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| 06:34.43 | anthony_dev | guys, I'm still not sure how actual work steps must be to make app in nokia n9 style. All that UI stuff ( buttons, labels, edit fields etc) isnt present in QT creator. any links\help? |
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| 07:40.42 | ZogG_laptop | morning |
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| 07:51.56 | anthony_dev | ZogG_laptop: maybe you will help me? t_t |
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| 07:52.41 | ZogG_laptop | anthony_dev, depends if i can |
| 07:52.50 | anthony_dev | guys, I'm still not sure how actual work steps must be to make app in nokia n9 style. All that UI stuff ( buttons, labels, edit fields etc) isnt present in QT creator. any links\help? |
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| 07:56.12 | phako | just code. |
| 07:56.18 | phako | no designer help available |
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| 07:58.48 | anthony_dev | phako: and another thing: these nokia n9 style buttons, how you implement them? is it downloadable? or it is already in QTsdk? |
| 07:58.56 | anthony_dev | *buttons/edit fields/etc |
| 07:59.09 | phako | it's in the SDK |
| 07:59.14 | phako | qt-components |
| 08:00.08 | anthony_dev | when I compile anything from examples\demos folder it doesnt look like n9 apps |
| 08:00.29 | ZogG_laptop | depends on what u try to develop and how |
| 08:00.36 | ZogG_laptop | if u use MTF qml or other |
| 08:02.10 | ZogG_laptop | anthony_dev, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-simpletutorial.html |
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| 08:09.25 | phako | anthony_dev: I don't think the examples use the N9 style |
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| 08:20.47 | anthony_dev | ZogG_laptop: thank you :O |
| 08:20.58 | anthony_dev | phako: oh, ok |
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| 09:35.13 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.14 | khertan | ) |
| 09:36.06 | lpapp__ | would suggest 2.0 |
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| 09:49.46 | Hurrian | anyone else run their N9 sans swap? |
| 09:50.37 | Hurrian | people are talking about having mtdswap on their N9s, but meh, even on ~10 days uptime, free -m only shows ~830 MB used. |
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| 09:51.35 | Hurrian | also: I've noticed that the ramzswap device created by the N9 is encrypted |
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| 09:51.48 | Hurrian | ...which is puzzling. |
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| 10:10.05 | lpapp__ | rZr: got your rpi? :) |
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| 10:11.24 | ab | Hurrian: what's puzzling? |
| 10:11.51 | Hurrian | ab, the fact that the zram device is encrypted with AES |
| 10:13.11 | ab | Hurrian: this is in order to get around mlock() in many apps to reduce amount of pinned and always in memory pages |
| 10:13.26 | Hurrian | oh. |
| 10:13.51 | Hurrian | basically, forcing encryption forces the kernel to refresh and flush cached data? |
| 10:13.57 | Hurrian | interesting. |
| 10:14.03 | ab | if third-party app would like to keep passwords protected, it would need to mlock() the pages where sensitive information is stored |
| 10:14.19 | ab | so that this sensitive info does not go to swap unprotected |
| 10:14.28 | ab | when memory pressure is high |
| 10:14.48 | Hurrian | ooh. |
| 10:15.06 | ab | encrypting swap gives you chance to extend this protection to memory pages which were pushed to it |
| 10:15.40 | ab | compressed-in-memory swap is a cheap replacement to mtd swap and AES encryption of it is within 1% of performance |
| 10:15.49 | ab | thanks to HW acceleration |
| 10:17.39 | ab | I remember we had huge concern about this solution but actual tests showed it is quite performant |
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| 10:37.06 | pa | gasp |
| 10:37.55 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: there is howto jonni wrote on TMO |
| 10:38.08 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I saw it. |
| 10:38.16 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i saw you |
| 10:38.20 | ZogG_laptop | :P |
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| 10:38.43 | Hurrian | personally, I don't use my N9 as a mobile workstation like N900, so filling up RAM and having kernel kill processes is not a problem for me. |
| 10:39.20 | ZogG_laptop | there is up to clean ram i think |
| 10:39.26 | ZogG_laptop | dropcache or something |
| 10:40.29 | phako | wasn't there some howto on tmo how to save packages downloaded from the store? |
| 10:41.14 | rzr | dpkg-repack ? |
| 10:41.36 | phako | or that |
| 10:41.48 | rzr | i havent tested |
| 10:41.52 | rzr | but it built |
| 10:42.16 | ZogG_laptop | or you can copy them from cache when installing |
