| 00:00.01 | psycho_oreos | ahaha this is bloody amusing.. if GPIO 71 (keyboard slide) is not triggered, Fn + Sym/Ctrl would fail to bring up extra sets of virtual keyboard characters. |
| 00:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | after all that mail arrived here some 90min ago, and I hope I'm not the one who gets Nokia's mail with 2 days delay |
| 00:00.52 | Venemo | psycho_oreos, :) |
| 00:02.23 | psycho_oreos | I actually thought those two were completely unrelated issues. I guess I'm thankful that they are. |
| 00:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, what's unrelated? |
| 00:03.53 | psycho_oreos | oh sh*t, wrong channel lol.. should've gone into #maemo no #harmattan lmfao |
| 00:05.12 | psycho_oreos | you know how in x-term for example where you go Fn + Sym/Ctrl on N900, it brings up extra characters such as ` for example. If the GPIO 71 switch is not working (lack of magnet as prescribed) N900 sees slider is closed and it will not trigger extra keyboard symbols no matter what you do |
| 00:07.12 | psycho_oreos | I thought the extra keyboard symbols thingy was not related to the GPIO 71 not detecting the slider being open.. it automatically assumes that its closed |
| 00:07.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: name, address, etc is public info |
| 00:09.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | the link to my mail addt hardly is, nor is my first name any public in the sense you imply |
| 00:10.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | and the addr Nokia got from me differs from what you might get for 'public' addr |
| 00:11.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | which makes it easy for me to sue Nokia when somebody is going to abuse it |
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| 08:45.58 | infobot | ~pong |
| 08:46.11 | Venemo_N950 | win! |
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| 08:55.24 | Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi :) |
| 08:55.45 | djszapi | huomenta :) |
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| 10:26.58 | djszapi | zz_gri: interesting, most of the account plugins have signon plugin implemented as well. They are not even few lines either. |
| 10:36.58 | djszapi | yipdw: "they don't include any support for account storage or whatnot" -> you sure ? |
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| 11:22.40 | Venemo | ~seen joppu |
| 11:22.43 | infobot | joppu <joppu@217.30.184.161> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 23d 26m 18s ago, saying: 'Venemo: on the wiki page, there's an email address to mail the entry to'. |
| 11:24.45 | djszapi | Venemo: so do you put irc-chatter to ovi store ? |
| 11:24.52 | Venemo | djszapi, I will, certainly |
| 11:25.08 | Venemo | djszapi, but the new version still requires some coding and a lot of testing |
| 11:27.28 | djszapi | Venemo: you can probably integrate an IRC account plugin, too as soon as I am ready with one. :) |
| 11:28.20 | djszapi | the communication, that is. accounts-qt stuff. |
| 11:28.48 | Venemo | djszapi, are you working on such a thing? |
| 11:29.40 | Venemo | djszapi, I myself am interested in making an account plugin for this, but last time I checked (few months ago), this area was undocumented. |
| 11:30.03 | djszapi | yes, it is pretty much undocumented. |
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| 11:30.12 | MohammadAG | Oh yeah |
| 11:30.16 | djszapi | and yes, OCS plugin, and IRC plugins I have been trying to do. |
| 11:30.39 | MohammadAG | w00t asked us to remind him about some example code two months ago |
| 11:30.41 | djszapi | maybe google++ later :) |
| 11:31.05 | djszapi | Venemo: I am lucky in that sense, I have the source code of these things and all the plugins (signon involved). |
| 11:31.22 | MohammadAG | Thats cheating |
| 11:31.28 | MohammadAG | Weaj |
| 11:31.34 | Venemo | djszapi, well, if you manage to make an IRC account plugin, I'm interested in integrating it with my app. |
| 11:31.34 | MohammadAG | Weak* |
| 11:32.14 | djszapi | Venemo: sure, that is why I mentioned. |
| 11:32.56 | MohammadAG | continues his search for top on iOS |
| 11:34.40 | djszapi | Venemo: but I need other projects as well for Harmattan, like a media player. |
| 11:38.01 | Venemo | djszapi, what's wrong with da built-in one? |
| 11:38.33 | djszapi | Venemo: nothing. |
| 11:39.12 | Venemo | then? |
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| 11:40.04 | djszapi | then why am I planning it ? |
| 11:40.47 | Venemo | yea, why? |
| 11:42.25 | djszapi | I would like to test my qtopenal code out so I will write a reference implementation (a.k.a. example). It is mostly for games, but last time I talked to a media player author, and he said it is much easier to use the openal API than any others out there. No callbacks, no zillion dependencies and the like: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/qtopenal/repository |
| 11:42.26 | Venemo | mhm :) |
