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| 03:31.33 | adu | gggggg |
| 03:31.53 | adu | how u doing |
| 03:33.46 | adu | i have nokia n9 but i can not use the social network such as wazapp , wechat how i ca use that things |
| 03:34.34 | adu | Aard, |
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| 12:44.00 | aep | how can i run a python script as user? as root or devel i cant access the messages |
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| 12:47.35 | sledges | aep: python script.py |
| 12:48.01 | aep | user 'user' |
| 12:48.08 | aep | the ssh login is for developer |
| 12:48.56 | sledges | su user |
| 12:48.57 | sledges | ? |
| 12:49.01 | sledges | or devel-su user |
| 12:49.04 | sledges | just speculating |
| 12:49.38 | aep | ~ # su user |
| 12:49.40 | aep | su: can't set groups: Operation not permitted |
| 12:49.49 | aep | oh devel-su worked |
| 12:49.51 | aep | thanks |
| 12:49.59 | sledges | good, have fun! |
| 12:53.47 | aep | hm |
| 12:53.55 | aep | QMessageFilter.byType(QMessage.Sms) returns nothing |
| 12:57.32 | aep | actually using any type filter makes the result empty |
| 12:58.52 | sledges | and without filter results non-empty? |
| 12:59.07 | aep | yeah |
| 12:59.28 | aep | using this : |
| 12:59.30 | sledges | has no speculations on that one :) |
| 12:59.31 | aep | https://qt.gitorious.org/pyside/pyside-examples/source/7bd95037f7fa0bc3dd679d87a89d6f5748bd9224:mobility/messaging/querymessages.py |
| 12:59.44 | aep | QMessageFilter.byStatus works but not QMessageFilter.byType |
| 13:00.42 | sledges | thp: ^ |
| 13:01.16 | aep | but all of the ones i get returned are QtMobility.Messaging.QtMobility.QMessage.Type.Email |
| 13:01.29 | aep | so i guess i simply cant access sms at all through qtmobility? |
| 13:04.39 | thp | aep: try with C++ QtMobility APIs for comparison, could very well be that the PySide bindings for these parts of QtMobility are not fully tested |
| 13:04.50 | thp | aep: also, aegis? |
| 13:05.02 | aep | damn, then i need to install that sdk beast |
| 13:05.22 | aep | this is a stock consumer phone with no hacks, so yeah, could be aegis in the way |
| 13:05.30 | aep | i dont know how to disable it |
| 13:05.47 | aep | all i really want is get the sms out there in plain text |
| 13:06.04 | thp | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_examples.html |
| 13:06.38 | aep | i dont really have an app. just running a script from the developer shell |
| 13:06.47 | aep | so i wouldnt know where to put that manifest |
| 13:07.07 | thp | https://github.com/harmattan/MeegoSMSBackupRestore |
| 13:07.28 | thp | this one seems to use libcommhistory |
| 13:07.42 | aep | yeah tried that, doesnt work |
| 13:07.50 | aep | just keeps spewing this to stderr: |
| 13:07.53 | aep | libqtcontacts-tracker: queue.cpp:104: The task queue's background thread stalled |
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| 13:25.25 | aep | eh, all of the sudden the thing works |
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| 17:13.47 | teleshoes | hey does anyone have a guess why GPS fix takes ~10 minutes for me? |
| 17:14.05 | teleshoes | in modrana and drive, etc |
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| 17:16.08 | deram | I've had the same speed when traveling and no data connection available.. cold starting gps taeks time to find the satelites and get a fix. with working internet connectivity the gps gets the location much faster |
| 17:16.11 | Custodian | probably you use nokia supl servers, change them to google ones |
| 17:16.24 | teleshoes | i use supl.google.com |
| 17:16.47 | teleshoes | i have nokia listed as secondary tho |
| 17:17.13 | teleshoes | what does SuplForced do in the config? |
| 17:17.17 | teleshoes | i have it set to true |
| 17:17.44 | teleshoes | also i have PrimarySuplOnlyGprs=false |
| 17:18.19 | Custodian | SuplForced=true always ask supl server for data |
| 17:18.28 | teleshoes | as opposed to? |
| 17:18.39 | teleshoes | never? only under circumstances: X? |
| 17:18.43 | Custodian | if you dont have concurrent internet connection, better leave as false |
| 17:18.54 | teleshoes | i do have internet connection tho |
| 17:19.04 | Custodian | dont know the alg here :/ |
| 17:19.09 | teleshoes | thx |
| 17:19.25 | Custodian | mine tuned as http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80287 |
| 17:19.26 | teleshoes | btw, thx deram, this confirms my suspicion that im only using real GPS and not AGPS or whatever |
| 17:19.44 | teleshoes | well, not 'confirms' per se, but does seem to suggest it |
| 17:20.07 | teleshoes | i have same config as you, thx |
| 17:20.22 | teleshoes | ill try turning off supl forced, sounds interesting |
| 17:38.54 | Malinux | how do I actually use vnc over usb in developer-mode? I mean the obvious part is to connect usb between the computer and the phone |
| 17:39.18 | Malinux | The not so obivous part is. When I choose over wifi, it's not a probem to connect, but that is slow. Through usb I can't connect |
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| 17:54.06 | Malinux | nver mind. I forgot to set my phone in sdk-mode when attaching the usb-cable... |
