| 00:24.56 | javispedro | aha, managed to issue a reset to metawatch from linux |
| 00:25.10 | GeneralAntilles | Sweet |
| 00:25.26 | javispedro | "mspdebug" > 0.17 works quite well |
| 00:25.30 | javispedro | * >= |
| 00:34.35 | javispedro | finally sending graphics to it... |
| 00:34.46 | javispedro | the framerate is weird, because if you send too much stuff, the watch crashes |
| 00:35.24 | javispedro | by experimentation I've found around 25ms per each two lines updated avoids crashes |
| 00:35.46 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 00:36.02 | javispedro | therefore, 40 fps if all you update is two lines per frame, which is not bad... |
| 00:36.11 | javispedro | but that is not realistic... |
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| 01:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you should've joined and registered chan prior to suggesting |
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| 03:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, lol I was in there earlier. |
| 03:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, hopefully they'll file a contact form anyway. |
| 03:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | file what? |
| 03:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | To get MetaWatch setup as a contact organization |
| 03:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | oh IRC GC |
| 03:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | they didn't even manage to have a proper impressum on their website ;-P |
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| 03:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | and the register confirmation mail was all-HTML and consequently ended in my spam folder |
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| 07:33.20 | sivang | xarcass: you hate iPhone? :) |
| 07:33.30 | xarcass | yep |
| 07:33.31 | sivang | hey |
| 07:33.33 | sivang | , all |
| 07:33.42 | sivang | (bad CR day, so damn HOT in here) |
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| 07:41.07 | ajalkane | I've used iPhone for 30 seconds. |
| 07:41.18 | ajalkane | I was, like, OMG ! Smooth! |
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| 07:42.11 | ajalkane | I hope the N9 whenever it comes can come close to that in smoothness. |
| 07:42.22 | Tronic | It doesn't. |
| 07:42.35 | Tronic | iPhone remains the only device capable of solid 60 FPS. |
| 07:42.52 | Stskeeps | n9 does 60fps very well, too, though |
| 07:42.54 | sivang | ajalkane: already there in alpha/beta on the N950 |
| 07:43.05 | ajalkane | sivang: with that I disagree. |
| 07:43.20 | sivang | Tronic: question is, on what resolution and bandwidth? :) |
| 07:43.24 | Tronic | Stskeeps: Store and other apps suffer of severe slowdowns, unlike their iPhone counterparts. |
| 07:43.41 | sivang | Tronic: specific apps not related to the core platform. |
| 07:44.00 | Tronic | sivang: Might be related to core platform, even down to Linux. |
| 07:44.09 | sivang | Tronic: and being fixed constantly, I had troubles with some OVI apps on N8/E7 and they got all fixed and are quick and snappy now |
| 07:44.17 | sivang | Tronic: store? |
| 07:44.22 | Tronic | I suspect that it might be very difficult if not impossible to make Linux run smoothly 100 % of the time. |
| 07:44.28 | Tronic | It simply isn't designed to do that. |
| 07:44.30 | xarcass | men, that smoothness of the iphone doesn't come cheap, believe me |
| 07:44.31 | Tronic | (even on desktop) |
| 07:44.40 | sivang | Tronic: what's in linux that Darwin's kernel does not to slow down? |
| 07:45.24 | Tronic | Linux has always suffered of long latency spikes on PC. |
| 07:45.29 | ajalkane | xarcass: I do believe. In that I'd never get an iPhone as long as N9 is an alternate (or any Android device for that matter :)) |
| 07:45.31 | sivang | I was once young in Maemo, and I constantly asked - "how come it is so smooth", people taught me to ask what resolutio is it pushing, what's the bandwidth, what happens in the background (quite limited in iphone) |
| 07:46.23 | Tronic | Only in the last few years have people seriously attempted to fix these issues (latencytop, getting rid of the big kernel lock, etc) but much work remains to be done. |
| 07:47.13 | sivang | Tronic: so kernel lock is the problem? is it the same with Android? |
| 07:47.36 | sivang | for me, store or not, N950 is smooth as an iPhone but does better stuff and allows my much better multi tasking. |
| 07:47.37 | Tronic | sivang: Android also suffers of JVM garbage collection, on top of the kernel level issues. |
| 07:47.44 | xarcass | ajalkane: i'd never buy iphone, because it would look like gynecologist buying a vagina, just for home use :) |
| 07:47.45 | sivang | ah right java.. |
| 07:47.48 | sivang | java...:) |
| 07:48.00 | djszapi | xarcass: ha ha .. :D |
| 07:48.04 | sivang | xarcass: wow |
| 07:48.09 | ajalkane | xarcass: poetic :) |
| 07:48.11 | sivang | xarcass: that's deep |
| 07:48.48 | sivang | let's just say, that the paradigm where someone "knows" what's best for you is rapidaly decaying. |
| 07:49.31 | sivang | the N9 UX is based on numerous data mining of user's needs and usage habits, and as a such, not requiring a button nor making it different to use either in right or left hand, |
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| 07:49.52 | sivang | is already much surpassing apple in their faschistic design methodology :) |
| 07:50.30 | djszapi | hi faenil o/ |
| 07:50.55 | faenil | heyaaa |
| 07:50.58 | faenil | :D |
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| 07:51.26 | sivang | hey faenil |
| 07:51.55 | sivang | really, the N9 is amazing. piece of art. |
| 07:52.07 | hiemanshu | sivang: you got one? |
| 07:52.20 | ajalkane | oh sure it is, and I intend to get one when I have enough dough |
| 07:52.24 | faenil | I just want the fw updaaaaate |
| 07:52.25 | faenil | XD |
| 07:52.36 | djszapi | it does not have too long future from what I can say though.. |
| 07:52.55 | ajalkane | who cares about future. The world ends in 2012. |
| 07:52.55 | djszapi | and we could not unfortunately finish quite a few bugs because of the manpower lack. I regret that. |
