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| 01:31.48 | rm_you | hrm, new update for Store package? how many times has this been discussed already today? :P |
| 01:32.56 | SpeedEvil | is still hitting the auth bug. |
| 01:33.10 | SpeedEvil | ponders reflashing again. |
| 01:34.13 | SpeedEvil | Is there a proper way to switch off, other than holding the button for ages/ |
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| 01:41.03 | rm_you | not AFAICT |
| 01:41.20 | SpeedEvil | reflashes |
| 01:55.14 | SpeedEvil | boots. |
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| 03:05.47 | special | hm |
| 03:05.57 | special | does anyone know where the N950 puts backups? |
| 03:06.16 | special | I'd like to keep one before I flash to avoid setting things up again |
| 03:08.39 | special | ah, ~/MyDocs/.backups/ |
| 03:09.19 | SpeedEvil | Where is the backup app - I missed that |
| 03:10.15 | SpeedEvil | ah - backup |
| 03:11.09 | special | I assume flashing is what I want to do with a new n950 |
| 03:13.05 | SpeedEvil | Well - I've never gotten nokia accounts to work afterwards |
| 03:13.11 | SpeedEvil | Maybe setup one before flashing |
| 03:13.26 | SpeedEvil | I think some people did that with positive results |
| 03:14.52 | special | noted, thanks |
| 03:17.13 | SpeedEvil | Currently tried flashing, then immediately setting up the nokia account up. |
| 03:17.34 | SpeedEvil | And then found out later I'd swapped the netmask and gateway in the IP connections, so it wasn't actually getting to the net. |
| 03:18.56 | special | mmm |
| 03:25.50 | TSCHAKeee | what QML component set are we supposed to use for Harmattan? |
| 03:33.35 | hiemanshu | TSCHAKeee: qt-components |
| 03:53.51 | TSCHAKeee | anyone have a link to qt-components? or do I need to grab out of svn somewhere? |
| 04:02.05 | Scifig | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components? |
| 04:20.11 | special | SpeedEvil: nokia account is working for me |
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| 06:32.51 | rzr | special:can u use ovi store ? |
| 06:42.45 | hiemanshu | starts flashing N950 |
| 06:42.57 | aslani | N950 - the flashing game |
| 06:43.32 | hiemanshu | the worst part, blank screen :/ |
| 06:43.39 | aslani | :s |
| 06:44.14 | hiemanshu | Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (PC-Suite Mode) and that is what lsusb says |
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| 07:05.35 | ieatlint | at least flashing is pretty simple and quick |
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| 07:07.25 | Venemo | hey hiemanshu |
| 07:15.28 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/git # please double check |
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| 07:16.58 | Venemo | hey rzr :) |
| 07:22.47 | wazd | hi all |
| 07:25.27 | Venemo | does anyone know how I can obtain this component? https://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Recipient_Editor.html |
| 07:26.34 | wazd | Venemo: hmmm, I didn't even know it exists :P |
| 07:26.51 | tomma | MeegoTouch or nokias own thing? |
| 07:27.03 | Venemo | I do not know |
| 07:27.15 | Venemo | there seems to be no trace of this component in their development library |
| 07:31.00 | Venemo | I also haven't seen that "text bubble" component that appears in its popup |
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| 07:35.11 | ajalkane | i think i saw the bubble in mtf and qt-components |
| 07:35.40 | w00t_ | recipients editor is another library |
| 07:36.10 | w00t_ | librecipients-editor or something iirc |
| 07:37.51 | Venemo | mhm |
| 07:39.16 | ajalkane | there it is, 3 |
| 07:39.25 | Venemo | w00t_, have you seen http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter ? |
| 07:39.42 | ajalkane | Edit>ubble.qml |
| 07:39.56 | Venemo | ajalkane ? |
| 07:39.59 | ajalkane | damn n9tp kb |
| 07:40.33 | w00t_ | no, been busy the past days.. i'm home on sunday, so maybe i'll take a look then |
| 07:40.45 | Venemo | ajalkane, you're connecting from the N950? |
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| 07:42.13 | Tronic | thp: Actually PB Fantasies needs to be started without headset or it will have no sound. Headset can be used but it needs to be connected only after starting the app. |
| 07:42.43 | Tronic | For some reason all my songs and photos disappeared from Music/Gallery. |
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| 07:42.58 | aslani | Tronic: reboot |
| 07:43.02 | Tronic | I think this happened after using the phone in USB storage mode. |
| 07:43.18 | w00t_ | Tronic: are your contacts still there? |
| 07:43.39 | ajalkane | Sorry, I think its the Magnifier.qml in qt-components that does it |
| 07:43.40 | Tronic | I've rebooted, no help. |
| 07:44.06 | Tronic | The files are where they should be (ls in terminal) and new photos I take will appear in gallery. |
| 07:44.29 | hiemanshu | Venemo: hey |
| 07:44.39 | ajalkane | Venemo: yes with n950. Damn corp firewall disallows ssh conns outside. " |
| 07:45.35 | ajalkane | So I sssh with n950 to my server and use screen + irssi |
| 07:46.01 | hiemanshu | stupid OCF ends with bb5_rdc_cert_read failed when trying to flash mmc |
| 07:47.36 | Wirta | anyone else having problems when updating n950 trough applications manager? mine stays in "Checking for updates" |
| 07:50.47 | Tronic | Any new files I put in DCIM appear in Gallery but old ones don't even if I touch them. |
| 07:51.04 | w00t_ | Tronic: so, contacts? |
| 07:51.20 | Tronic | Contacts appear fine. |
| 07:51.40 | w00t_ | ok |
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| 07:52.16 | w00t_ | you'll probably want to play with the tracker indexer, search around in the db, perhaps it still has them in there (just corrupt) which is why it isn't reindexing them - I don't really know anything about file indexing so I'm not much help there |
| 07:56.36 | hiemanshu | now the phone wont flash :/ |
| 08:03.03 | wazd | Venemo: if you'll eventualy find this completer stuff - ping me, we need it for OMW :P |
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| 08:10.43 | spenap | Tronic, try «tracker-info» on some of the items not showing |
| 08:11.39 | spenap | (and maybe then tracker-control -krs to kill, reset and restart the databases?) |
| 08:12.45 | Tronic | spenap: Results: (a few empty lines) |
| 08:12.58 | spenap | that means that the items are not indexed |
| 08:13.25 | spenap | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.44 | spenap | you can restart all the databases with the line I wrote before, or just try to reindex the missing content manually |
| 08:13.46 | w00t_ | (note that resetting the tracker database means you'll lose all your contacts and a lot of other things) |
| 08:14.01 | Tronic | Any idea why it got broken in the first place? |
| 08:14.17 | Tronic | Running out of battery and database corruption perhaps? |
| 08:14.29 | spenap | Tronic, and w00t_ is right: resetting it has this effect |
| 08:18.01 | hiemanshu | ERROR: Unable to get SU_PARAM_SUPPORTED_IMAGES ERROR: Could not find flashing interface Any idea how to fix this issue with the ocf? |
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| 08:21.06 | villev | so, someone here tried open kernel already? Stskeeps? |
| 08:21.39 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know, booting yes |
| 08:21.46 | SpeedEvil | But not actually working |
| 08:21.51 | SpeedEvil | and yes, it was he. |
| 08:22.02 | villev | ok SpeedEvil. recall what the problem was? |
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| 08:22.34 | villev | some detail, or platsec blocking it somehow? |
| 08:22.58 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure of the exact issue. |
| 08:23.25 | SpeedEvil | If it boots at all though, it can be gotten to work - in a meego-ce manner. |
| 08:23.41 | villev | what do you mean meego-ce manner? |
| 08:23.45 | SpeedEvil | Exactly how well it will work with the released harmattan images are an interesting question. |
| 08:24.15 | villev | in a manner where we replace all the sw? |
| 08:24.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 08:24.46 | villev | was stskeeps using vanilla kernel or harmattan kernel w/ enforcement disabled? |
| 08:25.18 | villev | sorry for making you channel Stskeeps here btw ;-) |
| 08:25.37 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, it was harmattan kernel with aegis ripped out |
| 08:26.12 | villev | hm, I guess aegis would need to be there in neutered form |
| 08:26.29 | villev | you can disable enforcement by echo:ing "something" under /sys |
| 08:26.35 | villev | or at least that used to be the case |
| 08:26.49 | SpeedEvil | Not with current images. |
| 08:26.56 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 08:27.04 | villev | yeah, so we need a kernel that allows that again |
| 08:27.11 | SpeedEvil | current developer released images. There is a hack involving a kernel module to disable it |
| 08:27.23 | villev | yeah, but don't count on that working for long |
| 08:28.05 | villev | so we need a more "durable" solution where a kernel is replaced with an aegis-neutered version |
| 08:28.16 | villev | using flasher or w/e |
| 08:28.44 | SpeedEvil | Something like that. |
| 08:31.13 | Venemo | hiemanshu, join #irc-chatter |
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| 08:40.59 | hiemanshu | wtf does bb5_rdc_cert_read failed mean? my device wont flash because of that error |
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| 08:44.28 | villev | anyone know a cross platform way to "mkdir /home/user/foo" as root? |
| 08:44.51 | villev | I can do devel-su -c "mkdir /home/user/foo" user |
| 08:44.51 | hiemanshu | villev: using Qt? |
| 08:44.54 | villev | but I hate that |
| 08:44.56 | villev | no, command line |
| 08:45.01 | hiemanshu | ah, well no |
| 08:45.21 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: around? |
| 08:45.26 | djszapi | villev: give the proper credentials to root. |
| 08:45.29 | tomma | ssh as root to localhost if root login from ssh is enabled? |
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| 08:46.12 | tomma | hmm... can root in harmattan write to users home? |
| 08:46.17 | villev | tomma: er, I'd want to do that non-interactively |
| 08:46.29 | villev | tomma: no, it can't by default at least |
| 08:46.52 | villev | with devel-su it can switch to be an user |
| 08:47.21 | villev | and can execute the command. but I'd want something cross platform |
| 08:47.45 | villev | or basically make /home/user free for root to manipulate |
| 08:47.53 | villev | I'll see if I can hack it somehow |
| 08:49.42 | ieatlint | did you consider "mkdir /home/user/foo; chown root /home/user/foo" ? |
| 08:49.49 | ieatlint | i think that will work |
| 08:50.11 | ieatlint | damn, nm, tried :) |
| 08:51.14 | hiemanshu | anyone around with the Linux One Click Flasher can give me the md5sum (if it has worked for you) |
| 08:55.37 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: yes |
| 08:56.36 | Kypeli | Btw. will the N9 have a different theme from the N950? |
| 08:56.45 | Kypeli | Just wondering how my app will look in that... |
| 08:57.03 | SpeedEvil | 1c233f8ecf38b2debc1a77b6ca7fb104 Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 08:57.40 | ieatlint | Kypeli: nope |
| 08:57.55 | SpeedEvil | My device flashed just fine - I wonder if cert things are broken on it - it's doing the not logging into accounts thing. |
| 08:57.56 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: and that worked for you? |
| 08:58.00 | ieatlint | the theme on the n950 may not be the final, however |
| 08:58.13 | ieatlint | but it'll be 95% the same |
| 08:58.17 | Kypeli | Ok |
| 08:58.19 | Kypeli | Thanks |
| 08:59.13 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: 883ff62125dd5a8a5fbda5b955e2d8f4 Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 08:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
| 08:59.41 | hiemanshu | thats probably why it wont work |