| 17:56.19 | teleshoes | you dont need to use sdk mode |
| 17:56.24 | teleshoes | you just need to ifconfig up usb0 |
| 17:56.49 | Malinux | ok |
| 17:56.57 | Malinux | is it faster? vnc is slow as a pain in the ..... |
| 17:57.04 | teleshoes | over usb? |
| 17:57.06 | teleshoes | yes |
| 17:57.13 | Malinux | yes. it's slow even through usb |
| 17:57.23 | Malinux | I was giving it a shot as I thought maybe it would be faster |
| 17:57.25 | teleshoes | what are you using? |
| 17:57.35 | teleshoes | are you using that net-vnc thing? |
| 17:57.41 | teleshoes | just use a regular vnc client |
| 17:57.42 | Malinux | Remmina in Ubuntu |
| 17:57.45 | teleshoes | remmina..? |
| 17:57.55 | teleshoes | isnt that for rdesktop? |
| 17:58.03 | Malinux | not only |
| 17:58.04 | teleshoes | k |
| 17:58.07 | teleshoes | im sure its fine |
| 17:58.18 | Malinux | okey, but it's slow |
| 17:58.18 | teleshoes | but you MIGHT wanna try using tightvnc or something |
| 17:58.23 | Malinux | ok |
| 17:58.26 | teleshoes | just to see if maybe its your client |
| 17:58.32 | teleshoes | coz its ok for me |
| 17:58.33 | Malinux | smart |
| 18:00.07 | teleshoes | i use 'TightVNC Viewer version 1.3.9' |
| 18:00.11 | Malinux | hm. I installed a package called tightvnc-java, that's the closest I could find |
| 18:00.20 | Malinux | and I can't even find it after it's installed |
| 18:00.26 | Malinux | maybe wrong package |
| 18:00.27 | teleshoes | xtightvncviewer |
| 18:00.34 | teleshoes | is the debian pkg i think |
| 18:00.40 | teleshoes | dpkg -S vncviewer |
| 18:00.43 | Malinux | ah, it's not in ubutu-repo |
| 18:00.46 | teleshoes | no? |
| 18:00.48 | teleshoes | thats a shame |
| 18:00.49 | Malinux | I think, or I could check first |
| 18:01.03 | Malinux | I will not conlude before I have checked the command |
| 18:01.15 | teleshoes | also there are things you can tweak |
| 18:01.18 | Malinux | sorry for not pastebin |
| 18:01.19 | teleshoes | like compression or something |
| 18:01.23 | Malinux | dpkg -S vncviewer |
| 18:01.23 | Malinux | app-install-data: /usr/share/app-install/icons/_usr_share_gtkvncviewer_data_gtkvncviewer_64.png |
| 18:01.23 | Malinux | app-install-data: /usr/share/app-install/desktop/gtkvncviewer:data__gtkvncviewer.desktop |
| 18:01.23 | Malinux | bash-completion: /etc/bash_completion.d/vncviewer |
| 18:01.26 | teleshoes | ugh |
| 18:01.28 | teleshoes | pastebin |
| 18:01.32 | Malinux | do'h |
| 18:01.35 | Malinux | I forgot to grep |
| 18:01.51 | Malinux | the | Status returns nothing |
| 18:01.52 | teleshoes | yea, no, its not there |
| 18:01.58 | Malinux | no... |
| 18:02.03 | Malinux | so that's sad |
| 18:02.11 | Malinux | I think it was there earlier |
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| 18:02.31 | teleshoes | mine is http://debian.mirror.constant.com/debian/ unstable/main amd64 |
| 18:02.49 | teleshoes | {i use sid, and you should too!} |
| 18:03.06 | teleshoes | {those crazy canonicals are going to die of NIH disease and kill us all} |
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| 18:03.51 | teleshoes | anyway, try switching clients |
| 18:04.35 | Malinux | teleshoes: :p |
| 18:04.58 | Malinux | I stick with Ubuntu as I love unity, but if it is possible to install unity on Debian, I can think it over |
| 18:06.18 | teleshoes | ughhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:06.49 | Malinux | yeah. It makes workflow faster |
| 18:07.38 | teleshoes | faster than cutting off your hands |
| 18:07.57 | teleshoes | faster than not having a computer |
| 18:08.25 | teleshoes | seriously, though, try cinnamon out |
| 18:08.51 | teleshoes | i hate all "desktop environments", but some are worse than others |
| 18:10.21 | Malinux | :) |
| 18:10.32 | Malinux | does it contain a search-lense? |
| 18:10.51 | teleshoes | if im not mistaken, thats a program, not a DE feature |
| 18:10.56 | teleshoes | wait, whats a search-lens |
| 18:11.33 | teleshoes | i thought you meant an animated magnifier lens, which would be part of the compositor |
| 18:12.31 | Malinux | search lens searches for different things. You can search for files through it, video and whatever there is an search-scope installed for |
| 18:12.42 | teleshoes | *shudders* |
| 18:12.47 | Malinux | and the other thing I love about Unity is the HUD, Head Up Display |
| 18:13.01 | teleshoes | the system bar? |
| 18:14.02 | teleshoes | oh, its a transparent overlay ui |
| 18:14.32 | teleshoes | isnt that like a per-program feature? |
| 18:14.33 | mgedmin | the thing where you hit alt and get a type-ahead search in all the menu items of the current app, afair |
| 18:14.50 | teleshoes | ah, its an app menubar replacement |
| 18:15.00 | Malinux | teleshoes: here is a demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sr3XjqXAqc |
| 18:15.15 | Malinux | mgedmin: that's right |
| 18:15.30 | teleshoes | thx |
| 18:15.49 | Malinux | in my opinion HUD is on of the greatest thing who have happend after the first window-based os came |
| 18:16.07 | teleshoes | its really poorly named |
| 18:16.12 | Malinux | sure |
| 18:16.15 | teleshoes | HUDs are typically omnipresent |
| 18:16.23 | teleshoes | not summoned up |