| 07:53.30 | faenil | djszapi what do u mean? bug in the fw? |
| 07:53.31 | ajalkane | just open source all of it and community fixes the rest :-P |
| 07:53.46 | sivang | hiemanshu: I wish, I have an N950 but I met someone from Nokia that had it for testing, and I played with it heavily. |
| 07:53.56 | sivang | ajalkane: same here. |
| 07:53.58 | hiemanshu | ah nice |
| 07:54.17 | djszapi | faenil: yeah, a lot. |
| 07:54.34 | sivang | ajalkane: 2012, LOL |
| 07:54.43 | faenil | damnit xD |
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| 07:55.27 | sivang | I might be on drugs, but I think we have not seen the least of Linux within Nokia (my personal view alone) and harmattan will be the base for it. |
| 07:56.03 | ajalkane | sivang: That'd require Rich Green storming back and throwing Elop out |
| 07:56.04 | djszapi | faenil: I will try to rent out double beds room, and if I can manage it you can sleep there :) I will see it next week whether I get the reservation i nadvance or I can do it =) |
| 07:56.39 | jreznik | sivang: what's the new of the drug? :) I want one dose too! |
| 07:56.48 | sivang | jreznik: lol |
| 07:56.51 | faenil | djszapi: what do you mean you'll try to rent out? are you trying some magic trick? XD |
| 07:57.06 | sivang | jreznik: I guess you call it "belief" :) |
| 07:57.57 | faenil | djszapi: I have found some nice workarounds for the flights xD |
| 07:58.05 | faenil | atm |
| 07:58.07 | faenil | options are |
| 07:58.20 | sivang | ajalkane: How can we be sure this is not going to happen? sure the company is going through uneasy times, and I think it should be allowed to explore options, the WP7 has already been rumored to be delayed, while harmattan needs more bug fix work while the core platform and meat of product is there. |
| 07:58.22 | djszapi | faenil: workaround for the flights ? :) I meant to say that since my company will prolly sponsor the room, I do not care about the prices :) |
| 07:58.32 | faenil | 45⬠by plane, but I land on 23rd, and I have to stay the night awake at Stansted London |
| 07:58.45 | djszapi | that is managable :) |
| 07:58.46 | faenil | djszapi: well, that's great!! :D |
| 07:58.53 | faenil | yes |
| 07:58.55 | sivang | djszapi, faenil : are you guys talking about dev days? |
| 07:58.59 | faenil | OR |
| 07:59.01 | faenil | sivang: yes |
| 07:59.04 | djszapi | sivang yup :) |
| 07:59.04 | faenil | OR |
| 07:59.19 | faenil | by train: 75â¬, and I arrive on 24th morning, 6am, directly in Munich |
| 07:59.38 | sivang | ah, I wish I was in EU, it could then be so easy... |
| 07:59.56 | faenil | plane is 45, but I have to pay for the night of 23rd, train is 75⬠but I arrive on 24th |
| 08:00.38 | gri | faenil: 75 ⬠from MUC or memmingen? |
| 08:00.46 | gri | or what? |
| 08:00.49 | djszapi | faenil: I would sleep at the airport. |
| 08:00.54 | faenil | 75⬠Pisa-Munich |
| 08:00.58 | gri | oh ok :) |
| 08:01.21 | gri | if it would have been some taxi fee, I had offered to drive you cheaper :P |
| 08:01.33 | faenil | djszapi: not a bad idea actually, the problem is I'm a tough guy when it comes to sleeping...I can't sleep in those situations xD |
| 08:01.57 | faenil | gri: we' trying to pay as low as possible, TAXI doesn't exist in my mind xD |
| 08:02.07 | ajalkane | sivang: antyhing is possible, but as Elops been cutting Meego/Harmattan team down with axe, it' |
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| 08:02.18 | ajalkane | s hard to restart the development |
| 08:02.19 | djszapi | faenil: or B plan, to get to know some nice woman there :) |
| 08:02.35 | faenil | ehehe already engaged xD |
| 08:02.41 | faenil | but that a nice idea ;) |
| 08:02.44 | faenil | was* |
| 08:02.56 | djszapi | see how big hazzle to have a gf ? :p |
| 08:03.19 | faenil | hahahaha |
| 08:03.45 | hiemanshu | djszapi: is that why you are 'Forever Alone' |
| 08:03.47 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 08:05.08 | xarcass | thinks that for several nights for free woman shouldn't even be very nice |
| 08:05.12 | djszapi | hiemanshu: yeah, that is why I would like :) |
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| 08:05.30 | faenil | xD |
| 08:05.44 | hiemanshu | djszapi: you mean s/why/what/ |
| 08:05.50 | gri | djszapi: Now I know why the peregrine guy failed with the contextproperty setting for the observed conversation. Each context property can have exactly one source - which is the messaging app and nothing different ... |
| 08:07.21 | faenil | but he said that could be a list |
| 08:08.11 | gri | the concept seems to be: provider and subscriber. Provider can only be one application |
| 08:08.41 | gri | so I'd kill the messaging app and register mine - sucks :/ |
| 08:09.45 | sivang | ajalkane: if I was working on harmattan, and I get cut down, and then the company changes management and asks me to come back to resume working, if I did not already enroll in a new open source related, world changing job, I think I would have no issue to go back. |
| 08:09.58 | djszapi | gri: I thought there could be several providers, does not make sense to have such restriction |
| 08:10.34 | sivang | ajalkane: because working on harmattan changes the world, supports open source as an side effect and brings sanity to being connected on the go. (not to mention prolonged battery life) |
| 08:10.46 | gri | djszapi: If so, what happens when two apps set one key? |
| 08:10.51 | gri | last wins? |
| 08:11.29 | djszapi | to be honest, I am busy now, and it is not really my area, I just tried to dig myself into this =) |
| 08:11.39 | djszapi | to help you with ;) |
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| 08:11.58 | ajalkane | sivang: Maybe. But its hard to say how much the employees who've been in that situation have anymore trust in Nokia corp |
| 08:11.59 | gri | thank you anyway :) |
| 08:13.36 | sivang | ajalkane: that is something else,true. |
| 08:18.44 | gri | djszapi: I think you're right. The ContextPropertyInfo holds a list of providers. And it makes sense to have only one observed conversation since there can only be one active application running in fullscreen .. so I think I just have to create a second xml file declaring the property and register it |
