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| 04:33.16 | meegomy | hello |
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| 06:35.38 | rantom | jesuschrist: It's not available in all countries. Where do you live? For example in UK there's an importer called Expansys |
| 06:36.03 | rantom | s/Expansys/Expansys that can provide it |
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| 08:05.12 | faenil | quiet place :) |
| 08:08.46 | rantom | Yep |
| 08:09.03 | rantom | Though it's Saturday and 11 AM in here so.. |
| 08:13.00 | faenil | yep :) 10 am here ^^ |
| 08:15.47 | lardman | 9.15 here, beat you all ;) |
| 08:16.16 | lardman | well not all, I'm sure there will be some antipodeans lurking somewhere :) |
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| 08:17.01 | faenil | eheheh |
| 08:17.38 | ieatlint | 1am here... i win |
| 08:17.41 | dfaure | Any idea why ssh root@localhost would fail (passwd "rootme" refused) (on up-to-date n950 with developer-mode installed), but devel-su accepts "rootme" as passwd? |
| 08:17.51 | ieatlint | few timezones can beat me |
| 08:18.15 | ieatlint | dfaure: root login via ssh is disabled in new image |
| 08:18.23 | ieatlint | hence, root@localhost is no longer allowed |
| 08:18.31 | dfaure | reall? sshd_config says PermitRootLogin yes |
| 08:18.53 | ieatlint | yeah, take a look at /etcinit.d/ssh |
| 08:19.38 | ieatlint | err, make that /etc/init/ssh.conf |
| 08:20.04 | dfaure | hah why have config files when you can overwrite them with cmdline args :-) |
| 08:20.16 | dfaure | ok how should I ssh into the device then? I don't know the pass for 'user' |
| 08:20.31 | ieatlint | via developer |
| 08:20.40 | ieatlint | the sdk connect tool will give you a password |
| 08:20.59 | dm8tbr | ieatlint: I use UTC and reject this timezone futility ;) |
| 08:21.20 | ieatlint | well it's a bit dark for 8:20am |
| 08:25.59 | rantom | Does someone know where the localizable .ts files are located? |
| 08:26.18 | rantom | I'm not too happy with the Finnish localization |
| 08:28.41 | dfaure | ieatlint: many thanks! |
| 08:29.00 | dfaure | adjusts the wiki |
| 08:31.02 | ieatlint | glad you got it working |
| 08:32.19 | dfaure | the only weird thing that happened is that on my laptop, usb0 got the same ip as wlan0, thus confusing everything ;) |
| 08:32.39 | dfaure | I had to adjust ips and routes by hand, to put usb0 on the same network as the ip given by the sdk connect tool |
| 08:33.24 | dfaure | (laptop wlan0 was on 192.168.0.2, sdk connect tool said 192.168.2.15, but usb0 on laptop got assigned 192.168.0.2, had to set it to 192.168.2.1 and restore wlan0 routing) |
| 08:34.16 | ieatlint | hmmm.... i may reference 128e62003dc0bbd4c8fa6d5132df5cfb later, so let's see it go into a log |
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| 08:38.57 | lardman | wonders if he should list his shopping for later reference... ;) |
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| 08:44.30 | dm8tbr | could list a few passwords for further reference: Uiyee9Oo an5ieriF Eem3raen ia1Aicae |
| 08:46.25 | ieatlint | :P |
| 08:46.32 | ieatlint | let's just say it'll be relevant? |
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| 09:54.09 | M4rtinK | looks like QmlComponentGallery is a bit broken after PR1.1 |
| 09:55.24 | M4rtinK | some examples don't work with a " "Qt.labs.components" is not installed" error being printed to the console |
| 09:56.17 | M4rtinK | and apt-cache search lab/labs doesn't return anything usable :) |
| 10:03.17 | mzanetti | hmm... after searching the webs for an hour I still can't find the firmware images for the N9 |
| 10:03.51 | mzanetti | only the beta releases for the N950 and some strange symbian tool wor windows which claims to be able to download N9 firmwares but doesn't run in wine |
| 10:03.56 | mzanetti | any hints? |
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| 10:14.34 | M4rtinK | nice, the gallery works on PC due to older QtComponents version :) |
| 10:15.01 | M4rtinK | looks like it is explicitly looking for 1.0 while there is only 1.1 on the N950 |
| 10:16.14 | hiemanshu | maybe |
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| 10:21.59 | mzanetti | noone here who knows where to get images for the N9? |
| 10:22.11 | matrixx | hey, do I need any aegis stuff to edit gconf? |
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| 10:40.53 | dm8tbr | mzanetti: seems to be so, let's hope they surface soon |
| 10:41.14 | dm8tbr | or does that nokia desktop software support that maybe? |
| 10:41.34 | mzanetti | hmm... could be... don't have a windows... |
| 10:42.42 | mzanetti | bad thing is that there seems to be a bug which prevents the N9 from logging into the Nokia account |
| 10:43.05 | mzanetti | in the bug tracker everyone says that reflashing fixed it |
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| 11:32.34 | rantom | iekku: Hi. Didn't you help to troubleshoot the Nokia-account bug in N9? |
| 11:37.25 | jabis | mzanetti: after you have network connections in order, getting thru to the Nokia account is just dependant on the load of the servers - or so it seemed to me (skipped the initial query for account because had no internet connection present) :) |
| 11:39.10 | jabis | I've retail N9, not 950, and no reflashing was needed (I don't even have a firmware to begin with to reflash x) |
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| 11:56.53 | alterego | Would quite like to see carman on Harmattan |
| 11:57.10 | alterego | Just got an OBD interface |
| 12:00.16 | Stskeeps | morn alterego |
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| 12:36.51 | dm8tbr | alterego: just saw some obd tool in the ovi store today |
| 12:53.24 | nibbler | does anyone else miss the battery/time/notifications-bar in main screen with PR1.1? |
| 12:55.12 | rantom | What do you mean? |
| 12:55.24 | rantom | I can still see those and I'm running pr 1.1 |
| 12:57.05 | nibbler | i just have the app icons, no bar above them. spacing though and once i touch it the profile/volume/etc menu drops down and the bar is visible only to disappear once i exit that menu. |
| 12:57.18 | rantom | odd |
| 12:57.30 | rantom | I've seen that to happen in CE but not in Harmattan |
| 12:58.14 | nibbler | maybe i should sync everything and wipe the device. perhaps that also gets rid of the camera problem. |
| 12:58.22 | rantom | nibbler: If you're trying to troubleshoot that behavior what ever you do DON'T re-flash to beta2 |
| 12:58.33 | rantom | You'll end up with a brick |
| 12:58.45 | nibbler | i won't. thanks for the hint. |
| 12:59.35 | rantom | Np. You're aware of the infamous bug of pr 1.1? |
| 13:00.19 | rantom | (the "can't recover to pr 1.1 if re-flashing the system to beta2", which I think covers the beta1 too) |
| 13:00.31 | nibbler | i read it scrolling by here. |
| 13:00.40 | rantom | Ah, ok, good |
| 13:00.59 | nibbler | would have investigated before attempting a flash :-) as usual. |
| 13:01.07 | rantom | :) |
| 13:01.17 | nibbler | can't be too careful, and most likely other people were faster and more daring than me :-P |
| 13:01.59 | rantom | I for one will be more cautious with future firmware-updates from Nokia |
| 13:02.14 | rantom | If there's no flasher available when it comes I might have to hold back until one comes |
| 13:02.32 | rantom | I'd like to try CE again but since the pr 1.1 bug is present I'd rather not risk it |
| 13:02.50 | rantom | I've yet to try CE in N950 properly.. |
| 13:02.59 | nibbler | it reminds me of my first communicator (the 9110) - where i had to chose from a list of bugs and features from the release notes and such to pick the right firmware |
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| 13:22.31 | deimos | rantom: is there a way to unbrick n950 ? :( |
| 13:23.14 | rantom | deimos: no, I think not |
| 13:23.22 | dm8tbr | deimos: tried to OCF beta2 a PR1.1 n950? yes, the way is 'wait for OCF pr1.1' |
| 13:24.05 | deimos | I tried to modify sshd.conf but got a 0 sized file, so I reinstalled it. It restarded automatically and on started aegis told I should go to nokia center :\ |
| 13:24.35 | dm8tbr | ah you MALFED |
| 13:24.45 | dm8tbr | what version were you running? |
| 13:25.06 | deimos | the latest update, then I tried to reflash to beta2 |
| 13:25.25 | dm8tbr | yes, well, then as i said: 13:23:22< dm8tbr> deimos: tried to OCF beta2 a PR1.1 n950? yes, the way is 'wait for OCF pr1.1' |
| 13:25.27 | deimos | didnt know this :( |
| 13:26.48 | deimos | mmmh, I have decompressed the 34-2 and trying to run flasher with some random params |
| 13:27.53 | dm8tbr | if that makes you feel better. but be warned, if you use some of the more advanced parameters without understanding what you do your device will reach a state where only Nokia can fix it. |
| 13:28.25 | deimos | ok, I'll wait |
| 13:28.27 | deimos | :) |
| 13:29.22 | Kaadlajk | guess the firmware downgrade does not work without RD certificate, so if you had 39-5 you cant install 34-2 |
| 13:29.31 | dm8tbr | indeed |
| 13:29.55 | rantom | Should there be a mention of the current issue considering downgrading in the /topic? |
| 13:30.02 | rantom | Since it's asked quite frequently |
| 13:30.19 | dm8tbr | mhm let's see if I can find some space in the topic :) |