| 18:16.30 | Malinux | anyhow, here is a demo on HUD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WW-DHqR3c |
| 18:16.38 | Malinux | They could indeed have choosen a better name |
| 18:17.16 | teleshoes | that looks useful for navigating gui menus |
| 18:17.24 | teleshoes | hopefully its a standalone app |
| 18:19.07 | mgedmin | it's part of the desktop shell, afaiu |
| 18:19.21 | Malinux | this is the harmattan channel :) I wonder. Is there a backup-tool as in Maemo? What I think of is the ability to backup apps. So They will be installed after a reflash or something |
| 18:19.21 | teleshoes | mm, i changed my mind already anyway |
| 18:19.27 | Malinux | mgedmin: yes, it's very useful |
| 18:19.27 | mgedmin | do they still ship unity as a compiz plugin in current versions of ubuntu? |
| 18:19.38 | Malinux | not sure in 13.10 |
| 18:19.46 | Malinux | but I run 12.04 because it's a lts |
| 18:19.58 | teleshoes | i thought hud was new in 13.04 |
| 18:20.06 | mgedmin | backup tool? yes, the N9 came with one |
| 18:20.15 | mgedmin | I don't remember if it backs up installed apps |
| 18:20.27 | Malinux | mgedmin: so the backup I took with the built-inn backuptool takes backups of the apps as well? |
| 18:20.41 | mgedmin | it backs up app data, I'm sure |
| 18:20.47 | mgedmin | let me take a look |
| 18:20.51 | Malinux | HUD came in Ubuntu 11.04 I think. It came with Unity |
| 18:20.56 | teleshoes | k |
| 18:21.05 | mgedmin | it backs up apt repos you've added |
| 18:21.13 | mgedmin | it backs up the list of installed packages |
| 18:21.15 | teleshoes | it backs up the list |
| 18:21.18 | teleshoes | xyea |
| 18:21.31 | teleshoes | you can backup /var/cache/apt |
| 18:22.26 | teleshoes | i have an extremely eccentric automatic backup/restore system |
| 18:23.16 | teleshoes | when i restore, it automatically, without human intervention, enables dev mode, installs an openmode kernel, installs all my apps, restores my SMS and call history, wifi networks, launcher button order, etc |
| 18:24.31 | Malinux | mgedmin: nice. then i don't need to worry about that. I had to reflash my N9 last night or so, because I somehow made it uninstall the entire harmattan-gui-package :S |
| 18:24.46 | Malinux | before it went toast, even the keyboard was unistalled :p |
| 18:24.57 | teleshoes | its fine to remove mp-harmattan |
| 18:24.58 | mgedmin | sounds like fun :) |
| 18:25.03 | teleshoes | as long as you dont auto-remove afterwards |
| 18:25.21 | teleshoes | i remove it as part of my automatic reinstall, and then i have a script which marks all its dependencies as manually installed |
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| 18:25.59 | teleshoes | what you did to toast it was remove twitter or facebook or something, right? |
| 18:27.26 | teleshoes | here is my bizarre backup/restore machine: https://github.com/teleshoes/n9-config |
| 18:31.22 | Malinux | well. I went nervous when It happend, and special when the flasher didn't recognise the phone at first |
| 18:32.21 | Malinux | teleshoes: no. I tried to intsall profiler-something, but I think it was wrong package, the program I tried to install was profile matic |
| 18:32.22 | teleshoes | that is normal |
| 18:32.28 | teleshoes | ah |
| 18:32.28 | teleshoes | i see |
| 18:32.32 | Malinux | but it failed in openrepos-app |
| 18:32.50 | Malinux | and I tried a packge with a name close in terminal thinkig it maybe was the right app |
| 18:33.09 | teleshoes | you should always look at the "the following packages will be REMOVED" warning |
| 18:33.38 | Malinux | and then the terminal showed a looong list of apps it said I could remove with apt-get autoremove. I dindn't made it do that through the terminal I exited the terminal then |
| 18:33.39 | teleshoes | obvious in retrospect, im sure, but i mean you shouldnt be afraid to try to install things in future |
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| 18:33.54 | Malinux | and tried to install the profile matic from the openrepo-app instead |
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| 18:34.15 | teleshoes | you should probably always use the terminal, so you can see what its going to do |
| 18:34.17 | Malinux | and then I understud fishyu things happend, |
| 18:34.22 | Malinux | teleshoes: shure |
| 18:34.35 | Malinux | anyhow. In retrospect I see I have used the oldest versjon of openrepo-app |
| 18:34.39 | teleshoes | oh man theres an openrepos app? |
| 18:34.54 | Malinux | after installing the newest I have not getting problems installing apps from the openrepos app |
| 18:34.57 | Malinux | teleshoes: yes there is :) |
| 18:35.16 | teleshoes | thats exciting news, now all the people asking how to set up a repo can stop asking over and over in every thread announcing a new project |
| 18:35.20 | Malinux | https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse |
| 18:35.33 | teleshoes | cooooool |
| 18:35.35 | Malinux | yes, I was one of those who asked how to add the entire repo |
| 18:35.44 | Malinux | and the answer was a link to that app |
| 18:35.55 | Malinux | I don't know why it is organized under social network |
