| 00:00.00 | ieatlint | yeah, the lumia is just a gift, but they're hoping you'll develop for it |
| 00:00.30 | ieatlint | not a chance they'll do that, RzR |
| 00:00.39 | ieatlint | if i had to guess, microsoft is paying for these lumia 800s being given out |
| 00:00.47 | ajalkane | If I could trade it for N9, I would. But I don't think that'd be possible. |
| 00:01.12 | ajalkane | N9 would be useful for some NFC stuff. |
| 00:01.36 | ieatlint | depends on what nfc stuff |
| 00:01.45 | ieatlint | nfc on pr1.1 is crippled |
| 00:02.07 | ajalkane | how is it crippled? |
| 00:02.29 | ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/connectivity-api.html#nfc |
| 00:02.54 | ieatlint | namely, no tag type specific access... which means you can only do basic read/write ndef operations on ndef tags |
| 00:03.09 | ieatlint | (but you can't even do things like lock tags to be read-only) |
| 00:03.26 | RzR | have you looked at BB qnx platform ? |
| 00:03.30 | ieatlint | (or for that matter, detect how big a tag is before you try to write data to it) |
| 00:03.57 | ajalkane | ieatlint: okay... well, I probably would just need things like "this NFC tag here, do something if tapped near it". |
| 00:04.15 | arnet | besides, are n9 drivers available? so we can expect nemo port anyway. |
| 00:04.22 | ieatlint | ajalkane: ok, that's do-able |
| 00:04.44 | ieatlint | the only restriction you'd hit is if you wanted your app to make the tags read-only so others can't re-write them |
| 00:06.00 | ajalkane | I see. I wouldn't want such functionality for my app, but I do think such missing functionality in N9 API is quite bad |
| 00:06.36 | ieatlint | well, there's always the chance it'll come in future software updates |
| 00:07.33 | ajalkane | Hopefully. But frankly all this NFC stuff is just play and games, little stuff, verssus the big stuff of payments that N9 can't support. |
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| 00:07.43 | ieatlint | what i'm sad about, is there are nfc transit cards here (like london oyster card) that allow anyone to read them -- so you can use an nfc enabled phone to tell you the balance on the card |
| 00:07.50 | ieatlint | there's an android app for it already |
| 00:07.53 | ajalkane | I dunno what Nokia thinks, but IMO all the play-and-games stuff follow the big payment stuff, not the other way around |
| 00:07.58 | ieatlint | and i can't do it for the n9, because you need tag type specific acces |
| 00:08.05 | ieatlint | (but it'd work for symbian, heh) |
| 00:08.22 | ajalkane | ah sucks |
| 00:08.52 | ieatlint | but it'd be useful to use my phone to see my transit card balance :P |
| 00:09.02 | ieatlint | and if i had an android nfc phone, i can |
| 00:09.05 | ajalkane | Sure, that would be useful |
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| 00:09.58 | ajalkane | I dunno why Nokia only implemented some trivial stuff to N9 about NFC. Didn't they at all check what's up-and-coming real-life usage and just considered Angry Birds tapping stuff? :) |
| 00:10.33 | ieatlint | well, i'm also hoping something called SNEP appears in a future update |
| 00:10.47 | ieatlint | it'll allow exchanging things like vcard entirely by NFC |
| 00:11.08 | ieatlint | android's ice cream sandwich supports it, so it'd work cross-platform and be awesome |
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| 13:06.08 | BluesLee | do we have a dlna client for harmattan? |
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| 13:38.23 | thp | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3783 |
| 13:39.57 | thp | X-Fade: btw, do i need to remove the old version from the "source files" section when i upload a new one or can i keep it in there? |
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| 15:42.58 | PaulePanter | Hi everyone. On the N9 trying to install `kdepim-mobile` <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-mobile/2011-October/000478.html> and `libpurple0` <http://n9.indigoblack.de/> something screwed up and `halt`ing the phone and restarting it now only Nokia on a black background is shown. :( |
| 15:44.09 | PaulePanter | Is there a way to reset everything? I also forgot to make a back up of the original image. |
| 15:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | reflash is it I guess |
| 15:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 15:45.27 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 15:45.45 | PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. I will take a look. |
| 15:47.05 | pawky | ok.. lets go fishing... anyone succeeded replace the kernel to openmode without having to flash the firmware as well? the --flash-only=kernel does not seem to work |
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| 15:48.26 | pawky | PaulePanter: does it reboot several times after a while, or is it just stuck? |
| 15:49.07 | pawky | s/several times// |
| 15:49.48 | PaulePanter | pawky: It is just stuck. |
| 15:50.18 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: will not aegis give you an error on the screen, if something has buggered it? |
| 15:50.35 | PaulePanter | I issued `halt` and it powered down. Now it does not boot up at all. |
| 15:50.55 | pawky | PaulePanter: well.. it does what you asked it to... ;-) |
| 15:51.04 | PaulePanter | Hitting the power button it just vibrates once and then »Nokia« is displayed on a black screen. |
| 15:51.31 | kralor | guys do you know if aircrack-ng has been compiled for N9 ? |
| 15:51.32 | RzR | if only you could do a such think on fake n9ies |
| 15:51.32 | PaulePanter | pawky: Powering down is not allowed? |
| 15:51.35 | pawky | PaulePanter: I think DocScruitinizer is right, but I have earlier succeeded to get it up and running by rebooting it a few times... |
| 15:51.48 | pawky | PaulePanter: I was just joking a bit :-) |
| 15:51.49 | RzR | kralor: i can have a look but there is a design issue |
| 15:52.09 | PaulePanter | pawky: You got me. ;-) |
| 15:52.10 | kralor | RzR: which issue ? |
| 15:52.33 | RzR | the ability to go in promiscutious mode i think |
| 15:52.55 | pawky | PaulePanter: A reflash will definitely fix your problem, but give it another one or two reboots first. |
| 15:53.14 | pawky | RzR: aegis?... |
| 15:53.38 | RzR | this is a time question now |
| 15:54.12 | kralor | [ 5863.905548] device wlan0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 15:54.17 | kralor | I ran tcpdump and it seems it works |
| 15:54.19 | pawky | RzR: but if yuo can use tcpdump you should be able to use promiscuous mode... |
| 15:54.29 | kralor | at least tcpdump works |
| 15:54.30 | pawky | kralor: like i thought :-9 |
| 15:54.41 | pawky | :-9 |
| 15:54.42 | pawky | :-) |
| 15:55.06 | RzR | good |
| 15:55.08 | kralor | I guess the only problem will be the packet injection (and rfmon) |
| 15:55.29 | RzR | i did build iodine too |
| 15:55.38 | RzR | but did not test it in real life yet |
| 15:55.46 | RzR | if freewifi matters |
| 15:56.15 | PaulePanter | pawky, DocScrutinizer: Where do I get the “delivery”/Nokia image? Sorry the aegis link did not give something useful for reflashing. |
| 15:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, it wasn't meant to do that |
