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| 00:05.40 | rm_you | RST38h: not sure how to make it work with the script as of currently |
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| 01:16.35 | GeneralAntilles | You know what's scary? |
| 01:16.50 | GeneralAntilles | Harmattan's got me using the portrait keyboard for most things. |
| 01:17.08 | berndhs | yeah that's pretty bad |
| 01:20.27 | special | GeneralAntilles: I've been doing that pretty often as well, unless there's something long to type |
| 01:22.56 | ieatlint | is that an insult to the hw keyboard, a compliment to the on-screen keyboard, or both? |
| 01:23.22 | berndhs | i think it means the virtual keyboard obscures less of the screen in portrait mode |
| 01:24.32 | special | I like the hw keyboard, but harmattan is mostly using portrait and it's often easier to just use the portrait vkb than to open the hardware one. |
| 01:24.46 | ieatlint | yeah... true enough |
| 01:25.13 | ieatlint | the vkb is nothing special, but it's not too terrible... certainly a lot better than symbian's portrait vkb |
| 01:25.59 | berndhs | and if the application doesn't turn to landscape, using the hw keyboard loses a bit |
| 01:26.21 | special | some of the transitions to landscape are broken/buggy in the public build too |
| 01:26.33 | special | I try to treat the chat as gently as possible :| |
| 01:27.42 | ieatlint | chat? i wasn't aware of any chat in the public build... unless it's nokia chat, heh |
| 01:27.57 | special | "messages" |
| 01:28.14 | special | facebook chat works in the public build. |
| 01:28.45 | ieatlint | ah, i've not touched any of the facebook stuffs... |
| 01:30.56 | ieatlint | certainly seems more and more like we won't be seeing any updates for the n950 until the n9 launched |
| 01:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know where the lockscreen background is hiding? |
| 01:35.01 | berndhs | i'm not convinced the gesture programming in Qt is very good |
| 01:36.25 | berndhs | its hard to see what the gesture framework will do, under which conditions |
| 01:36.43 | berndhs | how it will propagate gestures or not propagate them |
| 01:38.03 | ieatlint | the qt gestures support was never well done i think |
| 01:38.14 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, compliment. |
| 01:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | The newer firmwares are supposed to be much nicer, too. |
| 01:38.45 | ieatlint | cool |
| 01:39.43 | berndhs | i'm tempted to just grab events from a MouseArea and generate invoke some metaobject functions |
| 01:39.58 | berndhs | bypass all the QGesture machinery |
| 01:40.04 | ieatlint | berndhs: you can implement your own gestures which doesn't work too badly |
| 01:40.16 | berndhs | yes i'm trying to do that |
| 01:40.19 | ieatlint | there's an example for maemo5 on how to do single finger swiping |
| 01:40.33 | berndhs | i recognize a simple gesture, thats nt the problem |
| 01:40.33 | ieatlint | which works quite well, i've had to use that as an example code for symbian even |
| 01:40.46 | berndhs | it just doesnt get propagated in any way I can follow |
| 01:40.52 | GeneralAntilles | (TI Nspire CX CAS on its way) |
| 01:41.05 | GeneralAntilles | I'm paying a lot of money to TI today. |
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| 01:59.25 | ieatlint | anyone know the recommended way for having a daemon auto-start in harmattan? |
| 02:00.45 | GeneralAntilles | Have it beat Aegis to death with a frozen trout? |
| 02:01.05 | djszapi | ieatlint: upstart ? |
| 02:01.38 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: after my android phone arrived. I tested it a lot. From what I can say, their security is even more restrict... |
| 02:02.29 | djszapi | ieatlint: /etc/init/app/ |
| 02:07.08 | ieatlint | yeah, see it, was able to get some good info with google on the upstart keyword too |
| 02:07.11 | ieatlint | thanks :) |
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| 07:07.23 | Khertan | Morning |
| 07:08.34 | Khertan | There is something i didn t understand about the cobs : why one of my package didn t have harmattan repository as target. |
| 07:08.50 | Khertan | as it s listed in repository |
| 07:09.04 | Khertan | of the package but not in the overview page |
| 07:09.32 | mece | \o |
| 07:09.45 | Khertan | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=PyPackager&project=home%3Akhertan |
| 07:10.05 | Khertan | it s maybe my errors |