| 18:36.06 | teleshoes | because thats EXACTLY what it is |
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| 18:36.09 | Malinux | Remember to install the newest version and not 0.0.8, as I did first :p |
| 18:36.13 | teleshoes | entire repo wouldnt really make sense |
| 18:36.16 | Malinux | is it? |
| 18:36.20 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:36.25 | teleshoes | because of conflicts with developer's repos |
| 18:36.33 | teleshoes | this app talks between different developers repositories |
| 18:36.39 | Malinux | there is a way to add dev-repos within the app |
| 18:36.45 | Malinux | it does |
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| 18:37.00 | teleshoes | thats the social networking part |
| 18:37.12 | teleshoes | and in fact, thats the important part, the thing you were missing |
| 18:37.13 | Malinux | oh my gooood. there is even an even newer version out now :D |
| 18:37.20 | teleshoes | heh |
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| 18:37.34 | Malinux | ah |
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| 18:39.11 | Malinux | the easiest way to use terminal on N9 is through ssh because of the lack of physical keyboard |
| 18:39.20 | teleshoes | ya |
| 18:39.42 | teleshoes | you can help make swype your terminal friend |
| 18:39.48 | teleshoes | by adding ifconfig and apt-get as words |
| 18:40.00 | Malinux | I have an N900 too, but that's one is a used one. My original N900 became broken because the usb lost contact with the motherboard |
| 18:40.06 | teleshoes | if swype was frickin opensource, id have tied in bash completion |
| 18:40.11 | Malinux | aha |
| 18:40.38 | Malinux | I have added completion to my N9, but it dosen't work with apt-get <and whatever after> |
| 18:40.54 | teleshoes | mm |
| 18:40.57 | Malinux | I got my N9 as a swap-phone for my N900 |
| 18:41.04 | teleshoes | hah, my n9 broke a few months ago, and while i was waiting to replace it, i used my old n900 |
| 18:41.10 | teleshoes | and i wondered why the hell i ever stopped |
| 18:41.11 | Malinux | :) |
| 18:41.18 | Malinux | I wonder too :p |
| 18:41.22 | teleshoes | the answer, of course, is that its slow |
| 18:41.29 | teleshoes | thats it though |
| 18:41.30 | Malinux | I have a N900 in the closet. i think I will fix it up someday |
| 18:41.40 | teleshoes | neo900! |
| 18:41.43 | Malinux | yeah, that's what i have never like about N900. It's always being so slow |
| 18:41.44 | teleshoes | youve heard, yes? |
| 18:41.59 | Malinux | I heard? |
| 18:42.08 | teleshoes | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
| 18:42.09 | Malinux | *never liked |
| 18:42.10 | teleshoes | neo900 |
| 18:42.19 | Malinux | what is a neo900? |
| 18:42.22 | teleshoes | ahh |
| 18:42.41 | Malinux | a new phone?! |
| 18:42.42 | teleshoes | its essentially an n900 board upgrade |
| 18:42.44 | Malinux | seriosly? |
| 18:42.47 | Malinux | ah |
| 18:42.50 | Malinux | oh |
| 18:43.04 | teleshoes | it will probably be everything youve ever hoped and dreamed |
| 18:43.29 | Malinux | wow |
| 18:43.36 | teleshoes | 1GB of ram, 1ghz cpu |
| 18:43.49 | Malinux | hm, I have a N900-screen somewhere too, but I didn't needed it, as it was fixed by garntee then |
| 18:43.54 | Malinux | hm, that cool |
| 18:44.29 | teleshoes | its still in pre-pre-production as some large hardware questions are still being explored |
| 18:44.58 | teleshoes | but if you would want what they describe at the projected price point {700euros}, vote! |
| 18:45.50 | Malinux | so it's 700€ for the motherboard? |
| 18:46.01 | teleshoes | no, more like 550 for the board |
| 18:46.04 | teleshoes | 700 for the full phone |
| 18:46.06 | Malinux | ah |
| 18:46.09 | teleshoes | those are best estimates |
| 18:46.21 | Malinux | what will the phone look like? |
| 18:46.27 | teleshoes | == n900 |
| 18:46.34 | teleshoes | same case, screen, etc |
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| 18:47.11 | Malinux | and if they are going to make a brand new phone too and a motherboard upgade for N900's I think it's strange they will have a resistive screen |
| 18:47.18 | Malinux | okey |
| 18:47.36 | teleshoes | {please dont bother mentioning that on the forum, its been discussed to death} |
| 18:48.04 | teleshoes | {the plan is pretty solidly in place, with only highly technical research questions left} |
| 18:48.06 | Malinux | I see. What is the reasons? |
| 18:48.18 | teleshoes | economics, mostly |
| 18:48.18 | Malinux | price? possibility |
| 18:48.21 | Malinux | I see |
| 18:48.46 | Malinux | I have even thinked about find a replacement-screen with a more modern touchscreen |
| 18:48.51 | Malinux | but havent found anyone |
| 18:48.55 | teleshoes | i dont think one exists |
| 18:48.59 | Malinux | I see |
| 18:49.00 | teleshoes | or really can exist |
| 18:49.16 | teleshoes | honestly, i would much rather have a resistive screen |
| 18:49.44 | Malinux | there are benefits with both |
| 18:49.51 | teleshoes | n9 screen drives me crazy with inaccuracies, especially when connected to a high-interference charger |
| 18:49.53 | Malinux | I like the pen I can point with |
