| 00:14.35 | DrGrov | What is happening? |
| 00:14.56 | DrGrov | Anyone got some nice ex. wallpapers or such to share? I am feeling like I need to pimp up my N9 somehow |
| 00:23.57 | tomma | DrGrov, try https://www.google.fi/search?q=wallpaper&hl=en&prmd=imvnsa&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=6oh_T9aHNorO4QTtq429Bw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1745&bih=873#q=wallpaper&hl=en&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsa&source=lnt&tbs=isz:ex,iszw:854,iszh:854&sa=X&ei=7Yh_T5mgDeKO4gSa0bzNBw&ved=0CBAQpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=ee2631625bfb2446&biw=1745&bih=873 |
| 00:27.17 | DrGrov | tomma: No, you are making me bliiiiiiind with that google crap |
| 00:27.46 | DrGrov | tomma: But much appreciated that you took the time to respond with such a long nice webpage address :) |
| 00:28.19 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone with a google account configured on their phone? |
| 00:28.27 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, if you do mc-tool list, then mc-tool show <account> |
| 00:28.37 | itsnotabigtruck | where <account> is the google account id from the list |
| 00:28.42 | itsnotabigtruck | does it contain the password in plaintext |
| 00:28.44 | itsnotabigtruck | or some sort of token |
| 00:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | what kind of token could that be? |
| 00:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | the password rot13'ed? |
| 00:43.18 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: *stare* |
| 00:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, you (or rather: your app) will need the password in plaintext anyway |
| 00:43.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be stored in signon |
| 00:44.08 | tomma | itsnotabigtruck, mc-tool show doesn't seem to show neighter |
| 00:44.09 | itsnotabigtruck | you know, that thing that's constantly breaking for everyone |
| 00:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | then what friggin token do you expect to see? "******" ? |
| 00:44.39 | itsnotabigtruck | tomma: so no password entry of any sort? |
| 00:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | makes sense |
| 00:44.50 | itsnotabigtruck | could you post the output (redacted!)? |
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| 00:45.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. remove your nicknames, any unusual looking data blobs, etc. |
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| 00:45.57 | tomma | i could but there is nothing which indicates password or token |
| 00:46.18 | itsnotabigtruck | hm |
| 00:46.20 | itsnotabigtruck | i wonder how that all works |
| 00:47.08 | DrGrov | tomma: You mean "neither"? |
| 00:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | "that"? |
| 00:49.08 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi Doc. How are you? |
| 00:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you have one data base table with all the "public" credential details and a unique key, and a "secure" table with the password and the unique key |
| 00:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: hi! well, still ill |
| 00:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise fine |
| 00:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | the "secure" table can be read only by those apps that aegis allows |
| 00:51.20 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: that = how telepathy-gabble is getting the password |
| 00:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | see ^^ |
| 00:51.42 | itsnotabigtruck | telepathy-sasl-signon < probably that |
| 00:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 00:52.05 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: i didn't mean the technical implementation but how it's wired up, because the signon stuff isn't in telepathy-gabble itself |
| 00:52.08 | itsnotabigtruck | but that explains it there |
| 00:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 00:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 00:53.35 | itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately that part is closed source |
| 00:53.52 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I hope that you will get better soon :) |
| 00:53.53 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i guess i could try attempting to use it and seeing if it works with a regular xmpp server |
| 00:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | and, tbh, I don't bother too much. I'm not exactly worried about which process reads my password. My security concept is a different one |
| 00:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: thanks :-) |
| 00:59.33 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: You are welcome :) I know the feeling how it is to be ill. Had a serious struggle with getting better after being 1 week with fever, running nose, throat pain like I am coughing up my lungs etc. |
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| 01:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | a mild form of what you got, here |
| 01:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | day 3 and I thought it should be over already - it isn't |
| 01:05.47 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: SSO? Hahha, if you figured it out please let us know |
| 01:09.20 | GeneralAntilles | Don't you hate it when the bugs linger? |
| 01:09.46 | diorahman | why there is no proper docs for Account and SSO? :-O |
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| 01:22.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It will take roughly a week before you get past it |
| 01:23.08 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Could of course be a milder version or different version but nevertheless I hope you get better :) |
| 01:24.28 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Well, talk to you later Doc. I am off. Get better. |
| 01:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 01:24.43 | DrGrov | Talk to you later guys and gals, everyone have a Happy Easter now! :) |
| 01:31.59 | itsnotabigtruck | https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccounts-ui/blobs/master/lib/doc/src/plugin-guide.dox |
| 01:32.03 | itsnotabigtruck | this is about it for docs :/ |
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| 02:09.19 | itsnotabigtruck | when one receives a gtalk message |
| 02:09.24 | itsnotabigtruck | what icon appears in the notification bar |
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| 03:44.49 | itsnotabigtruck | Apr 6 22:44:30 (2012) telepathy-sasl-signon[8182]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_hash_table_unref: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed |
| 03:44.51 | itsnotabigtruck | :/ |
| 03:47.15 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, this is weird |
| 03:47.22 | itsnotabigtruck | all those Apr 6 22:46:53 (2012) cellular: csd[651]: com.nokia.csd.simatk: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message |
| 03:47.25 | itsnotabigtruck | log messages? |
| 03:47.35 | itsnotabigtruck | it turns out they're generated every second that you have your finger on the screen |
| 03:47.38 | itsnotabigtruck | plus a few seconds after that |
| 03:47.47 | itsnotabigtruck | why is it reporting that to the sim card :/ |
| 03:48.22 | tehdely | i've been wondering about those for a while |
| 03:48.41 | tehdely | wonder if it's some CarrierIQ-like nonsense |
| 03:51.45 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: btw do you have a gtalk account set up on your phone |
| 03:51.53 | tehdely | yes |
| 03:52.01 | tehdely | every now and then you hit me up on it |
| 03:52.02 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, could you do mc-tool list, mc-tool show with the name of the google talk account |
| 03:52.08 | tehdely | and then complain about how i don't have OTR ;) |
| 03:52.11 | itsnotabigtruck | redact the info and upload |
| 03:52.26 | tehdely | hmm, i seem to have two |
| 03:52.27 | itsnotabigtruck | right, i thought you had it set up :p |
| 03:52.42 | tehdely | i wonder if that's a vagary of all my passwords having been nuked after a crash |
| 03:52.44 | itsnotabigtruck | well, normally there's at least 3 total entries |
| 03:52.53 | itsnotabigtruck | well, at least 2, with no im accounts |
| 03:52.57 | itsnotabigtruck | mms and talk |
| 03:53.09 | tehdely | oh wait, one is facebook |
| 03:53.10 | tehdely | n/m |
| 03:53.31 | tehdely | there's really nothing in here i need to redact |
| 03:54.29 | itsnotabigtruck | well, if you include your JID and then post it here, web spiders will get to it and spam you |
| 03:58.18 | tehdely | http://409truth.com/stough/jabber.txt |
| 03:58.18 | teleshoes | so folks |
| 03:58.18 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm, nothing real fascinating there :( |
| 03:58.18 | teleshoes | its time for my once-every-3-days question |
| 03:58.18 | teleshoes | does anyone on the internet |
| 03:58.18 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: when you connect to gtalk do you get that telepathy-sasl-signon message |
| 03:58.18 | itsnotabigtruck | in your syslog |
| 03:58.18 | teleshoes | know how to set the media volume {the main/system one} on an n9/n950, from the command line |
| 03:58.18 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 03:59.05 | tehdely | let's see |
| 03:59.33 | tehdely | you're right, btw |
| 03:59.37 | tehdely | it sends those SIM messages every time i touch it |
| 03:59.39 | tehdely | that is.... unsettling |
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| 04:01.52 | tehdely | newp: http://409truth.com/stough/syslog |
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| 04:02.00 | tehdely | i'm grepping out that simatk stuff |
| 04:02.06 | tehdely | otherwise it'd be flooded with it |
| 04:04.03 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: heh |
| 04:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so no, it doesn't produce that error |
| 04:04.17 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably bombing out with that in my case |
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| 04:23.22 | teleshoes | better luck next time, internet |
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| 09:37.48 | Arie | jonni: can I get some help? |
| 09:39.08 | jonni | depends whats the problem :) |
| 09:39.20 | Arie | ive reflashed my N9 about 10 times in the past 3 days |