| 13:30.27 | rantom | Yeah, quite full :P |
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| 13:34.36 | *** topic/#harmattan by dm8tbr -> A place for harmattan device and development discussions | If on N950+PR1.1 DO NOT USE BETA2 OCF! WAIT for new OCF! | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | UPGRADES: http://bit.ly/rffn73 |
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| 13:35.48 | rantom | dm8tbr: Better |
| 13:36.49 | deimos | n950 is very nice as ornament under the flowers vase :) |
| 13:37.06 | rantom | :D |
| 13:37.09 | Kaadlajk | javispedro: hello, your sowatch worked on N9 |
| 13:37.22 | Kaadlajk | javispedro: responded to the forum thread also |
| 13:37.24 | javispedro | Kaadlajk: ah, thanks |
| 13:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro |
| 13:37.41 | javispedro | moo |
| 13:38.14 | dm8tbr | mmmooooooo |
| 13:39.16 | dm8tbr | javispedro: what do I need as minimum dev-env for sowatch? |
| 13:39.44 | javispedro | dm8tbr: I use qt creator, albeit there are a few problems |
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| 13:40.08 | javispedro | namely, a small chicken and egg problem, so you need to mad-admin xdpkg -i a previous version of the package before building a new one, |
| 13:40.30 | dm8tbr | mhm, would it build on OBS? O:-) |
| 13:40.33 | javispedro | and qmafw -dev packages were removed since beta2, so you need to install them from the SDK |
| 13:40.48 | javispedro | "it should" |
| 13:40.57 | Kaadlajk | I compiled it with scratchbox, did not compile without little tweaks |
| 13:40.59 | javispedro | I need to separate it in several smaller packages |
| 13:41.14 | Lilltiger | the chicken vs egg is not an issue at all, even dinosaures laid egg's so clearly the egg came before the chicken |
| 13:41.22 | rayyen | javispedro, "should" the kernel image you posted on meego work on N9? or is it a huge difference between n9/n950? |
| 13:41.27 | dm8tbr | I'm interested to try for the LiveView but my main problem is lack of time |
| 13:42.01 | javispedro | rayyen: I don't know, compare the version string |
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| 13:42.24 | javispedro | dm8tbr: main problem for me too =) |
| 13:42.52 | dm8tbr | so I'm hoping that once I get at least a dev env up I'll be able to look at that from time to time |
| 13:43.03 | javispedro | (a moment) |
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| 13:43.41 | dm8tbr | I guess I'll give QtCreator and mad another try |
| 13:44.28 | Sazpaimon_ | you guys see engadget's N9 review? |
| 13:44.50 | Sazpaimon_ | I think the last sentance sums it up well |
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| 13:46.45 | rantom | Sazpaimon_: Thanks for the heads up, I was wondering when they'd review it |
| 13:46.53 | javispedro | and it is overly positive |
| 13:46.57 | rantom | grabs coffee and reads it -> |
| 13:47.06 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah its a great review |
| 13:47.22 | rantom | Well better than Gizmodo would have, I think |
| 13:47.29 | rantom | "it's not iPhone!!111" :P |
| 13:47.30 | Sazpaimon_ | the reviewer had to mention that the OS is DOA |
| 13:47.45 | Sazpaimon_ | 3 times in fact |
| 13:48.00 | djszapi | if it is positive, the assessment did not happen according to this channel. :P |
| 13:48.03 | Sazpaimon_ | but it seemed out of frustration more than anything |
| 13:49.55 | dm8tbr | them mentioning 'meego' all the time makes it funny, because essentially maemo just outlived meego ;) |
| 13:50.10 | berndhs | maybe Nokia will just slash prices, say its a feature phone, and sell a billion of them :) |
| 13:50.23 | Sazpaimon_ | the OS IS meego |
| 13:50.36 | Sazpaimon_ | meego 1.2 harmattan |
| 13:50.43 | berndhs | maemo6 |
| 13:50.49 | rantom | Maemo6 |
| 13:51.00 | Sazpaimon_ | which is basically a long name for maemo (6 yeah |
| 13:51.36 | Sazpaimon_ | but nokia said long ago that harmattan would be maemi based primarily |
| 13:51.54 | Sazpaimon_ | *maemo |
| 13:51.55 | javispedro | dm8tbr: ifood for thought :) |
| 13:52.03 | javispedro | oops, s/i// |
| 13:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | iFood |
| 13:53.05 | rantom | iFood? Also known as Apple? |
| 13:53.06 | rantom | :P |
| 13:53.55 | djszapi | does not really matter maemo or meego, since both are died company-wise anyways :) |
| 13:55.00 | berndhs | is it the right time to start the deb-vs-rpm argument on meltemi ? |
| 13:55.08 | Stskeeps | oh dear god |
| 13:55.23 | javispedro | I vote for ebuilds. |
| 13:55.42 | djszapi | packages for the weaks :p |
| 13:55.50 | Stskeeps | chances are anyway, that if meltemi is real, it's really not going to be particular interesting for most of us here, if the rumours are true about s40 type devices |
| 13:55.57 | Stskeeps | ie, probably ultra properitary |
| 13:56.00 | dm8tbr | still votes for 'ipk' ;-p |
| 13:56.07 | dm8tbr | aka 'the popular front' |
| 13:56.11 | djszapi | Stskeeps: feature phones are getting very smart, too. |
| 13:56.31 | Stskeeps | djszapi: yes, but along with differentiation comes closed source :( |
| 13:56.43 | djszapi | I do not dislike closed source on belief. |
| 13:57.01 | Stskeeps | i don't either, but it's not open source lover heaven for sure |
| 13:57.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:57.20 | djszapi | =p |
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| 13:58.16 | berndhs | could also be open source but with no way to customize, all you can do is OTA flash of new version |
| 13:58.34 | djszapi | too early to speculate.. |
| 13:58.40 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:58.47 | Stskeeps | meanwhile, Mer seems interesting ;p |
| 13:58.54 | berndhs | nah, its a great time to speculate, before we know anything :) |
| 13:59.08 | djszapi | dream a platform then, like N10 did back then :p |
| 13:59.19 | Stskeeps | N10? |
| 13:59.32 | djszapi | didn't you see that site ? :) |
| 13:59.34 | Stskeeps | no |
| 13:59.42 | javispedro | N-X, the Merminatrix. |
| 13:59.54 | faenil | lol+ |
| 14:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 14:00.35 | Stskeeps | djszapi: url? |
| 14:00.38 | djszapi | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/10/my-dream-nokia-29-nokia-n10-triple-boot-android-meego-harmattan-windows-phone-mango-concept/ |
| 14:00.41 | Stskeeps | ah.. |
| 14:00.41 | djszapi | sure ^ :) |
| 14:00.53 | djszapi | I first saw the chinese version: http://news.imobile.com.cn/article-a-view-id-94212.html |
| 14:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | OTA flash of new version, AKA *brick* X-P |
| 14:05.31 | rantom | Wtf |
| 14:05.42 | rantom | Where did Engadget get a white N950? |
| 14:06.03 | dm8tbr | hm? |
| 14:06.18 | rantom | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ I'd say 10:30 in the video |
| 14:06.34 | Stskeeps | rantom: bribery? |
| 14:06.45 | rantom | Possibly |
| 14:07.05 | rantom | Just a bit suprised since I didn't know those existed |
| 14:07.36 | Kaadlajk | that is silver not white |
| 14:08.04 | rantom | Oh |
| 14:08.15 | rantom | So it's the very early one, that makes sense.. |
| 14:08.22 | Kaadlajk | same as on the leaked photos months ago |
| 14:08.26 | dm8tbr | rantom: that's not silver, that's the early protos |
| 14:08.38 | dm8tbr | rantom: they leaked last year already |
| 14:08.54 | rantom | dm8tbr: Ok, so that's old news |
| 14:09.35 | dm8tbr | lol, clearly a proto for two more reasons I'm not going to go into ;) (me has seen those in RL at a meego meetup) |
| 14:09.46 | Sazpaimon_ | how did engadget get an n950 in the first place |
| 14:09.51 | Sazpaimon_ | they arent developers |
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| 14:10.10 | dang_ | hello |
| 14:10.19 | dm8tbr | Sazpaimon_: maybe because they asked kindly? :) |
| 14:10.35 | Sazpaimon_ | didn't work for me |
| 14:10.38 | dang_ | i have two questions. is there a proper non gtalk jabber/xmpp client for the n9/n950? the second is, are there no community repositories for harmattan as for the n900/maemo5? |
| 14:10.49 | dm8tbr | Sazpaimon_: do you have as many readers as they do? ;) |
| 14:11.15 | dm8tbr | dang_: look for the mc-tool hack in the channel logs |
| 14:11.25 | Sazpaimon_ | no but I'm Sazpaimon |
| 14:11.33 | Sazpaimon_ | that should be enough |
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| 14:11.39 | dm8tbr | right, how could they ignore that |
| 14:11.49 | dang_ | dm8tbr: where can i find the logs? |
| 14:12.05 | dm8tbr | dang_: try looking at the topic? |
| 14:12.21 | rantom | Sazpaimon_: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/ probably bought that one, IDK |
| 14:12.26 | rantom | Engadget that is |
| 14:12.32 | Sazpaimon_ | I actually signed up to be an actual nokia developer for an N950 through the company I work for |
| 14:12.33 | dang_ | dm8tbr: thx. the topic is longer than the width of my window so i didnt see that part ;) |
| 14:12.47 | Sazpaimon_ | they never replied to me |
| 14:12.59 | Sazpaimon_ | and they ran out of N950s shortly after |
| 14:14.16 | dm8tbr | that's unfortunate :( |
| 14:15.58 | dang_ | did anyone else notice that after the n9/n950 is in a wireless for a while, it becomes unresponsive over network? (ping not working anymore, ssh also not reachable) until you relogin to the wlan? |
