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| 03:05.46 | javispedro | funnily enough, the statusbar bluetooth icon seems to _disappear_ when I actually use bluetooth |
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| 03:13.18 | berndhs | only enough power budget for BT or icon, not both ? |
| 03:14.51 | javispedro | possibly =) |
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| 04:19.07 | Scifig | Does anyone have a recommendation on keeping/deleting DigiNotar cert from harmattan? If deleting, how? Not that I have hyper-confidential data. I want to know what you guys did. |
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| 05:31.56 | dm8tbr | Scifig: I'd expect that it will not be present in an update to more recent firmware |
| 05:32.38 | Stskeeps | morn dm8tbr |
| 05:32.49 | dm8tbr | mrng Stskeeps |
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| 05:37.42 | Scifig | dm8tbr, GM. Hopefully it will be revoked. Allowing deletion by users would have been helpful with more CAs getting hacked these days. |
| 05:39.24 | Stskeeps | i thought there's a certificate manager |
| 05:42.33 | dm8tbr | yeah, but apparently you can't remove... |
| 05:43.10 | Scifig | Stskeeps, atleast not through UI. May be some sqlite DB modification works. |
| 05:43.39 | Scifig | But with aegis I would think twice before modifying pre-installed files |
| 05:44.03 | Stskeeps | Scifig: fairly sure i saw a list of certificate somewhere |
| 05:44.23 | Stskeeps | in settings |
| 05:44.36 | Scifig | yes it is read-only though |
| 05:44.40 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 05:44.44 | Stskeeps | tap and hold? |
| 05:44.53 | Stskeeps | or click and delete |
| 05:46.26 | Scifig | tap and hold --> Details page. Highlight and Backspace (or) Ctrl+X doesn't work :) |
| 05:46.51 | dm8tbr | hmm could be a valid bug for PMO |
| 05:47.12 | Scifig | Apparantly they didn't anticipate CAs getting hacked |
| 05:48.04 | Scifig | I don't blame them |
| 05:49.50 | dm8tbr | I think being able to individually revoke trust for CAs has always been a valid point |
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| 05:59.42 | Scifig | Agree. I have read that some people like to revoke trust for all CAs from certain countries. That's a bit too paranoid for me. But it is good to have a choice. |
| 06:00.59 | Scifig | wonders whether user-installed certificates can be deleted |
| 06:02.24 | nibbler | revoking trust from CAs is indeed rather important. |
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| 11:26.01 | MohammadAG | aren't the packages open? |
| 11:29.17 | MohammadAG | power saving mode is way too annoying sometimes |
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| 12:26.24 | tstaerk | hi, Sput told me you are the real experts for what I want. |
| 12:26.34 | tstaerk | What is a harmattan device? |
| 12:26.53 | Sput | the N950. |
| 12:27.35 | tstaerk | ok, a don't-call-it-prototype prototype |
| 12:27.36 | SpeedEvil | And the n9 |
| 12:27.49 | tstaerk | falsified |
| 12:28.04 | SpeedEvil | I thought the n9 was supposed to be for sale on the 15th |
| 12:28.29 | tstaerk | SpeedEvil: never mind I was mistaken |
| 12:28.48 | tstaerk | so what does harmattan stand for? Wikipedia does not seem to know. |
| 12:29.06 | SpeedEvil | It's a sort of wind |
| 12:29.24 | Sput | tstaerk: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmattan |
| 12:29.25 | SpeedEvil | It's a theme of naming of the various maemo platforms. |
| 12:29.25 | Sput | :) |
| 12:29.51 | tstaerk | you are becoming like Intel with their codenames |
| 12:29.54 | tstaerk | :) |
| 12:30.28 | tstaerk | N950 is meego-based, correct? |
| 12:30.44 | alterego | It's maemo based with a MeeGo compatible vaneer on to. |
| 12:30.45 | alterego | ~top |
| 12:30.46 | infobot | it has been said that top is not a benchmark |
| 12:31.12 | tstaerk | infobot: I love you |
| 12:31.12 | infobot | You love you? |
| 12:31.31 | tstaerk | infobot: tell me about you |
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| 13:19.19 | MohammadAG | is it normal for the N950 to overheat at times? |
| 13:19.34 | Stskeeps | i think that the metal collects a fair amount of heat |
| 13:19.35 | MohammadAG | Not the normal heating, the one that almost burns |
| 13:19.51 | javispedro | I've never seen it |
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| 13:20.07 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, yeah, I'm used to that from the N8, but this is way more |
| 13:20.36 | Stskeeps | i think the rssi's are totally fucked in the n950 |
| 13:21.06 | alterego | I'd ope it up and check your battery isn't bulging |
| 13:21.22 | MohammadAG | cause opening it up is totally within your agreement's limits ;) |
| 13:21.58 | alterego | pfft, like no one has openned it up yet ;) |
| 13:22.07 | MohammadAG | I haven't :p |
| 13:22.13 | alterego | Well, I haven't but I probably will one day |
| 13:22.26 | MohammadAG | ponders contacting ddp |
| 13:22.29 | javispedro | no one has! |
| 13:22.31 | javispedro | ;P |
| 13:22.32 | alterego | Might get a spare battery, I know at least one person does battery swapping |
| 13:23.12 | alterego | javispedro: how's your watch? :) |
| 13:26.31 | dm8tbr | swaps all the time |
| 13:26.47 | dm8tbr | it's just so much faster than charging |
| 13:27.15 | javispedro | alterego: http://depot.javispedro.com/metawatch/watchtoomany.jpg |
| 13:30.02 | javispedro | so, "in progress" =) |
| 13:31.12 | javispedro | I ponder if the weather data that is shown on the n9 notifications screen will be accessible |
