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| 16:21.23 | macmaN | hmm, is this 1.2 beta available for upgrade process on the phone |
| 16:21.40 | Milhouse | macmaN: OCF |
| 16:21.51 | Milhouse | so not OTA |
| 16:21.55 | macmaN | and that killed all stuff on the phone huh |
| 16:22.06 | macmaN | contacts etc |
| 16:22.08 | Milhouse | macmaN: Take a backup, flash, restore |
| 16:22.15 | piggz | npm: yes it worked |
| 16:22.38 | npm | piggz: cool. thanks! |
| 16:22.53 | Corsac | could upgraded people add comments to the bugs marked as fixed by PR1.2 in harmattan-bugs? |
| 16:22.58 | Corsac | that'd be very nice of them :) |
| 16:23.22 | piggz | Milhouse: macmaNL or, keep your contacts in google and use exchange sync |
| 16:23.35 | Milhouse | Corsac: I imagine the idea would be to verify them if they're indeed fixed, or reopen if not |
| 16:23.56 | khertan | Milhouse: if backup / restore works this time :) |
| 16:24.00 | Milhouse | piggz: Keep mine on Nokia contacts (though not sure for how much longer) |
| 16:24.48 | Corsac | Milhouse: yes, although I'm not sure they can be reopened *before* the real PR1.2 appears for N9 users |
| 16:24.49 | Milhouse | khertan: i hope it does! not sure if i should restore my accounts though, considering i had problems last time - suppose it's worth a shot |
| 16:24.50 | ArkanoiD- | wonders if contacts merge bug is fixed |
| 16:24.56 | Corsac | (since ongoing fixes are still possible) |
| 16:25.13 | Corsac | but at least adding a comment so people are aware of the status would be nice |
| 16:25.20 | Milhouse | Corsac: Well if they're meant to be fixed in 1.2, and they're not fixed in 1.2beta, I would say they definitely should be reopened |
| 16:25.41 | Milhouse | shouldn't have been marked as fixed if they're not fixed |
| 16:26.00 | Iktwo | I was on 1.1 and decided to flash it again and then update to 1.2 as I had problems the first time updated to 1.2, but now I'm getting a bb5_rdc_cert_read failed CMT_RFS failed ERROR: Failed to flash images Status: 4 |
| 16:26.12 | Iktwo | I can boot but my sim is not recognized :S |
| 16:26.36 | Iktwo | does someone knows what's the problem? |
| 16:26.52 | ZogG_lap1op | jonni: ping |
| 16:27.15 | ZogG_lap1op | anyone with n950 who already got pr1.2? |
| 16:27.24 | macmaN | downloading |
| 16:27.28 | Corsac | Milhouse: they might have been fixed in the repository but not yet present in the beta |
| 16:27.50 | ZogG_lap1op | i just wonder if they included the oauth plugin or not =\ |
| 16:27.59 | Milhouse | Corsac: I'd err on the side of caution and reopend |
| 16:28.00 | Milhouse | reopen |
| 16:28.01 | mja | ZogG_lap1op: yup |
| 16:30.46 | piggz | alterego: copying files from qt-components git to my project isnt working....what else woud work? creating a custom dialog in a sheet with a listview + delegate? |
| 16:30.50 | Milhouse | hmmm... bug on Settings -> Display -> Colour profile - doesn't show current value |
| 16:33.18 | Milhouse | lost my lock screen wallpaper too |
| 16:35.40 | ZogG_lap1op | mja: wait - lemme tell you where to look |
| 16:37.26 | Milhouse | anyone on 1.1, can they post a link to the default blue lockscreen wallpaper? please? :) |
| 16:37.30 | piggz | hmmm, no dlna client? only server? |
| 16:38.33 | ZogG_lap1op | damn there is no locate on n9 |
| 16:39.00 | Milhouse | nice... first spontaenous reboot |
| 16:39.25 | Milhouse | although maybe that was because i just install the dev mode package and had switched focus elsewhere... |
| 16:39.27 | piggz | Milhouse: did you enable develper mode? |
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| 16:39.32 | piggz | thats why |
| 16:39.40 | Milhouse | piggz: yep thanks - silly me :) |
| 16:41.38 | ZogG_lap1op | mja: ls -l /usr/lib/signon/ |
| 16:41.47 | ZogG_lap1op | or anyone with pr1.2 |
| 16:42.52 | mja | ZogG_lap1op: there are files there |
| 16:43.17 | mja | lib*.so |
| 16:43.22 | mja | and "extensions" |
| 16:44.08 | mja | liboauth2plugin.so is there |
| 16:47.31 | alterego | piggz: I just meant copying SelectionDialog |
| 16:47.43 | alterego | piggz: tlk to djszapi, he knows the state of his patch |
| 16:50.30 | ZogG_lap1op | mja: \0/ |
| 16:50.32 | ZogG_lap1op | thanks |
| 16:50.37 | mja | np |
| 16:50.38 | ZogG_lap1op | that's what i needed |
| 16:51.06 | ZogG_lap1op | next todo for imgrup is account integration |
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| 16:51.36 | Milhouse | skype from n9/1.1 repo appears to install just fine |
| 16:51.45 | macmaN | sweet! |
| 16:52.10 | piggz | alterego: i did copy it, but it needed a CommonDialog...and then CommonDialog didnt know what a Style property was |
| 16:52.12 | ZogG_lap1op | but we wouldn't know if the updated skype with hopefully videocalls would be there |
| 16:52.40 | Milhouse | macmaN: haven't created an account yet though! |
| 16:53.06 | ZogG_lap1op | Milhouse: for skype? you don't have from prev phone/computer or something? |
| 16:53.15 | mja | just made a SIP call over wifi without disabling any codecs and had no hiccups |
| 16:53.30 | mja | maybe it's luck or maybe they fixed something |
| 16:53.58 | ZogG_lap1op | interesting how dlna would be integrated |
| 16:54.03 | Milhouse | ZogG_lap1op: Just finished flashing it, first thing I did was install Skype - about to restore backup. Figured if I restored backup BEFORE installing account plugin, I'd lose all my Skype contact details |
| 16:55.48 | ZogG_lap1op | Milhouse: =\ |
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| 17:11.46 | ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: sup |
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| 17:13.10 | npm | when you create a backup before upgrading, where is the backup file stored, and does it backup all of /home/user /home/developer or do i need to make separate copies of those |
| 17:13.20 | tomma | MohammadAG, backup restoring worked? |
| 17:13.49 | tomma | sry, Milhouse |
| 17:15.06 | Aard | npm: it'll be in /home/user/MyDocs/.backups. it does _not_ cover media files, etc, and does _not_ cover anything from developer user |
| 17:15.18 | npm | Aard: cool thanks |
| 17:15.33 | Milhouse | npm: MyDocs/.backups |
| 17:15.37 | npm | how about .local/share/data/ |
| 17:15.54 | npm | do those get backed up, or .local/share/* |
| 17:16.21 | Milhouse | toma: restore kinda worked - didn't restore my twitter or nokia accounts, restored facebook/google talk/skype/sip |
| 17:16.43 | npm | so maybe this is a stupid question, but does ~/MyDocs/ not get deleted by an update?? |
| 17:16.48 | Milhouse | now trying to work out why ssh has stopped letting me authenticate with a public key (worked before restore - now wants a password grrr) |
| 17:17.00 | Milhouse | npm: if you OCF, yes |
| 17:17.05 | npm | (otherwise how could it restore ~/MyDocs/.backup |
| 17:17.16 | Aard | npm: yes, you need to copy all of that to your computer before upgrading |
| 17:17.24 | Milhouse | so you have to put your backup back on to the device using mass storage mode - and you need to create the .backups directory |
| 17:17.44 | npm | aha |
| 17:17.45 | Milhouse | it is a bit dumb, i admit |
| 17:18.07 | npm | thanks for clarifying... but that's why i asked... it would be kinda stupid to delete one's own backup |
| 17:18.10 | Aard | npm: the backups are just zip files, so you can look what's in there. just checked, .local seems not to be backed up (though there should only be recreatable data anyways). .config gets backed up |
| 17:18.27 | npm | so is there any reason why restoring all of ~user/ is a bad idea? |
| 17:18.54 | mgedmin | could be... |
| 17:19.06 | mgedmin | there's magical encrypted aegisfs filesystems mounted in there |
| 17:19.18 | npm | oh i see looking at ~/MyDocs/.backups/Backup0 |
| 17:19.19 | mgedmin | I'd be afraid of tampering with them -- you could lose all your messages/contacts/etc. |
| 17:19.23 | Aard | npm: yes, if the format of some of the sqlite storage files changed. through the backup application it's possible to account for data changes |
| 17:19.38 | ArkanoiD- | wonders what is the point of erasing MyDocs by OCF |
| 17:19.56 | ArkanoiD- | actually you can dissect the script and disable that annoying part |
| 17:20.36 | Aard | ArkanoiD-: you need to update the emmc content, if you don't want to risk some applications not working properly due to old data |
| 17:21.44 | CissWit | i can't find sms in backup. Are they stored in some sqlite or binary file ? |
| 17:21.50 | Corsac | sqlite |
| 17:21.57 | Corsac | in the tracker database |
| 17:22.18 | Corsac | and the tracker backup is in the settings backup, iirrc |
| 17:22.28 | CissWit | ok thx, i'll have a look there |
| 17:23.09 | Corsac | but recovering smses from tracker database might be really painful |
| 17:23.22 | CissWit | why ? |
| 17:23.28 | Corsac | because the tracker is a mess |
| 17:23.43 | Corsac | you dont only have messaging there |
| 17:23.49 | Corsac | you have the whole tracker database |
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| 17:30.57 | npm | ~ $ tar cf - MyDocs | ssh npm@192.168.2.14 "cat > /usr/local/src/n950/MyDocs.tgz" |