| 14:17.31 | Stskeeps | dang_: look into wifi PSM |
| 14:17.47 | dang_ | excuse me but what is PSM? |
| 14:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | power savings mode |
| 14:18.19 | dang_ | thanks |
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| 14:20.50 | javispedro | when nothing in the documentation makes sense, it's time to drill into the source. |
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| 15:00.50 | gri | faenil: packed your things? :) |
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| 16:05.22 | mzanetti | jabis: Thanks for your hint. I've been away... Anyways, the network connection works fine. So the only possibility is the load on the server. |
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| 16:06.26 | mzanetti | there are however, quite a lot complaints on the net about this issue and people reported that it started to work after reflashing. |
| 16:06.54 | mzanetti | otoh, some say that is worked after a few reflashes which would speak for the server load thing... |
| 16:07.04 | mzanetti | We'll keep on trying. |
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| 16:16.26 | faenil | gri: yup :D |
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| 16:20.35 | gri | faenil: why are you still here? |
| 16:23.44 | faenil | gri: train in 1 hour ;) |
| 16:26.54 | gri | ah, damn I thought 18:30 |
| 16:27.02 | gri | it was late yesterday to remember the times :) |
| 16:29.51 | faenil | xD |
| 16:29.58 | faenil | I'm arriving at 06:30 :) |
| 16:30.54 | faenil | leaving :D bye bye |
| 16:30.59 | faenil | cya in Munich people! :) |
| 16:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 16:39.57 | gri | docScrutinizer: you don't come to muc? |
| 16:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no |
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| 16:51.50 | rafael2k | hi there people |
| 16:52.24 | rafael2k | I found the harmattan-dev repo!! |
| 16:52.46 | rafael2k | but its stuck on beta2, so it break apt completally |
| 16:53.02 | rafael2k | still no local compiling.. |
| 16:53.06 | rafael2k | :/ |
| 16:54.07 | rafael2k | have to wait, right? any workaround? |
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| 17:14.24 | RST38h | moo, gentlemen |
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| 18:00.16 | jabis | mzanetti: yeh - but I didn't have an fw to flash against - I just kept on pinging 'til I got thru and it worked like a charm :) |
| 18:01.51 | jabis | mzanetti: also if I'd reflashed, I bet it would've voided my warranty as we have a b2b supplier for our ict comms |
| 18:15.55 | SpeedEvil | surfaces from GOF2. |
| 18:16.05 | SpeedEvil | can get addicted. |
| 18:16.27 | SpeedEvil | I think I played about 12 hours straight from 9PM. |
| 18:16.38 | SpeedEvil | This has - somewhat screwed my sleep pattern even further. |
| 18:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | GOF2? |
| 18:17.44 | mgedmin | Galaxy on Fire II |
| 18:17.55 | mgedmin | one of the N9/N950 games |
| 18:18.04 | mgedmin | a clone of the good old Elite |
| 18:18.13 | mgedmin | extremely addictive |
| 18:18.25 | SpeedEvil | In some ways not a good clone. |
| 18:18.36 | SpeedEvil | I hate 'one speed'. |
| 18:19.01 | mgedmin | yeah |
| 18:19.13 | mgedmin | s/clone/inspired by/ |
| 18:19.18 | mgedmin | or /similar to/ |
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| 18:21.40 | rafael2k | what OCF means? |
| 18:22.22 | rafael2k | have anyone compiled irsii or bitchx? |
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| 18:22.43 | djszapi | hi, any arch users here ? |
| 18:22.54 | rafael2k | I'm without an irc client on harmattan |
| 18:23.07 | djszapi | rafael2k: you can always use irc-chatter |
| 18:23.13 | djszapi | for arch users: http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3342/1318712417081.png |
| 18:24.27 | petteri | ovi store has irssi |
| 18:24.58 | djszapi | sure, if you prefer that, use that .. |
| 18:25.17 | rafael2k | great, let me check ovi |
| 18:26.16 | rafael2k | could not find irsii |
| 18:26.29 | djszapi | rafael2k: do you prefer ui or really cli, like irssi ? |
| 18:26.32 | rafael2k | I'm on pr1.1 |
| 18:27.01 | rafael2k | I use xchat in my N900 and BitchX on desktop |
| 18:27.20 | djszapi | rafael2k: I would try irc-chatter then |
| 18:27.25 | petteri | it is there: http://store.ovi.com/content/212247 |
| 18:27.35 | djszapi | way handier on the bug than irssi |
| 18:27.39 | djszapi | bus* |
| 18:27.39 | mzanetti | jabis: Unbelievable... we have now reflashed it and nokia account started working |
| 18:28.17 | rafael2k | Ill try both, thanks!! |
| 18:29.01 | rafael2k | how about something like pidgin |
| 18:29.17 | rafael2k | msn and jabber I use |
| 18:29.58 | rafael2k | with this I'll change my 3g chip : ) |
| 18:30.10 | jykae | rafael2k: talking like yoda you are |
| 18:30.50 | rafael2k | jykae: cheering up the arrival of my N950! |
| 18:32.00 | jykae | happy surprise after update and enabling landscape once again: redraw has been fixed |
| 18:32.42 | Frye | Say I want to install external .deb like syncevolution to my N9, is it doable without going to development mode? |
| 18:32.55 | Frye | I'm all new with N9 |
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| 18:35.30 | mgedmin | Frye, there's a setting "allow installations from external sources" or something like that |
| 18:35.42 | mgedmin | it's separate from developer mode |
| 18:36.04 | mgedmin | (although it might be hidden if you turn developer mode off -- I haven't actually checked) |
| 18:36.32 | Frye | Oh, that's enough. |
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| 18:37.14 | Frye | I used to set my N900 to RD mode always so I had very little faith in that setting when I saw that. I was trying to figure out all the dirty details form the start ;-) |
| 18:37.25 | Frye | I'll give it a shot |
| 18:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: WHAT? Elite clone? on N950? DAMN, now I dunno how I can avoid updating |
| 18:37.55 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, try devel-su -c "apt-get install gof2" |
| 18:38.16 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install gof2 |
| 18:38.17 | SpeedEvil | works |
| 18:38.19 | mgedmin | I think someone mentioned it was possible to install it on Beta 2, without upgrading to the latest fw |
| 18:38.40 | RST38h | GoF is unfortunately no Elite clone =( |
| 18:38.46 | dm8tbr | gof2 is neat, but too easy |
| 18:39.00 | mgedmin | yeah, I remember my attempts to dock in Elite... |
| 18:39.02 | RST38h | Moo, mgedmin, Doc, seen Engadget salivating over N9? |
| 18:39.13 | RST38h | mgedmin: the answer is to buy a docking computer =) |
| 18:39.20 | dm8tbr | only in hardcore mode it starts to be a challenge |
| 18:39.38 | mgedmin | docking computer was the first thing I used to buy, until I finally got the knack |
| 18:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | docking was easy when you knew the "trick": just don't fly in the bay too slow, and adapt your own rotation on in very last moment |
| 18:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | fo sure not elegant, but always worked |
| 18:46.38 | RST38h | yeah that is how you did it |
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| 18:47.04 | RST38h | wonders why the latest N950 update does not include skype |
| 18:47.15 | macmaN | wonders with RST38h |
| 18:47.23 | macmaN | lotus position |
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| 18:55.06 | RST38h | file:///opt/fmsx/Config.qml:2:1: module "Qt.labs.components" is not installed |
| 18:55.13 | RST38h | Ahhahaha |
| 18:55.19 | RST38h | So, what is it called nowadays? |
| 18:55.56 | MohammadAG | RST38h: com.buildurown.toolkit |
| 18:56.21 | RST38h | it is 1.1 now, I see |
| 18:56.34 | RST38h | so, am I supposed to rebuild everythingevery time they update firmware? |
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| 18:57.11 | special | RST38h: "Qt.labs." is experimental by definition |
| 18:57.11 | MohammadAG | Including your house yes |
| 18:57.35 | special | (are you sure that's what you want to use here?) |
| 18:57.39 | RST38h | the whole thing feels highly experimental |
| 18:58.03 | MohammadAG | special: I'm pretty sure the qml gallery example uses that line |
| 18:58.08 | RST38h | lemme reboot into Linux and see what can be done |
| 18:58.15 | RST38h | Mohammad: every example uses it. |
| 18:58.23 | MohammadAG | And a widgets gallery is the best way to makree a ui |
| 18:58.29 | RST38h | except for examples drawing colored rectangles |
| 18:58.45 | rafael2k | is the 1.1 sdk already available? |
| 18:58.46 | MohammadAG | This ipod crashes like windowd |
| 18:58.54 | MohammadAG | Windows* |
| 18:59.00 | MohammadAG | Wtf is 1.1? |
| 18:59.04 | RST38h | Mohammad: its god has died.it is sad. |
| 18:59.05 | special | I've never used Qt.labs.components |
| 18:59.11 | rafael2k | pr1.1 |
| 18:59.22 | MohammadAG | That's out already? |
| 19:00.02 | MohammadAG | Oh well, getting to pr1.3 and dropping support will be faster this time |
| 19:00.12 | rafael2k | I just put the dev toolchain in sources.list and it seems the sdk is for the beta2 |
| 19:00.39 | MohammadAG | I miss my N950 :/ |
| 19:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | you don't |
| 19:01.18 | rafael2k | the sdk is broken here |
