| 00:11.58 | javispedro | why there are not cyan 64 GiB N9s =) |
| 00:12.31 | arekinath | because cyan is too awesome |
| 00:12.38 | arekinath | (I have no idea) |
| 00:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | probably 64GB selling less than 16GB, and cyan selling less than black |
| 00:14.32 | JackaLX | When I bought my N9 they said cyan 64Gb would be available at the end of the year (2011) I guess it didn't happen :-( |
| 00:15.02 | arekinath | market segmentation... the goal isn't to make the perfect product, it's to make the set of products that in aggregate sells the best |
| 00:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | or they got no firmware for the 64GB cyan XP |
| 00:15.34 | javispedro | they used a signed char for the variant field |
| 00:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | "unexpected problems" |
| 00:15.49 | javispedro | and the 64GiB cyan was num 128 :) |
| 00:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe |
| 00:16.45 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the firmware has to comprehend for the missing colour absorption of the cyan case, but it can't when there is 64 gb of mem to keep safe ;) |
| 00:16.54 | javispedro | on most youtube N9 videos I get ads for the hooker800. |
| 00:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly would pay a beer for anybody plausibly explaining that Nokia ever did firmware versions that were *really* tailored to the case color |
| 00:17.45 | merlin1991 | maybe they do have a slightly different colour set in the menus and os on |
| 00:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | I already suspected that |
| 00:18.19 | merlin1991 | according to some silly stats about appealing colour combinations |
| 00:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | but nobody showed me a color-natched firmware yet |
| 00:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | on *any* Nokia |
| 00:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | matched* |
| 00:18.52 | javispedro | actually the cyan 16 GiB is in truth a black 64GiB, but 48GiB are filled with the binary for a hyper advanced algorithm that causes the case to change color |
| 00:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | micro DLP creating interference color filters |
| 00:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | like with insects |
| 00:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | butterflies |
| 00:19.53 | merlin1991 | I like javispedros explanation |
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| 00:32.05 | Tronic | White 64 GB is quite cool though. |
| 00:33.33 | JackaLX | call me old fashioned but I think black is the best colour |
| 00:33.45 | merlin1991 | :nod: |
| 00:33.47 | JackaLX | but that may be because I have a black N9 |
| 00:34.06 | merlin1991 | any colour is good, as long as it is black |
| 00:34.15 | JackaLX | :-) |
| 00:34.55 | ieatlint | i like that there's a choice at least |
| 00:35.14 | ieatlint | i found it interesting that all the n9s handed out in munich dev days were blue, and all handed out in sf dev days were black |
| 00:36.05 | javispedro | waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 00:37.22 | javispedro | I want a N9 :'( |
| 00:38.01 | ieatlint | how about a lumia 800 instead? |
| 00:38.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | WUT? |
| 00:38.16 | javispedro | ieatlint: I _already_ have the lumia |
| 00:38.22 | ieatlint | congrats! |
| 00:38.36 | Tronic | ieatlint: What is that good for? |
| 00:38.39 | ieatlint | (it's surprising i don't get punched more often) |
| 00:39.00 | javispedro | I'd say "my commiserations" instead of congrats, but that's another story. |
| 00:39.26 | ieatlint | yeah, i played with mine a bit... really depressing |
| 00:39.33 | Tronic | So close but so far away... If only could I Flash Harmattan onto the Lumia 800. |
| 00:39.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | what good for is a N9? |
| 00:39.58 | ieatlint | i'll give the search app some credit, but that's the only thing remotely "nice" |
| 00:40.11 | javispedro | ieatlint: search app? you mean... bing? |
| 00:40.16 | javispedro | are you giving bing credit and calling it nice? |
| 00:40.40 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer51: I might actually prefer that over N950, if not for the "developer only device" coolness factor. |
| 00:40.41 | ieatlint | javispedro: say what you will, but the voice recognition worked pretty well for me, and the camera-based stuff wasn't bad at all |
| 00:41.08 | javispedro | ?? |
| 00:41.12 | ieatlint | it read barcodes faster than meescan for instance, and i didn't have terrible luck with the OCR support |
| 00:41.14 | javispedro | camera stuff only recognizes qr codes here |
| 00:41.31 | Tronic | All open source barcode recognition programs that I have seen have been horribly bad. |
| 00:41.32 | javispedro | ieatlint: US locale? |
| 00:41.38 | ieatlint | uh, well for me it can identify some objects (like hold a book cover in front of it) |
| 00:41.41 | Tronic | I guess they are all based on the same libs. |
| 00:41.56 | ieatlint | and it can do OCR on uniformly printed text |
| 00:42.24 | ieatlint | and yeah, US locale, but the same firmware as all of you |
| 00:42.50 | ieatlint | i just clicked US on first boot (and then stared in surprise that it immediately had to reboot in order to apply that change) |
| 00:42.58 | Tronic | I think that Shazam is not available when using Finnish locale and that my credit card payments get rejected when using the UK locale. |
| 00:43.31 | ieatlint | oh, yeah, it also had the built in song recognition thing |
| 00:43.34 | Tronic | It would have been interesting to try that app but apparently they don't want me to buy it. |
| 00:43.53 | ieatlint | it's wp7 and bing, but i can't deny that small aspect was decent |
| 00:48.24 | javispedro | I guess it's something like the google goggles |
| 00:48.39 | ieatlint | pretty much |
| 00:48.42 | javispedro | they are quite impressive stuff, but I do have to wonder their usefulness |
| 00:48.50 | javispedro | specially if they require connectivity... |
| 00:48.52 | Tronic | ieatlint: Where did you find speech recognition or song recognition? |
| 00:48.55 | ieatlint | but they threw in the google voice search and shazaam |
| 00:49.07 | ieatlint | Tronic: from the home screen, press the search button |
| 00:49.13 | ieatlint | then there are icons for each |
| 00:49.21 | javispedro | actually, from any screen |
| 00:49.29 | javispedro | the search button will launch bing no matter where you are |
| 00:49.43 | javispedro | a decision I can bet the reasoning behind it :) |
| 00:49.44 | ieatlint | yeah, wasn't sure on that, hadn't used the phone enough to get the behaviour that well down |
| 00:50.19 | ieatlint | and yeah, should submit a support request asking why google isn't available |
| 00:50.21 | ieatlint | :P |
| 00:50.44 | Tronic | Barcode scanning doesn't seem to do UPC. |
| 00:51.00 | javispedro | on mine at least it says |
| 00:51.21 | javispedro | "Point to a QR-code or a MS tag" |
| 00:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | a wut? |
| 00:52.01 | javispedro | hey it works |
| 00:52.02 | ieatlint | mine says 1d or 2d barcode, an object like a book or dvd (although it recognize a handful of other things) |
| 00:52.12 | Tronic | javispedro: Same here but I was hoping that it would also do other types of barcodes (at the very least other types of 2d barcodes). |
| 00:52.17 | ieatlint | and if there is text on the screen, a button appears that says "scan text" |
| 00:52.17 | javispedro | there's a button for OCR on the bottom :) |
| 00:52.40 | javispedro | oh, that might explain why it was not there previously :) |
| 00:53.05 | ieatlint | the OCR is kinda half-assed admittedly |