| 11:42.39 | djszapi | it already handles decoding, so it is in a testable state. I am just extending it with new decoder backends. |
| 11:42.46 | MohammadAG | Lack of playlists |
| 11:43.30 | Venemo | is it possible to pass custom parameters to dpkg-buildpackage, like variables or stuff like that? |
| 11:43.53 | djszapi | what would you like to pass ? |
| 11:44.16 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I did make a playlist based on openal |
| 11:44.33 | MohammadAG | djszapi: And it works with mafw? |
| 11:45.29 | MohammadAG | I need my N950 :/ |
| 11:45.42 | macmaN | damn MohammadAG |
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| 11:45.51 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I do not think they have anything to share in common |
| 11:45.52 | macmaN | #3 hasnt gotten there still? |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | Indeed |
| 11:48.00 | djszapi | it is basically a completely different design from the groun up, like QtOpenGL and QGraphicsView framework. |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | djszapi: Exactly mu point |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | The built in one has regressions from fremantle |
| 11:48.00 | djszapi | that is why you mentioned the playlist ? |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | Yes |
| 11:48.00 | djszapi | I have a working playlist, at least. |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | Venemo: djszapi, what's wrong with da built-in one? |
| 11:48.00 | MohammadAG | I was answering that |
| 11:48.00 | Venemo | fucking scratchbox refuses to connect to the internet |
| 11:48.00 | Venemo | MohammadAG, yeah I noticed! :) thanks |
| 11:48.03 | macmaN | MohammadAG: seriously, *i* need you to have your n950 |
| 11:48.05 | MohammadAG | I can have a working playlist with mafw |
| 11:48.07 | macmaN | :> |
| 11:48.23 | MohammadAG | macmaN: Got some nukes? |
| 11:48.27 | djszapi | Venemo: works for me. |
| 11:48.51 | Venemo | djszapi, apt-get is stuck at "0% [Connecting to harmattan-dev.nokia.com]0% [Connecting to harmattan-dev.nokia.com]" forever |
| 11:48.59 | Venemo | djszapi, it also fails to ping any address |
| 11:49.06 | djszapi | Venemo: weird, works for me. |
| 11:49.09 | MohammadAG | Fix /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:49.26 | MohammadAG | Set it to 8.8.8.8 or cp host to sb |
| 11:49.31 | djszapi | Venemo: I have this in resolv.conf nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:49.36 | Venemo | it is set to 8.8.8.8 and 4.4.4.4 |
| 11:50.12 | Venemo | this is my resolv.conf http://pastebin.com/hPmw63ib |
| 11:50.35 | MohammadAG | 70% battery usage in 3 hours |
| 11:50.41 | MohammadAG | Freakin iphone |
| 11:52.51 | Venemo | 'sudo rm -rf /scratchbox' and reinstalling the platform SDK will help. this is a damn old version anyway. |
| 11:52.51 | djszapi | Venemo: why scratchbox ? in the first place ? Wasn't the qtsdk your firm belief ? :p |
| 11:52.51 | Venemo | djszapi, I use scratchbox when I make a package. |
| 11:52.51 | djszapi | why so ? |
| 11:52.51 | Venemo | well, MADDE in the Qt SDK can also do that, but it's easier in Scratchbox. |
| 11:52.51 | djszapi | been saying for half a year :)) |
| 11:52.51 | Venemo | yeah |
| 11:52.51 | MohammadAG | NO |
| 11:52.51 | MohammadAG | unmount before doing that!!! |
| 11:52.51 | MohammadAG | Removing /scratchbox can possibly harm your system |
| 11:52.51 | Venemo | well, I've always agreed on that! that is why I never wanted to create packages with Qt Creator |
| 11:53.07 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I've stopped sb before doing it |
| 11:53.25 | MohammadAG | But you forgot to mention how here |
| 11:53.39 | Venemo | 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop' |
| 11:53.48 | djszapi | scratchbox is an awesome stuff |
| 11:53.58 | djszapi | I am enjoying the same workflow for android |
| 11:54.02 | djszapi | and will do that probably for tizen as well |
| 11:54.16 | djszapi | if the Nokia feature phone is linux based, that as well |
| 11:54.24 | Venemo | :) |
| 11:54.33 | Venemo | scratchbox also works on my ideapad |
| 11:54.40 | MohammadAG | Tizen is the reason i might leave to ios if no decent platforms show up |
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| 11:55.51 | Venemo | if no decent platform shows up, I'll just go for WP7 (NON-Nokia WP7), but only after my N950 rusts to dust... :P |
| 11:57.08 | MohammadAG | iOS for me, large application library, developing, or even hacking pays well |
| 11:57.08 | Venemo | mhm |
| 11:58.00 | MohammadAG | And tbh id rather go with apple than ms |
| 11:58.17 | Venemo | C# is more fun to code than Objective-C |
| 11:58.49 | MohammadAG | iOS can have C/C++ afaik |
| 11:59.01 | djszapi | speaking of C#, Venemo: I could not port mono yet. There was a compilation error. It would be nice to get it work.. |
| 11:59.34 | MohammadAG | Also iOS devs are awesome |
| 11:59.50 | Venemo | djszapi, I've got no experience with porting Mono, unfortunately. |