| 17:31.21 | npm | usb networking ftw |
| 17:31.50 | ZogG_lap1op | btw do restore install all apps or app by app? |
| 17:32.21 | ZogG_lap1op | i remember restore after 1.1 upgrade it took me ages |
| 17:33.23 | mgedmin | ssh ftw |
| 17:34.11 | npm | now if only n950 had fuse-sshfs then usb networking and ssh would be even more winning |
| 17:35.11 | ArkanoiD- | oh shit, could it be that fscking cdc_phonet bricked my phone again |
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| 17:41.12 | petteri | anyone know if it would be possible to do webpage optimized for N9 that you could left swipe to get next page |
| 17:41.14 | Mece | o/ |
| 17:42.34 | radiofree | petteri: yes it's entirely possible |
| 17:42.48 | petteri | radiofree: any tips on how to get started? |
| 17:42.49 | radiofree | I've seen android web pages that have a swipey gallery thingy |
| 17:43.04 | radiofree | and these work in the n9 browser |
| 17:43.06 | radiofree | sorry, no idea |
| 17:43.22 | petteri | ok, i'll try to google some more |
| 17:43.35 | radiofree | http://www.photoswipe.com/ |
| 17:43.41 | radiofree | maybe look at how they do it? |
| 17:43.52 | Mece | anyone running pr1.2? |
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| 17:44.17 | radiofree | petteri: theres also http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2011/3/26/Another-experiment-in-jQuery-Mobile-swipe-navigation |
| 17:45.34 | petteri | radiofree: thanks, the gallery works just as expected! |
| 17:46.02 | Milhouse | Mece: Yep |
| 17:46.25 | ZogG_lap1op | there is some n9 site btw with that |
| 17:46.40 | Milhouse | anyone with 1.2beta, is your ssh public key authentication working ok (logging in as user)? |
| 17:47.03 | Mece | Milhouse, have you tried enabling skype? |
| 17:47.20 | Milhouse | Mece: I installed the N9/1.1 account-plugin - seemed to work ok |
| 17:47.35 | Milhouse | bogged down with an ssh issue right now |
| 17:47.59 | Mece | Milhouse, ok, thanks. |
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| 17:50.50 | vladest | hi |
| 17:51.00 | vladest | Once your N950 is flashed with this release, you cannot go back to an earlier software release. Please note that Nokia Store still requires applications to work on Harmattan 1.0 and 1.1 releases, in addition to Harmattan 1.2. |
| 17:51.02 | vladest | niiice |
| 17:51.20 | ArkanoiD- | "Erasing, this may take a while" seems to be forever :-( |
| 17:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | up to 20 min |
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| 17:53.59 | djszapi | Hey guys! Do you experience this flashing issue on Linux with PR1.2 ? http://pastebin.com/UC8bp51W |
| 17:54.18 | vladest | how to backup/restore n950? |
| 17:54.36 | djszapi | vladest: I bet, the wikipage has some relevant information |
| 17:54.40 | vladest | Nokia Link doesnt see n950 |
| 17:56.09 | merlin1991 | vladest: create a backup with the setting panel thing and copy the folder to your pc |
| 17:56.34 | merlin1991 | it's in settings -> sync and backup |
| 17:56.45 | Mece | djszapi, hmm I think I had that issue last time I flashed. is the system trying to mount the device perhaps? |
| 17:56.47 | vladest | merlin1991: thanks |
| 17:57.09 | djszapi | Mece not. |
| 17:57.37 | piggz | djszapi: edit modprobe to blacklist cdc_phonet |
| 17:58.08 | RST38h | Where is PR1.2??? |
| 17:58.26 | djszapi | piggz: already tried. |
| 17:58.28 | merlin1991 | RST38h: there is a pr1.2 prerelease for the n950 |
| 17:58.36 | RST38h | where? |
| 17:58.37 | djszapi | RST38h: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ |
| 17:58.41 | RST38h | ok, thanks |
| 17:58.41 | merlin1991 | RST38h: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 17:58.48 | RST38h | yoohoo |
| 17:58.54 | RST38h | is off to destroy his m950 |
| 18:00.59 | ZogG_lap1op | mn950? |
| 18:01.01 | ZogG_lap1op | new model? |
| 18:01.49 | RST38h | Skype not supported...hmmm |
| 18:01.55 | djszapi | you can grab it the old way |
| 18:02.13 | RST38h | But at least it can speak in Kazakh now! |
| 18:02.39 | RST38h | And Persian! The ayatollahs will be happy now! |
| 18:03.23 | RST38h | Improvements to MTF! OMG OMG OMG |
| 18:04.08 | CissWit | i'm still having a 404 on the 232 repositorie. Has any of you any hint on that ? |
| 18:04.53 | tomma | why does oneclickflasher do secure erase? |
| 18:05.15 | merlin1991 | "Improved browser history view" wut? |
| 18:05.22 | merlin1991 | where is the history view at all? |
| 18:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG |
| 18:05.50 | merlin1991 | and "Front camera support" is rather vague |
| 18:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | another HARM, even more err... harmful? ;-P |
| 18:06.24 | ZogG_lap1op | what the f is front camera support i still can't get |
| 18:06.41 | ZogG_lap1op | it was orking before as well just no qml item for that |
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| 18:08.03 | merlin1991 | "Ability to create playlists" omfg YES |
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| 18:08.07 | djszapi | jonni ping |
| 18:08.30 | merlin1991 | "Possibility to see songs that are on the current play queue" seems like it's going to get a music player after all |
| 18:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 18:09.11 | infobot | ...but update is already something else... |
| 18:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~#harmattan update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 18:09.27 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 18:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~update |
| 18:09.32 | infobot | it has been said that update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 18:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chaset #harmattan |
| 18:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chanset #harmattan |
| 18:10.30 | infobot | chan: #harmattan (see _default also) |
| 18:10.30 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~_default update |
| 18:11.14 | infobot | dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 18:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | for your convenience :-D |
| 18:12.16 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 18:12.37 | *** topic/#harmattan by DocScrutinizer -> A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update |
| 18:12.42 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 18:14.09 | merlin1991 | hm bug #88 is marked fixed, I hope that also fixes the issue of swiping away the launcher splashscreen and getting the app back as soon as loaded |
| 18:14.15 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=88 enh, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] When sharing picture in Twitter app, most recent pictures are not shown on the top of the p |
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| 18:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ?? |
| 18:17.37 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: if you open any application that has a splashscreen, ie fb and swipe away, the app will get fullscreen as soon as it has finsihed loading |
| 18:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | what else should it get? ;-D |
| 18:18.23 | merlin1991 | err stay in the fsckd tasckswticher |
| 18:18.30 | merlin1991 | because i swiped it away todo other stuff? |
| 18:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | WONTFIX |
| 18:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | too complex |
| 18:18.59 | merlin1991 | lol |
| 18:19.36 | merlin1991 | also hm why did I say bug 88, there was a bug that acually had something in common, but not number 88 :D |
| 18:19.40 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=88 enh, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] When sharing picture in Twitter app, most recent pictures are not shown on the top of the p |
| 18:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | splashscreens are evil and nasty, and requesting to have main app window behave according to what you did to splash is ... :-x never going to come true |
| 18:19.59 | merlin1991 | oh there is even one |
| 18:20.00 | merlin1991 | http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=77 |
| 18:20.06 | Milhouse | what have they done to swipe... have installed swipe manager, now when i swipe from the left i momentarily see the launcher view before it shows me the feed view. gah! |
| 18:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | *sig* |
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| 18:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | +h |
| 18:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | bug 77 |
| 18:20.27 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=77 nor, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, [cloned] Programs started with splashscreen steal focus |
| 18:20.40 | merlin1991 | ^^ exactly what I meant :D |
| 18:21.48 | merlin1991 | there are 3 independent bugreports that state the same problem :D |