| 13:31.15 | alterego | Hmmm, how to manage layered mouse areas .. |
| 13:31.35 | MohammadAG | events screen javispedro :P |
| 13:32.48 | javispedro | touché |
| 13:43.22 | alterego | wonders if MeeGo CE will be out before we get Harmattan update for N950 :P |
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| 13:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe Mer. |
| 13:45.32 | alterego | :) |
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| 14:05.22 | alterego | Hah, cool, that works :D |
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| 14:10.42 | dm8tbr | alterego: sadly that's not possible AFAIU for 22-6 devices. I don't know the details but I gather booting something own there is quite complicated/impossible. |
| 14:11.13 | dm8tbr | that said CE on the N950 works already quite well if you happen to have a device that allows for it |
| 14:24.09 | alterego | Good point, we need the update to be able to boot it :/ |
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| 15:20.23 | bedahr | is there an easy way to place calls? |
| 15:20.43 | alterego | You mean programmatically? |
| 15:20.47 | bedahr | yes |
| 15:20.51 | bedahr | I mean without becoming a full telepathy client (?)... a dbus call maybe? |
| 15:21.24 | alterego | It's concievable that the same API used in Maemo5 might work in Harmattan |
| 15:21.33 | bedahr | doesn't look like it |
| 15:21.37 | bedahr | at least the dbus interface is gone |
| 15:21.45 | MohammadAG | ei after c, damn you alterego |
| 15:21.49 | alterego | Try this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
| 15:21.59 | alterego | :P |
| 15:22.47 | bedahr | alterego: already found that - there is no inteface called "com.nokia.csd.Call" (anymore) |
| 15:23.22 | alterego | Oh |
| 15:24.11 | bedahr | there is just Com.Nokia.Telephony.CallUi for the ui (which has answering!) and the telepathy stuff |
| 15:25.06 | bedahr | and telepathy looks a bit much for a simple call: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc/telepathy-qt4/classes.html |
| 15:26.18 | dm8tbr | this Com.Nokia.Telephony.CallUi - would that also provide data about incoming calls? |
| 15:26.35 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"number" uint32:0 |
| 15:26.49 | bedahr | dm8tbr: yes, there are signals |
| 15:27.00 | MohammadAG | you'll need the aegis manifest for dbus otherwise it's rejected |
| 15:27.03 | MohammadAG | in terminal, you need develsh |
| 15:27.25 | bedahr | MohammadAG: ahh... I was looking at the session bus xD |
| 15:27.29 | bedahr | awesome |
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| 15:28.28 | bedahr | closes the telepathy reference documentation (thank god) |
| 15:30.15 | dm8tbr | very good info. need to reuse that later for the liveview/metawatch |
| 15:31.10 | javispedro | dm8tbr: looked at libcommhistory? |
| 15:31.17 | alterego | Anyone know off hand how big the harmattan icons are? |
| 15:32.06 | dm8tbr | javispedro: no, would that provide real time incoming call info? |
| 15:32.17 | javispedro | dm8tbr: http://wiki.meego.com/Commhistory documentation is not exactly extensive here |
| 15:32.25 | deimos | alterego: 80x80 |
| 15:32.38 | javispedro | dm8tbr: dunno yet, but it does list missed call count |
| 15:32.42 | alterego | Thanks |
| 15:32.44 | dm8tbr | mhm |
| 15:32.48 | alterego | deimos: ;) |
| 15:32.54 | javispedro | (as well as sms) |
| 15:36.00 | MohammadAG | in other news, javispedro will be happy that the HP touchpad runs android better now |
| 15:37.00 | javispedro | I wouldn't use the word better.. |
| 15:39.37 | bedahr | dm8tbr: dbus-monitor can probably help you (if you don't already know it) |
| 15:40.12 | dm8tbr | thanks |
| 15:40.33 | javispedro | this reminds me.. |
| 15:40.37 | dm8tbr | I'm still hope to piggyback on whatever happens for the metawatch :) |
| 15:40.47 | dm8tbr | as stuff is fairly similar |
| 15:40.53 | javispedro | to enable eavesdropping on the session bus in harmattan |
| 15:41.04 | javispedro | drop http://pastebin.com/2w9aux2m into /etc/dbus-1/session-eavesdropping.conf |
| 15:41.08 | javispedro | name _is_ important |
| 15:41.13 | MohammadAG | anyone wanna make a wiki page for N9/50 DBus calls? |
| 15:41.22 | MohammadAG | you know, like the notification dbus messages etc etc |
| 15:42.01 | alterego | looks at MohammadAG |
| 15:42.07 | alterego | I nominate you |
| 15:42.24 | MohammadAG | Rejected |
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| 15:42.54 | javispedro | Pikachu, I choose you! |
| 15:44.11 | MohammadAG | we have a pokemon? |
| 15:45.50 | MohammadAG | need some opinions |
| 15:46.00 | MohammadAG | what would be a better way to deactivate a notification LED? |
| 15:46.14 | MohammadAG | when the notification is seen or opened? |
| 15:46.28 | MohammadAG | seen = you saw the lock screen, opened = cleared |
| 15:46.49 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking clearing them's better since the N950 unlocks itself in my pocket anyway |
| 15:47.29 | alterego | The N900 doesn't clear indicator led when unlocked |
| 15:47.40 | alterego | It does it when you "clear" the notification by viewing it or dismissing it. |
| 15:47.45 | alterego | Which I think is a much better idea. |
| 15:48.52 | MohammadAG | now question no. 2 |
| 15:49.06 | MohammadAG | do I have to read some SQLite database to see what notifications there are, or is there an interface? |
