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| 03:54.13 | zezazezo | hallo |
| 03:55.25 | bef0rd | hi |
| 03:56.58 | zezazezo | can you help me for whatsapp |
| 03:57.04 | zezazezo | for n9 |
| 03:58.13 | zezazezo | i cant dawnload to my phone |
| 03:59.51 | zezazezo | i am vist the wepsite wazapp.im |
| 04:00.24 | zezazezo | but not come dawn load |
| 04:00.40 | bef0rd | let me se |
| 04:01.31 | zezazezo | ok |
| 04:02.06 | bef0rd | http://t.co/kcW296vXeC |
| 04:02.10 | bef0rd | try that one |
| 04:02.22 | zezazezo | ok |
| 04:02.22 | bef0rd | it comes from tgalal twitter |
| 04:02.27 | bef0rd | https://twitter.com/tgalal |
| 04:03.49 | zezazezo | its not complete |
| 04:04.19 | bef0rd | it is the last version, if you have problem downloading it get it on a pc, try to use a different network connection etc |
| 04:04.25 | bef0rd | the download works here |
| 04:05.28 | zezazezo | ok the proplem in my phone |
| 04:05.41 | bef0rd | you can download it on a PC and transfer it to your phone |
| 04:05.51 | zezazezo | how |
| 04:06.18 | bef0rd | you have never connected the n9 to a computer? |
| 04:06.49 | zezazezo | yes i connectd |
| 04:07.34 | bef0rd | copy the .deb ther, use a file manager like filebox and double tap the file |
| 04:07.35 | zezazezo | tell me where i give the file |
| 04:09.16 | zezazezo | ok thanks i try and tell you whats happen |
| 04:09.29 | zezazezo | thank you so much |
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| 05:18.13 | loin | MohammadAG, i always build from scratch when using android, but when i asked Jonni if he ever modified a package i asked because i wanted to know 1. how does one get the modified package on the phone; 2. how do you safely test it before getting it on the phone |
| 05:25.48 | bef0rd | inception or openmode allows you to overwrite system packages |
| 05:26.21 | bef0rd | but there is always the risk of reboot loops, I don't know how to fix them without reflashing but I know its somehow possible |
| 05:26.57 | loin | can't i override without inception or openmode? |
| 05:27.05 | bef0rd | no |
| 05:27.10 | bef0rd | aegis |
| 05:27.15 | bef0rd | ~aegis |
| 05:27.15 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
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| 05:32.29 | loin | bef0rd, so i take it open mode and inception use a different package manager than aegis? |
| 05:32.36 | bef0rd | no |
| 05:33.17 | bef0rd | openmode kinda disables aegis completly, inception uses a security flaw to take control of it, allowing you to disable its features if you want to |
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| 05:35.22 | loin | which one do you run? |
| 05:35.25 | bef0rd | package manager has nothing to do, it's just security measures in the OS, you still generate a deb, install it with dpkg or whatever |
| 05:35.42 | bef0rd | none at the moment |
| 05:35.55 | bef0rd | oh lies, I have nitdroid so openmode |
| 05:36.55 | loin | so if i can install the deb, why do i need openmode |
| 05:37.05 | bef0rd | security measures? |
| 05:37.14 | bef0rd | they won't let you replace system's packages |
| 05:37.26 | bef0rd | if you do, it will end up in MALF mode |
| 05:37.35 | loin | no one wants malf |
| 05:37.57 | bef0rd | yea, once you reboot the system won't start |
| 05:39.13 | loin | do i need the openmode kernel |
| 05:39.16 | loin | if i want openmode? |
| 05:39.34 | bef0rd | ~openmode |
| 05:39.41 | bef0rd | uhm |
| 05:39.47 | bef0rd | well yea, you need it |
| 05:40.23 | loin | i don't want to void my warranty :( |
| 05:40.43 | bef0rd | inception then? |
| 05:40.53 | bef0rd | you can always flash to stock ROm |
| 05:40.55 | bef0rd | ROm |
| 05:40.56 | bef0rd | ROM |
| 05:40.58 | loin | inception doesn't void the warranty? |
| 05:41.06 | bef0rd | it's just software |
| 05:41.36 | bef0rd | if you use inception to overclock etc |
| 05:41.44 | bef0rd | then yes, you may break your device |
| 05:42.19 | loin | i don't want to overclock |
| 05:42.25 | loin | the battery sucks as it is |
| 05:43.03 | bef0rd | but as I said, even if you use openmode you can still go back to stock ROM |
| 05:43.16 | bef0rd | not rom, stock system |
| 05:43.56 | bef0rd | some say there is a flag that gets written when you flash, I don't know |
| 05:44.57 | loin | i think inception is down |
| 05:45.01 | loin | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 05:45.08 | bef0rd | yea long time, find a mirror |
| 05:55.51 | thedead1440 | inception mirror: http://www.robertocolistete.net/MaemoMeeGo/EasyDebian/inception.zip |
| 06:01.37 | loin | thanks thedead1440 |
| 06:02.05 | thedead1440 | np |
| 06:09.55 | loin | ok i think the phone is incepted |
| 06:10.02 | loin | when overriding a system deb |
| 06:10.24 | loin | do changes occur immediately or do they need a reboot |
| 06:30.34 | loin | i downloaded MohammadAG's unrestricted-system-ui |
| 06:30.39 | loin | does anyone know how to build it? |
| 06:30.50 | loin | from source |