| 00:53.24 | javispedro | I pointed it to this window and it translated DocScrutinizer's previous message as "Doctor Scrutinizer: ¿un wut?" (a wut? as in "one wut?") |
| 00:53.29 | ieatlint | but the search app thing as a whole is the most interesting part of the phone |
| 00:54.57 | javispedro | not bad |
| 00:55.07 | javispedro | but I was more impressed with the google thing =) |
| 00:55.13 | ieatlint | it couldn't be all crap :P |
| 00:55.19 | javispedro | still, totally useless |
| 00:55.24 | ieatlint | yeah, exactly |
| 00:55.27 | javispedro | though I'd die for working, accurate, local voice recognition. |
| 00:55.33 | ieatlint | everyone said "wow, that's awesome", but it was never practical |
| 00:55.51 | ieatlint | that's not happening anytime soon |
| 00:56.03 | Tronic | Is the microphone listening option supposed to detect songs? |
| 00:56.11 | Tronic | Tried britney spears and metallica with no success. |
| 00:56.18 | ieatlint | no, the microphone is speech |
| 00:56.23 | ieatlint | there should be a music icon |
| 00:56.29 | javispedro | you can also dictate in the onenote app at least |
| 00:56.31 | Tronic | Okay, depends on locale then, I guess. |
| 00:56.45 | javispedro | seems so :( |
| 00:56.47 | ieatlint | i have 4 icons |
| 00:56.55 | Tronic | I only have eye and mic. |
| 00:56.56 | javispedro | I only have the icon for music in Bing |
| 00:57.00 | javispedro | I have music and eye :) |
| 00:57.17 | javispedro | but I can dictate to onenote |
| 00:57.19 | ieatlint | "scout", which is meh; a music note icon which is the song identifier, an eye which is the google goggles knock off and a microphone for speech |
| 00:57.23 | javispedro | so no idea why I can't dictate to bing |
| 00:57.46 | ieatlint | javispedro: hold down the windows button |
| 00:58.06 | javispedro | that is commands, not dictation |
| 00:58.12 | javispedro | and it works locally btw |
| 00:58.20 | javispedro | but commands/navigation is much easier than dictation |
| 00:58.23 | ieatlint | defaults to search unless you use a command |
| 00:58.40 | ieatlint | heh, ok, i need to stop this before i get accused of being a plant |
| 00:58.44 | Tronic | Nokia had voice commands on S40 something like a decade ago. |
| 00:58.45 | ieatlint | plus i feel a little dirty now |
| 00:58.47 | javispedro | doesn't here, it says "I don't understand" |
| 00:59.02 | Tronic | (not quite sure if it was even S40 by then) |
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| 00:59.13 | javispedro | hmpf |
| 00:59.18 | javispedro | the onenote thing is not dictation |
| 00:59.21 | ieatlint | i know the bing search results were WAY too sanitized |
| 00:59.22 | javispedro | it just stored the voice note |
| 00:59.28 | Tronic | It's a good feature to have, though. |
| 00:59.35 | Tronic | Especially when using a handsfree. |
| 00:59.46 | ieatlint | i'm not wanting to search for porn, but they seemed to try and eliminate any results that could be remotely deemed sexual |
| 01:00.06 | ieatlint | (and at the same time, half the time when it misunderstood me, it defaulted to sexual-based searches) |
| 01:00.39 | Tronic | Switching to US locale didn't help. |
| 01:00.43 | Tronic | Still no extra buttons. |
| 01:00.49 | ieatlint | which i can only assume is caused by the fact that people screwing around with it are more likely to treat it like the dictionary when you're 10: looking up "dirty" words |
| 01:01.33 | ieatlint | (btw, the dictionary totally has words like "sex" and "butt" in it -- it's awesome) |
| 01:04.19 | Tronic | Bing speech recognition is quite good but it doesn't seem to understand Lumia :P |
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| 01:09.00 | Tronic | Text recognition is unusably bad and I didn't get detection on Bluray covers either. |
| 01:09.55 | javispedro | you could use Ovi Contacts from the N9? |
| 01:10.12 | javispedro | ah yes, sorry |
| 01:25.58 | Tronic | Google's speech recognition (VoiceToGoog on N9) seems to be of equal quality. |
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| 01:38.14 | Tronic | I did reset all the phone settings and now the market has also a music store (previously only apps and games), and I can find Shazam again (but cannot buy it of course). |
| 01:40.13 | Tronic | Also Bing now has music detection. |
| 01:40.52 | ieatlint | that makes sense: the phone isn't available in the US, but the US market has additional features |
| 01:46.48 | Tronic | Actually I used UK but US seems to have the same things. |
| 01:46.51 | Tronic | Finland doesn't. |
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| 01:47.32 | Tronic | And anyway the phone should be available in the US shortly, I guess? |
| 01:47.47 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: the what? |
| 01:47.53 | itsnotabigtruck | if you mean the n9, nein |
| 01:47.57 | Tronic | Talking of Lumia 800 here. |
| 01:48.01 | itsnotabigtruck | ah ok |
| 01:48.24 | itsnotabigtruck | well, they launched the 710 on t-mobile but not the 800...i wouldn't get my hopes up too much |
| 01:48.41 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia seems to have a knack for refusing to launch any half decent phone in the us |
| 01:48.47 | itsnotabigtruck | then they wonder why they get no sales from the us |
| 01:49.43 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, so looking at the backlog, i was assuming that aegisfs just didn't let you read stuff that was put there from closed mode - so apparently, aegisfs is completely broken in open mode, and that breaks close to everything? |
| 01:49.58 | ieatlint | Tronic: i wouldn't bet on it |
| 01:49.59 | Tronic | With US locale I also get "podcasts" on store. |
| 01:51.03 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone looked into how aegisfs actually works |
| 01:51.38 | itsnotabigtruck | and how the phone detects tampering when going from open mode to closed mode? |
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| 02:49.23 | merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: it was stated a few days ago that early in the boot process, prob by nolo, the chip that holds the aegis fs data gets notified about open or closed mode |
| 02:49.34 | merlin1991 | and depending on that uses another cert for data access |
| 03:10.10 | itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: ah, ok |
| 03:10.30 | itsnotabigtruck | still, if you can screw with the filesystem and go back to closed mode, there has to be a way to subvert this |
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| 04:43.44 | beford | I kinda hate that qtcreator doesn't show harmattan components on the Design view |
| 04:43.46 | beford | :c |
| 05:15.21 | RST38h | MEANWHILE: HP renames its TouchSmart software Magic Canvas, plans to install it on all desktops (even non-touch ones) |
| 05:24.46 | beford | madness |
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| 09:55.15 | gabriel9 | morning |
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| 10:23.57 | RST38h | yawns |
| 10:24.33 | admiral0 | hello |
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| 10:35.16 | dm8tbr | gnaaaah meecast screwed up the homescreen applet |
| 10:35.22 | dm8tbr | how do I install it manually? |
| 10:37.45 | kevin_b | hello |
| 10:37.57 | kevin_b | dm8tbr ; what is "it" ? homescreen applet? |
| 10:38.19 | dm8tbr | it thinks it's installed but I'm pretty sure it isn't |
| 10:39.27 | dm8tbr | and yes that widget |
| 10:41.14 | kevin_b | sorry I feel confused by "homescreen applet" |
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| 10:41.39 | kevin_b | is it the app, allowing you to build some mini widget like in maemo desktop? |
| 10:42.08 | kevin_b | or is it the homeviews, that are screwed? |
| 10:42.26 | kevin_b | or is it the icons in the AppList homeview that are screwed |
| 10:42.36 | kevin_b | :D |
| 10:45.06 | auenf | the meecast homescreen applet needs to be a little wider |
