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| 07:14.19 | flux | is anybody working on a fuel usage log application for n9(50)? |
| 07:15.15 | nibbler | there is "Battery Usage" in the ovi store (unless you are not looking for something with a fancy UI) |
| 07:15.31 | flux | I mean actual fuel, of a motor vehicle.. |
| 07:15.37 | matrixx | I guess fuel this time in cars :O |
| 07:15.38 | nibbler | oh :-) |
| 07:15.39 | flux | like the 'fueldpad' for n900 |
| 07:15.39 | matrixx | :) |
| 07:15.53 | flux | oops, 'fuelpad' |
| 07:16.17 | flux | actually I would say BU is pretty fancy, all it lacks is the charting capabilities |
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| 08:36.07 | flux | has someone tried a bluetooth keyboard with N9? |
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| 08:41.56 | dm8tbr | flux: yes, someone did. supposedly it works but the vkb must be shown for it to work |
| 08:42.09 | dm8tbr | (I had other problems on the n950) |
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| 08:48.46 | hiemanshu | is there a decent ePub or mobi reader yet? |
| 08:50.14 | ArkanoiD_ | fbreader |
| 08:50.26 | ArkanoiD_ | it shoud handle both iirc |
| 08:50.33 | ArkanoiD_ | depends on what you call "decent" |
| 08:50.52 | ArkanoiD_ | because UI is next to unusable, but you barely see it once you set it up |
| 08:51.08 | ArkanoiD_ | the annoying part is precise taping on the book you need is tricky |
| 08:52.51 | hiemanshu | I just want to be able to read while travelling, laptop is heavy, and not planning on a ebook reader any time soon |
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| 10:11.07 | rantom | Is it just me or does the N9 (black) with the black cover remind you about the N950? |
| 10:11.35 | rantom | I have to be careful with those two since I've almost taken the N9 again and trying to get Nemo on it :D |
| 10:11.46 | matrixx | :D |
| 10:29.46 | rantom | s/Nemo/CE |
| 10:30.22 | rantom | Good job from me trying to install something that I can't install yet (due to my skills) :P |
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| 11:18.31 | tomma | is there flasher released for new update? |
| 11:18.59 | leinir | tomma: nope, it's an OTA update :) |
| 11:19.22 | leinir | make sure you've got beta2 installed, and no apps open when you start the update (to avoid out of memory warnings) :) |
| 11:20.25 | tomma | i need to flash anyway =) |
| 11:20.31 | leinir | aah right :) |
| 11:20.40 | leinir | in that case, i don't know, i'm afraid :) |
| 11:20.45 | rantom | So OTA is out? |
| 11:21.07 | leinir | rantom: Yup, mine's updating as i write this :) |
| 11:21.12 | leinir | 61% (taking a while ;) ) |
| 11:21.16 | rantom | Starting WEP -> |
| 11:21.24 | rantom | (no wlan-router for now) |
| 11:21.30 | Kaadlajk | that update probably disables the low memory warnings :P |
| 11:21.48 | rantom | I've never seen one |
| 11:21.55 | leinir | Kaadlajk: Hehe, nope, it doesn't - i had two apps running, and have gotten three so far ;) |
| 11:23.25 | rantom | Updating.. |
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| 11:24.51 | rantom | How big of an update is that? |
| 11:25.58 | leinir | some 260 megs or so :) |
| 11:26.05 | rantom | ok |
| 11:26.06 | Jaffa | leinir: I'm up to 48%. God it's slow. |
| 11:26.20 | rantom | Hey, I'm downloading in 3G-wep |
| 11:26.24 | rantom | Don't complain :P |
| 11:26.31 | leinir | Jaffa: mine got to around 70 and rebooted - just waiting for it to do so now :) |
| 11:26.39 | rantom | Ah, installing.. |
| 11:26.40 | rantom | nvm |
| 11:26.56 | Jaffa | leinir: Shiny |
| 11:27.11 | leinir | Jaffa: browncoat? ;) |
| 11:27.23 | Jaffa | leinir: You're goram right |
| 11:28.03 | leinir | ;) |
| 11:30.47 | Jaffa | 57%. Dum de dum. |
| 11:32.07 | Summeli | "memory low" dialogs constantly poppion out... |
| 11:34.59 | Stecchino | where are backup saved to? Can I copy them off the device before running this OTA update? |
| 11:35.08 | Stecchino | also: are there release notes for this update |
| 11:35.32 | Stecchino | would love to know if the GSM instability is solved/worked around so I can actually use this as a phone |
| 11:36.01 | special | Stecchino: a folder in ~/MyDocs/.backups |
| 11:37.22 | Stecchino | special: thanks |
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| 11:40.29 | Jaffa | Rebooting... |
| 11:42.23 | rantom | Did the N9 get an update too? |
| 11:42.31 | rantom | Or just the N950? |
| 11:45.20 | Kaadlajk | I think that is to update N950 as close as possible to the software N9 has |
| 11:46.01 | rantom | Finally, installing |
| 11:46.11 | leinir | rantom: what Kaadlajk said :) This is the update they talked about on the N9 Developers blog :) |
| 11:46.14 | gri | waits until someone successfully finished :) |
| 11:46.28 | kimju | what is the version number of the ota update? |
| 11:46.55 | rantom | leinir: Doesn't really answer my question but ok |
| 11:47.18 | Kaadlajk | rantom: just N950 |
| 11:47.23 | rantom | ok |
| 11:48.10 | leinir | well, the direct implication of the fact this brings the n950 up to side by side with the N9 would be that the answer is "no" ;) |
| 11:48.27 | Kaadlajk | I am also curious what is the image version of the N950 update |
| 11:49.45 | sandst1 | the previous one was 34-1, and n9 also has 34-1, so n950 getting a newer one than the n9..? |
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| 11:50.10 | gri | sandst1, n950 was 34-2 |
| 11:50.25 | gri | now it's 39-5 |
| 11:50.56 | sandst1 | gri: ok, nice |
| 11:51.01 | Kaadlajk | 1.2011.34-2 --> 2.2011.39-5 then |
| 11:51.34 | Stecchino | 39, so it probably is over 3 weeks old already |
| 11:51.44 | Stecchino | that could be the final N9 release then |
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| 11:52.20 | sandst1 | Stecchino: N9 actually has 34-1, so that one is newer |
| 11:52.55 | Kaadlajk | it just tells that image was built on later week not what patches went in |
| 11:52.56 | Stecchino | sandst1: sales release? |
| 11:52.59 | sandst1 | see the version from the settings -> 'information about product' or whatever the row was called |
| 11:53.38 | sandst1 | Kaadlajk: ah |
| 11:53.51 | sandst1 | Stecchino: yes. |
| 11:54.03 | Kaadlajk | I think that release is based on N9 sales release with some stuff, like games, removed |
| 11:54.09 | Stecchino | hmm, would say that was alter |
| 11:54.19 | Stecchino | but I'm probably mistaken, time flies |
| 11:54.50 | gri | would be happy to see swype but I don't think so |
| 11:56.02 | Kaadlajk | swype seemed too hard so did not bother learning it :P N900 hwkb -> N9 vkb was hard enough already |
| 11:56.35 | gri | With the n900 hw keyboard, I was pretty fast ? with the n950 hw keyboard I'm much slower :( |
| 11:56.54 | gri | with vkb ? you don't have a clock to measure that :) |
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| 12:03.56 | tomma | how do i flash so it erases everything from device?... even device lock code |
| 12:04.27 | tomma | cold flash didn't help |
| 12:04.35 | w00t | with difficulty |
| 12:04.59 | w00t | you need to extract flasher and the images out of OCF, and flash with --erase-mmc=secure |
| 12:05.24 | tomma | well it does that by default |
| 12:05.36 | w00t | i'm pretty sure it doesn't |
| 12:05.37 | tomma | and --erase-user-data is disabled |
| 12:05.48 | w00t | given that I had to do it by hand a few days ago :) |
| 12:06.06 | tomma | hmm... atleast installer script inside oneclickflasher has line: ./usr/bin/flasher -a img.bin --erase-mmc=secure || failed=true |
| 12:06.25 | w00t | straaaangeeee |
| 12:06.29 | w00t | checks his |
| 12:07.23 | rantom | WTF |
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| 12:07.29 | rantom | Memory low |
| 12:07.36 | rantom | I only have the updater on |
| 12:08.01 | w00t | tomma: you're right, actually.. let me check logs as to what I did |
| 12:08.13 | gri | rantom, at which percentage? |
| 12:08.21 | rantom | 50 |
| 12:08.36 | rantom | And now in 51 |
| 12:08.39 | Kaadlajk | I think on N9 the memory low warning is disabled |
| 12:08.50 | w00t | tomma: when you say erase-user-data was disabled, how did you mean? |
| 12:08.50 | gri | I'm at 2% .. let's see what happens at 50 :) |
| 12:08.57 | rantom | The N950 is just bonkers |
| 12:09.12 | rantom | How can I close apps since I can't access multi-task |
| 12:09.13 | rantom | :P |
| 12:09.29 | gri | ssh? |
| 12:09.44 | rantom | No need |
| 12:09.52 | rantom | It stopped showing those errors, for now |
| 12:10.01 | special | rantom: it showed them all the way through for me, worked fine. |
| 12:10.05 | rantom | 55 and climbing |
| 12:10.12 | rantom | special: Yeah, same here |
| 12:10.18 | tomma | w00t, it says: ERROR: Erase not supported. Use APE flashing algorithm. |
| 12:10.18 | tomma | ERROR: Failed to erase user data using 'secure' method |
| 12:10.24 | w00t | tomma: you need to give it images |
| 12:10.36 | tomma | oh ok =) |
| 12:10.49 | w00t | tomma: --erase-user-data=secure -F emmc.bin -F img.bin -f |
| 12:10.52 | w00t | or something like that |
| 12:11.01 | Kaadlajk | that should work |
| 12:11.24 | Kaadlajk | might take really long time depending on how much stuff you have on the device |
| 12:12.01 | matrixx | 57% and the first low mem warning |
| 12:12.04 | tomma | yeah not it seems to be working |
| 12:12.04 | tomma | thanks |
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| 12:18.15 | rantom | 100 % |
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| 12:18.22 | rantom | \o/ |
| 12:18.55 | rantom | 30 mins approx |
| 12:19.13 | gri | 32 here .. |
| 12:19.18 | gri | percent |
| 12:25.35 | rantom | Swype is awesome |
| 12:25.41 | rantom | Now get it to the N9 |
| 12:25.48 | gri | it's there? |
| 12:28.15 | rantom | Yes |
| 12:28.20 | faenil | yeeeeeeeees |
| 12:28.26 | rantom | Time and Language and set it as active input method |
| 12:28.27 | faenil | have been waiting for swype... |
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| 12:28.34 | rantom | Stupid cover |
| 12:28.51 | gri | yay, memory low at 50% ;) |
| 12:28.59 | rantom | This is probably fifth time I picked up the N9 when I was supposed to pick up my N950 |
| 12:29.07 | rantom | curses the similar design |
| 12:29.26 | gri | put a "I am the N9" postit on it |
| 12:29.32 | faenil | lol |
| 12:29.34 | rantom | :P |
| 12:29.43 | faenil | so, any advice before updating? |
| 12:29.44 | Corsac | isn't the n9 thinner and larger? |
| 12:29.46 | rantom | And btw, vibration seems to be broken still |
| 12:29.53 | faenil | pros/cons of new fw? |
| 12:30.02 | rantom | Corsac: yes but I have the black cover that come with it so it looks quite similar to the N950 |
| 12:32.04 | rantom | Extremely slow though to swap from Eng to Fin layout on it |
| 12:32.08 | rantom | Swype that is |
| 12:34.28 | faenil | ok |
| 12:34.44 | Summeli | what's new on the N950 update? |
| 12:34.48 | Summeli | I can only see new youtube icon :D |
| 12:35.08 | faenil | Summeli: lol :D hi anyway ^^ |
| 12:35.16 | faenil | Summeli: swype for sure ;) |
| 12:38.34 | mja | gchat without hacking? |
| 12:38.57 | mja | haven't updated yet |
| 12:39.15 | mja | gtalk, I mean |
| 12:39.39 | special | mja: looks like it |
| 12:39.48 | faenil | I have not updated yet, I'm about to flash Nemo on my n950... |
| 12:39.48 | special | "Google" "Mail, chat, and calls" |
| 12:40.00 | mja | special: excellent |
| 12:40.07 | faenil | special: good to know :) |
| 12:40.14 | mja | will remove my hacks then before updating, just in case |
| 12:40.21 | special | testing now |
| 12:43.13 | special | gtalk works great. |
| 12:43.25 | faenil | great |
| 12:43.39 | artemma | n950 update???!!! |
| 12:43.42 | gri | toolbars now drop a shadow, wow |
| 12:43.43 | faenil | yes, OTA |
| 12:43.47 | artemma | Have they released something just now? |
| 12:43.52 | artemma | OTA??? |
| 12:43.55 | faenil | check software update ;) |
| 12:43.55 | neal | nice |
| 12:44.00 | artemma | is looking at his device screen |
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| 12:44.09 | faenil | I haven't updated yet anyway, about to flash Nemo on my n950 xD |
| 12:44.15 | neal | While updaing "Memory low, please close some apps" |
| 12:44.27 | neal | but it's alreadying updating and won't let me do anything :) |
| 12:44.32 | artemma | Does OTA actually work? I mean so that photos and accounts stay intact |
| 12:44.34 | neal | s/alreadying/already/ |
| 12:44.40 | faenil | read about that on twitter, I think u're not the only one :D |
| 12:44.56 | faenil | artemma: don't know... |
| 12:45.08 | artemma | ok, I give it a try :) |
| 12:45.18 | artemma | hopefully one click flasher can help in the extreme case |
| 12:47.00 | artemma | hmm, one click flasher page still mentions beta 2 = http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 12:47.30 | gri | great day: received ups tracking code for my laptop (was two weeks in a repair center), n950 update and only 14 days left until uncharted 3 is released :P |
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| 12:48.02 | faenil | artemma: only OTA atm, afaik |
| 12:48.08 | artemma | interesting |
| 12:48.18 | artemma | so if it fails I need to flash back to beta 2 |
| 12:48.33 | gri | will qt sdk updates follow? |
| 12:48.42 | artemma | it's a pity ota update description doesn't tell much about the changes |
| 12:49.09 | faenil | artemma: yeah.. |
| 12:49.20 | Arkenoi | appears to be not fully compatible with my 32-1, i guess i should reflash with ocf and update -- the question is at which point should i back up and restore? |
| 12:49.29 | gri | artemma, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt |
| 12:50.12 | artemma | gri, thanks! |
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| 12:50.48 | faenil | gri, thanks |
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| 12:51.25 | artemma | swype alone is worth the update. Google chat and flickr - yeah |
| 12:51.35 | gri | * Galaxy on Fire II and Need For Speed Shift are not part of SSU update |
| 12:51.35 | gri | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.37 | gri | ooh :P |
| 12:51.45 | artemma | though may diminish the value of my current flickr related project a lot.. |
| 12:52.03 | faenil | gri: lol |
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| 12:52.49 | artemma | "* Users may get low memory and connectivity messages during the |
| 12:52.49 | artemma | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.54 | elpuri | how the hell does one start the ota update |