| 07:10.13 | Khertan | but i didn't found it |
| 07:11.40 | djszapi | Khertan: it is not there: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Akhertan&repo_Harmattan=1&succeeded=1 |
| 07:11.45 | djszapi | so it is all fine |
| 07:12.20 | mece | Khertan, does khteditor need libraries from your repo, or can I install the deb directly? |
| 07:12.44 | djszapi | mece: check the dsc file. |
| 07:15.14 | mece | doh, obs fails to serve the file over web for some reason |
| 07:16.00 | mece | ah nevermind |
| 07:16.34 | djszapi | works for me |
| 07:17.53 | mece | so who was it that had the multi instance xterm in the repo? |
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| 07:19.59 | Khertan_W | :) |
| 07:20.00 | Khertan_W | re |
| 07:20.15 | Khertan_W | irc-chatter seems having problem when network switch |
| 07:20.31 | Khertan_W | so hum ... yes khteditor have only python/pyside dependancies normally |
| 07:20.43 | Khertan_W | so you can install deb directly normally |
| 07:20.49 | Khertan_W | but it s old release |
| 07:20.55 | Khertan_W | i ll package a newer one soon |
| 07:20.56 | mece | Khertan_W, noticed, and I did. |
| 07:21.10 | Khertan_W | even if it s far from finished |
| 07:21.11 | mece | Khertan_W, that's fine. I'm just glad to have something :) |
| 07:21.18 | Khertan_W | preferences still missing and search |
| 07:21.27 | mece | Khertan_W, it looks really pretty btw :) very nice! |
| 07:21.36 | Khertan_W | thx |
| 07:21.45 | Khertan_W | to be honest qml bother me |
| 07:21.52 | Khertan_W | s/bother/borring |
| 07:22.06 | Khertan_W | so doing preferences ui is kinda slow |
| 07:22.40 | mece | I like qml. Mostly because my python and c++ fu is so weak |
| 07:23.23 | Khertan_W | i like python ... but i prefer doing ui in qwidget than qml |
| 07:23.51 | mece | Khertan_W, hey, could you perhaps link to your repo from wii.meego.com/user:khertan ? |
| 07:23.58 | Khertan_W | the modify launch, try retry bother me |
| 07:24.01 | mece | Khertan_W, that way people would find your stuff easier. |
| 07:24.04 | Khertan_W | wii ? |
| 07:24.17 | Khertan_W | it s not anymore the rzr repo ? |
| 07:24.27 | mece | what's the rzr repo? |
| 07:24.33 | djszapi | the sahred community |
| 07:24.38 | mece | right |
| 07:24.57 | mece | right. |
| 07:25.03 | mece | perhaps I should add that :) |
| 07:25.42 | mece | this one: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ? |
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| 07:26.06 | djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Development_Repositories |
| 07:26.26 | Khertan_W | thx for posting link |
| 07:26.43 | Khertan_W | you was faster than me and my slow office network |
| 07:27.28 | Khertan_W | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan |
| 07:28.46 | djszapi | I do not know what "unofficial" means. |
| 07:29.14 | djszapi | it is just as official as other community repository. |
| 07:31.41 | mece | aaaargh ffs |
| 07:32.01 | mece | i wrote the whole damn line to add the repo to sources.list and I forgot to devel-su first! |
| 07:32.49 | dm8tbr | I hear there is c&p support for harmattan terminal coming :) |
| 07:33.00 | mece | omg how I need that. |
| 07:33.19 | dm8tbr | workaround prepend echo postpend >/foo |
| 07:33.26 | dm8tbr | s/postpend/append/ |
| 07:33.44 | mece | hmm I'll just write it again. It wasn't THAT long |
| 07:33.45 | RST38h | moos |
| 07:33.56 | dm8tbr | :) |
| 07:34.33 | mece | does anyone have a build of the latest terminal? Maliit is it? |
| 07:34.36 | dm8tbr | that's what I did with my xmpp setup commands, just echo >>xmpp.sh and then scp it away. need to reflash soon |
| 07:34.46 | dm8tbr | maliit is the vkbd IIRC |
| 07:34.50 | mece | oh. |
| 07:34.52 | mece | heh |
| 07:35.01 | mece | *bonk self* |
| 07:35.02 | mece | anyway |
| 07:35.06 | dm8tbr | mece: ask kimju, he should know or have his own build |
| 07:35.06 | mece | xterm |
| 07:35.14 | mece | kimju, ping |
| 07:35.29 | mece | perhaps I could roll my own... |
| 07:35.36 | mece | it's in the git, right |
| 07:35.43 | mece | on gitorious |
| 07:36.01 | dm8tbr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Akimju%3Aharmattan |
| 07:36.27 | dm8tbr | but double check if there is newer source from upstream available |
| 07:38.24 | mece | rzr has it! |
| 07:38.28 | mece | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=mg-terminal&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 07:38.38 | mece | 0.1.8.1 seems to be the latest here. |