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| 08:20.15 | djszapi | gri: sure, if you cannot manage it, I can help later tonight, but I need to do my dictionary application for now :p |
| 08:22.24 | sivang | time to get something to eat. |
| 08:22.26 | sivang | laters. |
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| 09:10.29 | gri | djszapi: Got it, no vibrate, no ringtone anymore :) It seems the short beep has to be played manually |
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| 10:07.37 | radiofree | sivang: you're trying to provide something for Messaging.ObservedConversation? |
| 10:07.58 | radiofree | sorry, gri ^ |
| 10:08.17 | gri | radiofree: Already works |
| 10:08.30 | radiofree | ok :) |
| 10:08.57 | gri | Just had to add my own .context file to contextkit and register the dbus service |
| 10:09.01 | radiofree | yep |
| 10:09.02 | gri | then everything went fine |
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| 10:23.36 | alterego | Anyone happen to know how to bring a window that is in the background to the foreground? |
| 10:23.46 | alterego | I've tried "showMaximized" but it doesn't work :/ |
| 10:25.44 | sandst1 | alterego: justasec, i've got that somewhere in my codes.. |
| 10:26.10 | alterego | sandst1: I fixed it with a hide() then a showMaximized(), but if there's a "proper" way :) |
| 10:27.03 | sandst1 | alterego: do you want to bring a window on top of an app or an app on top on the whole system..? |
| 10:27.14 | alterego | App ontop of the whole system. |
| 10:28.03 | sandst1 | alterego: ok. I'm using activatewindow() and then a call to raise() |
| 10:28.15 | alterego | Ah, raise .. |
| 10:28.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, activateWindow() |
| 10:29.00 | alterego | acitvateWindow seems to work slightly differently with plain QApplication (btw, I'm not using MApplication ;)# |
| 10:29.24 | alterego | raise did the trick though :) |
| 10:29.36 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 10:29.44 | alterego | Thanks sandst1 |
| 10:29.46 | MohammadAG | why QApplication though? |
| 10:29.49 | alterego | Better than my hack :D |
| 10:29.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: because this app isn't meant strictly for Harmattan :P |
| 10:30.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, I thought you loved ifdefs |
| 10:30.20 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 10:30.22 | alterego | pfft |
| 10:30.26 | alterego | Only when necessary :) |
| 10:30.45 | sandst1 | alterego: np |
| 10:31.09 | MohammadAG | hates how activateWindow() isn't a slot |
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| 12:44.16 | rantom | Question |
| 12:44.35 | rantom | I hear every now and then a "bong" sound (notification) from my N950 |
| 12:44.47 | Stskeeps | it means you have to drink |
| 12:44.48 | rantom | What does that indicate? |
| 12:44.53 | rantom | :P |
| 12:45.02 | dm8tbr | it's the signal for 'there is no spoon!' |
| 12:45.23 | rantom | Is it a bug or feature? |
| 12:45.35 | rantom | Because I have no idea what it should indicate |
| 12:45.54 | SpeedEvil | Low battery? |
| 12:46.31 | rantom | Yeah, I thought about that too since it's happened a few times |
| 12:46.33 | Hq` | crash reporter? |
| 12:46.37 | rantom | But the battery isn't in red |
| 12:46.44 | Stskeeps | rantom: message while messaging window is open? |
| 12:46.48 | rantom | And it "bonged" again now though it's charging |
| 12:46.50 | rantom | Stskeeps: No |
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| 12:48.13 | Hq` | if the crash reporter is installed, check if it has stored reports |
| 12:48.24 | Hq` | iirc that could cause some "boink" sound |
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| 12:52.16 | rantom | I don't know is it installed |
| 12:53.37 | Hq` | it's listed in settings->applications if it is |
| 12:54.00 | rantom | Didn't see it there |
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| 13:11.01 | MohammadAG | rantom, bong before charging, entering power saver mode |
| 13:11.23 | MohammadAG | since it's on charge, chances are it went over the percentage so it exited power saving mode |
| 13:11.59 | MohammadAG | oh, swiping the virtual kb down closes it, nice |
| 13:13.28 | rantom | MohammadAG: Ah, that would explain it |
| 13:13.38 | rantom | And all the other events also when it bonged |
| 13:13.52 | MohammadAG | also, is it me or does the browser have a wave effect on the right when scrolling? |
| 13:14.08 | rantom | MohammadAG: Double-tapping in top of the screen in Terminal hides vkb also |
| 13:14.10 | MohammadAG | it's like some half scrolls faster than the other |
| 13:14.23 | MohammadAG | rantom, works when tapping once here |
| 13:14.31 | rantom | Ah, my bad, once |
| 13:14.42 | MohammadAG | mg-terminal has a settings icon in the top right if you have it installed |
| 13:14.55 | MohammadAG | oh nice, gotta love Windows |
| 13:15.04 | rantom | BSOD? |
| 13:15.13 | MohammadAG | so I move 4GBs of media files into a folder on the windows partition from linux |
| 13:15.18 | MohammadAG | then i boot up windows |
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| 13:15.27 | hiemanshu | rantom: nope, its not the blue frowny face |
| 13:15.28 | MohammadAG | it changed the folder into a file that can't be accessed |
| 13:15.31 | hiemanshu | in windows 8 |
| 13:15.42 | rantom | hiemanshu: I know, I like it |
| 13:15.50 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Can windows access it? |
| 13:15.50 | MohammadAG | B:(OD |
| 13:16.06 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, neither can, running a CHKDSK |
| 13:16.10 | SpeedEvil | Joy |
| 13:16.11 | MohammadAG | NTFS needs to die |
| 13:16.18 | SpeedEvil | In a fire. |
| 13:16.33 | rantom | As in "burning oil rig"? |
| 13:16.34 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: no, BSO:( |
| 13:16.36 | kkito | MohammadAG: what filesystem are you using? |
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| 13:16.48 | MohammadAG | NTFS |
| 13:16.56 | hiemanshu | reiserfs |
| 13:16.57 | hiemanshu | :D |
| 13:16.58 | MohammadAG | ext4 on linux |
