| 00:00.00 | Sazpaimon | N9 is not worth its price tag |
| 00:00.05 | psycho_oreos | N9 comes with 3 different internal capacity price tag |
| 00:00.09 | Sazpaimon | but nokia knows people will buy it at its price tag |
| 00:00.13 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos: why is it retarded, it's hw is > n950 |
| 00:00.21 | psycho_oreos | err different internal capacity, therefore it has different price tag |
| 00:00.25 | merlin1991 | ofc it's price might not be what one wants to pay for such a phone |
| 00:00.42 | Sazpaimon | this is nokia, a company that sells dumbphones made out of diamonds for tens of thousands of dollars apiece |
| 00:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 500 bucks penaly plus recompensation for further damage done |
| 00:01.13 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, no N9 is on par with N950 in terms of hardware specs. N950 just doesn't have NFC, maybe pentaband and a stupid uSIM slot |
| 00:01.31 | merlin1991 | doesn't it have less ram? |
| 00:01.39 | psycho_oreos | 256MB less |
| 00:01.39 | merlin1991 | (me darkly remembers something) |
| 00:01.58 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Ah - I missed that. |
| 00:02.07 | pauly__ | sry to be a bother but like whats like a real neat feature of harmattan cause im looking for reviews of n9 on youtube all the talk about is swype |
| 00:02.12 | Sazpaimon | N950 has pentaband |
| 00:02.13 | merlin1991 | sure if you can get your hands on a n950 legally I'd do it, but if not I'd go the n9 way |
| 00:02.17 | merlin1991 | it's still a great device |
| 00:02.33 | Sazpaimon | im pretty sure every nokia smartphone phone since the N8 is pentaband |
| 00:02.37 | psycho_oreos | but you get a proper hardware keyboard, and you can probably attach bluetooth keyboard and expect it to work. The wireless LAN module on the N950 can maybe be set to do proper rfmon modes. N9 has _none_ |
| 00:02.49 | Sazpaimon | like I said |
| 00:03.00 | Sazpaimon | i was thinking of making a bluetooth slider keyboard cast for the N9 |
| 00:03.22 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon, ever read what DocScrutinizer wrote? |
| 00:03.30 | Sazpaimon | or if USB hostmode becomes possible, a USB slider case |
| 00:03.33 | Sazpaimon | with passthru |
| 00:03.53 | Sazpaimon | psycho_oreos, wrt? |
| 00:04.10 | merlin1991 | but psycho_oreos 500 fine + possible further damage, kinda ends what the n9 costs in stores |
| 00:04.44 | psycho_oreos | Sazpaimon, no idea of what you meant by wrt, but he said that (iinm) N9 lacks the necessary setup for keyboard inputs.. |
| 00:04.59 | Sazpaimon | wrt = with regard to |
| 00:05.09 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, BFD, I'd rather get N950 anyday compared to N9 personally. |
| 00:05.15 | Sazpaimon | and i thought with a modified kernel you can enable HID support |
| 00:05.15 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 00:05.46 | Sazpaimon | and like i said, if usb hostmode comes out i'll make it a USB keyboard |
| 00:05.49 | psycho_oreos | I've heard from elsewhere you can't pair any bluetooth keyboard with N9 |
| 00:05.52 | Sazpaimon | with a passthru for charging of course |
| 00:06.04 | Sazpaimon | you can't, N9 doesnt have HID support out of the box |
| 00:06.12 | psycho_oreos | well there you go |
| 00:06.20 | psycho_oreos | goes to show how retarded N9 is |
| 00:06.21 | Sazpaimon | if you use a custom kernel you can enable HID support |
| 00:06.33 | psycho_oreos | and forget about aegis? not likely |
| 00:07.11 | Sazpaimon | theres a custom kernel which bypasses aegis |
| 00:07.18 | Sazpaimon | there's also this: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/11/connect-bluetooth-keyboard-n9/ |
| 00:07.24 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: No, there isn't. |
| 00:07.44 | Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, at the very least it lets root be superuser |
| 00:07.47 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: you can't use the stock software properly with the aegis-disabled kernel. |
| 00:07.59 | SpeedEvil | It at least needs significant further work. |
| 00:08.25 | Sazpaimon | yes but its possible at least |
| 00:08.27 | SpeedEvil | For example - as it is at the moment, _every_ bit of user-data - messages/... is read-only |
| 00:08.49 | Sazpaimon | also i dont know if that bluez-test package still works |
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| 00:09.32 | pauly_ | hey |
| 00:09.52 | psycho_oreos | That is still by far a long shot into getting a proper keyboard to work. Sure its a start no doubt.. probably wait till nokia releases a patch to prevent any further loopholes like they did with dev stuff |
| 00:09.58 | pauly_ | i missed like past 3 mins |
| 00:10.22 | psycho_oreos | pauly_, paste me the last line you saw and I'll pastebin the rest to you |
| 00:10.35 | Sazpaimon | id rather wait for usb hostmode |
| 00:10.40 | Sazpaimon | it'd use less battery |
| 00:10.41 | pauly_ | me saying about an amazing feature |
| 00:11.00 | pauly_ | then my router went crazy lol |
| 00:11.46 | psycho_oreos | pauly_, http://pastebin.com/eSBkx5sU |
| 00:13.31 | Sazpaimon | also will someone please just port whatsapp to the N9 so people will shut the hell up about it |
| 00:13.33 | psycho_oreos | in a nutshell nothing interesting about swype was discussed |
| 00:13.43 | pauly_ | no |
| 00:14.01 | pauly_ | i mean thats all i can find |
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| 00:15.11 | pauly_ | i mean like whats amazing about harmattan the os? not the hardware |
| 00:15.23 | pauly_ | i know n950 is better |
| 00:15.51 | pauly_ | i don't mean to be annoying |
| 00:15.55 | merlin1991 | pauly_: relative openness, and an awesome ui |
| 00:15.58 | psycho_oreos | harmattan only has swype that be deemed as good.. almost everything else is on par with maemo except with aegis |
| 00:15.59 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there is anything flat out amazing about harmattan. |
| 00:16.07 | SpeedEvil | Swipe is usable. |
| 00:16.28 | pauly_ | really |
| 00:16.48 | SpeedEvil | But IMO after playing with it for a while - only about as usable as a hardware button for task switcher - like was possible in the n900. |
| 00:16.54 | pauly_ | thanks i appreicate it |
| 00:17.38 | Sazpaimon | swype is horrible |
| 00:17.41 | pauly_ | maybe ill wait til something better comes out |
| 00:17.53 | Sazpaimon | all its good for is the addition of arrow keys and cut/paste commands |
| 00:18.13 | psycho_oreos | probably it won't be from nokia.. the next thing from nokia (well pretty much current now) are those mango phones |
| 00:18.18 | Sazpaimon | what I hate about swype is that it can only really be reliably used for swype |
| 00:18.30 | Sazpaimon | if i wanted to tap out letters normally the swype keyboard sucks for that |
| 00:18.56 | Sazpaimon | thankfully I can switch vkb types on the fly |
| 00:19.10 | psycho_oreos | yeah with N950 |
| 00:19.13 | psycho_oreos | :þ |
| 00:20.05 | arcean | hmm |
| 00:20.07 | arcean | according to dmesg, SGX clock rate is higer on PR 1.1 by 5 MHz |
| 00:20.09 | pauly_ | for $700 i can get a unlocked docomo ntt phone |
| 00:20.20 | arcean | they have overclocked it? |
| 00:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: USB hostmode cuts thru your battery in no time, while BT is bearable or next to good regarding that aspect |
| 00:20.44 | arcean | as currently it's clocked at 195MHz |
| 00:20.51 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, even if its usb 1.1 mode? |
| 00:21.07 | Sazpaimon | a keyboard would only really need low power mode |
| 00:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, it's the 5V supply that matters |
| 00:21.16 | Sazpaimon | mmm you're right |
| 00:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | needs a converter running all the time |
| 00:21.37 | Sazpaimon | i wonder if the N9 mainboard has contacts for a keyboard interface |
| 00:21.57 | psycho_oreos | someone on the tmo thread also pondered about that before as well |
| 00:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | that'S why I'm tempted to disassemble the critter right away |
| 00:22.11 | Sazpaimon | or I could make it so the keyboard only turns on when slid out |
| 00:22.29 | Sazpaimon | when slid in it only functions as a USB passthru |
| 00:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | but odds are really low on this to fly, as the twl4030 companion chip used in N9 *has no* hw kbd interface, unlike the chip used in N950 |