| 15:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 15:56.42 | kralor | well I'm gonna try to compile aircrack-ng then |
| 15:56.42 | RzR | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 15:56.51 | RzR | is that what you are looking for ? |
| 15:56.58 | RzR | kralor: let me try 1st |
| 15:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | RzR: my server won't help for reflashing |
| 15:57.16 | RzR | ok i mixed some urls |
| 15:57.55 | kralor | ok |
| 15:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's this fire.nokia.com fileserver where you might (or might not) find the right firmware image for your device |
| 15:58.38 | PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. |
| 15:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79792&page=59 +-20pages might help |
| 15:59.41 | PaulePanter | ping fire.nokia.com |
| 15:59.48 | PaulePanter | pawky: Powering down is not allowed?ping: unknown host fire.nokia.com |
| 15:59.52 | PaulePanter | Sorry. |
| 16:00.00 | PaulePanter | ping: unknown host fire.nokia.com |
| 16:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | alas Nokia still doesn't feel like it would be necessary to provide official instructions on how to reflash |
| 16:03.58 | pawky | Well, its not that of a hard thing to do the flash, its damn harder to find the right version to flash, if you are not using NaviFirm.. |
| 16:05.35 | pawky | I use flasher 3.12 do do the job, and theres quite a bunch of examples out there. But if anyone has a good way of finding the right firmware from nokias nds server when using linux you are very welcome to enlighten me :-) |
| 16:05.47 | PaulePanter | pawky: Just reading a blog post <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> about that. |
| 16:06.05 | PaulePanter | Just for reference, the ID is 059L698 16GB. |
| 16:07.33 | PaulePanter | I got to go now. I will try the reflash process later on. |
| 16:07.42 | PaulePanter | Thank you for all your help DocScrutinizer and pawky! |
| 16:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 16:12.33 | pawky | PaulePanter: well, I didn't do to much this time, but your welcome ;-) |
| 16:14.36 | RzR | kralor: we need to fix that one 1st https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libpcap&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian |
| 16:16.00 | kralor | RzR: fix what ? |
| 16:16.09 | kralor | ah sorry didn't see the url |
| 16:16.10 | RzR | it should build |
| 16:16.35 | kralor | wait |
| 16:16.39 | kralor | libpcap should be already built |
| 16:16.45 | kralor | tcpdump uses it I think ? |
| 16:16.56 | RzR | yes but was it published ? |
| 16:17.46 | RzR | i am building it now |
| 16:17.54 | RzR | let's cross our fingers |
| 16:17.58 | kralor | :) |
| 16:18.01 | RzR | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libpcap&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 16:18.10 | kralor | tries to compile nmap |
| 16:18.27 | RzR | i did try that one too |
| 16:18.52 | RzR | i need to break the depends on libgtk2.0-dev, |
| 16:18.53 | kralor | it works ? |
| 16:19.00 | RzR | not yet |
| 16:19.07 | kralor | that's for zenmap I guess ? |
| 16:19.21 | RzR | no that's from debian IICR |
| 16:19.43 | RzR | btw wanna join the repo ? |
| 16:19.52 | RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan |
| 16:20.37 | kralor | I should |
| 16:20.48 | pawky | still fishing for anyone who has succeeded to replace only the kernel to openmode.. no one in here who's succeded? :-) |
| 16:20.49 | kralor | tho I've never worked with .deb packages |
| 16:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | RzR: anyway your >>kralor: let me try 1st<< was actually very appreciated, I need a few proper success (or failure) reports on flashing openmode kernel, preferably with detailed cmdline quotes |
| 16:21.34 | kralor | RzR: btw how do you compile ? cross or on device ? |
| 16:22.04 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well my report says sucess --> nothing :D |
| 16:22.06 | RzR | now i am out of home doing this on obs |
| 16:22.15 | RzR | but scratchbox is a goodstart |
| 16:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sorry, doesn't parse |
| 16:23.11 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it tried loading the kernel in question which resulted in a success stdout form flasher but no action on the n9 |
| 16:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's a fail then |
| 16:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | which one did you try? did you flash or just load-to-ram? |
| 16:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | and what'S your OS version (regarding kernel modules / uname) you came from? |
| 16:24.32 | RzR | DocScrutinizer: RzR: anyway your >>kralor: let me try 1st<< was actually very appreciated, I need a few proper success (or failure) reports on flashing |
| 16:24.59 | merlin1991 | I tried both patched and unpatched and I was on 1.1 |
| 16:25.01 | RzR | docScrutinizer: i was talking about building some packages not wreaking my golden n950 |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 16:25.10 | merlin1991 | n9 is currently in repair so I can't try anything |
| 16:25.44 | RzR | kralor: pcap built ! |
| 16:26.01 | kralor | yeah here too :P (the libpcap from nmap) |
| 16:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro tested the patched one on N950 and for him it worked (at least he said it did) |
| 16:26.16 | kralor | no problems so far (still compiling nmap) |
| 16:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: did you ramload or flash? |
| 16:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: btw PR1.1 might be a bit unspecific regarding vermagic of kernel modules |
| 16:30.48 | kralor | RzR: |
| 16:30.48 | kralor | RM696-40-4:~/packages/nmap-5.61TEST2# nmap -v |
| 16:30.48 | kralor | Starting Nmap 5.61TEST2 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2011-12-26 17:30 CET |
| 16:31.36 | merlin1991 | ramload |
| 16:32.02 | kralor | RzR: error when trying to use SYN scan mode (dnet: Failed to open device wlan0) |
| 16:32.10 | kralor | otherwise TCP mode (-sT) works |
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| 16:36.14 | kralor | I have to go, laters |
| 16:38.35 | RzR | kralor: i am building it now |
| 16:38.57 | RzR | aircrack-ng |
| 16:44.06 | RzR | it built ! |
| 16:49.41 | RzR | kralor: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80962 |
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| 17:57.39 | techwa | is there anyway to delete all messages from conversations? |
| 17:58.51 | merlin1991 | techwa: factory reset? :D |
| 17:59.34 | techwa | i think that as long as emmc is not flashed, all setting and user data like messages persist? |
| 17:59.58 | techwa | there's gotta be a better way to empty the database |
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| 18:22.38 | tomma | techwa, reset tracker? |
| 18:23.01 | tomma | it will clear messages, contacts etc |
| 18:24.08 | techwa | yeah i was thinking about resseting tracker. How do u do it? |
| 18:24.25 | techwa | Clearing messages was actually easy |
| 18:24.51 | techwa | just long press the messaging window, and click on 'clear all messages' |