| 13:17.36 | javispedro | moo gentlemen. |
| 13:17.37 | MohammadAG | I wonder if Windows 8 will support ubifs or something for tablets |
| 13:17.43 | MohammadAG | moo javispedro |
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| 13:18.41 | kkito | MohammadAG: Copy files to a ntfs partition in linux is dangerous |
| 13:18.58 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well they will have an arm arch, so well should be possible to make em support it |
| 13:19.00 | hiemanshu | or die |
| 13:19.01 | SpeedEvil | kkito: There are safe ways to so it. |
| 13:19.11 | hiemanshu | kkito: no its not, I have been doing it for ages |
| 13:19.17 | SpeedEvil | kkito: vmware +windows + samba |
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| 13:19.37 | hiemanshu | the only thing is the log file on the NTFS gets fucked up, and windows will check your disc |
| 13:19.39 | kkito | SpeedEvil: I mean, copy files directly, mounting the ntfs partition under linux |
| 13:19.50 | hiemanshu | kkito: works for me, every single time |
| 13:20.01 | MohammadAG | kkito, it's mounted at startup |
| 13:20.03 | hiemanshu | unless you are using some really old distro with old ntfs 3g drivers |
| 13:20.08 | kkito | hiemanshu: you are a lucky guy :) |
| 13:20.29 | hiemanshu | kkito: well, works for almost everyone I know |
| 13:20.36 | javispedro | it's dangerous if it's the boot partition or similar, cause it might destroy security descriptors, etc. |
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| 13:20.41 | rantom | Samba ftw |
| 13:20.44 | hiemanshu | I have a NTFS partition with all my music, so linux and windows can access it |
| 13:20.45 | javispedro | but it should be pretty safe for a data partition |
| 13:20.45 | rantom | (And cifs) |
| 13:21.10 | javispedro | in fact even the in-kernel ntfs driver is safe =) |
| 13:21.31 | kkito | javispedro: i don't think so. NTFS is not open docummented |
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| 13:21.50 | javispedro | kkito: Tuxera does have access to the docs |
| 13:21.53 | hiemanshu | kkito: what driver do you use? |
| 13:22.03 | javispedro | (AFAIK) |
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| 13:22.24 | hiemanshu | with ntfs-3g, works even from a mac |
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| 13:22.37 | javispedro | moo Doc"Avalance"? |
| 13:22.41 | javispedro | *Avalanche |
| 13:22.46 | kkito | hiemanshu: I use a fat32 partition to swap files between the two OSes |
| 13:22.49 | RST38h | evening, javispedro |
| 13:23.08 | hiemanshu | kkito: wont work for me, I have mixes that are as big as 8Gs :P |
| 13:23.33 | kkito | but rarely I use windows in home.... |
| 13:24.03 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, wtf do you listen to? |
| 13:24.36 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: rock and trance mostly |
| 13:24.46 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: a few trance mixes are as big as 6-8Gs |
| 13:27.30 | fiferboy | Hi djszapi |
| 13:28.01 | djszapi | hello fiferboy |
| 13:30.45 | javispedro | helo RST38h |
| 13:32.54 | RST38h | javispedro: how are things today? |
| 13:33.05 | javispedro | I am entertained by this watch thingie |
| 13:34.49 | alterego | javispedro: you got your meta watch? :) |
| 13:34.58 | javispedro | yep |
| 13:35.17 | fiferboy | Shh, don't let GeneralAntilles hear that |
| 13:36.04 | SpeedEvil | wants a watch based around the samsung memory displays |
| 13:36.04 | javispedro | he has =) |
| 13:36.28 | javispedro | looks around for a cool rotation Qt logo QML demo or something to run ehre |
| 13:36.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/ |
| 13:36.37 | javispedro | *rotating Qt log |
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| 13:40.39 | alterego | SpeedEvil: is that like eInk ?] |
| 13:41.27 | SpeedEvil | Slightly. |
| 13:42.06 | SpeedEvil | The difference is that it's lower power during update, and you can actually buy panels in small quantity |
| 13:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Also it updates faster |
| 13:42.39 | flux | but it's not zero-power during non-update, which eInk apparently is |
| 13:43.14 | MohammadAG | javispedro, make one yourself |
| 13:43.17 | SpeedEvil | 15uW |
| 13:43.21 | leinir | flux: No, but it's so low power that it really doesn't make much difference |
| 13:43.54 | SpeedEvil | (4 years on a 2032 cell) |
| 13:43.54 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: the problem is not the LCD |
| 13:44.05 | SpeedEvil | I know - BT is an issue too. |
| 13:44.19 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: this one's reminds me of decades old calculators that also looked "mirrorish" |
| 13:44.29 | javispedro | and those lasted decades too on a single battery |
| 13:44.43 | SpeedEvil | But not with a high-res display |
| 13:44.47 | javispedro | BT _is_ the issue |
| 13:44.52 | flux | javispedro, they had display on for decades? |
| 13:45.06 | flux | maybe I just haven't seen those |
| 13:45.10 | fiferboy | javispedro: How does the watch look out-of-the-box (interface-wise)? |
| 13:45.36 | javispedro | fiferboy: it prints you the bt mac, btstack version, and generic fw version, so, geeky. |
| 13:45.47 | fiferboy | :D |
| 13:46.05 | fiferboy | Thinking about getting the digital model... |
| 13:46.58 | javispedro | be warned that you get what you get =) |
| 13:47.36 | fiferboy | In a... good way? |
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| 13:47.45 | fiferboy | That was a bit of an ominous warning |
| 13:47.48 | javispedro | depends on what your use case is =) |
| 13:47.52 | Stskeeps | javispedro: what processor is in it? |
| 13:48.11 | javispedro | fiferboy: just saying _that's_ the interface, and that's about it. |
| 13:48.20 | javispedro | fiferboy: so, unless you can code something via phone/BT for it.. |
| 13:48.34 | MohammadAG | Normal person in the street: "What's the time?" |
| 13:48.39 | javispedro | (or you're familiar with the MSP430, which is the uC inside it) |
| 13:48.42 | javispedro | Stskeeps^^ |
| 13:48.44 | MohammadAG | You: "Sorry, my watch just crashed" |
| 13:48.56 | Stskeeps | javispedro: ok, so it's only programmable over bluetooth? |