| 09:00.25 | rcg | 1c233f8ecf38b2debc1a77b6ca7fb104 Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 09:00.48 | hiemanshu | ah so its me |
| 09:00.59 | hiemanshu | re-downloads |
| 09:01.38 | hiemanshu | and there is no md5sum or anything to verify on the nokia site either |
| 09:02.40 | SpeedEvil | 99% would be solved just by changing the tar archive inside to a gzipped tar archive |
| 09:02.51 | SpeedEvil | as gzip would barf (usually) if there was an error |
| 09:02.59 | hiemanshu | true |
| 09:03.55 | kimju | tar should be able to tell if the file is truncated too. |
| 09:04.21 | kimju | unless an entire file with headers is missing |
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| 09:12.29 | frals | <villev> you can disable enforcement by echo:ing "something" under /sys |
| 09:12.34 | frals | pretty sure you need RDC for that |
| 09:12.52 | villev | frals: yeah... it was about wanting to have that in sales image too |
| 09:13.11 | villev | i.e. that could be the "open" kernel |
| 09:13.26 | frals | removing the need for RDC in images would be nice indeed |
| 09:13.34 | hiemanshu | well javispedra found a way, something about the rekont.conf something, and then echo |
| 09:14.03 | villev | hiemanshu: as said, don't count on that working forever |
| 09:15.08 | kimju | develsh allows you to load kernel modules without any authentication of origin. he made a kernel module that pokes aegis internals and disables the enforcing mode. |
| 09:15.35 | kimju | so that works on current images, as you have the develsh with enough of privileges. |
| 09:16.08 | villev | but any platsec that allows you to load arbitrary kernel modules doesn't make any sense, so... |
| 09:16.53 | RST38h | EHLO, gentlemen |
| 09:17.08 | RST38h | How is suffering today, how is abandonment? =) |
| 09:18.36 | wazd | RST38h: woowoo |
| 09:19.24 | wazd | RST38h: got info that Mobile Yandex Maps manager has got N950 :) |
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| 09:19.43 | wazd | RST38h: though they're not thinking bout developing anything for it yet |
| 09:20.58 | lcuk | morning harmattan folks \o |
| 09:21.06 | lcuk | mgedmin, what happened to your n950? |
| 09:21.19 | wazd | lcuk: o/ |
| 09:21.34 | hiemanshu | lcuk: \o |
| 09:22.13 | wazd | RST38h: do you have some kind of layout for ATi button hotspots? |
| 09:26.24 | cpscotti | morning all! |
| 09:26.46 | hiemanshu | morning cpscotti |
| 09:29.05 | cpscotti | lol @ RST38h 's "abandonment" thing.. |
| 09:32.48 | wazd | Does N950 exports all my phones to facebook too? :) |
| 09:34.37 | RST38h | wazd: Yep, but not at work. On the other hand though./... |
| 09:34.40 | villev | so what's the point of restricting what root can do if the root can "devel-su user" anyway? |
| 09:34.49 | villev | any aegis experts around? |
| 09:35.46 | kimju | villev, normally there won't be devel-su nor develsh available? |
| 09:36.18 | villev | so they are also planning to remove devel-su? eek |
| 09:39.15 | maxw | anyone seen the battery icon stuck in portrait? |
| 09:39.28 | frals | villev: normally as in, unless developer mode is enabled |
| 09:39.46 | villev | ah right frals |
| 09:40.29 | RST38h | wazd: http://pastebin.com/VNBNwKRc |
| 09:42.42 | wazd | RST38h: errr :) |
| 09:43.07 | wazd | RST38h: any designer-friendy file maybe? :F |
| 09:55.13 | RST38h | wazd: Sorry :( I am at work and cannot easily get you an image here |
| 09:55.25 | RST38h | wazd: pulled this table from the openly available source code |
| 09:56.07 | RST38h | wazd: I will look at perl image processing abilities in am oment, maybe we can generate an image quickly enough |
| 09:58.52 | maxw | anyone know of a music player for n950 other than the built in one? its gapless-less-ness is bugging me |
| 10:00.46 | Venemo | maxw, nope, but there are LOTS of entries into the community program which are promising to port various music players |
| 10:00.57 | Venemo | maxw, so I think that there will be one to your liking |
| 10:01.24 | wazd | RST38h: that would be great, thanks |
| 10:01.34 | wazd | RST38h: any news from Arkenoi btw? :P |
| 10:02.40 | RST38h | wazd: nah |
| 10:02.51 | RST38h | wazd: what news are you expecting? |
| 10:02.58 | wazd | RST38h: bout the firmware |
| 10:03.42 | RST38h | wazd: well it does not conern me, either way :) |
| 10:03.47 | Venemo | ~seen qgil |
| 10:03.53 | infobot | qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 18h 30m 45s ago, saying: 'mgedmin: fair enough, now you know :)'. |
| 10:04.03 | wazd | RST38h: he supposed to kill the nokia contact and bring the fresh firmware today :P |
| 10:04.12 | maxw | Venemo: thanks |
| 10:04.25 | Venemo | maxw :) |
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| 10:07.29 | Venemo | hm |
| 10:07.37 | Venemo | has anyone received a white N950? like this: http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Nokia-N9-00.jpg |
| 10:08.06 | villev | Venemo: that's silver, not white |
| 10:08.11 | Venemo | villev, ok, then. |
| 10:08.17 | Venemo | has anyone received a silver N950? |
| 10:08.27 | Wirta | that is the pre version I think |
| 10:08.31 | Wirta | before the paint job |
| 10:08.33 | cpscotti | Venemo, that's the old prototype I think. I saw one but they are different in maany ways |
| 10:08.35 | villev | I'm sure google is your friend reg. silver harmattan device |
| 10:08.53 | Venemo | cpscotti, could you please elaborate? |
| 10:09.14 | Venemo | villev, well, according to google, that device is "the N9", which got "cancelled" at the end of last year. |
| 10:09.18 | cpscotti | Venemo, iirc that's the one that built the 12mgpx myth |
| 10:09.39 | Venemo | so that is one of the "prototype N950"s? |
| 10:09.44 | cpscotti | Venemo, |
| 10:09.45 | cpscotti | ye |
| 10:10.09 | cpscotti | well, back in the day there wasn't much of a distinction between the n9/n950 |
| 10:10.24 | cpscotti | so I think that one is the "missing link" between both |
| 10:11.18 | Venemo | hm. |
| 10:11.30 | Venemo | I am very curious about the truth behind the N950 |
| 10:12.29 | Venemo | I agree with what DocScrutinizer and others pointed out, I don't believe that Nokia launched a one-of-a-kind dev device just for the purpose of giving it to us. |
| 10:12.54 | villev | doesn't that make you feel precious Venemo? ;-) |
| 10:13.15 | cpscotti | Venemo, I believe that at some point they had the idea to put it into production |
| 10:13.35 | cpscotti | but then came the ceo.... |
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| 10:17.05 | Venemo | villev, yeah it does make me WANT it even more :P |
| 10:17.27 | villev | ah, you don't have it |
| 10:17.37 | Venemo | I have it. |
| 10:17.50 | villev | ok, it's good to want something you already have ;-) |
| 10:17.55 | Venemo | indeed :) |
| 10:28.11 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: I get the same 883f* thing, do we need to use the quick format flasher or the normal one? |
| 10:28.42 | SpeedEvil | quick if you have early NOLO |
| 10:28.57 | hiemanshu | IIRC I have the .37 something |
| 10:29.01 | hiemanshu | double checks |
| 10:30.24 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: you used the normal one click flasher right? |
| 10:31.13 | SpeedEvil | I used one-click, it diddn't work, device was bootlooping, then I used the quick, then one-click again, and it eventually worked |
| 10:31.18 | SpeedEvil | something odd was going on |
| 10:31.48 | villev | anyone had a problem where you can't flash your device, where it blocks when writing root fs? |
| 10:31.59 | villev | after transferring ~32768 bytes |
| 10:32.40 | villev | My n950 is bricked that way. I have to use an old prototype for development work... |
| 10:33.03 | hiemanshu | everytime there is an error the damned thing has to re-extract everything |
| 10:33.04 | villev | it also gives nice I/O errors |
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| 10:33.51 | hiemanshu | NOLO version 2.0.37 |
| 10:34.57 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: what would it say with the normal one? |
| 10:35.47 | SpeedEvil | I had to upgrade my laptop to kernel 3.0 before it would flash properly |
| 10:35.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't know why |
| 10:35.56 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure that was the reaso |
| 10:36.32 | hiemanshu | I currently only have a linux machine with me, once I go home I can try a windows machine and different cables |
| 10:37.18 | frals | villev: try with erase image and then cold flash |
| 10:37.58 | hiemanshu | mine starts flashing, reached the mmc flashing part and stops with an error |
| 10:38.13 | villev | frals: I think I tried that. Can't recall what went wrong... |
| 10:38.19 | villev | is there a new erase image somewhere? |
| 10:38.26 | frals | dunno |
| 10:38.30 | villev | I think at least ENOS image I was unable to flash |
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| 10:38.52 | frals | otherwise hand it to your protomanager, should be solveable unless the emmc is fubar |
| 10:39.25 | frals | mine got stuck at some point during the first week i had it but erase image + praying fixed it |
| 10:39.42 | villev | yeah, I guess that's the right thing to do. Also the only way to get replacement if it's indeed fubar |
| 10:42.17 | hiemanshu | where can even get support if something happens? :/ |
| 10:42.30 | Venemo | good afternoon frals :) |
| 10:42.35 | villev | actually, I can't even find erase image right now |
| 10:42.49 | villev | frals: have PMO link for it? |
| 10:42.54 | hiemanshu | is it public? |
| 10:42.55 | villev | not next to usual flash matrix |
| 10:43.04 | villev | hiemanshu: of course not, nothing useful ever is ;-) |
| 10:43.16 | frals | villev: sorry, no, on vacation \o/ |
| 10:43.43 | hiemanshu | villev: ah damn :/ |
| 10:43.51 | villev | congratulations |
| 10:50.18 | hiemanshu | villev: http://paste.kde.org/108745/ |
| 10:50.22 | hiemanshu | do you have something similar? |
| 10:50.34 | hiemanshu | (look at rootfs) |
| 10:51.18 | villev | hiemanshu: does it block for you for minutes? |
| 10:51.29 | hiemanshu | villev: nope, just stops and exits there |
| 10:53.45 | hiemanshu | gives that error and exits |
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| 11:05.59 | cpscotti | ~logs |
| 11:05.59 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 11:12.16 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: ! |
| 11:12.34 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, here! :D |
| 11:12.44 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: sup man, long time |
| 11:13.11 | cpscotti | yeah ya.. I've been a bit out.. heh |
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| 11:27.45 | Venemo | cpscotti, http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ |
| 11:28.12 | cpscotti | hiemanshu, woo.. that one looks better! hehe thanks |
| 11:28.20 | cpscotti | woops, Venemo, |
| 11:28.21 | cpscotti | thanks |
| 11:28.54 | Venemo | cpscotti, this one is updated more frequently I think |
| 11:29.46 | cpscotti | Venemo, oh, great! Yep, it's just a few minutes lagged behind instead of a whole day |
| 11:30.37 | cpscotti | Hey anyone here thinking about using the QML Map ? Just did something that might be useful for someone around here: http://cpscotti.com/blog/?p=52 |
| 11:31.31 | cpscotti | (Basically it's a wrap around the original QML Map to provide continuous pinch-zoom and a few other bits |
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| 11:37.34 | Venemo | cpscotti, I'm not, but I plan to |
| 11:40.21 | xarcass | does anybody know here how to remove files, owned by user, from inside postrm script? |
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| 11:40.58 | cpscotti | Venemo, check it then! :D The prob with the native QML Map is that it's just too simple. If you just see it working: http://cpscotti.com/repository/binary/goodqmlmap_0_0_1_armel.deb |
| 11:41.38 | Venemo | cpscotti, by the way, have you heard of my IRC client? |
