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| 17:55.29 | teleshoes | hey i need a firmware pr1.3 > 006 |
| 17:55.32 | teleshoes | >= |
| 17:55.38 | teleshoes | anyone know where i could grab one? |
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| 17:58.51 | Lava_Croft | teleshoes: http://skeiron.org/firmware/N9/40.2012.21.3/ |
| 17:58.59 | teleshoes | hey man thx |
| 17:59.02 | teleshoes | uhh |
| 17:59.09 | teleshoes | they dont have the version strings in em |
| 17:59.16 | teleshoes | so i cant tell which to dl |
| 17:59.21 | Lava_Croft | look at your SIM door |
| 17:59.31 | teleshoes | i dont wanna install the localized fw |
| 17:59.35 | Lava_Croft | you want worldwide? |
| 17:59.37 | teleshoes | yea |
| 17:59.42 | Lava_Croft | you want 001 then |
| 17:59.43 | teleshoes | but its already localized on pr1.3 |
| 17:59.46 | teleshoes | cant do it |
| 17:59.48 | Lava_Croft | aaah |
| 17:59.50 | teleshoes | it came 'new' |
| 17:59.51 | Lava_Croft | >_< |
| 17:59.56 | teleshoes | but with 006 pr1.3 |
| 18:00.11 | Lava_Croft | bleh |
| 18:00.25 | teleshoes | yea, theyre dicks |
| 18:00.26 | Lava_Croft | i think its still not possible to go from 006 to 001, yeah :\ |
| 18:00.32 | teleshoes | course not |
| 18:00.42 | teleshoes | i think i remember someone having this problem |
| 18:00.45 | teleshoes | and finding an 009 |
| 18:00.48 | Lava_Croft | quite a few folks have had it |
| 18:00.49 | teleshoes | that was worldwide-ish |
| 18:01.02 | Lava_Croft | but yeah, these archives arent named handy in that regard |
| 18:01.08 | teleshoes | mm |
| 18:01.11 | Lava_Croft | you could try to find out which region 006 is |
| 18:01.16 | teleshoes | its uk |
| 18:01.24 | Lava_Croft | http://skeiron.org/firmware/N9/40.2012.21.3/059J186_RM-696%20NDT%20UK%20IRELAND%20BLACK%2064GB.tar.gz |
| 18:01.29 | Lava_Croft | uk ireland |
| 18:01.32 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:01.35 | teleshoes | but i dont wanna |
| 18:01.43 | Lava_Croft | why not? |
| 18:02.01 | teleshoes | i want a worldwide-ish fw |
| 18:02.08 | Lava_Croft | but why |
| 18:02.13 | Lava_Croft | apart from maybe 'gut feeling' |
| 18:02.19 | teleshoes | its mostly that |
| 18:02.28 | teleshoes | but its also the maps |
| 18:02.31 | teleshoes | and stuff |
| 18:02.37 | Lava_Croft | nokia maps? |
| 18:02.38 | teleshoes | oh wait, thats in the emmc img |
| 18:02.41 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 18:02.44 | teleshoes | right |
| 18:02.46 | Lava_Croft | you can just download the maps from within the Maps app |
| 18:02.59 | Lava_Croft | the 001 emmc image comes without maps |
| 18:03.01 | teleshoes | yea, the country-specific emmc images have pre-dl maps |
| 18:03.02 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:03.07 | teleshoes | i forgot i could still use 001 emmc |
| 18:03.18 | Lava_Croft | maps got updated recently too |
| 18:03.26 | Lava_Croft | the maps themselves |
| 18:03.27 | teleshoes | oh? |
| 18:03.30 | teleshoes | cool |
| 18:03.33 | teleshoes | didnt know |
| 18:03.59 | Lava_Croft | but for more technical stuff concerning what to flash and what would be best to flash, i cant help you |
| 18:04.14 | Lava_Croft | i would be content with a UK image, cant be THAT bad:) |
| 18:04.15 | teleshoes | thx anyway |
| 18:04.17 | Lava_Croft | no prob |
| 18:04.22 | teleshoes | yea, and at least it wont lock me in any further |
| 18:04.25 | Lava_Croft | aye |
| 18:04.27 | teleshoes | unlike trying out an 009 |
| 18:04.32 | Lava_Croft | indeed |
| 18:04.50 | teleshoes | oh wow skeiron's fast |
| 18:04.57 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 18:05.03 | teleshoes | 52mbps right now |
| 18:05.07 | Lava_Croft | It's a godly lifesaver of a mirror |
| 18:05.11 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:05.20 | teleshoes | there are a few personal repos im still missing |
| 18:05.22 | teleshoes | like martinks |
| 18:05.27 | Lava_Croft | there is openrepos these days |