| 18:49.56 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:50.20 | Malinux | yes. inaccuracies is a pain too |
| 18:50.30 | Malinux | will it not support multitouch? |
| 18:50.37 | teleshoes | of course not |
| 18:50.43 | teleshoes | it will be the same as the n900 |
| 18:50.51 | Malinux | okey |
| 18:50.57 | Malinux | but this is true |
| 18:51.00 | Malinux | Finally the first true successor to the N900. |
| 18:51.05 | teleshoes | yep |
| 18:51.06 | Malinux | according to their homepage |
| 18:51.08 | teleshoes | it will be n900++ |
| 18:51.22 | teleshoes | i saw literally nothing that wasnt better than the n900 |
| 18:51.23 | mf2hd | 21:39:33 <@zzzub> ttu mikä aivopieru, suolijärvellä on avanto ja lämmitetty pukukoppi, fillarilla vaan |
| 18:51.26 | mf2hd | 21:39:45 <@mf2hd> jaajaa |
| 18:51.28 | mf2hd | 21:40:13 <@zzzub> + teki mieli vetokoukkua |
| 18:51.30 | teleshoes | those are words i think |
| 18:51.31 | mf2hd | 21:40:22 <@zzzub> se avaisi mahdollisuuksia... :) |
| 18:51.33 | mf2hd | 21:40:44 <@mf2hd> ostetaa kimppapaku retkeilyautoks :P |
| 18:51.36 | mf2hd | 21:41:34 <@mf2hd> ei vaa, kyl mä tarvin oman |
| 18:51.38 | mf2hd | 21:39:33 <@zzzub> ttu mikä aivopieru, suolijärvellä on avanto ja lämmitetty |
| 18:51.41 | mf2hd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.41 | Malinux | when talking about N900. Is it possible to get a nordic keyboard as sparepart somewhere? |
| 18:51.43 | mf2hd | 21:39:45 <@mf2hd> jaajaa |
| 18:51.46 | mf2hd | 21:40:13 <@zzzub> + teki mieli vetokoukkua |
| 18:51.48 | mf2hd | 21:40:22 <@zzzub> se avaisi mahdollisuuksia... :) |
| 18:51.51 | mf2hd | 21:40:44 <@mf2hd> ostetaa kimppapaku retkeilyautoks :P |
| 18:51.53 | mf2hd | 21:41:34 <@mf2hd> ei vaa, kyl mä tarvin oman |
| 18:51.56 | mf2hd | 21:39:33 <@zzzub> ttu mikä aivopieru, suolijärvellä on avanto ja lämmitetty |
| 18:51.58 | mf2hd | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.59 | teleshoes | no idea, but i think its unlikely |
| 18:52.01 | mf2hd | 21:39:45 <@mf2hd> jaajaa |
| 18:52.03 | mf2hd | 21:40:13 <@zzzub> + teki mieli vetokoukkua |
| 18:52.06 | mf2hd | 21:40:22 <@zzzub> se avaisi mahdollisuuksia... :) |
| 18:52.08 | Malinux | The one I got from ebay (because the one I owned was taken and a N9 came back) has a uk-keyboard or so |
| 18:52.08 | mf2hd | 21:40:44 <@mf2hd> ostetaa kimppapaku retkeilyautoks :P |
| 18:52.11 | mf2hd | 21:41:34 <@mf2hd> ei vaa, kyl mä tarvin oman |
| 18:52.13 | mf2hd | oops |
| 18:52.16 | mf2hd | mispaste |
| 18:52.18 | mf2hd | sorry |
| 18:52.21 | mf2hd | putty :/ |
| 18:52.32 | teleshoes | thank god |
| 18:53.02 | Malinux | mf2hd: ah. that's happens |
| 18:53.35 | Malinux | EI SAA PEITTÃÃ |
| 18:54.20 | Malinux | it's written all over electric ovens. Do Not Cover is the English word I think |
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| 18:57.21 | Malinux | I have a lot of questions about N9, or at least, a new one. How do I get rid of this messages when running apt-get ? |
| 18:57.21 | Malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296598/ |
| 18:59.17 | teleshoes | no idea, except its obviously a language config issue; try setting those env variables to other things |
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| 19:01.23 | teleshoes | particularly, try adding "LC_ALL=nb_NO.UTF-8" |
| 19:01.53 | hahlo | got error "recovering from update do not interrupt" it went to 100% but boot stuck to nokia logo |
| 19:03.01 | teleshoes | {use ubiboot to recover you documents tracker db and such, and reflash?} |
| 19:03.25 | hahlo | ok thanks |
| 19:08.49 | teleshoes | {note that tracker-db is where all your text messages and calls and such are} |
| 19:09.42 | hahlo | I see ok thanks |
| 19:12.12 | Malinux | teleshoes: you mean I should add the "LC_ALL=nb_NO.UTF8" where? |
| 19:12.26 | Malinux | is it possible to just put export in fromt of it? |
| 19:12.30 | teleshoes | either /etc/environment or to export |
| 19:12.35 | Malinux | oki |
| 19:12.38 | teleshoes | LC_ALL=nb_NO.UTF8 apt-get install |
| 19:12.40 | teleshoes | try that out |
| 19:12.46 | Malinux | on one command? |
| 19:13.05 | teleshoes | if it works, stick it in /etc/environment, or .profile, or .bashrc, or wherever you like |
| 19:13.11 | Malinux | ah, smart :) |
| 19:13.21 | teleshoes | LC_ALL=nb_NO.UTF8 apt-get install modrana |
| 19:13.34 | teleshoes | as if you havent already installed modrana.. |
| 19:14.07 | Malinux | couldn't find package modrana |
| 19:14.24 | teleshoes | https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana |
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| 19:14.57 | Malinux | hm, problem is. to install, I have to enable it's repository first |
| 19:15.02 | teleshoes | ya |
| 19:15.12 | Malinux | that's pretty much why I would have all repos actually available |
| 19:15.31 | teleshoes | except what if i add a modrana to mine |
| 19:15.44 | teleshoes | which one to choose |
| 19:15.48 | Malinux | hm |
| 19:16.07 | teleshoes | what if i depend on an existing version of some library in his repo |
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| 19:16.18 | teleshoes | but then a newer lib comes out |
| 19:16.23 | Malinux | mhm |