| 10:45.36 | auenf | Cambelltown (GPS) is only visible as ambelltown (GP |
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| 11:35.50 | Stecchino | niwakame|away: are you publishing the extra im-providers on the ovi store? |
| 11:37.37 | macmaN | Jaffa: lol that twitter reply was irc-fast-like |
| 11:37.38 | macmaN | :) |
| 11:38.49 | macmaN | jaffa: but afair, wifi-assistant was about just detecting a captive portal and then automating opening a webpage with no subsequent automation based on a per-hotspot learning process. |
| 11:39.59 | Jaffa | macmaN: True |
| 11:40.29 | Jaffa | macmaN: For the second bit you could do something like http://gitorious.org/jaffas-playground/sas which captures input fields to automate an airline's mobile check-in website |
| 11:41.06 | Jaffa | macmaN: First stage is to detect the captive portal and open browser window. Automating subsequent actions would be brilliant (given all the hotels I'm travelling to atm) |
| 11:41.32 | macmaN | yeah. although definitely the point is valid that at least wifi-assistant doesnt keep you in the dark. |
| 11:42.13 | macmaN | otherwise youre cursing out your fb app for not connecting when it in fact is just waiting on the captive portal. theres a serious fail here in the overall process. |
| 11:43.07 | macmaN | i think it might do well with a collaborative backend type thing |
| 11:43.29 | macmaN | to be able to share learned hotspots |
| 11:44.12 | macmaN | although not entirely sure how the syncing would work... i dont think i will need some african hotspots portal scripts be stored on my phone. |
| 11:44.31 | Jaffa | macmaN: But it'll be handful of bytes |
| 11:44.41 | Jaffa | macmaN: But it's the specific data; rather than the fields which need to be captured. |
| 11:44.42 | macmaN | but i think per-city hotspots might work |
| 11:44.50 | macmaN | s/hotspots/databases |
| 11:45.04 | Jaffa | macmaN: And then you could just store off JSON data of all the user-visible fields for replay by that user |
| 11:46.14 | macmaN | right. either way, i think just getting a proof of concept with no regard to storage efficiency and that other finetuning crap would be very good :> |
| 11:46.31 | Jaffa | macmaN: Aye; happy to contribute if you get it started |
| 11:49.02 | macmaN | word. ill ping you in the case i get something started. |
| 11:49.13 | Jaffa | macmaN: Ta |
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| 13:15.22 | Corsac | hmh, is there a way to see changelog information for app updates? |
| 13:15.42 | X-Fade | Corsac: No, not easily. |
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| 13:16.20 | X-Fade | The debian changelog of course can have some info. |
| 13:17.12 | Corsac | except it's not on the device |
| 13:18.01 | X-Fade | There is a special field that can be used in the control file, but I it is not being used afaik :) |
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| 13:36.37 | amppa | Corsac: i think there was a field for changes shown in the store if you're distributing there |
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| 13:45.03 | marsje | hey |
| 13:45.18 | Corsac | amppa: I'm not distributing anything, but I really would like to know what are the changes when I update apps |
| 13:45.25 | marsje | I flashed my n9 to PR1.1 yesterday |
| 13:45.34 | marsje | it worked |
| 13:45.55 | marsje | but now when I type devel-su in the terminal, the only thing is says is "incorrect password" |
| 13:46.21 | marsje | how can I reset my root password? |
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| 13:47.24 | Corsac | rootme |
| 13:48.09 | janmalte | I was wondering where the central meeting point for the n9 is. For the n900 everything was at maemo.org, but for the n9? still maemo.org? or meego.com? |
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| 13:52.32 | auenf | janmalte, http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/12/tedious-fragmentation-maemoorg-meegocom.html |
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| 14:34.38 | janmalte | thanks auenf for the interesting blog post. it is exactly was i was wondering/complain about. |
| 14:35.02 | janmalte | Yet an other question, where can i post a suggestion for the rss feed app on N9? |
| 14:35.19 | janmalte | I'm missing a feature to limit the items displayed in the feed view. |
| 14:35.40 | thp | janmalte: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ |
| 14:35.41 | janmalte | but don't know where i can reach the author or company to tell them about it |
| 14:35.45 | janmalte | thanks |
| 14:42.50 | decibyte | thp, i'd also like to thank you for the blog post. guess it's what everybody is thinking. symptomatic that your own blog seems the best place to write about it :) |
| 14:43.42 | thp | decibyte: now that the problem is made clear, i'd like for someone to step up and solve it ;) |
| 14:45.57 | X-Fade | thp: Working on some things at least. |
| 14:46.03 | decibyte | thp, hehe. yeah! though i don't know who that someone should be. |
| 14:46.33 | X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2012/01/apps-for-meego.html |
| 14:47.34 | decibyte | i mean, it's hard to go in and be a replacement what nokia did (time, money, everything) for fremantle and earlier maemoes. all respect to those who try to do _something_ |
| 14:47.47 | thp | X-Fade: nice, thanks :) will grab the apps testing enabler |
| 14:48.04 | X-Fade | thp: It is now in apps itself, makes it a bit easier. |
| 14:48.34 | thp | yes, i wondered how to get the testing things onto the device |
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| 14:48.55 | X-Fade | thp: Well there is this really big button up there ;) |
| 14:48.57 | thp | X-Fade: also, is it correct that when sending a push request to the apps testing repo, i have to make sure that the old version is removed? |
| 14:49.28 | X-Fade | thp: You push releases. So you basically everything you would upload to the autobuilder. |
| 14:49.44 | decibyte | X-Fade: wow, nice job! |
| 14:49.51 | X-Fade | thp: So that means that you either osc rm oldstuff, osc add newstuff. |
| 14:49.56 | rm_work | ACK |
| 14:50.11 | rm_work | should stop being pinged on any use of "rm" in linux related channels :P |
| 14:50.32 | X-Fade | osc rm_work * :) |
| 14:52.10 | thp | rm_work: i got the same problem with "toothpaste" |
| 14:52.22 | X-Fade | lol |
| 14:52.37 | decibyte | is updates coming automagically to the device like for ovi apps? (as in: some sort of repo underneath?) |
| 14:52.38 | rm_work | lol |
| 14:53.26 | thp | decibyte: yep it seems like that |
| 14:53.44 | thp | X-Fade: and apparently it also seems like the problem with ovi install -> apps for meego upgrade has also been solved already? |
| 14:53.49 | X-Fade | decibyte: Yes. |
| 14:54.12 | X-Fade | thp: I'm still testing that. |
| 14:54.30 | X-Fade | But uninstall->install always works. |
| 14:54.36 | decibyte | yay! this is _really_ great news. you guys rock. this solves one of the biggest issues. |
| 14:54.53 | decibyte | (please forgive me for stating the obvious) |
| 14:55.03 | X-Fade | decibyte: apps is just a repo, like extras. |
| 14:55.20 | X-Fade | decibyte: And this just notifies you when there are updates. |
| 14:55.24 | decibyte | i miss extras. well... now i don't do anymore :) |
| 14:55.58 | decibyte | but do users have to add a repo or does the n9client do that when installed? |
| 14:56.14 | X-Fade | The client adds it automatically. |
| 14:56.36 | X-Fade | And also pulls in the community aegis policy. |
| 14:56.54 | thp | X-Fade: will it be possible comment, rate and review apps from within the AFM client app? |
| 14:57.01 | X-Fade | So after that, you don't need to have 'allow install from unsecure sources' enabled anymore. |
| 14:57.14 | X-Fade | thp: Yes, that is on our todo. |
| 14:57.28 | decibyte | paving the way to world domination now. |