| 12:52.54 | artemma | These messages can be ignored. |
| 12:53.00 | elpuri | i can't find it |
| 12:53.03 | elpuri | got beta2 |
| 12:53.14 | faenil | elpuri: in software update screen |
| 12:53.16 | artemma | Settings -> applications |
| 12:53.45 | wazd | MeeCast is in the Store btw :P |
| 12:53.45 | gri | LOL for youtube |
| 12:53.51 | gri | YouTube icon opens browser to youtube mobile site |
| 12:54.03 | artemma | hey, if picasa and flickr and youtube really work, Harmattan starts becoming a good media machine |
| 12:54.03 | evilJazz | Mäh, the OTA update failed on my N950 at around 87%. I am left with a half-updated device. I guess its time to flash again... |
| 12:54.13 | wazd | http://meecast.com/ |
| 12:54.38 | artemma | cool, wazd ! |
| 12:55.18 | artemma | does it show forecast for wind direction/speed? |
| 12:55.22 | Jaffa | wazd: Cool. Is there integration into the widget space at the top right? Looks like it... |
| 12:55.28 | artemma | needs that very often for his flying hobby |
| 12:55.35 | wazd | Jaffa: you bet :P |
| 12:55.46 | wazd | artemma: yep |
| 12:56.01 | Jaffa | wazd: Does that conflict with AccuWeather? (i.e. does that ad-supported shite need uninstalling?) |
| 12:56.06 | artemma | will try it after update finishes |
| 12:56.08 | wazd | Jaffa: But you should uninstall Accuweather first. |
| 12:56.11 | Arkenoi | wonders if keyboard weird autocapitalization issue was fixed |
| 12:56.21 | wazd | Jaffa: there can be only one and stuff :P |
| 12:56.33 | gri | wazd, 13.9 mb? What did you put inside? |
| 12:56.44 | wazd | gri: 3 iconsets |
| 12:56.46 | Jaffa | wazd: cool |
| 12:59.29 | gri | wazd, Why are some parts translated and some not - lazy german translator? |
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| 12:59.50 | wazd | gri: I guess so |
| 13:00.16 | wazd | gri: you can fill the bug and we'll fix it of course |
| 13:00.23 | trx | how's the gsm signal reception with the new update? |
| 13:00.52 | gri | wazd, do you host the translation on transifex? |
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| 13:01.35 | vladest | wow, new fw! |
| 13:01.51 | vladest | what software I can use for backup? |
| 13:02.14 | faenil | vladest: yes, gtalk / swype / picasa / flickr plugins are the main changes |
| 13:04.55 | wazd | gri: sorry, can't answer you right now, but I'll ask our lead |
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| 13:05.57 | mece | 0/ |
| 13:06.00 | mece | o/ even |
| 13:07.00 | faenil | hi mece :) |
| 13:07.22 | mece | anyone having trouble updating n950? |
| 13:07.51 | tomma | 50% not so far |
| 13:08.00 | mece | updating or downloading? |
| 13:08.29 | tomma | updating |
| 13:08.37 | mece | hm mine never leaves 0% for some reason |
| 13:09.00 | neal | mece: Mine took about 20 minutes to leave 0% |
| 13:09.06 | wazd | mece: it's just damn slow |
| 13:09.19 | dominikb | hey! how can i localize the labels of QML TimePickerDialog? HR, MIN, SEC |
| 13:09.22 | mece | well mine sits there for 10 minutes then says update was interrupted. |
| 13:09.26 | jreznik | is downloading, slow rh guest network, should used the faster one (but it means rsa token etc.) - how big the download is? |
| 13:09.33 | evilJazz | mece, yes, the installation of the OTA update aborted at ~87% on my device, probably because the internal storage is almost full. |
| 13:09.36 | faenil | mece: you have beta2? |
| 13:09.42 | mece | yep |
| 13:09.44 | vladest | guys, are you updating thru BB or via ssu? |
| 13:09.47 | Jaffa | wazd: FWIW, Meecast isn't showing an icon on the events screen for me; despite uninstalling AccuWeather before installing it. |
| 13:09.47 | wazd | jreznik: about 250mb |
| 13:09.54 | mece | 278Mb |
| 13:09.59 | gri | found a way to hangup the messaging application with swype and the hw keyboard :) |
| 13:10.07 | wazd | Jaffa: hmmm |
| 13:10.14 | Jaffa | wazd: Trying a reboot |
| 13:10.20 | wazd | Jaffa: can you try to reboot? |
| 13:10.26 | wazd | Jaffa: :P |
| 13:11.25 | jreznik | ah, it's even slower... |
| 13:11.50 | mece | hmm looks like it's taking a longer time to get interrupted now. *fingers crossed* |
| 13:12.11 | mece | ah dammit. Interrupted again. |
| 13:12.23 | faenil | xD |
| 13:12.28 | mece | is there a way to delete the previously downloaded tmp stuff and download again I wonder |
| 13:12.35 | jreznik | 3g is much more faster than our rh internal wifi, just my fup is screaming :D |
| 13:13.47 | Jaffa | wazd: Reboot didn't help |
| 13:13.52 | gri | "Swipe Manager" from ovi store does not work anymore after the update |
| 13:14.23 | gri | the program starts but changing settings does not have any effect |
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| 13:15.02 | kkito | hello |
| 13:15.08 | tomma | swipe manager? |
| 13:15.31 | gri | tomma, an application where you can configure what happens if you swipe the screen from a certain direction |
| 13:15.35 | kkito | updating n950... |
| 13:16.18 | artemma | hopes that email client in the updates won't loose lot's of typed in text anymore |
| 13:16.27 | wazd | Jaffa: :( |
| 13:16.45 | tomma | did you notice that "closing with swipe from up to down" works ny using device orientation and not application window |
| 13:16.45 | mece | wtf |
| 13:16.52 | wazd | Jaffa: the last thing I can suggest is uninstall meecast - reboot - install meecast |
| 13:16.53 | mece | download was just 313kB |
| 13:17.08 | faenil | tomma: yes.. |
| 13:17.20 | artemma | firmware download completed! Hitting the Continue button |
| 13:17.22 | faenil | tomma: it has always been so hasn't it? |
| 13:17.36 | wazd | damn, the update is really damn slow |
| 13:17.38 | mece | I did download the whole 278Mb before but now it was just 313kb. |
| 13:17.41 | kkito | how much MB is the update? |
| 13:17.47 | kkito | ok |
| 13:17.47 | tomma | no, it used application window orientation |
| 13:17.48 | mece | 278 |
| 13:17.49 | kkito | :D |
| 13:17.53 | wazd | still 45% |
| 13:18.02 | gri | angry birds is now localized :P |
| 13:18.10 | kkito | there is oneclickflasher with the new update? |
| 13:18.39 | mece | should one update the apps first? I have a bunch of updates waiting from the repos |
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| 13:20.30 | wazd | Mece: I've skipped them |
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| 13:21.19 | Jaffa | wazd: will try that |
| 13:21.29 | gri | wow |
| 13:21.41 | gri | the twitter app now got the cool MList scroller |
| 13:21.44 | Stskeeps | wazd: did you ever get anywhere with that qml-mer-thing btw? |
| 13:21.51 | gri | wonder how they did that with qml |
| 13:21.56 | Kaadlajk | it might be that you cant update the apps before installing the fw update |
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| 13:22.17 | Kaadlajk | sometimes seems to happen |
| 13:22.55 | leinir | gri: still scrolls down automatically, which makes the app really annoying to use... |
| 13:23.20 | Jaffa | wazd: BTW, since this is going to have me re-enter my stations (I guess); two things: case insensitive matching (e.g. "United kingdom") and trimming spaces (e.g. "London ") |
| 13:23.26 | mece | well I haven't tried installing the other updates yet |
| 13:24.17 | gri | leinir, I'm only interested in the scroller which I want in my application :) |
| 13:24.33 | leinir | gri: scroll decorator? :) |
| 13:24.56 | gri | leinir, The "cool" scroller which shows "yesterday" "last week" |
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| 13:25.05 | gri | like now available in "Gallery" |
| 13:25.30 | wazd | Jaffa: I guess it's the problem of data provider's db but we'll try to fix as many mugs as we can |
| 13:25.36 | gri | or did I miss that functionality of scroll decorator? |
| 13:25.40 | wazd | bugs* |
| 13:25.44 | leinir | gri: SectionScroller? |
| 13:25.51 | leinir | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-sectionscroller.html?tab=0 |
| 13:26.07 | Jaffa | wazd: No, I'm guessing it's a problem with you matching against the data you've already loaded |
| 13:26.45 | gri | leinir, that might be the thing - haven't seen this before, only knew MList did show this - thanks! |
| 13:27.03 | leinir | gri: you're welcome :) Do tell if that's actually the one ;) |
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| 13:33.27 | gri | accuweather tells me "Tyskland" instead of Germany :) |
| 13:35.15 | artemma | 35% and counting.. |
| 13:35.29 | wazd | ooh, it's done |
| 13:36.03 | artemma | wonders if twitter supports photo uploads eventually. And lists too |
| 13:36.24 | nibbler | is feeling lucky and hits the OTA-update-button. |
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| 13:36.45 | gri | artemma, there is a "choose image" button in the "tweet" dialog |
| 13:37.08 | artemma | I wonder if I should have a coin around for checking his level of luck before pushing "I am feeling lucky" button :) |
| 13:37.22 | artemma | sounds totally like photo update, gri! |
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| 13:42.29 | mece | can one install with apt instead I wonder |
| 13:43.10 | mece | mp-harmattan-rm680-pr has broken dependencies, it says... |
| 13:46.09 | mece | uh oh. I'm guessing this will end in failure and reflash. Oh well. |
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| 13:48.01 | mece | Thos of you with the new firmware could perhaps do apt-get update; apt-get install gof2 :) |
| 13:49.06 | leinir | gri: certainly an improvement :) a shame about the sharing not being there, but, i'm led to understand that one's coming too :) |
| 13:50.11 | leinir | still kind of facepalm about the app itself, mind you, updating posts in the twitter app should /not/ scroll down the list... it just makes reading a twitter stream so inconvenient :P |
| 13:50.22 | artemma | 71% so far.. |
| 13:50.49 | gri | wtf, gof2 and nfsshift = 222 MB |
| 13:50.58 | mece | :) |
| 13:51.01 | faenil | gri: what did you think? P |
| 13:51.05 | leinir | gri: that's mostly gof2 ;) |
| 13:51.12 | mgedmin | lots of textures, eh? |
| 13:51.17 | leinir | lots of voices :) |
| 13:51.21 | mece | gof2 is pretty |
| 13:51.31 | leinir | Oh yes, /very/ pretty :) |
| 13:51.32 | mgedmin | and addictive |
| 13:51.41 | gri | never heard of it before |
| 13:51.47 | mgedmin | and nostalgic -- I used to play Elite on MS-DOS... |
| 13:51.51 | artemma | it went to flight mode around 84% and asked for wifi connection in a flight mode.. |
| 13:51.54 | leinir | just makes me even more sad there's no hdmi out, because that thing on my house mate's 42" telly... awwwyeah ;) |
| 13:52.09 | mgedmin | yeah, the analog video cable doesn't do it justice |
| 13:52.13 | mece | so as I was failing with stuff I did apt-get install mp-harmattan-rm680-pr |
| 13:52.36 | mece | which failed, then I did apt-get install libxml2=versionnumberprwanted |
| 13:52.41 | mece | and then things started happening. |
| 13:52.47 | mece | let's see how it ends up. |
| 13:53.11 | mece | seems to be upgrading some 500 packages at least. |
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| 13:53.39 | gri | even after installing the update, apt-get upgrade suggests: developer-mode develsh devtools-utilities libsocial-contacts-actions sdk-connectivity-tool |
| 13:54.44 | mece | gri, those show up in the regular manage applications updates too |
| 13:55.22 | gri | oh, for me they didn't - clicked "install all updates" before |
| 13:58.06 | jreznik | download is failing for me... |
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| 13:59.21 | deimos_ | jreznik: for me too... trying to delete /var/cache/apt/archive could be a good idea ? |
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| 13:59.39 | mece | anyone tried to apt-get install the skype plugin? |
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| 14:01.06 | artemma | if I add google account via google account, is it the same as via mail for exchange? |
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| 14:01.17 | khertan | Hello |
| 14:01.20 | artemma | wants to continue syncing with google calendar |
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| 14:01.44 | khertan | is ranting about the slow download of the pr1.1 |
| 14:01.46 | khertan | :) |
| 14:02.00 | khertan | 1Mb in 10 minutes |
| 14:04.15 | mece | wow this really takes a while... |
| 14:04.20 | khertan | yep |
| 14:04.32 | alterego | doing update .... |
| 14:04.49 | khertan | did you know the size of the update ? |
| 14:04.53 | mece | I got the download working, but the update failed. Tried several times, so now I'm doing it with apt. |
| 14:04.55 | khertan | (ota) |
| 14:04.59 | mece | khertan, 278Mb |
| 14:05.00 | alterego | Mine has already downloaded, it's been stuck on 0% for a while though |
| 14:05.03 | khertan | oh my god |
| 14:05.18 | mece | alterego, mine was at 0% 5 minutes or so then was "interrupted" |
| 14:05.19 | khertan | it ll take 2780 min |
| 14:05.22 | jreznik | it works now - on 3g, on internal rh wifi it fails constantly |
| 14:05.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:05.37 | alterego | Well, I'll wait and see then. |
| 14:05.41 | mece | alterego, but they say it takes a long time at 0% even when successful |
| 14:05.50 | mece | 20 minutes was mentioned before |
| 14:06.17 | alterego | Heh, great ... |
| 14:06.27 | alterego | Shouldn't have bothered with ota then. |
| 14:06.35 | alterego | Or waited until I had wifi. |
| 14:06.35 | mece | is there an alternative? |
| 14:06.52 | alterego | Ooo, 1% |
| 14:06.56 | alterego | :) |
| 14:07.00 | mece | milestone!½ |
| 14:07.05 | alterego | 2? |
| 14:07.12 | alterego | We're moving now! |
| 14:07.48 | alterego | Strange that even though it knows it's 2% it's too lazy to fill in the progress bar :) |
| 14:08.02 | alterego | mem warning :) |
| 14:08.16 | alterego | I probably should have closed all the apps first |
| 14:08.32 | khertan | wouhou 9.1Mb downloaded |
| 14:08.39 | khertan | ... grrr |
| 14:08.45 | alterego | 5% |
| 14:08.47 | alterego | :) |
| 14:08.51 | jreznik | installing... |
| 14:08.54 | alterego | makes a cup of tea |
| 14:09.54 | khertan | 9.2Mb ... |
| 14:10.06 | mece | khertan, any minute now! |
| 14:10.59 | khertan | lol ... rollback to 8.8Mb |
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| 14:12.11 | khertan | 18kb |
| 14:12.14 | khertan | mouarf ... |
| 14:12.16 | khertan | failed |
| 14:13.50 | khertan | lol it s faster in 3g |
| 14:13.54 | nibbler | beta2 -> PR1.1 via OTA was successful and apparently i didn't even lose data. |