| 07:38.48 | RST38h | could not install it for some reason |
| 07:43.28 | mece | damne |
| 07:43.30 | mece | oo |
| 07:43.34 | mece | git-core \o/ |
| 07:47.09 | mece | hmm libssl breaks on postinst. where are the postinsts stored again? |
| 07:47.56 | djszapi | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ iirc |
| 07:48.49 | djszapi | (something like that, it is just by heart without sb, or gadget :) |
| 07:49.01 | mece | djszapi, it was correct :) |
| 07:49.24 | mece | ah, script need bash. Do we have bash? |
| 07:49.33 | djszapi | of course |
| 07:49.51 | djszapi | what do you mean by "breaks" ? |
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| 07:50.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:50.37 | mece | well I don't have bash installed, and the postinst script for libssl1.0.0 has bashisms. So installation breaks. |
| 07:51.30 | mece | hmm no bash in repo, just bash-completion |
| 07:51.50 | djszapi | where is this libssl ? |
| 07:52.00 | djszapi | I do not see it in the public Nokia repo, not even in the shared community. |
| 07:52.20 | kimju | hmm? |
| 07:52.33 | djszapi | mece: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/b/bash/ |
| 07:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: (android more strict) fine, thanks for confirming another point why I hate Android and am convinced it's completely useless |
| 07:53.01 | djszapi | oh well |
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| 07:53.47 | mece | djszapi, it's in rzr, libssl1.0.0 |
| 07:54.10 | mece | djszapi, shouldn't that repo be enabled by default? |
| 07:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | see, IF I liked android concept I for sure had gotten me an Android phone rather than a N900 |
| 07:54.36 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1&succeeded=1 -> ok I was looking libssl here, sorry, not the distributed packages. |
| 07:54.48 | djszapi | mece: nope, it is community repository. |
| 07:54.57 | mece | djszapi, oo.. |
| 07:56.28 | djszapi | DocScrutinizer: no, sorry you misunderstood my intention. I was not trying to confirm your "hate". I was just saying we ship a more open approach. I still like Android as well. |
| 07:56.47 | mece | djszapi, is this what I should add: "deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free" |
| 07:56.57 | djszapi | mece: yes, as the wikipage says. |
| 07:57.43 | mece | okydo. |
| 07:57.47 | mece | I'll just add them all.. |
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| 07:57.59 | djszapi | please please /please/ do not! |
| 07:58.25 | RST38h | why not? |
| 07:58.26 | djszapi | community repository + harmattan should be okay, otherwise you might end up a screwed up repository list with duplicated choices. |
| 07:58.42 | djszapi | if you need anything special just grab it manually and make a request to push it to the shared. |
| 07:59.03 | RST38h | ah, the extras-or-die crap again |
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| 07:59.24 | RST38h | even although there is absolutely no infrastructure for the harmattan extras at the moment |
| 07:59.29 | RST38h | moos at wazd evilly |
| 08:00.23 | djszapi | mece: or at least make sure the order is parsed as you expect. |
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| 08:04.21 | mece | ok so the official and the rzr |
| 08:05.17 | djszapi | yep, and you find something elsewhere working: do not hesitate to help out the community with porting it to the shared. |
| 08:05.21 | djszapi | if* |
| 08:06.55 | mece | I haven't managed to get my own stuff built in obs yet, so I'm a while from actually being helpful |
| 08:07.11 | mece | builds fine in scratchbox or qtsdk tho.. |
| 08:09.53 | frals | mece: got a link to qlister.deb? |
| 08:10.02 | frals | mece: seems ive misplaced it and have reflashed my devices ;( |
| 08:11.18 | mece | frals, wiki.meego.com/user:mece/Qlister2 |
| 08:11.24 | mece | frals, or dev is http://hedwerks.net/harmattan/qlister2_0_1-2_armel.deb |
| 08:12.14 | mece | did khertan leave? |
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| 08:16.22 | mece | frals, I mean deb.. |
| 08:18.54 | mece | FINALLY!!!!! multi instance terminal :D:D:D:D \o/ |
| 08:20.16 | Jaffa | Oooh |
| 08:20.20 | Jaffa | mece: where? |
| 08:20.35 | mece | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/mg-terminal_0.1.8.1%2bgit-mg4_armel.deb |
| 08:22.38 | mece | I think I'll edit the community obs wiki a bit, to recommend onyl adding rzr and official. |
| 08:22.43 | mece | everyone ok with that? |