| 14:57.59 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: any ide why my app (http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/mieru/) is still stuck in testing ? it already has 6 positive testing reports and last update was published cca 14 days ago :) |
| 14:58.06 | M4rtinK | *idea |
| 14:58.17 | decibyte | who pays for this? infrastructure, etc? |
| 14:58.27 | X-Fade | decibyte: Nokia |
| 14:58.42 | X-Fade | decibyte: This is hosted next to maemo.org |
| 14:58.43 | decibyte | okay. they're not _all_ bad guys. |
| 14:58.57 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: No, 5 positive, one negative. |
| 14:59.33 | M4rtinK | ah, now I see |
| 14:59.44 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: I wondered too today :) |
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| 14:59.57 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: But then noticed that :) |
| 15:00.56 | X-Fade | We even have a bot which will notify on promotion etc. |
| 15:01.04 | X-Fade | But someone got annoyed and banned it ;) |
| 15:01.12 | M4rtinK | looks like one of the testers probably forgot to tick the checkbox |
| 15:01.24 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: They can edit their vote. |
| 15:01.27 | Corsac | ok, tracker-store really starts to piss me off |
| 15:01.34 | M4rtinK | yeah I wondered why I'm not getting even any emails, etc. :) |
| 15:01.52 | X-Fade | You should be getting emails when promotion happens. |
| 15:01.53 | M4rtinK | ok then, time to ping the Mieru user community :) |
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| 15:02.59 | sivang | hi all |
| 15:03.05 | sivang | is root login on ssh disabled by default? |
| 15:03.19 | sivang | I can devel-su, but I cannot ssh to the device with -lroot using the password I Set. |
| 15:03.20 | X-Fade | sivang: yes |
| 15:03.24 | sivang | X-Fade: okay, good |
| 15:03.31 | M4rtinK | BTW, if anyone is willing to test my application on their N9/50, it welly be very appreciated :) |
| 15:03.33 | sivang | I think this was not so before the last fw upgrade |
| 15:03.42 | X-Fade | sivang: Unless you have R&D certs in your device. |
| 15:04.40 | sivang | X-Fade: what are those? |
| 15:04.49 | sivang | (if I may ask, been a while since I did on device dev) |
| 15:04.54 | X-Fade | sivang: Nevermind ;) |
| 15:05.04 | janmalte | M4rtinK: i would do so, but i have some trouble about read-only mounting of my fat partition. untill this will be fixed, i can't install any app at the moment.... |
| 15:05.09 | sivang | X-Fade: is this the id_rsa.pub I can install through the SDK? |
| 15:05.21 | X-Fade | sivang: No, it is for people who work for Nokia. |
| 15:06.31 | M4rtinK | janmalte: well, thanks in advance :) |
| 15:07.08 | Corsac | ssh as root is a bad idea anyway |
| 15:07.42 | X-Fade | And root is not quite the root you expect also :) |
| 15:07.46 | jonni | sivang: http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt but toor is bad idea anyways atleast on default paswords |
| 15:07.52 | X-Fade | Most things you really want to do as a user. |
| 15:12.55 | sivang | Corsac: agreed |
| 15:13.06 | sivang | X-Fade: indeed, as test-deploy my app |
| 15:13.26 | X-Fade | sivang: It will only run as user, so ;) |
| 15:13.35 | Corsac | ok, now I can't even send and read sms |
| 15:13.38 | Corsac | cries |
| 15:13.41 | sivang | I was actually looking to see that 1.1 disabled ssh root login |
| 15:14.01 | sivang | and now I'm relieved :) |
| 15:14.03 | sivang | thanks X-Fade |
| 15:14.07 | janmalte | i could use some real root too like it seems: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1145343#post1145473 |
| 15:14.28 | janmalte | do you have any idea what i can do except reflashing the whole device? |
| 15:14.58 | sivang | janmalte: what happened to it? |
| 15:15.19 | janmalte | i don't know .... suddenly MyDocs is mounted only readonly |
| 15:15.24 | janmalte | every time |
| 15:15.26 | marsje | PR1.1 also seems to have erased my root password |
| 15:15.40 | marsje | does it have a new default password maybe? |
| 15:16.05 | Corsac | rootme |
| 15:17.01 | marsje | doesn't work |
| 15:17.09 | marsje | don't understand what happened |
| 15:17.20 | marsje | I thought that yesterday it worked |
| 15:17.32 | marsje | maybe I made a typo changing the password or something |
| 15:17.37 | sivang | Corsac: rootme does not work anymore |
| 15:17.41 | jonni | you can use rescue kernel&initrd to reset your password back to normal |
| 15:17.43 | Corsac | it sure works for me |
| 15:17.54 | sivang | Corsac: nor is the new password I set to root using devel-su; passwd root |
| 15:18.16 | sivang | Corsac: ssh localhost -lroot from the device after developer login? 'user' also does not login |
| 15:18.50 | jonni | sivang: -lroot only works if you follow the instructions on that web page |
| 15:19.06 | jonni | sivang: by default only -ldeveloper works |
| 15:19.48 | marsje | jonni: rescue kernel&init? |
| 15:20.24 | jonni | marsje: same thing that you use to fix malf, instructions are on wiki |
| 15:20.46 | jonni | marsje: instead of fixing malf you just edit /etc/passwd |
| 15:20.58 | Corsac | sivang: ssh doesn't work as root, as we already told you |
| 15:21.04 | Corsac | sivang: use ssh as developer then devel-su |
| 15:22.40 | thp | X-Fade: btw, what about having something like forum.formeego.org be the forum link for harmattan and either redirect to a subforum on meego.com or TMO or ask reggie to create a simple forum in the style of apps.formeego.org and move threads from meego.com handset forum and tmo harmattan there? |
| 15:23.20 | marsje | jonni: do you have a link, because I'm not sure what you are talking about yet :) |
| 15:23.31 | X-Fade | thp: I feel that we really need some cleanup in the harmattan forum. |
| 15:23.43 | X-Fade | Having it at talk it probably the best solution. |
| 15:23.54 | X-Fade | As meego is really going away at some point. |
| 15:24.00 | jonni | marsje: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state |
| 15:24.12 | thp | X-Fade: that "some point" being soon (<6 months)? |
| 15:24.13 | X-Fade | And we share a lot with maemo.org anyway (same people) |
| 15:24.18 | X-Fade | thp: Oh yes. |
| 15:24.59 | thp | X-Fade: i think quim mentioned that people new to the n9 might have a hard time associating maemo.org with the "meego harmattan" n9, so maybe we can have the forum on formeego.org somewhere |
| 15:25.06 | marsje | jonni: thanks! |
| 15:25.07 | thp | and ideally sharing the TMO infrastructure |
| 15:25.17 | X-Fade | thp: We should not kid ourselves. |
| 15:25.30 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: what about the forum.meego.com, meego.com accounts and COBS ? |
| 15:25.36 | X-Fade | thp: Basically all knowledge of maemo applies. |
| 15:25.37 | thp | yep, most of the n9 users really come from a maemo background anyway |
| 15:26.03 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: We intend to migrate that over to maemo.org |
| 15:26.10 | M4rtinK | nice ! :) |
| 15:26.45 | thp | X-Fade: so formeego.org will be used strictly for the apps. subdomain? |
| 15:27.10 | X-Fade | thp: There are other things there, but like you said, we should not fragment any more. |
| 15:27.51 | thp | X-Fade: in that case, the simple(?) solution would be to ask reggie to shut down the meego.com handset subforum and move all threads there to TMO (which might be non-trivial, due to the different user base/usernames) |
| 15:28.30 | X-Fade | thp: I'd leave it there, but read only it and point to somewhere else. |
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| 15:29.40 | thp | X-Fade: also possible, but what happens when meego.com "disappears"? then all these useful threads will be lost. so maybe a read-only archive of all threads somewhere below formeego.org or maemo.org could do the trick? |