| 18:05.30 | Lava_Croft | people might have moved there |
| 18:05.39 | Lava_Croft | http://openrepos.net/ |
| 18:05.42 | teleshoes | yea ive been meaning to check that out |
| 18:05.49 | teleshoes | some really cool ideas floating around over there |
| 18:05.55 | Lava_Croft | me too, but it wants you to make each user a seperate 'repo' |
| 18:06.01 | Lava_Croft | which is completely 'out there' |
| 18:06.03 | Lava_Croft | to put it mildly |
| 18:06.10 | teleshoes | oh is it? |
| 18:06.15 | teleshoes | that sounds reasonable to me |
| 18:06.17 | Lava_Croft | i rather have all shit in one big repo |
| 18:06.26 | teleshoes | well, that doesnt make sense |
| 18:06.42 | Lava_Croft | its easier for me |
| 18:06.43 | teleshoes | i mean, package dependencies would be impossible to manage |
| 18:06.56 | teleshoes | yea, but your safety is decreased |
| 18:07.00 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 18:07.04 | teleshoes | i mean safety from unstable packages |
| 18:07.12 | teleshoes | if each is in its own little bubble |
| 18:07.12 | Lava_Croft | yeah, but this is maemo we are talking about, not android |
| 18:07.28 | Lava_Croft | i know its a saner solution right now |
| 18:07.32 | Lava_Croft | but im a lazy dumb end user! |
| 18:07.52 | teleshoes | heh, package repos are not the most user-friendly thing |
| 18:08.14 | teleshoes | really, tho, the soln |
| 18:08.22 | teleshoes | is to just make finding and adding repos easy |
| 18:08.50 | teleshoes | you wanna install AppX, you should be able to do a repo lookup and auto-add from your phone |
| 18:09.22 | Lava_Croft | its a no-brainer to add a button to a website that adds a repo |
| 18:09.40 | teleshoes | well, assuming your app has root privs |
| 18:09.43 | teleshoes | then yea |
| 18:09.52 | teleshoes | but someone needs to write the on-phone client first |
| 18:10.18 | teleshoes | meanwhile, users that prefer to manage their repositories, making it so that some stay frozen how the developer had it, and some get updated weekly, or daily, etc |
| 18:10.19 | teleshoes | can do that |
| 18:10.58 | Lava_Croft | the maemo5 system of -devel -testing and extras is lovely |
| 18:10.58 | Lava_Croft | (if it works) |
| 18:10.58 | teleshoes | and dont have to worry about new dev work breaking their stable system by interacting with other repos they dont know |
| 18:11.11 | teleshoes | yea, but thats a collab effort with a centralized official body |
| 18:11.15 | Lava_Croft | well, devices like maemo devices will always break in the hands of certain users |
| 18:11.18 | teleshoes | doing package resolution and qa |
| 18:11.23 | teleshoes | mm |
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| 18:25.05 | teleshoes | ugh that DL has 001 in it |
| 18:25.12 | teleshoes | whoopsy |
| 18:29.13 | teleshoes | ugh, 006 is middle east, someone flashed the wrong image |
| 18:29.18 | teleshoes | new my ass |
| 18:29.51 | teleshoes | honestly looks new tho |
| 18:30.45 | Lava_Croft | what |
| 18:30.51 | Lava_Croft | oh no |
| 18:30.59 | Lava_Croft | that sucks |
| 18:31.06 | teleshoes | i wonder how come the default lang wasnt arabic |
| 18:31.37 | teleshoes | theres no sim card in it |
| 18:32.32 | Lava_Croft | maybe it wasnt as new as you thought |
| 18:32.38 | Lava_Croft | and he already poked at the settings? |
| 18:32.53 | teleshoes | yea, and then re-flashed the fw to make it so it looked like fresh boot |
| 18:33.22 | teleshoes | is there any way to look at battery cycle count/ |
| 18:33.53 | teleshoes | aint in bmestat |
| 18:34.23 | teleshoes | last full capacity is 1400 |
| 18:34.43 | teleshoes | so probably been poked around for a few hours, or had the battery replaced |
| 18:34.45 | teleshoes | s'ok i guess |
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| 18:59.40 | RzR | priviet e-yes_ |
| 19:00.09 | RzR | so what are you though on ubuntu phone ? |
| 19:00.58 | RzR | and http://mynokiablog.com/2012/07/20/video-firefox-os-b2g-running-on-nokia-n9/ |