| 13:49.57 | javispedro | Stskeeps: it's _not_ programmable over BT :) it's programmable via USB, and then, the program you put there talks via BT |
| 13:50.00 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:50.01 | alterego | No, you can code firmware for it. |
| 13:50.22 | alterego | javispedro: I thought it had a default BT talking thing? |
| 13:50.26 | SpeedEvil | What's the BT draw, when connected? |
| 13:50.30 | alterego | javispedro: that allows you to update the display etc? |
| 13:50.45 | javispedro | alterego: yep, it is basically acts as a remote framebuffer |
| 13:50.51 | alterego | Cool |
| 13:50.58 | javispedro | which is where qml kicks in =) |
| 13:51.00 | Stskeeps | javispedro: qt, lighthouse plugin? |
| 13:51.14 | Stskeeps | wayland over bt? ;p |
| 13:51.24 | javispedro | Stskeeps: So far I've reimplemented a QPaintEngine |
| 13:51.36 | javispedro | Stskeeps: and thus you can call render() on a QGV scene |
| 13:51.46 | javispedro | and it appears on the watch |
| 13:51.53 | alterego | Starting to get quite annoyed about this now >:( |
| 13:52.04 | javispedro | sadly, framerate is not high |
| 13:52.26 | javispedro | around 0.4 fps for full updates. but the framerate depends on the number of rows changed |
| 13:52.56 | javispedro | my QPaintEngine (tries to) do damage tracking, and thus, if you only change a few lines for the scene rate goes up |
| 13:53.00 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking of a swipe to comment/like/delete interface for my facebook app |
| 13:53.02 | MohammadAG | thoughts on that? |
| 13:53.20 | javispedro | *from the scene :) |
| 13:53.26 | alterego | That's it, I'm gonna start ripping crap out. |
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| 13:57.07 | javispedro | MohammadAG: some builtin app does it like that? |
| 13:57.52 | javispedro | btw, does anyone know how can I actually throttle a QDeclarative scene? I want to skip frames if the watch can't keep it. |
| 13:58.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, which one? |
| 13:58.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I mean, I am yet to see what "swipe to comment/like/delete" is :) |
| 13:58.54 | MohammadAG | javispedro, swipe the news feed post to reveal a menu |
| 13:59.10 | MohammadAG | the menu would ideally slide in with the direction of the swipe |
| 13:59.40 | javispedro | oh |
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| 14:10.28 | RST38h | javispedro: You can run Qt on the watch? With QML? =) |
| 14:10.50 | javispedro | RST38h: runs on the phone, pushes framebuffer to watch via BT |
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| 14:11.42 | rm_work | LOL you're pushing an entire FB over BT |
| 14:11.44 | rm_work | that's lulzy |
| 14:11.57 | javispedro | it's 96x96, and as said, I'm doing damage tracking. |
| 14:11.58 | rm_work | and amazing that it works well enough to be usable (at least to me) |
| 14:12.03 | rm_work | yeah |
| 14:12.06 | RST38h | javispedroL OMFG the Tentacled One |
| 14:12.20 | RST38h | moo rm_you |
| 14:12.24 | javispedro | rm_work: it's not going to be fast, I'm not expecting anything other than 1 fps |
| 14:12.26 | rm_work | moo RST38h |
| 14:12.35 | rm_work | javispedro: lol yeah i guess it's a WATCH :P |
| 14:12.42 | rm_work | not going to be playing videos on it |
| 14:12.55 | javispedro | but when someone asks for the remote media player widget, you will be able to use ... the same qt quick you use for the harmattan media player widget. |
| 14:12.56 | rm_work | that's still hilarious |
| 14:13.17 | berndhs | what you won't play imax movies on the watch ? |
| 14:13.22 | RST38h | How about exporting a terminal to it? |
| 14:13.27 | rm_work | looool |
| 14:13.34 | RST38h | 12x12 CURSES-based display? |
| 14:13.37 | rm_work | using chording with the buttons to type on a watch terminal? |
| 14:13.39 | RST38h | Very economical |
| 14:13.46 | RST38h | No, it can be output-only |
| 14:13.46 | rm_work | rofl |
| 14:14.01 | RST38h | Enough for simple status displays |
| 14:14.02 | rm_work | i guess that might actually be SOMEWHAT useful |
| 14:14.17 | rm_work | but i'd assume they already have some sort of API for just displaying text updates? |
| 14:14.18 | RST38h | yea, would be really easy to code for |
| 14:14.25 | rm_work | that would be simpler than putting a whole terminal on |
| 14:14.42 | RST38h | about the same |
| 14:14.52 | RST38h | minus the color, the mouse handling, the resize handling, etc |
| 14:15.05 | RST38h | Should still do a passable vt100 to be usable though |
| 14:15.08 | javispedro | rm_work: no, no text rendering |
| 14:15.13 | javispedro | all local |
| 14:15.52 | dm8tbr | javispedro: so you're working on the metawatch? |
| 14:16.09 | javispedro | I guess it should be evident by now =) |
| 14:16.55 | dm8tbr | javispedro: if you're pushing bitmaps over bt, then it might be interesting to make the protocol pluggable. the live view does the same :) |
| 14:17.39 | javispedro | I am trying to do it a bit generic (e.g. it does not assume black&white anywhere), but I don't know much about the liveview protocol |
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| 14:18.06 | dm8tbr | there's some python code available |
| 14:18.07 | javispedro | there's a QImage, you can set the format you want, and there's a method update(QRegion) you have to implement |
| 14:18.11 | dm8tbr | it's fairly simple |
| 14:18.28 | javispedro | (forward the parts of the QImage specific in the QRegion to the watch) |
| 14:18.58 | javispedro | *specified |
| 14:19.55 | dm8tbr | http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fliveview |
| 14:20.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, also an alternative watch |
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| 14:21.07 | dm8tbr | I'd love to see the n9 pushing notifications and also ringing alerts |
| 14:21.35 | dm8tbr | have no idea where that would plug on the harmattan side though |
| 14:22.03 | javispedro | how notifications are done are also quite different seemingly |
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| 14:22.37 | javispedro | the LiveView seemingly forces a structure upon you, for the metawatch notification mode is virtually the same as remote framebuffer mode =) |