| 08:23.30 | djszapi | well, you cannot add to the official, and we should no force people, just recommend. That is also documented on the shared page and wiki, already. |
| 08:24.41 | mece | I mean on the page listing development repos, |
| 08:25.46 | djszapi | you can be more explicit, if you wanna to, yes. |
| 08:27.37 | mece | djszapi, well it's like this now: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos |
| 08:28.44 | djszapi | in my opinion, the shared repository description link should just be added instead of duplicating that. |
| 08:29.17 | djszapi | but not on that link, but here: http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Development_Repositories |
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| 08:42.28 | Venemo_N950 | good morning |
| 08:43.36 | djszapi | hi Venemo :) |
| 08:44.11 | wazd | hello all |
| 08:45.10 | Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi, how're you? |
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| 09:07.13 | Venemo_N950 | wants new software for his N950 |
| 09:08.50 | flux | venemo_n950, maybe if you want it enough, it happens! |
| 09:09.43 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: does this sentence run from a cron job ? :p |
| 09:10.09 | mece | hahaha |
| 09:12.11 | mece | oh cock! |
| 09:12.19 | mece | git fails |
| 09:12.21 | mece | hmpf |
| 09:13.12 | mece | I guess I cheered too soon. |
| 09:13.24 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, NOT A BAD IDEA!!! |
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| 10:10.19 | rantom | How do I restart vkb? |
| 10:10.23 | rantom | It just went off |
| 10:12.27 | rantom | (virtual keyboard) |
| 10:15.46 | djszapi | What do you mean by "went off" ? |
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| 10:49.54 | rZZZr | mece: back |
| 10:50.07 | rZZZr | rzr repo is my playground |
| 10:50.12 | rZZZr | rzr:harmattan is the shared repo |
| 10:53.26 | djszapi | that is what we discussed :) |
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| 11:01.03 | lcuk | is it pyside or pyqt that is available for ovi |
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| 11:14.46 | lcuk | achipa, which python/qt bindings should be used and is ovi compatible with python now? |
| 11:15.51 | achipa | in harmattan context, that would be pyside (not aware of any PyQt port), not sure about Ovi status ATM |
| 11:17.11 | lcuk | achipa, what other contexts are there? |
| 11:17.33 | achipa | desktop, maemo, etc |
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| 12:17.12 | rantom | Is it a known issue that if someone leaves a voicemail to you won't get a SMS of it? |
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| 13:10.15 | achipa | rantom: that would be a provider feature, the device or firmware has nothing to with it |
| 13:10.41 | rantom | Why does it work with N900 then? |
| 13:10.43 | rantom | Same SIM |
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| 13:13.54 | achipa | rantom: that's then a general SMS issue, there should be no difference in the SMS sent due to voicemail or from any other device/service |
| 13:14.31 | achipa | rantom: I know I had an issue when some SMS-es got stuck (had to reboot and then the messages would come in the next retry loop) |
| 13:14.59 | rantom | ok |
| 13:15.28 | rantom | I'll try it again with new FW, since I got horrible reception now with the old |
| 13:15.37 | rantom | ...according to the callers |
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| 13:51.22 | Venemo | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/01/qt-sdk-update-introducing-qt-creator-2-3-and-other-updates/ |
| 13:51.28 | Venemo | MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan beta: This version of the Harmattan target is built on the same software image that was used in the version released in June so does not introduce new features, but is required to be updated in order to continue developing MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan apps. |
| 13:51.31 | Venemo | fuck them. |
| 13:51.33 | Venemo | srsly! |
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| 14:22.37 | vladest | hi |
| 14:34.42 | javispedro | rm_work: which credentials? |
| 14:34.51 | rm_work | err |
| 14:34.54 | rm_work | 0::1 |
| 14:34.59 | rm_work | 0::6 |
| 14:35.00 | rm_work | 0::7 |
| 14:35.02 | rm_work | etc? |
| 14:35.20 | rm_work | i've never looked at aegis creds before |
| 14:35.26 | rm_work | is that what they're supposed to look like? |