| 11:41.59 | cpscotti | Venemo, nope.. is it ready? cool! where's it? |
| 11:42.33 | Venemo | cpscotti, not 100% there yet, but a v0.1 is expected very soon, maybe in the next few days. |
| 11:42.42 | Venemo | cpscotti, see /topic in #irc-chatter |
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| 11:47.21 | cpscotti | Venemo, ah.. great! Do you have it on OBS or something? (or anywhere where I can get ircclient-qt ) |
| 11:47.51 | Venemo | cpscotti, libircclient-qt (and its -dev package if you want) can be found in RzR's repo |
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| 11:49.15 | Venemo | cpscotti, for the moment, you can build the client for yourself. change "Your_Nick_Here" in main.cpp and you're good to go. |
| 11:49.50 | cpscotti | Venemo, haha! awesome.. let's try it then |
| 11:52.24 | Venemo | cpscotti, share with us your experience and suggestions in #irc-chatter - and we also have a wishlish section in our wiki where you can post your wishlist :) |
| 11:53.35 | Venemo | cpscotti, as for your blog post, "No Flickering. The panning feels static and non-natural" -> "flickering" != "flicking" |
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| 11:55.16 | cpscotti | Venemo, (haha.. thanks.. that's an ugly one, fixed) |
| 11:55.33 | Venemo | cpscotti :) |
| 11:56.23 | Venemo | cpscotti, I also love the code highlighting stuff in your blog... :) |
| 11:57.35 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: where did you download the flasher and image from? |
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| 11:59.12 | cpscotti | Venemo, btw, just re-read those two bullet points and they weren't making much of a sense so fixed it a little bit. The code highlighting is from the "SyntaxHighlighter Evolved" wp plugin.. pretty simple & cool :D |
| 11:59.33 | wazd | RST38h: around? |
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| 11:59.42 | djszapi | interesting page: https://www.mylookout.com/mobile-threat-report |
| 12:01.03 | wazd | RST38h: all: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu1.png |
| 12:01.23 | wazd | good or bad? :) |
| 12:02.08 | hiemanshu | wazd: nice :) |
| 12:02.22 | hiemanshu | shoots himself in the head |
| 12:02.44 | wazd | hiemanshu: it's that nice? :D |
| 12:03.01 | hiemanshu | wazd: naah, phone wont flash |
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| 12:05.50 | wazd | wow, I've just received malware from "UPS" |
| 12:06.11 | Wirta | ? |
| 12:06.50 | wazd | well, not real ups of course but I wonder if it is a coincidence or they know that I should receive something |
| 12:08.52 | wazd | and ovi's built-in Norton antivirus didn't find anything ( |
| 12:10.08 | gri | Does the ovi store crash for everyone that often? I can't even install most applications like "compass" or "battery usage" - also normal? |
| 12:10.16 | wazd | gri: yep |
| 12:10.47 | gri | ok, then it's not my fault :) |
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| 12:19.58 | djszapi | lcuk o/ |
| 12:21.57 | MohammadAG | gri, segmentation faults due to the SSO daemon |
| 12:23.57 | gri | MohammadAG: Could this also be related to qml? QMLComponentsGallery now crashes when opening the "buttons" page. Also my cad-part browser application crashes when rotating while a Qt3D Viewport is visible |
| 12:24.17 | lcuk | morning djszapi |
| 12:24.55 | MohammadAG | gri, no, afaik it's MTF anyway |
| 12:26.30 | gri | MohammadAG: No, the ovi store is qml |
| 12:26.32 | hiemanshu | so, mirrors out of sync, getting the wrong OCF files and wondering why it wouldn't work |
| 12:26.36 | cpscotti | gri, my components gallery was crashing too bc the source I downloaded from github didn't add UiConstants to the QML context |
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| 12:27.22 | gri | cpscotti: I did not update the qt-components on the device |
| 12:28.04 | cpscotti | gri, but did you compile&deploy the QMLComponentsGallery source to the device? |
| 12:28.27 | gri | cpscotti: No, it's the stock one |
| 12:28.59 | cpscotti | gri, oh.. then dunno |
| 12:29.30 | gri | I didn't want to upgrade the version on the device since the com.nokia.extras on device is 1.0 and the current one 1.1 |
| 12:29.49 | gri | So some (well there are not many) qml applications might not work then |
| 12:30.21 | cpscotti | gri, get the source at https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components , then the component Gallery is under qt-components/examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery |
| 12:31.13 | cpscotti | gri, ahh.. see. |
| 12:32.07 | cpscotti | gri, ok but it's just the com.nokia.extras version that differs right? |
| 12:32.52 | gri | I don't remember exactly but I had a few issues when I upgraded the scratchbox' qt-components |
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| 12:34.42 | gri | for example "theme.inverted = true" in Components.onCompleted on the main component did not work anymore, I had to reset it from c++ side - but that may be fixed |
| 12:35.24 | cpscotti | gri, oh man, I had so many weird theme.inverted -related weird segfaults :/ |
| 12:36.00 | Your_nick_here | hiemanshu, it works |
| 12:36.13 | hiemanshu | Your_nick_here: so /j /p works |
| 12:36.15 | hiemanshu | ? |
| 12:36.27 | hiemanshu | with QSettings and all? |
| 12:36.59 | hiemanshu | Your_nick_here: can you /j #irc-chatter and then /p #irc-chatter? |
| 12:37.12 | Your_nick_here | no no.. didntdo anything, just built it |
| 12:37.28 | hiemanshu | Your_nick_here: my branch right? |
| 12:37.33 | hiemanshu | do as I said please |
| 12:38.14 | Your_nick_here | /j #irc-chatter |
| 12:38.21 | RST38h | wazd: No I am |
| 12:38.24 | hiemanshu | :/ |
| 12:38.33 | RST38h | wazd: Yeah, looks pretty damn cool =) |
| 12:38.35 | cpscotti | oh, that was weird |
| 12:38.48 | wazd | RST38h: awesome :) |
| 12:39.17 | wazd | RST38h: It was actually your idea :D |
| 12:39.18 | RST38h | wazd: maybe rotate the numeric labels 45 degrees, so that they fit the corner triangles |
| 12:39.35 | RST38h | wazd: ideas without execution are dime a dozen :) |
| 12:39.38 | gri | Is aegis' purpose also to prevent me from injecting into another process? |
| 12:39.56 | RST38h | wazd: not sure if the rotated labels will look any better though, so up to you |
| 12:41.27 | wazd | RST38h: maybe we can move SE label to the bottom-right corner |
| 12:46.39 | wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu2.png |
| 12:48.07 | gri | wazd: Where did you learn doing great UI? :) |
| 12:48.35 | wazd | gri: unfortunately nowhere :) |
| 12:49.22 | gri | So it's just a hobby? |
| 12:50.30 | RST38h | wazd: Oh yessss |
| 12:50.51 | wazd | gri: Well, sort of. I really want to work as a designer but nobody's interested in me :D |
| 12:51.17 | wazd | RST38h: awesome |
| 12:51.25 | RST38h | someone will eventually |
| 12:51.38 | RST38h | comes down to luck, at least with programming jobs it does =) |
| 12:52.26 | gri | wazd: If you'd see the ui's my colleagues create at work, you would cry and kick them :P |
| 12:53.43 | lizardo | SpeedEvil, Stskeeps , villev : I saw your discussion from some time ago on this channel (thanks to the logs). I posted some tips on how you can bypass aegis on kernel side, when building a custom kernel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1068445&postcount=31 HTH |
| 12:56.07 | wazd | gri: well, I guess they are programmers |
| 12:56.22 | Venemo | cpscotti, thanks :) |
| 12:56.34 | xarcass | wazd: do you really need a job, or are you just joking? |
| 12:58.14 | wazd | xarcass: sadly I'm not :) |
| 12:59.18 | xarcass | wazd: we've met in Dublin, but I can't remember where do you live |
| 13:01.05 | maxw | I'm wondering if I missed something...is there some new firmware or something? |
| 13:01.59 | wazd | xarcass: Moscow, Russia |
| 13:05.45 | xarcass | wazd: we're just seeking for UX designer for mobile applications ( meego included :) , so if interested, write a letter to d.priemov@rian.ru - he's my boss. I don't know all the details (salary, etc.). All I know, that all our apps are ugly as hell and there's plenty of work for a designer of your caliber. |
| 13:07.24 | RST38h | wazd: See? =) |
| 13:07.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:07.54 | alterego | Ask and you shall receive :) |
| 13:08.06 | Venemo | :) |
| 13:09.50 | djszapi | Is there still N950 devices left ? |
| 13:10.03 | hiemanshu | djszapi: dont think so |
| 13:10.07 | mgedmin | djszapi, I've heard they're all gone |
| 13:10.14 | RST38h | depends on where you are looking |
| 13:10.35 | Venemo | hey djszapi :) |
| 13:11.38 | wazd | xarcass: wow, that's awesome :) I'd surely do, thanks! |
| 13:11.56 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Researchers Make Graphene From Girl Scout Cookies |
| 13:12.16 | RST38h | Not yet plutonium, but they are working on it |
| 13:12.46 | djszapi | rZr: Could you please take a look at kdelibs, please ? |
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| 13:13.52 | wazd | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37920982/UI_Mockups/Ati/menu3.png |
| 13:15.10 | RST38h | wazd: yeah =) |
| 13:15.24 | RST38h | Is it the one I should use? |
| 13:15.44 | wazd | RST38h: well, I'll add the bottom buttons and yep |
| 13:15.51 | wazd | RST38h: pretty much |
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| 13:16.28 | RST38h | Go ahead, I will try integrating tonight |
| 13:16.47 | RST38h | OMG, the gnomes have decided to go ahead with the GNOME OS |
| 13:17.01 | RST38h | Will they take Lennart with them? Please? |
| 13:17.33 | hiemanshu | well they have been working on GNOME OS for a while now |
| 13:17.58 | RST38h | Have they consulted with the experts from all camps prior to making the decision? |
| 13:18.18 | RST38h | Have they got the psychiatric opinion? |
| 13:19.04 | hiemanshu | when they can make huge ass buttons for .05% of the GNOME users, they can do anything without asking |
| 13:19.50 | RST38h | Ok. But could they please take Lennart with them? |
| 13:20.05 | RST38h | No, really? |
| 13:20.32 | hiemanshu | I wish they do |
| 13:20.33 | wazd | RST38h: maybe I should make bottom controls smaller so we can enlarge info panel a bit? |
| 13:20.51 | RST38h | Both he and McCann work at RedHat |
| 13:21.05 | hiemanshu | I know that, and I know Lennart in person too |
| 13:21.22 | Venemo | RST38h, wut? Gnome os? wtf??? |
| 13:21.33 | RST38h | wazd: you can make them the part of the info panel, like place them into the rounded corners =) |
| 13:21.52 | RST38h | wazd: I do suggest making the info text brighter though, it is barely visible right now |
| 13:22.12 | Venemo | explain to me how "Gnome OS" would be of the slightest interest of ANY of the companies funding Gnome? |
| 13:22.47 | RST38h | Venemo: I do not think any of these gnome guys care any longer |
| 13:23.03 | RST38h | Venemo: But if you want a prediction of their business pitch it will go like this: |
| 13:23.16 | Venemo | RST38h, they surely care about the company from which they get their salaries |
| 13:23.44 | RST38h | Venemo: "With Ubuntu going with its own unity desktop, we need to differentiate Redhat from other distros, so let us give the users the integrated experience with a Gnome-based OS" |
| 13:23.55 | Venemo | yeah |
| 13:23.59 | RST38h | Venemo: I think that will mostly be redhat |
| 13:24.08 | Venemo | but the name of the OS I ran (last time I checked) was Fedora, not "Gnome OS" |
| 13:24.33 | Venemo | I understand that Red Hat wants to promote Fedora and Gnome 3. |
| 13:24.34 | RST38h | Venemo: Factual details are ineffectual during a pitch to the management =) |
| 13:24.55 | RST38h | No idea why Redhat would promote Fedora though. Not making any money from Fedora |
| 13:25.06 | Venemo | but I haven't a clue about how it is in their interest to demolish the hard-built Fedora image for a "Gnome OS". how ridiculous |
| 13:25.19 | Venemo | because they make their paid distro (RHEL) from Fedora. |