| 14:23.25 | MohammadAG | how do I get the M::Orientation of the application? |
| 14:23.57 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: mtf? |
| 14:24.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG: dunno about MTF, but you can also bang contextkit directly: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=contextkit&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9jb250ZXh0a2l0 |
| 14:24.34 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yes |
| 14:24.56 | hiemanshu | no idea then |
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| 14:46.04 | dm8tbr | ah, nice, someone tried the liveview code on the n900 |
| 14:46.09 | dm8tbr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65893&page=2 |
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| 14:47.07 | djszapi | javispedro: are you good on the kernel side ? |
| 14:47.21 | javispedro | djszapi: why? |
| 14:48.03 | djszapi | I am trying to set the round robin scheduler algorithm, but I am always getting Operation permitted, but aegis seems to be okay meaning that no complain and I asked for the proper sys_nice capability. |
| 14:48.45 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/122305/ -> something like this small snippet. |
| 14:49.33 | djszapi | if I run it on my debian or arch host, it works fine. |
| 14:51.52 | javispedro | well, disable aegis and recheck =) |
| 14:52.14 | djszapi | well, I basically did. |
| 14:52.29 | djszapi | and as said, I would know if it was aegis, really ;-) |
| 14:52.48 | djszapi | I think there is some modification in the scheduler but making the comparison with upstream, it is seems the same. |
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| 14:57.05 | djszapi | I have not tried on the public N950 image, though. It would be nice if someone could run it there. |
| 14:57.12 | djszapi | just simply by using the relaxed mode. |
| 14:57.40 | javispedro | with relaxed mode it'll never work, as user won't have sys_nice |
| 14:57.51 | javispedro | but with my signing tool it does not work either |
| 14:58.03 | djszapi | why not |
| 14:58.10 | javispedro | same reason as yours seemingly. |
| 14:58.12 | djszapi | you can assign it by using aegis-exec in develsh |
| 14:58.29 | djszapi | aegis-exec -p 0 -a CAP::sys_nice ./a.out |
| 14:58.34 | javispedro | that tends to cause malf in our fws, remember ;) |
| 14:58.49 | djszapi | interesting, never caused for me. |
| 14:59.00 | djszapi | at any rate, someone could make a skeleton package, that would be great |
| 14:59.11 | djszapi | whether it works with nice packaging. |
| 14:59.34 | djszapi | otherwise I will go to #kernelnewbies :) |
| 14:59.41 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:00.02 | javispedro | djszapi: (re aegis-exec : http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10170 ) |
| 15:00.24 | djszapi | javispedro: yes, but I have not read that it is like with any usage. |
| 15:00.58 | djszapi | also, packaging is good enough for me as well |
| 15:04.18 | javispedro | SCHED_OTHER max works so it's not a CAP_SYS_NICE problem.. |
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| 15:04.35 | djszapi | yes, that is what I said from the beginning ;) |
| 15:06.03 | djszapi | accli returns the credential nicely when I try to attach that. |
| 15:06.11 | djszapi | I even tried to attach the "tcb" god token :) |
| 15:07.36 | djszapi | SCHED_BATCH also works |
| 15:07.58 | djszapi | fifo did not |
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| 15:08.59 | djszapi | IDLE seems to be not available on Harmattan for low-priority, well dunno |
| 15:11.58 | javispedro | this seems to be a cgroups problem |
| 15:12.20 | javispedro | you need to allocate some cpu.rt_runtime_us |
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| 15:12.57 | djszapi | that was my concern, too |
| 15:14.15 | djszapi | I think our kernel has some fixes, like own cgroups, but this is just guess-work, and almost weekend time :) |
| 15:14.23 | djszapi | not much sake to look into this for further details. |
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| 15:18.11 | djszapi | v2.6.32.29 changes were merged back from mainline, and it has some relevant commits, well dunno =) |
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| 15:22.23 | djszapi | javispedro: Mmmm, RLIMIT_RTPRIO (Since Linux 2.6.12, but see BUGS) |
| 15:22.23 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.40 | javispedro | but SYS_CAP_NICE overrides that |
| 15:22.43 | djszapi | (from man 2 getrlimit) |
| 15:22.45 | javispedro | I'm quite sure it's a cgroups thing |
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| 15:23.18 | javispedro | afaik harm puts "unknown" tasks in some lowpriority cgroup |
| 15:23.29 | javispedro | and, looking at kernel source, sched.c line 6580 |
| 15:23.35 | javispedro | kernel/sched.c |
| 15:23.45 | javispedro | cgroups one is the only check that is done even if the user is root |
| 15:24.00 | javispedro | (well, there's other check that is done: aegis) |
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| 15:25.20 | djszapi | root is not that root, that is not good enough arguement, but yeah... |
| 15:25.43 | MohammadAG | djszapi, any idea if there's a way to slide in a menu on an MWidget? |
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| 15:44.47 | gri | Can someone with knowledge of (Qt)DBus take a look at this? I think I am too stupid for this... http://pastebin.com/niksasE2 |
| 15:45.55 | djszapi | gri: you can poke thiago on #qt as well :) |
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| 15:47.06 | gri | djszapi: I thought it's so simple that everyone can solve it :) |
| 15:49.53 | gri | OMG |
| 15:49.58 | gri | I hate my eyes |
| 15:50.18 | gri | if I could read, I would have noticed "uint" not "int" for the first parameter |
| 15:50.22 | djszapi | ged rid of them ;) |
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| 15:51.20 | gri | now I have strange moving windows, cool |
| 15:51.22 | djszapi | Could someone tell me please whether or not there is an "aegis-session" command on the public image ? |