| 14:35.43 | javispedro | yes, can you pastebin the full list? |
| 14:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | quite possibly |
| 14:35.48 | rm_work | hrm |
| 14:35.51 | rm_work | yeah |
| 14:35.53 | rm_work | sec |
| 14:36.08 | javispedro | frigging chr google |
| 14:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | full syslog segment |
| 14:36.14 | javispedro | twice today, this is stupid |
| 14:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | HAHA |
| 14:36.23 | javispedro | á£á²áá - linux SYS_CAP_SETUID - á á±áááµá© áá¦á¥ áá¦á¾á¥á¢ |
| 14:36.32 | javispedro | potentially unicode crap to you |
| 14:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | learn cherokee instead of bitching ;-P |
| 14:37.07 | radiofree | XChat IRC wants to install a font "Cherokee" |
| 14:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | (unicode crap) actually not, renders fine here |
| 14:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | dang a cool font |
| 14:38.32 | Venemo | Stskeeps, do you plan on making a release of 'Mer' for ARMv6? |
| 14:38.40 | Stskeeps | Venemo: yes |
| 14:38.49 | Stskeeps | Venemo: in fact i just bootstrapped the port for it |
| 14:38.54 | Venemo | Stskeeps :) |
| 14:39.17 | Venemo | Stskeeps, I want to buy a Raspberry Pi for myself and I want to run MeeGo on it :) |
| 14:39.36 | Stskeeps | Venemo: guess why i'm making it.. |
| 14:39.48 | Venemo | Stskeeps, I was guessing you're making it for your N8x0 |
| 14:39.58 | Stskeeps | that's also a good reason but not only :P |
| 14:40.08 | Venemo | :) |
| 14:40.58 | Venemo | hm, I thought I was on #meego ... eh. |
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| 14:50.24 | rm_work | Stskeeps: thought Mer was dead O_o |
| 14:50.41 | Stskeeps | rm_work: many us of went into meego and well, meego isn't living up to the promise atm |
| 14:50.42 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer / javispedro: sorry, got sidetracked by actual work for a sec |
| 14:51.40 | djszapi | yep, it seems everything works just fine with open mode. |
| 14:53.19 | djszapi | and I could just load my custom kernel module fine. |
| 14:55.11 | harbaum | Stskeeps: is mer-reloaded softfp? |
| 14:55.41 | Stskeeps | harbaum: it doesn't care about binary compatibility really so it has armv7 softfp/hardfp, armv6 softfp, non-atom in due time.. |
| 14:55.45 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer / javispedro: http://pastebin.com/nzPNDgFi |
| 14:56.08 | rm_work | had to type it all out by hand |
| 14:56.14 | javispedro | uuuuuuuh |
| 14:56.15 | Stskeeps | harbaum: 400 source packages derived from meego, no UX'es or hw adaptations within it, they're built on top seperately |
| 14:56.35 | javispedro | rm_work: no need, it was just curiosity! :) |
| 14:56.40 | rm_work | lol |
| 14:56.43 | javispedro | rm_work: either way it seems that you are running it as root |
| 14:56.47 | javispedro | rm_work: try user@ |
| 14:57.11 | harbaum | Stskeeps: sounds like a useful concept. is gles mandatory? |
| 14:57.13 | Stskeeps | harbaum: just a very good html5/qml/js/pyside stack, though you can do binary qt apps if you want |
| 14:57.19 | Stskeeps | harbaum: planning on llvmpipe support |
| 14:57.28 | Stskeeps | and DGLES on top of stuff like nvidia |
| 14:57.49 | Stskeeps | (dgles is gles on top of GL) |
| 14:57.59 | harbaum | so i'll keep my beagle setup in working order ... just in case :-) |
| 14:58.17 | javispedro | Stskeeps: oh, does dgles do 2.0 these days? O.o |
| 14:58.23 | Stskeeps | javispedro: i thought so |
| 14:58.39 | javispedro | not last time I tried.. |
| 14:58.39 | Stskeeps | javispedro: well, at least the nokia qemu one |
| 14:58.39 | harbaum | gles on top of gl??? What's that good for (besides development)? |
| 14:58.48 | Stskeeps | harbaum: some GL stacks don't export ES |
| 14:59.12 | javispedro | Stskeeps: that's quite interesting |
| 14:59.20 | javispedro | I should look at and see if it can be separated from qemu.. |
| 14:59.35 | Stskeeps | javispedro: https://meego.gitorious.org/qemu-maemo/gles-libs/trees/master/dgles2 |
| 14:59.57 | Stskeeps | harbaum: .. such as nvidia chipsets, which there are a few of, due to nvidia ion |
| 14:59.58 | rm_work | javispedro: ah, i guess it does not give cred failures if i run as user?! |
| 15:00.05 | rm_work | interesting |
| 15:00.11 | javispedro | rm_work: it won't give a few of those at least :) |
| 15:00.23 | djszapi | rm_work: why not mplayer2 ? |