| 09:39.26 | Arie | messing with beta apps and all that |
| 09:39.41 | Arie | before with being root |
| 09:39.50 | Arie | i could write to /home/user/ |
| 09:39.54 | Arie | now i can't |
| 09:39.58 | Arie | everytime i try to |
| 09:40.02 | Arie | it says permission denied |
| 09:40.04 | Arie | any ideas? |
| 09:40.23 | jonni | by default root is not allowed to write to /home/user |
| 09:40.45 | jonni | you need to do devel-su - user in order to write to /home/user |
| 09:40.57 | Arie | right, im saying devel-su cant do it |
| 09:41.09 | Arie | my mistake, i keep thinking devel-su is root |
| 09:41.09 | jonni | "devel-su - user" |
| 09:41.30 | jonni | that will load you a user shell |
| 09:41.55 | Arie | asks for a password |
| 09:41.57 | Arie | is it rootme? |
| 09:42.19 | jonni | depends fromn where yuo are switching |
| 09:42.29 | jonni | "whoami" |
| 09:42.43 | Arie | im switching from user |
| 09:43.02 | jonni | when you dont even need to switch, is whoami returns user, then you can write to home/user |
| 09:43.18 | Arie | so as a user i can write to home/user? |
| 09:43.22 | jonni | devel-su - user is only needed if you want to switch from root to user |
| 09:43.28 | Arie | oh |
| 09:43.37 | jonni | yep |
| 09:44.34 | Arie | ah |
| 09:44.37 | Arie | just tried it |
| 09:45.08 | Arie | i tried to cp something from /home/user/MyDocs/ to /home/user/ and it said permission denied |
| 09:46.24 | jonni | might also depend what and where your trying to cp stuff, since not all files or dirs are owned by user |
| 09:46.56 | Arie | im trying to take from /home/user/MyDocs/ to /home/user/.local/share/applications/ |
| 09:48.57 | jonni | that dir is onwed by user, so if your running as user it should succeed, but if your running command as root, it should fail |
| 09:49.09 | Arie | didnt work as user |
| 09:49.28 | jonni | so what kind of files are you trying to copy then? |
| 09:49.35 | Arie | .desktop files |
| 09:50.22 | jonni | and with cp vs cp -a vs cp -r? |
| 09:50.29 | Arie | im using cp -r |
| 09:50.40 | jonni | and are you trying to overwrite anythings |
| 09:50.44 | Arie | nope |
| 09:51.31 | jonni | like if you are trying to cp quicklaunchbars it will fail, because those files are owned by root |
| 09:51.55 | Arie | yup |
| 09:52.04 | Arie | but it's a .desktop file for the terminal |
| 09:52.15 | jonni | why cp -r? are you trying to copy subdirs`? |
| 09:52.21 | Arie | no |
| 09:52.37 | Arie | i should try with just cp? |
| 09:52.48 | jonni | yep, -r is only for subdirs |
| 09:52.51 | Arie | ah |
| 09:52.56 | Arie | thank you for explaining that |
| 09:53.22 | Arie | still not working |
| 09:53.36 | jonni | so what kind of commandline do you have for cp? |
| 09:53.50 | Arie | you mean busy box? |
| 09:53.53 | Arie | or somethign else? |
| 09:54.00 | jonni | in device focourse? |
| 09:54.19 | jonni | in busybox dir owners are totally different |
| 09:54.33 | Arie | ~ $ |
| 09:54.33 | infobot | it has been said that $ is a dollar sign |
| 09:54.53 | jonni | no I mean "cp jkjklfsdklajf lkfaslkjfglkj,jg" |
| 09:55.03 | Arie | oh |
| 09:55.24 | jonni | and "ls -la thedesktopfilethatyoutrytocopy" |
| 09:55.57 | Arie | cp /home/user/MyDocs/meego-terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/ |
| 09:56.33 | jonni | ~/MyDocs $ cp foobar.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/ works for me just fine as user |
| 09:56.46 | Arie | wierd |
| 09:56.55 | jonni | so can you ls -la /home/user/MyDocs/meego-terminal.desktop |
| 09:57.00 | Arie | yes |
| 09:57.16 | jonni | and ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications/ and put then to some pastebin or something |
| 09:59.10 | Arie | -rw-rr--r-- 1 user root 157 Dec 9 12:40 Terminal.desktop |
| 09:59.23 | Arie | is the output of ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications |
| 10:00.46 | Arie | i dont know how to put it to pastebin |
| 10:00.57 | jonni | Terminal.desktop != meego-terminal.desktop |
| 10:01.14 | Arie | i have renamed it to Terminal |
| 10:01.23 | Arie | so i dont mix it up with the meego terminal |
| 10:01.31 | Arie | it worked before the 10 flashes |
| 10:01.37 | Arie | im wondering if i did something wrong? |
| 10:01.42 | jonni | http://pastebin.com |
| 10:01.55 | Arie | ok |
| 10:02.28 | jonni | "ls -la /home/user/.local/share/applications/" "accli -I" "whoami" "ls -la /home/user/MyDocs/*desktop" |
| 10:02.37 | jonni | if you can copypaste those if might help |
| 10:02.51 | Arie | http://pastebin.com/pmmXd8Qc |
| 10:03.20 | jonni | your filesystem is corrupted then since there cant be -rr- ever |
| 10:03.33 | Arie | i just flashed it |
| 10:03.40 | Arie | how is the file system corrupted? |
| 10:04.06 | jonni | I have no idea -rw-rr--r-- is just impossible |
| 10:04.13 | Arie | ok |
| 10:04.23 | Arie | so i am flashing with a bad rootfs file? |
| 10:04.39 | jonni | nope, MyDocs is not part of rootfs |
| 10:04.48 | jonni | MyDocs is generated with emmc |
| 10:05.05 | Arie | so im flashing with a corrupted emmc? |
| 10:05.11 | Arie | i flash both at the same time |
| 10:05.30 | jonni | or you are copying corruter Terminal.desktop file to emmc |
| 10:05.42 | jonni | or your copypaste was not successfull |
| 10:05.47 | Arie | nope, its the same one ive used since the start |
| 10:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | I bat on latter |
| 10:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | bet |
| 10:06.01 | Arie | for instance before flashing it 10 times |
| 10:06.04 | Arie | it worked fine |
| 10:06.04 | jonni | usually iles are -rd-r--r-- a |
| 10:06.09 | Arie | with that exact file |
| 10:06.13 | jonni | -rw-r--r-- even |
| 10:06.28 | jonni | and if you get -rw-rr--r-- then something is really wrong |
| 10:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | xdrwxrwxrwx |
| 10:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | you can have - in each place, but no way a double "r" |
| 10:07.30 | Arie | so what is your suggestion |
| 10:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | redo ;-) |
| 10:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | or, wait |
| 10:07.51 | Arie | redo the flash? |
| 10:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 10:07.53 | jonni | you must be just screwing with me, if you getting -rr- then most likely complete reflash is in order :) |
| 10:07.55 | Arie | or the terminal? |
| 10:08.00 | Arie | crap |
| 10:08.02 | Arie | not again |
| 10:08.38 | jonni | sudo -fF firmware.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure -R |
| 10:08.51 | Arie | yup |
| 10:09.00 | jonni | and your sure that -rr- was not an typo? |
| 10:09.02 | Arie | should i do that from the commandline? |
| 10:09.05 | Arie | im rechecking again |
| 10:09.14 | Arie | i dont mind flashing again |
| 10:09.32 | jonni | sudo flasher even |
| 10:10.12 | Arie | from the command line or from a pc? |
| 10:10.16 | jonni | or if you want to avoid reflashing then pastebin all the output from the commands that I asked from |
| 10:10.43 | Arie | eh, if it's corrupted id rather reflash |
| 10:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | do "stat <file>" |
| 10:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | paste that |
| 10:11.08 | Arie | as user or root? |
| 10:11.20 | jonni | it doesnt matter, user or root |
| 10:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~coffee |
| 10:11.50 | infobot | from memory, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage |
| 10:12.01 | jonni | as user should be enough, since your trying to do things as user |
| 10:12.05 | Arie | doc can you kick the infobot please? |
| 10:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 10:12.22 | Arie | so for access: i get (0644/-rw-r--r--) |
| 10:12.31 | Arie | is the infobot a person/ |
| 10:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
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| 10:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | o |
| 10:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 10:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 10:12.44 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 10:12.49 | Arie | lol |
| 10:12.58 | Arie | so it must have been a typo before |
| 10:13.23 | jonni | so if you copypaste the outputs then we might be able to help |
| 10:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's easy to find out, just redi ls -l |
| 10:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | dedo |
| 10:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | DANG!!! |
| 10:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | COFEE!!!! |
| 10:13.55 | Arie | yup i get -rw-r--r-- |
| 10:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | redo "ls -l <file>" |
| 10:14.00 | Arie | it was a typo |
| 10:15.21 | Arie | jonni: one more question I had was is there a difference between the firmwares for pr001 legacy and pr005 aus? |
| 10:16.29 | jonni | Arie: no idea, most likely differences of what languages it includes |
| 10:16.52 | Arie | for some reason I can't keep stable signal from my service provider on pr005 from aus |
| 10:16.56 | Arie | i'm based out of the us |
| 10:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not kicking females |
| 10:17.08 | Arie | im wondering if using PR001 will fix that |
| 10:17.13 | Arie | ive tried changing sims |
| 10:17.15 | Arie | and all |
| 10:17.29 | Arie | and my N8 gets a signal everytime, whereas my N9 keeps losing signal |
| 10:17.34 | jonni | I doubt that, most likely your service provider just have bad reception on your area |
| 10:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | if you really despise infobot, you put her on yur /ignore list |
| 10:18.02 | jonni | differences on antenna db's |
| 10:18.06 | Arie | hmmmm |
| 10:18.18 | Arie | is there a way to fix it, or is that a hardware issue? |
| 10:19.18 | jonni | serviceprovider issue more likely, unless someone else with N9 gets singal fine in your location |
| 10:19.37 | Arie | no one else i know owns an N9 in my area |
| 10:19.39 | Arie | :( |
| 10:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is an antenna db? |
| 10:19.47 | Arie | decibels i assume |
| 10:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | or do you mean antenna dBm? |
| 10:20.07 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I suspect dBi |
| 10:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | right :-D |
| 10:20.21 | jonni | antenna sensitivity |