| 00:23.15 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: There are existing slide-out BT keyboards for the iphone. |
| 00:24.11 | Sazpaimon | i'd prefer USB because then it wouldnt require external power |
| 00:24.34 | psycho_oreos | you still have a huge battery drain otoh |
| 00:24.44 | Sazpaimon | not if it only is on when slid out |
| 00:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | actually via ID pin you *could* signal phone when to power up VBUS |
| 00:25.11 | Sazpaimon | how often is your N900 keyboard out |
| 00:25.29 | pauly_ | anyone ever use the docomo phones? |
| 00:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | a lot, but then I know it's not eating power |
| 00:25.48 | Sazpaimon | only problem I would have with a keyboard case is that it would make the N9 too top heavy |
| 00:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: I heard a lot of asian guys actually do |
| 00:25.57 | Sazpaimon | all the weight would be on the screen and the keyboard would weigh nothing |
| 00:25.58 | psycho_oreos | pauly_, I think that's now starting to become ot, you may want to try asking in #n9 :þ |
| 00:26.01 | Sazpaimon | it would be awkward to hold |
| 00:26.18 | Sazpaimon | unless you weighted the keyboard, but then the entire device would be just a heavy brick |
| 00:26.20 | pauly_ | ot? |
| 00:26.29 | psycho_oreos | offtopic |
| 00:26.42 | pauly_ | ohh yeah definitly |
| 00:28.08 | Sazpaimon | also i'd like to make a design that did not cover the camera when slid in |
| 00:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: well, you might get a hinge like on N950, plus a stand to come out on opening it |
| 00:28.34 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, that would still make it awkward to hold |
| 00:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | you can't get all, right now and here ;-D |
| 00:29.10 | Sazpaimon | what would be really cool, but still awkward to hold |
| 00:29.35 | Sazpaimon | is if the keyboard slid out from inside the case in the middle |
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| 00:30.05 | Sazpaimon | like, press a button and the keyboard pops out |
| 00:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:30.28 | Sazpaimon | not enough room inside the case for something like that though |
| 00:30.33 | Sazpaimon | i hear its pretty cramped in there |
| 00:30.34 | SpeedEvil | Would add maybe 6mm or so to the thickness. |
| 00:30.37 | SpeedEvil | Optimisitcally. |
| 00:30.52 | Sazpaimon | no such thing as a thin slider |
| 00:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | get a <1mm thickness dome sheet kbd ;-D |
| 00:31.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Droid-RAZR-Teardown/7048/1 |
| 00:31.36 | Sazpaimon | now THAT would be hard to hold |
| 00:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | flexible |
| 00:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | yes, rather hard to hold |
| 00:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | and terrible to type on |
| 00:32.12 | Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, razyr isnt a slider is it |
| 00:32.19 | Sazpaimon | *razr |
| 00:33.58 | Sazpaimon | i mean i personally wouldnt have a problem adding weight to the keyboard part to match the screen |
| 00:34.10 | Sazpaimon | but i know it would be very off putting to a lot of people |
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| 00:38.43 | npm | anybody got some qml qsparql code to extract gps locations of camera/video media from tracker (alahttp://blogs.kde.org/node/4340 ) |
| 00:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | anyway looking at the "stacking up razr to original milestone" at that site, I feel like mentioning N9 is thinner than N900's kbd half |
| 00:46.12 | SpeedEvil | yep |
| 00:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | placing the N9 on a table to the top side of N900, the N900 happily slides open over the N9 |
| 00:46.39 | SpeedEvil | I've never seen a problem with the n900 thickness. |
| 00:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | which gave me a slight wow-effect# |
| 00:47.01 | SpeedEvil | And I have it in a case which adds 3mm or so. |
| 00:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 00:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | and I'll stay with my N900s as long as I can source spares |
| 00:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | unless sth better than N9(50) comes along |
| 00:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'm running cicrles around the "up to 40 words per minute" claimed by swype, with N900 kbd |
| 00:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | let alone I'd get more like 4 words per minute with friggin swype |
| 00:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | 4 correct words plus 8 to delete as they were plain wrong |
| 00:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd honestly prefer learning to shake morse code to the N9 rather than learning to use swype |
| 00:52.08 | SpeedEvil | They really need some way to vet hese. |
| 00:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | ater all morse is a generally "useful" thing to learn, whle swype... :-x |
| 00:52.28 | SpeedEvil | You can't rationally count GeneralAntilles as a 900 keyboard user. |
| 00:52.41 | SpeedEvil | And you can't count the fastest swype people either. |
| 00:53.11 | SpeedEvil | But that soet of testing requires time and money. |
| 00:53.33 | SpeedEvil | 'give 10 people keyboard for x minutes seperated by y hours for z time, ...' |
| 00:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | swype is BS as you have no clue where the N is when you reached E of THEN - your finger covers the N and will do all the time until you slided too far |
| 00:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | and principle of swype doesn't allow for corrections of direction |
| 00:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | it *may* work on way larger screens, with stylus |
| 00:57.47 | SpeedEvil | And that's fundamentally wrong. |
| 00:58.04 | SpeedEvil | The problem is presumably some users _can_ hit vastly higher speeds than you. |
| 00:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | wype is a hoax in my book |
| 00:58.26 | SpeedEvil | But probably, the majority can't really. |
| 00:58.44 | SpeedEvil | And they push the speed of the fastest. |
| 00:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Like claiming GeneralAntilles is representative of the n900 keyboar.d |
| 00:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | so it's "wow that's a smart new idea, sounds good.... but using it I say MEH and please give me back usual typing" |
| 00:59.39 | SpeedEvil | It's also clearly going to work better for users with smaller vocabularies. |
| 00:59.52 | SpeedEvil | And it's at least going to require some hours of training time. |
| 00:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | how GAN came in to this discussin (or rather monologue)? |
| 01:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | I'M AMAZING |
| 01:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | undoubtedly |
| 01:00.21 | SpeedEvil | I went from ~10-15wpm on the n900 to ~35wpm after my laptop broke for a week. |
| 01:00.31 | GeneralAntilles | slays some more dragons. |
| 01:00.32 | SpeedEvil | And I was using it for IRC. |
| 01:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | btw is it just me being blind or is there no way to enter | {} etc to N9 xterm? |
| 01:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | ooh there's | |
| 01:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, and cursor pgup/dwn ctrl esc |
| 01:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | tab |
| 01:04.38 | SpeedEvil | pipe, {} are on the second symbol keys on my n950 |
| 01:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | toolbar "shell" in xterm is suboptimal, it duplicates a lot of keys actualy available on regular vkbd symbol/num page while there's actualy no {} anywhere |
| 01:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: second symbol as in...? |
| 01:09.04 | SpeedEvil | there is a '1+...' above the 'ABC' to get caps. |
| 01:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Press it, and the symbol keyb appears, and it changes to 2+, and the second symbol keyboard appears. |