| 13:25.32 | Venemo | so it's only natural that they develop/promote it. |
| 13:25.34 | RST38h | Venemo: Ok, it will still be called Fedora |
| 13:26.02 | Venemo | I find it ridiculous sometimes how the Gnome guys are thinking. |
| 13:26.03 | RST38h | Venemo: But it will be heavily dependent on Gnome. So I guess the end result will be the unability to run KDE or Unity on Fedora |
| 13:26.11 | Venemo | I wouldn't think so |
| 13:26.16 | RST38h | THAT will make Fedora the "gnome os" |
| 13:26.23 | Venemo | Fedora was always a strong proponent of freedom of choice |
| 13:26.30 | Venemo | and it's considered the best KDE distro |
| 13:26.32 | hiemanshu | Fedora isn't the GNOME OS, please dont make it the GNOME OS |
| 13:26.37 | Venemo | hiemanshu ++++ |
| 13:26.38 | hiemanshu | is a Fedora dev and a KDE User |
| 13:26.58 | djszapi | KDE ftw ;) |
| 13:27.00 | RST38h | Ah, Lennart and SystemD two big driving forces behind it: http://www.go2linux.org/linux/2011/05/gnome-new-os-or-just-taking-advantages-some-systemd-features-1078.html |
| 13:27.07 | RST38h | *knew* =) |
| 13:27.43 | hiemanshu | RST38h: who didn't |
| 13:27.49 | hiemanshu | Lennart wants to take over the world! |
| 13:28.06 | Venemo | hiemanshu, Gnome OS will be over once Red Hat realizes it and fires those guys. |
| 13:28.24 | RST38h | hiemanshu: You mean, pvanhoof has not got a worthy contender? =) |
| 13:28.36 | RST38h | Venemo: Will not |
| 13:28.52 | RST38h | Venemo: But I do sincerely hope they will also keep Wayland there =) |
| 13:28.53 | hiemanshu | Venemo: they wont really fire them |
| 13:28.57 | alterego | Having 32G of mass memory is a real advantage on a device. |
| 13:29.04 | RST38h | s/not/now |
| 13:29.11 | hiemanshu | RST38h: naah, he wants to take over, doesn't mean he can |
| 13:29.30 | Venemo | alterego, yeah |
| 13:29.37 | Venemo | alterego, a shame that the N950 doesn't. |
| 13:30.05 | alterego | Yeah, I hope the N9 64G model is reasonibly priced .. |
| 13:30.26 | Venemo | alterego, it will definitely not be reasonably priced |
| 13:30.30 | alterego | :) |
| 13:30.37 | Jaffa | alterego: Given the 500gbp+ mentions :-( |
| 13:30.39 | alterego | Maybe I'll wait a year or two then ;) |
| 13:30.54 | Venemo | alterego, and I definitely won't buy. maybe in a year, for a reasonable used price. |
| 13:30.56 | Jaffa | alterego: Maybe the 16GB N950s will be swapped for 64GB N9s in a choice of coloour? ;-) |
| 13:31.04 | Venemo | Jaffa, haha :) |
| 13:31.13 | alterego | Jaffa: unlikely, we'll probably get 16G black N9s :P |
| 13:31.20 | alterego | If the trade option does happen. |
| 13:31.23 | Venemo | meh. |
| 13:31.29 | Jaffa | alterego: Without secure NFC. Meh. |
| 13:31.32 | alterego | But then, I'd rather keep the N950 .. |
| 13:31.37 | Venemo | agreed |
| 13:31.42 | Jaffa | alterego: agreed |
| 13:31.43 | alterego | And Buy an N9 |
| 13:32.01 | Jaffa | Styling's very sexy on the N9 (having held a prototype), but not enough pluses of N9 over N950 |
| 13:32.07 | Venemo | choosing between a one-of-a-kind dev device and a hypeable consumer device... it isn't a hard choice to choose the N950 :) |
| 13:32.25 | mgedmin | my biggest nightmare is nokia deciding to sell n9 with windows phone |
| 13:32.28 | RST38h | quietly changes BT name of his N950 to "precious" |
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| 13:32.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:32.35 | Venemo | RST38h :P |
| 13:32.40 | Jaffa | hides RST38h's preciousssss |
| 13:32.46 | Jaffa | Actually, that sounds dodgy |
| 13:32.47 | mgedmin | and resellers getting confused about which one I want/not making the meego version available |
| 13:32.52 | wazd | RST38h: simpsons did it :P |
| 13:32.57 | RST38h | mgedmin: You mean, you wake up after dreaming about accidentally buying W9 instead of N9? |
| 13:33.10 | Venemo | :P |
| 13:33.53 | alterego | I heard Nokia are changing the naming scheme, I imagine the N9 will be the last "N-series" phone .. |
| 13:34.05 | alterego | I hate to think what this will do to their brand image .. |
| 13:34.09 | RST38h | they went to 3-digit numbers |
| 13:34.17 | RST38h | same as their little WinCE-based GPS unit |
| 13:34.34 | alterego | C, N, E, X, people understoon those, a numeric naming scheme is just stupid. |
| 13:34.52 | RST38h | In fact, that might have the reason, with Elop using the only familiar product as a protoype for the naming scheme |
| 13:34.58 | hiemanshu | alterego: they started with a number naming, and now going back to it |
| 13:35.03 | fiferboy | Siwtching from Mercedes naming to Volvo naming? |
| 13:35.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:35.23 | alterego | Jaguar naming :) |
| 13:35.35 | RST38h | prefers LADA naming =) |
| 13:35.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:35.52 | RST38h | type-class-model |
| 13:36.27 | hiemanshu | or Ubuntu Naming :/ |
| 13:36.37 | RST38h | actually, it is the old Soviet GOST (circa 1970) |
| 13:36.53 | lcuk | super-high-schiffer |
| 13:36.56 | RST38h | hmm, we are getting to Maemo Naming pretty quickly here... |
| 13:37.48 | alterego | Well, at least it's not Microsoft naming "home", "premium", "professional", "enterprise", "ultimate" :D |
| 13:38.05 | RST38h | alterego: all differing by a few registry keys? |
| 13:38.44 | mgedmin | where do harmattan backups live? /home/user/MyDocs/.backups? |
| 13:38.49 | alterego | Well, there are some differences, but probably smaller differences than the 'N' versions. |
| 13:38.50 | mgedmin | the directory doesn't exist after a fresh reflash |
| 13:38.59 | mgedmin | I don't know where to copy my old Backup0 directory |
| 13:39.46 | Venemo | rZr, ping |
| 13:39.59 | RST38h | looks like they are promising a windows nokia phone in september now... |
| 13:40.09 | RST38h | will know what the naming looks like then... |
| 13:40.23 | Venemo | who cares really? |
| 13:40.32 | Venemo | 'Nokia 500' was a forgettable GPS device |
| 13:40.32 | alterego | I'm gonna get one |
| 13:40.41 | Venemo | alterego, you're getting a WP7? :P |
| 13:40.50 | alterego | Sure, I need to know how waterproof it is. |
| 13:41.03 | Venemo | lol, are you being serious? |
| 13:41.29 | alterego | Well, I'll probably get one, but I aint gonna buy it. |
| 13:41.39 | Venemo | 'get' how? |
| 13:42.20 | alterego | I'm sure I'll find a way :P |
| 13:42.28 | Venemo | heh :D |
| 13:42.37 | alterego | I neeed some basis for my negative campaign :P |
| 13:42.37 | Venemo | WP7 is a nice, but somewhat primitive OS |
| 13:44.07 | alterego | Well, I don't see how it's "nice" .. |
| 13:44.11 | alterego | Just looks like another toy OS |
| 13:44.14 | Venemo | yeah |
| 13:44.21 | MohammadAG | Venemo, may I suggest the vertical bar be horizontal in portrait mode? |
| 13:44.21 | Venemo | its simplicity makes it "nice". |
| 13:44.28 | hiemanshu | http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/08/11/funny-facebook-fails-john-from-nebraska/ <-- EPIC TROLL |
| 13:44.33 | RST38h | it is not another os, it is the same WinCE |
| 13:45.04 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I thought about it, but I don't think it would look or feel well. it's hard to horizontally flick at the top when you're holding the device in portrait. |
| 13:45.17 | Venemo | RST38h, but it haz Silverlight! |
| 13:45.44 | alterego | RST38h: that's sort of like saying Maemo is the same as Android :P |
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| 13:48.33 | RST38h | alterego: Maemo is not android but it is linux |
| 13:48.48 | Venemo | Android is NOT Linux. |
| 13:49.06 | alterego | Well, it is Linux, it's just not GNU/Linux |
| 13:49.13 | mgedmin | /home/user/MyDocs/.backup or /home/user/MyDocs/.backups? |
| 13:49.14 | alterego | And GNU is not UNIX .. |
| 13:49.23 | mgedmin | anyone with a N950 and a backup could take a look please? |
| 13:49.26 | alterego | So where the fuck are we?! |
| 13:49.47 | Venemo | alterego, nope, Android doesn't use Linux. they use a bastardized version which is even incompatible with the original one. |
| 13:50.08 | alterego | Venemo: I think you'll find that it's 99.99999999999999999% linux :P |
| 13:50.24 | Venemo | alterego, which is incompatible with 100% linux |
| 13:50.28 | alterego | What small changes they may make are minute compared to Linux :P |
| 13:50.34 | Venemo | haha |
| 13:50.35 | alterego | Rubbish |
| 13:50.46 | alterego | What is "incompatible with linux" |
| 13:51.09 | MohammadAG | LMFAO hiemanshu |
| 13:51.16 | alterego | If I can compile, say, libc against their kernel headers, using glibc's linux configuration, then I'd say it's pretty compatible .. |
| 13:51.57 | Venemo | alterego, not talking about libxy |
| 13:52.18 | Venemo | alterego, it is a fact that it's not possible to make a driver which is compatible with both mainline linux and android |
| 13:52.28 | alterego | Then what are you talking about? Because that is what makes the kernel "compatible" .. |
| 13:52.54 | alterego | What have they broken to do with drivers? |
| 13:53.13 | alterego | Because I think you'll find again that 99.999999999% of linux drivers will work fine on an Android setup .. |
| 13:53.19 | RST38h | they pretty much allowed every OEM to implement drivers the way they see fit |
| 13:53.30 | Venemo | alterego, http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html |
| 13:53.33 | RST38h | not necessarily the way linux requires you to implement well behaved drivers |
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| 13:57.17 | javispedro | moo. |
| 13:57.40 | Venemo | javispedro, moo to you too |
| 13:57.45 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
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| 13:59.13 | MohammadAG | moo javispedro |
| 14:00.38 | javispedro | looks at his "stuff to try on harmattan" and yawns |
| 14:02.00 | fiferboy | javispedro: Did you get anywhere with fmrx? |
| 14:02.09 | Venemo | morning fiferboy :) |
| 14:02.21 | fiferboy | Hi Venemo |
| 14:02.44 | fiferboy | I ended up with a really ugly workaround to use different nameroles in WorkingSelectionDialog :( |
| 14:03.45 | Venemo | fiferboy, what was it that you didn't like in my original one? |
| 14:04.13 | fiferboy | Venemo, I just had a model that I wanted to display a role other than "name" |
| 14:04.20 | fiferboy | ("location" in this instance) |
| 14:05.02 | Venemo | mhmm |
| 14:05.29 | fiferboy | Venemo: I was hoping I could add a property to specify which role to use, but I couldn't get that working |
| 14:05.46 | fiferboy | So I added a bool property which when it is turned on uses location :( |
| 14:05.52 | Venemo | meh! |
| 14:06.07 | Venemo | well |
| 14:06.24 | Venemo | I don't know how to do it property either |
| 14:06.38 | fiferboy | I didn't find any info on it on the web either, imagine that |
| 14:06.57 | javispedro | fiferboy: at this point I think fmrx will also not work on the n950. |
| 14:07.01 | javispedro | will be happy to be proven wrong |
| 14:07.05 | javispedro | preferably with an schematic :) |
| 14:07.15 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: :D |
| 14:16.38 | Venemo | javispedro, what a waste of hardware :( |
| 14:18.11 | mgedmin | interesting fbreader bug: in fullscreen press g, choose a page number, press enter |
| 14:18.20 | mgedmin | the new page is drawn on top of the existing page without clearing it first |
| 14:45.47 | alterego | Maybe we could mod on an aerial, has anyone else noticed an N950 antenna gate issue? |
| 14:46.38 | alterego | I think I might try modding the back plate with some insulation o .. |
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| 14:47.12 | fiferboy | alterego: Are you talking about GSM reception? |
| 14:48.11 | alterego | fif yeah :/ |
| 14:48.25 | fiferboy | *Apparently* that is fixed in the next firmware |
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| 14:49.22 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: have you read http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28935&postcount=14 ? |