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| 10:20.34 | dm8tbr | it's called 'gain' |
| 10:20.41 | Arie | is the N9's antenna more sensitive or the N8's? |
| 10:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | hah, good question |
| 10:21.16 | dm8tbr | they both better be around the same, because you can't cheat physics |
| 10:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | though nowadays this shouldn't really matter |
| 10:21.23 | Arie | from my personal experience the N8's is better |
| 10:21.28 | jonni | Arie: no idea, for me I havent had any problems in N9 or N8. But if your location N8 works, then most likely N8 is more sensitive. |
| 10:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | with the zillions of BTS |
| 10:21.37 | Arie | ah ok |
| 10:21.40 | dm8tbr | as in: if one has more than the antenna pattern must be narrower which isn't necessarily good |
| 10:21.56 | Arie | that's all i needed to hear, thank you jonni |
| 10:22.02 | Arie | i still perfer the N9 :) |
| 10:22.20 | dm8tbr | it's also possible that the NF of the RX chain sucks |
| 10:22.34 | dm8tbr | or that the sensitivity of the RX itself sucks |
| 10:22.47 | jonni | but ofcourse if there is 1.3 even coming, you could 1st test 001 to see if it helps before switching to 005 (other way around would get downgrade error) |
| 10:22.55 | Arie | yup |
| 10:22.57 | Arie | i realized that |
| 10:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | or that the signal meter sucks ;-D |
| 10:23.09 | Arie | there is no way to downgrade then? |
| 10:23.28 | Arie | then again how is pr001 considered a downgrade? |
| 10:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 10:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask ;-D |
| 10:24.09 | jonni | timestamps of .bin images, if 005 is generated few seconds after 001, then 001 has older timestamp. |
| 10:24.18 | Arie | ah |
| 10:24.21 | jonni | and is thus downgrade |
| 10:24.30 | Arie | 005 will always be generated after 001 |
| 10:25.26 | Arie | thank you so much jonni |
| 10:25.37 | jonni | if your nokia person you can ofcourse downgrade, but that luxery is not offered to end users. |
| 10:25.45 | Arie | yeah |
| 10:25.50 | Arie | i have realized that |
| 10:26.03 | divan | Hi all. What are the cons and pros of implementing settings dialog for app with Control Panel applet? I can't get whether it's really more useful than own implementation (with QSettings and own QML UI for example). |
| 10:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: I assume somebody at Nokia is feeling mighty proud of finally having implemented that ? |
| 10:27.09 | Arie | what i want to know is what is the value of downgrading, say beyond testing certain things? |
| 10:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | somebody probably in or near platsec |
| 10:27.55 | jonni | Arie: no value really, sometimes its usefull to test app in pr1.0 to get pass ovi store qa, but otherwise no use |
| 10:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | Arie: rollback to a working system, when the upgrade is borked - sth that of course *NEVER* happens with Nokia updates X-P |
| 10:28.55 | Arie | jonni: I wouldn't want to go back to PR1.0 anyways |
| 10:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | Arie: also developers don't need 3 or 4 or 5 devices, just to test on diferent OS versions |
| 10:29.23 | Arie | thats true |
| 10:29.35 | Arie | jonni: do you use an N9 or an N950? |
| 10:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 10:29.44 | jonni | and hopefully that pr1.0 requirement will be lifted at some point... if there is next update coming at somepoint. |
| 10:29.55 | Arie | some nokia people ive seen use N9 others prefer N950 |
| 10:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: I honestly hope it's not, as that insane policy of no downgrade keeps me from upgrading |
| 10:30.35 | Arie | really? |
| 10:30.37 | jonni | Arie: I use N9 as primary phone. and then I have few N9's and N950's for sw development. |
| 10:30.58 | Arie | may I ask why you prefer the N9 over the n950 for a primary phone? |
| 10:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe because the N950 is not THAT cute like everybody thinks |
| 10:32.07 | Arie | Yup |
| 10:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. the keyboard is abysmal |
| 10:32.09 | Arie | i know that |
| 10:32.09 | jonni | N9 is much more usable as user studies have shown that end users dont want to have hw keyboard (only very limited about of IT nerds want to have hw keyboard). |
| 10:32.21 | jonni | about=amount |
| 10:32.30 | Arie | is it just that? |
| 10:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | fsck user studies |
| 10:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | one million flies can't fail |
| 10:32.59 | jonni | heh, well and N9 has NFC, and I like to play with tags |
| 10:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | ask iPhone users if they want a kbd! |
| 10:33.26 | Arie | when I used the N950, it was horrible at keeping a 3g signal, pr1.2 beta was so slow and I was always was worried about dropping it (it was a slippery phone), also a lack of NFC |
| 10:33.28 | jonni | and I can always connect bluetooth kbd if I want |
| 10:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | ask the blind if red or green is a nicer color |
| 10:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | NFC is a valid reason |
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| 10:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | though I haven't managed to use that function a single time ever |
| 10:34.28 | Arie | get a nokia luna or a play360 |
| 10:34.56 | Arie | btw, jonni is the idea of making tags like the sony idea possible, where it changes profiles and other settings? |
| 10:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 10:35.07 | Arie | say for the car, home, or work? |
| 10:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | spend money on that thing? NEVARR! |
| 10:35.57 | jonni | Arie: its only software so its possible but not that practical, you can more easily just scan cell towers and change profiles accordingly |
| 10:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 10:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | or get micro-location via WLAN |
| 10:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | that nifty WLAN triangulation that gives sub-meter precision in buildings |
| 10:36.56 | Arie | jonni: then will the NFC be used for payments in the future or is it just put there as a test bed? |
| 10:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | depends on jonni's crystal ball |
| 10:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 10:37.42 | jonni | Arie: that depends on adaption, it can be used, but have no idea will it be used |
| 10:37.53 | Arie | so it is possible then? |
| 10:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | payment? unclear |
| 10:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly not |
| 10:38.18 | jonni | well nfc is used in bus-route payments atleas on few cities in finland |
| 10:38.26 | diorahman | Ok, I will ask the same question, what is the best way to integrate our app with accounts&sso http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/pages/Home ? |
| 10:38.27 | jonni | so its possible to use it as payment |
| 10:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but not for general micropayment |
| 10:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | as I heard the N9 NFC is lacking a feature for that |
| 10:38.56 | jonni | not going to replace money most likely :) |
| 10:39.26 | diorahman | I'm interested to build app similar with meeIn, which deploy account setup plugin to accounts-ui and CALL it from app whenever it needs it |
| 10:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | Irather see amex etc come with more credit cards with NFC built in |
| 10:40.42 | M4rtinK | I have such a card and its quite nice :) |
| 10:40.48 | Arie | yes |
| 10:40.52 | M4rtinK | much faster than normal card payments |
| 10:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | esp thru your jeans and purse ;-P |
| 10:41.15 | M4rtinK | not many shops have the the upgraded terminals for it though |
| 10:41.25 | jonni | more likely its just handy for pasting urls to device just like 3d barcodes. |
| 10:41.35 | jonni | if you dont want to use meescan |
| 10:41.36 | M4rtinK | seems to be rather short-range |
| 10:41.53 | M4rtinK | probably by design |
| 10:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | how thick is your jeans fabric? |
| 10:42.30 | M4rtinK | I'd say pretty standard |
| 10:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say well less than range of NFC |
| 10:43.08 | M4rtinK | on the other hand, someone with a stolen card reader and a directional antenna... :) |
| 10:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | or simply card reader in a suitcase |
| 10:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | and pushing you |
| 10:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you can come up with even niftier scenarios |
| 10:44.11 | M4rtinK | yeah |
| 10:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | integretad into bar seat |
| 10:44.28 | M4rtinK | at least its limited to some small sum without PIN |
| 10:44.46 | M4rtinK | and sometimes asks for PIN randomly |
| 10:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | security guy at airport with his metal detector that not really a metal detector only |
| 10:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 10:45.14 | M4rtinK | also, I hope they use some sensible PKI scheme |
| 10:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | a simple button/switch on card would've been way better |
| 10:46.02 | M4rtinK | basically like SIM cards do - so that the car reader needs to talk to an authentication server in the bank |
| 10:46.11 | M4rtinK | and also authenticate itself |
| 10:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | you could easily use solid state sensor: a capacitor you "short" with your finger |
| 10:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | M4rtinK: you bet it doesn't talk to a central auth server |
| 10:46.50 | M4rtinK | on the other hand you can just pay without opening you wallet - with all the downsides :) |
| 10:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | defeats the usecase |