| 10:42.27 | ZogG_laptop | they are downloaded there |
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| 11:10.10 | Jaffa | Morning |
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| 11:34.12 | rzr | djszapi, http://identi.ca/notice/96925427 |
| 11:35.08 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: or raspbarian or qtonpi or wait fr funtoo stagess :P |
| 11:36.49 | djszapiN9 | rzr, raspbian |
| 11:36.59 | djszapiN9 | or arch/ubuntu-arm. |
| 11:37.06 | rzr | linaro ? |
| 11:37.15 | djszapiN9 | rzr, have you read my blog post? |
| 11:37.53 | rzr | reading |
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| 11:38.43 | rzr | why focus on windows? |
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| 11:46.20 | djszapiN9 | rzr, qt is run on Linux as it is a fundamental decision for many. |
| 11:46.40 | djszapiN9 | we would not like to discriminate among our users. |
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| 11:47.20 | djszapiN9 | I am mostly the guy working on the platform supports other do not or cannot do. |
| 11:48.12 | lucido | how can I detect (in qt) that an app is running or not? |
| 11:48.23 | rzr | qtest ? |
| 11:48.34 | rzr | sorry |
| 11:48.44 | lpapp__ | lucido: sorry? |
| 11:48.51 | rzr | you mean if somes process exists ? |
| 11:48.51 | lpapp__ | lucido: you mean IPC (dbus)? |
| 11:49.06 | lpapp__ | or just simply pid query with the posix api? |
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| 11:49.15 | lpapp__ | or if your QCoreApplication singleton is still up |
| 11:49.17 | lpapp__ | ? |
| 11:50.53 | lucido | I mean I have daemon and an app part, the aplication is sometimes started from my daemon by QProcess and it can also be started from the app launcher. so to avoid starting it twice I want to check from my daemon if its running or not |
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| 11:51.51 | lpapp__ | lucido: use invoker |
| 11:52.04 | lpapp__ | singleinstance option |
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| 11:52.33 | lpapp__ | just like how you should have already done for the desktop file entry |
| 11:53.12 | lucido | lpapp__, invoker? from qt, how? |
| 11:53.40 | lucido | http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator-extending/extensionsystem-invoker.html ? |
| 11:53.46 | lpapp__ | no |
| 11:53.52 | lpapp__ | check the other desktop files. You will love it. |
| 11:54.18 | lucido | the other desktop files? |
| 11:54.27 | lpapp__ | yes |
| 11:54.42 | lpapp__ | you are not the only one in the world who wanna have this feature. ;) |
| 11:55.05 | lucido | desktop files are for the app launcher |
| 11:56.01 | lpapp__ | except that invoker is not app launcher specific. |
| 11:56.15 | lucido | lpapp__, wheres the api doc? |
| 11:56.24 | lpapp__ | this is not api ... |
| 11:56.30 | lpapp__ | invoker is a binary |
| 11:56.39 | lucido | I need to start this programmatically |
| 11:56.48 | lpapp__ | and in fact in your case, you will just be fine with the singleinstance binary unless you need to proxy the creds. |
| 11:57.12 | lpapp__ | well, you already used QProcess, so I do not see the problem ... |
| 11:57.12 | lucido | no creds involved |
| 11:57.29 | lucido | ah, right |
| 11:57.48 | lucido | not very cross platform |
| 11:58.16 | lpapp__ | so? |
| 11:58.22 | lucido | just saying |
| 11:58.25 | lpapp__ | you would like to reinvent the invoker/singleinstance functionality? |
| 11:58.35 | lpapp__ | go ahead if you wish :-) |
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| 11:58.50 | lucido | no |
| 11:58.51 | lpapp__ | mind you, you may not be able to get the same creds for your replication as those applications already have. |
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| 12:00.50 | lucido | that's fine at this point, I jsut need to have access to files in /home/user |
| 12:01.21 | lpapp__ | except that your daemon is runn?ing as root most likely |
| 12:01.24 | lpapp__ | running* |
| 12:02.22 | lucido | it's launched from /etc/init/apps |
| 12:02.48 | lpapp__ | yes, as root. |
| 12:02.57 | lucido | exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -l -s -u user /opt/digimedaemon/bin/digimedaemon |
| 12:03.05 | lpapp__ | uhh, that is a dirty hack... |
| 12:03.09 | lucido | hehe |
| 12:03.13 | lpapp__ | you should never use it that way ;) |
| 12:04.30 | lucido | whats the path of the invoker? |
| 12:04.48 | lpapp__ | "which invoker" will let you know. |
| 12:05.00 | lpapp__ | if you are behind ssh. |
| 12:05.13 | lpapp__ | and I am sure other desktop files may also have abolute paths for that. |
| 12:05.14 | lucido | any other solutions? |
| 12:05.18 | lpapp__ | ? |
| 12:05.32 | lucido | I mean I could use dbus |
| 12:05.48 | lpapp__ | huh why? |
| 12:06.08 | lucido | I son't know, because of the creds? |
| 12:07.15 | lpapp__ | no |
| 12:07.24 | lpapp__ | I wonder if you know how invoker works. |