| 18:22.03 | djszapi | right, flashing does not work here :/ |
| 18:22.04 | merlin1991 | btw we should fix that on maemo too :D |
| 18:23.23 | merlin1991 | oh yes #558 is fixed |
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| 18:23.29 | merlin1991 | is in love with the new update |
| 18:23.39 | merlin1991 | bug #558 |
| 18:23.43 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, Browser cannot download all MIME Types |
| 18:24.05 | djszapi | merlin1991: please invite me for the marriage ceremony :D |
| 18:24.39 | merlin1991 | I had the situation of sitting @ uni trying to dl a pdf which failed because the server gave an invalid mime type and the browser therefore rejected the whole thing |
| 18:31.25 | Milhouse | ooer - images are now showing up in the feed view for rss entries |
| 18:31.31 | Milhouse | never noticed that before |
| 18:31.44 | Milhouse | Qt Blogs RSS feed being one example |
| 18:32.08 | alterego | I like the facebook and twitter notifications. |
| 18:32.11 | RST38h | BTW, will 1.2 update delete my MyDocs, etc? |
| 18:32.18 | Milhouse | RST38h: Yep |
| 18:32.27 | RST38h | trouble |
| 18:33.42 | npm | wonders why ~/MyDocs/.feed/enclosures has 40Mb of crap in it |
| 18:34.03 | RST38h | images |
| 18:34.09 | RST38h | from rss feeds |
| 18:34.19 | npm | can they be deleted? |
| 18:34.42 | RST38h | yes |
| 18:37.41 | ZogG_lap1op | why would update delete my docs? |
| 18:38.14 | ZogG_lap1op | and btw what notifications? does it has now system-wide notifications? |
| 18:38.37 | alterego | ZogG_lap1op: the lock screen shows facebook and twitter notifications |
| 18:38.53 | *** part/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@plexyplanet.org) |
| 18:38.56 | alterego | And they appear where emails and SMS messages show up |
| 18:39.51 | ZogG_lap1op | cool |
| 18:40.18 | ZogG_lap1op | configurated |
| 18:40.25 | ZogG_lap1op | ? |
| 18:40.45 | ZogG_lap1op | i mean i can set what i wan to get as an update and what not? |
| 18:40.59 | ZogG_lap1op | talking about notifications |
| 18:43.34 | alterego | Yeah, think it counts as that "personal notifications" stuff. |
| 18:43.44 | alterego | May have a separate option I forget :) |
| 18:43.52 | tomma | took 2mins to flash without mmc secure erase... |
| 18:45.14 | tomma | why they have that enabled in oneclickflasher? |
| 18:46.52 | ZogG_lap1op | alterego: can you check? |
| 18:47.05 | ZogG_lap1op | why still no screenshots =\ |
| 18:47.39 | alterego | Well, I don''different version |
| 18:47.53 | alterego | Erm, I dont have it installed, I have a different version :P |
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| 18:50.38 | artemma | Upgrading N950 to 1.2 beta. Hopefully my current app-in-progress still makes sense (chooser for active swype languages) |
| 18:50.48 | RST38h | YES, DEATH |
| 18:50.54 | ArkanoiD- | updated, now it runs tracker-store and smartsearch |
| 18:51.12 | RST38h | Arkanoid: good/bad? |
| 18:51.42 | ArkanoiD- | don't know if it will ever finish an if it will work properly after that |
| 18:52.18 | ArkanoiD- | (an still have to re-enable lanscape mode manually) |
| 18:52.51 | tomma | artemma, chooser for active swype language? is it so hard to select one from list? |
| 18:53.20 | artemma | #bug 558 - good |
| 18:53.27 | artemma | bug #558 |
| 18:53.33 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, Browser cannot download all MIME Types |
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| 18:53.41 | artemma | tomma: Painful to me. I use 2-3 langs |
| 18:54.07 | artemma | long-press + dialog or 20 keypresses to witch between too langs? - No, thanks |
| 18:54.18 | artemma | between *two* langs |
| 18:54.51 | tomma | true |
| 18:56.22 | mgedmin | artemma, what about swiping left/right? |
| 18:57.10 | mgedmin | does that always switch between swype and the regular vkb layouts, or can you have multiple swpye languages in the loop? |
| 18:58.15 | ArkanoiD- | stupid thing |
| 18:58.20 | RST38h | can you ave multipleswype languages at all? |
| 18:58.30 | ArkanoiD- | it asks to "restore applications" and provides a list |
| 18:58.37 | RST38h | doesn't swype compile for a particular language? |
| 18:58.43 | ArkanoiD- | but actually it does not restore |
| 18:59.04 | ArkanoiD- | you cannot do anything from this list except quitting to general app manager |
| 18:59.25 | artemma | RST38h: on my devices swype has some 20 langs, maybe more |
| 18:59.49 | RST38h | hm, ok |
| 19:00.05 | RST38h | on Androids, there is a separate .so for each language, afaik |
| 19:00.43 | mgedmin | 20 languages, but Lithuanian is not one of them, for some reason |
| 19:00.55 | mgedmin | ;) |
| 19:01.45 | RST38h | just use Russian! |
| 19:01.46 | RST38h | hides |
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| 19:04.00 | ArkanoiD- | damn |
| 19:04.15 | ArkanoiD- | autocapitalization is still screwed |
| 19:04.25 | ArkanoiD- | i doubt anyone will ever fix it |
| 19:05.16 | RST38h | off with it |
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| 19:06.18 | ArkanoiD- | RST38h, sucks really big time when you need to type in russian |
| 19:06.51 | RST38h | turn it off |
| 19:07.02 | ArkanoiD- | turn off what? |
| 19:07.09 | RST38h | autocapitalization |
| 19:07.20 | ArkanoiD- | there is no such setting |
| 19:07.26 | ArkanoiD- | it is there to stay forever |
| 19:07.32 | ArkanoiD- | (like on e7, btw) |
| 19:07.47 | ArkanoiD- | some idiot thinks it is soooo useful you won't ever turn it off |
| 19:07.51 | RST38h | remembers disabling it on both e7 and n950 |
| 19:07.58 | RST38h | or do you specifically mean swype? |
| 19:08.09 | ArkanoiD- | nope |
| 19:08.16 | ArkanoiD- | how did you do it on n950? |
| 19:08.24 | RST38h | some option in input settings |
| 19:08.33 | RST38h | where the prediction is |
| 19:09.12 | ArkanoiD- | only two of them |
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| 19:09.26 | ArkanoiD- | "Error correction" and "Insert with space key" |
| 19:09.43 | ArkanoiD- | both apply to on-screen keyboards only and neither matters |
| 19:10.10 | RST38h | ok |
| 19:10.13 | RST38h | mghm |
| 19:12.21 | ArkanoiD- | damn is there a way to really restore applications? |
| 19:12.38 | RST38h | Arkanoid: what is the backup dir name btw? |
| 19:12.43 | RST38h | .backup? |
| 19:12.57 | mece1 | MyDocs/.backup iirc |
| 19:13.00 | RST38h | aha |
| 19:13.31 | mece | I'd like to backup everything in home |
| 19:13.54 | mece | so how do I scp everything except MyDocs? |
| 19:17.06 | mece | hmm rsync exclude perhaps. |
| 19:17.08 | RST38h | Arkanoid: Try going to Manage Applications,there may be a separate option to restore them |
| 19:17.39 | RST38h | Oh shit, I have not backed up the apt sources =(((( |
| 19:17.40 | ArkanoiD- | FOLDERS! |
| 19:17.42 | ArkanoiD- | wow! |
| 19:17.57 | RST38h | stupid, stupid me |
| 19:18.24 | tomma | backup should contain them |
| 19:18.33 | RST38h | really? well, let us see |
| 19:18.37 | ArkanoiD- | RST38h, nope, there is not |
| 19:19.27 | ArkanoiD- | and damn tracker is still doing "something", io load is close to 100% |
| 19:19.35 | tomma | there it is: ".backups/Backup0/applications.zip/Root/home/user/.package-manager/sources-lists/sources.list.d/" |
| 19:19.58 | tomma | dont know then if it restores them... |
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| 19:24.05 | RST38h | mgm, looks like restore-applications thing crashes when it tries restoring |
| 19:24.18 | RST38h | anyone got a fix for that? |
| 19:27.58 | ArkanoiD- | wonders if tracker-store will ever stop running at full load |
| 19:28.31 | mece | rsync -rptDuv -e ssh --exclude 'MyDocs' --progress /home/user me@mycomputer:/home/me/n950backup |
| 19:28.33 | mece | :) |
| 19:28.39 | mece | seems to be working |
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| 19:30.10 | ZogG_lap1op | =) |
| 19:31.03 | ZogG_lap1op | btw does n950 has front camera? |
| 19:31.14 | mece | yes |
| 19:31.28 | mece | it's top right instead of bottom like N9 |
| 19:31.30 | RST38h | cannot install developer mode gdb |
| 19:32.36 | RST38h | no more powertop |
| 19:33.19 | mece | do you have the repos? |
| 19:36.08 | RST38h | this is builtin stuff |
| 19:36.18 | RST38h | I should not need extra repos |
| 19:36.51 | RST38h | HP: webOS to be fully open-sourced by September, Enyo 2.0 framework available to developers today |
| 19:37.27 | artemma | Upgraded to 1.2. Good so far |
| 19:37.42 | mece | Ok, I did a backup, then backed up everything in MyDocs and then what was possible from /home/user/ |
| 19:37.46 | mece | is there anything else? |
| 19:38.03 | jreznik | RST38h: replace Enyo with QML and it could be nice open source system (especially as they use QML internally for launcher etc.) |
| 19:38.07 | tomma | hmm... for some reason mail for exchange doesn't sync with google.... |
| 19:38.24 | tomma | tries to tell my password isn't right |
| 19:39.11 | ZogG_lap1op | replace ovi with market+dalvik |
| 19:39.13 | ZogG_lap1op | =) |
| 19:39.17 | tomma | btw artemma, swype honors now those input language settings |