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| 14:15.06 | alterego | 25% updating quicker now :) |
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| 14:32.34 | kkito | are there any release notes for the new update? |
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| 14:33.23 | mece | kkito, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt |
| 14:33.50 | macmaN | wooohaaa its out!? |
| 14:34.08 | kkito | mece: thx :) |
| 14:34.15 | ravi | I was just checking whether it's out or not! |
| 14:34.38 | mece | looks like I have to reflash :( |
| 14:35.20 | mece | libarchive version is wrong so I can't install mp-harmatan-rm680-pr and I can't downgrade to proper version because aegis prevents it. |
| 14:36.10 | RST38h | Is it out folks??? |
| 14:36.16 | RST38h | Yes? YES? |
| 14:36.41 | ravi | it's OTA |
| 14:36.59 | macmaN | hmmmm |
| 14:37.13 | macmaN | its unclear from relnotes whether it clears your device or not |
| 14:37.31 | alterego | goes super fast when it hit's 59 pct |
| 14:37.32 | kkito | do you know if is it possible to install needforspeed and galaxy on fire ? |
| 14:37.48 | tomma | just installed devmode etc and now it wants to update them =/ |
| 14:37.51 | kkito | because those games are not in the OTA update |
| 14:37.53 | alterego | kkito: apt-get install gof2 nfs |
| 14:37.59 | kkito | aaah nice! :) |
| 14:38.03 | tomma | pkgmgr install |
| 14:38.07 | alterego | finished :) |
| 14:38.16 | Arkenoi | twitter, store, facebook and drive do not upgrade for me, i get message that those are "incompatible with other applications". everything else seems to update fine.. or is it? i installed all available app updates and did apt-get upgrade after that. and my version is still 32-1 |
| 14:39.05 | mece | Arkenoi, you need to install new firmware first |
| 14:39.06 | RST38h | Looks like you do not get games when doing OTA |
| 14:39.13 | alterego | Should probably do the upgrade first ;) |
| 14:39.17 | mece | RST38h, apt-get install gof2 nfsshift |
| 14:39.19 | RST38h | Need to flash in order to get GoF and NfS |
| 14:39.25 | RST38h | mece: Really? |
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| 14:39.32 | mece | really. |
| 14:39.33 | alterego | RST38h: yup |
| 14:39.37 | RST38h | yahoos |
| 14:39.44 | RST38h | moo, fiferboy |
| 14:39.45 | mece | is backing up his crap |
| 14:40.17 | RST38h | mece: if it is OTA, why back up? =) |
| 14:40.41 | mece | RST38h, it fails for me, and I messed it up with apt. |
| 14:40.48 | Arkenoi | did not get ota from 32-1 |
| 14:42.11 | evilJazz | hrmm, Settings -> About product tells me I've got PR1.1 (1.2011.34-2_PR_RM680) installed. That can't be right, can it? |
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| 14:43.44 | alterego | 39-5 is what you're looking for |
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| 14:44.49 | macmaN | ok OTA found updates |
| 14:45.03 | macmaN | "backup is recommended" so i guess its not mandatory |
| 14:45.06 | lfranchi | what's the version of beta2 that i need to get the OTA update?i'm not seeing it, and about tells me i have 1.2011.34-2_PR_RM680, is that up to date enough? |
| 14:45.26 | vadimq | Hi :-) I'm pondering the N9. I'm told there's something called Aegis on it that restricts what root can do. Can it be disabled? How modifiable is the phone? For instance is it possible to load a custom kernel/modules on it? |
| 14:45.50 | Arkenoi | RST38h, does keyboard behave ok now? |
| 14:45.53 | macmaN | vadimq: forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
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| 14:46.33 | mgedmin | lfranchi, yes, that's beta 2 (beta 1 was 22-6, beta 2 is 34-2) |
| 14:46.47 | mgedmin | for comparison, the n9 final firmware is 10.2011-34-1_PR_001 |
| 14:46.47 | lfranchi | mgedmin: cheers. i'll wait a bit for some notification |
| 14:48.04 | mgedmin | the OTA update for the n950 is 2.2001.39-5 |
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| 14:48.27 | lfranchi | cool |
| 14:48.29 | mgedmin | and I also see a bunch of app updates (Twitter, Store, Ovi Music, Maps, Drive, Angry Birds, AccuWeather) that are independent of it, hmm |
| 14:48.34 | mgedmin | let me try "update all" |
| 14:48.37 | lfranchi | hmm, where should i be seeing updates? |
| 14:48.56 | mgedmin | Settings -> Applications -> Install (I think?) |
| 14:49.03 | mgedmin | there are two tabs on the bottom: one Applications, one Updates |
| 14:49.15 | mgedmin | go to Updates, press the Refresh icon on the top-left if it doesn't offer you one |
| 14:49.38 | lfranchi | aha, i see |
| 14:49.49 | lfranchi | man that is deep in there :) |
| 14:49.49 | mgedmin | aah, "update all" fails all updates because the base system is too old; I must update the OS separately at the top first, I think |
| 14:50.13 | lfranchi | updates |
| 14:50.31 | macmaN | hrm. looks like this MeeGo update is pretty big to download in a cafe. |
| 14:50.48 | macmaN | doing it at home 4MB/sec sounds a bit better |
| 14:51.54 | mgedmin | the updater also recommends you to plug in the charger, if the battery isn't full |
| 14:51.55 | faenil | yup |
| 14:52.11 | crevetor | macmaN: it's around 200MB |
| 14:52.29 | macmaN | oh. ok thats manageable ive already got 60MB. |
| 14:52.35 | mece | hehehe "When you connect the cable, the device switches on automatically and the magical flashing sequence starts." |
| 14:52.37 | jreznik | quite hot after update but looks like it already restarted |
| 14:52.39 | mece | magical indeed :D |
| 14:53.12 | khertan | download failed |
| 14:53.13 | khertan | pfff |
| 14:53.21 | macmaN | oh noes |
| 14:53.32 | macmaN | at what point |
| 14:53.57 | khertan | 10Ko ... then 12Mo ... then 64Mo |
| 14:53.57 | fiferboy | Hi RST38h |
| 14:53.58 | khertan | i'm trying since 15h00 |
| 14:54.05 | khertan | (gmt+1) |
| 14:54.23 | macmaN | mhm, i rememeber 34-2 was a nightmare to download, total cdn fail |
| 14:54.55 | khertan | worse via wifi at works |
| 14:55.00 | khertan | 1Ko/s |
| 14:55.28 | khertan | and seems now that my phone isp downgrade me to 2G |
| 14:55.31 | khertan | .... grrrr |
| 14:56.09 | khertan | the most funny is that sometime ota can said 9,9Mb and then roll back to 2.7Mb |
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| 14:56.28 | RST38h | khertan: it is different packages |
| 14:56.34 | RST38h | it shows you size for each package |
| 14:56.52 | RST38h | wonders if apt-get upgrade will do the same thing as OTA |
| 14:56.58 | Arkenoi | how do i force check for os upgrade? seems that i got all apps update that do not depend on OS, but how do i upgrade the system? |
| 14:57.05 | Arkenoi | RST38h, nope, just did it |
| 14:57.30 | mece | Arkenoi, settings-applications-manage applications->updates |
| 14:57.37 | mece | and refresh there |
| 14:58.26 | fiferboy | This has probably already been covered, but is ssh disabled for root by default now? |
| 14:58.39 | Arkenoi | mece: only apps updates, no OS |
| 14:58.58 | kkito | oh, i get an uknown error when adding a google account :( |
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| 14:59.52 | macmaN | i wonder if skype ui is in 39-5 now |
| 14:59.56 | macmaN | not mentioned in relnotes |
| 15:00.00 | mece | I hear it's not. |
| 15:01.01 | mgedmin | fiferboy, define "now" please? |
| 15:01.49 | kkito | It seems that it is not possible to add a google account which its username is not @gmail.com |
| 15:01.49 | mgedmin | on all firmwares I've tested, ssh for root was enabled iff the developer mode was enabled in settings -> security |
| 15:02.14 | cos^ | "memory low, close some apps" when updating with 0 running apps |
| 15:02.34 | macmaN | cos^: i noticed i got that when free disk space ran below 1gb |
| 15:02.42 | macmaN | i dont think thats a ram issue |
| 15:02.43 | tomma | yeah and those can be ignored |
| 15:02.50 | macmaN | or theyve dumbed it down for dumbusers |
| 15:02.59 | macmaN | everythings is memories! |
| 15:03.37 | mgedmin | I had "memory low" when I copied a few gigs of files over usb |
| 15:03.42 | mgedmin | the thumnailer was hungry |
| 15:03.49 | mgedmin | or maybe the indexer |
| 15:04.14 | cos^ | i only have only a couple of extra apps installed.. not sure what's the warning about |
| 15:04.30 | mgedmin | RAM usage |
| 15:04.43 | mgedmin | did anyone notice that the N9 has over 800 megs of used RAM right after bootup? |
| 15:04.46 | mece | mgedmin, I'm getting that every 10 seconds now when I'm backing up my files... |
| 15:05.06 | mgedmin | *all* the builtin apps are running silently in the background with command lines mentioning --prestart |
| 15:05.17 | mgedmin | to make them appear to launch quickly when you use the app launcher, I suppose |
| 15:06.59 | khertan | yeah ... it s eat all memory |
| 15:07.03 | khertan | stupid idea |
| 15:07.16 | khertan | specially for user which didn't use this prestarted app |
| 15:07.34 | khertan | the result is that opening fennec (which eat too much memory too) |
| 15:07.39 | khertan | prevent you to open other apps |
| 15:08.38 | Arkenoi | mece: so if it is not there i have no option other than reflash? |
| 15:09.01 | Arkenoi | do backups work properly, i mean, everything gets restored including things installed directly via .deb? |
| 15:09.05 | mece | Arkenoi, no idea. I'm reflashing because I messed things up myself with apt. |
| 15:09.20 | cos^ | i wonder why no-one has coded a "smart" preloader which would preload the apps that user really uses |
| 15:09.22 | mece | Arkenoi, I wouldn't bet on it. I'm backing up my MyDocs |
| 15:09.23 | mgedmin | no, if you installed something from a .deb, you won't get it magically back |
| 15:09.31 | mgedmin | you'll have to reinstall it |
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| 15:11.29 | mgedmin | ha ha now I'm getting "memory low" every 10 seconds |
| 15:11.34 | mgedmin | no apps are running, just the updater itself |
| 15:11.40 | mgedmin | and it's still downloading |
| 15:11.56 | cos^ | success. |
| 15:12.04 | Arkenoi | hates to reflash but seems it won't update without ot |
| 15:12.17 | khertan | can't download it |
| 15:12.19 | khertan | a real pain |
| 15:12.27 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Since the firmware update today |
| 15:12.30 | mgedmin | #firstworldproblems |
| 15:12.59 | fiferboy | mgedmin: I have developer mode enabled, but I haven't rebooted since the developer packages were installed |
| 15:13.19 | mgedmin | is still updating to 39-5 |
| 15:16.19 | Arkenoi | is 39-5 available via ocf? |
| 15:17.11 | mgedmin | ocf? |
| 15:17.24 | Arkenoi | one click flasher |
| 15:17.31 | mgedmin | I heard it was going to be |
| 15:17.43 | mgedmin | oh joy: update sat at 0% for a long time, and now claims update failed: update interruptede |
| 15:19.22 | mece | mgedmin, fun times. I had that same thing |
| 15:19.26 | mgedmin | n9 developers blog says: "Currently it is available over the air, withcorresponding oneclickflasher-tools available later" |
| 15:20.11 | mgedmin | oh noes now it is downloading the entire 200 meg monstrocity all over again |
| 15:20.12 | macmaN | mgedmin: mine is at 8% right now |
| 15:20.13 | mgedmin | (and fails) |
| 15:20.33 | Arkenoi | well, i will probably wait for ocf because i do not want to install beta2 first |
| 15:20.42 | macmaN | why |
| 15:20.55 | mgedmin | Arkenoi, that's why the OTA wasn't offered for you! |
| 15:21.25 | frals | you need beta2 to get it OTA so.. |
| 15:21.26 | mece | Arkenoi, yeah you need beta 2 for OTA. |
| 15:21.39 | Arkenoi | macmaN, i need ocf anyways to install beta2, so it is extra step when something may break |
| 15:21.54 | mgedmin | but you need to flash beta 2, so waiting for the OCF makes perfect sense |
| 15:22.21 | mece | ouff I'm regretting doing the stupid backup over wlan.. takes ages |
| 15:28.15 | nibbler | any idea how to use F-keys in terminal? like e.g. F5 |
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| 15:31.31 | jreznik | feels much more slower, trying restart |
| 15:32.43 | npm | just to make sure, that over-the-air "device update" from today shouldn't be installed on a beta0 device, right? |
| 15:32.48 | gri | tracker has to rebuild indexes, so expect a slow down for 10 minutes after the update |
| 15:32.49 | npm | reflash to beta1 right |
| 15:32.50 | npm | ? |
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| 15:33.16 | npm | or is that belief a result of cargo-cultism? |
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| 15:34.11 | npm | shakes SCSI-1 cable at angry sea |
| 15:34.35 | gri | npm, only from beta2 possible |
| 15:34.48 | khertan | would like to shakes the 3G cable but ... there is no cable |
| 15:35.06 | npm | gri thanks for the confirm |
| 15:35.10 | macmaN | update at 46%. still praying. |
| 15:35.25 | gri | npm, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/10/14/new-release-of-the-nokia-n950-software-is-coming-soon...-prepare |
| 15:35.27 | gri | "To enable a smooth upgrade to the new image N950 users should ensure that they have the latest release of the firmware on their devices (34-2 or Beta2) - SSU will fail with Beta1" |
| 15:35.29 | npm | is not allowing myself an update until my .deb is in ovi store |
| 15:36.00 | npm | or at least in validation |
| 15:36.28 | mgedmin | "update interrupted" again |
| 15:36.54 | mgedmin | ok, new plan: I will reboot, then try updating |
| 15:36.56 | npm | one of my rules of cargocultism is never update first :-) |
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| 15:38.55 | npm | watch everybody else suffer first, then shake my SCSI-I cable at angry sea and say "Hasa Diga Eebowai" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm6MowcttHc ) |
| 15:39.45 | Lilltiger | Anyone tried to get the ARM version of XBMC to run on the N9? |
| 15:40.54 | macmaN | Lilltiger: lol, still at it huh |
| 15:41.09 | macmaN | get scratchboxz and try to build it |
| 15:42.33 | Lilltiger | macmaN: No free time :( |
| 15:42.56 | macmaN | are there any arm tickets on xbmc.org? |
| 15:43.34 | Lilltiger | there are some, and there was an N900 version, but not much info about it (and cant find that version now) |
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| 15:47.48 | mgedmin | can't update my n950, it always fails -- and no reason is given |
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| 15:49.10 | macmaN | updating - 100% |
| 15:49.25 | macmaN | for some reason at 85% it claimed it was in flight mode and asked if i wanted to turn wifi on |
| 15:49.39 | macmaN | oh f noes |
| 15:49.45 | macmaN | update interrupted |