| 10:47.22 | M4rtinK | well the normal terminals do |
| 10:47.30 | M4rtinK | no internet - no payments usually |
| 10:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes, as they are stationary and highpriced |
| 10:47.58 | M4rtinK | the only terminals I saw so far |
| 10:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | even there the trend goes away from online POS |
| 10:48.18 | M4rtinK | were just upgraded normal car terminals in supermarkets |
| 10:48.26 | M4rtinK | *card |
| 10:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of supermarkets here now go away from auth, and simply do 90% to 95% withdrawal |
| 10:49.25 | M4rtinK | the most important use-case right now is to speed up checkout in the supermarket queue |
| 10:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | as auth is too expensive |
| 10:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | you can tell apart when you have to remove your card before you enter the PIN |
| 10:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | I friggin ask what it does with the PIN then |
| 10:50.28 | M4rtinK | yeah, many small shops still don't do cards because of the high fees |
| 10:50.54 | M4rtinK | never seen this |
| 10:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe I'm still not awake |
| 10:51.13 | M4rtinK | the card is always in the terminal when entering the pin |
| 10:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, maybe I mixed it up with the remaining 5% where you have to REenter your card, then enter PIN |
| 10:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | they do that on random |
| 10:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | also do that when you're on their local blacklist |
| 10:52.46 | M4rtinK | interesting |
| 10:53.37 | M4rtinK | still wonder why the card processing fees are so high |
| 10:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 10:53.55 | M4rtinK | is it because they basically have a monopoly ? |
| 10:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | probably for the banks to earn money |
| 10:54.19 | M4rtinK | even if they have the best HSMs available and all the other stuff |
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| 10:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | amex takes 5% iirc |
| 10:54.28 | M4rtinK | it should have long paid for itself |
| 10:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | so why shouldn't they take some 50ct per transaction? |
| 10:55.05 | M4rtinK | well I'm I'm paying monthly for my card - that should be enough :) |
| 10:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's not how capitalism works ;-D |
| 10:55.58 | M4rtinK | the current system is also broken :) |
| 10:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | nobody ever thinks "duh, that's enough. I stop earning money with the thing" |
| 10:56.13 | M4rtinK | if it was cheaper, people would use it more |
| 10:56.23 | M4rtinK | and they would probably make more in the end |
| 10:56.44 | M4rtinK | that's the problem IMHO |
| 10:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | I bet they have really good studies for that |
| 10:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | small shops wouldn't use it when it's for free, simply due to other expense for hardware and service |
| 10:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | so probably it's already on the sweet spot with fees |
| 10:58.17 | Arie | small shops dont use amex because the fees are higher |
| 10:58.22 | Arie | vs 2-3% for amex |
| 10:58.31 | Arie | its 7-10 for amex |
| 10:58.40 | Arie | 2-3% for vias |
| 10:58.44 | Arie | *vis |
| 10:58.49 | Arie | *visa |
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| 11:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | my father always (well sometimes) used to ask "can I pay with amex or would you like to grant me 5% off?" |
| 11:11.23 | Arie | haha |
| 11:11.25 | Arie | smart man |
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| 11:18.15 | Arie | is elemental here? |
| 11:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | user? |
| 11:18.32 | Arie | yeah the user from tmo |
| 11:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen elemental |
| 11:18.51 | infobot | elemental <55d35809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.88.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 422d 14h 19m 6s ago, saying: 'And demonic too'. |
| 11:18.57 | Arie | lol |
| 11:19.10 | Arie | ~seen elemental |
| 11:19.10 | infobot | elemental <55d35809@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.88.9> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 422d 14h 19m 25s ago, saying: 'And demonic too'. |
| 11:19.16 | Arie | haha infobot is cool |
| 11:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | oops, you missed that due to your /ignore list ;-P |
| 11:20.04 | Arie | haha |
| 11:20.06 | Arie | nope saw it |
| 11:20.10 | Arie | it was cool both times |
| 11:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | seems that elemental is using webirc portal, so evidently not a frequent IRC user |
| 11:23.26 | Arie | ah ok |
| 11:23.34 | Arie | thank you |
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| 12:22.25 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: meiru seems to be stable |
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| 12:23.44 | MFaro-Tusino | how can i use aegis-exec in my desktop file to run a shell script? |
| 12:27.44 | M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: of course, but a4m does not think so :) |
| 12:27.51 | M4rtinK | 2.2.3 got somehow promoted |
| 12:28.12 | M4rtinK | but 2.2.29 is sitting in staging with 7+ votes :D |
| 12:28.23 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: ping ? :) |
| 12:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | 突發] Meltemi 將成為全新 Nokia S40, Qt Linux OS? |
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| 12:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | Meltemi 蓄勢待發？Nokia 311 和 306 配全新 S40 操作方式？ |
| 12:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 12:35.18 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org revival time? |
| 12:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 12:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | looks like swipe |
| 12:36.10 | GeneralAntilles | Need more swipe. |
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| 12:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | maemo meego meltemi MAAAN! |
| 12:37.49 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: wait, i installed stable one |
| 12:39.02 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: damn you, i can't see the version coz you don't have about |
| 12:39.16 | ZogG_laptop | =P |
| 12:39.42 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i think i know what's the problem btw |
| 12:40.20 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: maybe it think 3> than 29 |
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| 12:44.00 | M4rtinK | hope not :D |
| 12:44.12 | M4rtinK | that would be a serious oversight |
| 12:44.46 | M4rtinK | IIRC itsnotabigtruck had a 1.0 package imported in place of 1.1 |
| 12:45.12 | M4rtinK | so that is probably not the cause |
| 12:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/07/nokia-rm-714nokia-311-appears-at-fcc-full-touch-s40meltemi-with-swipe-and-multitouch/ |
| 12:49.40 | SpeedEvil | err - s40 meltmi? |
| 12:50.02 | SpeedEvil | I guess wait to see if it comes with a GPL offer |
| 12:50.46 | ZogG_laptop | gpl offer? |
| 12:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet they managed to move to some closed licence scheme for "meltemi", based on whatever ripped BSD/pseudo-linux/$other-*nix |
| 12:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | just again "for differentiation" |
| 12:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | the mixed mode (open kernel with blobs on top) didn't really pan out, so wit a choice of going full open or all closed, they most likely picked the latter |
| 13:01.30 | Corsac | sorry but I can't see meltemi anywhere in the fcc docs |
| 13:04.31 | MFaro-Tusino | its the manuals that infer to it more than anything |
| 13:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! 163pp SAR report? https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1666791 |
| 13:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | the whole thing feels a bit hollow, for news |
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| 13:36.05 | Elleo | http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/04/07/statusnet-for-meego-0-2/ <-- supports most basic stuff you'd expect now |
| 13:37.38 | rzr | cool |
| 13:46.05 | ZogG_laptop | yay, another good app on the way to a4m |
| 13:47.07 | Elleo | :) |
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| 13:55.52 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: wasnot refering to this, but if you add this it would be «yay, 2 another good apps on the way to a4m » |
| 14:00.56 | Elleo | ah, heh |
| 14:01.19 | Elleo | waiting until a few people have had a chance to test the new version before submitting it to a4m |
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| 14:10.48 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: there is testing in a4m |
| 14:10.57 | ZogG_laptop | so you can get community QA |
| 14:11.16 | ZogG_laptop | so you better go for testing there |
| 14:18.29 | Elleo | ah, okay |
| 14:21.59 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: are you relative to Sheldon Cooper btw? |
| 14:22.01 | ZogG_laptop | =P |
| 14:22.09 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: afraid not |
| 14:22.19 | Elleo | made a submit request for a4m testing now though :) |
| 14:23.37 | ZogG_laptop | good |
| 14:23.43 | ZogG_laptop | bad i don't use identica |
| 14:24.00 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: did you integrate it to feed screen? |
| 14:24.32 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yep, that was the first thing I did :) |
| 14:24.40 | Elleo | then the main app stuff came later |
| 14:24.51 | Elleo | since it was mostly from the feed screen that I wanted to use it |
| 14:27.43 | ZogG_laptop | btw did you use builtin account? |
| 14:32.33 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: ^ |
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| 14:49.56 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: you mean the accounts system? no |