| 19:16.33 | teleshoes | its impossible to reconcile automatically |
| 19:16.41 | Malinux | I see |
| 19:16.59 | Malinux | I can try the package nano, ho is not installed |
| 19:17.09 | teleshoes | best remove it when youre done |
| 19:17.25 | teleshoes | wouldnt want hipsters to think youre lame |
| 19:17.28 | Malinux | nano works, but the message still presist |
| 19:17.49 | teleshoes | also do LANGUAGE= |
| 19:17.54 | Malinux | I was lame and used nano before, because vim made me agressive as I understood nothing at all |
| 19:18.11 | Malinux | ah, yeas, that's unset, so it's not actually the same command :) |
| 19:18.22 | teleshoes | hmm? |
| 19:18.51 | teleshoes | vim requires a conscious investment of time |
| 19:19.04 | Malinux | so I need to do a LANGUAGE="en_US" LC_ALL="nb_NO.UTF8" apt-get install <packaga> ? |
| 19:19.19 | teleshoes | maybe? |
| 19:19.20 | Malinux | teleshoes: indeed, but I now understand the basics, and then I use it |
| 19:19.21 | teleshoes | try different things |
| 19:19.23 | Malinux | I can try |
| 19:20.38 | teleshoes | vim and emacs are definitely the only reasonable text editors on earth |
| 19:21.02 | Malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296741/ |
| 19:21.25 | teleshoes | try setting it all to nb_NO.UTF8 |
| 19:21.29 | teleshoes | and then to en_US |
| 19:21.53 | teleshoes | and then combinations |
| 19:22.04 | teleshoes | maybe there's a nordic lang pack youre missing? |
| 19:22.24 | Malinux | maybe |
| 19:22.25 | Malinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.34 | Malinux | I have to eat a little, so I'll be back later :) |
| 19:22.46 | teleshoes | be careful, eating is tricky |
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| 20:18.57 | Malinux | what's the command for starting the warehouse-app from terminal? I can't get it to start gui-way after ugprading to 0.1.2 |
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| 20:34.26 | valdur55 | Malinux: /opt/waterhouse/.... |
| 20:35.25 | Malinux | ah, there it is :D thanx |
| 20:36.15 | Malinux | it started from terminal, but GUI |
| 20:36.33 | Custodian | whats the problem after upgrading to 0.1.2? |
| 20:36.43 | Malinux | it won't start from program icon |
| 20:36.56 | Custodian | just shows nothing? |
| 20:37.11 | Malinux | it shows startupscreen, then it dissapear and probebly crash |
| 20:37.50 | Malinux | it shows for a long time |
| 20:37.56 | Malinux | there. then it crashed |
| 20:38.15 | Custodian | and starting from terminal is fine? |
| 20:38.17 | Malinux | it startes from terminal, so I can't find errormessages |
| 20:38.19 | Malinux | yes |
| 20:38.23 | Custodian | under the user |
| 20:38.24 | Custodian | ? |
| 20:39.04 | Malinux | yes, I started it as user through ssh |
| 20:39.16 | Malinux | not root |
| 20:39.24 | Custodian | are you sure that it is user, not developer ? |
| 20:39.42 | Malinux | I login with ssh user@<ipadress> |
| 20:39.45 | Malinux | so that's the user |
| 20:40.02 | Malinux | I have a $ on the prompt and not the # |
| 20:40.26 | Custodian | try to start not like /opt/warehouse... but 'xdg-open openrepos://client/start' |
| 20:43.57 | Malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297171/ |
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| 20:48.02 | Custodian | run "grep openrepos /usr/share/applications/defaults.list" |
| 20:48.52 | Custodian | 4 lines? |
| 20:49.19 | Malinux | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297199/ |
| 20:49.29 | Malinux | ah yes, 4 lines |
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| 20:57.30 | teleshoes | quick! |
| 20:57.37 | teleshoes | someone tell me something bad about jolla |
| 20:57.42 | teleshoes | before i die from longing |
| 20:57.53 | teleshoes | anything! |
| 20:59.36 | Malinux | it has not a physical keyboard |
| 20:59.46 | teleshoes | very very probably false |
| 20:59.47 | Custodian | huge problem with entire repo is that you have to redownload packages list after *any* package added/removed. thats huge traffic and battery drain |
| 21:00.03 | Malinux | teleshoes: I know. maybe another half could be an attachable keybord |
| 21:00.11 | teleshoes | more than maybe, it certainly can |
| 21:00.18 | teleshoes | i2c with dedicated int |
| 21:00.45 | teleshoes | the only question is whether jolla will make an official one, or we'll have to make due with whatever enthusiasts make |
| 21:01.45 | teleshoes | im pretty sure there is absolutely nothing about it that is worse than n9 |
| 21:02.02 | teleshoes | except its hideous |
| 21:02.04 | teleshoes | forgot that |
| 21:02.05 | teleshoes | its hideous |
| 21:02.17 | teleshoes | i think everyone but me likes the design |
| 21:02.36 | teleshoes | i see it and think: 1) andes candies! 2) oh god thats a phone? |
| 21:02.43 | Custodian | i dont like transparent fuzzy background |
| 21:02.57 | teleshoes | transparent....fuzzy... |
| 21:04.55 | teleshoes | oh yea! |
| 21:05.00 | Custodian | here it looks okay: https://sailfishos.org/images/Device_icon.png and here it does not: http://goo.gl/tXZHSQ |
| 21:05.04 | teleshoes | i just remembered the Bad THing About Jolla |
| 21:05.14 | Custodian | it looks like i'm blinded and cannot read anything |