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| 18:52.54 | Tronic | about a dozen black dead pixels just appeared on my n950 :( |
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| 18:54.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 18:54.09 | SpeedEvil | Open the screen |
| 18:54.12 | pawky | ok, tried to flash kernel only to open mode.. it might have worked, if I only knew how to check whats running now... |
| 18:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Are they about where the hinges fix to the screen-top? |
| 18:54.31 | Tronic | any idea on who to contact for possible replacement? |
| 18:55.05 | pawky | YES!... it bloody works! :-D |
| 18:55.21 | Tronic | might try fixing it myself too, yes. |
| 18:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt |
| 18:55.58 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: dude... I think i just got the open mode in, kernel only :-D doni accli -I tells me open. Then its open right? |
| 18:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: would you please check if following this scheme results in fail or success for you? |
| 18:56.12 | pawky | s/doni/doing |
| 18:56.15 | pawky | s/doni/doing/ |
| 18:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: sure |
| 18:56.29 | Tronic | the dead pixels are near screen center in a semi random pattern |
| 18:56.29 | SpeedEvil | 2011-12-16.051838+0000GMT.txt:(07:01:34 AM) hiemanshu: Teo`: email DDP |
| 18:56.29 | SpeedEvil | 2011-12-16.051838+0000GMT.txt:(07:04:07 AM) Teo`: hiemanshu: DDP.program@nokia.com? |
| 18:56.36 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: |
| 18:56.41 | Tronic | multiple rows and columns |
| 18:56.46 | si9 | Hi, what do I need to test open mode? |
| 18:56.47 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: :/ |
| 18:56.58 | Teo` | what's up? |
| 18:57.21 | Teo` | Tronic: let me guess, a line of dead pixels about halfway through the display? |
| 18:57.27 | SpeedEvil | Teo`: nothing - just copy-pasting something that happend to hav eyour nick, as Tronic's n950 is borked |
| 18:57.39 | Teo` | right |
| 18:57.44 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: well I was stuck after halley:/ # ~jr/bin/flasher_950_32 -l -b -k ~jr/Documents/N900/N950/openmodekernel-patched/zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 |
| 18:57.53 | merlin1991 | n9 didn't boot |
| 18:58.06 | merlin1991 | ah wait sry |
| 18:58.07 | Teo` | FYI DDP did reply but they still haven't told me the address where should I send the faulty N950 |
| 18:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | it "boots" to charging ACT_DEAD mode |
| 18:58.20 | Teo` | the holidays got in the way I guess |
| 18:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: then you need to switch it on! ;-D |
| 18:58.45 | merlin1991 | anyway will see what I can do when I get it back from care |
| 18:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | which in fact is just a change of initstate |
| 18:59.51 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: though isn't it known to malf after openmode kernel install if I boot back to normal kernel? |
| 19:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | not if you don't touch any of the protected files |
| 19:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. don't install anything |
| 19:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | don't mess with anything in etc/ |
| 19:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | etc etc pp |
| 19:01.10 | merlin1991 | basically do nothing :P |
| 19:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep ;-P |
| 19:01.22 | merlin1991 | is aegis source avaiable? |
| 19:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | most of it anyway |
| 19:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | they told me |
| 19:01.55 | merlin1991 | so technically we could wire a userspace tool that sets aegis to current state = valid state in all it's persistant storages ? |
| 19:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe they managed to permanently lock the aegisfs for openmode, when it got 'sealed' in securemode. That'S how a security framework is supposed to work |
| 19:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | we should be able to use aegisfs when freshly formated under openmode though, AIUI |
| 19:04.49 | pawky | just for the backlog, this is how I flashed the unit, firmware only flasher -a DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.339.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -k zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 |
| 19:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: many thanks, I'll add this to my howto immediately |
| 19:05.49 | pawky | Now how does one get rid of the anoying, having to write the passwords for all your e-mail accounts at every reboot? |
| 19:06.03 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: thought you would be a bit interested... ;-) |
| 19:06.40 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: and the bin file is downloaded through navifirm... as you might have guessed. |
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| 19:08.25 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: and for reference my unit is a: 059L7N6 64GB |
| 19:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you also can get it via wget or sth, if you knew the actual URL on Nokia's server |
| 19:09.03 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: right, but I didnt... :-( |
| 19:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | ethereal might help |
| 19:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:09.42 | pawky | yeah... or tcpdump... but then its to late don't you think? ;-) |
| 19:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | as AIUI the navifirm tool also gets those firmware images from Nokia server |
| 19:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | sure, for you it's too late then ;-) |
| 19:10.21 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: yeah... |
| 19:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 19:11.07 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: couldn't someone just rip all the links and put them on a site? Cannot see any uber unlegal part in it.. except for someone gettinga bit pissed of... |
| 19:11.50 | SpeedEvil | It's warez, exactly as if it's images of winodws. |
| 19:11.52 | pawky | still fishing for the solution how to not having to put in the e-mail passwords on every boot from now on, any one having the solution? I heard someone speaking about..yada,yada eMMC or something?... |
| 19:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | somebody did, but that site somehow metamorphed into a mp3 download site then |
| 19:12.31 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: not to surpriced... |
| 19:13.13 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: whats the URL for your howto? |
| 19:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: that's exactly the problem related to aegisfs I talked about with merlin1991 some 10 lines above |
| 19:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | the URL is also above |