| 14:50.01 | ajalkane | I'd like to have the next firmware already. |
| 14:50.25 | ajalkane | I'm impatient like that. |
| 14:54.53 | javispedro | someone leak the rm680 schematic :) |
| 14:56.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: past tense, question, or inperative? |
| 14:57.03 | mgedmin | I got a replacement N950 today |
| 14:57.07 | mgedmin | it had a different firmware |
| 14:57.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: well, I'd _like_ you to read it ;) |
| 14:57.16 | mgedmin | at first I was like *yay got new unreleased firmware by accident* |
| 14:57.19 | mgedmin | then I noticed it was worse |
| 14:57.23 | mgedmin | when I realized it was older :) |
| 14:57.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: if you have time that is, ofc. |
| 14:59.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: you alreeady killed one? |
| 14:59.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: (165447 <javispedro> someone leak the rm680 schematic :) |
| 14:59.52 | javispedro | ah |
| 14:59.58 | javispedro | that is an imperative |
| 15:00.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | was this a fact or a request? |
| 15:00.22 | javispedro | request :( |
| 15:01.36 | javispedro | there's a total of 5 McBSP ports in the chip, and afaiu only 3 or 4 used depending on how this sidetone stuff works |
| 15:01.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | yoh |
| 15:01.51 | javispedro | so potentially it could be connected somewhere |
| 15:02.13 | javispedro | but I'm not going to randomly bang everything until I break something |
| 15:02.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | sidetone is a brainf**k really |
| 15:03.11 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51, hardware fault (mmc broke down) |
| 15:03.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | you know what sidetone actually is? |
| 15:04.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: :-S |
| 15:04.08 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: only read a few lines about it, and know that #3 mcbsp participates in the link |
| 15:04.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | sidetone is a feedback from mic to earpiece |
| 15:04.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | so you hear own voice in calls |
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| 15:07.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: btw, http://www.datasheetarchive.com/indexdl/Datasheet-082/DASF0044888.pdf |
| 15:07.22 | javispedro | seems to be part of the wl127x datasheet |
| 15:07.36 | javispedro | it has pinout and a few electric details |
| 15:07.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | cool |
| 15:08.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | can you send me a mail with the url please |
| 15:08.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: are you at home already? |
| 15:08.52 | javispedro | wouldn't like to bother you |
| 15:10.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | if I were at home I 'd copy the datasheet to my local cache ;-) |
| 15:11.56 | Venemo | fiferboy, how do you know about next firmware? |
| 15:19.56 | hiemanshu | finally my N950 flashed, looks like one of the mirrors has a wrong file |
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| 15:25.35 | fiferboy | Venemo: I know nothing for sure, but someone had mentioned the poor GSM reception and someone else "confirmed" the issue is fixed in firmware |
| 15:25.50 | Venemo | fiferboy, NICE :) |
| 15:25.53 | fiferboy | Take it with a grain of salt, since I don't remember the source :/ |
| 15:26.01 | Venemo | I WANT the new firmware. |
| 15:26.20 | hiemanshu | Venemo: new firmware? |
| 15:26.24 | fiferboy | Yeah, new firmware is completely overdue |
| 15:26.48 | trx | aegis free hopefully? |
| 15:27.08 | hiemanshu | naah, nothing good will ever happen to it |
| 15:27.32 | hiemanshu | with aegis Nokia wants to drive away devs and with no release in major countries, Consumber |
| 15:27.35 | hiemanshu | Consumer* |
| 15:29.22 | special | hmm, there is no twitter client in the lastest N950 image, right? |
| 15:29.54 | hiemanshu | the one we have no, the latest IIRC there is one |
| 15:30.21 | special | yeah, i've seen quimgil using "Tweet for Nokia N9" |
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| 15:30.33 | special | wanted to make sure I wasn't missing it somehow |
| 15:31.02 | hiemanshu | N9 is different, it has twitter already, and he has access to internal images as well |
| 15:31.30 | special | yeah. |
| 15:31.40 | Mek | (internal n950 images also include twitter etc) |
| 15:32.28 | mgedmin | so, I hear final firmware isn't going to have a flash plugin in the browser either |
| 15:33.09 | SpeedEvil | I would like to say I don't believe nokia would do that. |
| 15:33.10 | fiferboy | I can't believe nobody has leaked firmware images yet |
| 15:33.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: no release in major countries? FUD? |
| 15:33.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | fiferboy: they are probably "dongled" to R+D devices |
| 15:34.27 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: no US/UK release, and no .nl as well |
| 15:34.44 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer51: Or need a special flashing jig? :) |
| 15:35.43 | Elleo | hiemanshu: it is available in the UK through lots of third party retailers, just not direct from Nokia (and presumably no subsidised versions from varriers) |
| 15:35.47 | Elleo | carriers* |
| 15:36.46 | SpeedEvil | steals Elleos time machine. |
| 15:37.02 | Elleo | err, yeah "available to pre-order" is what I should have said |
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| 15:46.04 | hardaker | we need a list of people that have g+ accounts. (gasp) |
| 15:47.02 | Tronic | speaking of which, any g+ apps for harmattan yet? |
| 15:47.40 | growlhero | thought I could share what I heard at work today. A Nokia representative came in to talk to us about the N9, which is still on schedule to be released in Sweden on September 23. Apparently, Nokia is working with Spotify to have a Spotify client released along with the N9, with integration of the social aspects of spotify aswell. |
| 15:48.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: there's been a long lasting rant about no selling in US/UK/DE/$random-countries, based on those countries not showing up in the sales start date list |
| 15:48.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | that however was based on the webshops closing in those countries |
| 15:49.17 | hardaker | Tronic: no, though the web page works ok. |
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| 16:02.09 | RST38h | back |
| 16:02.34 | tomma | growlhero, there is spotify client in harmattan repo |
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| 16:03.55 | tomma | well doesn't seem to be anymore |
| 16:04.09 | growlhero | tomma, oh I didn't know that, was it qspot or the real deal? |
| 16:04.25 | growlhero | 'cause I read about qspot |
| 16:04.31 | tomma | at some point there was package named spotify but it had depency to qt versions which was unpublished |
| 16:04.55 | growlhero | oh looks like he was telling the truth then |
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| 16:05.13 | tomma | it was shown by $pkgmgr list-available |
| 16:05.21 | tomma | but apparently it is removed now |
| 16:06.21 | GAN900 | Does Ovi Store crash most of the time for anybody else? |
| 16:06.33 | tomma | yes it does =) |
| 16:06.45 | Venemo | GAN900, yep |
| 16:07.14 | tomma | it seems to crash more less if you wait a while after every action |
| 16:09.48 | hardaker | what's the equivelent of exit() in qml? |
| 16:09.53 | hardaker | I know i saw it somewhere |
| 16:10.00 | mgedmin | why can't I ssh user@my-n950? it worked before I restored a backup and rebooted! |
| 16:10.01 | Venemo | hardaker, Qt.quit() |
| 16:10.03 | Venemo | or similar |
| 16:10.06 | hardaker | thanks. |
| 16:10.16 | mgedmin | I've checked /etc/passwd, I've checked ownership and permissions of /home/user/authorized_keys ... |
| 16:10.35 | mgedmin | wait, I didn't check the permissions of /home/user |
| 16:10.36 | hardaker | mgedmin: it probably wiped out your .ssh directory? Or reset /etc/sshd/sshd_config to turn off auth keys |
| 16:10.39 | mgedmin | 777, wtf? |
| 16:10.45 | javispedro | mgedmin: I suggest running stop ssh and /usr/bin/sshd -d -d -d |
| 16:10.51 | javispedro | then try to connect |
| 16:10.52 | ajalkane | i have only ssh'd as developer |
| 16:11.13 | javispedro | it will show why it refuses auth |
| 16:11.46 | mgedmin | chmod 700 /home/user fixes it |
| 16:11.56 | mgedmin | why did the restore app change permissions of /home/user? |
| 16:12.07 | RzR | Venemo: pong |
| 16:12.29 | Venemo | RzR, do you feel like doing some packaging for me? |
| 16:12.39 | RzR | you can ask |
| 16:12.43 | RzR | and i can ignore you :) |
| 16:13.06 | Venemo | well, I can do packaging by myself, but I know that you have that nice repo of yours |
| 16:13.17 | Venemo | my app will be ready for a v0.1 release tomorrow |
| 16:13.19 | RzR | let me add you to the team |
| 16:13.28 | Venemo | and I thought you might want to package it |
| 16:13.28 | RzR | what is ur id ? |
| 16:13.29 | tomma | why cant you do packaking? |
| 16:13.31 | mgedmin | irc! |
| 16:14.09 | Venemo | RzR, id? |
| 16:14.34 | RzR | on obs |
| 16:14.43 | Venemo | dunno |
| 16:14.51 | Venemo | I think I have access to it, but I've never ever tried it. |
| 16:15.08 | RzR | anyway what is your app ? irc ? |
| 16:15.26 | RzR | I tried to build it already but it needs some fixes |
| 16:15.29 | Venemo | it is an IRC client, yes. |
| 16:15.38 | Venemo | and I'm up to fixing them |
| 16:15.53 | Venemo | which fixes are you thinking about? |
| 16:16.04 | RzR | minor packaging stuff |
| 16:16.14 | Venemo | well, it has no packaging at all |
| 16:16.20 | RzR | are you storring settings in a config file ? |
| 16:16.39 | RzR | yes i know, I just started to package it and gave up |
| 16:16.45 | ajalkane | nice to get a real irc client. Using ssh is kinda annoying for ircing, with the connection cutting when changes between 3g and wifi |
| 16:17.01 | Venemo | RzR, gave up why? |
| 16:17.03 | RzR | ajalkane: install tmux autossh :) |
| 16:17.17 | RzR | Venemo: I wanted to keep some work for now :) |
| 16:17.33 | ajalkane | RzR: oh, thx for the tip |
| 16:17.34 | RzR | Venemo: so you are near to release it ? |
| 16:18.05 | Venemo | RzR, yes. |
| 16:18.11 | Venemo | RzR, there are some easyfixes |
| 16:18.18 | Venemo | and one nasty bug |
| 16:18.50 | RzR | Venemo: arent you using https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libircclient-qt&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan ? |
| 16:19.06 | Venemo | RzR, I'm using libircclient-qt from your repo |
| 16:19.12 | RzR | ok |
| 16:19.30 | Venemo | RzR, I've downloaded from http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/ |
| 16:19.49 | RzR | tell me when u think you wont commit anymore today |
| 16:19.55 | RzR | i'll have a look at it |
| 16:20.48 | alterego | Hrm, how do you make a plain harmattan QML app portrait? |
| 16:21.26 | Venemo | alterego, PageStackWindow can handle portrait |
| 16:21.34 | fiferboy | alterego: Plain as in no components? |
| 16:21.40 | alterego | fiferboy: exactly |
| 16:21.44 | fiferboy | Qt Components, that is |
| 16:21.45 | RzR | Venemo: check for libqxmppclient |
| 16:21.47 | fiferboy | So mo pageStack |
| 16:21.52 | alterego | Exactly. |
| 16:21.52 | Venemo | RzR, what's that? |
| 16:21.57 | RzR | Venemo: that one should be good to support to |
| 16:22.00 | RzR | too |
| 16:22.04 | fiferboy | In your main.cpp you can lock orientation, is that what you want? |
| 16:22.13 | alterego | Yeah, guess I'll do that. |
| 16:22.14 | RzR | Venemo: a xmpp/jabber lib |
| 16:22.16 | fiferboy | Or do you want it to rotate based on orientation? |