| 15:49.21 | MohammadAG | there's an eventAdded DBus signal, but no signal for clearing the notifications |
| 15:50.00 | alterego | Hmm |
| 15:51.29 | alterego | Nearly cloned the harmattan home screens with my own QML version |
| 15:51.39 | MohammadAG | this should be part of the standard MeeGo API |
| 15:51.51 | w00t | alterego: playing with lipstick? |
| 15:51.57 | alterego | Well, that actual UI stuff, need to hook up things like icons for the launcher and stuff |
| 15:51.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, yay, more memory usage |
| 15:52.00 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 15:52.07 | alterego | w00t: I was thinking of overlaying it on lipstick |
| 15:52.11 | w00t | alterego: please do |
| 15:52.15 | w00t | saves me writing the qml ;) |
| 15:52.18 | alterego | :) |
| 15:52.29 | w00t | was just dreading trying to make it not look ugly |
| 15:52.53 | alterego | w00t: well it's quite close to completion now. |
| 15:52.59 | w00t | :) |
| 15:53.01 | berndhs | how does one talk to the virtual keyboard? whether it's displayed, what orientation, that sort of thing |
| 15:53.22 | alterego | w00t: you know that screencast I showed you the other day with the moving of activities around a grid? |
| 15:53.26 | w00t | yes |
| 15:53.40 | alterego | I use that same system for editing the position of icons in an app launcher now |
| 15:53.44 | alterego | Like harmattan |
| 15:53.53 | w00t | neat |
| 15:53.54 | alterego | And you can also scroll between the activities and application launcher views too :) |
| 15:54.00 | alterego | s/scroll/swipe/ |
| 15:54.27 | w00t | *nod* |
| 15:55.07 | alterego | So I should be able to wire all of this up to your lipstick stuff, implement the icon reordering backend in pure QML though I might do it in C++ in your code. |
| 15:55.15 | alterego | And, erm, need a statusbar |
| 15:55.26 | alterego | Does lipstick do anything around the statusbar? |
| 15:55.29 | w00t | as in, the wifi indicators/etc? |
| 15:55.34 | alterego | Yes |
| 15:55.41 | w00t | I'm not sure how to best approach that |
| 15:55.49 | w00t | it's rather system-dependent, which is a pain |
| 15:55.55 | alterego | Hmm |
| 15:56.08 | alterego | Can we not just use the current meego one? |
| 15:56.24 | w00t | easiest way would be to wrap a QML item around MStatusBar, but ehh.. I don't want to depend on meegotouch if i can concievably avoid it |
| 15:58.39 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:58.50 | MohammadAG | why not use Qt Mobility and render your own status menu? |
| 15:59.12 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 15:59.20 | alterego | I might see the plausibility of that. |
| 15:59.31 | alterego | It also acts as a good test of the completeness of mobility on MeeGo CE |
| 16:00.50 | alterego | Now to clean up the delegate handling in my wacky gridview |
| 16:01.02 | alterego | Oh and add auto scrolling when you try to drag an item off the edge of the screen. |
| 16:01.16 | javispedro | MohammadAG: oh, so you want to find a way to read current pending MNotifications too? |
| 16:01.26 | javispedro | I was just trying to guess how that would be done right now. |
| 16:01.40 | MohammadAG | javispedro, either that, or find a way to see which ones are added and removed |
| 16:01.46 | MohammadAG | that way I can store notification IDs internally |
| 16:01.51 | javispedro | some are persistent AIUI |
| 16:01.58 | javispedro | which means system puts them back after a reboot |
| 16:02.05 | javispedro | so _there_ has to be a DB |
| 16:02.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, look at this http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libcommhistory/modelwatcher_8cpp_source.html |
| 16:02.22 | javispedro | but are you sure those are MNotifications? |
| 16:02.35 | MohammadAG | same DBus messages |
| 16:02.38 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:03.02 | javispedro | either way, ModelTestWatcher is not something I'd paid attention right now =) |
| 16:04.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libcommhistory/classCommHistory_1_1Event.html |
| 16:04.53 | javispedro | technically libcommhistory should be astracted by QtM too |
| 16:05.09 | javispedro | here's mnotification for reference : https://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/libdui/trees/0dc456e67f140eab7682c0fff59068a2d33546b3/src/corelib/notification |
| 16:05.12 | bedahr | another question: is there a quick and easy way to let the user "pick" a contact from his address book? like a ready made (qml) component somewhere? or do I have to resort to the QtMobility API myself (which wouldn't be so bad anyway)? |
| 16:06.01 | MohammadAG | is there a way to see which files are being written to? |
| 16:06.03 | javispedro | err... better url https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/src/corelib/notification |
| 16:06.06 | MohammadAG | kinda like strace but for all binaries |
| 16:06.21 | bedahr | hm there is a contacts picker in meegoo... |
| 16:06.23 | bedahr | *meego |
| 16:06.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there's one such option in laptop_mode, but it's probably hard to enable in n950 kernel |
| 16:06.50 | MohammadAG | "/.config/libmeegotouch/notifications/" |
| 16:07.19 | MohammadAG | commhistoryd.data <-- gotcha |
| 16:07.29 | javispedro | not necessarily |
| 16:07.33 | MohammadAG | or not |
| 16:07.34 | javispedro | it might be commhistoryd using MNotification to write that |
| 16:07.46 | MohammadAG | sociality-mtf.data |
| 16:07.50 | javispedro | haha |