| 19:13.31 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok... back logging... |
| 19:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/succeeding-session-log.txt |
| 19:14.52 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: a bit odd, jonni told me that was a bug to be fixed in 1.2 .... if it's aegis, i cannot really see it as a bug... :-( |
| 19:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know details or good info (yet) |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | check mount |
| 19:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | try to find out if you can access content of aegisfs |
| 19:18.18 | frals | check syslog about the email passwords asking, probably accounts.db is corrupted by aegisfs |
| 19:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | see if aegisfs are r/o mounted |
| 19:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | see if you can reformat, or delete, or reinstall, or whatever those databases in aegisfs |
| 19:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | and IIRC we got PR1.1 right now |
| 19:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | so the bug probably is what javispedro found: aegisfs mounted r/o in openmode, while according to sane common sense it should be empty but writable, or have crippled unreadable content (due to encryption). Setting it READ-only doesn't make any sense |
| 19:26.32 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: will check.. :-) |
| 19:29.44 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: mounted in /home/user as rw ... |
| 19:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ id |
| 19:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),44(video),670(pulse-access),29999(users) |
| 19:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ ls -la /home/user/.positioningd/* |
| 19:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | ls: can't open '/home/user/.positioningd/private': Permission denied |
| 19:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | total 0 |
| 19:35.54 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: was that for me? :-) |
| 19:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, if it gives you ideas... |
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| 19:36.16 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: I also got permission denied on that one... |
| 19:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'll try to reboot to securemode now, to compare |
| 19:37.00 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: but I got permission denied as root... |
| 19:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | even root won't do decryption for you, of files encrypted and sealed under secure mode. That's what I'd expect from a security framework (see filesystem type aegisfs) |
| 19:40.03 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: i can cd to private as user... |
| 19:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | ls: can't open '.': Permission denied |
| 19:41.47 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok... i moved that .positioningd to somewhere else and created a new .positioningd/private |
| 19:41.58 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: now what would happen if I reboot? |
| 19:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | this is in securemode though (if I haven't accidentally flashed the openmode kernel) |
| 19:42.53 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: accidentaly?... i have willingly put in the openmode kernel :-) |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: I don't know. Worst thing to happen probably is your positioning via GPS etc borks and blows chunks |
| 19:43.20 | pawky | sounds scary.... |
| 19:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~/.positioningd/private $ accli -I |
| 19:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | Current mode: normal |
| 19:43.59 | pawky | current mode: open :-) |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder how I'm supposed to access this friggin data in private anyway |
| 19:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | Or at least find out who and how would be able to access it |
| 19:45.35 | pawky | cool.. I get location info in my new private folder :-) |
| 19:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | so I fsckd mine by simply changing to openmode? |
| 19:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | cool sh*t |
| 19:46.11 | pawky | wait.... |
| 19:47.18 | pawky | i got the file location_settings into ~/.positioningd/private a config file.. |
| 19:48.48 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: but wouldn't a simple thing be to make sure that fuser version of aegisfs simply doesnt mount and then create the dirs oneself? |
| 19:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ls -la /home/user/.positioningd/* |
| 19:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | total 4 |
| 19:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | drwxrwxrwx 1 aegisfs crypto 4096 Dec 3 22:43 . |
| 19:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | drwxrwxrwx 3 aegisfs crypto 4096 Jul 9 19:12 .. |
| 19:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 2 aegisfs crypto 20 Nov 23 15:36 .pid -> /var/run/aegisfs.595 |
| 19:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | this on a N950 that hasn't seen openmode kernel yet |
| 19:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | under root ;-D |
| 19:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | no "private" |
| 19:51.42 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: shouldnt you have one? |
| 19:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | I could figure "private" is a non-readable dir that aegisfs hides all the real stuff in when it got not correctly unlocked (I.E. when mounting aegisfs in openmode) |
| 19:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 19:52.23 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: yes, but why not make aegisfs not mount, and create the dirs manually? |
| 19:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | sure, you're free to do that, I guess |
| 19:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | just umount friggin aegisfs, create the dirs as 'normal' dirs (if they don't already exist), test if storing passwords etc works - here positioning log data - and if it works, just find where in initscripts those friggin aegisfs get mounted and comment out those lines |
| 19:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd argue it's a bug those aegisfs get mounted at all, in openmode |
| 19:56.25 | pawky | Do you know where it gets mounted? Can't see it in fstab.. |
| 19:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | maemo had the annoying habit to have hardcoded mount cmds in initscripts |
| 19:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | while fstab got generetad new on every boot |
| 19:57.32 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok.. checking init scripts.. |
| 19:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | haha for Nokia's claim of "everything just works as usual in openmode" |