| 15:00.25 | rm_work | i was doing most of my testing as root since i was also running other commands for statistics inbetween |
| 15:00.28 | rm_work | djszapi: it is mplayers |
| 15:00.31 | rm_work | err |
| 15:00.33 | rm_work | djszapi: it is mplayer2 |
| 15:00.43 | djszapi | [297499.239227] Aegis: mplayer verification failed (source origin check) |
| 15:00.45 | rm_work | djszapi: still same executable name |
| 15:00.49 | djszapi | ohhh |
| 15:01.43 | rm_work | http://ageofikon.com/prh/index.php?Action=list&System=.%2F&Arg=mplayer&Section=&Repo=0 |
| 15:01.53 | rm_work | i packaged mplayer2 2.0 |
| 15:02.01 | djszapi | good |
| 15:02.36 | rm_work | javispedro: doesn't appear to be giving any at all |
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| 15:02.46 | rm_work | also, it looks like maybe it DOES have hwaccel already!? |
| 15:02.48 | javispedro | so it works then? |
| 15:02.59 | rm_work | wtf |
| 15:03.04 | javispedro | rm_work: that would be news to me, I doub it |
| 15:03.08 | rm_work | these are not the results i was getting last week, i swear |
| 15:03.10 | rm_work | but |
| 15:03.13 | javispedro | I guess the 1Ghz is already enough for some interesting video |
| 15:03.20 | rm_work | it couldn't possibly be decoding this x264 that fast without it |
| 15:04.11 | rm_work | how can i open a second terminal window |
| 15:05.00 | djszapi | use screen =p |
| 15:05.54 | rm_work | yeah |
| 15:06.07 | rm_work | but i wanted to be able to taskswitch between them easily :( |
| 15:06.18 | rm_work | wtf why is my n950 swapping |
| 15:07.41 | rm_work | ok attempting to gather stats |
| 15:08.01 | rm_work | this is much harder when i can't WATCH atop, have to run it in screen in the background and switch back super fast after killing the video |
| 15:08.36 | javispedro | ssh |
| 15:08.37 | M4rtinK | what about a remote SSH login ? |
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| 15:11.54 | rm_work | normally i would do that |
| 15:11.59 | rm_work | but no network here at work |
| 15:12.28 | rm_work | very suboptimal testing conditions |
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| 15:12.44 | rm_work | so yeah, ok, it is... not? using hwaccel. i think. |
| 15:12.52 | rm_work | fairly certain possibly |
| 15:12.54 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:13.00 | javispedro | it can't |
| 15:13.10 | rm_work | i cought atop at exactly the wrong time |
| 15:13.12 | rm_work | :( |
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| 17:53.24 | Stskeeps | man, this place is idle for once |
| 17:55.09 | berndhs | Stskeeps: that's because i haven't started complaining about Qt Gestures :) |
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| 18:06.56 | hiemanshu | does the keyboard have a backlight? I cant remember if it does :/ |
| 18:07.22 | wazd | hiemanshu: yes, but not always :P |
| 18:07.31 | hiemanshu | wazd: ah |
| 18:07.46 | wazd | hiemanshu: when it's in a good mood :) |
| 18:07.53 | hiemanshu | too hard trying to type in a dark room, is this nokias way of getting you to use the VKBD? |
| 18:08.33 | wazd | hiemanshu: I guess it's a software bug |
| 18:08.43 | hiemanshu | wazd: or a conspiracy :P |
| 18:09.08 | wazd | winks |
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| 18:14.52 | rZZZr | hiemanshu: i think it depends on the pm profile |
| 18:15.19 | hiemanshu | well battery is full |
| 18:15.19 | rZr | Venemo: have you tested bip |
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| 18:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | or znc |
| 18:34.26 | rZr | DocScrutinizer: do you prefer that one ? |
| 18:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, I for some reason I can't recall anymore switched from bip to znc |
| 18:35.27 | rZr | then we should test it on irc-chatter |
| 18:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | I think bip has no automatic buffer playback |
| 18:35.47 | rZr | i put it on my todo list |
| 18:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | while znc at least notices a dropped connection after a short while and plays back buffer from that moment on at next connect |
| 18:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | then bip even had a bug for me, about parsing the <time> parameter to playback command |
| 18:37.13 | rZr | i plan to use it along bitlbee for xmpp |
| 18:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | which resulted in whole buffer getting played back each time |