| 15:49.47 | mgedmin | I think the updater turns wifi off |
| 15:50.11 | macmaN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.21 | macmaN | oh great and now it self-rebooted too |
| 15:50.42 | macmaN | this doesnt sound good. i wonder if it can boot now |
| 15:51.04 | nibbler | hmm. i don't see the status line in the all three main screens with PR. used to be there in beta2. is this intended? does anybody else have one there? i can still "click" it, then it appears and the menu with connectivity/volume/profile slides out. |
| 15:51.12 | vadimq | Oh, another question: IMO one of the biggest problems of the N900 is that part of the root filesystem got moved from the internal flash to eMMC, which doesn't have reliable writes. As a result filesystem corruption is near guaranteed if the battery is removed when on, for instance. Is this fixed on N9? |
| 15:51.25 | nibbler | (with N950 PR1.1) |
| 15:51.29 | Stskeeps | vadimq: all of it is on emmc |
| 15:51.40 | Stskeeps | vadimq: and you can't take out the battery of a n950/n9 that easily |
| 15:52.20 | macmaN | ok circles are spreading now.. |
| 15:52.35 | macmaN | nokiawavylogo |
| 15:52.45 | macmaN | i think its alive |
| 15:53.33 | macmaN | ok youtube app is new |
| 15:53.58 | macmaN | nfs and gof nowhere to be seen |
| 15:54.33 | macmaN | what the heck is that blue icon in status bar now |
| 15:55.00 | macmaN | well at least it thinks it is 39-5 per about screen |
| 15:55.18 | trx | means that you have some updates available i guess |
| 15:55.25 | trx | (the blue icon) |
| 15:55.42 | macmaN | ok true |
| 15:56.00 | macmaN | its strange that you cannot react to it from outside lock screen |
| 15:56.43 | vadimq | Stskeeps: I think letting it run out of power sometimes does that too. Here's what results: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67760 |
| 15:56.45 | macmaN | i would expect the status screen to provide some control for that |
| 15:57.51 | Stskeeps | vadimq: bme will shut down long before that |
| 16:00.02 | macmaN | is there some fix for twitter not showing up in Home feeds anymore |
| 16:00.21 | Arkenoi | wonders if motoactv may be hacked to be used like metawatch |
| 16:06.08 | gri | macmaN, Settings -> Notifications -> Feed view -> twitter ? |
| 16:06.20 | gri | (don't know the exact words, my menu is german) |
| 16:07.17 | alterego | Can't log in as root since update ffs |
| 16:07.26 | alterego | How am I supposed to apt-get .. |
| 16:07.51 | gri | log in as user/developer and devel-su does also not work? |
| 16:08.25 | alterego | devel-su hrmm .. :) |
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| 16:09.06 | alterego | interesting :) |
| 16:09.19 | alterego | yeah, that works, with the right pw too |
| 16:10.40 | mgedmin | gives up on the update |
| 16:12.53 | gri | alterego, the update might have updated the ssh server which changed default config to permit root login: no? |
| 16:15.18 | Kaadlajk | mgedmin: you should be able to try update from command line also |
| 16:15.31 | mgedmin | hm |
| 16:16.10 | Kaadlajk | apt-get update and then try what apt-cache policy mp-harmattan-001-pr says |
| 16:17.39 | Kaadlajk | killall pkgmgrd before that so apt-get update might actually work |
| 16:19.03 | lardman | hey chaps, any ideas on how to work out what's going wrong with a QAbstractItemModel being exported to QML? I've tried displaying the .count property of the object in the QML code and get "underfined" |
| 16:20.01 | gri | lardman, it does not have a .count property by default |
| 16:20.15 | gri | ListView has one |
| 16:20.41 | lardman | gri: ah, I was wondering that |
| 16:20.56 | gri | that's pretty stupid if you try to use a model without a view |
| 16:21.11 | lardman | gri: well I have a view, but it displays nothing |
| 16:21.19 | lardman | so the question is whether the model contains data or not |
| 16:21.21 | gri | you also have to add methods for accessing data from certain lines |
| 16:22.00 | lardman | so that it can be editted from the QML code you mean? |
| 16:22.08 | lardman | I only need to display the model contents |
| 16:22.31 | gri | no, if you want to use it without a view, you have to add some more methods like getContent(int row) |
| 16:23.05 | gri | for your test, console.log'ing the listview's count property should be enaugh |
| 16:23.14 | Milhouse | just updated the n950, now can't ssh in as root - anyone got the same? password rootme just gives "Permission denied". can still login as root using devel-su, password rootme... is sshd buggered? |
| 16:24.25 | mgedmin | Milhouse, you're not the only one reporting this |
| 16:24.45 | mgedmin | can you check if /etc/ssh/sshd.conf has something like PermitRootLogin off or something? |
| 16:25.17 | gri | my config and login fails |
| 16:25.21 | gri | config permits* |
| 16:25.43 | Milhouse | has anyone had success adding a twitter account to a freshly updated n950? |
| 16:26.36 | Milhouse | Facebook and Google worked each time at the second attempt (first attempts failed "Can't connect to Facebook/Google respectively), but twitter fails every time (Can't connect to twitter - this is really getting old). |
| 16:26.46 | lardman | gri: cool, that returns 0 |
| 16:27.15 | gri | lardman, you can also fetch signals of your model since every model has "onRowsInserted" and "onRowsRemoved" |
| 16:28.20 | gri | or simply introduce a count property on the model by hand :) |
| 16:28.26 | macmaN | hrm. no skype ui indeed. |
| 16:28.55 | macmaN | Milhouse: i just ssh-d into my phone as user@ just fine |
| 16:29.13 | artemma | Hey, no skype in the update yet! |
| 16:29.33 | Milhouse | user... hmm... didn't think you could ssh in as user - what password? |
| 16:29.33 | macmaN | but yeah root@ gets permission denied |
| 16:29.58 | artemma | I wonder if Google account syncs calendar as well (it doesn't look so) |
| 16:30.10 | macmaN | of course you can, its unix after all |
| 16:30.20 | artemma | so I'll probably keep GMail + Calendar coming via Mail for Exchange and use Google account for chat only |
| 16:30.35 | macmaN | Milhouse: leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/07/25/n950-tip-enable-ssh-usern950-with-public-key-authentication/ |
| 16:30.36 | mgedmin | well, by default the user account is locked |
| 16:31.00 | Milhouse | macmaN: I've never logged in to user with a password, only cert. no idea what the password would be. |
| 16:31.21 | macmaN | Milhouse: password is irrelevant, just use pki |
| 16:31.25 | gri | the password can be set from root "passwd user" |
| 16:31.27 | Milhouse | and yes, it's always been locked... hence why I tend to login as root with a password |
| 16:31.54 | macmaN | ok since when has firefox stopped putting protocol in urlbar |
| 16:31.59 | Milhouse | macmaN: i do. so back to root... mines buggered. :( |
| 16:32.10 | Milhouse | reckon it must be sshd |
| 16:32.27 | artemma | Have you updated devtools? There are updates |
| 16:33.06 | Milhouse | artemma: um... ooh maybe not... just did the os update. guess that doesn't update the other apps as well? yes, that *could* be it, i guess... :) |
| 16:33.20 | artemma | good luck with it! |
| 16:33.32 | macmaN | ok apt-get install gof2 seems to work |
| 16:33.34 | Milhouse | thanks! |
| 16:37.16 | merlin1991 | I kinda like the system that you have to set up a temporary pw to deploy your key, makes more sense when using the device in public wireless |
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| 16:37.57 | mgedmin | this might be why they finally disabled the default root backdoor with a well-known password |
| 16:38.30 | Milhouse | has it been disabled? |
| 16:38.49 | Milhouse | though doing so in non-developer mode would make sense |
| 16:40.06 | merlin1991 | hm but I just logged in into my n9 as root with pw, w00t? |
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| 16:41.19 | macmaN | adding yt account gives unknown error |
| 16:42.40 | macmaN | trying to add yt account with google login gives incorrect l/p |
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| 16:43.36 | Milhouse | balls... still can't ssh in as root (rebooted too) |
| 16:44.16 | Milhouse | twitter is still twatted |
| 16:48.47 | mgedmin | yes, ssh root@n9 works fine (after you enable developer mode) |
| 16:48.49 | merlin1991 | why on earth does sshd refuse my key when the account has an "invalid" pw using passwd -l root? |
| 16:49.00 | mgedmin | people are reporting that ssh root@n950 fails with today's firmware update |
| 16:49.03 | merlin1991 | at least according to passwd man login over key should still be possible |
| 16:49.25 | mgedmin | vi /etc/passwd and :%s/^user:!/user:*/ |
| 16:51.43 | merlin1991 | strange, seems like the debian man doesn't apply to harmattan |
| 16:51.57 | merlin1991 | but removing the pass with -d disables pw auth but keeps key auth alive |
| 16:52.28 | npm | merlin1991: make sure the directory privs for ~/.ssh and all subdirs are good |
| 16:52.50 | merlin1991 | npm I just stated that it works fine |
| 16:52.51 | mgedmin | "* Application close by swiping from top to bottom is now always on." say the release notes |
| 16:53.15 | mgedmin | I'm not sure how I feel about that |
| 16:53.22 | merlin1991 | but for some reason the ususal way of locking an account and still using keys didn't work |
| 16:53.26 | npm | ok well never mind then :-) |
| 16:53.27 | mgedmin | I've tried swipe-to-close and disabled it after a few days on my N9 |
| 16:53.44 | mgedmin | with random portrait-locked apps it's too easy to accidentally close something you had no intention of closing |
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| 16:54.50 | npm | how do you activate swipe to close, out of curiosity? |
| 16:54.57 | npm | i mean what gesture |
| 16:55.00 | merlin1991 | settings, device, display |
| 16:55.07 | merlin1991 | swipe from top to bottoom |
| 16:55.24 | npm | ah, good, i'm safe |
| 16:55.53 | merlin1991 | I got another question though, is there some way to access the power savings option of the wifi chip? |
| 16:56.08 | merlin1991 | on the n900 you could set power saving mode per ssid |
| 16:56.31 | Milhouse | anyone know why facebook and google presence always fails with "Invalid Password", but works when you manually force it to go online? Been like this since Beta2... |
| 16:56.38 | Milhouse | thinking i might go back to beta2 actually |
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| 16:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | Milhouse, Facebook is for chumps. :P |
| 17:02.13 | merlin1991 | the qml facebook app locks for me 50% of the time, but as GeneralAntilles said fb is for chumps :D |
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| 17:06.57 | Milhouse | GAN: I know, but I only set it up to test on the n950! And it don't work... quell suprise. |
| 17:07.24 | Milhouse | neither does twatter, and google talk isn't looking good either |
| 17:07.39 | npm | is escape() sufficient to prevent users from doing bad things while storing data to sqlite database? |
| 17:07.54 | npm | (in QML) |
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| 17:08.56 | npm | why users would want to hack their own mysqlite database on their device is beyond me, i just want to prevent errors when i store the results of "edit" and save. |
| 17:08.56 | Milhouse | gotta love the contacts app - trying to add a contact, but it says it's a duplicate of an existing contact, do i want to merge yes or no. click no, it tosses my new contact and i lose all edits. brilliant. |
| 17:09.27 | Milhouse | plus, it's not a friking duplicate. |
| 17:09.48 | mgedmin | npm, surely the QML API uses parametrized queries! |
| 17:09.56 | mgedmin | what is the API, exactly? |
| 17:10.33 | mgedmin | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeglobalobject.html#database-api |
| 17:10.37 | mgedmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.43 | mgedmin | yep, parametrized queries |
| 17:10.51 | mgedmin | no escape() necessary here |
| 17:11.04 | mgedmin | I wonder if escape() might be needed when displaying data, though |
| 17:11.39 | mgedmin | (besides, HTML-escaping has nothing whatsoever to do with SQL) |
| 17:11.49 | macmaN | so no way to apt-get skype ui? |
| 17:12.33 | Milhouse | i dread to think this is what shipped on the n9 - can't be, surely. |
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| 17:18.45 | macmaN | nfs and gof2 are pretty impressive gfx wise |
| 17:18.52 | macmaN | or maybe i havent seen a mobile game lately at all |
| 17:18.52 | scifig | Is there a one click flasher available for PR 1.1? |
| 17:19.02 | scifig | I messed up my update |
| 17:19.05 | macmaN | oh and now gof2 just crashed |
| 17:20.26 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.07 | dm8tbr | scifig: pr1.1? |
| 17:21.56 | Milhouse | dm8tbr: PR1.1 for N950 http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt |
| 17:22.22 | scifig | yes, for the version that released today. I think I messed up the OTA update. |
| 17:22.42 | Milhouse | i think I'll be needing the oneclick flasher too. |
| 17:22.47 | dm8tbr | oh, interesting... |
| 17:22.58 | dm8tbr | 39-5 hmmm |
| 17:23.29 | scifig | dm8tbr: I am surprised you were not already bombarded with PR 1.1 |
| 17:23.43 | scifig | * with PR1.1 news and stuff |
| 17:23.51 | npm | mgedmin: i'm updating a specifici field. the issue is that if the user types a ' then you have a syntax error |
| 17:23.59 | npm | if user know more, you have a database breach |
| 17:24.13 | mgedmin | how are you doing the update? |
| 17:24.20 | mgedmin | what's your javascript look like? |
| 17:24.38 | npm | i'll let you know in a minute whether it works. it' just started up |
| 17:24.55 | mgedmin | "it" being... ? |
| 17:25.29 | scifig | Milhouse: Unless there a flahser for 1.1, I'll have to flash beta 2 and update to PR 1.1 OTA. Is there any other/better way? |
| 17:25.32 | dm8tbr | scifig: what's the version string reported? |
| 17:25.44 | dm8tbr | scifig: that's not going to work |
| 17:26.10 | scifig | PR 1.1 (1.2011.34-2_PR_RM680) |
| 17:26.20 | dm8tbr | 34-2? |
| 17:26.30 | dm8tbr | the doc says 39-5 |
| 17:26.56 | Milhouse | scifig: currently, no. |
| 17:27.09 | ieatlint | beta2 was 34-2 |
| 17:27.21 | dm8tbr | scifig: if you attempt OCF with the beta2 one you'll have a shiny paperweight until you get your hands on the 39-5 OCF (or newer) |
| 17:27.53 | dm8tbr | as in: you can NOT downgrade |
| 17:27.53 | scifig | dm8tbr: Yep, that's what i have. The applications screen said no updates. I did apt-get upgrade and whole packages including kernel were updated. Now I have "!! Calendar" , "!! Clock" all over the place |