| 16:22.25 | alterego | I want to lock to portrait |
| 16:22.27 | Venemo | RzR, I'm currently just looking for IRC |
| 16:22.56 | RzR | Venemo: i know but i may be the same beast , keep it for xmpp-chatter :) |
| 16:23.03 | alterego | fiferboy: same syntax as fremantle? |
| 16:23.07 | Venemo | RzR, I don't have time/resources to deal with other protocols, but I'll accept the code if someome implements it |
| 16:23.11 | RzR | Venemo: and you'll merge it all in im-chatter :) |
| 16:23.15 | alterego | Ah, found something |
| 16:23.18 | fiferboy | alterego: I believe so |
| 16:23.19 | RST38h | Ok, gentlemen, I think I have got this QML stuff to workdecently and even simulated Qt dialogs with it |
| 16:23.19 | alterego | fiferboy: thanks for the pointer. |
| 16:23.23 | RST38h | (API-wise) |
| 16:23.40 | javispedro | RST38h: so you have a thousand lines of code monster that takes a minute to parse? :) |
| 16:23.43 | fiferboy | alterego: No problem |
| 16:23.55 | mgedmin | incidentally, how do I tell the window manager that my app is in portrait mode? |
| 16:24.14 | mgedmin | (the app is fbreader and it implements rotation manually; task switcher still thinks it's in landscape) |
| 16:24.45 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Probably the same way alterego found to pin his app to portrait |
| 16:25.06 | RST38h | javispedro: does tke 3-5 seconds ;( |
| 16:25.14 | RST38h | not a monster though, just 600+ lines |
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| 16:25.22 | javispedro | mgedmin: _MEEGOTOUCH_ORIENTATION_ANGLE(CARDINAL) = 270 |
| 16:25.37 | javispedro | mgedmin: add that property to your app's root window |
| 16:26.04 | mgedmin | thanks, javispedro! |
| 16:26.22 | mgedmin | adds "learn how you add and remove X window properties from Qt" to his todo list |
| 16:26.38 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:27.10 | javispedro | mgedmin: summeli had code around for qt: http://www.summeli.fi/?p=2669 |
| 16:27.18 | javispedro | not the same property but you get the idea |
| 16:27.41 | mgedmin | thanks again! |
| 16:29.02 | javispedro | you should thank god fbreader implements its own rotation |
| 16:29.08 | javispedro | there's no other way to do rotation on harmattan. |
| 16:29.29 | mgedmin | oh? the compositor doesn't do anything, it's always left up to the app itself? |
| 16:29.31 | RST38h | hehe |
| 16:29.32 | javispedro | yep |
| 16:29.51 | mgedmin | ooh, pet peeve: when you swipe from an app to the task switcher |
| 16:30.03 | mgedmin | there's a noticeable pause before the app thumbnail gets updated |
| 16:30.14 | RST38h | yea, but does not disturb me |
| 16:30.26 | mgedmin | it DESTROYS THE UX SMOOTHNESS |
| 16:30.29 | RST38h | it is shutting down / recreating gles context there |
| 16:30.36 | javispedro | uh? |
| 16:30.36 | mgedmin | like fingernails on a blackboard |
| 16:30.41 | mgedmin | in fact I'd rather listen to the fingernails |
| 16:30.44 | alterego | fiferboy: unfortunately that doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 16:30.56 | fiferboy | alterego: Which method did you try? |
| 16:31.02 | javispedro | actually I thought the delay was a MTF thing |
| 16:31.09 | alterego | The setProperty one on the main window |
| 16:31.23 | RST38h | look at the debug messages fromxterm |
| 16:31.27 | Venemo_N950 | hey |
| 16:31.27 | RST38h | you will see |
| 16:31.28 | alterego | Ah, think I might be getting somewhere now .. |
| 16:31.59 | javispedro | RST38h: "xterm"? |
| 16:33.07 | javispedro | it is a MTF or QML issue |
| 16:33.09 | RST38h | ok an ssh session |
| 16:33.14 | RST38h | not qml |
| 16:33.18 | javispedro | using my SDL the tumbnail keeps refreshing |
| 16:33.27 | RST38h | hmm |
| 16:33.45 | javispedro | I don't know why they'd recreate the EGL context for. |
| 16:33.49 | javispedro | other than waste time.. |
| 16:33.53 | javispedro | oh |
| 16:34.07 | Venemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.19 | mgedmin | javispedro, AFAIU there's no EGL when your app is thumbnailed; it's all 2D |
| 16:34.31 | mgedmin | well, replace "AFAIU" with "someone told me on IRC" |
| 16:34.32 | javispedro | well |
| 16:34.50 | fiferboy | mgedmin: That's where I get all my information :) |
| 16:34.50 | RST38h | it gets deleted on minimization |
| 16:34.54 | tomma | it is to safe memory |
| 16:34.54 | w00t_ | holding a GL context locks allocates and ~8mb of RAM |
| 16:34.55 | mgedmin | you can see "MeeGo graphics system destroyed" when an app is minimized |
| 16:35.11 | w00t_ | multiply 8mb by the number of open apps (plus 1-2 for mhome etc) |
| 16:35.14 | w00t_ | that's why it's not held ;) |
| 16:35.24 | javispedro | w00t_: ok, makes sense |
| 16:35.24 | w00t_ | *allocates and locks |
| 16:35.38 | javispedro | so they switch to swraster when thumbnailed |
| 16:35.45 | javispedro | that's why fonts sometimes looks funny when thumbnailed |
| 16:35.49 | javispedro | *look |
| 16:35.59 | w00t_ | yes, GL and raster aren't pixel to pixel the same |
| 16:40.19 | alterego | Jaffa: ping |
| 16:41.22 | fiferboy | alterego: Good idea, Jaffa has done this :) |
| 16:41.38 | alterego | fiferboy: :) |
| 16:43.40 | lcuk | w00t_, \00 |
| 16:43.43 | fiferboy | alterego: You could just look at his code |
| 16:43.51 | fiferboy | alterego: Search for "attitude" in gitorious |
| 16:44.02 | alterego | fiferboy: I would, if I knew what project ;) |
| 16:44.20 | w00t_ | o/ |
| 16:44.36 | fiferboy | alterego: http://gitorious.org/attitude |
| 16:44.47 | alterego | Hrm, I was wondering if it was that one .. |
| 16:45.14 | Venemo | has anyone managed to debug on the device? |
| 16:45.30 | w00t_ | Venemo: debug how? |
| 16:45.47 | RST38h | I have |
| 16:45.51 | RST38h | gdb etc |
| 16:45.51 | Venemo | w00t_, you know, getting line numbers for crashes and stuff |
| 16:45.56 | mgedmin | raises hand |
| 16:46.08 | RST38h | still cannot figure out how to get coredumps though |
| 16:46.12 | mgedmin | the sdk repo has a bunch of -dbg packages that give you libQt* debug symbols for your line numbers etc. |
| 16:46.18 | Venemo | Qt creator tells me it can't find the gdb |
| 16:46.28 | Venemo | and indeed, it is looking in a place where it isn't |
| 16:46.28 | w00t_ | should work, with debug packages installed ..oh, I've not tried using the sdk |
| 16:46.30 | mgedmin | RST38h, did you try ulimit -c none before launching your app in the same shell? |
| 16:46.30 | RST38h | what qt creator? |
| 16:46.40 | Venemo | w00t_, how do you do it then? |
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| 16:46.44 | w00t_ | ssh |
| 16:46.47 | RST38h | you asked about debugging ON DEVICE,not with the buggy qt creator |
| 16:46.54 | mgedmin | oh, I haven't tried debugging with the Qt Creator |
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| 16:47.09 | RST38h | mgedmin: yea, but i still cannot find the core |
| 16:47.23 | mgedmin | RST38h, did you look in /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ ? |
| 16:47.23 | Venemo | w00t_, can you gimee instructions of how to get a line number when my app segfaults? |
| 16:47.31 | RST38h | mgedmin: empty |
| 16:47.35 | mgedmin | RST38h, :( |
| 16:47.40 | RST38h | ocassionally I see a core there but not my own =) |
| 16:47.57 | RST38h | it is ok I just run under gdb |
| 16:48.00 | Venemo_N950 | this poor app segfaults when it feels like... I want to cure it |
| 16:48.09 | Venemo | hm |
| 16:48.18 | w00t_ | Venemo: http://wiki.inspircd.org/Handling_Crashes_in_InspIRCd#Using_gdb |
| 16:48.29 | mgedmin | Venemo, have you tried 'gdb /path/to/your/binary'? |
| 16:48.38 | mgedmin | when you get a segfault and a (gdb) prompt, type 'bt' to get a backtrace |
| 16:48.48 | w00t_ | to start under gdb, gdb /path/to/binary, 'r' to run it |
| 16:48.49 | Venemo | mgedmin, inside Qt Creator? |
| 16:48.53 | mgedmin | if it doesn't contain filename + line number, make sure your build system doesn't strip debugging info |
| 16:49.00 | mgedmin | Venemo, no, over ssh on the n950 itself |
| 16:49.15 | Venemo | I'm not interested in having a debugger tool without an IDE |
| 16:49.22 | Venemo | there is no point in that. |
| 16:49.22 | mgedmin | fair enough |
| 16:49.34 | RST38h | -g, can be used together with -O2 actually |
| 16:49.45 | mgedmin | your "can you gimee instructions of how to get a line number when my app segfaults?" was misleading then |
| 16:50.01 | Venemo | well |
| 16:50.05 | Venemo | I could try I guess |
| 16:50.11 | mgedmin | let me try Qt Creator -- it could run apps fine, I just haven't tried debugging them |
| 16:50.16 | Venemo | but it'd be inconvenient still. |
| 16:50.23 | w00t_ | RST38h: without line numbers, and often without enough information due to optimisations/macros/etc |
| 16:50.46 | Venemo | my guess is that the nightly of Qt Creator I'm using is messing up. |
| 16:51.09 | RST38h | w00t: with line numbers but without enough information at some spotsin the code |
| 16:51.37 | RST38h | w00t: i.e. it will still show where you have crashed (including source) but you won't always be able to step line by line |
| 16:53.31 | RST38h | last news item at meego.com site is dated May 12th |
| 16:53.42 | RST38h | sorry,19th |
| 16:54.12 | mgedmin | hm, I got an error from qt creator |
| 16:54.18 | mgedmin | something about gdb server closing unexpectedly |
| 16:55.09 | javispedro | ponders how to do vsynced 2D |
| 16:55.09 | fiferboy | mgedmin: You need to debug gdb |
| 16:55.22 | mgedmin | oh hey I can't launch the app either |
| 16:55.47 | mgedmin | "chmod: /opt/QMLCompass/bin/QMLCompass: Operation not permitted" and "sh: source: line 15: can't open '/home/developer/.ashrc'" |
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| 16:58.17 | RST38h | javis: cant |
| 16:58.44 | RST38h | javis: furthermore, I still can't find a way to get direct access to the display (other than fb0 or GLES) |
| 16:58.49 | javispedro | that's why I am pondering. |
| 16:59.04 | javispedro | there's this DRI2 extension that looks promising and is the way the GLES driver does it |
| 16:59.19 | javispedro | it has the common methods you'd want: GetBuffer and SwapBuffers |
| 16:59.26 | RST38h | javispedro: Maybe we should just draw through a GLES texture? |
| 16:59.35 | RST38h | Ah, sounds good |
| 16:59.41 | javispedro | BUT GetBuffer returns some string identifier I am supposed to lookup somewhere to get the pointer |
| 16:59.48 | RST38h | oh |
| 17:00.02 | javispedro | glTexImage is awfully slow |
| 17:00.06 | javispedro | glSubTexImage is slightly faster |
| 17:00.20 | Jaffa | alterego: fiferboy: pong? |
| 17:00.38 | javispedro | SGX has a BufferClass stuff to upload textures "the fast way" (designed for textured video, etc), but it requires a kernel module |
| 17:01.07 | fiferboy | Jaffa: attitude is pure QML? Or does it use a pageStack for orientation? |
| 17:01.18 | javispedro | (which we do not have.. and also we would have problems with "sharing" it) |
| 17:01.58 | Jaffa | fiferboy: It's pure QML now. |
| 17:02.16 | Jaffa | fiferboy: I couldn't get it to stick to landscape using PageStackWindow when the keyboard was open or in the task navigator |
| 17:02.37 | fiferboy | Jaffa: So how do you handle rotation lock now? Or do you? |
| 17:02.47 | javispedro | glSubTexImage does work if you can stand the fact it uses some of your CPU time (not that you are going to bechmark if you want to vsync though) |
| 17:03.21 | Jaffa | fiferboy: Pure QML doesn't rotate. I *think* I might rotate my root object by 90 deg |
| 17:03.38 | javispedro | hm |
| 17:03.41 | javispedro | ponders how Qt does it |
| 17:03.54 | mgedmin | ok, qt creator run problem fixed |
| 17:03.56 | mgedmin | what sillyness! |
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| 17:04.12 | mgedmin | so I create a /home/user/.ashrc, and modify /home/user/.profile to source $HOME/.ashrc |
| 17:04.12 | javispedro | but they probably only upload small textures and do composition using gl |
| 17:04.32 | mgedmin | and sdk-connectivity-tool creates a /home/developer/.profile that sources /home/user/.profile with HOME set to /home/developer obviously |