| 14:50.22 | Elleo | I had a look at that, but it seemed to be a massive headache and not especially documented (although someone managed to setup a custom XMPP account thing) |
| 14:52.51 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: that's what i'm trying to do now |
| 14:54.47 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: https://gitorious.org/xmpp-accounts/xmpp-accounts <-- is the custom xmpp accounts thing that Aard did, might be of some help to you |
| 14:55.30 | ZogG_laptop | i saw it |
| 15:00.27 | Aard | Elleo: if you stick to meegotouch the account system is quite easy to manage. the big stunt in my case was that I wanted to test doing the accounts page in qml embedded in the page provided by the accounts-framework |
| 15:00.53 | Elleo | Aard: I was trying to stick to python + qml for my thing |
| 15:01.16 | Aard | well, wrong language, wrong technique ;) |
| 15:01.21 | Elleo | although I ended up having to deviate slightly from that for the syncfw plugin |
| 15:01.58 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: yeah, that's what i want |
| 15:02.01 | Aard | the current ui-stuff from the accounts is from before the switch to qml was made -> you're supposed to use meegotouch. other methods work, with different levels of hacking |
| 15:02.12 | Elleo | ah |
| 15:02.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: concerning AFM |
| 15:02.36 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: i want to use native, the one twitter uses, but got lost there |
| 15:02.38 | itsnotabigtruck | it's because the system assumes that you won't ever upload a new version of a package unless the last one got 6 approvals |
| 15:02.43 | itsnotabigtruck | which makes no sense when you think about it |
| 15:02.46 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: i tried to use your code btw |
| 15:03.13 | Aard | the documentation really sucks, though, so you'd have to read the sources (quite a lot of the accounts-stuff is public), and the headers for the nokia-accounts stuff |
| 15:03.23 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: but M4rtinK has newer version there |
| 15:03.34 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: heh, i tried to figure out how the gui works but got mired in all the opaque undocumented accounts-ui stuff |
| 15:03.40 | Aard | ZogG_laptop: with my code you can just replace the part where I set the qml player with meegotouch code, and you're good to go |
| 15:04.02 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: any idea if there's any "trick" the native plugins use to generate their ui |
| 15:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | what about that advanced settings button on the sip plugin |
| 15:04.11 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: i'm new to qt and programming at all, so it's hard for me. and i don't want to use simple password/username account |
| 15:04.14 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: it's easier when don't have to rely on public information only ;) |
| 15:04.45 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i think they take it from provider file |
| 15:04.50 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: right, he uploaded 2 versions to testing without the 1st being approved |
| 15:04.59 | Aard | the native plugins are a big mess of meegotouch-code, around a similar base like I used |
| 15:05.05 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: check the provider file there, there are also conf and css files |
| 15:05.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nothing in the provider file |
| 15:05.26 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: one is approved |
| 15:05.34 | itsnotabigtruck | also i tried to use the declarative ui in the services file |
| 15:05.40 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing they didn't really finish that |
| 15:05.43 | itsnotabigtruck | no wonder nothing uses it |
| 15:05.58 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: non of the nokia-provided plugins I'm aware of uses qml |
| 15:06.22 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: this isn't that complicated, read what i said |
| 15:06.35 | itsnotabigtruck | what happened was, upload v1 -> approved, upload v2, upload v3 -> approved |
| 15:06.49 | itsnotabigtruck | the system promoted v2 instead of v3 because it was the last one that wasn't approved |
| 15:07.18 | itsnotabigtruck | which makes no sense but that's the bug |
| 15:07.47 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: it looks like the ovi plugin uses qml |
| 15:08.07 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: on symbian =) |
| 15:09.12 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: so you used native account ui? |
| 15:10.02 | Aard | ZogG_laptop: I used native account-ui and just set a qml-player as the main widget |
| 15:11.24 | ZogG_laptop | Aard: where can i read what i should get from account-ui and what should i pass to it? |
| 15:12.21 | itsnotabigtruck | they really should have open sourced the account plugins :| at least a few of them to at least provide some sort of example |
| 15:12.54 | itsnotabigtruck | no docs wouldn't even be so bad if the whole thing wasn't a ridiculous infinitely complicated mess |
| 15:13.10 | Aard | ZogG_laptop: like I said, use the source. there's a bit of interesting stuff in libaccounts-ui |
| 15:14.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, but a lot of that stuff seems to be clutter from the aborted declarative ui stuff |
| 15:14.52 | ZogG_laptop | frals, ^ maybe some examples? |
| 15:15.52 | itsnotabigtruck | well anyway, Aard: here's some icons |
| 15:16.47 | itsnotabigtruck | https://minus.com/mbhTRfEJis/ |
| 15:17.09 | itsnotabigtruck | those should be named icon-m-service-xmpp.png and icon-s-service-xmpp.png |
| 15:18.18 | itsnotabigtruck | also, i attempted to get credential storage through signon working, but it produced a weird error in the syslog during logon then displayed incorrect password |
| 15:18.46 | itsnotabigtruck | Apr 6 22:44:30 (2012) telepathy-sasl-signon[8182]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_hash_table_unref: assertion `hash_table != NULL' failed |
| 15:19.24 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: maybe you'd know more about how that mechanism is supposed to work? i'm pretty sure google accounts use it so it has to be theoretically possible, as long as it isn't totally google specific |
| 15:20.09 | itsnotabigtruck | the icon-m-service-xmpp is also intended for use as the appmanager icon |
| 15:20.22 | Aard | thanks for the icons, I'll replace mine later |
| 15:20.48 | Aard | I need to check about the accounts storage, I had some code for that, but not sure where |
| 15:22.31 | itsnotabigtruck | i didn't create a new aegis credential for storing the password, i wonder if that's the problem |
| 15:23.31 | itsnotabigtruck | also, is there some reason you refer to ClientLogon in many places |
| 15:23.45 | itsnotabigtruck | that seems to be a google-proprietary method of verifying auth credentials |
| 15:32.18 | ZogG_laptop | i don't think it's google related |
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| 17:10.44 | ZogG_laptop | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libaccountsetup&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJhY2NvdW50c2V0dXA%3D |
| 17:10.58 | ZogG_laptop | nice 404 on harmattan ai documentation |
| 17:12.08 | phako | works here |
| 17:12.30 | phako | oh, you mean the plugin-guide |
| 17:13.48 | phako | ZogG_laptop: https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/libaccounts-ui/blobs/master/lib/doc/src/plugin-guide.dox |
| 17:17.04 | itsnotabigtruck | phako: might you know why <method name="sasl" token="xmpp-accounts::xmpp-access" /> seems to fail right off the bat |
| 17:17.26 | itsnotabigtruck | name="password" works, but then telepathy-sasl-signon bombs out when it's time to connect |
| 17:17.45 | phako | er no. |
| 17:19.04 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 17:19.17 | itsnotabigtruck | just checking on the off chance you knew about signon |
| 17:19.20 | itsnotabigtruck | seems like no one does |
| 17:20.29 | phako | wonder where mardy disappeared to. |
| 17:20.53 | ZogG_laptop | as he says he is not in this for a while and other people continued it |
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| 17:30.56 | jonni | heh, just coded me a small perl script, which fetched all the deb packages of the ovi softwares that i've installed, so on next reinstall I can just cp *.deb and dpkg -i *.deb :) |
| 17:31.13 | jonni | got tired for clicking apps one by one on each reinstall :) |
| 17:39.59 | pa | thats a good one.. |
| 17:40.06 | pa | is it available anywhere? |
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| 18:07.31 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: and one time you wouldn't be able to download coz it's limited to 5 times only =) |
| 18:07.55 | teleshoes | what what what |
| 18:08.17 | jonni | thats only for paid content before you need to replay, free content you can download as many times you want |
| 18:08.25 | jonni | repay even |
| 18:08.27 | teleshoes | i do what jonni does all the time, and im extremely worried |
| 18:08.34 | teleshoes | oh cool |
| 18:08.41 | dm8tbr | oho |
| 18:08.55 | dm8tbr | jonni: also applies to updates? |
| 18:09.47 | jonni | dm8tbr: dont know, havent looked the sources if counter resets on update |
| 18:10.01 | javispedro | are you limited to 5 downloads in ovi store? O.o |
| 18:10.14 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: free is free, the problem is i don't want to pay over9000 times for one thing |
| 18:10.26 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: yes |
| 18:10.42 | jonni | javispedro: no, you are limited to 5 redownloads of your paid content (like 1euro before it asks again for payment, for next 5 downloads) |
| 18:12.23 | jonni | (counter measuremnt for people who share their ovi store account, ie 10 different phones and users use same ovi account, only 5 of them can install the paid app). |
| 18:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 18:14.03 | javispedro | jonni: where is this documented? |
| 18:14.18 | jonni | (or like I have 4x N9 and 5x N950 and I'm using same ovi account for all of them, I cannot install paid app to all my _own_ phones) |