| 19:39.26 | tomma | so it shows for me only english and finnish |
| 19:39.52 | artemma | tomma: oups, too bad. Just wasted a week of hard coding then :) |
| 19:40.26 | Jare | great, are they still changed from the swype language key or by swiping over the keyboard? |
| 19:40.28 | ZogG_lap1op | lol |
| 19:40.33 | RST38h | Ok, anyone knows how to restore apps list? |
| 19:40.50 | mece | RST38h, is there such a feature? |
| 19:41.05 | RST38h | should be but it crashed on startup |
| 19:41.16 | RST38h | I have got the list from the backup though, going to do it manually |
| 19:41.22 | tomma | it does offer list of applications and ask which you want to restore but none of them installs... it downloads them right etc |
| 19:41.40 | RST38h | tomma: it crashes right at offering the list |
| 19:41.47 | RST38h | atleast for me |
| 19:41.54 | artemma | tomma, just checked myself. Indeed, swype language switching works well now. Heh, should have done app some months ago :) |
| 19:42.11 | tomma | for me it did give list but restoring any of them didn't work |
| 19:42.41 | RST38h | does ovi store work at all? |
| 19:43.07 | ZogG_lap1op | RST38h: updates should work with system notifications now |
| 19:44.09 | ZogG_lap1op | hmm |
| 19:44.27 | ZogG_lap1op | tomma: clicking on items do nothing? |
| 19:44.53 | ZogG_lap1op | i hated app by app installation after updates |
| 19:45.03 | RST38h | does not accept my password to devel-su, is there some default password? |
| 19:46.19 | mece | rootme |
| 19:46.19 | tomma | ZogG_lap1op, it did ask to install it but failed |
| 19:47.35 | mece | oh man. I wanna flash, but I'm scared I won't get stuff working as they should.. |
| 19:49.10 | tomma | atleast restoring backup worked better than before... |
| 19:49.43 | ZogG_lap1op | mece: pussy =) |
| 19:49.47 | ZogG_lap1op | do it |
| 19:49.52 | mece | I will. |
| 19:49.58 | ZogG_lap1op | DO IT |
| 19:49.59 | mece | just checking I have everything backed up |
| 19:50.04 | mece | lol |
| 19:51.24 | ZogG_lap1op | rm -rf |
| 19:51.26 | ZogG_lap1op | and than do it |
| 19:52.36 | RST38h | Anyone can tell me where MeeFolders creates files? |
| 19:52.58 | RST38h | mece:thankzzz |
| 19:53.17 | mece | RST38h, what did I do? |
| 19:53.27 | RST38h | mece:told me the default root password |
| 19:53.36 | mece | :) |
| 19:53.37 | mece | ah |
| 19:53.45 | mece | "Erasing, this may take a while" |
| 19:58.04 | mece | comeoooon already! |
| 19:58.53 | RST38h | installs goddamn apps by hand |
| 19:59.08 | mece | RST38h, bit by bit? |
| 19:59.10 | ZogG_lap1op | RST38h: all of them one by one? |
| 19:59.35 | ZogG_lap1op | command line or gui? |
| 20:01.04 | ZogG_lap1op | btw is it me or rss doesn't show videos? |
| 20:01.08 | mece | enough with the erasing already!!! |
| 20:01.14 | mece | grr argh! |
| 20:02.18 | mece | hmm this really takes time. Perhaps a quick game of sauerbraten helps. |
| 20:04.08 | RST38h | mece: apt-get can install lists |
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| 20:04.14 | RST38h | so not that much trouble |
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| 20:05.15 | rzr | hi |
| 20:05.24 | RST38h | Need to get 98MBof archives. Yes, baby |
| 20:05.45 | RST38h | Reports this for each packages: Failed to fetch exec:////usr/bin/osa --get 'colourlines' Sub-process returned an error code |
| 20:05.57 | RST38h | Here is your problem with restoring packages from backup |
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| 20:08.44 | ZogG_lap1op | RST38h: where di you get list |
| 20:09.38 | rzr | backup is for wimp |
| 20:10.01 | rzr | :) |
| 20:10.07 | rzr | i am rsyncing btw |
| 20:10.09 | ZogG_lap1op | as i told "rm -rf" |
| 20:10.19 | ZogG_lap1op | i want the huge poster of it |
| 20:10.38 | rzr | { delete this; } |
| 20:10.49 | RST38h | Zog:applications.zip:/Root/home/user/.package-manager/installed-packages |
| 20:11.32 | RST38h | found a way to restore apps. It is ugly. |
| 20:11.33 | mece | rebooting..... |
| 20:12.00 | mece | ok let's see... |
| 20:13.14 | mece | phone starts! that's a + |
| 20:13.34 | mece | then what? |
| 20:13.43 | RST38h | pray. |
| 20:13.54 | mece | :D |
| 20:14.01 | RST38h | they screwed apt-get again |
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| 20:14.09 | RST38h | will they EVER stop screwing apt-get? |
| 20:14.33 | mece | should I copy everything back to mydocs or just the backup folder first? |
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| 20:15.50 | RST38h | backup first |
| 20:16.02 | RST38h | actually copy everything that is not a Nokia folder |
| 20:16.38 | mece | hm |
| 20:16.45 | mece | what makes it a nokia folder? |
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| 20:17.08 | RST38h | has been there before |
| 20:17.14 | mece | oh. |
| 20:17.23 | mece | hm |
| 20:17.55 | mece | hmm I'll just copy everything to MyDocs first.. |
| 20:18.10 | Jare | have you already tested gtalk video? :) |
| 20:18.17 | RST38h | does it work? |
| 20:18.41 | Jare | i've only heard a rumor that pr1.2 should support it |
| 20:19.10 | mece | I heard video calling. Dunno if they mean 3g video call or skype or gtalk tho. |
| 20:19.39 | rzr | or jingle |
| 20:20.06 | petteri | better work, i used the feature a lot on my N900 and miss with n9 |
| 20:21.01 | Jare | nokia did say 3g video call is considered "dead" and there has been talks that skype video isn't coming anytime soon |
| 20:21.29 | rzr | well probally useless w/ no front cam |
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| 20:23.12 | mece | rzr, who has no front cam? |
| 20:23.33 | Aard | Jare: gtalx video works quite well (at least over wifi) |
| 20:23.41 | Aard | in fact, it works with any xmpp account |
| 20:23.54 | mece | Aard, on N950? |
| 20:24.11 | Aard | n9 |
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| 20:25.05 | petteri | not currently with the default phone app |
| 20:25.09 | petteri | on pr1.1 |
| 20:25.10 | npm | crosses fingers |
| 20:25.20 | Aard | petteri: no, it's 1.2 feature |
| 20:25.29 | npm | Erasing, this may take a while. |
| 20:25.36 | petteri | Aard, ok. Good to know |
| 20:25.43 | Jare | great |
| 20:26.10 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79909 |
| 20:26.14 | rzr | mece: ^ |
| 20:26.19 | Jare | skype video would be nice too |
| 20:26.40 | Jare | even though I hate to use their proprietary service |
| 20:26.42 | rzr | well we dont need skype if we have good xmpp/jingle support |
| 20:26.43 | rzr | or sup |
| 20:26.45 | rzr | sip |
| 20:27.22 | Jare | the problem is that most people I know use skype and not sip or xmpp/jingle |
| 20:27.33 | mece | same here. |
| 20:27.54 | mece | gah! How slow is my usb??? |
| 20:29.04 | rzr | Jare: the problem is those people not harmattan :) |
| 20:30.31 | Jare | ha, well I have high hopes that more and more people are moving to google plus and gtalk in the future |
| 20:31.11 | npm | do i get extra points using meego 1.2 (netbook -- lenovo s10-3t) to update meego ? :-) |
| 20:32.49 | rzr | npm: what os is running on your s103t ? |
| 20:33.16 | rzr | i tested plasma aktive but it was disapointed |
| 20:33.25 | mece | ok.. restoring. |
| 20:33.41 | mece | rzr, i'm gonna take a wild guess at MeeGo 1.2 :D |
| 20:34.31 | itsnotabigtruck | does aegis signing work on the package, or the file, level |
| 20:34.46 | itsnotabigtruck | might it be possible to reconstitute .debs from the rootfs payload in pr1.2? |
| 20:34.49 | rzr | or win7 ? mine was lost when installing tablet edition :_ |
| 20:35.06 | itsnotabigtruck | npm: hehe |
| 20:35.41 | itsnotabigtruck | also Jare: it might be possible to get people to switch if open SIP servers weren't so sparse, and SIP clients weren't uniformly terrible |
| 20:35.56 | itsnotabigtruck | everyone - open source, commercial vendors, etc. - has dropped the ball on voip |
| 20:36.15 | mece | there was a notification regarding "partial restoration" but the fcking thing rebooted before I had time to read it. |
| 20:37.06 | ZogG_lap1op | itsnotabigtruck: bullshit |
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| 20:37.30 | ZogG_lap1op | i work at support of company providing voip servers |
| 20:37.37 | ZogG_lap1op | going pretty well |
| 20:37.53 | Milhouse | i thought Peregrine were going to support Skype video calls? I tried the current version that doesn't support video calls, but didn't like it. :( |
| 20:37.58 | mece | "checking applications to restore" |
| 20:38.02 | mece | so far so good... |
| 20:38.24 | itsnotabigtruck | also jingle support in clients is non-existant |
| 20:38.34 | rzr | sip is decent |
| 20:38.43 | mece | gah now it wants me to sign in to something but I don't know what it is! |
| 20:38.45 | itsnotabigtruck | the devs of the most popular jabber client (pidgin) can't be arsed to build jingle support for windows |
| 20:39.07 | rzr | just pay them for |
| 20:39.09 | itsnotabigtruck | google talk, by far the most widely used jingle client, speaks pre-standard google jingle |
| 20:39.24 | rzr | is gtalk supporting jingle ? |
| 20:39.31 | itsnotabigtruck | google invented jingle |