| 06:45.19 | thedead1440 | loin: once you incept a package it takes effect immediately unless that package specifically requires a reboot... |
| 06:46.09 | loin | thedead1440, i'm trying to build the deb from source, not install the 'binary' deb |
| 06:46.57 | thedead1440 | oh mine was a reply to >> <loin> do changes occur immediately or do they need a reboot<< |
| 06:47.15 | loin | thedead1440, a, thank you |
| 06:47.42 | thedead1440 | iirc dpkg-buildpackage is enough to build it from MAG's source |
| 06:47.51 | loin | i was wondering because on android if you push systemui, it doesn't automatically come back up |
| 06:48.08 | loin | unless you reboot it (or killall system_server) |
| 06:48.56 | thedead1440 | yeah you would need to restart the process most probably too although iirc the restart is only required when installing plugins to unrestricted sys-ui not for the unres sys-ui itself |
| 06:51.12 | loin | thanks |
| 07:00.26 | loin | thedead1440, dpkg-buildpackage? i'm supposed to build it from the phone? |
| 07:02.11 | bef0rd | standard building procedures apply |
| 07:02.15 | bef0rd | scratchbox environment |
| 07:04.01 | loin | bef0rd, i never really built a deb package |
| 07:07.39 | loin | are there any tutorials online |
| 07:07.53 | loin | for building with this scratchbox thing? |
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| 07:11.07 | bef0rd | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html |
| 07:18.30 | loin | bef0rd, ah, that, if i remember correctly the installation would fail at some point |
| 07:18.32 | loin | but let me try again |
| 07:20.02 | thedead1440 | loin: what you can do is on your PC's /etc/hosts add a line for scratchbox.org 213.128.137.24 |
| 07:20.12 | thedead1440 | that would allow the installation to not fail ;) |
| 07:28.08 | loin | thedead1440, thanks, it seems to be downloading |
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| 08:36.57 | MohammadAG | loin: killall sysuid |
| 08:37.43 | MohammadAG | And dpkg-buildpackage is indeed enough |
| 08:38.13 | MohammadAG | For installation you need to incept the package only because its from another source |
| 08:38.24 | loin | MohammadAG, thanks |
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| 08:38.30 | loin | right now i'm still downloading the thing |
| 08:38.41 | loin | once i have it i just go in the folder and dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 08:38.53 | loin | that will create a deb file that i transfer to the phone, right? |
| 08:39.12 | loin | don't i need to set any environmental variables or anything? |
| 08:39.22 | loin | also, can i safely test this in an emulator before deploying to the phone? |
| 08:43.24 | Jonni | in scratchbox you run: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 08:44.11 | loin | cant' wait until scratchbox is installed :D |
| 08:44.36 | Jonni | and some people use inception to install packages from unknown sources, I personally have just patched dpkg to allow AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN, so I can install unknown origin packages without ever using inception. |
| 08:45.55 | loin | i think the sdk froze :( |
| 08:45.58 | loin | Downloading 224935484.0/803201832.0 bytes (28%) |
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| 09:27.11 | loin | i don't have targets |
| 09:27.57 | loin | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5707183/ |
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| 09:38.23 | loin | Jonni, are you still here? |
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| 10:21.14 | ladoga | loin: i don't get it |
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| 10:21.55 | loin | ladoga, installing the targets failed |
| 10:22.01 | loin | i'm in the process of trying again right now |
| 10:24.57 | ladoga | i see...too bad it's gone to this. when i installed scratchbox (many moons ago) all went smooth |
| 10:26.59 | loin | well, now x86 failed but armel passed |
| 10:27.04 | loin | i only need armel anyway |
| 10:27.11 | loin | let me try building sytemui |
| 10:27.40 | loin | i only bought the n9 like a a week ago |
| 10:27.43 | loin | brand new |
| 10:28.09 | ladoga | you might need to reboot for scratchbox to start properly. iirc |
| 10:28.59 | ladoga | for the first time that is |
| 10:29.13 | loin | i did that alraedy |
| 10:29.20 | loin | something keeps filling up by root partition |
| 10:29.55 | ladoga | and you managed to switch to armel target with $ sb-conf se HARMATTAN_ARMEL |
| 10:29.56 | ladoga | ? |
| 10:30.11 | ladoga | or maybe you only have that one |
| 10:30.39 | ladoga | normally both HARMATTAN_X86 and HARMATTAN_ARMEL get installed |
| 10:30.54 | loin | ladoga, i know, but mine keep failing because not enough space |
| 10:32.39 | loin | i switched with sb-menu |
| 10:36.13 | ladoga | i followed these steps (ignore the packaging part, better look for proper tutorials for that) http://wiki.maemo.org/Deb_packaging_for_noobs |
| 10:36.38 | ladoga | harmattan uses standard deb packages anyway so there's plenty |