| 15:30.10 | X-Fade | thp: Well, we can back them up anyway. We have root ;) |
| 15:30.32 | X-Fade | thp: It is just that the site might go away at some point. |
| 15:30.57 | kevin_b | hey guys! |
| 15:31.14 | wirwe | ks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 3 voices, 167 normal] |
| 15:31.14 | wirwe | 16:30 -!- Channel #harmattan created Wed Jun 22 11:56:40 2011 |
| 15:31.15 | X-Fade | But I don't think Reggie has a lot of time to do migrations/merges. |
| 15:31.23 | kevin_b | Does your harmattan oftenly ask you the pass for your facebook acount |
| 15:31.39 | thp | X-Fade: meego.com is owned by the linux foundation and formeego.org is owned by the maemo.org maintainers? or who owns what? |
| 15:32.00 | X-Fade | thp: dm8tbr owns it, maemo.org hosts it. |
| 15:32.01 | kevin_b | Harmattan keep prompt me for my facebook password, every hour... |
| 15:32.08 | kevin_b | is that normal? |
| 15:32.18 | X-Fade | kevin_b: yes, that is a bug. |
| 15:32.25 | kevin_b | ok fine wwaiting for pr 1.2 : |
| 15:32.26 | kevin_b | :p |
| 15:32.37 | jonni | normal bug in pr1.1 which is fixed in future pr release |
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| 15:36.26 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: You should get mail. |
| 15:36.41 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: meiru just got the last vote. |
| 15:37.14 | thp | X-Fade: the reason why i would like to have the meego.com forum things moved to maemo.org/formeego.org is that when meego.com goes away, all links will break, so the earlier we move it, the more time we have to update links, etc.. |
| 15:37.45 | X-Fade | thp: Yeah, I get that. Problem is that migrating userbases is alway a major pain. |
| 15:40.21 | X-Fade | thp: And I don't think Reggie has a lot of time. |
| 15:41.04 | thp | yep, sure. just wanted to get that idea out there ;) |
| 15:42.12 | X-Fade | We could copy over some interesting info though. |
| 15:42.29 | X-Fade | I don't know how much good info is in there. |
| 15:43.03 | thp | X-Fade: heuristic: sort by view count, descending and take the upper 20%? |
| 15:43.09 | merlin1991 | is more concerned if apps formeego will ever get a dependency system |
| 15:43.26 | X-Fade | merlin1991: read my blogpost :) |
| 15:43.36 | merlin1991 | link please |
| 15:43.46 | X-Fade | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2012/01/apps-for-meego.html |
| 15:43.50 | X-Fade | At the end. |
| 15:44.07 | X-Fade | But I will post some more info on the wiki hopefully this week. |
| 15:44.15 | X-Fade | I have been testing with that. |
| 15:44.38 | merlin1991 | that looks promising |
| 15:44.52 | merlin1991 | shares thp latest rant about an extras equivalent on harmattan :D |
| 15:45.14 | thp | X-Fade: btw, at http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit there it says "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" for 'to target project', but in the section "What happens next" it says "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Testing" - is that correct or should the second one also be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing? |
| 15:45.48 | X-Fade | thp: Ouch, that is a typo. |
| 15:46.49 | thp | anyway, i'm off for now. talk to you guys later :) |
| 15:46.59 | X-Fade | thp: Ok, later! |
| 15:50.41 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: I haven't received any mail, but Mieru seems to have made it to the main repo just fine :) |
| 15:50.53 | M4rtinK | I even see it in the Apps client |
| 15:51.07 | M4rtinK | already |
| 15:52.17 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: Hmm ok, need to check because I got the mail 15 mins ago. |
| 15:55.21 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: should it go to the email address registered on meego.com ? |
| 15:55.36 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yes. |
| 15:56.27 | M4rtinK | nothing, even in the spam folder (it's a gmail address) |
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| 15:58.44 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: also, the icon in the category view is missing: http://apps.formeego.org/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/ |
| 16:00.18 | M4rtinK | and the Apps installer shows a white question mark on blue background instead of the icon :) |
| 16:00.42 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, it seems the icon sometimes doesn't get imported correctly. We are debugging that. |
| 16:01.04 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: ok :) |
| 16:07.43 | Corsac | does someone know if there's a way to cleanup the tracker database? |
| 16:08.09 | phako | Corsac: define clean up |
| 16:08.25 | Corsac | it seems that it still has data for stuff I removed |
| 16:08.41 | Corsac | (I'm investigating the reasons for #574) |
| 16:08.44 | phako | oh, stale resources, like artists for music you deleted? |
| 16:08.51 | Corsac | something like that |
| 16:09.01 | Corsac | though in this case it's more about .qmf and qmf.bak folders |
| 16:09.06 | Corsac | (with quite a bunch of emails) |
| 16:09.11 | Corsac | the meta.db is around 118M here |
| 16:09.30 | phako | Corsac: which bug tracker is that ;) |
| 16:09.48 | Corsac | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574 |
| 16:09.52 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 574 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, NEW, tracker-store stuck at full CPU and tracker-miner-fs stuck at 1-2% |
| 16:09.59 | janmalte | M4rtinK: Fixed my problems :) But it seems you already found some to give you a positive review ;) |
| 16:12.17 | phako | Corsac: btw, soft-reset == hard-reset on harmattan |
| 16:12.29 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:12.36 | Corsac | and what's it's supposed to do? |
| 16:12.56 | phako | kill everything in db |
| 16:13.10 | phako | soft-reset trys to replay the journal but that doesn't exist on Harmattan |
| 16:13.22 | Corsac | well, here it didn't do anything, it seems |
| 16:13.39 | Corsac | (though in any case I'd prefer not loosing the real data there, like sms and contacts) |
| 16:13.47 | Corsac | (as it seems they're kept there) |
| 16:14.03 | phako | yes |
| 16:15.06 | Corsac | so any idea? |
| 16:15.49 | phako | for that particular bug? no, also not for a generic clean-up |
| 16:15.53 | phako | what's qmf, btw? |
| 16:17.13 | phako | Corsac: other than popping by in the upstream #tracker channel in gimpnet |
| 16:17.51 | Corsac | mails are store in .qmf apparently |
| 16:17.55 | Corsac | stored* |
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| 16:18.30 | Corsac | I'm puzzled on why I still have stuff on old data there |
| 16:20.21 | M4rtinK | janmalte: thanks anyway :) I guess that once I do an update a new round of testing will be needed, so your time might still come :) |
| 16:21.26 | Corsac | phako: and I assume it's not possible either to only backup SMSes? |
| 16:22.04 | phako | Corsac: uh, no idea. you can extract them from tracker somehow but I don't know the magic sparql incantation |
| 16:22.39 | Corsac | well, the problem with magic too is that importing them back might be impossible either |
| 16:23.41 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: are some AFM usage statistics planed ? something like the Maemo download counters or this unofficial tool for Fremantle: http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=&os=fremantle |
| 16:25.04 | M4rtinK | might not be that important, just nice to have :) |
| 16:25.38 | Corsac | (and I'm puzzled by the fact *data* is stored in the tracker, I would have imagined data would be stored something safe and only indexing data would be stored in the tracker) |
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| 16:45.26 | faenil | hi everyone :) |
| 16:47.52 | kevin_b | hey guys, playing with QGLView from Qt3D |