| 20:39.35 | rzr | i though that was only their webplugin |
| 20:39.39 | petteri | i think they fixed it |
| 20:39.52 | itsnotabigtruck | but they lost interest in it sometime between writing the original spec, and having it become an xmpp extension standard |
| 20:39.55 | rzr | are you using gvoice too ? |
| 20:40.07 | petteri | at least i can call from jabber.ru to gmail.com |
| 20:40.20 | ZogG_lap1op | i think the best is face 2 face life chat |
| 20:40.23 | ZogG_lap1op | in reality |
| 20:40.27 | djszapi | hahahaha |
| 20:40.35 | e0x | ZogG_lap1op: +1 |
| 20:40.41 | ZogG_lap1op | petteri: jabber.ru ? |
| 20:40.46 | mece | gaaah ffs. |
| 20:40.48 | Milhouse | wonders if we should be raising defects against 1.2beta (found some minor ones) |
| 20:41.01 | mece | I clicked something in the restore apps thing, and now it's gone. |
| 20:41.01 | ZogG_lap1op | i use noicq.org |
| 20:41.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Milhouse: probably too late but it's worth a try |
| 20:41.15 | itsnotabigtruck | if you don't report them right this moment they likely won't ever be fixed |
| 20:41.21 | ZogG_lap1op | and i had unsecurecnnectionsmakemehorny.org |
| 20:41.22 | Milhouse | itsnotabigtruck: indeed, some are trivial, so why not. |
| 20:41.43 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 20:41.55 | petteri | i think the jingly support is quite good |
| 20:41.56 | ZogG_lap1op | i-am-getting-horny-by-using-an-insecure-connection.headcounter.org - this one |
| 20:42.02 | pinheiro | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 20:42.34 | djszapi | pinheiro: same here. Make sure cdc_phonet is removed |
| 20:42.46 | pinheiro | modprobe -r cdc_phonet |
| 20:42.48 | pinheiro | FATAL: Module cdc_phonet not found. |
| 20:42.49 | rzr | do you know some SIP <=2=> XMPP gateways |
| 20:44.08 | djszapi | pinheiro: ask for a checksum from someone it worked for, on Linux, that is. |
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| 20:44.39 | pinheiro | na thas not the problem its the second time |
| 20:45.16 | pinheiro | worse part its now again unusable |
| 20:45.42 | djszapi | go back and hack oxygen instead :D |
| 20:45.56 | pinheiro | :( |
| 20:45.58 | pinheiro | hehehe |
| 20:46.05 | npm | rzr: Linux meegolem 2.6.38.2-8.16-adaptation-pinetrail #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 21 01:27:31 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 20:46.21 | npm | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem |
| 20:47.24 | rzr | have you tried to put a sim card in it ? |
| 20:47.27 | npm | Flashing finished at 12:40:51 |
| 20:47.48 | npm | in the s10-3t? or the n950? |
| 20:48.08 | rzr | s103t |
| 20:48.16 | npm | no |
| 20:48.25 | rzr | i got one too |
| 20:48.31 | npm | but my n950 is running PR 1.2 :-) |
| 20:48.45 | ieatlint | ooooh, 1.2b for the n950? :) |
| 20:48.45 | rzr | my s103t is on debian now |
| 20:48.48 | npm | and my lunch will burn if i continue so later.. |
| 20:48.55 | rzr | later |
| 20:49.44 | ZogG_lap1op | s103t? |
| 20:49.49 | ZogG_lap1op | slot? |
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| 20:51.17 | ZogG_lap1op | i use gentoo and funtoo FTW |
| 20:51.38 | mece | RST38h, so, what was the restore method? |
| 20:51.42 | itsnotabigtruck | jesus...so far the n950 1.2 rootfs has decompressed to 3.2gb |
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| 20:52.01 | RST38h | mece:go to ovi store, go to account, install history, and CLICK AWAY |
| 20:52.20 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, it just failed at the end, i think something's wrong |
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| 20:54.17 | mece | RST38h, D: |
| 20:54.28 | Milhouse | just noticed pr1.2beta makes a noise when swiping down to close apps |
| 20:54.40 | mece | yeah. Cute. |
| 20:55.08 | ieatlint | heh, that sounds obnoxious |
| 20:55.42 | Milhouse | not very obvious unless you have Touch screen tones at level 2 or 3 |
| 20:55.56 | rzr | just curious once upgraded , could i boot nemo anydays ? |
| 20:56.06 | RST38h | no |
| 20:56.13 | BluesLee | mihouse: any changes within the browser? |
| 20:58.05 | BluesLee | milhouse: can you gather all bookmarks in one folder? |
| 21:01.04 | Milhouse | BluesLee: you mean bookmark shortcuts? you now put shortcuts into folders |
| 21:01.09 | Milhouse | haven't done any surfing yet |
| 21:02.05 | ieatlint | huh, still no skype on the n950? |
| 21:02.14 | ieatlint | listed even as a "known issue" in the release notes |
| 21:03.04 | Milhouse | ieatlint: easy fix - same as with 1.1 |
| 21:03.12 | Milhouse | grab the n9 version from the n9 repo |
| 21:03.30 | ieatlint | yeah, just odd |
| 21:03.48 | ieatlint | i mean, one wouldn't think it would be a licencing issue... |
| 21:04.06 | itsnotabigtruck | i just realized my rootfs dump was failing because i was writing to fat32 |
| 21:04.11 | itsnotabigtruck | and fat32 means 4 gig limit, lame |
| 21:04.39 | ieatlint | also an odd note in the log "Android NDEF Push Protocol disabled" ... does the n9 with pr1.1 support the android push protocol? |
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| 21:05.23 | mece | I seem to be having trouble installing apps.formeego.com cluent. |
| 21:05.25 | mece | client |
| 21:05.36 | mece | getting "installation interrupted" |
| 21:05.41 | rzr | Erasing, this may take a while. |
| 21:06.57 | BluesLee | milhouse: okay, you a right |
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| 21:14.41 | itsnotabigtruck | any idea what RM-716 is? |
| 21:15.10 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a few google hits on it and it's in the names of some of the items inside the firmware images |
| 21:15.54 | rzr | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/05/30/rumours-nokia-n9-nokia-is-using-a-patented-new-technology-not-seen-in-any-other-device-in-the-market/ |
| 21:15.59 | rzr | unreleased device ? |
| 21:16.30 | itsnotabigtruck | w00t, extraction complete |
| 21:16.52 | rzr | #define PRODUCT_RM690_STR "RM-690" /**< ??? */ |
| 21:17.23 | mece | rzr, lol |
| 21:17.23 | itsnotabigtruck | rx-71, rm-660, rm-680, rm-690, rm-696, rm-716 are all in the filenames |
| 21:17.43 | rzr | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/6396afa1a4250b63ac9070d3d7e4e67479a08079/mce-hal.c |
| 21:17.47 | itsnotabigtruck | rm-680 = n950, rm-696 = n9, rx-71 = n900, but that leaves 3 others |
| 21:18.16 | mece | this is ancient news tho.. ancient. |
| 21:18.58 | itsnotabigtruck | also whoops, rx-51 = n900 |
| 21:19.01 | itsnotabigtruck | rx-71 = ??? |
| 21:19.05 | itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, very ancient, i suppose |
| 21:19.30 | rzr | Battery level 49 %, continuing. |
| 21:19.49 | rzr | this is taking longer that i thought |
| 21:20.02 | Milhouse | anyone still got pr1.1? |
| 21:20.38 | Milhouse | can you check your Google account, if you have a schedule set what does it say under the Schedule field? |
| 21:20.38 | rzr | not here |
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| 21:20.57 | Milhouse | i've set a schedule in 1.2beta, but it still shows "Off" - think that's a bug. |
| 21:21.17 | rzr | Battery level 54 %, continuing. |
| 21:21.48 | Milhouse | for my Nokia account, it shows when the next shcedule is to take place - so inconsistent behaviour between Google and Nokia accounts |
| 21:22.31 | ArkanoiD- | wonders if i can re-enable google contacts sync now |
| 21:29.51 | itsnotabigtruck | hm, where's the file containing the aegis security policies located again? |
| 21:30.36 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, found it, it's var\lib\aegis\restok\restok.conf |
| 21:32.44 | RST38h | Filemanager fails to install on 1.2 |
| 21:32.56 | RST38h | Aegis error |
| 21:33.20 | itsnotabigtruck | uh oh |
| 21:34.15 | itsnotabigtruck | https://gist.github.com/d7870fa343abab4b0866 here's the N950 PR1.2 aegis policy for ovi apps |
| 21:34.18 | RST38h | Firefox broken |
| 21:35.36 | mece | I'm out. tata. |
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| 21:39.52 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81879# !N950Club please report your !Harmattan !MeeGo FirmWare Version, I just upgrd #n950 thx #Nokia |
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| 21:40.57 | piggz | alterego: i built my own component based on a sheet, and a listview, that takes a model as a property and works rather well :) |
| 21:41.48 | rzr | RST38h: do u know a decent opensource filemanager ? |
| 21:43.55 | RST38h | Filebox |
| 21:44.16 | RST38h | But it is already available via Ovi Store, no need to put it into your repo |
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| 21:46.37 | itsnotabigtruck | none of the file managers use the system font :/ |
| 21:50.04 | mgedmin | I've File Manager BETA installed; it looks ok; haven't had the need to actually use it for anything yet... |
| 21:50.16 | ZogG_lap1op | rzr: did you boot nemo on n9 ? |
| 21:51.19 | rzr | no |
| 21:51.24 | rzr | n950 |
| 21:51.25 | rzr | here |
| 21:54.37 | rzr | now installing git and rsync :-) |