| 17:28.06 | Milhouse | i guess the oneclick flasher will tip up in a day or two |
| 17:28.28 | dm8tbr | scifig: that's just broken localization :) |
| 17:28.34 | ieatlint | i never understood why nokia software updates were always one-way |
| 17:28.54 | scifig | Milhouse: dm8tbr Anyway to fix the localization? |
| 17:28.58 | dm8tbr | ieatlint: you don't want people to downgrade to known exploitable software |
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| 17:29.38 | dm8tbr | scifig: no idea, maybe it's some package that needs to be added |
| 17:29.44 | ieatlint | i don't buy it... it's too catch-all, especially when the software updating tools are not typically available to the public |
| 17:30.28 | dm8tbr | it's a corporate thing |
| 17:30.32 | npm | ok well JS escape() unescape() is a bit much in this situation |
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| 17:30.46 | npm | goes for character replacemetns. |
| 17:30.52 | dm8tbr | also I've seen actually valid reasons for downgrade locks by other manufacturers |
| 17:31.28 | dm8tbr | e.g. in one case the BOM changed (aka newer hardware revision was introduced) and flashing old software to newer hardware would have caused problems |
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| 17:31.34 | scifig | Also, ssh root@localhost says permission denied. I tried correct password and rootme just in case. I believe reg the localization couple of UI packages were not update because aegis did not want to replace a pkg from com.nokia.* with unknown |
| 17:31.51 | djszapi | Hi! Is there anybody here building packages locally by using "osc build X Y" ? |
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| 17:32.18 | dm8tbr | scifig: 'unknown'? did you have other than the nokia repositories enabled? |
| 17:32.37 | ieatlint | dm8tbr: i've just gotten saddened when i flashed a preview image to a phone and then couldn't return to known-stable |
| 17:32.39 | scifig | I had SDK repository enabled |
| 17:33.01 | scifig | dm8tbr: I had SDK repository enabled in beta 2 |
| 17:33.07 | mgedmin | scifig, why use ssh root@localhost instead of devel-su? |
| 17:33.13 | dm8tbr | is the SDK repository signed? |
| 17:33.16 | npm | espects a gnarly piece of crap like ut.replace(/^\s*(\S*(?:\s+\S+)*)\s*$/, "$1")); to emerge shortly |
| 17:33.26 | mgedmin | npm, seriously! |
| 17:33.30 | mgedmin | SHOW US YOUR CODE |
| 17:33.50 | npm | sorry that was my last turd |
| 17:34.00 | npm | code coming soon. publish first |
| 17:34.11 | mgedmin | one line would be sufficient |
| 17:34.23 | mgedmin | you're familiar with pastebins, yes? |
| 17:34.38 | mgedmin | like, oh, say, http://pastie.org/ |
| 17:35.48 | mgedmin | hopes not to see something silly like executeSql("INSERT INTO ... VALUES ('" + escape(user_entered_data) +"');") |
| 17:35.51 | dm8tbr | scifig: what does 'dpkg -l mp-harmattan-rm680-pr' say? |
| 17:36.04 | dm8tbr | is interested in the version string |
| 17:36.18 | dm8tbr | specifically the first two digits |
| 17:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: (old sw on new hw) seems that's typically solved by querying the hw-revision during flashing. No sound reason to generally forbid downgrade |
| 17:37.38 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: well, call it an oversight or an mistake, they didn't have a field or didn't want to bump the complete device code. no idea, I wasn't there. |
| 17:38.03 | dm8tbr | still such a case makes much more sense to me than downgrade lock for 'security' reasons |
| 17:38.04 | scifig | mgedmin: I just wanted to run apt-get. devel-su works with my password. Thanks. Somehow ssh root@localhost is not working. |
| 17:38.19 | scifig | dm8tbr: No package found matching mp-harmattan-rm680-pr |
| 17:38.23 | dm8tbr | duh |
| 17:38.39 | dm8tbr | dpkg -l *harmattan* |
| 17:38.51 | scifig | dm8tbr: dpkg -l | grep harmattan also didn't have any such package |
| 17:38.58 | Milhouse | scifig: I think ssh is buggered |
| 17:38.59 | dm8tbr | weird |
| 17:39.22 | dm8tbr | scifig: can you grep for 39-5 instead? |
| 17:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | downgrade is forbidden purely for security reasons, exactly to avoid e.g anybody going back to beta1 and neuter aegis there or exploit the "better" develsh it had |
| 17:39.49 | GeneralAntilles | This thing just doesn't want to upgrade. |
| 17:40.09 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, you too? same here |
| 17:41.07 | scifig | dm8tbr: dpkg -l | grep 39-5 returns blank. But the Settings -> About Product gave PR 1.1 |
| 17:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | pkes N950 with aegis-neutered beta1, fetches some popcorn, and sits back |
| 17:41.27 | dm8tbr | scifig: thanks for checking though |
| 17:43.06 | scifig | dm8tbr: U r welcome. I see some core packages in dpkg -l have week 34 in the version string |
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| 17:43.47 | dm8tbr | 1.2011 is that BETA branch for the N950 it seems, but I guess not everything got updated as it claims it's still 34-2 :) |
| 17:44.42 | Frye | Has anyone managed to figure out how to make N9 browser remember login credentials? |
| 17:45.07 | dm8tbr | was just curious if pr1.1 is still from the 1.2011 branch for the n950 |
| 17:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:46.20 | shentey | hi all! I can't install an updated libc6 in scratchbox... |
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| 17:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | I've never tested, but wouldn't be surprised to find browser login credentials got postponed implementation due to storing those to aegis is way more complex than what browsers usually do. </rant> |
| 17:46.57 | shentey | it seems that preinst fails because "uname -r" returns the host's kernel version, which is 3.0 for me |
| 17:47.40 | shentey | any idea how uname uses the kernel installed in scratchbox? |
| 17:47.42 | Frye | Yeah looks like mission impossible to me |
| 17:48.06 | Frye | There's no setting etc for it |
| 17:48.17 | Frye | no options inside the browser itself |
| 17:48.23 | Frye | well I hope it gets implemented |
| 17:48.30 | Frye | or a decent browser released ;-) |
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| 17:48.43 | Frye | without that capability it's pretty much just annouyance |
| 17:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | don't hold your breath |
| 17:49.24 | Frye | Never done that with Nokia ;-) |
| 17:49.35 | Frye | would end up killing me sooner or later. Usually sooner |
| 17:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:49.47 | Frye | Other than that I do like N9 a lot |
| 17:49.58 | Frye | Just has no browser for me as of now. |
| 17:50.02 | Frye | ;-) |
| 17:50.54 | scifig | Can/does opera and/or firefox eventually support flash in harmattan. Is it possible at all? |
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| 17:52.33 | mgedmin | the n9 browser has no flash, no password saving, no bookmarks and no history |
| 17:52.52 | mgedmin | surprisingly, I still find it useful |
| 17:52.55 | Frye | Well for me only thing I really miss is the password saving |
| 17:53.01 | merlin1991 | shentey: scratchbox has no kernel installed |
| 17:53.04 | merlin1991 | it's a chroot system |
| 17:53.08 | Frye | And it makes it useless for my forum browsing |
| 17:53.22 | mgedmin | I want a password safe app for harmattan |
| 17:53.35 | Frye | web pased games etc |
| 17:54.36 | Frye | Is there a bug tracker for N9 visible somewhere? |
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| 17:57.56 | mgedmin | it's at developer.nokia.com, IIRC |
| 17:58.51 | mgedmin | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=MeeGo%201.2%20Harmattan |
| 17:59.07 | shentey | merlin1991: sure, but by installing a kernel and using the harmattan-coreutils, it should be possible to satisfy preinst |
| 18:00.06 | shentey | merlin1991: however, coreutils don't install successfully because preinst fails ;) |
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| 18:17.21 | ieatlint | heh, you know it's a good sign when during the update process i keep getting warnings telling me "Memory low" "Please close some apps"... when the only app running is the app manager and the software update itself, and the UI is locked for the update |
| 18:17.53 | scifig | dm8tbr: Milhouse: I tried beta 2 one click flasher any way and it seems to be re-flashing. Yay |
| 18:18.28 | dm8tbr | scifig: is it still at erasing? |
| 18:18.30 | mja | is digging swype |
| 18:18.31 | scifig | ieatlint: Does it help that the error message was documented in the release notes :) |
| 18:18.54 | mja | browser still doesn't support ssl(?) |
| 18:19.14 | scifig | dm8tbr: Says success and to unplug + reboot. Let me see |
| 18:19.14 | mja | can't log in to forum.meego |
| 18:19.41 | dm8tbr | scifig: mhm, the bit that your system thought it was still at 34-2 might have saved you :) |
| 18:21.33 | ieatlint | scifig: not if i don't read them |
| 18:22.09 | ieatlint | i failed to read the full notes, it seems :) |
| 18:23.06 | ieatlint | i guess i saw a loft of kruft... "ooooh, there's a slide-out keyboard on the n950? wow, i hadn't noticed", etc |
| 18:23.07 | RST38h | Is "Updating" being stuck on 0% normal? |
| 18:23.23 | GeneralAntilles | OK, has ANYBODY been able to update OTA? |
| 18:23.29 | mja | o/ |
| 18:23.37 | mja | went butter smooth |
| 18:23.43 | mja | no memory warning or anything |
| 18:23.45 | scifig | dm8tbr: Yup, that seems to be the case. Now I see 2.2011.39-5 in Updates screen |
| 18:23.46 | ieatlint | RST38h: was there for about 5min for me it seemed, then moved on and started giving me the warnings |
| 18:23.46 | mja | warnings |
| 18:23.55 | scifig | GeneralAntilles: I am trying now. Let me see |
| 18:24.13 | dm8tbr | scifig: _now_ you can't go back anymore :) |
| 18:24.15 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: i'm doing ota, at 26% |
| 18:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | and is anybody else's internet super-slow today? |
| 18:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | Nothing's working right. |
| 18:24.44 | ieatlint | i just had to replace my wifi ap about 30min ago... so yes, it's going to be a day of failures |
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| 18:24.47 | artemma | I updated fine via OTA |
| 18:24.49 | dm8tbr | scifig: ah, so a new branch it seems, interesting |
| 18:25.06 | artemma | mails, contacts and everything else stayed |
| 18:25.28 | RST38h | ieatlint: ah ok |
| 18:25.40 | ieatlint | it's a slow update |
| 18:25.50 | ieatlint | go ssh into it, check out /var/cache/apt/archive ;) |
| 18:26.09 | scifig | dm8tbr: I know (i can't go back). The reflashed removed everything anyway. Nothing that I miss in the last firmware image (except few pictures I took couple of days ago). Meh |
| 18:26.40 | CepiPerez | hey guys, can't ssh into my n950 after update |
| 18:27.01 | scifig | CepiPerez: Just curious. Is developer mode enabled? |
| 18:27.22 | GeneralAntilles | Major DNS failures or something? |
| 18:27.29 | GeneralAntilles | I can't get decent return times on anything. |
| 18:27.34 | CepiPerez | yep |
| 18:27.39 | RST38h | General: our uplink has been wobblytoday |
| 18:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | ping nokia.com fails with Unknown host |
| 18:27.58 | RST38h | no idea if it was the local provider or the net as a whole |
| 18:28.00 | scifig | GeneralAntilles: No problems here on west coast |
| 18:28.02 | GeneralAntilles | google.com is averaging about 4sec latency |
| 18:28.51 | RST38h | Says "Update interrupted". |
| 18:29.21 | ieatlint | haha, i ping nokia.com and i get interesting results |
| 18:29.35 | ieatlint | it's cycling through all the localized domains |
| 18:30.24 | ieatlint | http://pastebin.com/Pz4V1SNf and continuing |
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| 18:32.31 | RST38h | Ok, anyone else got update hang for 5-10 mins then report update Interrupted??? |
| 18:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 18:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | Also: wont download. |
| 18:36.04 | CepiPerez | "ssh root@192.168.1.101" doesn't works |
| 18:36.11 | CepiPerez | "ssh developer@192.168.1.101" works fine |
| 18:36.13 | ieatlint | woo, "update failed", no explanation |
| 18:36.37 | ieatlint | "Rescuing software update." "Please do not interrupt." on the boot screen |
| 18:36.40 | ieatlint | going to be one of those days |
| 18:41.27 | RST38h | hm |
| 18:42.28 | deimos_ | RST38h: i give up retrying to update and after a reflash all gone well |
| 18:43.04 | RST38h | mghm ok |
| 18:43.48 | dm8tbr | make sure not to have additional repositories enabled |
| 18:44.26 | deimos_ | I tried removing repositories from community also, but didnt worked |
| 18:45.00 | deimos_ | I tried also to remove apt cache |
| 18:49.37 | ieatlint | yep, that bricked my phone |
| 18:49.40 | ieatlint | good times |
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| 18:57.23 | Milhouse | CepiPerez: Yes, ssh is buggered by the PR1.1 update. |
| 18:58.02 | Milhouse | So what is the consensus, flashing back to Beta2 OK or not OK? |
| 18:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | tell me |
| 18:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | consensus seems that's not possible |
| 18:59.52 | Milhouse | guess i can wait for the PR1.1 OCF... |
| 18:59.58 | RST38h | WTH is it doing at 0% progress??? |
| 19:00.11 | Milhouse | patience... :) (it is slow as shit though) |
| 19:01.08 | deimos_ | it take aegis |
| 19:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: safe-erasing your whole plethora of 16GB NAND? |
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| 19:01.54 | Milhouse | DocScrutinizer: can't be, this is an OTA update... my NAND is still there. |
| 19:03.45 | RST38h | spent5+ minutes then said update interrupted. |
| 19:03.47 | RST38h | flash time? |
| 19:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooh well, then you probably should pay a 5bucks/month to upgrade to premium share |
| 19:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 19:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | higher bandwidth, no waits, no queues |
| 19:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | I knew it, they use rapidshare for their OTA |