| 16:48.10 | kevin_b | I see some borders in full screen, any experienced that? |
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| 17:04.59 | kevin_b | like that : http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3885/20120104175938.png |
| 17:05.31 | kevin_b | though it s not really noticeable with white background |
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| 17:10.31 | itsnotabigtruck | so i just noticed all the MSSF stuff (i.e. aegis) is open source |
| 17:10.51 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone tried making a special aegis that neutralizes the nonsense? |
| 17:13.09 | dm8tbr | no shit sherlock. it's called open mode kernel |
| 17:14.00 | itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: i thought with the open mode kernel half the system is dead precisely because aegis is broken |
| 17:14.05 | itsnotabigtruck | everybody was talking about that just the other day |
| 17:14.42 | itsnotabigtruck | there was a list on the meego forums that included the MMS app, nokia maps, facebook, the certificate manager, and some other things |
| 17:14.58 | dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: as aegis hooks into the high-security _hardware_ you can not roll your own. that's the whole idea. |
| 17:15.32 | itsnotabigtruck | right, but if the programs don't need to read old stuff off aegisfs, then it ought to be possible to hack up aegis-crypto to not actually use high security hardware on the backend |
| 17:15.54 | itsnotabigtruck | that ought to be sufficient for e.g. certmgr stashing certificates and things like that |
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| 17:18.07 | itsnotabigtruck | of course that won't get any secrets locked inside, out |
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| 17:38.13 | kevin_b | no one can help? |
| 17:38.26 | kevin_b | how could I disable those dirty borders from my QGV |
| 17:39.18 | itsnotabigtruck | kevin_b: no but note that the borders are invisible if you just view the image in a browser |
| 17:39.31 | itsnotabigtruck | so that might not be helping to make the problem be obvious |
| 17:39.59 | kevin_b | yes it s no really visible on white background, but it is there 1-2px on my harmattan device |
| 17:40.43 | kevin_b | tryied many things like, disabling meego style, playing with windowFlags, and widget's QQSize before full screen |
| 17:40.58 | kevin_b | I see the Space Block Qt example from Nokia dev corner |
| 17:41.24 | kevin_b | it uses a QGLView too and so far I dont see the difference in the code |
| 17:41.47 | kevin_b | though it perfectly fit screen without borders |
| 17:41.57 | kevin_b | confused me |
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| 18:47.13 | amppa | according to store qa, projects.developer.nokia.com is not acceptable as a support site |
| 18:47.22 | amppa | any suggestions for a good alternative? |
| 18:48.49 | ajalkane | i used github's web thingy, passed |
| 18:49.34 | ajalkane | kinda funny they don't accept their own hosted site |
| 18:50.01 | amppa | yeah, it is, plus i've seen project that uses it for support |
| 18:50.13 | amppa | that's how i thought about it in the first place |
| 18:50.33 | amppa | but thanks, i think i already even have an account at github, i'll check it |
| 18:56.46 | niwakame | So....belated happy new year wishes to everyone :) |
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| 19:22.02 | pinheiro | guys what is the best way to play a sound in qml? |
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| 19:22.24 | pinheiro | SoundEffect{} |
| 19:22.26 | pinheiro | ? |
| 19:22.42 | Canard|Away | is this room for consumers or developers? |
| 19:23.16 | pinheiro | i get some bugs out of it if i pay a sound repetedly |
| 19:24.17 | niwakame | Canard|Away: "Topic is 'A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9" |
| 19:24.43 | Canard|Away | ¤ Ok! -0w0- ¤ |
| 19:25.41 | Canard|Away | im planning to buy n9 but im worried about os updates |
| 19:26.39 | merlin1991 | Canard|Away: 2 things? firstly Away? you're talking, also as the topic states customers over to #N9 |
| 19:26.50 | merlin1991 | to answer your question though, there will be at least 1 more update |
| 19:27.01 | merlin1991 | (1.2) and maybe a second one |
| 19:27.19 | niwakame | Canard|Away: Join #N9 and I'll answer you there |
| 19:27.49 | pinheiro | guys ideas on mine? |
| 19:27.58 | pinheiro | :D |
| 19:28.23 | merlin1991 | pinheiro: even though you're on topic I can't help you since I don't do qml :P |
| 19:28.29 | niwakame | Never used the SoundEffect part, sorry. What problems do arise? |
| 19:28.46 | pinheiro | SoundEffect{} works but if repeted often produces some noises |
| 19:28.58 | pinheiro | not wanted noises :D |
| 19:29.16 | niwakame | You sure the effect finished before firing the next one? |
| 19:29.21 | pinheiro | since im making a piano perfet reproduction is quida important |
| 19:29.30 | niwakame | ah |
| 19:29.34 | pinheiro | im sure its not |
| 19:29.36 | pinheiro | :D |
| 19:29.41 | pinheiro | thats the idea |
| 19:29.53 | niwakame | hehe, one moment... |
| 19:29.59 | pinheiro | works 95% of the time |
| 19:30.09 | pinheiro | but wanted to make it perfect |
| 19:31.00 | niwakame | We're using pulseaudio backend, right? |
| 19:31.18 | pinheiro | import QtMultimediaKit 1.1 |
| 19:31.22 | pinheiro | all i know |
| 19:31.24 | pinheiro | :D |
| 19:31.31 | ieatlint | yes, it's all pa |
| 19:31.42 | pinheiro | i would guess so |
| 19:31.44 | niwakame | ok, I would place my bets on PA handling then |
| 19:32.03 | ieatlint | you might need to do the audio playback in c++ |
| 19:32.20 | pinheiro | :( |
| 19:32.20 | niwakame | I think the same, this is a somewhat "time critical" application |
| 19:32.22 | ieatlint | but i'm under the impression that qaudiooutput is also pretty janky |
| 19:32.42 | ieatlint | never used it on the n9, but heard others complain |
| 19:32.55 | niwakame | You'd just have to write a playback class and reference that from qml |
| 19:33.07 | pinheiro | yeap |
| 19:33.09 | ieatlint | it should be a simple c++ setup though |
| 19:33.14 | pinheiro | will ask some one to do it :D |
| 19:33.27 | niwakame | hehe the c++ part isn't that hard |
| 19:33.27 | pinheiro | since i know zero c++ :D |
| 19:33.34 | pinheiro | just a sily designer here |
| 19:33.48 | ieatlint | c++ isn't hard, but linking c++ and qml can be arcane |
| 19:33.51 | pinheiro | still wondering how i got the muititouch to work :d |
| 19:34.07 | pinheiro | :D |
| 19:34.07 | niwakame | ieatlint: really? Never had problems on that one while following the examples |
| 19:34.31 | ieatlint | niwakame: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 19:35.13 | ieatlint | pinheiro: see, now if nokia actually worked out all the bugs, they'd have had a phone platform in which designers could create actual apps :P |
| 19:35.13 | niwakame | pinheiro: see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28615 maybe? |
| 19:35.42 | pinheiro | ieatlint: yes |
| 19:35.57 | niwakame | I just wasted about 2 hours because of Javascript variable visibility the other day....gosh always such lame errors |
| 19:36.01 | pinheiro | me loves qml i think 90% of designers would love it |
| 19:36.04 | ieatlint | i'm impressed that example references a qrc |
| 19:37.43 | niwakame | qrc? |
| 19:38.47 | ieatlint | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/resources.html |
| 19:39.02 | niwakame | ah |
| 19:39.16 | ieatlint | is a way of budling arbitrary binaries in with an executable to avoid multiple files |
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| 19:39.22 | ieatlint | bundling |
| 19:39.46 | niwakame | Good to know, thanks :) |
| 19:40.07 | faenil | though not very secure, you can extract things for the exec without too much hassle |