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| 21:58.10 | itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: but it uses arial/helvetica/whatever it is |
| 21:58.12 | itsnotabigtruck | not nokia pure |
| 21:58.21 | itsnotabigtruck | which causes it to not look 'system' |
| 21:58.43 | mgedmin | this means I'm not as sensitive to fonts as I thought I was |
| 21:59.57 | itsnotabigtruck | any idea what aegis-rd-source-policy is for |
| 22:00.23 | itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: perhaps i'm wrong, i don't have it installed right now |
| 22:00.55 | mgedmin | rd is research and development? and source is package repository? |
| 22:01.04 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the helvetica lookalike is called 'SwissA' |
| 22:01.16 | itsnotabigtruck | helvetica = switzerland |
| 22:01.19 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:05.11 | itsnotabigtruck | rm, what's RM-581 |
| 22:05.18 | itsnotabigtruck | yet another model number |
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| 22:11.08 | ZogG_lap1op | i like how shazam was showen on n900 and never released, same story with shazam icon harmattan webpage for developer and no release |
| 22:11.11 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess 581's just yet another prototype device |
| 22:11.11 | ZogG_lap1op | hate them |
| 22:11.36 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: meh, shazam's nothing great anyway, but yeah |
| 22:11.40 | ZogG_lap1op | i would prefer soundhound anyway but they released win app allready |
| 22:11.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that sort of thing is awfully common |
| 22:11.54 | itsnotabigtruck | cool stuff put together for a tech demo, then they lock it away never to be seen again |
| 22:12.06 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 22:12.25 | ZogG_lap1op | but it's already out for n8 and other - whta's the bg deal? |
| 22:12.50 | itsnotabigtruck | is there such a thing as an aegis-aware dpkg-repack? |
| 22:13.08 | itsnotabigtruck | the name 'dpkg-repack' seems awfully familiar, as if i've seen it talked about here before |
| 22:14.07 | ZogG_lap1op | what is dpkg-repack and what do you mean? |
| 22:14.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it uses the dpkg metadata to reassemble an installed package into a deb |
| 22:14.48 | itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to repack items of interest from the pr1.2 rootfs to put them on the n9 early :p |
| 22:16.39 | itsnotabigtruck | unless there's an easier way...e.g. if the N950 PR1.2 rootfs is N9-compatible |
| 22:18.47 | ZogG_lap1op | dont do it |
| 22:19.05 | ZogG_lap1op | first of all think of aegis itself it differ |
| 22:19.40 | ZogG_lap1op | second of all - think of it being possible would be ididotci to have aegias at all |
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| 22:20.05 | ZogG_lap1op | as you would be able to inject something else in code |
| 22:20.09 | ZogG_lap1op | simple like that |
| 22:21.10 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, i think there's less difference than you think |
| 22:21.20 | itsnotabigtruck | and aegis ought not to be a problem if the root keys are the same |
| 22:22.03 | ZogG_lap1op | so i can replace something file with samesize and name and use it |
| 22:22.18 | alterego | Talk to MohammadAG |
| 22:22.31 | ZogG_lap1op | he doesn't want to talk to me anymore |
| 22:22.35 | alterego | itsnotabigtruck: RE dpkg-repack |
| 22:22.36 | ZogG_lap1op | MohammadAG: y u not |
| 22:23.08 | itsnotabigtruck | alterego: alright, cool |
| 22:23.26 | ZogG_lap1op | i know one guy who make packages from installed payed apps from ovi and pirate them but i think you need dev mod to install them |
| 22:23.43 | alterego | Well, you would. |
| 22:23.54 | itsnotabigtruck | for what it's worth, /var/lib/aegis/domains is the same between n9 pr1.1 and n950 pr1.2, except for the addition of <key>PGP::1F1204F37047CFACCC1E2EF0F26394D67FF273D2</key> (which is the r&d key) |
| 22:25.02 | itsnotabigtruck | alterego: well, that's why i mentioned "aegis-aware"...this can only work if everything, including the signatures, is put into the package |
| 22:25.47 | ZogG_lap1op | alterego: i would what? |
| 22:25.48 | itsnotabigtruck | since lots of built-in packages are in the com.nokia.maemo domain and get extra privilege |
| 22:25.56 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: need dev mode on |
| 22:26.27 | itsnotabigtruck | if dev mode has to be on, that means it's relying on the developer-unknown policy, which means that it isn't repacking aegis data probably |
| 22:26.29 | ZogG_lap1op | what is com stands for communcation? |
| 22:26.38 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: no, it's a domain name backwards |
| 22:26.47 | itsnotabigtruck | so it stands for .com, as in maemo.nokia.com |
| 22:26.54 | ZogG_lap1op | but WHY??? |
| 22:28.15 | itsnotabigtruck | beats me...java has a similar arrangement |
| 22:28.21 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe they got the idea from there |
| 22:28.50 | ZogG_lap1op | but there is no java on harmattan |
| 22:28.53 | ZogG_lap1op | whyyyyy? |
| 22:29.05 | mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ forgets to mention that the Harmattan 1.2 firmware is BETA |
| 22:29.17 | ZogG_lap1op | it's always beta |
| 22:29.20 | mgedmin | "Note: You cannot return from a Chinese variant to the corresponding Global variant! So unless you are developing for the applications for the Chinese markets, do not install the Chinese variant on your device." |
| 22:29.24 | ZogG_lap1op | they ashame to call it not beta |
| 22:29.25 | mgedmin | bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
| 22:29.45 | mgedmin | seriously, what's this newfound fascination with the one-way upgrades??? |
| 22:29.59 | ZogG_lap1op | poitics |
| 22:30.09 | ZogG_lap1op | dropbox policy =) |
| 22:30.22 | ZogG_lap1op | no dropbox and what else on china variant |
| 22:30.40 | mgedmin | oooh! "Mail thread support in the Email client" |
| 22:30.52 | mgedmin | maybe the mail app will be not-useless for the first time EVER? |
| 22:30.58 | rzr | do you know a way to store contacts on imap ? |
| 22:31.09 | mgedmin | "Compass support in Maps", at last! |
| 22:31.14 | ZogG_lap1op | i use mail app |
| 22:31.32 | ZogG_lap1op | i thik gmail made you spoiled |
| 22:31.54 | ZogG_lap1op | there people still using ie bing and hotmail/yahoo mail |
| 22:32.19 | itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: with nokia it's oldfound, they've been blocking downgrades for a long time |
| 22:32.29 | mgedmin | not on maemo... |
| 22:32.39 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably possible to downgrade using phoenix, it's possible to do that with symbian phones |
| 22:33.22 | itsnotabigtruck | any idea what \var\lib\aegis\certs\user\omb-user\d0ade470efcbb90c1fcba24adeb74cad6b78fe8c.pem is? |
| 22:33.29 | itsnotabigtruck | (pretend those are forward slashes) |
| 22:33.29 | ZogG_lap1op | if they not write it in bootloader or something |
| 22:33.39 | rzr | are you using a caldav server ? |
| 22:33.40 | ZogG_lap1op | when yo ucan't |
| 22:33.49 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.52 | mgedmin | gmail, shmail, I use mutt |
| 22:33.58 | itsnotabigtruck | masochist |
| 22:34.02 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 22:34.15 | ZogG_lap1op | mgedmin: i use sendmail on localhost =) |
| 22:34.33 | ZogG_lap1op | i use wall on local machine (foreveralone) |
| 22:35.29 | mgedmin | mailing lists were invented so that you can pretend to have friends (or enemies) |
| 22:35.41 | ZogG_lap1op | wall is better |
| 22:36.17 | ajalkane | So... seems like PR 1.2 is the best thing ever? |
| 22:36.31 | ZogG_lap1op | no pr1.3 is better |
| 22:36.32 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: except for the compatibility problems, seems so |
| 22:36.42 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why i'm looking for a way to shoehorn it on my n9 :p |
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| 22:37.01 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: compatibility problems due to the font size change? |
| 22:37.15 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: nah, there were some aegis violations on existing apps |
| 22:37.48 | ZogG_lap1op | aegis rapes i would say |
| 22:37.51 | kimju | hmm, I wonder.. does the pr1.2 have a new url/credentials in apt sources? if you just copy that to a pr1.1 device, would it then do the upgrade in place, without flashing.. |
| 22:38.06 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: for fucks sake. They've screwed it tighter? Any idea what credentials/capabilities are now forbidden? |
| 22:38.30 | rzr | kimju: hey |
| 22:38.42 | rzr | kimju: https://gitorious.org/harmattan/xkeyboard-config-addons-rm680/ is screwed |
| 22:39.12 | kimju | hmm? |
| 22:39.24 | ZogG_lap1op | what is the addons? |
| 22:39.33 | ZogG_lap1op | custom smileys? |