| 16:08.39 | javispedro | well, those files are written by MNotificationManager in MTF |
| 16:08.50 | javispedro | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/blobs/master/src/corelib/notification/mnotificationmanager.cpp#line25 |
| 16:09.17 | MohammadAG | yes, that's where I found it |
| 16:09.33 | javispedro | so that's where MNotifications persist |
| 16:10.01 | javispedro | I wonder if there's a daemon or sth that reads these files at boot and prefills the events view |
| 16:10.13 | MohammadAG | tbh |
| 16:10.19 | MohammadAG | nothing changes there |
| 16:11.18 | javispedro | there's a com.meego.core.MNotificationManager.notificationList method |
| 16:11.27 | javispedro | returns a QList<MNotification> |
| 16:11.42 | javispedro | dbus method actually. |
| 16:12.06 | MohammadAG | Well, here's where the feed is stored (facebook/twitter/stuff) /.config/meegotouchhome-nokia/eventsfeed.data |
| 16:13.10 | javispedro | I wish I had a way to send me IMs to the N950 |
| 16:13.22 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I call myself with skype right now |
| 16:13.33 | MohammadAG | SkypeOut, you don't pay for missed calls |
| 16:13.33 | javispedro | ah, because you _have_ skype, you evil cheater. |
| 16:13.42 | javispedro | AH |
| 16:13.44 | javispedro | to the phone.. |
| 16:13.48 | javispedro | ok, let's true. |
| 16:13.48 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 16:14.43 | javispedro | dammit |
| 16:14.47 | javispedro | doesn't seem to work, empty list returned |
| 16:14.53 | javispedro | $ qdbus --literal com.meego.core.MNotificationManager /notificationmanager com |
| 16:14.53 | javispedro | .meego.core.MNotificationManager.notificationList 1000 |
| 16:15.33 | javispedro | wait |
| 16:15.40 | javispedro | userId is not unix user id =) |
| 16:16.15 | MohammadAG | where are the docs btw? |
| 16:16.26 | dm8tbr | javispedro: IMs? XMPP works... |
| 16:16.44 | javispedro | dm8tbr: not set it up, do you have the way to do it manually around? |
| 16:17.12 | dm8tbr | I google 'mc-tool xmpp #harmattan' and it's the oldest hit :) |
| 16:17.23 | dm8tbr | (of those to the log) |
| 16:17.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG: not that useful ... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_notification_manager_proxy.html |
| 16:17.50 | dm8tbr | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-08-24.log.html#t2011-08-24T08:26:40 |
| 16:18.01 | javispedro | dm8tbr: thanks |
| 16:19.05 | dm8tbr | the only downside I've noticed is that because it's not a fully registered service thingy contacts don't have a button to send them a message, although they will have the status dot |
| 16:19.37 | dm8tbr | once you have received a message you can just go back to the conversation and use that |
| 16:20.37 | javispedro | this is great |
| 16:20.49 | javispedro | can you believe it's the first time I see the harmattan IM ui |
| 16:21.14 | javispedro | you can start a chat session within the conversations app just fine |
| 16:21.20 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you noob |
| 16:21.34 | MohammadAG | you should start putting things you found together |
| 16:22.37 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xUcYe0Ts |
| 16:23.16 | javispedro | aha |
| 16:23.22 | javispedro | that makes sense, user id means client id |
| 16:23.43 | javispedro | you can get a new one with the notificationUserId method |
| 16:24.34 | javispedro | (meanwhile, mail app just decided to do its job, so I now have a gazillion MNotifications..) |
| 16:24.49 | MohammadAG | point is |
| 16:24.59 | MohammadAG | this seems to be easy |
| 16:25.07 | MohammadAG | parse all IDs in the folder |
| 16:25.15 | javispedro | that's clearly QSettings |
| 16:25.20 | javispedro | so you don't even need to aprse |
| 16:25.28 | MohammadAG | use QSettings to parse |
| 16:25.32 | MohammadAG | don't correct me ! |
| 16:25.33 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 16:25.37 | javispedro | hides |
| 16:25.55 | MohammadAG | anyway, read notification ID, cast it to a QList, and you're dnoe |
| 16:26.31 | javispedro | seems so |
| 16:26.38 | javispedro | still need a signal to know when they change |
| 16:26.38 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 16:26.52 | MohammadAG | there's eventsAdded |
| 16:26.58 | MohammadAG | or eventAdded* |
| 16:27.15 | MohammadAG | not sure about removing them, the proxy thing I linked you to seems to monitor them |
| 16:27.36 | javispedro | there's removeNotification(userId, notificationId) |
| 16:27.55 | MohammadAG | thanks for that, need it for sociality |
| 16:28.00 | MohammadAG | but that's no signal ;) |
| 16:28.05 | javispedro | ah |
| 16:28.25 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 16:28.34 | MohammadAG | isn't this MeeGo's domain? |
| 16:29.10 | javispedro | handset |
| 16:30.48 | javispedro | aha |
| 16:30.59 | javispedro | the implementer of this dbus service is ... wait for it ... system-ui. |
| 16:31.09 | alterego | Oh, I need to do continuous swiping too. |
| 16:31.13 | alterego | Thinking about it. |
| 16:31.25 | alterego | Is that something people would miss in a swipe like UI? |
| 16:31.32 | alterego | Between home screens? |
| 16:31.41 | w00t | alterego: i don't think it's needed for an initial start (which is why i didn't bother doing it) |
| 16:32.42 | alterego | Okay, I'll just clean up my magic gridview code. |
| 16:32.43 | MohammadAG | javispedro, that's also MeeGo's domain :p |