| 19:40.14 | ieatlint | previously qtmultimediakit has had issues with qrcs, and they're also less common with qml based apps in my experience |
| 19:40.32 | niwakame | I heave to read in depth about qmake sometime...If anything isn't working in my project setup I just do build-clean - qmake - make and everything's in order again :P |
| 19:41.06 | ieatlint | learning qmake in depth requires a certain level of masochism |
| 19:41.07 | faenil | you can't make qmake right :P that's the best thing you can do, clean, qmake, make :D |
| 19:41.11 | niwakame | ieatlint: haha xD |
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| 19:41.58 | niwakame | faenil: well you could always encrypt your files, get the decryption key by SSL connection, decrypt in memory and display....aehm...NO |
| 19:42.12 | ieatlint | yeah, especially if you start branching into moc, rcc and uic |
| 19:42.34 | faenil | niwakame: ehehe |
| 19:42.36 | niwakame | out for lunch, brb :) |
| 19:42.51 | niwakame | *bbl that is |
| 19:43.06 | ieatlint | i keep hearing cmake is more sane than qmake |
| 19:43.17 | ieatlint | but have not looked into it much |
| 19:43.19 | faenil | me too, haven't understood why they have not replaced it yet |
| 19:43.23 | faenil | me neither |
| 19:44.02 | ieatlint | i certainly wouldn't mind avoiding automake and getting the build progress indicator on large projects |
| 19:45.48 | faenil | :) |
| 19:55.00 | Piru | hmm |
| 19:55.12 | Piru | I got my N9 replaced and trying to restore the backup leads to some issues |
| 19:55.53 | Piru | failed to fetch exec: ////usr/bin/osa --get 'some-ovi-package' sub-process returned sn error code |
| 19:55.56 | Piru | ideas? |
| 19:57.26 | ieatlint | was the phone that you did the backup on pr1.0 or pr1.1, and is the phone you have pr1.0 or pr1.1? |
| 19:58.21 | Piru | pr1.1 and I've flashed the new phone to pr1.1 |
| 19:58.31 | Piru | note that it was a physically different phone. maybe that b0rks stuff? |
| 19:59.06 | ieatlint | i doubt that.. the error message would be more clear i would think |
| 19:59.19 | Piru | interestingly I was able to install the devel packages etc |
| 19:59.20 | ieatlint | but not sure, not really done any restores |
| 19:59.51 | Piru | just the ovi store stuff appears to be in limbo. |
| 20:00.45 | Corsac | Piru: how long did it take to get the replacement? |
| 20:00.50 | Corsac | (and what was the reason?) |
| 20:01.13 | Piru | the phone started to drop the inet/phone |
| 20:01.22 | Piru | randomly. would lose it several times per day |
| 20:01.33 | Piru | hotswapping the SIM or rebooting would bring it back |
| 20:02.10 | Piru | it was first in repair for 6 days, got it back and it failed the next day, same issue. so again gave it for repairs, and I got a new one the next day |
| 20:02.23 | faenil | how come there's no update to 4.8 in the sdk yet? |
| 20:02.26 | Piru | (that was earlier today) |
| 20:02.37 | Piru | too bad I can't restore the backup. damn it |
| 20:05.14 | Piru | hmm wtf |
| 20:05.44 | Piru | in Store app "My stuff" there's a "Sign in" button. doesn't do anything though |
| 20:05.54 | Piru | so it looks as if I'm not logged in to ovi? |
| 20:06.36 | Piru | aaah! |
| 20:06.43 | Piru | bloody hell |
| 20:06.50 | Piru | stupid thing |
| 20:06.55 | Piru | so this is what happened |
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| 20:07.03 | Piru | (for the record) |
| 20:07.12 | Piru | skype was asking for my password |
| 20:07.30 | Piru | now I finally said "cancel" to that |
| 20:07.46 | Piru | and guess what, now pops up "Sign in to Nokia-account" |
| 20:08.10 | Piru | I bet after signing in it will work okay.. damned annoying that the skype-login blocks the restore |
| 20:11.31 | Piru | ok can download and install apps now. what a stupid oversight |
| 20:11.57 | Piru | I guess I'll report that as a bug. while not clearly one it sure is confusing |
| 20:12.23 | faenil | guys is there a way to return a couple of values in JS? |
| 20:12.28 | faenil | like return (x, y) |
| 20:13.17 | SpeedEvil | return a data structure |
| 20:13.38 | Piru | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2917175/return-multiple-values |
| 20:13.42 | Shadikka | return [x, y], return {"x":x, "y":y} |
| 20:13.42 | Piru | google is your friend |
| 20:13.52 | faenil | ok just that way |
| 20:14.17 | faenil | already gave a quick look up google ofc... :P |
| 20:14.36 | faenil | btw, thanks :) |
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| 20:14.46 | Shadikka | nps |
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| 20:21.32 | faenil | wonder if Qt c++ side will understand that the [ value1, value2 ] that I'm using to call the c++ function is a QPoint :D |
| 20:21.35 | faenil | trying :D |
| 20:27.24 | Lilltiger | QPoint(value1.toDouble(),value2.toDouble()) or so i guess, as i suppose the values sent from the script is considered to be QVariants |
| 20:28.16 | faenil | yes |
| 20:28.22 | faenil | but it should be autoconverted |
| 20:28.48 | faenil | just like you can call function(12345) and function is |
| 20:28.55 | faenil | void function(int value){ } |
| 20:29.26 | Lilltiger | well better to tell the function what type it is, so the function wont do any conversation |
| 20:30.04 | faenil | which function? I'm already telling c++ it's a QPoint (QVector2D actually) |
| 20:30.41 | faenil | but I guess it will work the way I'm using :D |
| 20:30.59 | Lilltiger | :p |
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| 20:35.43 | faenil | mmm not working :D |
| 20:35.48 | faenil | I get 0,0 xD |
| 20:39.02 | Lilltiger | debug the qvariant and check if it holds a value |
| 20:41.18 | faenil | consol.log obviously prints the right value... |
| 20:41.26 | faenil | while point.x() and y() print 0,0 |
| 20:41.46 | faenil | so it's not converting it, or not doing it correctly in any case |
| 20:41.55 | ZogG_laptop | hey guys |
| 20:42.01 | faenil | hi : |
| 20:44.02 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 20:44.39 | Lilltiger | faenil, use the qvariant built in stuff then |
| 20:44.48 | faenil | yeah :) |
| 20:46.56 | tomma | faenil, how about http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qml-point.html ? i think c++ should see that as qpoint? |
| 20:47.02 | Canard|Away | anyone here who is in #n9 also? |
| 20:48.04 | ZogG_laptop | црн, |
| 20:48.07 | faenil | tomma: never used that, thanks :) |
| 20:48.07 | ZogG_laptop | why? |
| 20:48.20 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer is in all channels of freenode |
| 20:49.00 | ZogG_laptop | does qml knows to understand qstringlist or json? |
| 20:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | no, I'm *everywhere* |
| 20:49.12 | faenil | xD |
| 20:49.13 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: =* |
| 20:56.23 | faenil | the docs say a lot about passing things from C++ to qml and conversions... |
| 20:56.26 | faenil | but not viceversa |
| 20:59.45 | faenil | does anyone know a doc/page that explains possible conversions from qml to c++ and the stuff about functions? |
| 21:00.31 | faenil | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qtbinding.html reports almost nothing about that |
| 21:10.36 | niwakame | ZogG_laptop: JSON |
| 21:10.49 | niwakame | you can use JSON.parse(data) |
| 21:11.33 | niwakame | access to objects would be result.variable.secondvariable if var result = JSON.parse(data) |
| 21:11.54 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame:thanks |
| 21:12.31 | niwakame | np, there is even a prewritten 3rd party JSON parser for requests |
| 21:12.42 | niwakame | I could dig that out for you, if you need |
| 21:13.13 | niwakame | Handles all the XmlHttpRequest thingys |
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| 21:19.44 | niwakame | ZogG_laptop: if happy with LGPL, maybe try this one: http://qjson.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:22.14 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: i can parse in C++ but the question is how to easily return array of names to qml |