| 22:39.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: possibly...i didn't see anything that was on the allowed list before that isn't still there |
| 22:39.49 | ZogG_lap1op | keyboard layouts? |
| 22:40.06 | kimju | ZogG_lap1op, mostly usable finnish layout, but I've made some changes to the english keymap too |
| 22:40.15 | itsnotabigtruck | kimju: it doesn't look like the new stuff is in the repos |
| 22:40.21 | kimju | rzr, how screwed? |
| 22:41.12 | ZogG_lap1op | itsnotabigtruck: what stuff? |
| 22:41.40 | rzr | kimju: pasted at http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=xkb&#harmattan_rm-680_n950 |
| 22:42.11 | rzr | "dpkg-divert: Installation error, diversions are not allowed." |
| 22:42.23 | kimju | FFS. |
| 22:42.27 | rzr | what apps are you installing ? |
| 22:43.18 | npm | after trying out PR1.2, where can i trade in my Lumia for an N9 :-) |
| 22:43.28 | kimju | I'm using dpkg-divert to move the original /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rm-680 aside and replace it with the new version |
| 22:43.50 | rzr | yes i know |
| 22:43.55 | ajalkane | npm: let me know if you find out. My Lumia is resting it's coffin since new year |
| 22:43.59 | rzr | but try to install on latest fw |
| 22:44.09 | kimju | meh. that was the cleanest solution I come up with previously. need to think something new if that is now disallowd. |
| 22:44.28 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_lap1op: any of the stuff that's new in the new image |
| 22:44.43 | rzr | well we can gain root and do the job |
| 22:44.49 | rzr | but this is not the dpkg way |
| 22:44.58 | itsnotabigtruck | what's policy-settings-override-001 |
| 22:45.28 | kimju | I guess that replacing the dpkg-divert with mv is going to work fine. but it's just wrong. |
| 22:45.36 | npm | my lumia is my phone ; my n950 is my computer |
| 22:45.50 | npm | my n900 is my radio |
| 22:46.23 | rzr | and your wife |
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| 22:46.45 | ajalkane | My lumia is my undead corpse, summoned when I want to be a fruit Ninja. My N950 is my beloved, caressed and slept with. |
| 22:47.06 | kimju | I just re-acquired a 770. so now I have 770, n800, n810, n900 and n950. n810 and n950 are in daily use. |
| 22:47.27 | rzr | no n9 ? |
| 22:47.33 | nwoki | hi guys, qtsdk fails to upload packages to my n9 all of a sudden. Anyone know what could cause this? |
| 22:48.03 | kimju | no, will probably get one used for the collection when they are starting to get obsolete :) |
| 22:48.13 | nwoki | tried a test app (qtsdk default) but neither can that be installed to device |
| 22:49.56 | kimju | rzr, anyway, I'll flash the n950 tomorrow and fix the kbd-package in some way or an another. |
| 22:50.17 | rzr | take your time |
| 22:50.25 | rzr | i just wanted to report the issue |
| 22:50.34 | nwoki | i get the "FILE NOT FOUND" error but the exe is there |
| 22:50.51 | rzr | i can rebuild it if you want |
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| 22:56.45 | djszapi | Hi! Do you know how to get the package not stripped after the ceremony ? override_dh_nostrip: did not help. Manual build remains unstripped, thus something is wrong about the packaging. |
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| 22:58.10 | ajalkane | lol, ceremony? |
| 22:58.23 | djszapi | packaging |
| 23:04.17 | ajalkane | how did you come up with the term ceremony for packaging? That's cool one. |
| 23:05.10 | djszapi | that is really behind my interest and point. |
| 23:05.17 | ZogG_lap1op | ~ceremony is the achient packaging process that was first invented my Maya shamans |
| 23:05.17 | infobot | ZogG_lap1op: okay |
| 23:05.47 | ZogG_lap1op | =) |
| 23:06.04 | ZogG_lap1op | djszapi is an old indian chief |
| 23:06.07 | ajalkane | I know, but I'm really intrigued |
| 23:06.19 | ZogG_lap1op | pass me the pipe of peace |
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| 23:06.49 | ajalkane | I'd like to one-up that and call it sermon |
| 23:07.25 | ZogG_lap1op | what is sermon? |
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| 23:07.58 | ZogG_lap1op | meh, ceremony is much better |
| 23:08.28 | ZogG_lap1op | control rules are more like sermon |
| 23:08.34 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/192866/ -> this is my rules file, so the debug option passed and the strip stage is also overriden properly. |
| 23:08.51 | ajalkane | ZogG_lap1op: On further thinking I think you're right |
| 23:09.59 | ZogG_lap1op | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-vBbqamNBU&feature=youtu.be - cool stuff |
| 23:11.28 | ajalkane | That Raspberry PI stuff gets me all jiggly wanting to get one. It'd make a fine small personal server. |
| 23:11.57 | ajalkane | And finally a server that my wife could not object to based on "that hideous thing makes awful noise" |
| 23:13.23 | djszapi | which world do you live in ? |
| 23:13.44 | djszapi | have had a server for many years without making noises. |
| 23:14.47 | rzr | ajalkane: running SSD ? |
| 23:14.48 | ajalkane | I live in a far away world, that includes a budgie, two children, and a wife that keeps my spending under control. Damn this mystical world! |
| 23:15.08 | rzr | my server/freedombox is my NAS |
| 23:15.36 | ajalkane | rzr: I think I could run my little server off an SD card. My previous server (may it rest in peace) used only few gigabytes of storage |
| 23:15.55 | rzr | ajalkane: what does it run ? ssh irc ? |
| 23:16.59 | ajalkane | rzr: yeah I pretty much used it only for irc client, svn server, jabber server (I don't even have use for that), and http server. Git repository would be useful now too. |
| 23:17.47 | ajalkane | ah yeah I used it as a game lobby server too, but it's not needed anymore for that |
| 23:20.29 | rzr | game lobby server ? |
| 23:20.38 | rzr | what is it supposed to be ? |
| 23:21.06 | ajalkane | rzr: it was just for on-line racing for this old game called Re-Volt |
| 23:23.00 | ZogG_lap1op | i use my server to download internets |
| 23:23.04 | ZogG_lap1op | simple enuf |
| 23:23.25 | ajalkane | But internet is so huge, I'd need a big HD :( |
| 23:24.11 | rzr | this mean internet2 exists !!! |
| 23:24.12 | rzr | if you download them all |
| 23:24.14 | rzr | how many internets are there ? |
| 23:24.28 | rzr | would aint be cool if we could setup a network of all internets ... |
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| 23:25.26 | ajalkane | That'd be a lot of porn. Cool! |
| 23:25.36 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 23:25.51 | itsnotabigtruck | https://gist.github.com/bbd16883e678b3c4ac12 here's a comparison of the packages in N9 variant 001 pr1.1, and N950 pr1.2 |
| 23:26.05 | itsnotabigtruck | ignoring versions |
| 23:26.27 | rzr | are you able to use telepathy-idle ? djszapi ? |
| 23:26.33 | itsnotabigtruck | a lot of it's just noise due to 001 vs DADD packages |
| 23:26.58 | ieatlint | oh good, they updated the swipe-tutorial |
| 23:27.41 | rzr | ieatlint: are u using it ? |
| 23:27.49 | ieatlint | of course |
| 23:27.59 | ieatlint | it's awesome |
| 23:28.11 | ajalkane | haha, u use tutorial. Noob! |
| 23:28.22 | ajalkane | btw. anyone know where swype dictionary resides? |
| 23:28.34 | ieatlint | hey, everyone was a noob at one point |
| 23:28.37 | ajalkane | Would like to backup it before I update |
| 23:29.06 | ajalkane | ieatlint: true that :(. I admit to looking at swype's web-page to learn it's magical features |
| 23:29.38 | ieatlint | ajalkane: you're confusing swype and swipe |
| 23:29.42 | ajalkane | I wonder if they fixed the problem with swype and the browser |
| 23:30.01 | ajalkane | oh... lol... yeah |
| 23:30.10 | ieatlint | what problem with the browser? |
| 23:31.07 | ajalkane | with swype keyboard enabled, if you hit keys one by one with an url that's already on the history it doesn't take all keystrokes but replaces the earlier keystrokes with later while updating the history view |
| 23:32.00 | itsnotabigtruck | actually, that means they took out swipe-tutorial :p |
| 23:32.08 | ieatlint | noooo |
| 23:32.11 | itsnotabigtruck | but that might just be because they don't ship that on dev units |
| 23:32.14 | rzr | right i missread i thought u were refering to the kb swype |
| 23:32.20 | ieatlint | ajalkane: i don't have that issue |
| 23:32.53 | ajalkane | ieatlint: with PR 1.1? |
| 23:33.01 | ieatlint | yes |
| 23:33.15 | ieatlint | although i just checked on an n9, but i doubt its different |
| 23:33.18 | ajalkane | Humm, strange. |
| 23:33.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the notable additions are XT9 for hebrew and thai, the dropbox client, and a upnp server |
| 23:33.42 | ieatlint | nope, same on the n950 |
| 23:33.55 | ajalkane | Say I have many twitter.com URLs in the history, and I start writing in the URL t...w...i, it just writes "ti" |
| 23:34.17 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: the nfc stuff for the n9 will be big |
| 23:34.19 | ajalkane | of course if I write slow enough it's successfull, but with normal speed not |