| 10:38.57 | loin | well, i'm currently building systemui |
| 10:39.12 | loin | the unrestricted one |
| 10:39.21 | loin | that way i can check if it worked |
| 10:39.29 | loin | i believe i should be getting the safe mode notification thing |
| 10:39.36 | Corsac | loin: it's installed in /scratchbox so unless you move that elsewhere... |
| 10:40.07 | loin | Corsac, thanks, i''m not sure how, but i found it there |
| 10:40.17 | loin | i was wondering how i move files inside scratchbox |
| 10:40.23 | loin | but i found where the folders are |
| 10:40.26 | loin | and moved them there |
| 10:40.30 | loin | before scratchbox-ing |
| 10:40.35 | loin | and now i'm building ... |
| 10:40.50 | ladoga | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.51 | loin | in harmattan_armel |
| 10:41.09 | loin | i hope i get the correct installable deb file for my phone |
| 10:41.20 | loin | and that i don't get bootloops |
| 10:41.23 | loin | no one wants boot loops |
| 10:43.36 | ladoga | i suggest open mode ...no need to update refhashlist when changing some system files (like with inception) |
| 10:43.53 | loin | reflashlist? |
| 10:44.10 | ladoga | aegis keeps tracks of files |
| 10:44.34 | loin | doesn't the inception command automatically update that list |
| 10:45.04 | Corsac | ladoga: doesn't open mode prevent you to use anything credentials-related? |
| 10:46.15 | ladoga | track* compares them to hashes in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist |
| 10:46.29 | ladoga | and if it doesnt match locks the file |
| 10:48.19 | ladoga | so there's good chance of malfing the device |
| 10:48.59 | ladoga | with openmode you can just modify stuff in /etc (or anywhere) at will, no problem |
| 10:49.15 | ladoga | Corsac: like? |
| 10:49.42 | loin | ladoga, i successfully built system-ui_1.3.2-1+0m8_armel.deb |
| 10:49.54 | loin | do i need to know anything about that refhashlist thing before i flash it? |
| 10:50.00 | loin | install it* |
| 10:51.25 | ladoga | i haven't used modified system-ui so no idea what it does |
| 10:52.10 | loin | is there anything i should know about refhash list |
| 10:52.36 | loin | because you brought it up |
| 10:52.43 | loin | not sure if i should be concerned about it |
| 10:53.19 | ladoga | wasn't related to this really |
| 10:53.40 | ladoga | you just asked about inception and openmode earlier |
| 10:53.54 | ladoga | i have one phone using each |
| 10:54.06 | ladoga | so just decided to state my opinion |
| 10:55.36 | loin | well, i was concerned about the warranty thing |
| 10:55.50 | Corsac | ladoga: like account credentials etc. |
| 10:55.52 | ladoga | it's just software so doesn't affect warranty |
| 10:56.40 | ladoga | Corsac: all work for me |
| 10:58.04 | ladoga | but i think you have to do clean flash |
| 10:58.48 | ladoga | accounts created on normal mode don't work in open mode |
| 11:01.32 | ladoga | if you flash emmc (user partition) and only create accounts when booted to open mode it works just the same as is normal mode |
| 11:01.54 | ladoga | only difference i know of is that device lock code doesn't work in open mode |
| 11:03.49 | Corsac | ha. |
| 11:04.02 | loin | i can build unrestricted systemui but not the source system ui |
| 11:08.36 | ladoga | as in* |
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| 11:09.48 | ladoga | but i never used the lock code anyway, so nothing lost |
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| 18:59.14 | coderus | bef0rd: loin: better way is making simple application staying on top. as in android. |
| 19:00.00 | loin | coderus, i pretty much have everything figured out |
| 19:00.09 | loin | except that i can't find a good component |
| 19:00.13 | loin | to use |
| 19:00.29 | loin | i tried QGraphicsWidget |
| 19:00.59 | loin | coderus, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5708537/ |
| 19:01.15 | loin | either i'm not using qgraphicswidget right |
| 19:01.25 | loin | or there's something else at fault here |
| 19:01.40 | loin | but i thought what i wrote was correct |
| 19:02.04 | loin | a widget holding a rectangle that is 300 x 1 |
| 19:02.05 | coderus | this is system-ui part, you will se it only when status bar visible. you don't like percentage text? :) |
| 19:02.44 | loin | coderus, i just like the line much better :) |
| 19:02.58 | coderus | aha, i see. |
| 19:03.14 | loin | can you tell what is wrong with my usage of q graphics widget? |
| 19:03.50 | coderus | i think you should create QGraphicsObject and set it child of root QWidget and it will be showed |
| 19:05.18 | loin | coderus, worth a shot :) |
| 19:05.25 | loin | by the way, is the telephony api opensource? |
| 19:05.38 | loin | i want to make my phone vibrate onAnswer and onHangup |
| 19:13.16 | loin | turns out i can't just create a new qgraphicsobject for some reason |
| 19:13.38 | loin | i suspect it's an abstract class |
| 19:16.53 | loin | thank you for the hint coderus, i'll look into it some more tomorrow :) |
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