| 19:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | if you had one, it'd be already bricked |
| 19:01.43 | rafael2k | not even gcc can be installed via apt |
| 19:01.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: I'm being tortured with an abomination the world loves |
| 19:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no OCF for beta2 |
| 19:02.16 | RST38h | Mohammad: still incustoms? |
| 19:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | err for latest update |
| 19:02.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Better than a crasy closed as fuck os |
| 19:02.40 | MohammadAG | RST38h: Yes |
| 19:02.47 | RST38h | Mohammad: Well, millions of flies cannot be wrong,you know... |
| 19:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: screw the rootfs -> no way to recover |
| 19:03.21 | MohammadAG | RST38h: So does that mean i have to love iOS? |
| 19:03.36 | MohammadAG | F this crap |
| 19:03.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Lovely |
| 19:05.43 | MohammadAG | Terminal on iOS is lulz, but the fact it's bash makes me lol at android |
| 19:06.59 | jabis | mzanetti: nice to hear :) I guess I just got lucky :) |
| 19:07.33 | mzanetti | jabis: also, the device didn't keep the current time over reboots and the developer mode didnt work |
| 19:07.40 | mzanetti | jabis: all that is fixed after reflashing |
| 19:07.55 | RST38h | Mohammad: means you are supposed to eat shit. |
| 19:08.11 | RST38h | Mohammad: [as long as we follow with the fly example] |
| 19:09.18 | MohammadAG | RST38h: But seriously, i'm not sure why i bought this |
| 19:09.26 | macmaN | bought what |
| 19:09.41 | MohammadAG | CTCP Version me |
| 19:09.56 | RST38h | yoooo |
| 19:10.04 | RST38h | Mohammad: shiny! |
| 19:10.17 | macmaN | urgh |
| 19:10.32 | macmaN | mkay. |
| 19:10.47 | MohammadAG | Yes i deserve to be shot |
| 19:10.53 | macmaN | so how does it feel vs harmattan |
| 19:10.57 | RST38h | After upgrading to Platform SDK 1.1, I am getting "bash: /usr/bin/aegis-session: No such file or directory |
| 19:11.06 | RST38h | What have I done wrong??? |
| 19:11.11 | MohammadAG | Reminds me of windows vista tbh |
| 19:11.23 | RST38h | Mohammad: At least jailbreak it and do something medieval |
| 19:11.35 | MohammadAG | RST38h: Its jailbroken but... |
| 19:11.51 | MohammadAG | checks |
| 19:11.57 | MohammadAG | 11mbs of free ram |
| 19:12.21 | MohammadAG | Facebook app starts with 50mbs of ram usagree |
| 19:12.38 | MohammadAG | This thing makes me like memory management in qml |
| 19:12.56 | MohammadAG | The vkb is worse than android and harmattan |
| 19:13.11 | MohammadAG | Mainly because of the lack of non audible feedback |
| 19:13.35 | MohammadAG | I get sorta good speeds though |
| 19:14.58 | Tuju | how do i flash 950? |
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| 19:16.10 | Tuju | what's the name of that flasher package in fedora? |
| 19:16.58 | rafael2k_ | <- irsii on N950! |
| 19:17.20 | MohammadAG | RST38h, guess what, springboard crashed |
| 19:17.39 | MohammadAG | cause it ran out of ram |
| 19:17.47 | RST38h | ehhehe |
| 19:18.02 | MohammadAG | think imma reboot it |
| 19:18.22 | MohammadAG | crashed again, no reason this time |
| 19:18.27 | Lilltiger | MohammadAG: You cant realy trust the memory usage of apps on a linux machine, as the kernel probly uses greedy memory allocation it will over allocate memory as long as there is some free |
| 19:19.40 | MohammadAG | Lilltiger, but I can trust that memory usage on iOS sucks |
| 19:19.41 | MohammadAG | coupled with only 256MBs of ram... |
| 19:20.18 | MohammadAG | dfu mode is fun though |
| 19:20.21 | Lilltiger | 256MB ram.. outch |
| 19:20.45 | MohammadAG | don't think iOS has a swap concept |
| 19:21.02 | MohammadAG | also the pineapple logo when booting is smart |
| 19:21.02 | Lilltiger | still I dont understand why nokia only put in 1GB of ram in the N9 |
| 19:21.07 | Lilltiger | so stupid |
| 19:21.17 | Lilltiger | should be atleast 2GB |
| 19:21.21 | MohammadAG | 1GB is enough |
| 19:21.46 | Lilltiger | linux loves memory, always have to much of it |
| 19:23.14 | Lilltiger | and when it comes to memory that is so cheap today i see no point in not putting in more.. |
| 19:23.38 | rafael2k_ | fyi, I tested tv-out and its fine |
| 19:23.50 | rafael2k_ | no fm yet |
| 19:24.09 | MohammadAG | Lilltiger, but 1GB is more than enough |
| 19:24.13 | RST38h | 4GB for the full 32bit coverage! =) |
| 19:24.52 | rafael2k_ | swapon people! :P |
| 19:25.03 | RST38h | swapon yourself, thanks. |
| 19:25.06 | Lilltiger | RST38h: bah linux handles more then 4GB at 32bit with a charm, so why limit it to 4GB! :D |
| 19:25.09 | RST38h | B) |
| 19:25.17 | Lilltiger | swap is horribad |
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| 19:25.49 | Lilltiger | never enable swap in linux, just get enought ram |
| 19:25.55 | rafael2k_ | why |
| 19:26.11 | RST38h | sighs: children these days... |
| 19:26.29 | Lilltiger | swap is silly slow, and has the risk of runing into swapping hell |
| 19:26.33 | rafael2k_ | flash is rapid enough for swapping |
| 19:27.03 | rafael2k_ | btw, Ill try her |
| 19:27.05 | rafael2k_ | e |
| 19:27.19 | Lilltiger | stay away from my mother! |
| 19:28.42 | MohammadAG | too much information :p |
| 19:28.49 | ieatlint | not enough pictures? |
| 19:29.18 | ieatlint | also, swap is not the enemy, ram hungry programs and poor swapping behaviour is |
| 19:30.12 | Lilltiger | my enemy right now is the lack of time :( |
| 19:30.18 | ieatlint | 1gb is 4x the n9, n8, and twice the ram of most other phones on the market (including twice the iphone 4s) |
| 19:31.07 | Lilltiger | ieatlint: the n9 has 1gb |
| 19:31.22 | MohammadAG | N900* ieatlint |
| 19:31.35 | mpr | you'll run into a much worse swapping hell if you don't have swap enabled |
| 19:32.12 | ieatlint | err, i mistyped, meant n900 as MohammadAG said |
| 19:32.16 | mpr | since then the os can swap out only executable images and after that the system will run to a screeching halt, which can happen in seconds instead of minutes if you'd had swap enabled |
| 19:32.54 | mpr | then you'll wait 15 minutes for the oom killer to happen to kill the right process before you can even move your mouse or type anything |
| 19:33.09 | ieatlint | yeah, swap is not a bad thing, it's a safety net that works well |
| 19:33.14 | Lilltiger | mpr: then you dont have enought RAM ;) |
| 19:33.20 | ieatlint | even on your system with 16gb of ram, you should have a little swap |
| 19:33.43 | mpr | you can never have enough ram for a rogue process that decides to allocate all available ram |
| 19:33.53 | Lilltiger | ohh but you can! |
| 19:34.00 | Lilltiger | If you only have enought! |
| 19:34.14 | ieatlint | you can't address that much on a 32bit arm system though |
| 19:34.23 | Lilltiger | that is true |
| 19:35.39 | ieatlint | while(1) malloc( 104857600 ); |
| 19:35.54 | ieatlint | i bet that would cover any system you could buy, no matter how mcuh ram it has |
| 19:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: more RAM needs more power, and sometimes the number of addr lines from CPU just limits max RAM |
| 19:36.23 | Lilltiger | btw anyone that got an N9 sand/scrap-box/virtual machine running and could try to compile XBMC for it, would be soo neat to have. But I lack the time to set it up :( |
| 19:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: also more RAM needs more CPU power to handle it |
| 19:37.32 | Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer: yes, but having 2GB in the N9 would be alot neater then just 1GB |
| 19:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | pff |
| 19:37.58 | ieatlint | 1gb is enough, if you're hitting that limit, something is wrong |
| 19:38.02 | ieatlint | (and something may be wrong :) |
| 19:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | if N9 had 4GB, you could bet on Nokia finding ways to waste that as well - maybe we'd not have QML then, but rather SVG or whatever, to display 3D requesters |
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| 19:42.25 | mgedmin | what would be the cost in battery lifetime of having 2 or 4 GB of RAM? |
| 19:42.34 | Lilltiger | hehe 3.8GB would be used by the system :p |
| 19:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | or the font sets are a little mpeg movie for each character |
| 19:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | FLASH!! |
| 19:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | buld the wgole OS in flash |
| 19:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | whole* |
| 19:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | silverlight? |
| 19:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 19:44.19 | ieatlint | is that really much stupider than a system built in silverlight or java? |
| 19:44.35 | Lilltiger | mgedmin: pretty much no ifference in battery usage at all as long as you dont need the extra GB at least |
| 19:44.46 | Lilltiger | as it could be deactivated while not needed |
| 19:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | this isn't done on any platform I know of |
| 19:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | a) way too complex b) not really that much benefit, as RAM is low on standby consumption |