| 23:34.25 | ieatlint | and folders |
| 23:34.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: why is that? |
| 23:35.11 | itsnotabigtruck | nfc is dead on arrival technology being pushed by wishful thinking on the part of banks |
| 23:35.30 | ieatlint | heh, only if you think of it as a payment system |
| 23:35.32 | itsnotabigtruck | except the n9 doesn't support nfc payment anyway |
| 23:35.54 | itsnotabigtruck | so that makes it doubly useless |
| 23:35.57 | ieatlint | the updated version supposedly fixes some nfc issues, and adds some additional p2p functionality |
| 23:35.59 | itsnotabigtruck | cool concept though |
| 23:36.32 | ieatlint | the bluetooth pairing thing is actually really convenient, and nfc business cards are awesome |
| 23:36.41 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that there's a good chance i'll never meet anyone irl with an nfc phone, and who knows how to use it |
| 23:37.06 | ieatlint | actually, a significant number of the new android phones set to come out this year will have nfc |
| 23:37.13 | itsnotabigtruck | n9 isn't distributed through normal channels in the us, and most carrier subsidized phones with nfc have it turned off |
| 23:37.16 | ieatlint | and the rumours are still abound that the iphone5 will |
| 23:37.23 | itsnotabigtruck | when it is present, it's usually for payment, only |
| 23:37.27 | ajalkane | Maybe in 10 years. Since there's little hope of getting another maemo based device before then, we might be collecting our NFC rewards then |
| 23:37.35 | itsnotabigtruck | usually in conjunction with some carrier money grab |
| 23:38.15 | ieatlint | google is pushing the nfc bit for payments, and the benefits will be that it will become more common |
| 23:38.27 | ieatlint | but there are a lot of applications that are not payment related |
| 23:38.37 | ieatlint | the most obvious being exchanging vcards |
| 23:38.41 | itsnotabigtruck | and most of those applications have to do with wishful thinking on the part of marketers |
| 23:38.48 | ZogG_lap1op | i can read my bus card with nfc |
| 23:38.49 | itsnotabigtruck | they want a more intrusive version of qr codes |
| 23:38.56 | ZogG_lap1op | but it says it empty =\ |
| 23:39.04 | itsnotabigtruck | because qr cards took off like a tonne of bricks, with a few exceptions |
| 23:39.04 | ZogG_lap1op | though i know for sure it's not |
| 23:39.19 | itsnotabigtruck | *qr codes |
| 23:39.21 | ieatlint | ZogG_lap1op: the ones here can actually be read by a phone and will show you the balance on the card, and the last 10 trips you took or so |
| 23:39.35 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: intrusive? |
| 23:39.50 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: yeah, the idea is that it shows up if your phone is near the product/ad |
| 23:39.53 | ieatlint | and also, qrcodes are growing fast... they're on half the advertisements i see at bus stops |
| 23:39.55 | ZogG_lap1op | ieatlint: maybe mine is not that progresive ? |
| 23:40.10 | itsnotabigtruck | rather than requiring action to start the qr code reader, scan the code, open the link, etc. |
| 23:40.14 | ZogG_lap1op | ieatlint: or maybe it is incripted? |
| 23:40.29 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: near is a relative term, it's not like you walk by it and your phone beeps |
| 23:40.53 | ieatlint | ZogG_lap1op: likely... the transit card here is a mifare desfire card, which has read access but writing requires a key |
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| 23:41.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also personally i dislike the idea of those sorts of electronic transit cards (as mentioned earlier)...something like new york's system is a lot more anonymous |
| 23:41.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. throwaway magstripe cards that have no identity info |
| 23:42.01 | ieatlint | new york's system is annoying |
| 23:42.17 | itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to e.g. the uk system where you register your ID for a permanent transit card |
| 23:42.28 | ieatlint | and if you're about to turn this into a "the government is tracking you" conversation, no thanks |
| 23:42.32 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 23:42.44 | itsnotabigtruck | well, they are...that's not a conspiracy theory, that's a fact |
| 23:42.50 | ieatlint | i have an oyster card that doesn't have my name or credit card attached to |
| 23:43.00 | ieatlint | heh, hardly |
| 23:43.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it's just that they aren't interested in that many people, except for statistical purposes |
| 23:43.22 | itsnotabigtruck | but of course if the powers that be are interested in you, there's an almost limitless number of ways to follow where you are and what you do |
| 23:43.24 | ieatlint | they maintain records, sure |
| 23:43.41 | ieatlint | but here they need a judge to sign off on access to those records |
| 23:43.53 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the power of mass surveillance, you gather info on everybody, so that it's always ready when you want it |
| 23:44.20 | ieatlint | sounds like we should destroy all technology |
| 23:44.38 | ieatlint | and introduce legislation to ban unique identifiers |
| 23:44.49 | ieatlint | "an IMSI is really just a way for them to track you!" |
| 23:45.01 | itsnotabigtruck | o.O |
| 23:45.13 | itsnotabigtruck | obviously i'm not advocating the first part |
| 23:45.20 | itsnotabigtruck | as for the latter part, in many ways it is |
| 23:45.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it offers a convenient way to continue geolocating people if they swap sims but not phones |
| 23:46.13 | ieatlint | actually the other way |
| 23:46.18 | ieatlint | if they swap phones but not sims |
| 23:46.30 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, right, i was thinking of the IMEI |
| 23:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | the IMSI obviously services a purpose |
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| 23:49.35 | itsnotabigtruck | it is kinda strange how smart cards (in all forms) haven't really caught on at all in the us |
| 23:50.34 | itsnotabigtruck | the only real exception is the sim card, and over half of cell phone users are on cdma networks and therefore don't have those either |
| 23:51.19 | itsnotabigtruck | but e.g. contactless smart transit cards, emv credit cards, smart id cards, etc. haven't really been deployed |
| 23:51.23 | ieatlint | the lte networks use sim cards actually |
| 23:51.42 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah but vzw is barely starting to deploy lte |
| 23:51.52 | ieatlint | but contactless transit cards are in at least two major cities i know |
| 23:52.12 | itsnotabigtruck | not nyc, chicago, or wash dc though |
| 23:52.16 | ieatlint | just thought of a third... seattle, boston and san francisco [bay area] |
| 23:52.51 | itsnotabigtruck | actually maybe chicago, i'm not sure |
| 23:53.13 | ieatlint | probably not too far from off in dc, the company that runs the metro's fare gates is the same one that runs the transit card for san francisco, cubic |
| 23:53.42 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the chicago el uses contactless |
| 23:53.56 | itsnotabigtruck | and that's cubic also |
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| 23:55.06 | ieatlint | also, for vehicles, an active rfid system is used across the country |
| 23:55.35 | itsnotabigtruck | right, ez-pass |
| 23:55.43 | itsnotabigtruck | (screw everything about that) |
| 23:55.46 | ieatlint | really it's just payment cards that don't have them |
| 23:56.26 | itsnotabigtruck | the federal gov never should have allowed interstates to have tolls |
| 23:57.26 | ieatlint | happily out west where i live, they don't have tolls |
| 23:57.48 | itsnotabigtruck | they're inching in slowly |
| 23:58.04 | ieatlint | not really |
| 23:58.13 | itsnotabigtruck | they're putting in a new bridge over the columbia, and the portland government insists on tolling it |
| 23:58.27 | itsnotabigtruck | also the washington state gov has imposed tolls on some bridges |
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| 23:58.47 | ieatlint | oh, tolls are bridges are another story |
| 23:58.47 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure there's tolls in CA too |
| 23:59.10 | ieatlint | only on bridges, and 4 highways in orange county that nobody cares about |
| 23:59.19 | itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_73#Tolls google turned up this after a short search |
| 23:59.22 | itsnotabigtruck | that's probably one of those 4 :p |
| 23:59.28 | ajalkane | trolls and bridges is just a fairy tale. I should know, I've read it to my kid |
| 23:59.46 | ieatlint | yep, and if you look at it, it runs parallel to a larger road that's free |
| 23:59.58 | itsnotabigtruck | the point is, local and state governments are always looking for ways to claw more money, and tolls are an effective way to do that |