| 21:05.21 | teleshoes | ah, yea, that it bad |
| 21:05.47 | teleshoes | but i mean, thats obviously just aesthetics. im sure it will be extremely configurable |
| 21:05.57 | teleshoes | preferably with a style sheet like n9 |
| 21:06.00 | Custodian | ;) |
| 21:06.12 | teleshoes | anyway, the Bad Thing is no oled |
| 21:06.21 | teleshoes | and thus no LPS |
| 21:06.29 | teleshoes | which is easily my favorite n9 feature |
| 21:07.14 | teleshoes | hah, i want a 16x2 character LCD on the front of my phone |
| 21:07.23 | teleshoes | wouldnt that be awesome |
| 21:07.41 | teleshoes | use essentially no power |
| 21:07.44 | Aard | teleshoes: would back work as well? :p |
| 21:07.47 | Custodian | i guess sailfish will be ported to n9 as pr1.4 :-D |
| 21:07.58 | teleshoes | aard, what? |
| 21:08.20 | Aard | teleshoes: the lcd on the back of the phone. would work on TOH via i2c ;) |
| 21:08.32 | teleshoes | oh snap |
| 21:10.12 | teleshoes | thats brilliant man |
| 21:11.56 | Eztran | Besides a keyboard, you've just basically described the first OH I'd really want. |
| 21:21.07 | Eztran | Custodian: just had exactly the same problem with Warehouse that Malinux did up a bit. May have missed the end of the conversation though due to disconnect. Any ideas? |
| 21:21.41 | Malinux | Eztran: Custodian helped me on a pm |
| 21:21.43 | Custodian | do you have "installation from uncertified sources" enabled? |
| 21:22.04 | Eztran | Yep, Warehouse also worked until latest update. |
| 21:22.17 | Custodian | you should not install as root. apt-get remove warehouse, and install downloaded deb. |
| 21:22.53 | Eztran | Ah, phone did the update itself. OK, thanks. |
| 21:29.29 | teleshoes | man this sucks |
| 21:29.33 | teleshoes | now i want a TOH that wont exist |
| 21:29.54 | teleshoes | combination kb/lcd |
| 21:29.59 | Aard | teleshoes: don't underestimate the chinese :p |
| 21:30.28 | teleshoes | heh |
| 21:30.29 | teleshoes | i was looking forward to this project tho |
| 21:30.31 | teleshoes | i was all like |
| 21:30.36 | teleshoes | im going to get an arduino |
| 21:30.53 | teleshoes | design an i2c gpo circuit thingie |
| 21:31.01 | teleshoes | 3dprint a case |
| 21:31.03 | teleshoes | and blammo |
| 21:31.16 | teleshoes | and then i remembered my TOH will be a keyboard, obviously, forever |
| 21:32.44 | Eztran | That does kinda ruin the fun a bit. |
| 21:33.05 | teleshoes | yea, i just realized that i dont get to have a TOH |
| 21:33.23 | teleshoes | and neither does anybody else who thinks that mobile computers are better than smart phones |
| 21:35.05 | Eztran | The Jolla device looks designed to be a smartphone to me, really. But then, so was the N9, and that didn't work out too badly. (also, this is probably the wrong channel for this, but it's silent anyway) |
| 21:35.55 | teleshoes | mm, i personally pollute the crap out of this channel all the time |
| 21:36.18 | teleshoes | n9 is a shitty mobile computer |
| 21:36.55 | teleshoes | hwkb and removable storage are absolutely essential |
| 21:37.20 | teleshoes | my n9 flash gets so much wear everytime i reflash and recopy my 46GB music library |
| 21:37.53 | Eztran | Yeah... hadn't thought about the second too much, but it's a fair point. With all the formatting, backup-ing, copying, etc., they get... |
| 21:38.21 | teleshoes | im sure mine wont last more than a coupla years |
| 21:38.32 | Eztran | Guessing you're going for a 64GB card in the Jolla then, with that collection ;) |
| 21:39.36 | teleshoes | i have a few already |
| 21:39.51 | teleshoes | in my n900 |
| 21:39.53 | teleshoes | in my raspi |
| 21:40.07 | teleshoes | and in my other raspi |
| 21:40.58 | Eztran | Huh, they've got pretty cheap now, apparently. Even decent ones. |
| 21:41.16 | teleshoes | mm |
| 21:41.20 | teleshoes | my first cost $150 |
| 21:41.44 | Eztran | Ouch. |
| 21:42.01 | teleshoes | this was way back when |
| 21:42.24 | teleshoes | it was for my n900; my music lib had just outgrown it and i was panicking |
| 21:42.49 | teleshoes | i waited 4 months after the release and could wait no longer |
| 21:43.04 | Eztran | You could always not copy your whole collection onto the device? |
| 21:43.18 | teleshoes | hah i already dont |
| 21:43.23 | teleshoes | this is just the essential core |
| 21:43.43 | teleshoes | wolke:~/Desktop/Music$ du -hs . |
| 21:43.43 | teleshoes | 260G. |
| 21:43.53 | Eztran | Oh, you've got one of 'those' collections. Also, 46GB is essential!? |
| 21:44.32 | teleshoes | its the top 25% of my music library |
| 21:44.37 | Eztran | I can only guess you listen to music a fair bit. |
| 21:44.47 | teleshoes | more or less all the time |
| 21:44.58 | teleshoes | but thats not it, really |
| 21:45.09 | Eztran | Ah. Would help to have some variety, then. What format's it in? |
| 21:45.25 | teleshoes | its more that my favorite song is a quantum superposition of my entire library |
| 21:45.34 | teleshoes | most of it is flac |
| 21:45.45 | teleshoes | but on the phone, gets converted to quality=6 oggs |
| 21:45.57 | teleshoes | vorbis i mean |
| 21:46.10 | teleshoes | about 15% is mp3 |