| 19:59.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: lack of private means the app didn't write yet |
| 19:59.11 | javispedro | on closed mode, private still appears |
| 19:59.16 | javispedro | I was just checking this, heh. |
| 19:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 19:59.23 | javispedro | (wrote this post : http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=37457&postcount=225 ) |
| 19:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | and HI javispedro |
| 19:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 19:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | finally some expert around |
| 19:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 20:00.52 | javispedro | I am going to spend a few days with the n950 in closed mode, I want to work a bit on fm and sdl |
| 20:01.04 | javispedro | and a malf during holidays... |
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| 20:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm happy to see you around here. Been a long time since... |
| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | and I guess I just have no f'ing clue about this aegis stuff, compared to you |
| 20:05.08 | javispedro | no one has, we booted the last one who did =) |
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| 20:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I finally "tasted my own dog food" and tested openmode_patched kernel |
| 20:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:05.37 | pawky | how did it go? |
| 20:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | no use in somebody who maybe has a clue, but only uses this to tell others that they don't have any - real help was scarce from him |
| 20:06.24 | pawky | javispedro: wasn't that one of the inventors of that piece of sh... |
| 20:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 20:07.42 | pawky | funny how nobody screams anymore that flashing the unit is illegal... such a calm channel these days ;-) |
| 20:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: do you think my approach to not even mount aegisfs in openmode is feasible? |
| 20:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | to fix issues with apps that used to use aegifs protected storage |
| 20:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: indeed |
| 20:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | though I only see the indirect effects, thanks /ignore |
| 20:09.03 | pawky | I am all ears, because I am up to making aegisfs not mount anything at all in /home/user |
| 20:09.18 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: depends on the app |
| 20:09.28 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: timed is the only one I've seen so far, and it would work |
| 20:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: are there apps that *check* if storage is secure? |
| 20:09.39 | javispedro | because it just puts its data on the aegisfs but does not do any additional chec |
| 20:09.40 | javispedro | k |
| 20:09.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is what I don't know. |
| 20:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | or use different functions to access it? |
| 20:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that would be too insane, even for aegis |
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| 20:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: mount|grep aegisfs |
| 20:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | neuter all those, check how it feels :-D |
| 20:12.12 | pawky | wow... i could do cat /home/user/.accounts/accounts.db wasnt that one supposed to be encrypted? |
| 20:12.28 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: thats wha I am working on... :-) |
| 20:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | yep I think so |
| 20:13.02 | javispedro | the accounts db has two parts |
| 20:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | cat: can't open '/home/user/.accounts/accounts.db': Permission denied -- on 950 |
| 20:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | root |
| 20:13.17 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: try as user |
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| 20:13.52 | pawky | because what I understand it should neither work as root nor user, when you run openmode right? |
| 20:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | user works |
| 20:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | on 950 |
| 20:14.25 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: openmode? |
| 20:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | right |
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| 20:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | no openmode available here atm |
| 20:15.08 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: then I am a bit lost here. I thought the password problem, amongst others, was due to one not being able to reach encrypted stuff in open mode.. |
| 20:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check on "fsckdup(?)' N9 securemode |
| 20:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: yep, same here - also nfc what's wrong |
| 20:15.49 | javispedro | as I was saying, the accounts db has two parts |
| 20:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | you said...? |
| 20:15.55 | javispedro | you should not see any passwords |
| 20:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | ooooh |
| 20:16.01 | javispedro | <javispedro> the accounts db has two parts =) |
| 20:16.09 | pawky | javispedro: listening... |
| 20:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | ooohz |
| 20:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | OOOOOOOOOH! |
| 20:16.43 | javispedro | it is the reason it remembers the accounts after boot, but does not remember the passwords |
| 20:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHA |
| 20:17.15 | pawky | javispedro: because? |
| 20:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | now we know why we never get a second chance to create a working nokia account |
| 20:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: where's the "hidden" part? |
| 20:17.57 | pawky | but one should be able to create a new such file when re-entering the accounts, right? |
| 20:18.39 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think that either signonfs-mnt (not on my n950 at least...) or ~/.signon/private |
| 20:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, I assume you should be able to copy all that shite to MyDocs under securemode, then under openmode copy back to plain ext3 directories in place of aegisfs? |
| 20:19.57 | pawky | ok... then lets re create that directory without aegisfs and recreate the accounts then? |
| 20:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, try that |
| 20:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | a *sane* app will recreate that db when it's missing |
| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | alas I've not seen any sane genuine Nokia maemo/HARM app yet |
| 20:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 20:22.22 | javispedro | accounts/signon is (partly) FOSS too, so if there's an issue, it should be fixable too. |