| 19:06.20 | ieatlint | well, hopefully after a failed update i can put the beta2 image back on it |
| 19:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 19:06.40 | ieatlint | otherwise i have a brick until nokia graces us with a new image |
| 19:07.22 | RST38h | Where do I get the flasher for this update? |
| 19:07.42 | ieatlint | there isn't one yet |
| 19:07.43 | ieatlint | just ota |
| 19:07.50 | RST38h | OTA fails. |
| 19:08.13 | kimju | hmm, "memory low, close some programs" - only the ota upgrade running. |
| 19:08.25 | petteri | does anyone have rsync compiled for n9/n950? |
| 19:09.10 | kimju | still running after dismissing the popup |
| 19:10.47 | scifig | kimju: It is a known issue. Press OK and ignore the popup |
| 19:11.10 | RST38h | sighsgoe to look for the flash image |
| 19:13.42 | rzr-mob | petteri, i did build it |
| 19:14.04 | rzr-mob | petteri, http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan |
| 19:14.06 | petteri | rzr-mob: if it is working, i would love to have copy |
| 19:14.18 | rzr-mob | it is |
| 19:14.38 | petteri | rzr-mob: thank you! |
| 19:14.41 | rzr-mob | i am backuping my n950 before flashing it |
| 19:14.57 | rzr-mob | using rsync of course |
| 19:15.10 | rzr-mob | i did not flash b2 |
| 19:15.32 | rzr-mob | are there major regressions on b2 and after ota ? |
| 19:15.34 | petteri | i had this setup on my n900 that did automatic rsync of my pictures and videos when I connected to home wlan. I will do the same for n9 |
| 19:16.21 | artemma | Are flickr and picasa accounts only for sharing photos? Or can you somehow sync local collections with the networked ones? |
| 19:16.26 | rzr-mob | petteri, i do that too but i didnt setup automatically , do u use dbus for that ? |
| 19:16.48 | rzr-mob | artemma, look at owncloud |
| 19:17.01 | artemma | rzr-mob: owncloud? |
| 19:17.21 | rzr-mob | yes a kde project iirc |
| 19:17.25 | ieatlint | well, the flasher is letting me install beta2 |
| 19:17.29 | artemma | ah |
| 19:17.38 | ieatlint | or it's at least letting me erase emmc |
| 19:18.19 | petteri | i haven't looked up how to setup it on n9, yet. On n900 i had just a shell script executed on /etc/network/if-up |
| 19:19.11 | rzr-mob | haxor detected |
| 19:20.03 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody got a link to the N950 firmware download page? |
| 19:20.18 | rzr-mob | GeneralAntilles, b2 ? |
| 19:20.54 | ieatlint | beta2: (not the new "pr1.1" release) http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 19:22.46 | ieatlint | mkdir tmp; tail -n +52 "Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin" | tar -C tmp -xf - ; cd tmp ; sed -s s:--erase-mmc=secure:: installer ; ./installer ;) |
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| 19:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 19:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | nm |
| 19:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | :: puzzled me |
| 19:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | plus I guess ;) is a syntax error ;-P |
| 19:27.24 | ieatlint | yeah, i got in the habit of using : as a separator in sed because it's easy to type and rarely conflicts with strings i modify |
| 19:27.50 | ieatlint | and ;) isn't a syntax error, just the ) is :P |
| 19:27.57 | rzr-mob | url do use : |
| 19:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | PR1.1 isn't available as a flash image yet? |
| 19:28.11 | ieatlint | yeah, apparently i don't use sed on urls much |
| 19:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | that's not been the complete problem, the usage of ":" together with :: puzzled me |
| 19:28.26 | rzr-mob | seems not donno if it planned |
| 19:28.30 | ieatlint | ah, replace with nothing |
| 19:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, got that |
| 19:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'n not have to had look twice on // |
| 19:30.15 | ieatlint | yeah... an old habit now :) |
| 19:30.20 | ieatlint | got tired of escaping / on paths |
| 19:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 19:30.41 | RST38h | ok, the update is screwed up. |
| 19:30.41 | rzr-mob | GeneralAntilles, what makes u think a ocf image will be released ? |
| 19:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | I love ! for this |
| 19:30.50 | RST38h | guess I will have to wait for the flasher =( |
| 19:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | but also not shellsafe |
| 19:31.06 | GeneralAntilles | rzr-mob, because two previous flashers have been released? |
| 19:31.10 | rzr-mob | RST38h, is it so i keep b1 |
| 19:31.18 | apol | is it possible to record an application being used in harmattan? how should we do it? |
| 19:31.21 | ieatlint | perhaps i should switch to @ as a separator? :P |
| 19:31.30 | ieatlint | will only conflict with email addresses |
| 19:31.32 | rzr-mob | any other one on b1 ? |
| 19:31.41 | rzr-mob | ieatlint, use % |
| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | weird stuff like § is nice though |
| 19:31.57 | ieatlint | that's not on a US keyboard |
| 19:32.06 | ieatlint | yeah, % perhaps |
| 19:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | rzr-mob: beta1? |
| 19:32.22 | rzr-mob | ieatlint, how to type that \o\ on n950 ? |
| 19:32.58 | rzr-mob | DocScrutinizer, yes i was away when b2 was released i get used to b1 |
| 19:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | also b1 here |
| 19:33.24 | ieatlint | b1 became unusable for me |
| 19:33.34 | rzr-mob | ok no need for twitter app i use xmpp for that |
| 19:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not all that amazed about updates that don't alow any rollback |
| 19:34.12 | ieatlint | for the record, my pr1.1/39-5 update failed, and i can successfully go back to beta2 |
| 19:34.23 | rzr-mob | fenix could be a bit unreliable on b1 but i figured out how to use it now |
| 19:34.53 | rzr-mob | ieatlint, who sucessed to update after b2 ? |
| 19:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | You guys see that Galaxy Nexus shit? |
| 19:35.14 | GeneralAntilles | I want 720 on my phone. :( |
| 19:35.16 | ieatlint | rzr-mob: and type what on the n950? |
| 19:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just using 950 for reference and "R&D", doesn't matter much what's the OS rev, it's aegis that's the roadblocker for me |
| 19:35.37 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: too bad, apple and samsung are the only ones |
| 19:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | What are we gonna do when all of our N950s and N9s break? :( |
| 19:36.15 | matrixx | cry? :'( |
| 19:36.23 | ieatlint | i'm sure tizen will be out by then |
| 19:36.34 | rzr-mob | that weird paragraph character |
| 19:37.03 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, haaa! |
| 19:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'll not cry, just curse the ever going up ebay pricetags for N900 |
| 19:37.32 | rzr-mob | what about bb qnx platform ? |
| 19:38.55 | ieatlint | rim is sinking faster than nokia |
| 19:39.21 | neal | DocScrutinizer: amen |
| 19:40.18 | mzanetti | is it possible to flash the b2 image but skipping the cert-sw? |
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| 19:51.28 | rzr-mob | back |
| 19:52.10 | rzr-mob | i think its best to do upgrade one after one |
| 19:52.36 | rzr-mob | please take a ticket and head to the waiting room |
| 19:53.51 | M4rtinK | rzr-mob: hi :) |
| 19:54.51 | M4rtinK | I have found a weird issue concerning your community repo & libgtk |
| 19:54.58 | rzr-mob | hi werent u the obs user ? |
| 19:55.00 | piggz | lo harmattan devs...is it possible in QML to have an Audio element playing and a SoundEffect playing at the same time?? |
| 19:55.04 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 19:55.22 | rzr-mob | M4rtinK, i remember u, how can we help ? |
| 19:55.45 | M4rtinK | I finally got GTK to build but for some reason the build fails in your project |
| 19:55.46 | rzr-mob | M4rtinK, is gtk installable now ? |
| 19:56.00 | M4rtinK | but it build fine in others |
| 19:56.00 | rzr-mob | this is a f good news |
| 19:56.18 | rzr-mob | we will tear this issue out |
| 19:56.28 | M4rtinK | should be installable from home:MartinK:gtk |
| 19:56.30 | apol | is it possible to record an application being used in harmattan? how should we do it? |
| 19:56.56 | kimju | apol, take a camera and point it to the phone? |
| 19:57.00 | M4rtinK | I tested an older build and it ran fine |
| 19:57.03 | rzr-mob | M4rtinK, i guess one package do conflict ? |
| 19:57.07 | M4rtinK | on N950 |
| 19:57.10 | gri | apol, you can record the vnc remote connection |
| 19:57.18 | apol | kimju: i was hoping for something more direct |
| 19:57.30 | apol | gri: what should I install to start a vnc session from the phone? |
| 19:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | Updating 0%!!!! |
| 19:58.06 | rzr-mob | GeneralAntilles, i think we should wait |
| 19:58.09 | gri | apol, http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=vnc |
| 19:58.17 | M4rtinK | rzr: it fails like this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libgtk&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 19:58.30 | M4rtinK | something with immodules |
| 19:58.33 | rzr-mob | GeneralAntilles, |
| 19:58.35 | gri | apol, and record with "vnc2flv" |
| 19:58.45 | M4rtinK | might be a wrong package indeed |
| 19:58.45 | apol | interesting |
| 19:58.57 | rzr-mob | gri, forget flv?use ogv plz |
| 19:59.13 | apol | I was hoping it would be possible to record a video by using gstreamer |
| 19:59.16 | rzr-mob | i used recordmydesktop |
| 19:59.17 | apol | they have X11 tools |
| 19:59.18 | gri | rzr-mob, resulted in the same quality for me |
| 19:59.31 | gri | rzr-mob, does recordmydesktop work on the n950??? |
| 19:59.34 | apol | rzr-mob: really? is it possible to install? |
| 19:59.40 | rzr-mob | flv is for freedom haters |
| 19:59.57 | M4rtinK | but I get a similar error in home:MartinK:harmattan where I have removed/disabled all other packages (https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3AMartinK%3Aharmattan) |
| 20:00.01 | gri | well, when uploading to youtube it gets flv anyway |
| 20:00.05 | rzr-mob | gri, not on harmattan yet |
| 20:00.17 | rzr-mob | gri, blip.tv do html5 |
| 20:00.30 | rzr-mob | gri, do does harmattan |
| 20:00.47 | apol | do? |
| 20:01.05 | gri | he means "so" I assume |
| 20:01.20 | M4rtinK | rzr-mob: it builds fine in home:MartinK:gtk and home:aaporantalainen which have basically the same packages |
| 20:01.21 | rzr-mob | harmattan is able to view that video |
| 20:01.23 | rzr-mob | http://rzr.online.fr/q/file |
| 20:01.33 | rzr-mob | no youtube |
| 20:02.04 | gri | can't see the file using chrome |
| 20:02.19 | rzr-mob | sorry i am ircing on n950 |
| 20:02.32 | gri | ah, now |
| 20:02.35 | gri | it just took ages to load |
| 20:02.58 | scifig | So is there a way to get ssh to root working in PR 1.1? |
| 20:03.35 | rzr-mob | only a few were able to upgrade |
| 20:07.10 | rzr-mob | M4rtinK, i have no time for gtk can we speak about that later or email rzr@gna.org i am gone |
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| 20:08.58 | M4rtinK | rzr-mob: ok :) |
| 20:09.23 | M4rtinK | rzr-mob: modrana@gmail.com |
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| 20:27.18 | apol | while trying to install x11vnc I get this error: http://paste.opensuse.org/64069031 |
| 20:27.23 | apol | any idea about how to fix it? |
| 20:27.59 | apol | apparently libssl package is broken? |
| 20:28.15 | GeneralAntilles | Interestingly I have NO idea where my Nook Color is right now. . . . |
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| 20:39.37 | apol | is it possible to install gst-launch to harmattan? |
| 20:41.49 | javispedro | package gstreamer0.10-tools, you might need to fetch it from SDK repo. |
| 20:42.16 | apol | -.- gh |
| 20:42.18 | apol | ok thx |
| 20:42.53 | ieatlint | hah, you can install ipv6 on the n950 now |
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| 20:43.34 | apol | javispedro: yes it was there, gracies |
| 20:43.57 | javispedro | yw |
| 20:44.15 | apol | while trying to install almst anything, I get this error: http://paste.opensuse.org/64069031 |
| 20:44.17 | apol | any clues? :D |
| 20:45.23 | javispedro | try purging it and reinstalling |
| 20:45.52 | javispedro | ( dpkg --purge libssl1.0.0 ; apt-get -f install ) |
| 20:46.51 | apol | nah |
| 20:46.53 | apol | same error :( |
| 20:47.08 | javispedro | when reinstalling? package might be broken, I don't have it |
| 20:47.53 | javispedro | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-09-01.log.html#t2011-09-01T10:50:37 |
| 20:48.04 | javispedro | ^^ seems to explain the problem |
| 20:49.02 | apol | i see |
| 20:49.09 | apol | well, I won't worry too much about it then |
| 20:49.11 | apol | thanks again :) |
| 20:51.40 | wazd | I kinda understand why they've changed the way to switch keyboaard layouts but I prefered the last one :( |
| 20:52.15 | wazd | and that's all because of bloody swype |
| 21:00.51 | ieatlint | how do you enable swype? |
| 21:01.02 | ieatlint | i mean, i have it turned on, but the old keyboard is all that comes up |
| 21:04.47 | kimju | ieatlint, swipe left/right in the vkb area |
| 21:04.48 | Milhouse | swipe from the right to the left on the keyboard - it should change to swype |
| 21:05.55 | ieatlint | ah, indeed |
| 21:05.57 | ieatlint | thanks :) |
| 21:07.10 | ieatlint | weird no skype |
| 21:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro - how's life? |
| 21:07.33 | javispedro | well, as usual... |
| 21:07.55 | ieatlint | also, it's not the least bit confusing i'm using a keyboard called swype in a ui called swipe and complaining i don't have skype |
| 21:08.02 | javispedro | Was reading this http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot |
| 21:08.05 | ieatlint | there needs to be a skipe |
| 21:08.25 | javispedro | ieatlint: ok, I will see to fix that ASAP |
| 21:08.32 | ieatlint | :) |
| 21:08.45 | ieatlint | please post the cease and desist when you get it |
| 21:09.09 | mja | hw kbd + terminal + swype vrt kbd not working great |
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| 21:09.57 | mja | start terminal with hw keyboard, then close it and I'm not seeing swype kbd pop up |
| 21:10.16 | mja | (close hw kbd I mean) |
| 21:10.40 | scifig | Does mounting N950 filesystem via sshfs work? Now that root login disabled in PR 1.1. Sorry, I am not at home and don't have a linux box to test. |