| 19:45.57 | Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer: the linux kernel support hotswapping of ram, so it can enable/disable ram on the run |
| 19:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure! great idea. add 2GB of RAM, increase kernl+systemtools size by ~2GB to manage hotswap on an embedded system |
| 19:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | cackles and heads out |
| 19:47.27 | Frye | Looks like the syncevolution package is not usable as it is on N9 |
| 19:47.32 | Lilltiger | 2GB? never seen a linux kernel over 15mb :p |
| 19:47.46 | Lilltiger | hmm how big is the n9 kernel? |
| 19:47.48 | Frye | Jost complains about invalid package |
| 19:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | Lilltiger: naahnananaaahnaaah, I don't hear anything (puts fingers into ears) |
| 19:48.39 | Lilltiger | DocScrutinizer: :p |
| 19:48.55 | Lilltiger | pokes DocScrutinizer with his poking stick* |
| 19:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, WTF can't they put in 16GB of RAM in that *phone* - hell my last LAPTOP had 256MB of RAM |
| 19:49.53 | ieatlint | dude, you were overdue in upgrading your laptop |
| 19:50.10 | Lilltiger | my last computer had 6GB of ram, my current has only 8GB |
| 19:50.46 | ieatlint | my last laptop came with only 1 keyboard, but i discovered if i added a second, i could type twice as much |
| 19:50.51 | ieatlint | and i'ts hot swappable |
| 19:51.19 | Lilltiger | ieatlint: twice as fast you mean, you can type as much with one keyboard as with two |
| 19:51.35 | ieatlint | not the way i type |
| 19:51.45 | ieatlint | plus no, not twice as fast, the event handler can only do so much |
| 19:52.04 | Lilltiger | aha ;D |
| 19:52.13 | Lilltiger | would be nice to max out the event handler :) |
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| 20:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | oh wow, now N950 capacitive ts is so messed up when on USB charger next to all that other devices, it even creates touch events out of nothing. Just the status bar menu dropdowm opened without anything happening on or next to the device |
| 20:02.38 | ieatlint | my n950 never had that, oddly |
| 20:02.57 | ieatlint | but i saw it on an n9 once, seemingly disappeared after software updates |
| 20:06.37 | ieatlint | i'm liking this awesome error on my n950 with an audiobook app http://imgur.com/x8dvK |
| 20:06.53 | ieatlint | i didn't know you could make a bug that does that :P |
| 20:07.28 | ieatlint | they both function too.. will update the time, and you can click on each one independently of the other... it's a dupe, not a drawing artefact |
| 20:07.44 | Lilltiger | Audiobook Reader is so badly made it should be considered a virus |
| 20:08.03 | ieatlint | well aren't you a confrontational person |
| 20:08.26 | Lilltiger | Well I got realy annoyed by it :p |
| 20:08.55 | ieatlint | sounds like you have a project you can work on |
| 20:09.17 | Lilltiger | Theer are meny, if i only had the time |
| 20:10.18 | ieatlint | just learn to program while drunk... that solved my time issue |
| 20:10.31 | Lilltiger | I know how to program |
| 20:10.45 | ieatlint | while drunk? |
| 20:10.52 | Lilltiger | I havent been drunk for hmm 8 years... |
| 20:11.02 | Lilltiger | naa i learnt it when i was 5 :D |
| 20:11.19 | ieatlint | ah, well then that won't work for you |
| 20:11.23 | Lilltiger | back then it was BASIC for c64 :D |
| 20:11.33 | ieatlint | i just combined my drunk time with my programming time, and viola, balmer peak |
| 20:12.29 | Lilltiger | If I could only combine my "watching old tv-shows" with my "programming time" the issue would be solved! |
| 20:13.31 | Lilltiger | unfortunally my "watching old tv-shows" is during my "work time" and my boss would probly not like it at all if I programmed insted of workt |
| 20:14.18 | Lilltiger | And without an "thought to code" interface I cant combine all three :( |
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| 20:41.31 | petteri | is there any way to execute shell script from qml |
| 20:41.38 | petteri | something like system() |
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| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | hah, balmer peak |
| 20:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE |
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| 20:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: took a 90s nap? ;-) |
| 20:46.00 | javispedro | or a reboot |
| 20:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | I knew of 90s naps, but a 90s reboot? DANG! what did you do to your system, feed it with amphetamine? |
| 20:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I even switched off "fast POST" in BIOS, so I can really enjoy the ~3 reboots per year ;-D |
| 20:49.28 | javispedro | lack of VGA BIOS causes certain wackiness |
| 20:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I see |
| 20:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | still no new explosives? |
| 20:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/images> uptime |
| 20:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.42 | javispedro | well I am still waiting for ASUS to service my RMA... |
| 20:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | oooh RMA |
| 20:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 20:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | you made me wonder... |
| 20:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~RMA |
| 20:53.28 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rma is Return Materials Authorisation, or the process you go through when you want to return a dead part to a manufacturer in exchange for a new one |
| 20:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | indeed has "or the process..." |
| 20:54.35 | RST38h | Ah, Nokia, why did you have to ruin Maemo development environment so fucking much? :((( |
| 20:54.45 | RST38h | Just WHY? |
| 20:55.12 | RST38h | Aegis rejecting fmsx_3.5.12-1_armel.deb: var/lib/dpkg/info/fmsx._aegis not installed by the package |
| 20:55.37 | RST38h | And this is what I get every time I try installing a package built with beta2 platform sdk =( |
| 20:55.38 | ieatlint | well, aegis was designed over a year ago, when Nokia knew it had to tell developers to go fuck themselves in some way |
| 20:56.00 | ieatlint | then february came, and they decided not to wait, and told their developers to go fuck themselves then |
| 20:56.23 | ieatlint | but by a strange twist of fate, the phone still got released, so we get the message twice |
| 20:57.31 | augustl | are there any downsides to enabling developer mode on an N9? I want to ssh into it, for no particular reason :) |
| 20:58.18 | aslani | I'm not sure, but the warranty might get void |
| 20:58.31 | ieatlint | heh, no, you don't void your warranty |
| 20:58.58 | augustl | would suck if the phone drains more battery and what not, due to having an ssh daemon and more stuff running. |
| 20:58.58 | ieatlint | theoretically there are no downsides, but it is possible that while connected to wifi, your phone could be more vulnerable |
| 20:59.31 | augustl | it can't be disabled right? |
| 21:00.14 | ieatlint | ssh can be disabled by leaving developer mode, or typing "stop ssh" on the terminal |
| 21:00.24 | ieatlint | (i believe you'd need to run "stop ssh" after each boot) |
| 21:00.56 | augustl | I mean developer mode in general. Once enabled, there's no turning back? |
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| 21:01.34 | ieatlint | uh, you can turn it off |
| 21:01.43 | ieatlint | never tried myself |
| 21:01.54 | ieatlint | but all it does is install some packages |
| 21:02.20 | augustl | I see |
| 21:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | the major downside is in beta2 devel mode probably isn't what you expected it to be |
| 21:02.58 | augustl | aegis, right? |
| 21:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | not that it was exactly my dream of a devel environment in beta1 |
| 21:03.35 | ieatlint | well he's on an n9, so he's on 34-1... dev mode functions the same as beta2 though |
| 21:04.05 | ieatlint | aegis is always on your device |
| 21:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | augustl: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
| 21:04.24 | ieatlint | what doc means is that *all* it does is install a terminal app, an sshd, and an "sdk connect" tool |
| 21:04.33 | messerting | Is there a shopping list app that I can synchronize with another phone for the Nokia N9? |
| 21:04.38 | ieatlint | it doesn't reduce security at all, allowing easier development |
| 21:04.41 | augustl | I hope someone makes a safe way of replacing the kernel with an aegis free one. A pretty, normal linux ftw. |
| 21:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | augustl: there already is such a way, alas you lose harmattan OS ( or some limbs of it) on the way |
| 21:05.45 | augustl | DocScrutinizer: meego ce you mean? |
| 21:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | and since beta2+ there's not even a way back to normal, until Nokia maybe eventually publishes a OCF for it |
| 21:06.24 | augustl | :S |
| 21:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | augustl: read the thread I linked |