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| 15:52.09 | hiemanshu | djszapi: there is one |
| 15:52.17 | djszapi | thanks. |
| 15:57.52 | MohammadAG | wonders how to add haptic feedback to an MButton |
| 16:01.20 | alterego | MNotification("please shake device") |
| 16:02.22 | hiemanshu | MNotification("Please taze your fingers"); |
| 16:02.28 | hiemanshu | alterego: you missed a ; |
| 16:02.42 | alterego | Erm ... I thought he wasd using Python? |
| 16:02.54 | alterego | Yes .. That is my excuse :) |
| 16:03.02 | hiemanshu | alterego: then you forgot the spaces :D |
| 16:03.51 | berndhs | maybe its just the wrong font for python, i recommend monospace :) |
| 16:04.13 | hiemanshu | berndhs: spaces before the actual code :P |
| 16:04.20 | alterego | Heh |
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| 16:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, it's clearly a company-wide conspiracy from TI. |
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| 16:37.08 | javispedro | clearly |
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| 18:43.44 | javispedro | heh |
| 18:43.56 | javispedro | seems that harmattan qt has some "optimizations" set by default even if the app doesn't request them |
| 18:44.00 | javispedro | like not drawing the background |
| 18:44.07 | javispedro | in qgv scenes |
| 18:44.43 | javispedro | (or at least, when drawing the scene with the rotating qt logo, desktop calls fillRect then drawImage, but Harm calls drawImage only) |
| 18:44.52 | RST38h | there is a flag for that |
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| 18:45.08 | RST38h | you cn set or reset it on any qwidget |
| 18:45.30 | javispedro | not that I want to, but it is fun, as the net result is that I was getting dark scenes on Harm =) |
| 18:45.32 | alterego | Yeah, there's optimizations for base windows to not draw backgrounds |
| 18:45.43 | alterego | Speeds up time as applications are expected to draw their own backgrounds |
| 18:46.02 | alterego | Especially when using QGV :P |
| 18:46.04 | RST38h | or you can request native drawing |
| 18:46.13 | alterego | Which is a bad idea :) |
| 18:46.15 | javispedro | I understand -- and it is expected that most of Harm will be QML, so that lazy bastards who don't read docs like me get the performance even if they don't enable it |
| 18:46.24 | RST38h | alterego: depends |
| 18:46.37 | RST38h | alterego: works way better forme as I need to draw stuff right away |
| 18:46.58 | javispedro | hm, wait. |
| 18:46.58 | RST38h | do not want any extra buffering |
| 18:47.12 | javispedro | a QWidget flag? but I'm not using QWidget, only QGScene, not QGV. |
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| 18:48.45 | javispedro | no, this is something inside qgv itself |
| 18:48.52 | SpeedEvil | Wacky - youtube just started working on my n950. |
| 18:49.05 | SpeedEvil | I guess they did some html5y thing. |
| 18:49.12 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: worked since day 1 here |
| 18:49.16 | crevetor | Same here |
| 18:49.27 | SpeedEvil | I guess I must have hit a dead link first time around |
| 18:51.59 | alterego | Hrm, |
| 19:09.58 | faenil | :) |
| 19:10.53 | faenil | gtg cya guys :) |
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| 19:36.41 | alterego | Just found something cool whilst playing around with some stuff. QDesktopServices::setUrlHandler(scheme, QObject *receiver, const char *method); |
| 19:39.00 | javispedro | woah, the n950 makes astonishing videos |
| 19:39.15 | javispedro | the photos might be bad, but comparing the videos to the n900... |
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| 19:42.14 | djszapi | and the camera is even better on the N9. |
| 19:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, ever shot with an HDSLR? |
| 19:45.21 | javispedro | nope |
| 19:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | You should try that some day. :P |
| 19:45.35 | javispedro | I guess =) |
| 19:45.52 | javispedro | last proper camcorder I've ever used still used miniVHS tapes =) |
| 19:45.59 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | Well, as a really crappy example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSFdqVF6xE |
| 19:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | The kind of video accessible for normal people compares pretty favorably with 35mm movie setups. |
| 19:47.53 | javispedro | woah |
| 19:53.15 | alterego | The N950 is no competition to the N8 .. |
| 19:53.28 | alterego | Which is what I generally carry around for quick snaps at functions |
| 19:55.51 | javispedro | well, consider that my previous device for videos was the N900. |
| 19:55.59 | javispedro | which I still think makes better photos than the N950. |
| 19:56.06 | javispedro | but video -- a different story. |
| 19:56.32 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:56.44 | javispedro | I believe the N950 has a software problem with photos |
| 19:56.56 | javispedro | they just seem.... unfocused. |
| 19:56.59 | alterego | I think it has a software problem with a few things ;) |
| 19:57.13 | javispedro | even when they appear OK on the preview |
| 19:58.50 | rm_work | wow, that's crazy good video |
| 19:59.01 | rm_work | but yeah i too thought the n900 was pretty good video compared to anything else i used |
| 19:59.02 | rm_work | :P |
| 19:59.10 | rm_work | i guess we just have crap video cameras |
| 19:59.19 | rm_work | have not tried video yet with n950 |
| 20:05.37 | alterego | I think the quality I've got out of it for my barcode reading stuff in QML was very good mind :) |
| 20:06.08 | alterego | And constant focus does make longer dynamic videos a bit better ;) |
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| 20:23.47 | alterego | ffs, that's it |
| 20:23.56 | alterego | implements a screen keep alive script. |
| 20:24.08 | alterego | Sick of it turning off when I'm in the middle of developing stuff. |
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| 20:49.53 | SpeedEvil | alterego: While you're at it, something that echos 2 to ./devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness is occasionally handy for testing minimal power cases. And also reading books in bed |