| 01:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | no {} on that one on my N950 either |
| 01:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | oooh yes |
| 01:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | those are actually curly braces |
| 01:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 01:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | seems I need a pair of glasses eventually |
| 01:11.49 | SpeedEvil | is wearing a pair of 1.5 dioptre glasses, with one lens punched out. |
| 01:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | on N9 those are square brackets nevertheless |
| 01:12.00 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 01:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | while upper row is still 1..90 |
| 01:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | how insane |
| 01:12.41 | SpeedEvil | Just been playing with android. So many apps. |
| 01:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | they spoiled the key skew from upper to 2nd row on N9 to get ONE aditional key in there, then waste TEN keys on duplicating 1234567890 on upper row of 2/2 |
| 01:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | now that's what I call improvement |
| 01:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | and no more curly braces |
| 01:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | meh, nobody will ever need them anyway |
| 01:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 01:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | wonders who still recalls the ALT+NKnnn scancode entry |
| 01:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah that woud've been TOO smart and easy: when key repeat already doesn't work anywhere in HARM, wasn't it a smart idea to pop up a selector dropdown on long tap on any key on xterm toolbar (and maybe as well on vkbd) to assign arbitrary char to that (virtual) key |
| 01:27.37 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 01:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | indeed MEH - what a silly game to play with this vkbd to find more points that annoy me |
| 01:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | puts N9 back to its place left of PC on desk where it belongs |
| 01:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | feels strange pain in wrists |
| 01:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | at very least "swyping" on "normal" vkbd behaves somewhat as you'd expect it, unless on e.g calculator |
| 01:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | where the whole operation scheme is a mere joke |
| 01:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | on calculator the "char" gets entered on key-down event rather than key-up, and sliding away from a key and then back to it creates another key-down event |
| 01:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | probably the extremely cute QML toolkit |
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| 02:31.22 | wook | Heya, how to add app to auto startup? |
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| 02:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | hah, good question |
| 02:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | on fremantle there was a thing like x-preload=always in .desktop, which had the nice downside of your app restarting when you close it |
| 02:52.22 | wook | Owh, that's not good :S |
| 02:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of a proper solution for the problem |
| 02:52.30 | wook | Any hack/tweak about it? |
| 02:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | xsession comes to mind |
| 02:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | I once tried to make xchat load via .xsession, on N810. For some unknown reason I failed on it |
| 02:53.53 | wook | Hmm, i am not that much into all this... |
| 02:53.56 | wook | :S |
| 02:54.32 | wook | And this is my first linux toy |
| 02:56.30 | wook | Any module that works as "top window"? |
| 02:59.14 | npm | http://fresno.universelisting.com/ads/fresno-for-sale-nokia-n9-64gb-magenta-global-3g-wifi-smartphone-400usd-ad-485966/ |
| 02:59.18 | npm | ? |
| 03:00.35 | ieatlint | in fresno... wtf |
| 03:00.52 | npm | then again, the same search also turned up http://www.adobe-flashlite.com/?tag=flash-lite-40 -- saying the n9 runs flash ... |
| 03:01.11 | ieatlint | the n9 was supposed to run flash |
| 03:01.15 | wook | fake? |
| 03:01.24 | ieatlint | and even have camera support for the front facing camera |
| 03:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | wook: you definitely want to look into .xsession file |
| 03:01.41 | ieatlint | no idea what happened... definitely doesn't have flash on it |
| 03:01.47 | wook | Ok Doc :), thank you :) |
| 03:02.05 | npm | you mean that flash had camera support for the front facing camera? (i assume the n9's camera works, right??) |
| 03:02.23 | npm | wishes i had n9 |
| 03:02.38 | ieatlint | npm: there is no flash on the device |
| 03:02.49 | npm | that's what i thought |
| 03:03.04 | ieatlint | i just know that it was supposed to, because i had lunch in may with one of the devs working specifically on "webcam" flash support |
| 03:03.34 | wook | Flash as flash player or flash as flash light? :D |
| 03:03.39 | npm | so btw, what is the solution for building portable apps with a front-facing camera? |
| 03:03.44 | ieatlint | adobe flash |
| 03:03.54 | npm | html5 has no camera support, so what does one do? |
| 03:04.07 | npm | but flash is missing on ios, n9, etc |
| 03:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | wook: /etc/init/xsession/* |
| 03:04.39 | ieatlint | you'll just have to find another platform to broadcast naked videos of yourself |
| 03:04.47 | ieatlint | might i suggest an android tablet |
| 03:05.14 | npm | yeah, that also suggests using google+ directly |
| 03:05.32 | wook | Great :) |
| 03:05.36 | wook | Thanx Doc :) |
| 03:05.36 | npm | for face-to-face chatting |
| 03:06.01 | ieatlint | i've not tried, but i've been told video calling doesn't work on the n9, including with skype and gtalk |
| 03:06.05 | npm | but is there a google+-like video chat solutiion that works on nokias? |
| 03:06.23 | wook | Btw, what about ocing? Anyone oced so far? |
| 03:06.26 | ieatlint | there was on the n900, which supported gtalk video calling |
| 03:07.22 | npm | notes http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#GTalk_and_Skype_account_setup |
| 03:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | wook: /etc/init/xsession/applauncherd.conf seems a good start point, copy&edit |
| 03:08.03 | ieatlint | on current n950 software, gtalk is officially there (skype isn't though, oddly) |
| 03:08.14 | npm | ieatlint: and skype too... so is any of that stuff available (or slated to be available when bugs worked out) for n9? |
| 03:08.28 | npm | gtalk with video? |
| 03:08.43 | hiemanshu | is there a walk to check what keyboard is being used? |
| 03:08.50 | hiemanshu | s/walk/way/ |
| 03:08.51 | wook | hmmm, many conf files |
| 03:08.54 | wook | :D |
| 03:08.56 | wook | Brb |
| 03:09.29 | ieatlint | npm: uh, i don't know |
| 03:09.30 | ieatlint | i doubt it |
| 03:09.44 | ieatlint | i don't think we'll see any new features on the n9 |
| 03:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | wook: every of those files deals with a single autostarted process - add your own file there |
| 03:09.53 | ieatlint | possible for 3rd party support |
| 03:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | wook: and don't forget: |
| 03:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~may-i-edit |
| 03:10.16 | infobot | may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && exit; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 03:10.47 | npm | on a completely different subject, how does one list the geotag information stored in photos or videos on harmattan? |
| 03:11.37 | npm | ~teach-me-about-qsparql-and-write-a-query-for-me |
| 03:11.44 | npm | oh well |
| 03:12.57 | wook | How do you mean "~may-i-edit? |
| 03:13.00 | wook | :D |
| 03:13.36 | wook | :D |
| 03:13.59 | wook | Ahh, i'll hack this one day though :D |
| 03:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | I mean aegis is protecting each existing file in /etc/init/xsession |
| 03:14.27 | npm | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2011/06/22/we-delivered <-- heh |
| 03:14.27 | wook | ahaaa ...'"probably not"' |
| 03:14.35 | wook | :D |