| 16:32.53 | alterego | Then look at hooking it ontop of lipstick :) |
| 16:33.14 | javispedro | MohammadAG: seemingly, there's an interface called MNotificationSink which "Notification displayers" are supposed to implement |
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| 16:33.26 | javispedro | obviously swipe implements it |
| 16:33.47 | MohammadAG | so they forgot to impelement eventDeleted? |
| 16:33.55 | MohammadAG | le* |
| 16:34.17 | javispedro | no, but this has all the stuff I at least want |
| 16:34.30 | javispedro | this interface is called with stuff like "Notification(MNotification& m) |
| 16:34.46 | javispedro | and it can signal "notificationRemovalRequest" |
| 16:35.08 | MohammadAG | oh right |
| 16:35.28 | javispedro | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui/blobs/master/src/libnotificationsystem/notificationsink.h |
| 16:35.31 | javispedro | it even has some docs there |
| 16:36.11 | javispedro | so, technically, my watch daemon will have to export an implementation of that |
| 16:36.51 | javispedro | ponders why that header is not public then |
| 16:37.51 | alterego | That's what I need, a way to share notifications between all my meego devices. |
| 16:38.35 | javispedro | oh, package libnotificationsystem-dev |
| 16:38.51 | javispedro | it even has docs |
| 16:38.55 | javispedro | they just forgot to put them in harmattan-dev |
| 16:39.28 | javispedro | verrry nice. |
| 16:39.35 | alterego | I used to have a script that showed notifications on my laptop from my N900 when I got sms messages. |
| 16:40.29 | MohammadAG | javispedro, so does it actually work :P |
| 16:40.34 | javispedro | need to try |
| 16:42.44 | javispedro | so far, I think it does work |
| 16:42.54 | MohammadAG | how do you know? |
| 16:43.09 | javispedro | because two apps already implement the interface, systemui itself (to show the flag icon), and the closed swipe |
| 16:43.23 | javispedro | so, unless there's a hardcoded list somewhere ... ;P |
| 16:45.11 | MohammadAG | oh yeah, the flag icon |
| 16:49.25 | hiemanshu | 48 hours to N9 Launch, where is my new firmware? |
| 16:50.05 | javispedro | right behind you! |
| 16:50.17 | javispedro | now that I know how to connect to XMPP, who needs new firmware |
| 16:50.27 | hiemanshu | I need skype |
| 16:50.30 | javispedro | ending calls with the power button is how real men do it! |
| 16:50.37 | crevetor | javispedro: I want twitter on my events feed |
| 16:50.47 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, what? |
| 16:50.51 | MohammadAG | 48 hours? |
| 16:50.54 | crevetor | and less bugs |
| 16:51.03 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://twitter.com/#!/NokiaUAE/status/115444164627415040 |
| 16:51.06 | MohammadAG | I have twitter on my events feed :P |
| 16:51.08 | hiemanshu | and not being able to pick up calls |
| 16:51.21 | crevetor | MohammadAG: how ? |
| 16:51.30 | MohammadAG | crevetor, not in a legal way |
| 16:51.41 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, wait, so it's on sale in 2 days? |
| 16:51.50 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 16:51.51 | dm8tbr | hiemanshu: did you check which plugins are available in telepathy? |
| 16:51.52 | crevetor | :) |
| 16:52.00 | MohammadAG | when can I trade my N950 for it? :P |
| 16:52.08 | hiemanshu | dm8tbr: never got around to it, too busy with real life |
| 16:52.22 | hiemanshu | moving places, family stuff and such |
| 16:52.37 | dm8tbr | *nod* |
| 16:52.43 | dm8tbr | just saying... |
| 16:53.16 | hiemanshu | yeah, maybe when I am at work tomorrow |
| 16:53.38 | bedahr | hm, I'm getting an error from aegis when accessing the contacts... my manifest looks like this: http://pastebin.com/n36TVjc6 |
| 16:53.40 | hiemanshu | I still haven't got my internet at home, I am on via quassel2go on my n900 |
| 16:54.09 | bedahr | and that's the error I get: http://pastebin.com/Ym2MKE5f |
| 16:54.29 | bedahr | any ideas? might it have something to do with the "missing checksum" that I get during packaging? |
| 16:57.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I'd love some sample code if you get it working :P |
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| 17:23.44 | vitna | hy |
| 17:23.46 | vitna | hi |
| 17:24.00 | vitna | what about this channel? |
| 17:24.09 | vitna | u are harmattan devs? |
| 17:25.39 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 17:25.53 | hiemanshu | we are secretly nuclear scientists too though |
| 17:26.11 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: did you procure the nuclear reactor to make fuel for the jet engine? |
| 17:26.38 | vitna | can u kill elop with your resoruces? |
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| 17:27.02 | hiemanshu | we haev a different mission, to take over the world! |
| 17:27.06 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yes, but unfortunately there was a leak that may sink the US |
| 17:27.09 | dm8tbr | no, but I can make you disappear from this channel... |
| 17:27.50 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: thats fine, who cared about the US anyways |
| 17:28.08 | vitna | dm8tbr...sorry is a joke |
| 17:29.39 | vitna | someone know when will be released an update for N950? |
| 17:29.57 | Tronic | Those who know cannot tell. |
| 17:30.15 | Tronic | My guess is soon after N9 is available. |
| 17:30.37 | dm8tbr | that is the common best guess, yes |
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| 17:32.39 | vitna | ok |
| 17:33.08 | vitna | the problem is that the availability of N9 is a mistery too |