| 20:50.22 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:50.50 | alterego | How about a little app where you can tell it the brightness and just have it stay on until you quit the app? :) |
| 21:13.49 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:14.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm impressed in the 45mA battery usage - if real, when reading ebooks |
| 21:14.26 | SpeedEvil | ~24h |
| 21:15.03 | bedahr | is it possible that there is no equivalent to MComboBox in QML? |
| 21:15.21 | djszapi | yes |
| 21:15.25 | bedahr | oO |
| 21:15.50 | bedahr | is there something that usually replaces it? |
| 21:16.07 | bedahr | in other words: are we not supposed to have comboboxes (hig) or is it just not (yet) implemented? |
| 21:16.58 | alterego | There is. |
| 21:17.04 | djszapi | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/55b123e52c9975e089c1d936e0b05467779dd00e/ComboBox.qmlhttp://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/55b123e52c9975e089c1d936e0b05467779dd00e/ComboBox.qml |
| 21:17.10 | djszapi | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/55b123e52c9975e089c1d936e0b05467779dd00e/ComboBox.qml |
| 21:17.30 | bedahr | djszapi: awesome, thanks :D |
| 21:17.30 | alterego | Think it's a MultiSelectionDialog |
| 21:17.55 | djszapi | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/c5f064821b55f6df127b5b8ec4ba54f8cc6d199e/examples/test/combobox.qml -> there is even an example |
| 21:18.13 | alterego | It's not in harmattan version though I didn't think |
| 21:18.18 | alterego | At least it's not in the QPI .. |
| 21:18.20 | alterego | ~API .. |
| 21:18.21 | infobot | !api .. |
| 21:19.27 | djszapi | that is what I said, yes. |
| 21:20.40 | bedahr | ok, thanks again, I'll have a look at those... |
| 21:21.02 | alterego | How would I know if a QWidget has been backgrounded? |
| 21:21.22 | alterego | Noty hidden, but shown in the task switched. |
| 21:21.24 | alterego | ~switcher .. |
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| 21:22.33 | bedahr | alterego: platformWindow |
| 21:22.59 | alterego | Not in QML :P |
| 21:23.08 | bedahr | alterego: yes, in QML |
| 21:23.12 | alterego | Erm, no |
| 21:23.16 | alterego | I'm not using QML .. |
| 21:23.34 | bedahr | ah, okay :) |
| 21:23.34 | alterego | That is why I said QWidget .. |
| 21:23.40 | bedahr | right |
| 21:23.53 | deimos | I think hasFocus() |
| 21:24.21 | alterego | Kinda want an event driven interface :P |
| 21:24.43 | alterego | Maybe focusOutEvent I guess .. |
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| 21:25.32 | alterego | Lets see if I see anything interesting with a general event listener. |
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| 21:26.18 | djszapi | what do you mean by "backgrounded" ? |
| 21:26.22 | alterego | neat .. |
| 21:26.25 | alterego | Got a load of cool events. |
| 21:27.36 | alterego | djszapi: I did explain .. |
| 21:29.03 | djszapi | well, that is fairly simple if I understand correctly. |
| 21:29.11 | djszapi | since you set the focus, just emit a signal and ready ? |
| 21:29.31 | alterego | He mentioned focus, |
| 21:30.12 | djszapi | oh yes, hasFocus(), deimos might be right |
| 21:30.32 | djszapi | you can poll that anytime, but if you need it immediately signal is also solvable easily as I said. |
| 21:30.34 | Mek_ | an MApplicationWindow has a switcherEntered() signal... |
| 21:33.30 | MohammadAG | alterego, which events were they? |
| 21:33.41 | MohammadAG | and why am I thinking this is for columbus? :P |
| 21:34.45 | alterego | I think I've done this for Columbus already. |
| 21:34.56 | alterego | Actually, I know I have and yeah I'm pretty sure I used focus. |
| 21:35.00 | alterego | Was just wondering :) |
| 21:35.20 | MohammadAG | oh, there's columbus for the N950? |
| 21:35.42 | alterego | Not yet :) |
| 21:40.21 | alterego | Neat, that works perfectly. |
| 21:40.47 | alterego | Now, I wonder if I can detect what level zoom the task switcher is in. |
| 21:41.52 | alterego | My prestart is pretty good too. |
| 21:42.24 | alterego | less than 2 second start up time :) |
| 21:42.24 | MohammadAG | lemme guess, you want to show some larger font widget to show notifications/similar things on the task switcher |
| 21:42.28 | alterego | With active video :) |
| 21:42.48 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, that kind of thing |
| 21:42.49 | MohammadAG | bad design for a porn app :P |
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| 21:59.26 | javispedro | figures QtCreator is actually trying to deploy my Qt desktop app to my N950 |
| 22:00.32 | javispedro | on the other side, it's not that bad of an idea, maybe I can tell it to deploy to ssh root@localhost and it'll work. |
| 22:02.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:02.42 | MohammadAG | it probably won't |
| 22:02.54 | MohammadAG | it uses some UTFS server or something |
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| 22:27.16 | alterego | wonders how extensible the Video element is |
| 22:27.35 | alterego | Is there a way to inject YUV frames into it me wonders. |
| 22:38.53 | alterego | Hrm, maybe I'll have to implement my own media service provider -_- |
| 22:39.32 | alterego | Oh, actually .. |
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| 23:07.46 | alterego | Note to self, don't use Qt Creator to update debian rules files. |
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| 23:20.08 | nibbler | just tried to do an apt-get update on his N950 - the packages on https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com are signed with ADB4438160A655EF however some swift googling didn't help in finding the key but it seems that i'm not the only one with this problem. any ideas about the wherabouts of said pubkey? it's not on the keyservers either :( |
| 23:28.13 | npm | will an application for the n950/n9 sent to ovi store get validated if it uses it's own QML widgets and look instead of the official harmattan components? (but is an otherwise well behaved meego application that honors resource policy framework?) |