| 03:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | but adding a file of your own there might be allowed nevertheless |
| 03:14.44 | wook | Why is aegis so mean? :( |
| 03:14.58 | wook | Cruel aegis :D |
| 03:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's all to protect you from possible threats ;-P |
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| 03:15.41 | wook | Yea...tell me about it, i am symbian user :S we had cenrep.exe :S lol |
| 03:16.11 | wook | And ekern.exe to keep our hands out of everything what was cool |
| 03:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | >>It’s mostly open source! And not open source in the ‘Android way’. You know what I mean.<< BWAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | wook: |
| 03:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 03:18.35 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
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| 03:23.41 | z720 | kernel source ? |
| 03:25.15 | wook | :D |
| 03:26.12 | wook | Android and symbian was just a joke...:S |
| 03:26.59 | wook | I remember, i was like most happy person when there was announcement that symbian will go open, but when i read what it were...i installed IDA again :D |
| 03:53.19 | npm | hopes new screenshots don't say anything nasty in polish or russian : http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ |
| 03:55.06 | wook | :D |
| 03:57.30 | wook | Going |
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| 05:19.56 | npm | finally gets syntax right |
| 05:19.58 | npm | tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?u) WHERE { ?u a nmm:MusicPiece .}' |
| 05:20.48 | npm | the person that came up with that fing-syntax should have his computing license taken away... |
| 05:23.43 | npm | tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?u) WHERE { ?u a nmm:Photo . }' |
| 05:23.45 | npm | tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?u) WHERE { ?u a nmm:Video . }' |
| 05:23.47 | npm | wheee... |
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| 07:22.56 | dm8tbr | npm: that one sentence is totatl gibberish in polish ;) |
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| 07:35.55 | npm | that's what i thought |
| 07:36.23 | npm | there was a lot of background noise, and my father doesn't really speak polish, but fakes it |
| 07:37.01 | npm | he did the turkish and the russian too... |
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| 08:52.13 | qronic | is that possible to place arbitrary script into /etc/init? won't aegis brick the phone? |
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| 09:50.21 | dm8tbr | qronic: aegis will never brick the phone |
| 09:50.35 | qronic | ok, then "brick" |
| 09:50.42 | dm8tbr | qronic: the phone might MALF, but it's easy to recover by reflashing |
| 09:50.49 | qronic | reflashing isn't nice thing |
| 09:50.59 | qronic | especially when it's not when you wanna do it |
| 09:51.03 | dm8tbr | it's not brick either |
| 09:51.15 | dm8tbr | brick is if you delete the certificate storage, people did that |
| 09:52.36 | dm8tbr | files monitored by aegis are known, there's a hash-list |
| 09:53.05 | qronic | I know |
| 09:53.20 | qronic | /etc/init folder is not there |
| 09:53.26 | dm8tbr | aside from that, if you do such stuff, make backups, prepare to reflash |
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| 10:01.09 | BluesLee | hey, anyone awake? |
| 10:02.53 | jonni | qronic: /etc/init/apps/ is the dir where 3rd party apps can place aritrary scripts that are runned at the end of boot, and those will not cause malf |
| 10:05.29 | jonni | and you can anyways even disable MALF if you happen to hack develsh to have extra capabilities. |
| 10:07.13 | jonni | life started to be quite much easier when I disabled malf and could edit anything under /etc :-) |
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| 10:22.01 | qronic | jonni, how's that? using modified kernel? |
| 10:22.22 | nid0 | has anyone actually tried using the track & protect software? |
| 10:26.07 | jonni | qronic: there's several ways to do that, one would be to boot to modified kernel once and install develsh with extra capas and then reboot back to pr1.1 kernel. That can be done even without booting to modified kernel, but that needs a bit more trickery :) |
| 10:26.30 | qronic | hm, didn't thought about it |
| 10:26.37 | qronic | so devel-sh is not on aegis list? |
| 10:27.00 | jonni | qronic: it is in aegis list |
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| 10:30.22 | qronic | jonni, so why aegis doesn't malf when it sees modified devel-sh after reboot? you've managed to update it's hash in aegis db while in "trickery" mode :) ? |
| 10:31.45 | jonni | qronic: yes ofcourse I'll let dpkg to sign the new refhashlist for me. |
| 10:32.23 | qronic | got it |
| 10:32.47 | qronic | btw, don't you know on which stage and what script stes SEAL bit on aegis .../enabled? |
| 10:32.57 | qronic | s/stes/sets |
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| 10:33.23 | freemangordon | Stskeeps ping |
| 10:33.28 | Stskeeps | pong |
| 10:33.32 | freemangordon | hi |
| 10:34.35 | freemangordon | Although I am almost sure there is no progress with gst-dsp, let me ask you is there any :)? |
| 10:35.02 | jonni | qronic: validator-init sets it at very early stage of the boot, so you really cannot disable it at boot stage, you need to insmod whitelisted kernel module after boot to remove the SEAL after the boot |
| 10:35.43 | Stskeeps | freemangordon: get someone who owns a N9 and get them to do a source code request |
| 10:36.01 | freemangordon | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 10:38.38 | qronic | jonni, you're talking about /usr/sbin/validator-init? |
| 10:38.52 | jonni | qronic: yes |
| 10:39.04 | qronic | I thought of some trick, but damn, it's static |
| 10:39.36 | qronic | jonni, thanks for the info |
| 10:40.03 | jonni | qronic: and even when that file is not in refhashlist, the checksum of that is checked elsewhere during boot, so no use to edit it :) |
| 10:40.35 | qronic | that makes sense :) |
| 10:41.26 | gri | Any cool icon designer in here? |
| 10:41.31 | jonni | qronic: I just did custom kernel module which removes the SEAL, was much easier approach |
| 10:42.14 | qronic | I've seen it, yeah, just a memset() with zeroes |
| 10:42.44 | qronic | probably worth to research how to unset hooks on LSM aegis installs, probably will gain some speed |
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| 10:43.52 | jonni | qronic: nope, memset() patch disabled whole aegis and cripled the system, and that was not the right way to do it, my module just removes SEAL and whitelist bits, and leaving rest still working. |
| 10:46.23 | qronic | jonni, ahh, yeah, javispedro set valinfo->seal = 0; not memset(), my bad |
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| 10:48.15 | jonni | qronic: ah yes, javispedro's unseal.ko worked on earlier kernels, on 1.1 kernel valinfo export is hidden and you need to be a bit more creative on kernel module side :=) |
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| 10:49.24 | qronic | jonni, hm, yeah, it's not exported now :) |
| 10:49.35 | qronic | hello, Nokia :) |
| 10:49.57 | qronic | did you searched it walking from some exported symbol? |
| 10:50.13 | qronic | looking for some pattern |
| 10:50.19 | jonni | qronic: just 4 lines more of code to add dynamic search function, and now it will find valinfo in any past, current or future kernel. |
| 10:52.33 | xmlich02 | hi, is there any possiblity to change swipe gesture down from close to away? change of ~/.config/mcompositor/mcompsitor.conf seems to be not working |
| 10:52.45 | xmlich02 | i am using n9 |
| 10:54.05 | qronic | jonni, validator_fsaccess() seems like a good place to seach from, though there are probably way more |
| 10:54.41 | jonni | qronic: that function is still exported, another way was just to patch that one. |
| 10:54.43 | qronic | it compares valinfo.seal with 1 and returns |
| 10:55.03 | qronic | so it's easy to find valinfo.seal |
| 10:55.03 | nix-cyrus | xmlich02: you have to install swipe manager from ovi store. it's free |
| 10:56.02 | jonni | trivial easy |
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| 10:59.42 | gri | nix-cyrus: Does not work for me on 1.1 even though I read some weeks ago the author addressed that error |
| 10:59.49 | xmlich02 | nix-cyrus, swipe manager is not working |