| 17:33.20 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o hiemanshu] by ChanServ |
| 17:34.56 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o hiemanshu] by hiemanshu |
| 17:35.49 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o hiemanshu] by ChanServ |
| 17:35.54 | *** topic/#harmattan by hiemanshu -> A cozy little place for pure harmattan device and development discussions | No discussion that requires NDA please!| And no asking about newer firmware | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing, discuss in #meego-arm please | RIP lcuk, lets all pray for him | logs: http://mg.po |
| 17:36.08 | javispedro | you _destroyed_ the topic! |
| 17:36.26 | hiemanshu | fixing, give me a few |
| 17:36.42 | Venemo | "And no asking about newer firmware"??? hiemanshu??? SRSLY??? |
| 17:37.09 | Venemo | well, anyway, I was never asking ABOUT the newer firmware... I was only asking FOR the newer firmware... :P |
| 17:38.23 | vitna | what about you talk here? |
| 17:38.35 | vitna | if n9 isnt commercialized yet |
| 17:38.48 | vitna | all about the ux harmattan is a secret |
| 17:38.51 | vitna | or not? |
| 17:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | please don't cram /topic with epic instructions and smalltalk |
| 17:39.37 | *** topic/#harmattan by hiemanshu -> A cozy little place for pure harmattan device and development discussions | No discussion that requires NDA please!| And no asking about newer firmware | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://j.mp/N950Landing | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing, discuss in #meego-arm please | RIP lcuk, lets all pray for him | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-i |
| 17:40.04 | Venemo | vitna, not a secret at all... |
| 17:40.12 | *** topic/#harmattan by hiemanshu -> A cozy little place for pure harmattan device and development discussions | No discussion that requires NDA please!| Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | MeeGo N9(|50) CE on its way, MOSLO still missing, discuss in #meego-arm please | RIP lcuk, lets all pray for him | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ |
| 17:40.19 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o hiemanshu] by hiemanshu |
| 17:40.22 | hiemanshu | Sorry for the spam guys |
| 17:40.27 | Venemo | np |
| 17:40.41 | vitna | yes i want to know what are the topics here |
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| 17:40.51 | hiemanshu | vitna: soccer |
| 17:41.08 | vitna | ok |
| 17:41.49 | vitna | someone here is from a country in wich n9 will be commercialized? |
| 17:46.35 | vitna | bye boys have fun! |
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| 17:53.08 | alterego | yay :) |
| 17:54.24 | hiemanshu | alterego: whats up :P |
| 17:55.56 | alterego | Nothing, just need to implement one more transition (remove items from my super QML grid) and I'm ready to attach it to real data :) |
| 17:56.26 | alterego | Basically, I have two "home" views, one is like maemo5, but you can move about your open applications. |
| 17:56.43 | alterego | And the other is a normal applications launcher grid view, where you can move around and remove your apps. |
| 17:56.52 | alterego | This is a kind of harmattan clone for MeeGo CE |
| 17:57.48 | alterego | And it is coming along realy nicely :) |
| 17:58.44 | Venemo | alterego, you making a MeeGo UX? |
| 17:59.05 | alterego | Trying to yeah. |
| 17:59.33 | alterego | w00t has done some cool work getting QML code to replace the MTF home stuff in his lipstick project. |
| 17:59.46 | alterego | I'm kind of augmenting it with some funky QML and help. |
| 18:05.33 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 18:05.42 | MohammadAG | does turning on the LED needs some special Aegis related crap? |
| 18:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 18:08.41 | MohammadAG | Package led-event-notifier: denied 'mce::LEDControl' -- origin '' does not allow it |
| 18:08.42 | MohammadAG | Package led-event-notifier: denied 'mce::LEDControl' for '/usr/bin/led-event-notifier' -- origin '' does not allow it |
| 18:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | all same as on fremantle |
| 18:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, via mce/dbus. NFI |
| 18:09.23 | alterego | wonders off to do some stuff |
| 18:09.41 | MohammadAG | well, that's a day's work lost |
| 18:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | aegis manifest requesting mce::LEDControl token? |
| 18:10.40 | MohammadAG | I didn't write any manifest |
| 18:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but you could edit it AIUI |
| 18:11.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Mk6UVxJM |
| 18:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | congrats, you spotted another misconfig of aegis |
| 18:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | others call it bug |
| 18:13.18 | MohammadAG | oh for fucks' safe |
| 18:13.19 | MohammadAG | sake |
| 18:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe there's a reason why only genuine Nokia pkgs may request mce::LEDControl |
| 18:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | it maximum safety relevant XP |
| 18:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's |
| 18:14.00 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ping |
| 18:14.12 | javispedro | what? |
| 18:14.20 | javispedro | ah, aegis. |