| 21:22.29 | Corsac | grmbl, restoring a backup doesn't replace tracker.db |
| 21:23.25 | niwakame | string array? |
| 21:23.38 | ZogG_laptop | טקד |
| 21:23.39 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 21:24.54 | amppa | ZogG_laptop: if you emit a QStringList in C++, it will be seen as a js string array in QML |
| 21:25.02 | niwakame | hebrew? ^^ |
| 21:26.10 | niwakame | That's a positive, I've just earned the Unicode Detection Perk! |
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| 21:31.28 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: yes it is hebrew |
| 21:31.52 | niwakame | :) |
| 21:32.06 | niwakame | Does someone know about in-app advertising on N9? |
| 21:32.31 | ZogG_laptop | amppa: thanks, but if it's easy to parse json in qml i send it as string |
| 21:32.55 | niwakame | Approx. amount of data you're going to parse at once? |
| 21:33.55 | niwakame | out for a smoke, brb |
| 21:35.32 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: a lot i think, need to parse hot gallery of imgur |
| 21:38.25 | niwakame | I parsed 80 google picasa json results in no time |
| 21:39.32 | niwakame | until I noticed that Picasa doesn't support "Recent first" ordering ... the bug is open since 2008 xD |
| 21:39.45 | niwakame | So...you shouldn't have a problem with that |
| 21:44.19 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: in qt? may i see? |
| 21:46.03 | niwakame | hrhr my dev laptop is switched off, but I can ... wait *tinkering* |
| 21:47.17 | niwakame | https://github.com/peppelorum/ajaxmee |
| 21:47.41 | niwakame | just use the example like on the page |
| 21:48.00 | niwakame | prepare a ListModel |
| 21:48.16 | niwakame | in success function, do var result = JSON.parse(data) |
| 21:48.36 | niwakame | then interate over results, doing theListModel.append(entry[i]) |
| 21:48.53 | niwakame | and use that ListModel as a model for a GridView |
| 21:48.56 | niwakame | simple as that |
| 21:51.51 | jreznik | yep, that's easiest way how to parse json... or a trick - if you really have to do it C++ and you can't use qjson for some reason - just use QScriptEngine and engine.evaluate ;-) |
| 21:52.53 | niwakame | http://pastebin.com/uTTKCgh3 |
| 21:53.40 | niwakame | that should be it |
| 21:54.11 | niwakame | on the ListDelegate you can then just use the object structure beneath each entry |
| 21:54.42 | niwakame | so if it's {images[{"url": } {"url":}]} |
| 21:55.00 | niwakame | declare Image { source: url; } |
| 21:56.55 | niwakame | QML is totally easy in that regard |
| 21:57.00 | niwakame | Was fun coding |
| 22:05.00 | niwakame | I'll call it a day for now |
| 22:06.27 | niwakame | gn8 / good day / good morning @ chan |
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| 22:44.55 | thp | kevin_b: you are using the QGLWidget without a QMainWindow directly and calling showFullScreen() on it? |
| 22:50.01 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there? |
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| 22:58.11 | faenil | guys is anyone able to clear some doubts about qml bindings? :) |
| 22:58.34 | faenil | (even if it's easy enough to find out by myself, just want to talk about that :) ) |
| 22:58.51 | faenil | like what if I have |
| 22:59.01 | faenil | property variant: "" + var1 |
| 22:59.08 | faenil | property variant test1: "" + var1 |
| 22:59.20 | faenil | will test1 be set everytime var1 changes? |
| 22:59.27 | javispedro | yes |
| 22:59.40 | faenil | so it works also with things like |
| 22:59.50 | javispedro | expressions, and even function calls |
| 23:00.00 | faenil | if (status == Page.StatusActive) then 1 else 2 |
| 23:00.08 | faenil | it gets reevaluated everytime status changes? |
| 23:00.14 | javispedro | yes |
| 23:00.23 | faenil | wonderful, that's what I expected, very nice :) |
| 23:00.43 | faenil | just have never heard anyone confirming that :) |
| 23:00.53 | faenil | only had confirmations about the ternary operator |
| 23:00.56 | javispedro | I am quite sure I read it somewhere other than the source.. |
| 23:01.20 | faenil | let me know if you happen to find the source again :) |
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| 23:01.35 | javispedro | oh |
| 23:01.38 | javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/propertybinding.html |
| 23:01.40 | javispedro | right there |
| 23:01.46 | javispedro | "QML extends a standards compliant JavaScript engine, so any valid JavaScript expression can be used as a property binding. Bindings can access object properties, make function calls and even use built-in JavaScript objects such as Date and Math." |
| 23:02.43 | faenil | lol I was reading the same page, but starting from the bottom :D |
| 23:02.53 | faenil | (the link opened the page halfway and I was reading up :D) |
| 23:02.56 | faenil | thanks :) |
| 23:03.43 | JackaLX | javispedro: hey mate! The other day I installed your `fmrx'. It's cool, I like it. But were you aware that turning it off (by tapping `on') turns off bluetooth? :-) |
| 23:04.07 | faenil | yes he is |
| 23:04.12 | faenil | I remember I read something about that |
| 23:04.21 | faenil | not sure though :) |
| 23:04.29 | javispedro | yes, I am, read the last post :) |
| 23:04.37 | JackaLX | oki, cool |
| 23:04.44 | faenil | good :) |
| 23:05.20 | javispedro | it's actually a policy manager bug. on the "daemon" version the daemon is controlling bluetooth, so it works better |
| 23:06.05 | javispedro | it doesn't even turn on bluetooth, because there's no need to keep BT on while listening to the radio. |
| 23:06.27 | javispedro | (it has to be turned on to setup the radio, but that is done in a few miliseconds, so you don't necessarily see it) |
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| 23:21.03 | jru3 | Hi, I want to do an app to auto merge duplicate contacts, but I'm having a hard time accessing them, do I need to request aegis something? is there any working example of accessing contacts on harmattan? thanks |
| 23:24.29 | jru3 | I think the toke is TrackerReadAccess, if I need two tokens can I put them on the same file? <aegis><request>1..</request><request>2..</request>..</aegis> |
| 23:24.31 | jru3 | ? |
| 23:24.37 | tomma | tracerread and write |
| 23:25.19 | tomma | which should be handled automaticly |
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| 23:37.23 | jru3 | is it ok to put <credential name="TrackerReadAccess" /> <credential name="TrackerWriteAccess" />? on the manigest.aegis? |
| 23:37.52 | javispedro | see http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_examples.html for examples |
| 23:38.48 | jru3 | thanks I was reading that but I'm still a little confused |
| 23:41.14 | jru3 | and is there any example of how to initialize or use a QContactManager? I'm lookint at the phonebook sample http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qtmobility/samplephonebook.html?tab=1 but I can't access contacts yet |
| 23:47.48 | jru3 | I don't understand how to initialize a QContactManager, if I follow the example and I do qContactManager = 0, then if I do qDebug() << qContactManager->contacts().count() to test if everything is ok I get a segmentation fault |
| 23:48.05 | jru3 | so I guess qContactManager is not correctly created |
| 23:48.24 | javispedro | how do you run your application |
| 23:48.51 | javispedro | you might need to deploy it and run it from the device's terminal or launcher instead of using QtCreator's Play button |
| 23:49.08 | jru3 | I use QtCreator |
| 23:49.37 | jru3 | if I run it from terminal does it show different results? |
| 23:53.32 | javispedro | try it (how would I know? :P ) |
| 23:53.50 | jru3 | sure.. thanks |
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