| 20:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: who's creating those friggin .db ? |
| 20:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | do they ship as image with fiasco? |
| 20:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmmm |
| 20:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | HMMMMMMMMMM, >>reset to factory settings<< :-D |
| 20:24.30 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: what, Is that the solution??? |
| 20:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn'T try to mount aegisfs, but for sure should create empty database files |
| 20:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | also in openmode |
| 20:25.29 | javispedro | signond seems to do |
| 20:25.47 | javispedro | see signon-8.38/src/signond/credentialsdb.cpp:293 |
| 20:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | though I heard a lot of users seen MALF after >>reset to factory<< |
| 20:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 20:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you're an animal :-D |
| 20:26.52 | javispedro | no, "grep sqlite -r *" is =) |
| 20:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 20:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, fellas, I got some real real-life appointments, like e.g shower, dinner (first real meal since 3 days) |
| 20:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 20:28.49 | pawky | :-) |
| 20:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | keep me updated nevertheless |
| 20:29.02 | javispedro | cya |
| 20:29.29 | javispedro | leaves, dinner time |
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| 20:35.58 | ieatlint | happy kwanza all |
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| 20:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | yo ieatlint |
| 20:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: how about openmode? interested? |
| 20:51.24 | ieatlint | perhaps |
| 20:51.52 | ieatlint | i'm curious the risk of bricking and ability to revert to original state though |
| 21:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: get the right flasher and image, that's mandatory prior to meddling with such elementary things (well, on HARM everything is elementary) |
| 21:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | ramloading the openmode kenel shouldn't be too risky though |
| 21:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you don't try to mess with initscripts or etc/* in general, or try to install anyrhing (which indirectly also is messing with etc/*) |
| 21:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | adverse effects on your "secure data" like accounts etc is unclear though, yet |
| 21:24.36 | ieatlint | but the point is i can always take the current nokia-released image and flash it back on? |
| 21:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | *might* nuke it, when e.g trying to create a new or recreate an old account |
| 21:25.22 | ieatlint | i don't care about ruining data on the phone, just making sure i can get back to a clean starting place |
| 21:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you can always flash stock image, if you ever were able to do that |
| 21:25.46 | ieatlint | ok |
| 21:25.50 | ieatlint | i'll be interested |
| 21:25.57 | ieatlint | have my second n9 here i can screw with :) |
| 21:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | btw I only can *guess* that there's no possible scenario that would permanently brick your device. So if you brick it anyway, best thing I can offer is we swap devices :-D |
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| 21:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | here you go: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 21:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | read backlog of this chan though, of the last ~4h |
| 21:28.56 | ieatlint | haha |
| 21:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | there are obviously issues with accounts etc |
| 21:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if you want to tackle them |
| 21:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | watch pawky |
| 21:30.05 | ieatlint | going to have to wait until later tonight to really undertake this |
| 21:30.50 | ieatlint | i'm home for xmas and new year for the first time in a month from a business trip, and people are apparently insisting i not spend the few daylight hours left on a laptop |
| 21:31.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | no daylight here |
| 21:31.33 | ieatlint | yeah, they clearly don't understand me |
| 21:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 21:31.46 | ieatlint | only 1:30pm here |
| 21:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | westcoast? |
| 21:32.22 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 21:32.40 | ieatlint | will be around, tschuess |
| 21:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | so enjoy your day with family ;-) |
| 21:34.59 | jonni | refering to your earlier discussion, in open mode, aegisfs is rw, but open mode is using different key to sign the encrypt/decrypt, and in secure mode that key is not supported which causes the malf. |
| 21:36.11 | jonni | so if you happed to install any application in open mode, it signs the refhaslist in openmode key, so it will have openmode signature, -> malf if you ever boot back to secure mode, but should work as long as you stay in open mode. |
| 21:36.35 | jonni | and those signing keys are not accessible from userspace. |
| 21:37.51 | jonni | and you cannot do userspace tool to fake your mode. |
| 21:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 21:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: just for the >those signing keys are not accessible from userspace< part. What does this mean in detail? |
| 21:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | I can access aegisfs content in securemode and copy it to random location? |
| 21:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | I can copy same content back to aegisfs (or plain directory) from that random location, in openmode? |
| 21:45.11 | jonni | yes you can copy fs content thats not bĺocked |
| 21:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | are there apps that won't work when there's no aegisfs on their "secure storage" dirs they use? |
| 21:46.25 | jonni | I mean that userspace has the encrypt / decrypt data functions where you pass the data, that data is signed in PA side which userspace cannot access |
| 21:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | blocked means? the right key aka same mode as on writing? or is there another way to "block" things? |
| 21:48.10 | jonni | I mean that reading the fs content is allowed by user |
| 21:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm yeah, there *are* methods to just verify a "password" but no way to copy it |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | I guess this doesn't apply to aegisfs content though |
| 21:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's more like a TPM thing |