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| 19:02.07 | teleshoes | {isnt ubuntu phone basically android, with a custom skin and a VM 'app' thats not quite ready?} |
| 19:02.41 | RzR | yes somehow that was i ask this to our android guru e-yes_ |
| 19:03.30 | teleshoes | {honestly asking, hoping it wasnt true} |
| 19:03.46 | Lava_Croft | ubuntified android |
| 19:04.12 | teleshoes | i dunno where to find reliable reports about it |
| 19:05.01 | teleshoes | i used to be an ubuntu man until canonical went all NIH |
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| 19:05.40 | Lava_Croft | it doesnt really arouse me in any way |
| 19:05.45 | Lava_Croft | their device is also ugly |
| 19:05.56 | teleshoes | heh, i think its nicer looking than jolla |
| 19:06.00 | Lava_Croft | i mean, n900 isnt a beauty, but it doesnt annoy me |
| 19:06.24 | teleshoes | jolla phones look like andies candies |
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| 19:06.35 | teleshoes | which are delicious! |
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| 19:06.37 | Lava_Croft | black cover and done |
| 19:06.40 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 19:07.01 | Lava_Croft | i like their design, love the modular look |
| 19:07.20 | teleshoes | => weird and gimmicky, imo |
| 19:07.25 | Lava_Croft | its not N9 though... |
| 19:07.36 | e-yes_ | RzR, salut |
| 19:07.41 | Lava_Croft | for now its gimmicky, yes |
| 19:07.55 | Lava_Croft | the future will have to prove them wrong about the other half |
| 19:08.01 | Lava_Croft | we right |
| 19:08.01 | teleshoes | what else could it be in future? |
| 19:08.02 | Lava_Croft | err |
| 19:08.11 | Lava_Croft | i mean right, not wrong |
| 19:08.35 | Lava_Croft | well, they might be able to do more than coloured covers |
| 19:09.02 | Lava_Croft | i and probably every other maemo user just wants a hardware keyboard:P |
| 19:09.07 | teleshoes | what, stick rfids in them and use them as unlock codes for non-libre software? |
| 19:09.09 | teleshoes | uhhh |
| 19:09.12 | e-yes_ | RzR, yes, there is a port of FF OS to N9 |
| 19:09.35 | teleshoes | {b2g was mostly unusable last i tried it} |
| 19:09.49 | teleshoes | {but considerable progress in short time} |
| 19:10.35 | teleshoes | jolla phone doesnt have a hw keyboard |
| 19:10.59 | teleshoes | having a removable back cover does not suggest that it ever will |
| 19:15.04 | Lava_Croft | hence the might |
| 19:15.35 | teleshoes | i dont follow, its just a piece of plastic |
| 19:15.42 | teleshoes | anyone could already make a good keyboard case |
| 19:15.53 | teleshoes | if they felt like it |
| 19:16.10 | Lava_Croft | except its market would be small |
| 19:16.11 | teleshoes | this wouldve been true with or without the super-special removable back cover |
| 19:16.16 | teleshoes | oh good point |
| 19:16.17 | Lava_Croft | so its not a wise choice |
| 19:16.29 | teleshoes | but jolla could ALSO have made its own in-house kb case |
| 19:16.32 | Lava_Croft | at least not for jolla, with their intentions |
| 19:16.38 | teleshoes | with or without the super-special removable back cover |
| 19:16.41 | Lava_Croft | they still *might* |
| 19:16.50 | Lava_Croft | but its a small company |
| 19:17.00 | Lava_Croft | its not nokia |
| 19:17.01 | teleshoes | my point is merely that the Other Half is completely unrelated to keyboards |
| 19:17.37 | teleshoes | although it may be relevant to a kb-case's marketing campaign |
| 19:19.42 | Lava_Croft | its completely relevant |
| 19:19.54 | Lava_Croft | the other half is kind of meant as an invitation to think a bit outside of the box |
| 19:20.05 | Lava_Croft | this is their 'first' implementation of their other half idea |
| 19:20.17 | teleshoes | meh ok |
| 19:20.43 | Lava_Croft | they just dont have the size/power/money/muscle to do more than this atm |
| 19:20.54 | Lava_Croft | its already quite a feat that they have this device incoming, given their short timeframe |