| 11:00.32 | gri | also contacted the author of swipe manager when he will convert his program into a control panel applet - no reply. |
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| 11:33.22 | qronic | jonni, could you post accli -b /usr/sbin/* on pastebin? |
| 11:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | moos evilly |
| 11:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: guess what's next kernel looking like ;-D |
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| 12:05.37 | jonni | qronic: that command really doesnt do anything, since -b needs full filename path so *-regexp, and without -I the command will just stall |
| 12:06.02 | jonni | regexp will fail even |
| 12:06.11 | qronic | I jut wanted to see tokens on programs in /usr/sbin |
| 12:06.23 | qronic | any way to easily do this? |
| 12:06.46 | jonni | script with for loop that changes * to filenames |
| 12:12.51 | jonni | FILES=/usr/bin/*;for f in $FILES; do echo "Processing $f file..."; accli -I -b $f;done |
| 12:13.00 | jonni | that seemed to work |
| 12:14.15 | qronic | :) yuo were first |
| 12:14.21 | qronic | could you post it on pastebin? |
| 12:14.33 | qronic | cause I don't have tcb token to view it |
| 12:14.52 | qronic | and I guess /usr/sbin is better |
| 12:15.03 | qronic | those progs might have higher tokens I guess |
| 12:15.43 | qronic | for i in `ls -1 /usr/sbin` > do |
| 12:15.43 | qronic | > accli -I -b ${i} |
| 12:15.43 | qronic | > done |
| 12:15.49 | qronic | my variant |
| 12:20.33 | gabriel9 | anyone from denmark? |
| 12:20.48 | Chaz6 | leinir is |
| 12:21.31 | gabriel9 | ahoy leinir |
| 12:23.36 | leinir | not entirely here, but hullos :) |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.32 | gabriel9 | u buy my N9 in eastern EU(Republic Serbska) but it is from Denmark. Did you get updates for N9 in Denmark? |
| 12:30.11 | leinir | ah, no idea - mine's from Norway :) |
| 12:30.16 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 12:30.48 | gabriel9 | This is really mess with regions and version |
| 12:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | btw accli: invalid option -- b |
| 12:31.17 | gabriel9 | if you know someone can you ask them and give me info? :) |
| 12:31.37 | gabriel9 | I will return the fawor. |
| 12:32.27 | rcg | what's the preferred way to take screenshots with pr1.1? |
| 12:32.56 | rcg | can't find the screenshot thingy in the qml components examples where it used to be |
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| 12:36.50 | jonni | rcg: there are free apps for that in ovi store |
| 12:38.16 | rcg | alright... will go with one of these for now... thx |
| 12:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | qronic: jonni: |
| 12:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# accli -I /usr/sbin/add-shellxfooblah >x; accli -I >y; diff -s x y |
| 12:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | Files x and y are identical |
| 12:42.21 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: as they should be, you need to do accli -I -b /usr/sbin/file, with -I only you only get current shells creds |
| 12:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | btw accli: invalid option -- b |
| 12:43.09 | jonni | works for me, what version of accli are you using |
| 12:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | tell me :-D |
| 12:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# accli -V |
| 12:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | accli: invalid option -- 'V' |
| 12:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: |
| 12:45.31 | qronic | -b works for me too, PR1.1 N9 |
| 12:45.56 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: dpkg --list |grep o-tools|cut -b68-76 |
| 12:46.11 | jonni | 1.0.2+0m6 |
| 12:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# dpkg --list |grep o-tools|cut -b68-76 |
| 12:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | 0.4.3+0m6 |
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| 12:54.52 | jonni | well your running beta1, -b works in beta2 and N9 |
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| 14:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | qronic: you still need that list of credentials of /sbin/* ? |
| 14:34.36 | qronic | yeah, if you have tcb token so it displays all creds |
| 14:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 14:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | qronic: http://paste.debian.net/145201/ |
| 14:40.14 | qronic | DocScrutinizer, thank you, could you post the same from /usr/sbin/? |
| 14:40.19 | qronic | if it's not hard |
| 14:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, too large for pastebin |
| 14:44.40 | qronic | maybe sendspace.com? if you have access to it |
| 14:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | qronic: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/sbin_creds |
| 14:45.58 | qronic | DocScrutinizer, awesome! thank you so much |
| 14:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | anything else I could rip out of this aegis coffin for you? :-D |
| 14:51.16 | qronic | nah, that's all :) |
| 14:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | I think I'll nevertheless augment that file to include bin/* usr/bin/* sbin/* usr/sbin/* |
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| 15:10.35 | gabriel9 | i create icon for my app .png |
| 15:10.50 | gabriel9 | but still in Applications there is standard Qt icons |
| 15:10.54 | gabriel9 | icon |
| 15:11.26 | gabriel9 | and in my project i can see name of my icon but .svg format |
| 15:12.40 | gabriel9 | do i need to create or edit svg file to match my icon? |
| 15:14.12 | gabriel9 | found it under run options |
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| 16:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | for your convenience: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/credlist_all_executables |
| 16:02.16 | SpeedEvil | Interesting |
| 16:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | I did a `find / -type f -perm -u+x` so sorry for .png and whatnot else showing up there |
| 16:07.43 | mgedmin | executable png files? *headdesk* |
| 16:09.53 | SpeedEvil | Probably on vfat |
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| 16:50.07 | lardman|home | hi chaps |
| 16:50.39 | lardman|home | I'd like to access the C++ class backing a QML item, from C++, but after the QML item has been created purely in QML. Where should I look? |
| 16:51.16 | lardman|home | I was thinking that the QDeclarativeContext would have a getContextProperty() sort of fn, but I can't see one |
| 16:53.30 | lardman|home | hmm, I see this is potentially frowned upon |
| 16:53.39 | rcg | lardman|home: so the c++ class the QML item is created from is yours? |
| 16:53.42 | radiofree | lardman|home: if you know the type of object you could use qobject_cast |
| 16:54.08 | radiofree | e.g qobject_cast<ObjectClass*>(rootObject->findChild<QObject*>(objectName)) |
| 16:54.34 | radiofree | i think for that to work you have to set the objectName property on qml |
| 16:54.59 | radiofree | e.g Binding { objectName: "foo" } then you can use qobject_cast ... findChild<QObject*>(foo) |
| 16:55.08 | lardman|home | rcg: yes, but I was attempting to not create it in C++ |
| 16:55.19 | lardman|home | radiofree: that looks promising, thanks |
| 16:55.28 | radiofree | I actually do that in the qtsparql qml tests |
| 16:55.34 | rcg | lardman|home: well then you can simply pass your object as parameter |
| 16:55.48 | rcg | iirc |
| 16:56.10 | lardman|home | I wonder if it would simply be easier to create the object in C++ and insert it into the context |
| 16:56.22 | radiofree | lardman|home: I create a SparqlConnection (which is actually subclassed from QSparqlConnection) : https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/qsparql/blobs/master/tests/auto/qsparql_qmlbindings/qsparqlconnection.qml#line56 |
| 16:56.32 | lardman|home | looks |
| 16:56.41 | radiofree | then in the test i do: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/qsparql/blobs/master/tests/auto/qsparql_qmlbindings/tst_qsparql_qmlbindings.cpp#line100 |
| 16:57.17 | radiofree | so that will be qobject_cast<QSparqlConnection*>(qmlObject->findChild<QObject*>("connectionWithOptions")) |
| 16:58.34 | lardman|home | cool, looks like what I need, thanks |
| 16:58.38 | radiofree | np |