| 17:04.36 | fiferboy | Jaffa: So with a pure QML app it stays in the same orientation in the task switch, when the keyboard is open, and regardless of the device oreintation? |
| 17:04.44 | mgedmin | and it fails to source /home/developer/.ashrc, which aborts everything |
| 17:05.20 | RST38h | javispedro; qt does it very slowly |
| 17:06.35 | lcuk | javispedro, how many fps are you seeing? |
| 17:06.48 | javispedro | which method? =) |
| 17:06.51 | lcuk | notices some things averaging over 60fps which is nice |
| 17:06.55 | lcuk | any |
| 17:06.59 | javispedro | more than 400fps |
| 17:07.01 | javispedro | =) |
| 17:07.01 | lcuk | just discussion since you mentioned vsync |
| 17:07.11 | lcuk | that is nearly over 9000 |
| 17:07.18 | javispedro | the issue is not speed for me, but rather chewing cpu time |
| 17:07.29 | lcuk | what are you using the cpu time for? |
| 17:07.31 | mgedmin | ok, Qt Creator debugging works for me |
| 17:07.34 | javispedro | obviously I do not want speed, all of the system is synced to 60fps |
| 17:07.38 | mgedmin | of course, in a QML app there's nothing to debug... |
| 17:07.40 | lcuk | you are meant to leave that idle for qml purposes :P |
| 17:08.04 | RST38h | will throw up when he hears "qml" once again |
| 17:08.59 | w00t_ | qml ;) |
| 17:09.10 | RST38h | throws up all over w00t |
| 17:10.53 | frals | QML is awesome! ;) |
| 17:11.29 | mgedmin | can someone design a QML mug similar to http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 ? |
| 17:11.36 | javispedro | either way the DRI2 stuff looks quite nice and I am seeing the implementation and it even has accelerated bitblt using PVR2D (so I could map it to SDL's HW_SURFACE for extra fun), but have no idea how to actually get the buffers =) |
| 17:13.06 | lcuk | mgedmin, (tongue_in_cheek) your qml cup would need a large capacity and would take a while before you can drink the contents :P |
| 17:13.18 | RST38h | mgedmin: someone can, but you won't be able to lift it =) |
| 17:13.32 | javispedro | mgedmin: I hope the overflow: visible; property is intentional on that mug ;) |
| 17:13.37 | RST38h | javispedro: I would also like to know =) |
| 17:14.11 | Venemo | hm |
| 17:14.12 | Venemo | IRC is interesting |
| 17:14.14 | Venemo | if I paste a bunch of lines to Venemo_N950, he gets them all a bit late |
| 17:14.42 | javispedro | X-Chat does output buffering to avoid the robot operators banning you due to DDoSing the channel |
| 17:16.15 | Venemo | this is not XChat |
| 17:16.19 | Venemo | this is my own IRC client |
| 17:16.42 | Venemo | Venemo_N950 uses IRC Chatter, and I (as Venemo), use Konversation |
| 17:17.19 | RST38h | This is called "lag", Venemo |
| 17:17.43 | Venemo | yeah, but when I paste 20 lines, it takes ~20 seconds to get them |
| 17:17.53 | RST38h | (and it is actually amusing how new users do not know about it) |
| 17:18.07 | RST38h | Venemo: longer lag times have been known to happen |
| 17:18.26 | GAN900 | IRC, the asychronous real time communication protocol! |
| 17:18.37 | Venemo | hm |
| 17:18.58 | SpeedEvil | watches as GAN900 splits in half. |
| 17:18.59 | javispedro | thinks there's some throttle at work |
| 17:19.13 | javispedro | if it's not X-Chat's then it'll be someone else's :) |
| 17:19.30 | npm | frals: QML is cool but has some non-awesome issues: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-variant.html |
| 17:20.35 | npm | which i get to avoid entirely in http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ |
| 17:21.48 | npm | i bet i can write an highly functional app in less code in qtzibit than in QML (and then use qml for the parts that it's good for) |
| 17:23.42 | npm | ( http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qtzibit_0_1_0_armel.deb ) |
| 17:26.58 | javispedro | oh, I think I'm supposed to use PVR2DMemMap |
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| 17:35.17 | alterego | Jaffa: I did that, but the display gets offset so you can only see half of the UI |
| 17:35.21 | alterego | :/ |
| 17:35.26 | Jaffa | fiferboy: Correct. It's the components which do the rotation in Harmattan |
| 17:35.36 | alterego | I'm guessing it's rotating around the wrong centre. Still looking in to it. |
| 17:35.42 | javispedro | alterego: is yours a pure Qt app? |
| 17:35.52 | alterego | javispedro: yeah |
| 17:35.56 | javispedro | so you're boned :) |
| 17:36.03 | Jaffa | alterego: I'll try and check tonight that latest Attitude code is in gitorious. It's now working like I want it to on Harmattan |
| 17:36.19 | alterego | Well, I want portrait, not landscape |
| 17:36.45 | Jaffa | OK |
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| 17:37.06 | javispedro | alterego: you need to actually render your stuff rotated |
| 17:37.10 | javispedro | 270º |
| 17:37.19 | alterego | mine already locks to landscape, that's the annoyance. |
| 17:37.33 | javispedro | in pure qt there's no concept of locks |
| 17:37.36 | Jaffa | sleeps now on train |
| 17:38.11 | javispedro | alterego: the idea on Harmattan is that your app does all the orientation detection & locks logic THEN notifies the system which orientation it chose |
| 17:38.30 | javispedro | alterego: since a pure qt app never notifies the system, system UI appears in landscape |
| 17:38.40 | javispedro | (which is the default on the N950) |
| 17:38.54 | javispedro | it is very similar to how it works on a Pre actually =) only on a Pre the default is portrait |
| 17:39.26 | lcuk | i thought harmattan default was portait also? |
| 17:39.31 | javispedro | nah, it is landscape |
| 17:39.37 | lcuk | hm still? |
| 17:39.50 | javispedro | lcuk: you can easily check it, pure xlib app and request root window size |
| 17:39.54 | javispedro | it is 800x480 |
| 17:39.57 | javispedro | oer.. |
| 17:39.59 | javispedro | 854x480 |
| 17:40.10 | javispedro | (and not 480x854) |
| 17:40.15 | lcuk | sure |
| 17:40.33 | hiemanshu | well just run a plain qt app, only Landscape |
| 17:40.35 | lcuk | I am glad many apps on harmattan are not rotaty |
| 17:40.44 | javispedro | actually I would have preferred default portrait |
| 17:40.45 | lcuk | having to try and orient it is frustrating sometimes |
| 17:40.48 | javispedro | well not sure |
| 17:41.07 | javispedro | lcuk: that's why we need global orientation lock :) |
| 17:41.08 | lcuk | has key binding to decide orientation |
| 17:41.15 | RST38h | no |
| 17:41.19 | javispedro | which for the reasons I described above it might be slightly harder on Harmattan. |
| 17:41.26 | javispedro | s/slightly// ;) |
| 17:41.27 | RST38h | we need CPU load applet before we need the damn lock |
| 17:41.37 | javispedro | RST38h: didn't you heard the news? no applets in harmattan |
| 17:41.37 | RST38h | feels blind without the cpu load applet |
| 17:41.51 | RST38h | javispedro: ok, it is now called a status screen widget or something |
| 17:42.06 | RST38h | javispedro: or notification, whatever. it is an applet by all other means |
| 17:42.19 | javispedro | not sure... |
| 17:42.26 | RST38h | besides, you can still place icons into the status bar, can't you? |
| 17:42.53 | javispedro | but there was a complain here days ago that it was hardcoded to only accept a few plugins |
| 17:42.59 | javispedro | namely the stock ones |
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| 17:43.10 | javispedro | he filed a bug and it was quickly WONTFIX |
| 17:43.42 | javispedro | here it is |
| 17:43.49 | javispedro | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=339 |
| 17:44.30 | javispedro | that talks about the menu but I wouldn't be optimistic about the rest... |
| 17:44.42 | wmarone_ | wow |
| 17:44.43 | javispedro | considering its the same extension system |
| 17:44.50 | ajalkane | i |
| 17:45.05 | wmarone_ | did they even bother to read the bug? |
| 17:46.04 | javispedro | told him to make a fuss about this bug |
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| 17:46.21 | javispedro | cause I think it's quite lame "design" |
| 17:47.23 | javispedro | thinks it has to do with aegis' current rather coarse design which would mean such plugins would had more privileges than they deserve |
| 17:47.57 | RST38h | oh |
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| 17:50.33 | javispedro | there's a rather set of worrisome harmattan things like that one day I think we should sit down and discuss. |
| 17:51.44 | divan_ | did someone try to reset the phone using default Settings->Reset mechanism? Two people (including myself) confirm the phone won't boot after reset at all. |
| 17:53.43 | RST38h | javispedro: if there is still someone to discuss them with |
| 17:54.00 | javispedro | touché. |
| 17:54.36 | divan_ | trying to reflash... when I plug in USB into the phone, it's recognized as USB Storage. Anyone knows how to switch USB mode? Like pressing U on hw keyboard or something like this. |
| 17:55.16 | javispedro | leave flasher waiting for device and reboot the device. |
| 17:55.23 | javispedro | all with the cable plugged in |
| 17:55.32 | divan_ | javispedro, it's not booting at all now (after reset) |
| 17:55.45 | javispedro | hold power button to force shutdown |
| 17:56.03 | javispedro | for ~10 secs |
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| 17:57.35 | divan_ | javispedro, oh, yep it helped. So it was on after reset? Just with blank screen? Anyway, flasher started. |
| 17:57.51 | javispedro | which makes me think it was actually doing something =) |
| 17:57.54 | javispedro | like erasing =) |
| 17:58.15 | javispedro | maybe they should add a warning that the restore defaults opreation takes a while |
| 17:59.13 | divan_ | javispedro, well, when resetting begun, it was an label 'Clearing device' and after ~5 minutes it dissapeared. After that Nokia logo was shown for a couple of seconds and thats all - blank screen and no reaction on power key. |
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| 18:04.53 | divan_ | device refuses to boot even after quickflasher, hmm.... reflashing with standard one |
| 18:05.37 | hiemanshu | divan_: what is the md5sum of the standard one? (one of the mirror seems to out of sync, I had that issue too) |
| 18:05.46 | hiemanshu | (I am guessing you are on Linux) |
| 18:05.48 | Arkenoi | well, gtalk is there. skype and generic xmpp not yet at least. |
| 18:06.05 | javispedro | Arkenoi: xmpp will never be, unless we make our account provider |
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| 18:06.20 | javispedro | well, that's what I heard. |
| 18:07.04 | divan_ | hiemanshu, sec |
| 18:07.15 | SpeedEvil | 1c233f8ecf38b2debc1a77b6ca7fb104 Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
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| 18:07.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Usage |
| 18:07.25 | divan_ | hiemanshu, $ md5sum *bin |
| 18:07.25 | divan_ | 1c233f8ecf38b2debc1a77b6ca7fb104 Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 18:07.25 | divan_ | 482ce0b01cef4432d3565f5b1674600d Linux_Quick_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 18:07.50 | Arkenoi | wonders why "restore apps from backup" always failed for nokia phones, the last time i have seen it working was symbian s80 |
| 18:07.50 | hiemanshu | yeah, the 1c is the right one, I got a 88 something for another mirror, refused to work |
| 18:08.00 | divan_ | SpeedEvil, still no luck with ovi login? |
| 18:08.01 | hiemanshu | from* |
| 18:08.03 | Venemo | how can I make a TextArea component transparent |
| 18:08.09 | SpeedEvil | diva: no |
| 18:08.12 | alterego | javispedro: I would have prefered default portrait. |
| 18:08.18 | hiemanshu | what, ovi just worked for me, from the starting |
| 18:08.36 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: Not here. No idea why. |
| 18:08.41 | alterego | hiemanshu: maybe it updated automatically :P |
| 18:08.44 | javispedro | alterego: yeah, was going to say that but I am not so sure any longer; the default would be what all raw Xlib apps would use |