| 21:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | where TPM hw holds a "secret" key and you only could ask for verification that your key is right |
| 21:49.57 | SpeedEvil | Hang on - where is the openmode key from? |
| 21:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | but you couldn't copy out the "secret" (aka hidden) cert |
| 21:50.08 | SpeedEvil | Is there a seperate openmode key in the FW? |
| 21:50.10 | jonni | userspace doesnt hold any key, the key is only in tpm side |
| 21:50.21 | jonni | so you cannot give any key to the function |
| 21:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you would ask TPM to verify e.g. a hash-signature over a file |
| 21:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I lost my thread |
| 21:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually SpeedEvil 's question been quite interesting - is there a openmode key in HW? |
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| 21:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | or in sw?? |
| 21:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously we can't use the secure mode key in openmode, to "unlock" aegisfs for reading or store securemode compatible stuff to it |
| 21:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | but what key is aegisfs using then, in openmode? |
| 21:57.06 | PaulePanter | Does anyone know if NaviFirm+ is a Mono application and can be run from GNU/Linux? |
| 21:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | I heard in some blog that somebody tried in vain to run it under wine |
| 21:57.57 | PaulePanter | Or written differently, was anyone able to run NaviFirm+ under GNU/Linux? |
| 21:57.59 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: well it doesnt matter, even if secure mode key vs openmode key would be "secure" vs "open" -strings :) |
| 21:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure, just out of interest |
| 21:58.17 | PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> |
| 21:58.37 | PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: At least that is written in there too. |
| 21:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | that's where I read it, PaulePanter |
| 21:59.15 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: userspace and kernel dont have access to read it anyways :) |
| 21:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 21:59.37 | jonni | and dont have access to set them either. |
| 22:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | so the same mechanisn is delivering different keys in the same way, for open and secure mode |
| 22:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | just to get my image of the world sorted |
| 22:01.31 | jonni | tpm is checking the the mode in trusted side, and kernel/userspace cannot affect on that, its set in nolo level or so on what mode device has booted up in. |
| 22:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I know that |
| 22:03.04 | jonni | only way to get around it would be finding the signing key for rd certificate as that can be written into flash from userspace, but signature of that cert if checked inside tpm, and that is device specific signature. |
| 22:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just interested if there is special code dealing with openmode somewhere in kernel, or for kernel the whole thing is completely transparent |
| 22:03.29 | jonni | its transparent for the kernel |
| 22:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 22:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: btw I heard Nokia will use NovaThor for next gen winPhones :-D That's my daily business to deliver this chipset to you |
| 22:06.18 | PaulePanter | Just a paranoid question. On the SIM slider there is 059L698, but on NaviFirm+ there is just 059L6B8. B instead of 9. |
| 22:06.21 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: no idea, I havent even seen win phone yet :) |
| 22:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 22:06.36 | PaulePanter | I guess this is still different and not compatible. |
| 22:06.46 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: I should be getting lumia in early next year |
| 22:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | holds a hooker800 under jonni 's nose |
| 22:08.02 | PaulePanter | 059L6*B*8 is Country Variant Arab Emirates so I guess it is not the one I am looking for. :/ |
| 22:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | terribly useless device ;-D Not even mass storage, so without a windoze box runing this zune crap you can put it in your bottom drawer |
| 22:08.19 | PaulePanter | I guess I have to look at older releases. |
| 22:09.05 | PaulePanter | I found the correct ID in the list for release 20.2011.40.4. |
| 22:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | which happens to be the most recent official release |
| 22:09.34 | PaulePanter | So to sum it up, it was not a typo and 059L698 and 059L6B8 are different. |
| 22:09.41 | PaulePanter | DocScrutinizer: It also shows 22.2011.44.2 |
| 22:09.54 | PaulePanter | But just not my model. |
| 22:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, semi-'leaked' by 'accident' |
| 22:10.19 | merlin1991 | according to http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/12/21/font-change-part-2-playing-with-the-line-height not semi leaked |
| 22:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | only for china and arab locales afaik |
| 22:10.29 | merlin1991 | middle east and africa |
| 22:10.43 | jonni | thats not leaked, |
| 22:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | semi |
| 22:11.05 | jonni | 20.2011 == PR1.1, 22.2011 == PR1.1.1, both are official |
| 22:11.11 | jonni | PR1.1.1 is only in asian market |
| 22:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | probably Nokia was short of a bugfix version for those nations |
| 22:12.11 | PaulePanter | I see. Thanks for the clarification. |
| 22:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | sighs in relief that nobody starts bitching in this chan when we talk about that :-D |
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| 22:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: so what's the "official" tale about changing locale? Is it supposed to work to flash e.g. Norway firmware to an australian device? |
| 22:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | (assuming we're not trying to "downgrade" from pr1.1.1 to pr1.1, which probably is "not allowed") |
| 22:16.29 | jonni | downgrade is blocked if your device doesnt have rd cert, only rd cert devices can be downgraded |
| 22:16.49 | frals | changing locale is fine as long as you dont try a downgrade |
| 22:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I said we won'T discuss this special case |
| 22:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | many thanks :-) |
| 22:17.19 | jonni | but otherwise hardware is the same so in theory you can flash any locale to device, but warranty might be lost :) |
| 22:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | any flashing vids waranty |
| 22:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | voids |
| 22:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | in theory |