| 12:00.12 | MohammadAG | At least one says the n9 is awesome and actually frequents this channel |
| 12:00.22 | Venemo | :) |
| 12:00.31 | djszapi | though, glade seemed a bit of more pain than qml |
| 12:00.53 | Venemo | glade has a better designer IDE than qml |
| 12:02.11 | djszapi | that is a negative point as well :) |
| 12:02.11 | Venemo | in any case, I don't see too much future for GNOME-based technology. be it glade or gtk or whatever |
| 12:02.11 | MohammadAG | Last time i tried the qml designer it sucked |
| 12:02.11 | Venemo | MohammadAG, yep, I've never bothered to try it :P |
| 12:02.11 | MohammadAG | I see it almost dead |
| 12:02.11 | djszapi | well, it would be nice to see more integration into kdevelop than qtcreator |
| 12:02.23 | djszapi | let it either madde, or qml designer. |
| 12:02.34 | Venemo | they should merge those two apps |
| 12:02.44 | djszapi | Venemo: we tried to tell it to them many times |
| 12:02.53 | djszapi | they are hilariously stubborn about qtcreator |
| 12:03.16 | djszapi | code sharing is clearly not their vision just copy pasting forth and back. |
| 12:03.16 | Venemo | Qt Creator is awesome |
| 12:03.29 | djszapi | they "stole" the C++ parser. |
| 12:03.42 | djszapi | and do not share many things, so it is almost a nightmare to cooperate with them |
| 12:03.53 | Venemo | in fact, Qt Creator is the ONLY C/C++ IDE that I can endure working with (besides Visual Studio) |
| 12:04.31 | djszapi | I dislike their vision because of this closed mentality. |
| 12:05.01 | Venemo | I tried Anjuta and KDevelop and CodeBlocks, but couldn't endure more than 5 minutes with either of them. |
| 12:05.05 | djszapi | they will probably steal the cmake implementation as well at some point |
| 12:05.30 | Venemo | there is no such thing as "stealing" in the free software world |
| 12:05.42 | djszapi | imho, design qtcreator should have happened completely differently from the beginning |
| 12:08.03 | djszapi | they should have either established a library for developing IDEs. |
| 12:08.03 | Venemo | I, myself, also "stole" some code from Konversation. its authors were more than happy to share their code. :) |
| 12:08.03 | djszapi | and since the kdevelop guys had a lot of knowledge about this. That would have been the bare minimum |
| 12:08.03 | djszapi | and sadly, my friend tried it from the kdevelop project to talk to them, but they were completely stubborn about this cooperation. |
| 12:08.03 | Venemo | that's sad. |
| 12:08.03 | djszapi | imho, the qtcreator development is based on wrong decision from the beginning. |
| 12:08.04 | djszapi | sadly, they did not refactor it completely for the second major version either... |
| 12:08.37 | Venemo | dat's because the second "major" version was just a marketing decision. |
| 12:09.02 | djszapi | I know the reasons. Completely insane. |
| 12:09.42 | Venemo | well anyway, it's software that worksforme. so I use it. :) |
| 12:09.52 | djszapi | ahh discussing qtcreator is such a sad matter to me ... |
| 12:10.08 | Venemo | :( |
| 12:13.37 | Venemo | djszapi, once my sbox installation is complete, are you interested in trying a prerelease package of the new irc-chatter? |
| 12:14.12 | djszapi | yes, but unsure when I can find the time for that. |
| 12:14.59 | Venemo | well, just install it and use it whenever you're on your N9 :P if it crashes or does something weird, just tell me about it |
| 12:18.00 | djszapi | okie dokie |
| 12:28.44 | djszapi | mmm....libsndfile cannot really use libvorbisidec...that is not nice. |
| 12:28.59 | djszapi | I wonder if it is just a harmattan packager mistake, or libsndfile software limitation. |
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| 12:34.25 | djszapi | MohammadAG: so what regression does the playlist have in MAFW ? |
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| 12:46.44 | djszapi | faenil: o/ |
| 12:47.17 | faenil | lo :) |
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| 13:00.21 | MohammadAG | djszapi: UX, not mafw |
| 13:01.09 | djszapi | what is the precise regression ? |
| 13:01.51 | MohammadAG | You cant make playlists |
| 13:02.11 | MohammadAG | Theres no now playing playlist |
| 13:02.46 | MohammadAG | The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists |
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| 13:11.00 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, ping |
| 13:17.16 | faenil | anyone who can help with a gl context matter? |
| 13:17.25 | faenil | (I have already asked on qt-3d) |
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| 13:19.41 | djszapi | faenil: #opengl |
| 13:20.07 | faenil | but it's more of a Qt thing...I think QDeclarativeItem somehow disables my context, or smthg like that |
| 13:20.13 | faenil | anyway, I'll try there too... |
| 13:20.14 | faenil | :) |
| 13:20.18 | djszapi | then #qt |
| 13:20.28 | faenil | right, I'll try in both ;) |
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