| 21:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | no I don't mean CE |
| 21:06.57 | augustl | hmm, I'll read that thread :) |
| 21:07.28 | RST38h | washes his hands for today, after emailing an Ovi Store developer support guy. If I can't resolve this issue, then I guess that is it for me with Harmattan development =( |
| 21:08.12 | augustl | are there any news on updates for the n9 btw? Haven't seen any. |
| 21:08.20 | ieatlint | RST38h: what issue are you having? |
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| 21:08.39 | RST38h | ieatlint: Aegis rejecting fmsx_3.5.12-1_armel.deb: var/lib/dpkg/info/fmsx._aegis not installed by the package |
| 21:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | always same issue: HARMATTEN |
| 21:09.17 | ieatlint | augustl: yeah, they're going to be offering an optional "upgrade" for the n9 to run windows phone 7, which will be available shortly after nokia world next week. near the end of the year, the "upgrade" will become non-optional |
| 21:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | which is 99% == pAEGIS |
| 21:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | for the issue |
| 21:10.41 | augustl | ieatlint: watwatwatwatwat?!? |
| 21:10.45 | RST38h | ieatlint: the package has been built with beta2 platform sdk, the same way I have always built it with beta1 platform sdk |
| 21:10.54 | augustl | non-optional upgrade?!? |
| 21:11.14 | augustl | I hope someone creates a workaround by then |
| 21:11.18 | ieatlint | RST38h: sounds like it's missing in a manifest |
| 21:11.20 | ieatlint | but dunno |
| 21:11.38 | ieatlint | augustl: you'll probably have to find a way to disable checking the nokia servers |
| 21:11.43 | RST38h | ieatlint: plat sdk generated manifests automatically |
| 21:11.59 | ieatlint | and do they not include the file? |
| 21:12.13 | augustl | ieatlint: where did you hear this from? |
| 21:12.51 | RST38h | sleep. |
| 21:13.00 | ieatlint | disgruntled nokia employees |
| 21:13.08 | ieatlint | they're not too pleased, but the decision was made from above |
| 21:13.24 | augustl | ieatlint: zomg |
| 21:15.01 | augustl | that's pretty crazy |
| 21:15.17 | augustl | windows phone 7 with the harmattan/swipe UI? Or just plain windows phone 7? |
| 21:16.12 | ieatlint | not sure about that, but i suspect whatever UI nokia will be releasing it with |
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| 21:17.17 | augustl | if that's true, I totally regret buying a n9 |
| 21:17.44 | messerting | augustl: you are trolling |
| 21:18.07 | messerting | augustl: sorry |
| 21:18.10 | augustl | messerting: no, I'm genuinely upset |
| 21:18.23 | ieatlint | just because someone says they bought an n9 doesn't mean they're a troll |
| 21:19.24 | messerting | augustl: sorry, wong name, I meant ieatlint " the "upgrade" will become non-optional" |
| 21:19.40 | augustl | messerting: do you have any sources indicating otherwise? I sure hope so :) |
| 21:20.22 | ieatlint | heh, wish i were... |
| 21:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | I first thought ieatlint is just kidding, but actually I start to doubt if it might be true (maybe even without him actually knowing) |
| 21:20.49 | messerting | they cannot send out an "non-optional" upgrade in the EU, that is taking away freedoms from the user |
| 21:21.19 | ieatlint | ah, maybe there was a misunderstanding on that point then |
| 21:21.24 | augustl | I just can't imagine they'll replace the entire swipe UI with something else. That would make no sense. So at least we'll get winmo with swipe... |
| 21:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | messerting: they also can not stop support (e.g. SUPL, repos) without any notice, after as short as 18 months |
| 21:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | still they do |
| 21:22.58 | messerting | Well, I was quite suprised that this aegis stuff was on my N9. Is it even compatible with GPL if I cannot disable it?? |
| 21:23.04 | kimju | well, n9 has omap3. is there any windows phones with ti chipset? so I don't believe there will even an optional update. and mandatory update is just impossible |
| 21:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | messerting: sure :-/ |
| 21:24.17 | ieatlint | has nokia done their gpl code releases for this yet? |
| 21:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: mandatory update is as possible as aegis having a timebomb anywhere is possible |
| 21:24.38 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: Sorry, can you clarify - MeeGo (or Maemo/Harmattan) is GPL, right? And is Aegis compatible, given it cannot be uninstalled? |
| 21:25.00 | ieatlint | meego is a name |
| 21:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | GPL is not about uninstalling anything, right? |
| 21:25.29 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: GPL is about freedom for the user, installation on hardware is a core part. Right? |
| 21:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | wrong |
| 21:25.52 | messerting | Here's the GPL quiz: http://www.gnu.org/cgi-bin/license-quiz.cgi |
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| 21:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | read all about security frameworks, and what they can get used for when implemented properly, at |
| 21:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 21:29.05 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 21:29.08 | messerting | Is this relevant?: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TwoPartyTivoization |
| 21:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | the wiki link in there |
| 21:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | and none of all that is in any way relevant or even related to GPL in any way whatsoever |
| 21:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | maemo/HARM has (and always had) blobs that are not related to GPL (e.g gfx/dsp driver) |
| 21:31.29 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: How can it not be relevant for GPL? I have purchased a phone with GPL on it, and I cannot modify the GPL parts of it because of Aegis. |
| 21:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | and there can theoretically anything inside such a blob |
| 21:32.08 | ieatlint | the GPL only gives you access to GPL code, not the ability to modify the device |
| 21:32.30 | messerting | So, how do install my own kernel then? |
| 21:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | GPL is not about modification of binaries on a particular machine. All I see when reading GPL is about *sourcecode* |
| 21:33.24 | ieatlint | and going to gnu.org for device is like asking rms |
| 21:33.29 | ieatlint | and that's never good advice :P |
| 21:33.35 | messerting | Hm, I might be thinking of GPL3. Is Harmattan GPL2? |
| 21:33.54 | ieatlint | neither version grants you rights to do anything with binaries |
| 21:34.20 | messerting | ieatlint: GPL3 has an requirement on Installation Information |
| 21:34.21 | ieatlint | aegis is also a kernel module, so it falls outside of the GPL (same way as say, nvidia kernel modules do) |
| 21:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | aegis *is* GPL |
| 21:34.55 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 21:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | just that doesn't help anything |
| 21:35.11 | ieatlint | oooh, i didn't know aegis was gpl |
| 21:35.13 | ieatlint | interesting |
| 21:35.17 | Lilltiger | ieatlint: that is not true either, the GPL wouldent allow for binary modules like the nvidia one |
| 21:35.26 | Lilltiger | but the kernel is LGPL |
| 21:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, at least most parts of aegis are GPL afaik |
| 21:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | what's NOT GPL is the root cert owned by Nokia |
| 21:37.05 | messerting | Well, will it be possible to *jailbreak* my GPL Linux phone in the future? (I though I'd never had to ask such an Apple-ish question!) |
| 21:37.29 | Lilltiger | messerting: you can already do that and install any linux you like |
| 21:37.30 | NIN101 | Lilltiger: the kernel is not LGPL. |
| 21:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | and NOLO will tear down TPM aka FritzChip when booting a kenel that'S not signed by Nokia root cert |
| 21:37.57 | messerting | Lilltiger: could you paste a link for a flasher? |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki |
| 21:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | meggo wiki this time |
| 21:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | meego even |
| 21:39.35 | messerting | Hm, that's nice, thanks! What are the downsides? |
| 21:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | you can flash meegoCE right away, and thus permanently break your warranty and block any way back to harmattan |
| 21:39.42 | Sput | so, if one has done the FOTA upgrade to 1.1, and now can't log in to his Nokia account - what's the recommended way out of that? |
| 21:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | you also can flash a pretty stock HARM kernel just built locally and thus without signature, and you will have a HARM system in "open mode" - again no way back atm |
| 21:40.47 | javispedro | Sput: the window! |