| 18:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | so this means I must reflash only 5 times? Exert yourself, Nokia! |
| 18:15.02 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: well you can always make backup of the deb that you installed |
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| 18:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'll for sure be pissed when in a year all my apps refuse to install, after I had to reflash the 6th time |
| 18:15.42 | javispedro | I am pissed already |
| 18:15.57 | ZogG_laptop | lol you didn't know? |
| 18:16.07 | javispedro | pissed enough to sent threatening emails to whoever is behind the support address |
| 18:16.08 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: what stops to use IMEI to check? |
| 18:16.20 | javispedro | because, oh, even in the FAQ it says I will be able to redownload as many times as I want |
| 18:16.39 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: you would be if you pay again =P |
| 18:17.52 | javispedro | (translation): "What happens if I buy a new phone or for some other reason lose my current downloads from the Nokia Store? "... When you login to the Nokia Store using your new phone, and if the content is still available and compatible, you will be able to download it _for free_". |
| 18:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | _available_ X-P |
| 18:18.55 | jonni | well you can always contact ovi store support, they will help you to get it for free most likely, its just a countermeasure for abusers |
| 18:19.55 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: IMEI? |
| 18:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | cherry, aegis, ovistore. Nokia Nokia tztztz |
| 18:20.23 | ZogG_laptop | cherry? |
| 18:20.28 | ZogG_laptop | i like cherry, it's tasty |
| 18:20.38 | javispedro | well, this only goes to reinforce the feeling that the ovistore is a complete waste of time... |
| 18:20.40 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: can you add SM and WP7 to this list |
| 18:21.28 | ZogG_laptop | i think we should make like a4m but for paid stuff (like cydia for iOS) |
| 18:21.35 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: well as download urls are just clearttext and authentication is just passed as argument, so it can be faked. |
| 18:21.38 | ZogG_laptop | when authors can profit but respect users |
| 18:22.10 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: than check it on phone as well before install |
| 18:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | and not to forget: less than 2 years of support for RX-51 n900, so not even fulfilling warranty obligations, not to mention reasonably expectable LTS for a device of that price |
| 18:22.31 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: as well as it's only url i can download deb and pirate it, so who is stupid here =) |
| 18:22.49 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: yes, would be possible if ovi store would generate custom deb package per imei, but it doesnt |
| 18:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | just for that some class action in USA should sue their ass outa the water |
| 18:22.56 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: haha n9 is less than 2 years and what? |
| 18:24.45 | RST38h | Doc: Willing to guess how long Lumia 800 will be supported? |
| 18:25.03 | jonni | well as nokia is not selling N9 in usa, and you can get your apps for free from support |
| 18:26.48 | javispedro | and the frigging ovistore comments form has a character count limit |
| 18:27.06 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: the way the download limit is implemented is absolutely unacceptable, pirate countermeasure or not |
| 18:27.22 | itsnotabigtruck | it could have been implemented so many other ways, but as it stands it backfires for a huge number of users |
| 18:27.32 | jonni | well touch luck, normal end users never will notice it |
| 18:27.35 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. 5 downloads a month |
| 18:27.36 | javispedro | short enough I filled it already in the few minutes since I started ranting, and I was using the vkb =) |
| 18:27.46 | itsnotabigtruck | then you haven't been paying attention |
| 18:27.59 | itsnotabigtruck | failed downloads count against the limit |
| 18:28.07 | itsnotabigtruck | and the broken ovi store client fails a lot |
| 18:28.12 | teleshoes | the problem |
| 18:28.17 | teleshoes | is that 5dl/mo |
| 18:28.23 | teleshoes | only stops normal users |
| 18:28.31 | teleshoes | people who arent trying to, er, pirate, apps |
| 18:28.35 | teleshoes | its absolutely retarded |
| 18:28.40 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing too |
| 18:28.47 | itsnotabigtruck | it's trivial to obtain a deb for a paid app |
| 18:28.56 | teleshoes | under no circumstances does it prevent piracy |
| 18:28.59 | itsnotabigtruck | the limit only kicks in on normal users |
| 18:29.02 | teleshoes | yep |
| 18:29.16 | jonni | normals users only reflash phone once per PR release, and with ota they dont neet to reinstall, limit never kicks in for normal user who down use flasher |
| 18:29.25 | jonni | dont even |
| 18:29.30 | javispedro | even better, the contact form on the ovistore doesn't even actually work, |
| 18:29.38 | javispedro | . |
| 18:29.48 | teleshoes | jonni: no, if youre on shoddy internet, the first time you try to buy the app and install it, |
| 18:29.51 | teleshoes | you can get screwed |
| 18:30.03 | teleshoes | being a normal-user-on-a-train |
| 18:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | we seen exactly same retarded "only forces loyal users to act like pirates" brainfuck from nokia before. I just can't recall when and on what topic |
| 18:31.41 | javispedro | or just someone who uninstalls -> reinstalls stuff to avoid filling / |
| 18:32.01 | teleshoes | oh yea |
| 18:32.02 | teleshoes | that too |
| 18:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly what I do all the time (though not on crappy HARM). install apps "on the fly" as I'm always online and don't need all that crap on my storage |
| 18:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | this braindead policy effectively defeats this usage pattern |
| 18:33.58 | teleshoes | mm |
| 18:34.03 | teleshoes | what about updates to paid apps |
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| 18:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | btw all this sounds strangely familiar to me, from psycromoft |
| 18:36.03 | javispedro | Not even them have this stupid limitation |
| 18:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | ooh they have |
| 18:36.14 | javispedro | well, or so I think, it could also be hidden |
| 18:36.24 | javispedro | hidden from even the _terms_ |
| 18:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | after 5 to 10 installes you suddenly see "invalid key, please contact service: <phone number>" |
| 18:37.16 | javispedro | ah, activation |
| 18:37.32 | javispedro | (I was thinking about the lumia store) |
| 18:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | the "service" when told you're testing installations on your machine, will lift the limitation |
| 18:37.59 | teleshoes | im gonna give this one last shot: does anyone here know how to adjust the media volume, the one in the status area, from the command line |
| 18:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 18:38.46 | teleshoes | i tried: phonon, qt mobility, pa_cvolume, pacmd/alsamixer/amixer |
| 18:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | on fremantle it's been a gconf key afaik |
| 18:38.59 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: but the ms activation setup doesn't have a hard install limit |
| 18:39.15 | teleshoes | couldnt find an api for it anywhere, or any dbus calls, or anything |
| 18:39.23 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: it's true they do have a soft one like he said |
| 18:39.25 | itsnotabigtruck | if you install every few months it works every time pretty much |
| 18:39.40 | javispedro | they require you to phone call |
| 18:39.45 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: well, not just that |
| 18:39.48 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean that time is a factor too |
| 18:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | just hopes for the ultimate shitstorm against Nokia. They've "done evil" one time too often - maybe already two times |
| 18:40.49 | itsnotabigtruck | well, that's the thing, with nokia it's usually not evil but stupid |
| 18:41.00 | teleshoes | lil bit a both |
| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | teleshoes: you heard my comment? |
| 18:41.14 | teleshoes | fremantle gconfkey? |
| 18:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:41.47 | teleshoes | i srsly doubt it, but i actually havent checked there |
| 18:41.48 | itsnotabigtruck | also if anybody's ever used signon with sasl let me know |
| 18:41.48 | teleshoes | thx |
| 18:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | teleshoes: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume |
| 18:42.41 | teleshoes | yea theres no mafw on harmattan afaik |
| 18:43.44 | javispedro | there's certainly mafw and that's the way to do it |
| 18:43.46 | itsnotabigtruck | did N900 allow for generic xmpp accounts? |
| 18:43.50 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: yes |
| 18:44.04 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: hm, how much of the accounts framework stuff was there before |
| 18:44.06 | teleshoes | o man, javispedro, thanks for the tip, ill look into it |
| 18:44.22 | itsnotabigtruck | does it have anything like service/provider files |
| 18:44.42 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: for all I know, all of it, but never done anything with accounts |
| 18:45.28 | itsnotabigtruck | hm, probably not, that part was invented for meego |
| 18:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:45.53 | javispedro | libaccounts? |
| 18:45.56 | itsnotabigtruck | but it did have signon, i think |
| 18:46.06 | javispedro | I think it's the opposite |
| 18:46.11 | javispedro | libaccounts was in diablo even |
| 18:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what in javispedro's affirmation counts as a tip |
| 18:46.51 | teleshoes | javispedro, i cant find a dbus service for it |
| 18:47.15 | teleshoes | qdbus --system | grep -i mafw |
| 18:48.23 | javispedro | _session_ |