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| 17:03.54 | rcg | lardman|home: you should be able to pass your objects from QML to c++ and vice versa via pointers |
| 17:04.35 | rcg | e.g. somewhere i use: Q_INVOKABLE Entry* get(int index) { return at(index); } in order to allow some QML code to get objects from my C++ classes |
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| 17:07.01 | rcg | analoguously you should be able to pass from QML to C++ |
| 17:07.27 | lardman|home | Yeah, that means I need to give the QML interface a way to pass a pointer to the C++ backing class though, which isn't very useful for most people |
| 17:08.07 | lardman|home | I'm wondering if it would be easier to just pull the QML code into the app, rather than having it separately packaged, etc |
| 17:08.09 | rcg | Entry in this case is a class I created and I added it via: qmlRegisterType<Entry>("meepasswords", 1, 0, "Entry"); |
| 17:08.38 | lardman|home | s/QML code/QML + C++ item code |
| 17:09.00 | rcg | lardman|home: what do you mean with "give the QML interface a way to pass a pointer to the C++ backing class"? |
| 17:09.20 | lardman|home | I've modified alterego |
| 17:09.23 | lardman|home | hmm |
| 17:09.31 | lardman|home | pressed enter too soon, hang on :) |
| 17:10.17 | lardman|home | modifed his declarative barcode reader, but I need to have the reader code (QML + C++) pass the rest of mBarcode an image of a scanned barcode. mBarcode is C++ with a QML layer ontop |
| 17:10.52 | lardman|home | so the question is how to get the image from the QML+C++ barcode reader code, which I'd hoped to leave external, into the mBarcode C++ code |
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| 17:12.47 | lardman|home | I can connect a signal from the barcode reader to an mBarcode slot and try to pass the QImage through QML I guess, but I'm just thinking that I'm adding features that aren't very useful for QML users, so perhaps I should just incorporate the code and then access it all through C++ |
| 17:17.46 | rcg | lardman|home: http://pastebin.com/p065yfyU |
| 17:18.00 | rcg | A and B are C++ classes inheriting from QObject |
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| 17:21.41 | Corsac | jonni: fwiw, your command line doesn't return anything |
| 17:21.58 | jonni | Corsac: which commandline? |
| 17:22.04 | Corsac | (apscli -s signon-private:Se -lu) |
| 17:24.30 | jonni | Corsac: ah that one, it only returns stuff if you have enough capabilities, so normal develsh users can forget that one. |
| 17:25.32 | jonni | normal users should just use ./flasher to fix their problems :) |
| 17:28.31 | Corsac | yeah but in my case even with devel-su+develsh |
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| 17:31.23 | jonni | Corsac: yep thats not enough |
| 17:33.35 | Corsac | oh, so what do I need? |
| 17:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | open mode |
| 17:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | or "open" mode |
| 17:38.53 | rcg | lardman|home: http://pastebin.com/VLYuiugY |
| 17:39.03 | rcg | this is a little bit more extended example |
| 17:39.34 | rcg | please note that i pasted the QML part first and afterwards (after closing the Rectangle) the C++ classes |
| 17:41.27 | npm_ | Anybody here understand how to extract the actual longitude/latitude associated w/ geotagged media (see http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/#Future ) for example |
| 17:42.31 | npm_ | tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?urn) ?addr ?lng WHERE { ?urn slo:location ?addr . ?addr slo:longitude ?lng . }' |
| 17:42.42 | lardman|home | rcg: thanks |
| 17:42.45 | npm_ | always returns an empty result set |
| 17:44.59 | phako | npm: http://developer.gnome.org/ontology/unstable/ might help |
| 17:45.02 | matrixx | tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?u) ?latitude ?longitude WHERE { ?u a nmm:Photo . ?u slo:location ?location . ?location slo:latitude ?latitude . ?location slo:longitude ?longitude . }' |
| 17:45.16 | matrixx | didn't try it out yet, but should be something like that |
| 17:45.29 | npm | phako: thanks. |
| 17:45.58 | npm | is there a specific "version" or listing of the ontologies enabled in harmattan? |
| 17:46.53 | npm | because i tried some other examples i googled and they didn't work, complain: Could not run query, Unknown property `http://www.tracker-project.org/temp/slo#GeoLocation' |
| 17:47.49 | phako | npm: the ontologies are in /usr/share/tracker/ontologies |
| 17:48.07 | npm | heh... i shoulda grepped :-) thanks! |
| 17:49.16 | nix-cyrus | After I made recover the sattelites and geolocation don't work for me :( |
| 17:53.47 | Corsac | jonni: ok so not something I can do myself :/. |
| 17:59.14 | jonni | Corsac: not atleast yet, since capability gaining instructions have not been published widely in the Internet yet. |
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| 18:09.39 | rcg | lardman|home: np.. hth |
| 18:10.16 | rcg | btw you do not need the copycontructor and neither need to overload the = operator |
| 18:10.37 | rcg | these are leftovers from another short example |
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| 18:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | ?u a nmm:Photo . ?u slo:location ?location . ?location slo:latitude ?latitude . ?location slo:longitude ?longitude . |
| 18:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | C'MON |
| 18:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | hurries bathroom, throwing up |
| 18:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | I *love* that spargel gibberish |
| 18:37.11 | matrixx | DocScrutinizer: didn't I suggest that one already ;) |
| 18:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | I just commented it |
| 18:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | not even your suggestion but spargel in general |
| 18:38.06 | matrixx | heh |
| 18:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen hexdumps of assembler that were epic compared to this mindboggling crap |
| 18:39.27 | matrixx | not so different from sql |
| 18:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | duh WHAT? |
| 18:39.58 | matrixx | :] |
| 18:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT THE HELLLLLLLLL |
| 18:40.51 | frals | its kinda like sql but someone raped it, threw up on it, took a dump on it and then sent it through a grinder |
| 18:42.01 | matrixx | :DD |
| 18:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | my N9 just started creating random touch events at rates of ~10/s |
| 18:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | spooky |
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| 18:44.07 | phako | ?u a nmm:Photo; slo:location [ slo:latitute ?lat; slo:longitude ?long ] |
| 18:44.09 | phako | btw |
| 18:44.39 | matrixx | yep, I didn't optimize mine :) |
| 18:45.03 | phako | or you could even use property functions if slo:location is single-valued |
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| 18:45.31 | matrixx | it is |
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| 18:49.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer - you have n9? |
| 18:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:50.48 | freemangordon | will you help me on that: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1122809&postcount=505 |
| 18:51.54 | freemangordon | background here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1122919&postcount=508 |
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| 18:56.57 | gabriel9 | i just checked, there is no yet update for denmark release of N) |
| 18:57.00 | phako | freemangordon: where is described that it's GPL? |
| 18:57.03 | gabriel9 | i just checked, there is no yet update for denmark release of N9 64bit |
| 18:57.12 | freemangordon | in binary |
| 18:57.14 | freemangordon | :D |
| 18:57.36 | freemangordon | an there is earlier version on gihub |
| 18:57.44 | freemangordon | github |
| 18:58.09 | freemangordon | https://github.com/felipec/gst-dsp |
| 18:58.24 | gabriel9 | n9 should play mp4 files |
| 18:58.36 | gabriel9 | but i found one which does not work |
| 18:59.01 | freemangordon | phako: it is LGPL more precisely |
| 18:59.51 | nix-cyrus | freemangordon: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1249710523 he said the same about lgpl |
| 19:00.41 | freemangordon | they are citating me. Or I am missing the point? |
| 19:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | hah, fish into N950 works nicely |