| 21:11.22 | ieatlint | mja: i can confirm this behaviour |
| 21:11.29 | crevetor | After upgrading my N950 I get this : |
| 21:11.39 | crevetor | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify |
| 21:11.41 | crevetor | /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify: Could not read RD cert (-3) |
| 21:11.49 | crevetor | So no root access via ssh |
| 21:11.56 | mja | ieatlint: great, I'll look into reporting it tomo unless you make it first |
| 21:12.10 | ieatlint | if you use the hkb with terminal, you can't get the vkb back |
| 21:12.36 | mja | ieatlink: that pretty much sums it up |
| 21:12.39 | javispedro | crevetor: I have to ponder which kind of diagnosis path made you deduce that? =) |
| 21:12.42 | ieatlint | mja: if you press the menu key, it fixes it |
| 21:12.52 | ieatlint | press menu key, close menu, vkb pops up |
| 21:13.04 | ieatlint | report the bug :) |
| 21:13.13 | ieatlint | but at least there's a workaround that doesn't require exiting terminal |
| 21:13.20 | mja | yeah seems to fix it |
| 21:13.39 | mja | but leaves only top 7 rows in operation |
| 21:14.26 | mja | and I'm not seeing the toolbar w/ hkbd |
| 21:15.02 | crevetor | javispedro: "ps ax" see that ssh daemon was started with permitRootLogin=no check /etc/init/ssh.conf and check why that was |
| 21:15.17 | crevetor | javispedro: is there something wrong with that thought process ? |
| 21:15.25 | mja | hm OK, hit menu button to disable screen and then pop out hkbd, seems to work |
| 21:17.30 | apol | does anybody know what package is supposed to install gstreamer's theoraenc in harmattan? |
| 21:17.36 | javispedro | crevetor: post the new ssh.conf |
| 21:18.50 | crevetor | javispedro: hold on |
| 21:21.55 | crevetor | javispedro: http://pastie.org/2726260 |
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| 21:23.12 | scifig | Was just looking at that file ssh.conf. Dumb question, does modifying the file /etc/init/ssh.conf brick the device? |
| 21:23.32 | javispedro | yep |
| 21:23.50 | javispedro | not that sure about /etc/default/ssh, feel free to brick yours. |
| 21:24.14 | crevetor | javispedro: what do you mean ? |
| 21:25.09 | javispedro | changing /etc/default/ssh wouldn't break beta2. |
| 21:25.34 | crevetor | but changing it in /etc/default/ssh won't fix anything anyways |
| 21:25.41 | Milhouse | editing /etc/default/ssh won't have any impact. what about this /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify - that seems to be the key... |
| 21:26.07 | crevetor | Milhouse: yeah and I pasted the output of that command earlier here |
| 21:26.20 | crevetor | I'm wondering ig enabling r&d mde through flasher would fix that |
| 21:26.27 | scifig | Milhouse: I am wondering who get's to have that certificate. Just the Nokia devs may be |
| 21:26.45 | javispedro | you really should rethink whether changing /etc/default/ssh does not have an impact |
| 21:27.08 | Milhouse | running it outputs "Could not read RD cert (-3)" - R&D mode? |
| 21:27.14 | javispedro | I'm not going to say anything more in case SOMEONE and I'm not pointing fingers to anyone tells me again that because of my fault exploits are being found everywhere |
| 21:27.40 | crevetor | javispedro: we could move this discussion to an unlogged channel... |
| 21:29.20 | javispedro | I really hope that SOMEONE is reading the above discussion, will point it to him when he tells me it's my fault again... |
| 21:30.12 | crevetor | javispedro: did someone at nokia say anything to you ?! |
| 21:30.33 | javispedro | no, not from nokia. |
| 21:30.49 | crevetor | javispedro: so who cares ? |
| 21:31.19 | ieatlint | heh |
| 21:31.25 | ieatlint | i can guess what you're suggesting |
| 21:31.35 | ieatlint | it depends on the behaviour of sshd as to whether that works |
| 21:31.47 | javispedro | in the meanwhile, I'd never think I'd say this, but Blackberry now raises as a viable opensource friendly company too.. |
| 21:31.52 | javispedro | http://blackberry.github.com/ndk/components.html |
| 21:32.00 | javispedro | I cannot believe they ported OpenTTD |
| 21:32.23 | crevetor | ok it doesn't seem to be related to r&d mode :( |
| 21:34.47 | crevetor | I'm gonna try and trace /usr/sbin/rdc_cert_verify |
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| 21:37.38 | Milhouse | swiping from the swipe key to the +!= key brings up an interesting keyboard |
| 21:37.40 | rm_work | so, is there already a wiki entry all about the SSU that went out today (2.2011.39-5)? |
| 21:37.47 | Milhouse | sorry, swyping |
| 21:37.57 | Milhouse | and swype key |
| 21:38.53 | crevetor | neat |
| 21:39.12 | ieatlint | Milhouse: oooh |
| 21:39.14 | ieatlint | nice tip |
| 21:39.31 | Milhouse | found it by accident, then took several minutes to work out what i'd done. :) |
| 21:40.26 | ieatlint | crevetor: the stuff is all in /usr/lib/libbb5.so.0.0.0 |
| 21:40.30 | Milhouse | still no help files in this build, it really does seem to be some kind of frankenstien build |
| 21:40.49 | crevetor | ieatlint: so it seems |
| 21:40.58 | ieatlint | and it's definitely looking for a cert |
| 21:41.03 | crevetor | and bb5 might refer to some hardware component |
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| 21:41.19 | wazd | Milhouse: hmmm |
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| 21:41.33 | wazd | Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :) |
| 21:42.04 | Milhouse | crevetor: bb5 base band 5, locking system on nokia phones |
| 21:43.20 | crevetor | I don't know it seems to be looking on the MTD partition |
| 21:44.27 | ieatlint | well, there's a potential hole... rdc_cert_verify links against /usr/lib/libbb5.so.0, which is a symlink to libbb5.so.0.0.0 |
| 21:44.50 | ieatlint | and while rdc_cert_verify is protected by aegis, and libbb5.so.0.0.0 is, it does not appear the symlink is |
| 21:45.11 | ieatlint | so you could in theory replace libbb5... but that's a lot of work and risk for root access on ssh |
| 21:45.59 | SpeedEvil | Isn't filesystem level replacement pointless if you can't match the hash of libbb* |
| 21:46.37 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: yes, but if you leave libb5.so.0.0.0 alone, and just update the symlink of libb5.so.0, it should work methinks |
| 21:46.51 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't it verify what's loaded? |
| 21:46.53 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:47.07 | SpeedEvil | should try to understand this in detail at some point. |
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| 21:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you're about to hack bb5 now? XD |
| 21:48.45 | ieatlint | no, i'm not :P |
| 21:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | good luck |
| 21:48.52 | crevetor | I'm sure there's a sane explanation to all this |
| 21:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | crevetor: BB5 is the modem |
| 21:50.02 | crevetor | docScrutinizer: I know that but maybe they forgot to tell us something... |
| 21:50.07 | ieatlint | which means that replacing libbb5 might get rdc_cert_verify to be happy, but would make a lot of other things very very unhappy |
| 21:50.21 | ieatlint | unless you did some horrible proxying, which is simply unrealistic |
| 21:51.06 | SpeedEvil | Can you go back to the current image? |
| 21:51.16 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:51.18 | SpeedEvil | previous. |
| 21:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | ...or just get a sane OS, possibly on a sane good hardware ;-P |
| 21:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope, I bet you can't |
| 21:51.42 | crevetor | could it be an R&D flag & |
| 21:51.46 | crevetor | ? |
| 21:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 21:51.59 | crevetor | lol |
| 21:52.19 | ieatlint | i think you can, because you didn't flash a new image, but updated an existing image |
| 21:52.24 | ieatlint | but not sure, and not going to try right now |
| 21:52.35 | ieatlint | crevetor: it's checking an actual certificate |
| 21:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's checking the R&D cert that only Nokia devels' devices have |
| 21:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | which allows then to do things on their devices that we mere mortals mustn't do |
| 21:53.37 | ieatlint | is /etc/default/ssh monitored by aegis? |
| 21:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: see my function for this |
| 21:54.19 | ieatlint | wonders what you get from that cert beyond the ability to install internal images and ssh as root |
| 21:54.21 | javispedro | not on beta2. |
| 21:54.35 | javispedro | ieatlint: on beta1 it was the only way to enter open mode |
| 21:55.03 | ieatlint | there was an open mode on beta1? that disabled aegis or what? |
| 21:55.03 | crevetor | ieatlint: seems it's not, I can modify it |
| 21:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-07.log.html#t2011-10-07T11:50:58 |
| 21:55.22 | ieatlint | crevetor: uh, write permissions doesn't mean it's not checked |
| 21:55.32 | ieatlint | check if the file is in /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist |
| 21:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | for your convenience I'll repeat: may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 21:55.57 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 21:56.05 | ieatlint | i'm not logged in on my phone this second |
| 21:57.14 | ieatlint | damn, the wifi hotspot app is still unusable :( |
| 21:57.24 | crevetor | ieatlint: it's not in there... |
| 21:57.41 | ieatlint | then see doc's comment |
| 21:57.51 | ieatlint | and it's an issue of sshd behaviour |
| 21:58.05 | javispedro | tries to remove the frigging update available notification |
| 21:58.17 | crevetor | I might try something but I'll have to backup my data first |
| 21:58.48 | macmaN | hrm. why does 39-5 all of a sudden say account disabled for facebook |
| 21:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: tell me how you did it, I'm annoyed by mine as well |
| 21:59.06 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: you know what happens if I try to do an OTA upgrade to 2.2011.39-5 that popped up on my device today? |
| 21:59.14 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles / RST38h: ^^ |
| 22:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: I guess you bricked the device? |
| 22:00.25 | rm_work | haven't tried it yet :P |
| 22:00.30 | rm_work | my rule is, always ask here first! |
| 22:00.42 | ieatlint | i bricked, had to reflash beta2 |
| 22:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: I'm on beta1 still |
| 22:00.51 | javispedro | If you try to do an OTA, a grue eats you, and then you die. An offscreen voice asks if you want your possessions identified |
| 22:00.52 | rm_work | yeah i'm also still on beta1 |
| 22:01.54 | rm_work | was *not* eaten by a grue. |
| 22:01.58 | SpeedEvil | is on 2. |
| 22:02.23 | rm_work | is there any actual news / blog post / etc about this update going live? |
| 22:02.26 | SpeedEvil | ponders the most important question. Is Angry Birds available on 3. |
| 22:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | OMG AB |
| 22:02.44 | rm_work | or is it just "magically available" with absolutely not a word? |
| 22:02.47 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: you actually also have some of the EA games |
| 22:03.35 | SpeedEvil | Oh - there are new versions of lots of things, which seem to install. |
| 22:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | there's been that "prepare for update! ...do update" blog somewhere |
| 22:04.11 | javispedro | prepare for update .... do update ... revert update ... prepare for new update ... |
| 22:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | <http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/10/14/new-release-of-the-nokia-n950-software-is-coming-soon...-prepare> http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt |
| 22:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not even curious enough to check that release_notes for any word about paegis again got worse. I don't care if it's listed or not, I bet it got worse no matter what |
| 22:11.00 | ieatlint | it doesn't say |
| 22:11.04 | ieatlint | there, i ruined it for you |
| 22:11.14 | lbt | are there any issues about using the beta1 n950 as mass storage on linux? |
| 22:11.37 | javispedro | lbt: do not remember a problem, what kind of issues? |
| 22:11.58 | lbt | well, it appears in dmesg as usb 5-4: Product: N950 |
| 22:12.08 | lbt | scsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N950 0316 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 |
| 22:12.14 | lbt | sd 18:0:0:0: [sdh] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 22:12.23 | lbt | but won't mount |
| 22:12.26 | lbt | no partition table |
| 22:12.42 | lbt | and cfdisk says it can't open it |
| 22:12.53 | javispedro | it's superfloppy, no partition table |
| 22:13.02 | macmaN | right ive experienced that |
| 22:13.23 | lbt | never heard of superfloppy ... will look - does it need a module? |
| 22:13.24 | macmaN | but reconnecting it always made it visible |
| 22:14.08 | javispedro | lbt: teoretically no, mount -t vfat /dev/sd? should make it work |
| 22:14.51 | lbt | mount: special device /dev/sdh does not exist |
| 22:15.00 | lbt | is wondering if udev is sad .... |
| 22:15.54 | lbt | ah ... try using the right console... |
| 22:16.05 | lbt | mount: no medium found on /dev/sdh |
| 22:16.42 | javispedro | did you hit "USB Mass Store" on the popup menu in the N950? |
| 22:16.45 | javispedro | *Storage |
| 22:16.48 | lbt | I did |
| 22:16.51 | javispedro | that shows up when I don't hit it |
| 22:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha superfloppy |
| 22:18.07 | javispedro | weird, maybe a n950 reboot is in order... |
| 22:18.35 | lbt | javispedro: OK - ta.... |
| 22:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | lbt: I'm about to check |
| 22:20.09 | lbt | OK - would be interested... |
| 22:20.12 | lbt | rebooting though |
| 22:20.30 | lbt | mmm |
| 22:20.41 | lbt | it thinks the time is "3: 0" |
| 22:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | lbt: no problems at all here: plug in, unlock to get to "mass storage" selector, on PC KDE select "open in filebrowser" from requester popping up |
| 22:21.31 | lbt | good |
| 22:21.33 | crevetor | javispedro: what was your idea on what to put in /etc/default/ssh ? |