| 18:48.39 | teleshoes | nope |
| 18:48.45 | javispedro | I am looking at it. |
| 18:48.52 | teleshoes | oh cool! |
| 18:48.59 | teleshoes | i dunno why i dont see it |
| 18:49.25 | teleshoes | im doin: qdbus --session | grep -i mafw |
| 18:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | what does qdbus? |
| 18:50.21 | javispedro | is getting enraged as I'm trying to find a contact address for store complains. I've found the address where I can request Patent Licensing Requests but no Ovi Store complains |
| 18:50.30 | teleshoes | qdbus prints all the services that are active |
| 18:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 18:50.42 | javispedro | ah, active? |
| 18:50.51 | teleshoes | ahh |
| 18:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | the service is only active during audio playback afaik |
| 18:50.55 | teleshoes | i see |
| 18:50.55 | javispedro | com.nokia.mafw.plugin.libqmafw_gst_renderer_plugin |
| 18:51.05 | javispedro | just introspect it and it should launch |
| 18:51.06 | teleshoes | so like, thanks a ton |
| 18:53.52 | javispedro | qdbus com.nokia.mafw.renderer.MafwGstRendererPlugin.mafw_gst_renderer /com/n |
| 18:53.53 | javispedro | okia/mafw/renderer/mafw_gst_renderer set_extension_property volume 60 |
| 18:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: deliver by papermail, wrapped around a bunkerbuster |
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| 18:55.20 | teleshoes | ehh |
| 18:55.21 | teleshoes | Cannot find '.set_extension_property' in object /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/mafw_gst_renderer at com.nokia.mafw.renderer.MafwGstRendererPlugin.mafw_gst_renderer |
| 18:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | or start sueing them for not offering proper impressum info right away |
| 18:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | rather for intentional fraud |
| 18:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | as they not only rip you off with download limit but also intentionally hide their contact so you can't complain |
| 18:57.18 | javispedro | it's fun that there's a link on the support.ovi.com precisely for "I cannot download content I already paid for". |
| 18:57.20 | javispedro | the link takes me... |
| 18:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | in EU this might suffice to get the cuffs for some fool in there |
| 18:57.31 | javispedro | to Nokia Maps |
| 18:57.55 | javispedro | to the Nokia Maps frontpage, showing a map of a city I don't even know. |
| 18:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, well designed text dungeaon |
| 18:58.22 | javispedro | https://www.ovi.com/services/support/care |
| 18:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | to repell any potential troublemaker |
| 18:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | you hardly can assume they are well intentioned |
| 18:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | and all this only by a big "oops we're such fools" |
| 18:59.43 | javispedro | well I'm a big fan of Hanlon's Razor |
| 18:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | which is? |
| 19:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | (too lazy to google) |
| 19:00.10 | javispedro | Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence |
| 19:00.19 | teleshoes | heh |
| 19:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | this CAN NOT explained by incompetence |
| 19:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | *if* this was incompetence, then they'd be guilty and to be sued just for that, and the sentence would be higher than for fraud :-D |
| 19:07.11 | javispedro | well, lots of hops indeed, but I got to it |
| 19:07.26 | teleshoes | i just dont see what im doing wrong here |
| 19:07.39 | javispedro | used this ( http://support.ovi.com/osc/en_US/contactus/formsubmit ) |
| 19:07.59 | javispedro | teleshoes: launch the media player and retry |
| 19:08.20 | javispedro | probably need to understand how qmafw autospawns itself to reproduce it via a simple qdbus call |
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| 19:09.06 | teleshoes | fuck |
| 19:09.09 | teleshoes | thanks SO MUCH |
| 19:09.21 | teleshoes | works beautifully with music-suite running |
| 19:09.36 | teleshoes | now, i just have to investigate what you said, spawning qmafw |
| 19:12.27 | javispedro | you can also certainly use alsa, but there are different mixer levels depending on headphones,s peakers, etc. |
| 19:12.31 | javispedro | *mixer settings |
| 19:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-04-07 20:50:54] <DocScrutinizer> the service is only active during audio playback afaik |
| 19:13.32 | teleshoes | i want to have the volume slider move |
| 19:13.53 | teleshoes | and this appears to be the only way |
| 19:14.14 | teleshoes | to tell sysuid about it |
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| 19:19.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: touché :) |
| 19:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | still wonders how to adjust standard aka default aka master level - the one that's changed when NO sound gets played |
| 19:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, the "slider" is a strange chimera anyway |
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| 19:51.02 | teleshoes | music-suites totally closed, right? |
| 19:58.24 | itsnotabigtruck | https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-rtcom/tp-dbg/blobs/master/tp-dbg |
| 19:58.26 | itsnotabigtruck | this could be useful |
| 20:08.26 | teleshoes | anyone know if qmafw-gui open source? |
| 20:11.37 | itsnotabigtruck | afraid not |
| 20:11.41 | teleshoes | damn |
| 20:12.11 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83503 |
| 20:12.17 | itsnotabigtruck | lmfao @ op and his/her images |
| 20:12.27 | teleshoes | heh |
| 20:13.30 | itsnotabigtruck | argh, i still haven't received teh karma transfer on maemo.org |
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| 20:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | epic thread |
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| 20:44.55 | rnovacek | hello, I have problem. Calling method queryIdentities on instance SignOn::AuthService emits this error "Client has insuficient permissions to access the service.Method:queryIdentities" |
| 20:45.26 | rnovacek | I'm guessing that Aegis is the cause of the problem |
| 20:45.53 | rnovacek | but I'm not able to figure out what to write to .aegis file |
| 20:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | hm |
| 20:47.03 | piggz | how would i find out what dbus signal occurs when there is an email notification? |
| 20:47.31 | piggz | (i want to add a feature to mbwatchlink) |
| 20:47.37 | itsnotabigtruck | rnovacek: one thing you might have to do is |
| 20:48.29 | itsnotabigtruck | <provides><credential name="sso-encryption-token" /></provides><request><credential name="sso-encryption-token" /><for path="signon::/usr/bin/signond" /><for path="yourapp" /></request> |
| 20:49.06 | itsnotabigtruck | also it's possible to make it so that a given identity can only be accessed with a particular aegis token |
| 20:49.11 | itsnotabigtruck | which would be set when the identity is put in |
| 20:49.45 | itsnotabigtruck | btw are you using signon-saslplugin, and if so, do you know of any tricks to getting it working |
| 20:51.20 | rnovacek | itsnotabigtruck: that snippet results to: "Package todoread: <for> refers to 'signon::/usr/bin/signond', not installed by that package -- ignored" |
| 20:51.53 | rnovacek | itsnotabigtruck: I'm not using signon-saslplugin |
| 20:52.38 | rnovacek | I have a simple provider using signon-plugins |
| 20:53.40 | rnovacek | and I need to read password stored when registering to account |
| 20:54.55 | itsnotabigtruck | rnovacek: whoops, my typo |
| 20:55.00 | itsnotabigtruck | signond |
| 20:55.06 | itsnotabigtruck | not signon:: |
| 20:57.06 | rnovacek | itsnotabigtruck: now it's "Package todoread: request 'sso-encryption-token' ignored -- credential is not defined" |
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| 21:59.34 | itsnotabigtruck | rnovacek: did you put the provides part in |
| 21:59.38 | itsnotabigtruck | because if not it's definitely not gonna work |
| 22:02.43 | itsnotabigtruck | crap |
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| 22:15.46 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, so about that build script :p |
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| 22:15.58 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: lol |
| 22:17.24 | Arie | MohammadAG: does this mean we'll have an led event notifier script soon? |
| 22:17.41 | itsnotabigtruck | Arie: it already exists but has some problems unless it's been improved recently |
| 22:17.45 | MohammadAG | Totally unrelated |
| 22:17.53 | MohammadAG | Not much time reall |
| 22:17.54 | MohammadAG | y |
| 22:18.01 | MohammadAG | and I barely sleep now, for some reason |
| 22:18.15 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: i have some work to do this weekend and other stuff like inception and xmpp plugin has my attention :( |
| 22:18.42 | MohammadAG | take your time, I'll be looking at the lumia tomorrow |
| 22:18.44 | Arie | MohammadAG: that sucks |
| 22:18.46 | MohammadAG | should be getting it |
| 22:19.11 | Arie | MohammadAG: lumia 900 or 800? |
| 22:19.33 | Arie | and didn't nokia send you one as part of launchpad developer program? |
| 22:19.39 | MohammadAG | 800, unless DDP messed up |
| 22:19.50 | MohammadAG | yes, Israel's so awesome that I'm getting it tomrrow |
| 22:19.51 | SpeedEvil | Has any progress been made on rooting the 800? |
| 22:19.54 | MohammadAG | tomrrow* |
| 22:19.57 | MohammadAG | tomorrow* ffs |
| 22:20.07 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: hahahhhah. They don't seem to improve with practice do they. |
| 22:20.08 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:20.21 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, I had to get a certificate made for the device |
| 22:20.29 | MohammadAG | FCC-like shit |
| 22:20.31 | SpeedEvil | WTF |
| 22:20.50 | MohammadAG | they asked for radio and modem specs |
| 22:21.00 | Arie | MohammadAG: to use your own apps you had to get a certificate? |
| 22:21.01 | MohammadAG | modem is a radio in my book, but yeah... |
| 22:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | phaser |