| 19:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: I wish I had any hope to help here, but asking Nokia to provide source of blobs is in vain and a waste of time and energy |
| 19:06.35 | freemangordon | but they are violatong LGPL, they MUST provide source gode on request |
| 19:06.41 | freemangordon | *code |
| 19:07.02 | DocScrutinizer | the devels would like to help but mustn't, the boss asks the lawyers, the lawyers say "lots of work", so boss asks "what will we earn with doing that?" and that's it |
| 19:07.16 | freemangordon | ok,ok |
| 19:07.44 | Piru | hmm wait, they refuse to give out source to lgplg components or the object files to link against? |
| 19:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you can prove they are violating GPL then they for sure will move, but I guess they don't |
| 19:07.50 | Piru | lgpl even |
| 19:08.19 | freemangordon | doc: Texas Instruments DSP elements0.9.0-6+0m6LGPLgst-dspnone |
| 19:08.26 | freemangordon | that is a part of binary |
| 19:08.31 | freemangordon | libgstdsp.so |
| 19:08.39 | Piru | so they should provide the object only |
| 19:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | gstreamer0.10-dsp-0.9.0-6+0m6 for sure contains proprietary DSP code of TI |
| 19:08.55 | freemangordon | no |
| 19:09.02 | Piru | lgpl isn't as anal as gpl |
| 19:09.05 | freemangordon | it is written by felipe contreras |
| 19:09.35 | freemangordon | Piru - the same rules apply to LGPL binaries as for GPL when you distribute them |
| 19:10.00 | Piru | sure but when you ask for src you're only required to provide the lgpl parts |
| 19:10.12 | freemangordon | yes, and that is what i am asking for |
| 19:10.17 | freemangordon | the lgpl part |
| 19:10.22 | freemangordon | source code for |
| 19:10.24 | Piru | if you provide .o for the other parts so you can link the resulting bin |
| 19:10.28 | Piru | okay |
| 19:10.37 | Piru | fair enough. so they didn't respond? |
| 19:10.50 | freemangordon | I don't own n9 nor n950 |
| 19:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 19:11.00 | freemangordon | I am not in position to ask |
| 19:11.01 | Piru | you don't need to |
| 19:11.09 | Piru | just get the binary and you're entitled to ask for the src |
| 19:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 19:11.29 | freemangordon | noone has distributed the binary to me in any form |
| 19:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | and it's LGPL? |
| 19:11.59 | freemangordon | 100% |
| 19:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, just ask |
| 19:12.17 | Piru | well if you get the LGPL binary by whatever means they MUST provide the src if you ask for it |
| 19:12.35 | Piru | and I'm fairly sure they do. the LGPL clauses are rather "flexible" about it |
| 19:12.49 | Piru | for instance it doesn't specify how fast they should respond |
| 19:13.07 | Piru | also they can choose to deliver via physical media if they choose to... |
| 19:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, they will move when there's really sth fishy |
| 19:13.32 | Piru | I saw the (L)GPL offer at least |
| 19:13.49 | Piru | in about |
| 19:13.54 | Piru | want the address? |
| 19:13.58 | freemangordon | sure |
| 19:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | they don't keep stuff closed "on purpose" or cause they are evil, it's just each disclosed line of coode needs review by lawyers and sometimes bosses say that's not needed |
| 19:14.55 | phako | agrees with DocScrutinizer |
| 19:14.59 | npm | matrixx / DocScrutinizer / phako : been bashing my head against the SPARQL thing and perhaps my problem is i'm not running an up to date harmattan (lazy, in middle of development, etc) |
| 19:15.05 | Piru | sourcecode.request@nokia.com |
| 19:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | as soon as there is some argument why this needs to be disclosed I am sure they will follow |
| 19:15.20 | phako | npm: not necessarily, SPARQL can have some odd matching problems |
| 19:15.22 | Piru | or written snail mail: |
| 19:15.27 | Piru | Source Code Request |
| 19:15.30 | npm | i think the problem might be that the query i try is failing for me, but maybe not for you? |
| 19:15.32 | Piru | Nokia Corporation |
| 19:15.40 | Piru | P.O.Box 226 |
| 19:15.41 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.45 | npm | always returns empty set |
| 19:15.49 | Piru | FI-00045 Nokia Group |
| 19:15.50 | npm | but i think i see why |
| 19:15.51 | Piru | Finland |
| 19:16.39 | freemangordon | doc: here http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/gst-dsp is source code for fremantle |
| 19:16.42 | npm | In /mnt/n950-user/usr/share/tracker/ontologies/32-nco.ontology : # FIXME Range geo:Point but we dont have that class |
| 19:16.54 | freemangordon | Piru: thanks |
| 19:17.04 | phako | npm: if you're struggling with tracker/SPARQL, upstream tracker people are in #tracker on irc.gimp.net |
| 19:17.06 | npm | does your /usr/share/tracker/ontologies define that? |
| 19:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: so it might even be a mishap that it went to nonfree |
| 19:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | just ask |
| 19:17.33 | npm | i'll try that next, but if someone could just run a query on their n9, it might answer things for me. |
| 19:17.39 | npm | (thanks!) |
| 19:17.52 | Chaz6 | I want PR1.1 already |
| 19:18.04 | freemangordon | doc: no, it is not even in nonfree |
| 19:18.37 | freemangordon | anyway, thanks |
| 19:18.46 | phako | nmm: Let me check |
| 19:19.17 | npm | phako's query also returns empty: tracker-sparql -q 'SELECT nie:url(?u) ?lat ?lng WHERE { ?u a nmm:Photo; slo:location [ slo:latitude ?lat; slo:longitude ?lng ] }' |
| 19:19.36 | phako | npm: does tracker-sparql -q 'select ?u slo:location(?u) { ?u a nmm:Photo }' return anything? |
| 19:20.01 | npm | it returns 99 lines of stuff :-) |
| 19:20.09 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.12 | phako | second column null always? |
| 19:20.13 | rcg | lardman|home: well, while i was at it i made some short write up of the example: http://ruedigergad.com/2011/11/13/exchange-data-and-objects-between-c-and-qml-and-vice-versa/#more-323 ;) |
| 19:20.15 | phako | no |
| 19:20.22 | npm | sometimes it is null |
| 19:20.23 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.26 | phako | npm: can you pastebin the output of tracker-info urn:uuid:72c2c257-8c48-61c3-e1c7-cf5326e0fccb |
| 19:20.51 | npm | (thanks for teaching me about how to use tracker!) |
| 19:21.00 | phako | doesn't have geotagged photos available currently |
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| 19:21.43 | npm | http://pastebin.com/JXdyBrET |
| 19:21.55 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 19:22.35 | npm | phako: that corresponds to what i've been seeeing.. only 'slo:postalAddress'' is in there |
| 19:22.42 | phako | yeah |
| 19:22.47 | npm | and that doesn't have the original GPS location in it |
| 19:23.21 | npm | is that normal? how are you supposed to plot stuff on a map (see http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/#Future ) w/o exact lat/lng |
| 19:23.54 | npm | i was wondering, however, if that information is missing because i need additional aegis permissions to get the exact location?? |
| 19:24.17 | phako | npm: no, it's either tracker access or no tracker access, not more detailed |
| 19:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: btw that's not 'my' N9, so I'm probably one of the less qualified candidates for your purpose, though you don't need any such support anyway |
| 19:26.29 | npm | yeah i tried adding aegis-exec -a TrackerReadAccess and it didn't change anything |
| 19:26.45 | DocScrutinizer | aahm and btw doc: dosn't highlight here ;-) |
| 19:26.50 | npm | the reason why i went the qsparql route is because i saw bugs in document gallery preventing this. |
| 19:27.07 | npm | i bet document gallery uses qsparql and hits the same bug |
| 19:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | joerg: does |
| 19:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | and docsrc: does |
| 19:27.33 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but your nick is too complicated for me to write it :p |
| 19:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | err docscr: |
| 19:27.41 | freemangordon | ok, joerg will do the job |
| 19:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | fine with me |