| 18:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | znc has some other small issues, e.g it doesn't work for concurrent xchat & Konversation clients |
| 18:38.58 | rZr | I'll have to backport it to lenny :( |
| 18:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | probably just easy enough |
| 18:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | I had to build it on centOS ;-D |
| 18:40.43 | rZr | not harmattan ? :) |
| 18:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol, znc on HARM? what for? |
| 18:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | even more silly than asterisk |
| 18:41.30 | rZr | for a fanless freedombox |
| 18:49.07 | rZr | i wish a bnc that supports xmpp +sip too |
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| 18:59.00 | Venemo | rZr, what is bip? |
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| 19:23.05 | rZr | Venemo: an irc gateway |
| 19:23.30 | rZr | Venemo: apt-get install bip on your debian box |
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| 20:08.19 | djszapi_ | hi fiferboy |
| 20:08.35 | djszapi_ | Could you manage your security issue or do you still need my assistance ? |
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| 20:24.26 | Venemo_N950 | meh, my N950 screen became very scratchy in the past 2 weeks |
| 20:25.27 | djszapi_ | Venemo :) |
| 20:26.33 | Venemo_N950 | :( |
| 20:27.00 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi_, this is no laughing matter |
| 20:27.21 | djszapi_ | ok, let us cry :) |
| 20:27.32 | djszapi_ | yep, things like that happen... |
| 20:27.37 | Venemo_N950 | :P |
| 20:28.04 | Venemo_N950 | at least we know it's not gorilla glass |
| 20:28.10 | berndhs | and keep your diamond rings away from the glass |
| 20:28.30 | Venemo_N950 | if I could afford diamond rings... |
| 20:29.31 | djszapi_ | Venemo: there was an android phone last night at the company party with completely broken glasses ... swiping worked as if it had been a new gadget. |
| 20:29.43 | Venemo_N950 | :D |
| 20:30.09 | djszapi_ | mmm, I should have made a picture about it .. :) |
| 20:32.07 | djszapi_ | anybody coming to the Qt Developer Days (Munich, October?) |
| 20:32.50 | Venemo_N950 | again, if I could afford it |
| 20:33.05 | Venemo_N950 | I think I couldn't pay for even the flight there. |
| 20:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | I can't even pay for the lunch there ;-P |
| 20:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | Muenchen, OMG |
| 20:37.31 | berndhs | how much is a cup of coffee there? about $5 ? |
| 20:37.39 | djszapi_ | I wonder whether there will be any Harmattan community event (probably nope). |
| 20:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | living that close to Munich we tend to stay as far away from it as possible ;-D |
| 20:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | i my case "close" is <200km |
| 20:43.12 | djszapi_ | where do you live ? |
| 20:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 20:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | so ~150km from Munich |
| 21:04.39 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
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| 21:14.21 | TSCHAKeee | can SOMEBODY forward mail to qgil? ;) I got yet another request to buy my N950 |
| 21:14.37 | TSCHAKeee | this is insane, i've never seen people chomping at a bit for a phone so badly |
| 21:14.51 | macmaN | lol, ive got a pm on the forum about buying the phone |
| 21:15.02 | macmaN | i told him hell yeah im gonna sell the phone for 100,000 EUR |
| 21:15.41 | macmaN | then i had to correct his spelling of "crasy" in the follow up |
| 21:15.59 | TSCHAKeee | some ppl are like, I'LL PAY $600 |
| 21:16.01 | macmaN | but haven't really heard anything about transferring the cash ever since |
| 21:16.05 | TSCHAKeee | gee, that's nice |
| 21:27.22 | djszapi_ | : |
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| 21:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | TSCHAKeee, his email address is public. |
| 21:30.17 | TSCHAKeee | yeah, I know... :P |
| 21:30.21 | Sput | will come to Munich |
| 21:30.37 | Sput | as every year. |
| 21:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | WUT USD600??? morons, idiots, and I'll top it up to pay the 500EURO penalty to Nokia, or what? |
| 21:33.27 | special | you'd be lucky to get away with just a 500eur penalty there |
| 21:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | I bet IF Nokia would sell it then it'd coste >>USD600 |