| 21:41.03 | javispedro | Sput: there's NO way as of now. |
| 21:41.07 | Sput | k |
| 21:41.20 | Sput | now I can't even install the shiny devdays app :/ |
| 21:42.05 | mgedmin | there's no one-click flasher for the N9? |
| 21:42.34 | javispedro | none |
| 21:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | cool, isn't it? :-S |
| 21:43.16 | messerting | yeah, pretty cool... |
| 21:43.20 | Sput | also, my twitter client seems to have stopped working after the second reboot of the phone, can't log in anymore |
| 21:43.28 | Sput | and of course, the email client does no longer remember passwords |
| 21:43.35 | jabis | there is a flasher, but won't do any good without a signed fw (which are none out there) |
| 21:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 21:44.35 | javispedro | to complicate things, the MALF message on the N9 now says you should take the device to Nokia Care.. |
| 21:44.37 | messerting | I thought the N9 would be everything my N900 was, but with a better UI... Seems it so locked down, even the iFanBoys could love it (now I'm trolling...) |
| 21:45.37 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ -- the iFanBoys are loving it, so I guess that is the point. |
| 21:45.59 | messerting | ah, yes, read that one :) |
| 21:46.18 | jabis | after N8 I'm happy with N9, tho dev-wise not a breakthrough, but a breakdown on several factors |
| 21:46.55 | messerting | Anyways, anyone got Swype working on the n9? (I'm not talking about Swipe, it works, but the alternative input method swype) |
| 21:47.24 | messerting | Also, do you get calendar events showing on the homescreen? (or what is it called - eventscreen?) |
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| 21:47.56 | jabis | haven't gotten it to work (yet) still battling, like with rdesktop to accept the virtual keyboard -.- |
| 21:48.48 | messerting | I'm also struggling a bit with copy-paste in the email client |
| 21:50.24 | messerting | How do I copy text from an email and paste it in an text message? |
| 21:51.09 | jabis | I got distracted over the fact that I need to "widen" an online shop api to work with DHL's PI tracking system |
| 21:51.31 | jabis | spoilt my weekend fun with N9 -.- |
| 21:52.22 | javispedro | I have to wonder what is the underlying cause for the "slopiness" regarding FIASCO and SDK releases these days. |
| 21:52.53 | javispedro | s/slopiness/slackness |
| 21:53.29 | jabis | sloppy or slack - still echoes the "I don't give a fuck"ness-factor |
| 21:53.38 | javispedro | on N900 the delays came on the PR side, the SDK and sources came even months before. |
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| 21:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: on fremantle there's been no big difference between developer system and sales version |
| 21:55.49 | javispedro | there where some, though. |
| 21:56.29 | jabis | I have a hunch that the N9 "experiment" is still undergoing some sort of scrutiny of them smaller bosses, the ones that decide whether it's best to give a minimal effort or to just bury the devs with new tasks regarding the official policy |
| 21:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | some minor ones, but not like you had to fork out a devel branch weeks and months prior to shipping the SDK |
| 21:57.49 | javispedro | well I don't know the internal process, but I wouldn't say the differences between SDK and device are much larger on Harm.. |
| 21:57.50 | messerting | I find the N900 quite good still, and agree with http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html that the N950 is superior to the N9. |
| 21:59.04 | messerting | Although I'm a bit negative here, I find the N9 very, very promising, and hope for great stuff in the time to come :) |
| 21:59.12 | rafael2k_ | people, is anyone working on porting fennec/firefox? |
| 21:59.37 | jabis | porting to what/where? |
| 22:00.12 | messerting | To me, it seems a bit "almost done"-ish. Some minor parts are missing. Same was with N900, but the first update was very good. |
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| 22:01.41 | jabis | well - I'll comment on that after the first fw update is announced and I've gotten the original fw from our b2b provider so there's no chance to brick my work phone -.- |
| 22:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html what a fool, dark gray font on black - THANKS :-/ |
| 22:03.28 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: yes, it's like whispering ;) |
| 22:04.51 | messerting | Is it possible to change the browser's user-agent string? I don't like to be forced to use the mobile versions of web pages. |
| 22:05.42 | messerting | And - anyone know how to connect with msn (Microsoft messenger)? |
| 22:08.20 | jabis | I thought messenger was dead x) |
| 22:11.23 | messerting | jabis: well, I would hope that too, but some of my friends can only be reached by that cra*p. |
| 22:13.51 | lardman | is among those |
| 22:14.05 | lardman | for his sins ;) |
| 22:14.16 | lardman | or rather because that's what his friends use |
| 22:15.22 | jabis | don't get me wrong - I have msn too - I've only set it up during '90s :D |
| 22:15.36 | messerting | Isn't the msn protocol open now? and called by another name? |
| 22:16.09 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: yeah that kinda struck my eye as well |
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| 22:21.49 | lardman | macmaN: after reading that it reminds me that I keep trying to swipe applications away on my Android Galaxy Tab :) |
| 22:22.18 | macmaN | lardman: yep, same here |
| 22:37.57 | Lilltiger | messerting: it might be possible throught google talk |
| 22:38.22 | messerting | Lilltiger: how? |
| 22:38.36 | Lilltiger | http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html |
| 22:38.43 | Lilltiger | i havent tried it myself yet |
| 22:45.24 | messerting | hm, cool |
| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | messerting: macmaN: pro-tip ctrl-A |
| 22:45.49 | messerting | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 22:45.52 | macmaN | lol |
| 22:45.53 | macmaN | good point |
| 22:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | mark-all |
| 22:46.02 | macmaN | xcalib -invert probably works too |
| 22:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | konttori 95% left meego dpt. of Nokia :-/ So definitely it's a zombie project by now |
| 22:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | not that this was any news |
| 22:48.25 | messerting | sorry, I don't follow :). I understand that ctrl-A is mark-all, but where? what was the context? |
| 22:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-23 00:02:35] <DocScrutinizer> http://peakmob.blogspot.com/2011/10/from-n900-to-n9-review.html what a fool, dark gray font on black - THANKS :-/ |
| 22:48.42 | messerting | (it's gettin' late) |
| 22:48.46 | javispedro | yeah, as I was reading that part of konttori's blog post I could not avoid feeling gloomy.. |
| 22:48.59 | messerting | aha, I see :) |
| 22:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | yup :-/ |
| 22:49.41 | javispedro | meanwhile, in a few minutes I've hacked some input method for harm using pocketsphinx xd |
| 22:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | WUT???? incredible |
| 22:50.27 | javispedro | now I can go showing around true state of the art voice recognition.... albeit with the spanish model it seems to produce words from /dev/random.. |
| 22:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | works on paegis? |
| 22:50.33 | javispedro | yep |
| 22:50.39 | javispedro | with or without |
| 22:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | FRIGGIN DAMN COOL SH*T! |
| 22:51.41 | jabis | javispedro you seem to be a loose cannon with aiming capabilities - kudos for your work |
| 22:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | now THIS might even make me reconsider my attitude towards the aegis coffin |
| 22:52.53 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: downside is that I had to make some changes to PocketSphinx to use your favourite sound daemon. |
| 22:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 22:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:53.21 | jabis | it would sound gay to say that "I've followed you around" but... at the forums X) |
| 22:54.05 | jabis | *meant @ javis |
| 22:54.20 | jabis | you almost have as cool name as I have ^^ |
| 22:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm already sold to the idea to wear N9(50) without ever touching it, UI based solely on voice input and tts |
| 22:55.02 | javispedro | hm |
| 22:55.10 | javispedro | this is dictation only |
| 22:55.25 | javispedro | control is way harder, I elaborated a bit on this a bit yesterday |
| 22:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | sure I wouldn't use it for IRC, not this year at least |
| 22:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | you would just need to inject kbd and ts events |
| 22:56.25 | javispedro | basically, I think QML apps don't bend themselves well neither to tts or recognition. a18y seems to be lacking.. |
| 22:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | no? |
| 22:56.41 | javispedro | the problem is "knowing what is on the screen", semantically. |