| 22:18.05 | frals | otoh unless its done during a 1.0->1.1 or 1.1->1.2 to upgrade its unlikely to work in both directions |
| 22:18.12 | jonni | and on some regions there are differences in cmt side, due to legislation, so you might screw your cellular, if you flash full image |
| 22:18.23 | frals | since one of the variants probably have a newer timestamp on cmt |
| 22:18.33 | frals | but thats just my speculating |
| 22:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | bottomline: it's risky either way |
| 22:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: is there info available on the general nature of those differences in GSM/3G specs? |
| 22:21.17 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: not that I know of |
| 22:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | how a modem has to behave different in country A vs country B, when both use same bands |
| 22:21.58 | DocScrutinizer | seems to me N900 US cmt was different |
| 22:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | to global |
| 22:22.21 | jonni | its like wifi, that us US it can only use limited numbers of channels |
| 22:22.28 | jonni | us=in |
| 22:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 22:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | dang, so they still not got that sorted, even for globally specified bands? |
| 22:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart USA & FCC |
| 22:23.39 | infobot | whips out a sword and chops USA & FCC in half |
| 22:24.07 | kimju | and in practice, no-one really notices nor cares if you bring phone from some other country for your personal use. |
| 22:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | sure, as the phone will only TX on the freq the BTS tells it to use |
| 22:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | my new job has real potential to get funny |
| 22:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | esp when they continue to do same such weird things on LTE |
| 22:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | makes a mental note to find out if NovaThor has same nice zeroclock and semi-automatic finegrained power savings technology as OMAP SmartReflex |
| 22:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | next year :-D |
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| 22:51.12 | PaulePanter | I would have used Empathy since the Telepathy packages seem to be available. |
| 22:51.13 | gabriel9 | there is some guidelines for MSN on talk.maemo.org |
| 22:51.27 | PaulePanter | But Empathy is not in the repositories. |
| 22:54.11 | PaulePanter | gabriel9: Thanks. I found <http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80687&highlight=msn>. |
| 22:54.27 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 22:55.50 | PaulePanter | gabriel9: But trying that some hours ago libpurple had size 0 KB – when clicking on the deb file to install it – it did not progress and rebooting the phone it does not work anymore and I am in the process of reflashing it. :( |
| 22:56.26 | gabriel9 | ask some on the forum |
| 22:56.28 | PaulePanter | At least the installation dialog showed 0 KB. |
| 22:56.41 | gabriel9 | they are willing to help |
| 22:56.54 | gabriel9 | i really don't know anything about MSN suport |
| 22:57.01 | gabriel9 | i'm not using it |
| 22:57.07 | PaulePanter | gabriel9: After having the N9 reflashed I might be doing that. |
| 22:57.12 | PaulePanter | gabriel9: Thanks. |
| 22:57.16 | gabriel9 | np |
| 23:03.32 | gabriel9 | how to remove rounded corners from textarea? |
| 23:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | PaulePanter: libpurple probably had size 0 because all was already installed? |
| 23:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | so 0k *additional* size required |
| 23:14.25 | jonni | PaulePanter: or use irssi & bitlebee combination for msn |
| 23:14.40 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer, pawky, PaulePanter: Linux users can download firmware from http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/?productsid=4823499691&display=sel |
| 23:17.39 | pawky | rwhitby: looks good, links are going to Nokia so no fuzz there :-) |
| 23:17.47 | rwhitby | yes |
| 23:17.56 | rwhitby | I would not trust anything else |
| 23:18.06 | pawky | rwhitby: exactly |
| 23:18.52 | rwhitby | got an N9 from rkerris, who used to run webOS dev relations, and now runs nokia dev relations |
| 23:19.55 | pawky | This is odd, I took away that stuff in the aegisfs.conf file and still it seems to mount the aegisfs stuff... WTF???? |
| 23:21.05 | pawky | PaulePanter: have you looked at cutIM ?... |
| 23:22.29 | pawky | rwhitby: the question is, how long these links will be maintained?... |
| 23:30.11 | PaulePanter | Reflashing following <http://blog.makesyouhappy.org/?p=202> worked like a charm! |
| 23:31.03 | PaulePanter | I used `DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.299.5_PR_LEGACY_299_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin` and now everything I had installed before (KTouch and libpurple) is gone which is expected. |
| 23:32.00 | PaulePanter | My files remained. So I can sleep well now and tomorrow I will take another step at trying to install additional packages! |
| 23:32.04 | PaulePanter | Thanks and good night! |
| 23:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | rwhitby: thanks :-D |
| 23:36.46 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: as far as I can interpret Nokias warning sine actually flashing your unit back to its original firmware will maintain warranty, and I believe as Nokia has no specific way to prove wether you did it directly or if you went out on a strawl meanwhile, a unit with its original firmware is a unit with warranty. :-) |
| 23:37.24 | pawky | d/sine/sign/ |
| 23:37.29 | pawky | f! |
| 23:37.41 | pawky | (well you all get the drift anyway..) |
| 23:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | not entirely clear, rumour has it that there's a bit toggled somewhere in flash when you ever run sth with that waranty warning popping up |
| 23:39.08 | pawky | yes, but it clearly states that if you want to keep your warranty you have to "imediately" reflash it with the stock firmware :-) |
| 23:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | but even if that's true, I bet Nokia won't check, unless the defect is obviously related to e.g. overclocking or burning display with wrong control parameters or sth |
| 23:39.21 | pawky | true.. |
| 23:42.05 | PaulePanter | pawky: Regarding cutIM do you have a link? |
| 23:42.26 | PaulePanter | Googling »cutim instant messenger« did not find anything useful. |
| 23:42.43 | pawky | PaulePanter: found it on the Market... again, it looked good and I presume it might do what you want.. but hold I can check.. |
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| 23:43.53 | pawky | nope.. no MSN.. :-( |
| 23:44.05 | PaulePanter | pawky: I see. Thank you for your help! |
| 23:44.26 | PaulePanter | I will do more trials/tests tomorrow. |
| 23:44.28 | PaulePanter | Good night! |
| 23:54.16 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: how has things gone this evening, any news regarding removing aegisfs? |