| 18:14.36 | MohammadAG | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~$ /usr/bin/led-event-notifier |
| 18:14.36 | MohammadAG | sh: /usr/bin/led-event-notifier: Operation not permitted |
| 18:14.38 | MohammadAG | under develsh |
| 18:15.39 | MohammadAG | this is annoying |
| 18:15.44 | MohammadAG | I had it all working without aegis |
| 18:15.54 | javispedro | so, um, yeah |
| 18:15.59 | javispedro | not allowed for even ovi apps seemingly |
| 18:16.06 | MohammadAG | is there a way to make it run |
| 18:16.14 | MohammadAG | where are you checking btw? |
| 18:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | accli -I |
| 18:16.22 | javispedro | /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf |
| 18:17.20 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and is there any way to run the binary? |
| 18:17.23 | MohammadAG | at least on my device? |
| 18:18.03 | javispedro | by doing the unseal.ko thing you will bypass the -EPERM, but I don't know if MCE itself implements a separate cotnrol for it |
| 18:19.12 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I already did that |
| 18:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if there's actually such a check. Maybe there's simply no mce::LEDControl defined and checked, so aegis blows chunks on your app requesting it |
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| 18:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | sounds weird, I know |
| 18:19.40 | javispedro | there's probably a check, /sbin/mce links to libcreds.so.2 |
| 18:19.47 | MohammadAG | there probably isn't |
| 18:19.50 | MohammadAG | I'm using DBus directly |
| 18:19.52 | javispedro | I need to someday extend my fake signer to add tokens.. |
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| 18:20.10 | MohammadAG | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~$ dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /co |
| 18:20.11 | MohammadAG | m/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:"PatternCommunication" |
| 18:20.11 | MohammadAG | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 3 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.1702" (uid=29999 pid=9977 comm="dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_cal") interface="com.nokia.mce.request" member="req_led_pattern_activate" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.mce" (uid=0 pid=9465 comm="/sbin/mce --force-syslog ")) |
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| 18:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: just for a test remove that token request from your pkg's manifest |
| 18:20.28 | javispedro | but this is different frm the error message you pasted above |
| 18:20.46 | MohammadAG | I don't care about aegis rejecting it |
| 18:20.48 | MohammadAG | it'll still run |
| 18:20.53 | MohammadAG | but the LED won't light up |
| 18:20.53 | javispedro | when this -- sh: /usr/bin/led-event-notifier: Operation not permitted-- happens, what does dmesg say ? |
| 18:20.59 | javispedro | ah, so it _does_ run |
| 18:21.03 | MohammadAG | javispedro, that's when running it under develsh |
| 18:21.16 | javispedro | binhash.py it will fix that |
| 18:21.20 | javispedro | but still won't fix the dbus problem |
| 18:21.22 | MohammadAG | done that |
| 18:21.29 | MohammadAG | it still doesn't run under develsh |
| 18:21.53 | javispedro | feels déjà vu |
| 18:22.01 | MohammadAG | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# python ./binhash.py /usr/bin/led-event-notifier |
| 18:22.02 | MohammadAG | 9990003 23386 (0,0,33261)s no 5e30f8ec0e356adef047311c3e20972faf251237 |
| 18:22.07 | MohammadAG | at this point what should I do? |
| 18:22.09 | javispedro | and what does dmesg say? |
| 18:22.17 | MohammadAG | [162548.351959] Aegis: led-event-notifier verification failed (source origin check) |
| 18:22.29 | javispedro | and before that? |
| 18:22.34 | javispedro | source origin check? O.o |
| 18:22.52 | javispedro | you have changed the file after binhashing it or something like that? |
| 18:23.01 | MohammadAG | javispedro, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6mbzGxV8 |
| 18:23.03 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 18:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | there's a "firewall" in dbus, and there's aegis checking what credentials to assign to a binary when starting it (AIUI) |
| 18:24.20 | MohammadAG | wooh, works |
| 18:24.21 | javispedro | for some reason binhash is not working on your system.. |
| 18:24.39 | javispedro | now works? :P |
| 18:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | works what? |
| 18:24.54 | MohammadAG | LED activates on call |
| 18:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | what did you do? |
| 18:25.20 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure |
| 18:25.24 | MohammadAG | if anyone wants it I'll upload it |
| 18:26.33 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/Harmattan/led-event-notifier_0.0.1_armel.deb |
| 18:31.21 | dm8tbr | I'd love to see 'led on if notifications >0' |
| 18:32.58 | MohammadAG | technically it just activates the LED on eventsAdded and deactivates it on screen unlocked |
| 18:33.11 | MohammadAG | not the double tap, the whole unlock (slide out of lockscreen) |
| 18:33.58 | MohammadAG | but yeah, better than nothing I guess |
| 18:34.42 | dm8tbr | oooh, shiny! |
| 18:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the pattern is editable in mce.ini as usual |
| 18:35.38 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:35.46 | MohammadAG | it's the one provided by Nokia |