| 22:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see |
| 22:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | where's focus, so to say. |
| 22:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | not only focus, but also all the other little details |
| 22:58.04 | javispedro | unless you are thinking "move mouse pointer two pixels down" |
| 22:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | maybe we need a combination of screenshot, pattern matching, and OCR to get this done |
| 22:58.36 | javispedro | lol |
| 22:58.52 | javispedro | I've heard that before |
| 22:58.57 | javispedro | for the "global copy & paste" idea |
| 22:58.59 | javispedro | ;P |
| 22:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 22:59.11 | javispedro | should not be a surprise, the problem is the same |
| 22:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually some c&p tools work that way, iirc mainly on windoze |
| 22:59.39 | javispedro | windoze, as crap as it is, does have good a18y stuff usually |
| 22:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~a18y |
| 22:59.52 | javispedro | getting text from a window usually "works" |
| 23:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict a18y |
| 23:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | accessability? |
| 23:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | starts counting |
| 23:00.59 | javispedro | hits head a few times |
| 23:01.06 | javispedro | yes, accessibility. |
| 23:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | well meanwhile maybe |
| 23:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | with windows98 etc this wasn't exactly the case |
| 23:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | and I recall tools that used the currently used font (somehow available info) to match it acainst screen to get ascii c&p |
| 23:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | against* |
| 23:03.56 | javispedro | "One afternoon in the sixties one of the background shoes was slender for the afternoon externals on the internet around two plain windows |
| 23:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, ablas espanol? |
| 23:05.03 | jabis | exactly the same shit flir, cifr and the likes do to the day ^^ |
| 23:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it will get better with a bit of training |
| 23:06.25 | jabis | only those are made for exactly the opposite - making accessible text pretty - not the other way around |
| 23:06.28 | javispedro | think I am going to upload at least the sphinx packages and see if someone does something cooler |
| 23:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it a pity that metawatch has no speaker and mic? |
| 23:07.58 | jabis | I like my overflowing pool of data without a voice, thanks x) |
| 23:08.48 | jabis | and my voice sounds like a dirty ole 60's gramps so no thank you to that either x) |
| 23:09.22 | javispedro | someone said my english has a new zealand accent |
| 23:09.33 | javispedro | I've never been to new zealand :( |
| 23:14.11 | jabis | a stupid question but has anyone managed to get the virtual kbd to play nice with rdesktop around here? |
| 23:14.56 | javispedro | the virtual kb will only play nice with MTF or QML apps, shortly followed by Qt apps in second place. |
| 23:16.33 | jabis | that's what I thought *sigh* tho wrapping it to a Qt app shouldn't be much of a chore |
| 23:17.31 | javispedro | I dislike all of the reviews of the N9 so far, both the positive and negative ones. |
| 23:17.51 | jabis | what about them? |
| 23:17.54 | javispedro | people love to center the entire review on what is basically the launcher.. |
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| 23:19.02 | javispedro | some of the negative ones didn't even use a N9 (that one who misdescribed how unlocking the screen works? ...) |
| 23:19.30 | javispedro | on the positive ones, they mention "pervasive copy paste".... possibily didn't realize the browser doesn't do copy paste.. |
| 23:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, all seem to be of astonishingly low insight |
| 23:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/low/poor/. |
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| 23:21.54 | jabis | I've yet to read any (credible) reviews on my native tongue - and have had the equipment for a week ( a few weeks sick leave from work ) and the first thing I needed to do was getting browser certs working - blech |
| 23:22.12 | jabis | s/on/in/ |
| 23:24.54 | zogg_ | whois zx2c4 |
| 23:25.01 | zogg_ | !whois zx2c4 |
| 23:25.10 | zogg_ | what is the command of bot? |
| 23:27.05 | jabis | $whois zx2c4 |
| 23:27.16 | ZogG-laptop | no found it |
| 23:27.19 | ZogG-laptop | ~zogg |
| 23:27.19 | infobot | from memory, zogg is not awesome at all |
| 23:27.52 | ZogG-laptop | ~jabis is awesome guy |
| 23:27.52 | infobot | okay, ZogG-laptop |
| 23:28.01 | jabis | and to your question - depends on the bot x) |
| 23:28.43 | ZogG-laptop | anyway enuf with spam |
| 23:28.44 | ZogG-laptop | jabis: it the same as at #maemo |
| 23:28.45 | ZogG-laptop | i just forgot howto =) |
| 23:28.47 | ZogG-laptop | now i need to go to sleep |
| 23:30.00 | jabis | force-sleeps ZogG |
| 23:30.12 | jabis | don't get it the wrong way x) |
| 23:30.13 | ZogG-laptop | zzZZZZ |
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| 23:38.28 | javispedro | engadget guys saying "there must be video in skype, because otherwise there won't be any app using the front camera"... |
| 23:38.47 | javispedro | well..... color me absolutely unsurprised. |
| 23:39.32 | jabis | I found it beculiar that no other app in ovi store uses front camera except Screenshot |
| 23:39.56 | javispedro | are you a newcomer? ;P |
| 23:41.09 | jabis | depends on what you mean x) |
| 23:41.12 | javispedro | virtually nothing on the n900 used the front camera until the second release will into the middle of its support life |
| 23:41.30 | javispedro | *well into |
| 23:42.14 | jabis | I've known there is one, and has been one and it has been marketed (poorly), but I was actually surprised no use case has came afloat |
| 23:42.15 | npm_ | is there a way to access the version string of an application from qml? |
| 23:42.49 | javispedro | version string from what? |
| 23:43.07 | npm_ | i guess from the .pro file |
| 23:43.17 | javispedro | that would be a surprise |
| 23:43.24 | npm_ | yeah just thought i'd ask |
| 23:43.42 | javispedro | the problem is that there's no standard place where you actually define the application version string |
| 23:43.57 | npm_ | actually really the qtc_packaging/...changelog version |
| 23:43.59 | javispedro | basically, you build your own, be it a macro, or something similar... |
| 23:44.37 | npm_ | e.g. "voicetogoog (0.0.1) unstable; urgency=low" |
| 23:44.48 | npm_ | or subcomponents thereof |
| 23:44.48 | javispedro | that is just packaging |
| 23:44.59 | npm_ | yes, i'm getting to the final stretch, the blessed about diaglog |
| 23:45.08 | berndhs | the debian changelog version is about packaging, not really any application executable version |
| 23:45.34 | npm_ | i realize that, but i wanted to know if there was some magickal qt way of getting the packaging numbers over into qt |
| 23:45.41 | npm_ | e.g. so as to be able to print out an about dialog |
| 23:45.59 | npm_ | and not have to update it each version |
| 23:46.33 | berndhs | gerp, awk, sed, echo :) |
| 23:46.45 | berndhs | s/gerp/grep/ |
| 23:47.11 | npm_ | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9519 |
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| 23:51.24 | javispedro | I love how they are talking about a very concrete process that I could describe up to the "process X reads byte Y from file Z" level in a very abstract way |
| 23:52.12 | jabis | javis, have you got an N9 at hand? |
| 23:52.33 | javispedro | nope, but I have a N950. |
| 23:53.05 | jabis | I'd love to know what dependecies there are for retail N9, for rsync |
| 23:54.10 | javispedro | download this http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html |
| 23:55.31 | javispedro | if you are getting one, and you know what "dependencies" or "rsync" or "debian" means, scratchbox _should_ really be in your harddrive somewhere |
| 23:56.51 | javispedro | meanwhile, pocketsphinx packages for everyone -- http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/sphinx/ |
| 23:58.04 | jabis | javis, I already have one, but I have no dev-box at hand - I'd like to know what libs I need to get to install rsync on N9 retail, which is distinctly different from 950 |
| 23:58.51 | javispedro | I don't think it's distinctly different in this regard |
| 23:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: will it "just install" and come with some kind of icon, GUI, etc? |
| 23:59.19 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is pocketsphinx only |
| 23:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 23:59.32 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: so it will come with the pocketsphinx_continuous cmd line applet and libraries |
| 23:59.33 | jabis | well - distinctly different comparing the fw's :) |
| 23:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | no use to take it with me to my beer next pub then |