| 21:46.16 | Eztran | Heh, right. And FLAC would explain some of that monstrous size at least. Little bit overkill for mobile though, sure. |
| 21:46.23 | teleshoes | nono |
| 21:46.28 | teleshoes | i dont put FLACs on my phone |
| 21:46.41 | teleshoes | i convert them to ogg vorbis first |
| 21:47.16 | Eztran | Ah. I don't really like converting for stuff, but I can understand why with that massive pile of tunes. |
| 21:47.36 | teleshoes | well, i do it incrementally and in the background on my laptop |
| 21:48.15 | teleshoes | when i add an album or whatever, the music player thingie i wrote converts it to ogg in a mirrored directory structure |
| 21:48.27 | Eztran | Sure. To which you can say it's a good thing you have a decent phone, you can transfer stuff in far more useful ways than mass storage or whatever-the-manufacturer-wrote. |
| 21:48.37 | teleshoes | mm |
| 21:48.38 | teleshoes | rsync |
| 21:48.41 | teleshoes | over wifi |
| 21:48.42 | teleshoes | at night |
| 21:48.46 | teleshoes | every night |
| 21:48.49 | Eztran | Nice. |
| 21:49.44 | teleshoes | with flacs converted to oggs, my library is 148GB |
| 21:49.47 | teleshoes | instead of 260GB |
| 21:50.08 | teleshoes | so i guess 48GB is the essential 1/3 of my library, not 1/4 |
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| 21:50.14 | Eztran | Well, that's a bit more managable. You can see from the size it's still fairly high quality. |
| 21:50.30 | teleshoes | i personally cant hear the difference between FLAC and ogg quality=6 |
| 21:50.59 | teleshoes | quality=5 i totally can, but only with expensive headphones |
| 21:51.20 | Eztran | Well, there's kinda a cutoff where all of a sudden, ugh compression, I find. |
| 21:52.06 | Eztran | And badly compressed mp3 is one of those things you can't unhear. |
| 21:53.22 | teleshoes | 128kbps is tolerable in a noisy environment |
| 21:54.06 | teleshoes | my friend listens to 96kbps music in his car, and my eye twitches the whole time |
| 21:54.24 | teleshoes | mp3, i mean |
| 21:54.28 | Eztran | yeah, anything less is painful. Don't know how people even listen to 64kbps Internet radio stations. |
| 21:54.34 | teleshoes | vorbis is definitely higher quality even at low bitrates |
| 21:55.06 | teleshoes | 96kbps ogg vorbis is more like 128kbps mp3 |
| 21:55.06 | Eztran | I'm not sure if it's just 'cause I hate how mp3s compress, but yeah, noticed the same. |
| 21:55.53 | teleshoes | for myself, ive done some blind tests |
| 21:57.14 | teleshoes | generates a bunch of oggs and mp3s, with hidden filenames, from a source and arranged in order of quality |
| 21:57.43 | Eztran | About as scientific as you could want, I guess. Is that how you found the above? |
| 21:57.52 | teleshoes | yea |
| 21:59.11 | teleshoes | i ranked 96kbps-ogg above 128kbps-mp3 |
| 21:59.32 | teleshoes | so did my audiophile friend |
| 21:59.49 | Eztran | Assuming decent hardware, that's pretty definitive, then. |
| 22:00.13 | teleshoes | incase headphones |
| 22:00.18 | teleshoes | not the best in the world |
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| 22:02.24 | teleshoes | but they were definitely decent |
| 22:03.05 | teleshoes | i should re-do the test with v-modas |
| 22:03.18 | teleshoes | also not the best in the world, but definitely sufficient |
| 22:04.44 | teleshoes | i really should have done some controls though, like un-audiophile people, and repeating the tests with the files in the reverse order |
| 22:05.15 | teleshoes | the order was randomly generated, but still always in the same order |
| 22:05.19 | teleshoes | er, i mean, it was randomly generated once |
| 22:05.23 | teleshoes | and then used for everyone |
| 22:05.49 | Eztran | Yeah, like some audio player shuffles. |
| 22:06.00 | teleshoes | heh, my audio player does that |
| 22:06.03 | teleshoes | i like it that way |
| 22:06.13 | teleshoes | almost calvinist |
| 22:07.09 | teleshoes | i recently found out that my music player doesnt have hardware mp3 decoding |
| 22:07.15 | teleshoes | on the n9 |
| 22:08.52 | Eztran | Really? What player? |
| 22:09.16 | teleshoes | mine, its a weird eccentric thing called klomp |
| 22:09.40 | teleshoes | https://github.com/teleshoes/klomp |
| 22:10.02 | teleshoes | its chief feature is that it works on n900, n9, and desktop linux |
| 22:10.22 | teleshoes | and that i can do the tagging and metadata processing on the desktop |
| 22:10.28 | teleshoes | and share it with the phone |
| 22:10.34 | teleshoes | like itunes does with ipods |
| 22:10.57 | teleshoes | it also does that flac=>ogg thing i mentioned |
| 22:11.12 | teleshoes | it currently has a userbase of 3 |
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| 22:11.17 | teleshoes | afaik |
| 22:11.32 | Eztran | Ah, right, so the stuff you were talking about earlier's handled by the player. Pretty cool, then. Suppose the CLI thing can put users off, though :) |
| 22:12.24 | teleshoes | oh yea, its not for everybody |
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| 23:27.04 | Malinux | I asked last day about autocomplete in terminal when doing apt-get install and so on |
| 23:27.25 | Malinux | install n9 tweaks and start it, after bash-completion is available :) |