| 22:21.12 | MohammadAG | Arie, no, to get the phone into Israel |
| 22:21.36 | MohammadAG | I also had to get a signed document from one operator that I may use the device under their network |
| 22:21.44 | MohammadAG | but I just I'm not putting a sim in it, and that worked |
| 22:21.45 | MohammadAG | cough |
| 22:22.22 | Arie | lol |
| 22:22.23 | itsnotabigtruck | wtf :/ |
| 22:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 22:22.43 | itsnotabigtruck | doesn't israel have some sort of certification logo or something |
| 22:22.51 | itsnotabigtruck | like the fcc logo |
| 22:22.57 | MohammadAG | think so |
| 22:23.04 | MohammadAG | but seriously, they can certify my ass |
| 22:23.08 | Arie | MohammadAG: I am amused at the nonsense about that, don't they realize it's just a Nokia phone? |
| 22:23.16 | MohammadAG | the second N950 I got needed that certificate |
| 22:23.27 | MohammadAG | nokia asked for it back and sent a third one, and they didn't ask for a cert |
| 22:23.27 | itsnotabigtruck | the about page on the N9 has something like two dozen certifications shown |
| 22:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | what are they gonna do when I travel to IL for holiday, with some exotic shit like neo FR ? :-o |
| 22:23.38 | MohammadAG | Arie, apparently it's the first one to enter the country |
| 22:23.49 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure Nokia Israel has one |
| 22:23.55 | MohammadAG | as well as some devs on twitter |
| 22:24.12 | MohammadAG | Israel's security is fun |
| 22:24.29 | MohammadAG | especially when security asks you if you have a weapon on you |
| 22:24.41 | Arie | So wierd, it's a Nokia windows phone not a bomb |
| 22:24.45 | MohammadAG | if I had one and I wasn't allowed to, why the fuck would I answer yes |
| 22:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, look at my dick! |
| 22:25.08 | MohammadAG | Arie, you never know, my guitar amplifier was labeled as an explosive once |
| 22:25.19 | MohammadAG | WARNING! EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS or such |
| 22:25.33 | Arie | MohammadAG: lmao |
| 22:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | incredible idiots |
| 22:25.41 | Arie | a guitar amp |
| 22:25.48 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 22:25.56 | MohammadAG | explosives have gain and volume now |
| 22:26.02 | Arie | lol |
| 22:26.35 | Arie | how come nokia didnt send one to israel to get tested before? |
| 22:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | esp since I'm sure there's no other country that'd need less to import explosives in amps |
| 22:27.10 | Arie | lol |
| 22:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | probably you can find sufficient ammo to build a bomb on a sunday walk, in some parts *inside* IL |
| 22:28.07 | MohammadAG | there's a perfectly good nuclear plant waiting for my lighter in Haifa |
| 22:28.27 | MohammadAG | but hey, that's no bomb |
| 22:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | depends on how you arrange the critical masses |
| 22:29.02 | MohammadAG | even their driving rules are getting ridiculous |
| 22:29.07 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: it might be so they can get you for perjury if you say no |
| 22:29.25 | MohammadAG | I so wanna be a police man so I can cross a red light without getting a ticket |
| 22:29.26 | itsnotabigtruck | it's like the boxes on gun transaction records asking if you're insane and whatnot |
| 22:29.37 | Arie | haha, less bomb conversations more harmattan conversations :p |
| 22:29.44 | itsnotabigtruck | and customs declarations and stuff like that |
| 22:29.51 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, I always answer yes and they laugh |
| 22:29.54 | MohammadAG | so... |
| 22:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's just so they don't shoot colleagues immediately, if they search for weapons after they asked |
| 22:31.57 | Arie | lol, they shoot anyways, it doesn;'t matter much |
| 22:32.37 | MohammadAG | the army's mostly 18-23 |
| 22:33.15 | Arie | is military service mandatory in il? |
| 22:33.31 | MohammadAG | for Israelis yes |
| 22:33.40 | MohammadAG | failure to do so = jail time for some long time |
| 22:33.52 | MohammadAG | driving without a license = 3 years of jail time |
| 22:33.56 | SpeedEvil | - where that may include people who were born there, but moved away as children. IIRC |
| 22:34.15 | Arie | so its like iran |
| 22:34.24 | MohammadAG | arabs carrying an Israeli passport have to afaik |
| 22:34.31 | MohammadAG | though some of them don't |
| 22:34.35 | Arie | can you buy yourself out of military service? |
| 22:34.49 | Arie | or can it be deferred because of college? |
| 22:34.52 | MohammadAG | some girl proved she was insane in court |
| 22:34.59 | MohammadAG | no, you can defer college though |
| 22:35.12 | MohammadAG | that's why I'm 18, and the rest are 23-30 in my class at uni |
| 22:35.21 | Arie | ah, so it cant be bought at college? |
| 22:35.25 | Arie | lol |
| 22:35.34 | Arie | i mean it cant be bought? |
| 22:35.35 | MohammadAG | no, you have to serve at the army if you're Israeli |
| 22:35.45 | Arie | ah, are you israeli? |
| 22:35.54 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 22:36.07 | Arie | nice |
| 22:36.10 | merlin1991 | Arie: if he were he'd be 23-30 like the other in his class :D |
| 22:36.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:36.23 | Arie | lol, you never know |
| 22:36.36 | Arie | in other countries you can buy it afaik |
| 22:36.43 | Arie | or you can defer it |
| 22:36.45 | MohammadAG | Arie, most arabs in Palestine don't have an Israeli passport |
| 22:36.49 | MohammadAG | or a Palestinian one |
| 22:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, if I had not smoked, I'd already be 10 years older |
| 22:36.59 | Arie | iran and turkey being examplea |
| 22:37.03 | MohammadAG | I have a Jordanian temporary passport, so I'm not actually jordanian |
| 22:37.03 | Arie | examples* |
| 22:37.13 | Arie | oh |
| 22:37.18 | MohammadAG | in short, my nationality, legally at least, is unknown |
| 22:37.27 | Arie | then where are you from originally? |
| 22:37.28 | MohammadAG | but I'm not* |
| 22:37.31 | MohammadAG | Jerusalem |
| 22:37.43 | MohammadAG | it's a messed up situation really |
| 22:37.54 | Arie | it sounds like it |
| 22:38.10 | itsnotabigtruck | :/ bad situation |
| 22:38.13 | Arie | so technically you are an israeli, but you're not? |
| 22:38.13 | MohammadAG | Palestinians in Palestinian territories have a Palestinian passport |
| 22:38.16 | itsnotabigtruck | does that interfere with getting a job? |
| 22:38.19 | MohammadAG | Israelis have an Israeli passport |
| 22:38.34 | MohammadAG | we have a temp jo one, making us a null nationality |
| 22:38.35 | Arie | hmmm, nice |
| 22:38.38 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, no |
| 22:38.54 | Arie | i dont think its like the us in that regard |
| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | sucks for travel, I bet |
| 22:39.06 | Arie | well |
| 22:39.13 | Arie | from what i understand |
| 22:39.14 | MohammadAG | and by the number of BMWs and Audis in Jerusalem lately, I'd say jobs are going well for some people |
| 22:39.18 | Arie | it d |
| 22:39.21 | Arie | oes |
| 22:39.29 | Arie | lol |
| 22:39.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hah |
| 22:39.39 | MohammadAG | the only country I don't need a visa for is Jordan |
| 22:39.52 | MohammadAG | Israeli passport carries only need a Visa for the US |
| 22:40.07 | Arie | hmmm |
| 22:40.10 | MohammadAG | it's like a US passport minus the US |
| 22:40.44 | Arie | sounds cool |
| 22:41.07 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, israel isn't in the visa waiver program? |
| 22:41.58 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like visa waiver = most of europe, jp, au, nz, sk, a couple others only |
| 22:42.14 | MohammadAG | afaik it's all countries but the US |
| 22:42.41 | itsnotabigtruck | i meant countries that the US waives the visa requirement for |
| 22:42.50 | itsnotabigtruck | rather than countries that waive the visa requirement with an IL passport |
| 22:42.59 | merlin1991 | just read the visa requirements for austria |
| 22:43.01 | merlin1991 | quite insane |
| 22:43.21 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: did you buy bt headphones? |
| 22:43.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, no, got a pair of AKG K518LE phones |
| 22:44.39 | MohammadAG | which are awesome tbh |
| 22:47.00 | merlin1991 | hm according to some shady page I need no visa at all to enter israel |
| 22:48.48 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: where are you from? |
| 22:49.16 | merlin1991 | austria (no kangaroos) |
| 22:50.07 | ZogG_laptop | no kangaroos at all? |
| 22:50.18 | ZogG_laptop | btw what lang you speak there? |
| 22:51.56 | merlin1991 | several kinds of german which the average german would not understand :D |
| 22:53.06 | merlin1991 | also yes no kangaroos at all, the alps are not exactly a friendly environment for them |
| 22:53.45 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: They have the large-footed kangaroo though. |
| 22:54.04 | SpeedEvil | Its huge snow-shoe like foot is ideal for bounding over snow in search of its natural prey. |
| 22:54.53 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: i know the difference between austria and australia, but i thought you have at least one kangooroo too |
| 22:55.07 | merlin1991 | nope not even in a zoo afaik |
| 22:55.31 | merlin1991 | we've got pandas in vienna though xD |
| 23:04.53 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: pandas > kangaroo |
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| 23:15.39 | AndrewX192 | Anyone have ideas on how to restore from a .backup/*/* manually? |
| 23:15.47 | AndrewX192 | (I'm after restoring my wireless networks) |
| 23:17.58 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: My Nokia Store finally works after reflashing |
| 23:19.33 | merlin1991 | AndrewX192: no idea about the wireless networks |
| 23:19.44 | merlin1991 | but you can just look at the .backup files |
| 23:19.51 | merlin1991 | it's mostly .zip and sqlite dbs |
| 23:20.35 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, looks easy |
| 23:20.55 | AndrewX192 | The restore application got stuck on exiting flight mode |
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