| 21:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | hell even my N900 was more expensive than $600 |
| 21:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | shakes head about how successfull universe is at the task of creating better fools |
| 21:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | (the ever lasting race between programmers and universe, you know what I'm talking about) |
| 21:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | probably those that ask you to sell N950 for 600 bucks actually qualify for veritable betatesters and should ask Nokia to get a N950 for free ;-P |
| 21:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | you just have to offer them to send the device back in to get a spare, whenever *any* problem occurs |
| 21:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | you bet they'll find them all, those bugs you never could've figured anybody ever could run into |
| 21:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | ""I push but kbd no slide. I push harder and it crakd. GUESS WHAT!1!! they built kbd to wrong side of my device!"" |
| 21:47.40 | kimju | :D |
| 21:53.25 | artemm | Anybody tried 1.1.3 SDK already? |
| 21:53.46 | artemm | I thought it's supposed to include 4.7.4 for desktop, but I see only 4.7.3 :/ |
| 21:53.52 | macmaN | upgrade installed fine on linux, but choked on some error on os x |
| 21:54.08 | artemm | yep, I also got errors related to simulator installation |
| 21:54.20 | artemm | but hoped to still see Harmattan components on desktop |
| 21:55.03 | artemm | https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-859 |
| 21:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | macmaN: somebody calculated for us each N950 is worth ~USD 3.3mio, no? So how can you offer it for as little as 100k? ;-D |
| 22:00.02 | SpeedEvil | 3.3M sounds high. |
| 22:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | 1 billion for developing harmattan / 300 units |
| 22:00.34 | SpeedEvil | You could claim around a tenth of that for a sort-of-straight face, I guess. |
| 22:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | sure, probably there are more than just 300 |
| 22:01.20 | SpeedEvil | 1 billion? |
| 22:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 22:01.47 | rantom | Probably for spares |
| 22:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | given harmattan bases on fremantle bases on diablo... |
| 22:02.15 | rantom | :) |
| 22:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | 1 billion doesn't sound too much |
| 22:02.27 | rantom | I'm rather glad it's not that easy to get |
| 22:02.57 | rantom | I just today checked the talk.maemo.org and dear god that level of... |
| 22:03.12 | rantom | Let's just say that I couldn't tolerate tmo using N950 |
| 22:03.29 | artemm | come on, most of 950 software (and HW too), will be reused. Ask for 1omln max, not 1 billion :) |
| 22:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | I think that number comes from "how much in IP value is Nokia binning with maemo?" |
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| 22:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | so yeah it probably really took 10^9 bucks worth of work to get to the point of building those particular phones |
| 22:07.24 | SpeedEvil | It makes little sense to allocate all of it to that though. |
| 22:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | was just a pun |
| 22:07.45 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a few months of effort that went into harmattan adaption of devices with keyboards. |
| 22:08.07 | artemm | who knew the platforms were going to be "burning" :) |
| 22:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you could as well claim your Teflon(R) pan is worth ~ 7 billion |
| 22:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | no real sense in those calculations, just a funny new POV |
| 22:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | similar to "what's the value of a human body?" 1.83$ like some claim the water, calcium, carbon, phosphor etc is worth? several millions as there are extremely expensive hormones etc in a human body? - it's obviously a nonsensical equation, as it always leaves out important factors |
| 22:45.09 | Sput | TSCHAKeee: now if only Nokia was as intent to selling the N950 as people are to buy it... |
| 22:45.38 | Sput | please insert correct grammar as needed :) |
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