| 19:20.59 | Lava_Croft | they work faster than nokia:) |
| 19:21.19 | teleshoes | they have mer and everyone else who ever worked on meego |
| 19:21.22 | Lava_Croft | and im a sucker for maemo folk, a lot of the jolla people come from maemo/meego |
| 19:21.32 | teleshoes | and basically are everyone important from nokia |
| 19:21.32 | Lava_Croft | these are good folk, not PR bastards |
| 19:21.41 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 19:21.55 | Lava_Croft | basically, they have my trust |
| 19:22.08 | Lava_Croft | its worth nothing and could easily be proven wrong, of course:) |
| 19:22.14 | teleshoes | well, they dont quite have my trust |
| 19:22.17 | Lava_Croft | ive already been burned with 2 maemo devices |
| 19:22.20 | teleshoes | but they certainly have my money |
| 19:22.29 | Lava_Croft | third time's a charm, right |
| 19:22.32 | teleshoes | and will be receiving more of it any time they ask |
| 19:22.49 | Lava_Croft | so i hope this time i buy a maemo device that actually dies before its official support is ended |
| 19:22.55 | Lava_Croft | maemo/meego whatever |
| 19:23.02 | teleshoes | official shmofficial |
| 19:23.14 | Lava_Croft | my n900 went EOL before its 2y warranty ended |
| 19:23.31 | teleshoes | my n900 is still a champ |
| 19:23.36 | Lava_Croft | yup |
| 19:23.38 | teleshoes | love that thing to pieces |
| 19:23.42 | Lava_Croft | the n9's gathering dust again:< |
| 19:23.46 | teleshoes | like everyone else |
| 19:23.55 | teleshoes | n9 is so pretty |
| 19:23.58 | Lava_Croft | yes |
| 19:24.08 | teleshoes | plus n900 is rilly slo |
| 19:24.26 | Lava_Croft | running at 850mhz, its doable |
| 19:24.36 | Lava_Croft | worse is the fact that the world and its websites and apis change |
| 19:24.39 | teleshoes | i think i ran mine at 950 |
| 19:24.52 | teleshoes | with cssu and maemo community |
| 19:24.55 | Lava_Croft | and n900 hw dies |
| 19:24.59 | teleshoes | its like the single best supported device on the planet |
| 19:25.01 | Lava_Croft | parts run out:\ |
| 19:25.16 | teleshoes | tru dat |
| 19:25.40 | teleshoes | just solder the usb port proactively |
| 19:25.47 | Lava_Croft | mine's fine |
| 19:25.53 | teleshoes | oh it wont be |
| 19:25.53 | Lava_Croft | i've never had trouble with any of the 3 n900's i had |
| 19:26.00 | Lava_Croft | it still is after all these years |
| 19:26.06 | teleshoes | lucky |
| 19:26.07 | Lava_Croft | its pretty firmly attached |
| 19:26.09 | Lava_Croft | yes |
| 19:26.14 | Lava_Croft | probably |
| 19:26.23 | teleshoes | i waited until after it broke to fix it |
| 19:26.35 | teleshoes | was v. unpleasant |
| 19:26.38 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 19:26.58 | Lava_Croft | i did another, easier thing |
| 19:27.07 | Lava_Croft | i removed all the 'teeth' from usb cables |
| 19:27.13 | teleshoes | yea, thats also an option, |
| 19:27.18 | teleshoes | but then when youre tethered on the train |
| 19:27.30 | teleshoes | or charging at night and check the time |
| 19:27.32 | teleshoes | blahblahblah |
| 19:27.36 | Lava_Croft | :) |
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| 19:28.07 | teleshoes | between wifi, removable scud batteries, and bl-5j desktop chargers, you never actually need to plug it in |
| 19:28.17 | Lava_Croft | DT-33 desktop charger is lovely |
| 19:28.24 | Lava_Croft | batteries i use polarcell, 1500+mah |
| 19:28.30 | teleshoes | yea, i just ordered two of them |
| 19:28.51 | teleshoes | not two hours ago |
| 19:28.54 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 19:28.59 | teleshoes | my scuds are tired |
| 19:29.16 | teleshoes | i was hoping to get two more of them, but they seem to have disappeared |
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| 20:08.04 | teleshoes | hey anyone know where qmlmozbrowser got to? |
| 20:10.54 | teleshoes | oh openrepos, cool |
| 20:13.29 | RzR | is it usable ? |
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