| 12:07.33 | lpapp__ | it is important to understand as a basic step for application developers |
| 12:07.40 | lpapp__ | as it is also needed for handling the desktop file. |
| 12:07.50 | lpapp__ | Perhaps you could look up the documentation |
| 12:07.51 | lpapp__ | ? |
| 12:08.02 | lpapp__ | it has an option for single instance (iirc -s) |
| 12:08.12 | lpapp__ | which calls the /usr/bin/singleinstance or similarly named functionality. |
| 12:12.12 | lucido | I wrote this app a year ago, forgot all about that |
| 12:12.19 | lucido | it says: Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/digimeapp/bin/digimeapp |
| 12:12.43 | lucido | I guess I have to use the same option when launching from QProcess |
| 12:16.09 | lucido | I need to revrite it because with the new firmware it became uninstallable (had a hidden declarativeview in my daemon) and people were telling me to f*** myself in the app review |
| 12:16.39 | lpapp__ | it is not a rocket science :) |
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| 12:21.38 | lucido | well, thanks lpapp |
| 12:21.50 | lpapp__ | cheers :-) |
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| 14:54.50 | beford | hai |
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| 15:28.30 | ZogG_laptop | beford: hey |
| 15:28.38 | beford | hi |
| 15:29.20 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 15:36.59 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: ping |
| 15:37.09 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1271473#post1271473 , tell djszapiN9 :P |
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| 15:37.29 | beford | not much, doing work stuff |
| 15:37.39 | beford | ZogG_laptop: and you? did you already vote for cc? |
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| 15:40.28 | ZogG_laptop | beford: a long time ago :P |
| 15:40.38 | beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1271401#post1271401 |
| 15:40.56 | beford | it makes no sense that with qt5 his devices feels faster |
| 15:41.06 | beford | since all apps are still using qt4 |
| 15:41.38 | beford | Installing Qt5 libraries will not make the device faster. Those libraries are not used unless there are newly ported and compiled applications that make use of those libraries. None of the software on N9 uses qt5 libraries, they would need to be recompiled to use qt5 libraries. |
| 15:41.40 | beford | ^ |
| 15:42.08 | ZogG_laptop | where do you read this |
| 15:42.58 | beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86993&page=2 |
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| 16:15.29 | lucido | what's an efficient implementation of a function call between two of my apps when the argument passed is about 2kb? |
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| 16:22.15 | djszapi_ | lucido: IPC |
| 16:22.56 | lucido | djszapi, yes, which implementation would you recommend? |
| 16:23.48 | lucido | I have been using gconf for rudimentary ipc but for complex and large data types it's not suitable |
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| 16:32.07 | ab | lucido: unix domain socket |
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| 16:37.53 | djszapiN9 | lucido, dbus? |
| 16:38.39 | lucido | djszapiN9, looking for something simple, dbus seems complicated |
| 16:39.06 | djszapiN9 | lucido, why would it? |
| 16:40.05 | lucido | djszapiN9, you have to register your app first with the os with some config files |
| 16:40.35 | lucido | might be wrong |
| 16:40.43 | lucido | about that |
| 16:41.07 | djszapiN9 | lucido, I would personally go for dbus, but up to you |
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| 16:41.32 | djszapiN9 | I do not unfortunately know any good and nonhack alternative. |
| 16:41.44 | djszapiN9 | what is that 2 mb by the way? |
| 16:41.47 | lucido | I see, I'll give it a try |
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| 16:45.09 | lucido | 2-200kb, it's a finger trace for, authentication |
| 16:45.44 | lucido | I dont want to load up the classifier every time the lockscreen is activated |
| 16:46.14 | lucido | so I want to store the classifier in the memory in the daemon |
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| 21:17.15 | lpapp | rzr: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/09/randa-rekonq-installer-for-windows.html |
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| 21:20.13 | rzr | time to focus on webkit2 |
| 21:21.16 | lpapp | rzr: details |
| 21:21.20 | lpapp | rekonq uses qtwebkit |
| 21:21.28 | lpapp | so it is up to upstream, not us. |
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| 21:36.52 | lpapp | it is like you do not need to take care of the low-level opengl details either when using the scenegraph API. |
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| 22:15.15 | rm_work | ah, via a file manager |
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