| 22:21.38 | javispedro | lbt: "minor" font rendering issue |
| 22:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | lbt: 23:20 |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | today the "2" is your luccky digit |
| 22:22.33 | lbt | hehe |
| 22:22.53 | javispedro | beta2 is virtually mandatory maily because eventually you'll not be able to invoke the dialer |
| 22:22.56 | javispedro | *mainly |
| 22:23.26 | lbt | I want to boot Nemo |
| 22:23.54 | lbt | I've spent far too long doing community and infra work without playing on the devices |
| 22:24.03 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:25.23 | lbt | "not enough power to charge" now |
| 22:25.36 | lbt | and won't even appear as a usb device :) |
| 22:26.24 | lbt | yay .. .plug into laptop and it's there :) |
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| 22:29.54 | faenil | evening! :) |
| 22:30.01 | faenil | past midnight actually xD |
| 22:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | hah, same here on my T900, not even repeated stoping starting of bme and replugs to charger did help. Plug into PC and *voila* |
| 22:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | faenil: UGT |
| 22:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~ugt |
| 22:31.19 | infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 22:31.44 | faenil | lol |
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| 23:07.14 | macmaN | sup guys |
| 23:07.24 | faenil | ntn? XD |
| 23:07.46 | macmaN | who's still on 34-2 and has some twitter and fb items in his feed screen? id like to know something about an issue |
| 23:10.13 | macmaN | http://www.ideasproject.com/ideas/11395 |
| 23:11.13 | macmaN | a "add ability to choose custom background image to home screens" idea won first week and n9 device, ridiculous |
| 23:11.52 | *** join/#harmattan artemma (~artemma@d85-194-229-245.cust.wlannet.com) |
| 23:12.01 | artemma | So N9 has got Skype and N950 hasn't? |
| 23:12.13 | artemma | :/ |
| 23:12.55 | pinheiro | artemma: its has |
| 23:12.59 | pinheiro | it has |
| 23:13.03 | pinheiro | works fine |
| 23:13.14 | macmaN | yeah im running skype too, but the damn account ui would be nice |
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| 23:13.30 | pinheiro | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 artemma |
| 23:13.41 | artemma | hmm. I've heard there's skype engine, but no UI without magic |
| 23:13.51 | pinheiro | look in the botom |
| 23:14.08 | macmaN | MohammadAG copied UI package files from N9 RDA device |
| 23:14.22 | artemma | oh, I though it's about skype chat only |
| 23:14.28 | artemma | *I thought* |
| 23:14.35 | pinheiro | well the missing ui bit is rely just the hadding the acount |
| 23:14.35 | macmaN | i was really hoping for skype ui in this fw update |
| 23:14.58 | pinheiro | after you do that it works |
| 23:15.12 | pinheiro | like the n9 i think |
| 23:15.18 | artemma | funny, I wonder what the reason for not including UI is if MohammadAG was able to just copy files |
| 23:15.22 | pinheiro | aka no video calls |
| 23:15.40 | pinheiro | "Note that this is a temporary hack as these services will be properly integrated in future firmware. " |
| 23:15.46 | artemma | pinheiro: you mean after I do http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#GTalk_and_Skype_account_setup ? |
| 23:15.59 | pinheiro | yes |
| 23:16.13 | pinheiro | contacts work call work im works |
| 23:16.20 | artemma | does it add the same stuff as in UI? |
| 23:16.23 | artemma | just wondering |
| 23:16.31 | artemma | same UI stuff as in N9 |
| 23:16.43 | pinheiro | thin so |
| 23:16.47 | macmaN | bad thing there's no icons and no nothing for the entries |
| 23:16.49 | pinheiro | i dont have an n9 |
| 23:17.02 | macmaN | there are just some seemingly random usernames in the call dialog |
| 23:17.06 | artemma | aha, I am reading about limitations |
| 23:17.17 | artemma | yeah, probably it will look a little differently |
| 23:17.22 | artemma | well, I'll give it a try :) |
| 23:17.34 | artemma | probably it won't support group chat |
| 23:17.48 | pinheiro | duno havent tried that |
| 23:18.27 | artemma | aha, the limitation seems to be that you won't see the online contact status in contacts |
| 23:18.35 | macmaN | hrm |
| 23:18.36 | macmaN | ~ # apt-get install account-plugin-skype |
| 23:18.36 | macmaN | Reading package lists... Done |
| 23:18.37 | macmaN | Building dependency tree |
| 23:18.37 | macmaN | Reading state information... Done |
| 23:18.37 | artemma | so you need to guess if somebody's online or not |
| 23:18.39 | macmaN | Package account-plugin-skype is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:18.42 | macmaN | ... |
| 23:18.47 | pinheiro | artemma: nope that i se |
| 23:18.49 | pinheiro | see |
| 23:19.04 | pinheiro | it tell me if teh contects are online or not |
| 23:19.19 | artemma | fires the terminal |
| 23:19.21 | pinheiro | artemma: best thing to do is to try it |
| 23:19.41 | artemma | macmaN: what was that? Were you able to install it via apt-get? |
| 23:19.54 | macmaN | no, it doesnt find the package |
| 23:20.08 | macmaN | i also cant find the package that it says refers to account-plugin-skype |
| 23:20.16 | macmaN | but im not a apt wizard |
| 23:20.17 | pinheiro | macmaN: it alrady there |
| 23:20.21 | pinheiro | gii |
| 23:20.22 | macmaN | if it was emerge, i would be game |
| 23:20.28 | pinheiro | and im a silly dsigner |
| 23:20.38 | pinheiro | :D |
| 23:20.40 | macmaN | iat already there? |
| 23:20.43 | macmaN | it* |
| 23:20.46 | pinheiro | it is |
| 23:20.52 | artemma | silly designers can't start apt-get :) |
| 23:21.16 | pinheiro | fire the terminal and do "mc-tool add spirit/skype skype string:account=skypename string:password=secretpasswordhere" |
| 23:21.23 | pinheiro | as root |
| 23:22.14 | macmaN | telepathy-spirit is already installed also.. |
| 23:22.28 | macmaN | i have no idea why the account-plugin-skype package isnt available |
| 23:23.28 | pinheiro | cmon |
| 23:23.34 | pinheiro | reapeat after me |
| 23:23.40 | pinheiro | it is alrady there |
| 23:24.15 | pinheiro | haaaaaaa |
| 23:24.21 | pinheiro | duno |
| 23:24.27 | artemma | hmm, I ran the mc-tool commands |
| 23:24.37 | artemma | worked and.. what's next? |
| 23:24.45 | pinheiro | nothing its done |
| 23:25.03 | pinheiro | check availability |
| 23:25.06 | pinheiro | or contacts |
| 23:25.14 | artemma | tried |
| 23:25.23 | pinheiro | new contacts shoud appear |
| 23:25.54 | artemma | aha! |
| 23:26.00 | artemma | it took a biy of time |
| 23:26.03 | pinheiro | ;) |
| 23:26.15 | pinheiro | wecome to skype |
| 23:26.17 | pinheiro | :) |
| 23:26.30 | pinheiro | caling the skype test numbr does not work |
| 23:26.40 | pinheiro | but regular contact work fine |
| 23:27.24 | artemma | fck! it started showing today's chat messages in nitifications! :) |
| 23:27.35 | pinheiro | heheheh |
| 23:27.41 | pinheiro | yeap |
| 23:27.58 | pinheiro | skype is like that you can be online in multiple devices |
| 23:28.20 | pinheiro | so a chat will pop up in your phne |
| 23:28.25 | macmaN | artemma: separate mobile account is the only way for skype |
| 23:28.28 | macmaN | otherwise you get killed |
| 23:28.51 | pinheiro | exageration :D |
| 23:28.58 | artemma | hmm, I can't see how to call or chat from contacts |
| 23:29.12 | pinheiro | not from contacts |
| 23:29.16 | macmaN | yes from contacts |
| 23:29.21 | pinheiro | chat from the chat app |
| 23:29.22 | artemma | ? :) |
| 23:29.31 | pinheiro | call from the phone app |
| 23:29.48 | macmaN | wait no, i take that back, yes from the phone app |
| 23:30.22 | pinheiro | yes that part is also missing |
| 23:30.24 | artemma | found it |
| 23:30.27 | artemma | thanks guys |
| 23:30.30 | pinheiro | np |
| 23:30.42 | artemma | I wonder if there's a way to fliter just skype or just google contacts |
| 23:30.46 | artemma | I've got quite many :) |
| 23:31.05 | pinheiro | merge them all :D |
| 23:31.09 | pinheiro | thst what i do |
| 23:31.24 | pinheiro | so i dont care if im caling from skype or gtlak or whatever |
| 23:31.26 | macmaN | artemma: tap settings -> show |
| 23:31.28 | macmaN | in contacts |
| 23:31.31 | artemma | pinheiro: most of my skype contacts don't wnat to see on mobile :) |
| 23:31.38 | macmaN | althought in can only choose pb, sim, facebook from there |
| 23:31.42 | artemma | and then i have not many skype contacts |
| 23:32.15 | artemma | and even if phonebook could filter skype, you still can't call from it |
| 23:32.26 | artemma | well, the full integration was not promised by the methof |
| 23:32.35 | artemma | it's a pity official skype isn't here yet |
| 23:32.56 | artemma | separate skype account for mobile is handy and not handy. I tried this way, takes too much of notification about your too contacts to everybody |
| 23:33.11 | artemma | and then again sometimes you are into work stuff on mobile sometimes not |
| 23:33.32 | macmaN | yep. depends on your contact and multichat count. |
| 23:33.42 | artemma | real proper way for skype would be twitter-like lists, So that I could enable/-disable some lists for desktop/mobile |
| 23:33.43 | macmaN | no phone can probably handle my main account very well |
| 23:33.53 | macmaN | yep |
| 23:34.05 | pinheiro | you guys got alaxy on Fire app on the update? |
| 23:34.06 | macmaN | unfortunately their sync protocol is the simplest thing ever created |
| 23:34.16 | macmaN | pinheiro: apt-get install gof2 |
| 23:34.22 | artemma | or N9tish hack could create two "skype filtered" accounts to put on/offline separately :) |
| 23:34.25 | pinheiro | haaa |
| 23:34.26 | artemma | what's gof2? |
| 23:34.45 | macmaN | something that crashed for me |
| 23:35.00 | artemma | BTW, skype group chats seem to work |
| 23:35.19 | artemma | Holy Cow: New messages: 301 |
| 23:35.20 | artemma | ! |
| 23:35.33 | artemma | that's lock screen note after starting with skype : |
| 23:35.35 | macmaN | but i have to say, nfs and gof2 gfx are impressivez |
| 23:35.35 | artemma | ) |
| 23:35.35 | artemma | :) |
| 23:35.40 | pinheiro | did the root pass changed? |
| 23:36.34 | artemma | nope |
| 23:37.12 | artemma | installed that skype under devel-su/rootme |
| 23:37.50 | pinheiro | shh root@ip no longuer works |
| 23:42.53 | macmaN | aight, im out |
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| 23:44.23 | rncbc | howdy |
| 23:44.49 | rncbc | i need some help please, re. todays n950 device update |
| 23:45.20 | pinheiro | ask |
| 23:45.26 | pinheiro | maybe we know |
| 23:45.29 | rncbc | my n950 got stuck in flight mode and i can't get out of it |
| 23:45.37 | pinheiro | :) |
| 23:45.47 | pinheiro | shutdown? |
| 23:46.02 | rncbc | did restart several times now |
| 23:46.18 | pinheiro | 8second reset? |
| 23:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | won't change anything |
| 23:46.46 | rncbc | always starts in flight mode. ah. lets try that 8second trick... |
| 23:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | either the modem is "dead", or the setting got stuck in gconf or whatever is storing it persistently |
| 23:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | there's nothing special in 8s-"trick" |
| 23:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | it just shits down the hw hard way, if OS is frozen |
| 23:48.08 | rncbc | the modem is not completely dead. it can do voice calls and receive |
| 23:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | shuts, mut meh, matches as well |
| 23:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | mut beh, but meh |
| 23:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | you can do voice calls in flight mode??? |
| 23:49.15 | rncbc | yes, emergency calls as it says |
| 23:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | so wtf is flight mode then? |
| 23:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | it SAYS that |
| 23:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | sounds to me like missing SIM, or SIM PIN not correctly entered |
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| 23:50.19 | rncbc | yes it says "emergency call" and just tried and it receives calls too |
| 23:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | it mustn't receive calls in flight mode |
| 23:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | there's something thoroughly messed up |
| 23:51.42 | rncbc | does anyone know the default/factory security code of flight mode? i'm stuck with a n950 asking for it |
| 23:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen a similar thing for SIP calls, when the account got nuked by apt |
| 23:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, I'd try 12345 |
| 23:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | never knew flight mode needs a security code to unlock |
| 23:52.58 | rncbc | no. 12345 doesn't work. i've tried that several times now |
| 23:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | sounds again like SIM card issue, or account messed up |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | your problem is not locked up flight mode, that's not flight mode at all |
| 23:53.41 | rncbc | i don't think so, the sim pin code gets accepted alright |
| 23:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | could somebody check if for disabling flightmode you normally need a code, please? |
| 23:54.56 | rncbc | and i can do calls and receive, but always through the emergency call dial pad only |
| 23:55.13 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: you do not |
| 23:55.16 | ieatlint | unless that was just added |
| 23:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 23:55.33 | ieatlint | rncbc: have you tried removing the sim card and booting the phone? |
| 23:55.37 | ieatlint | see if it's still in flight mode? |
| 23:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | check this, compare if your problems are faintly similar: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875 |
| 23:56.05 | rncbc | ieatlint: i'll try that... |
| 23:56.40 | ieatlint | if you turn the phone off in flight mode, it should prompt you on boot whether you want to stay in flight mode or return to normal |
| 23:57.10 | pinheiro | what is the name of the pacage for needfor spped |
| 23:58.19 | ieatlint | nfsshift |
| 23:58.37 | rncbc | ieatlint: booting now w/o sim card... |
| 23:59.16 | rncbc | no luck. it kepps asking for damn security code. :( |
| 23:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, apt-cache search account-plugin |