| 18:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | string:"PatternCommunication" I see |
| 18:36.36 | MohammadAG | oh dorms, how I love your upload speed |
| 18:36.38 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:36.56 | MohammadAG | 10 minutes for 10 MBs |
| 18:37.07 | MohammadAG | guess I should start measuring speed by MB/min |
| 18:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | sounds not so bad |
| 18:37.46 | MohammadAG | except that the 10 mins aren't going down every minute |
| 18:38.01 | MohammadAG | and percentage is going down instead of up... |
| 18:38.27 | MohammadAG | I wonder how bad tethering is |
| 18:41.13 | MohammadAG | I guess it doesn't help there's a group video call + 700MB download + youtube upload |
| 18:54.52 | MohammadAG | if only the N950 rotated videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTw-nQVMPng |
| 18:56.13 | deimos | how to do a separator like those in setting ? |
| 18:56.28 | deimos | I mean the separator lines |
| 18:56.42 | MohammadAG | it's a list |
| 18:57.10 | deimos | no, I want to separate some components |
| 18:57.18 | deimos | list ? |
| 18:57.38 | MohammadAG | it's a list of MContentItems |
| 18:57.48 | deimos | ah, thanks |
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| 19:01.00 | bedahr | okay the contacts stuff is working fine now; The only thing missing now is navigation: Anybody got an idea on how to start a navigation to a given location? |
| 19:01.17 | bedahr | I found qml-drive but the dbus-interface doesn't seem to provide anything useful |
| 19:01.42 | bedahr | it does however refer to a "geoUrl" property when starting it but I haven't found out how to pass a value for that |
| 19:01.45 | MohammadAG | maps parameter here |
| 19:02.07 | bedahr | MohammadAG: that'd require the full maps application to be running, right? |
| 19:02.14 | bedahr | or what are you referring to? |
| 19:02.21 | MohammadAG | bedahr, yes? |
| 19:02.43 | bedahr | hm... I'd like to launch directly into the turn by turn navigation with a given destination |
| 19:02.55 | bedahr | they are separate applications |
| 19:02.57 | MohammadAG | sec then |
| 19:03.31 | bedahr | as maps only starts drive-qml with the given destination it should be extremely easy but I can't find any documentation... |
| 19:03.42 | bedahr | source code would help :P |
| 19:03.50 | MohammadAG | drive-qml "geo:0,0?searchTerm=Israel%20Israel%20Jerusalem&action=driveTo" |
| 19:03.59 | bedahr | MohammadAG: awesome! |
| 19:04.00 | MohammadAG | normal exec |
| 19:04.03 | bedahr | thanks a lot |
| 19:04.09 | MohammadAG | anytime :) |
| 19:04.23 | MohammadAG | there's a syntax for that thing somewhere |
| 19:04.39 | MohammadAG | geo:59.4366,24.7686 |
| 19:05.09 | bedahr | actually, the seraching thing is perfect |
| 19:05.23 | bedahr | is there a way to skip the "Drive To" step as well? |
| 19:05.33 | bedahr | (i.e. just make it pick the first search result) |
| 19:05.36 | MohammadAG | doubt it |
| 19:05.45 | bedahr | hm... |
| 19:06.34 | bedahr | too bad |
| 19:07.18 | bedahr | so the user can say "Drive to Paris" and then still has to tab two buttons on screen xD |
| 19:07.37 | MohammadAG | see you have to say Mutha at the end |
| 19:08.04 | bedahr | what do you mean? |
| 19:08.35 | MohammadAG | bad joke |
| 19:09.07 | bedahr | sorry I ruined it then :P |
| 19:09.14 | javispedro | wtf |
| 19:09.27 | javispedro | stupid QtDbus is showing on introspection a method it does not handle |
| 19:22.30 | ajalkane | o ä |
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| 20:36.08 | alterego | My Mock swipe UX :) http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/grande/screencasts/grande-dashboard-20110918-01.avi |
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| 20:41.33 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'd change the easing curve |
| 20:41.41 | MohammadAG | otherwise, nice :D |
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| 21:40.17 | ieatlint | has anyone used a microsim to minisim adapter on a phone with a spring loaded slot like the n950? |
| 21:40.41 | ieatlint | am wondering if i'm kidding myself in thinking one would work, or if it would just be incredibly tedious |
| 21:47.26 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: DO_NOT |
| 21:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Someone screwed their n950 doing that |
| 21:47.46 | SpeedEvil | The little contacts get caught up on the edges |
| 21:50.41 | ieatlint | thanks for the warning... i somehow feared i would screw something up |
| 21:51.46 | alterego | Neat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFfjjproVnE |
| 22:00.17 | deimos | fico |
| 22:08.55 | Tronic | Isn't such an adapter simply a piece of plastic shaped like a minisim but with a microsim-sized hole on it? |
| 22:09.25 | Tronic | Such adapter would seem pretty safe on N950. |
| 22:10.40 | Tronic | Possibly with a drop of superclue or a small piece of tape to hold the microsim in place. |
| 22:12.35 | berndhs | yeah, apply the superglue directly into the SIM slot of the phone :) |
| 22:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: yes. |
| 22:16.18 | SpeedEvil | Tronic: But someone broke their n950 with it |
| 22:16.30 | SpeedEvil | If the resultant SIM is smooth, there should be no danger |
| 22:16.50 | SpeedEvil | But if the contacts that rub along the surface can get caught in the gap, ... |
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