| 19:28.37 | npm | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1580 Obtaining Location information (latitude/longitude/etc) of a Photo (image) using Document Gallery APIs |
| 19:28.41 | npm | ^^^ specifically |
| 19:29.23 | npm | i guess i'll work on http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/#Future later ... that's what the future's for |
| 19:29.39 | phako | npm: there's two levels of location API |
| 19:29.42 | phako | btw |
| 19:29.48 | phako | on the device |
| 19:30.21 | jesuschrist | i like turtles |
| 19:30.26 | npm | (i should take some photos "offline" and see what it writes into the media) |
| 19:30.48 | npm | seems like it reverse-geos it and that's it. |
| 19:31.15 | npm | is there an option to change this? |
| 19:31.26 | phako | in the camera |
| 19:31.37 | phako | there's GPS /geotags |
| 19:32.04 | phako | you're also asked for it if you start camera for the first time |
| 19:32.31 | npm | so turn off geotags and then the lat/lng gets written? |
| 19:32.43 | phako | would suspect that, I haven't tested it |
| 19:33.34 | Sazpaimon_ | woah |
| 19:33.48 | Sazpaimon_ | i just noticed this aegis-dev-mode package |
| 19:33.54 | Sazpaimon_ | is that a pr1.1 package? |
| 19:33.58 | Sazpaimon_ | i never noticed it before |
| 19:34.13 | jesuschrist | im still waiting for 1.1 :( |
| 19:35.26 | Sazpaimon_ | jesuschrist, i used the generic 16G black firmware on my country variant australia device |
| 19:35.30 | Sazpaimon_ | worked just fine |
| 19:35.39 | jesuschrist | i dont want to flash my device |
| 19:36.16 | jesuschrist | actually i wanted to place a screen protector on it, but ive failed, air bubbles :( |
| 19:36.39 | Sazpaimon_ | why not flash? |
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| 19:36.54 | ieatlint | waiting for 1.1... but the n9 has 40-4/pr1.1 already? |
| 19:36.55 | Sazpaimon_ | just make a backup and restore it after flashing, you wont lose anything |
| 19:37.06 | jesuschrist | what did you use to flash saz ? |
| 19:37.17 | Sazpaimon_ | flasher |
| 19:37.21 | Sazpaimon_ | from nokia |
| 19:37.26 | jesuschrist | plus there are a lot of images, what is the right one ? |
| 19:38.46 | jesuschrist | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1111/0811/6514769295/67C18E5C_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_009-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 19:38.48 | jesuschrist | ? |
| 19:42.41 | npm | phako: so i turned off "geotags" and even though 'gps' was on, it simply stopped writing slo.location at all |
| 19:42.52 | phako | npm: oh, great |
| 19:43.00 | npm | turned it back on and 'slo:postalAddress' = 'urn:uuid:97709968-c4d4-b058-ac32-bcc113736d56' is all it wrote |
| 19:43.21 | npm | but perhaps others have more up to date softares? |
| 19:43.30 | Sazpaimon_ | jesuschrist, maybe you should wait then |
| 19:43.49 | Sazpaimon_ | im not gonna reccomend to someone who doesnt know what theyre doing to flash firmware of a different product code |
| 19:44.53 | jesuschrist | i think so too sazp |
| 19:44.59 | jesuschrist | where did you get and how |
| 19:45.02 | jesuschrist | the image anyway |
| 19:45.08 | npm | maybe jesus' n9 doesn't brick and resurrects after 3 days? |
| 19:45.52 | jesuschrist | not funny |
| 19:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Sure it is. |
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| 19:49.17 | jesuschrist | :( |
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| 19:51.09 | jesuschrist | i wish Elop gonna discontinue you SpeedEvil |
| 19:53.41 | ieatlint | as an american, all i can say about elop is: you're welcome |
| 19:53.48 | ieatlint | plus some maniacal laughter |
| 19:54.33 | jesuschrist | anyway america is the continent, you are a usarian |
| 19:55.14 | ieatlint | nah, the noun is american |
| 19:56.11 | jesuschrist | cant see why canadians should be less american than you |
| 19:56.18 | ieatlint | although when i travel, i say californian, and hope people don't judge me quite as much |
| 19:56.37 | ieatlint | canadians are americans, just more polite and in denial |
| 19:58.30 | jesuschrist | mexicans are too |
| 19:58.54 | ieatlint | nope |
| 19:58.59 | ieatlint | they're north americans, sure |
| 19:59.20 | jesuschrist | thought we were talking about americans |
| 19:59.53 | ieatlint | if you're going to sit there and whine about how an english word doesn't make sense, you're going to be there a long time |
| 19:59.59 | ieatlint | there's a long list of words to go through |
| 20:00.27 | ieatlint | for instance, to me, "french" isn't a nationality or a language, but rather a style of cutting things |
| 20:03.55 | jesuschrist | heh |
| 20:04.12 | jesuschrist | anyway its theatre, not theater !!! |
| 20:05.55 | jesuschrist | hi gri |
| 20:06.15 | gri | morning |
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| 20:14.52 | Sput | jesuschrist: note that I've flashed my N9 with a similar image, and it refused to work properly afterwards until I also flashed eMMC content, which may or may not be publicly available somewhere |
| 20:15.19 | Sput | so I'd wait for something official if I were you |
| 20:15.50 | nid0 | fwiw I flashed mine from aus to northern europ with no problems without needing to do emmc |
| 20:16.05 | jesuschrist | i dont want to risk |
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| 20:23.31 | Sput | nid0: did you erase the user data? |
| 20:23.48 | nid0 | no |
| 20:24.07 | Sput | because as long as I didn't do that, things worked fine with the new image... but I couldn't reinstall apps from the store, so I erased the phone, and couldn't work with it afterwords until I also found eMMC content |
| 20:24.14 | Sput | *afterwards |
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| 20:32.47 | gabriel9 | jesus christ |
| 20:32.52 | gabriel9 | christ is here |
| 20:32.53 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 20:33.02 | jesuschrist | confess your sins |
| 20:34.33 | jesuschrist | im going good night |
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| 20:35.52 | gabriel9 | flash or not to flash my device= |
| 20:36.08 | gabriel9 | touch me good man |
| 20:36.12 | gabriel9 | i am a sinner |
| 20:36.59 | gabriel9 | how to know when updates will come for my device, From denmark 64GB Black |
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| 20:47.29 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: NSU = flash? |
| 20:47.51 | gabriel9 | yes |
| 20:49.22 | gabriel9 | i think so |
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| 20:57.35 | BluesLee | hi, is there a setting that the event screen shows my next appointments from the calendar app? |
| 20:58.53 | BluesLee | alternatively, can i add a local rss feed on the n9 which shows me some personal informations? |
| 21:00.34 | gabriel9 | sorry i did not try any of that features |
| 21:02.17 | BluesLee | i will try it |
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| 21:04.20 | ZogG | gabriel9 just f# wait or try again with nokia suite |
| 21:07.20 | gabriel9 | sorry this is first time i have phone which i like |
| 21:07.21 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 21:09.08 | Venemo | BluesLee, yes there is an RSS app. in the feed settings, you can have the feed show up among the events view too. |
| 21:20.03 | BluesLee | Venomo: I know that, i checked now that the default rss reader understands the "file" protocol, i used a simple rss xml with one entry (html), i am waiting that the event screen does the update |
| 21:21.54 | BluesLee | if this works it should be possible to read the next appointments from the calendar db (i hope there is one) and display them in the event screen, todos or notes could also be displayed |
| 21:30.09 | BluesLee | works perfect :-) |
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| 22:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: mhm, looking over the fence sometimes helps decide what's cruft and what's the good stuff: http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N900.html?productType=RX-51&releaseID=4408311844&version=20.2010.36.2&variantID=4408316229 |
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| 23:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | it also seems the eMMC VANILLA image isn't known on that level of support |
| 23:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway visit http://nds.nokia.com/ and frown about the link ICP 05048969 there X-P |
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