| 18:08.54 | javispedro | alterego: and OpenOffice suddenly popped on my mind |
| 18:09.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:09.13 | alterego | Good point |
| 18:09.16 | javispedro | see how it awful looks on a Pre |
| 18:09.22 | hiemanshu | javispedro: you have a mind? 0_0 |
| 18:09.23 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 18:09.28 | Venemo | alterego, do you know how I can make a QML TextArea component have a transparent background? |
| 18:09.29 | Arkenoi | wishes there will be DtG, OOo is disaster |
| 18:09.55 | hiemanshu | well if we can have kdelibs, we can probably have KWord |
| 18:10.02 | javispedro | ~chase hiemanshu |
| 18:10.02 | infobot | ACTION chases hiemanshu |
| 18:11.02 | Arkenoi | btw "developer edition" branding will go away by itself |
| 18:11.12 | Venemo | Arkenoi, how do you know? |
| 18:11.53 | javispedro | and what does "by itself" mean here? |
| 18:11.57 | alterego | Jaffa: got it working perfectly, turned out the transformOrigin wasn'ty set to Item.Center by default like it was for me under MeeGo CE |
| 18:11.58 | divan_ | Arkenoi, did you get new firmware? |
| 18:12.10 | alterego | Anyway, I now have a portrait plain QML app :) |
| 18:21.10 | javispedro | alterego: either way, is this columbus? why don't you use qgraphicsview or even mtf? |
| 18:21.24 | javispedro | I mean, you render most of the app on your own aiui. |
| 18:21.39 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.46 | alterego | Regardless, Columbus is now a set of QPainter drawn declarative items. |
| 18:22.53 | alterego | Layed out in a QML context. |
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| 18:36.14 | Venemo_N950 | hm |
| 18:40.33 | RST38h | Ok |
| 18:40.46 | RST38h | mgedmin: Here? |
| 18:42.27 | Venemo | heh |
| 18:42.50 | Venemo | how can I make a TextArea fill the Flickable it's in? |
| 18:43.37 | hiemanshu | Venemo: anchors.fill : parent.fill? |
| 18:43.47 | Venemo | hiemanshu, doesn't work. |
| 18:43.52 | fiferboy | Venemo: How could it fill a flickable it is in? Isn't your flickable height depend on the contents? |
| 18:44.05 | Venemo | fiferboy, yes |
| 18:44.22 | Venemo | fiferboy, and it looks ugly when the TextArea is only a few pixels high |
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| 18:44.49 | fiferboy | Venemo: Set a minimum height for the TextArea? |
| 18:44.51 | Venemo | fiferboy, so I want to either make its background transparent or make it fill the Flickable |
| 18:44.57 | Venemo | fiferboy, how do I set a minimum height? |
| 18:45.29 | fiferboy | Venemo: height: Math.min(200,implicitHeight) ? |
| 18:45.34 | fiferboy | Just guessing there |
| 18:45.50 | RST38h | Gentlemen, I am ready to supply you with some .debs. Anyone has a repo where I can upload them> |
| 18:45.54 | Venemo | fiferboy, ok, I'll try |
| 18:46.05 | hiemanshu | RST38h: ask rzr |
| 18:46.08 | Venemo | fiferboy, doesn't work. |
| 18:46.21 | RST38h | hiemanshu: no rzr |
| 18:46.26 | RST38h | Just someone with a repo |
| 18:47.17 | Venemo | fiferboy, but Math.max may work |
| 18:47.21 | fiferboy | Yes, |
| 18:47.24 | fiferboy | height: Math.max (200, implicitHeight) |
| 18:47.40 | fiferboy | (just read the documentation, surprised I was anywhere close TBH) |
| 18:47.40 | hiemanshu | RST38h: sheeplauncher.net? |
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| 18:47.51 | Venemo_N950 | hey! |
| 18:47.54 | fiferboy | rm_work: ping? |
| 18:48.01 | Venemo | RST38h, RzR is your man |
| 18:48.04 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: |
| 18:48.06 | hiemanshu | sup |
| 18:48.25 | RST38h | Venemo: Rzr will not accept binary packages, and he appears to be using COBS infrastructure anyway |
| 18:48.29 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N950: did you pull in my patch for /join and such yet? |
| 18:48.31 | RST38h | Venemo: So, no rzr |
| 18:48.52 | Venemo | RST38h, what package is it you have that is binary-only |
| 18:48.59 | RST38h | Venemo: some emulators |
| 18:49.04 | Venemo_N950 | aaah |
| 18:49.22 | fiferboy | RST38h: rm_you/rm_work has sheeplauncher.net which isn't tied to OBS AFAICT |
| 18:49.32 | RST38h | aha |
| 18:49.41 | RST38h | will have to catch Adam then |
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| 18:55.02 | Venemo | fiferboy, a Math.max expression did it! |
| 18:55.37 | fiferboy | Venemo: Excellent |
| 18:57.22 | RzR | RST38h: question for me ? |
| 18:57.38 | RST38h | no |
| 18:57.40 | RzR | RST38h: sorry no binaries blop |
| 18:57.44 | RzR | blob |
| 18:59.12 | RzR | we could setup a side repo, but this may cause security issues |
| 19:02.05 | RST38h | "It's taken Microsoft 10 years to turn security from a weakness into a strength. Apple can use the lessons learned by Microsoft to manage a quick turnaround." |
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| 19:02.37 | RST38h | that is what is called "a false premise"... |
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| 19:06.33 | RzR | well i have no lawyers fighting for me |
| 19:06.43 | RzR | apple or ms have |
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| 19:07.17 | RST38h | RzR: I have not been talking about you |
| 19:07.35 | RST38h | It was about Microsoft's "security" |
| 19:11.05 | javispedro | apple doesn't care |
| 19:11.15 | crevetor | WTF : att_bars=false in the csd invocation. Maybe there's a special at&t mode |
| 19:11.16 | javispedro | if it even eventually becomes a problem they'll just put ios on the desktop |
| 19:11.38 | javispedro | they are already doing that... |
| 19:11.40 | RzR | who cares |
| 19:12.03 | crevetor | Me |
| 19:12.39 | javispedro | crevetor: more bars in more places! |
| 19:13.31 | crevetor | Exactly what I was thinking |
| 19:14.07 | crevetor | Maybe they have a deal with phone vendors to have a different "bar algorithm" |
| 19:14.32 | javispedro | now go and tell the world about this hidden conspiracy |
| 19:15.04 | crevetor | Yes ! |
| 19:15.12 | javispedro | (I actually could believe it, though) |
| 19:15.16 | crevetor | me too |
| 19:28.54 | RST38h | AT&T bars are probably always stuck at "full" |
| 19:29.11 | rm_work | RST38h / fiferboy: yo |
| 19:29.20 | rm_work | RST38h: you need debs up? i can do that |
| 19:29.54 | rm_work | is it a question of arguable legality, or is it a question of OBS hating you? :P |
| 19:30.13 | alterego | RzR: where's your repo? |
| 19:30.46 | rm_work | whoops forgot to refresh packrat for a bit |
| 19:30.50 | rm_work | seriously need to fix that |
| 19:31.03 | rm_work | maybe I will move packrat to sheeplauncher and just put a redirect |
| 19:31.28 | RST38h | rm_work: Where should I send them? |
| 19:31.48 | RST38h | (and yes, moving packrat to sheeplauncher is fine. also I will try fixing the code in the next couple of weeks) |
| 19:31.55 | rm_work | RST38h: dropbox them somewhere or email them to me, i don't have any FTP set up yet unfortunately :( |
| 19:32.02 | rm_work | RST38h: k |
| 19:32.05 | RST38h | address? |
| 19:32.09 | rm_work | yeah cause on the other hosting i can't make cron scripts |
| 19:32.15 | rm_work | how big are they? |
| 19:32.34 | RST38h | ~3.5MB total |
| 19:32.46 | RST38h | but I probably do not want you to put the ati85 one just yet (got ROMs) |
| 19:33.30 | rm_work | lol |
| 19:33.47 | RST38h | aha |
| 19:35.34 | RST38h | done |
| 19:39.58 | rm_work | RST38h: uploaded, and updated packrat |
| 19:40.03 | rm_work | should show up there |
| 19:40.06 | rm_work | test? |
| 19:40.44 | RST38h | rm_work: also just sent you ati85 package, slightly castrated |
| 19:41.01 | rm_work | lol |
| 19:41.05 | rm_work | k |
| 19:41.12 | RST38h | yep, it is there. adding to sources |
| 19:41.13 | Arkenoi | forgot a link to instruction how to enable landscape mode everywhere, could you please remind? |
| 19:41.16 | RzR | alterego: http://rzr.online.fr/q/harmattan |
| 19:41.57 | rm_work | RST38h: that sucks tho :( is there a point to using it without the roms? |
| 19:42.04 | rm_work | does it even DO anything without a rom? |
| 19:42.23 | RST38h | rm_work: 85,86,82 will work |
| 19:42.24 | RzR | what emulator are you working on ? i am also on that topic |
| 19:42.33 | rm_work | k |
| 19:42.47 | RST38h | rm_work: these are no longer produced or sold by ti. if you get a dmca letter, I would be surprised |
| 19:43.03 | RST38h | rm_work: the rest are sold or made in some form, not going to include them |
| 19:43.03 | rm_work | heh |
| 19:43.06 | rm_work | k |
| 19:43.09 | rm_work | well, uploaded |
| 19:43.17 | rm_work | and refreshed PR |
| 19:43.43 | rm_work | it is annoying having them on seperate servers anyway >_< |
| 19:44.02 | RST38h | happy to see that the little packrat engine still can, after all this time |
| 19:44.08 | rm_work | ageofikon was basic webhosting i used for my wikis for various things :P |
| 19:44.19 | rm_work | sheeplauncher is a VM i have root on |
| 19:44.24 | rm_work | so yeah, big difference |
| 19:44.28 | RST38h | With the minimal fanfare and no red tape |
| 19:44.41 | RST38h | Isn't VM going to degrade performance? |
| 19:44.45 | rm_work | i had to compile static binaries for anything i want to run on ageofikon |
| 19:44.51 | rm_work | no :/ |
| 19:44.51 | RST38h | or are they optimized for web serving nowadays? |
| 19:44.59 | rm_work | 90% of the internet is on VMs nowadays |
| 19:45.07 | rm_work | ok maybe not |
| 19:45.11 | rm_work | but like, a lot of it :P |
| 19:45.38 | RST38h | weird times |
| 19:46.02 | RST38h | Ok, apt-get seems to work, so I can go to vacation at peace this Sunday |
| 19:46.07 | rm_work | :P |
| 19:46.22 | rm_work | if you need anything else on there, just email |
| 19:46.32 | rm_work | you could tell other people the same as well |
| 19:46.57 | rm_work | if anyone else is seriously struggling with OBS |
| 19:47.08 | RST38h | rm_work: there is that, and then there is red tape |
| 19:47.22 | RST38h | rm_work: Linux Foundation refused to host an extras-like repo |
| 19:48.46 | Arkenoi | aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec |
| 19:48.46 | Arkenoi | Error: Permission denied |
| 19:48.49 | Arkenoi | wtf? |
| 19:48.51 | RST38h | still, some of my packages will go to cobs anyway, just need more time to figure it out |
| 19:48.57 | RST38h | Arkenoi: works for me :) |
| 19:49.07 | RST38h | forgot develsh? |
| 19:49.19 | Arkenoi | nope |
| 19:49.37 | RST38h | wrong firmware? |
| 19:49.43 | Arkenoi | may be |
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| 19:52.43 | rm_work | so, back to considering possibly setting up my own system like extras |
| 19:52.57 | rm_work | with trusted approvers, i was thinking |
| 19:53.28 | rm_work | sure, it'd be an "old boys club" of approvers, but i'd hope we'd be fair enough about it that we'd get less complaints than apple :P |
| 19:53.28 | RST38h | rm_work: Just give access to people you know, informally |
| 19:53.41 | rm_work | that's an option |
| 19:53.53 | rm_work | basically, if you want your package published, talk to one of these guys |
| 19:53.56 | rm_work | and they can do it for you |
| 19:53.58 | RST38h | There is not going to be nearly enough of us to cause trouble |
| 19:54.15 | RST38h | sounds like a decent enough idea for the small scale |
| 19:54.37 | RST38h | if things get out of hand, one can always come up with some automation |
| 19:54.42 | rm_work | yeah |
| 19:54.47 | lizardo | cat anyone with a N950 from DDP give me the output of "sysinfoclient -p /device/rd-flags" ? |
| 19:54.51 | rm_work | but true, there will only EVER be like 100 devs |
| 19:55.01 | rm_work | since they're not selling the device in... basically any country |
| 19:55.02 | RST38h | more like 25 :) |
| 19:55.15 | rm_work | i guess Russia and China and India are still posibilities :P |
| 19:55.55 | RST38h | ah, next time I go to US, I will bring some extras ... |
| 19:56.02 | RzR | lizardo: hold on |
| 19:56.15 | RST38h | It will surely be funny having to export this stuff INTO US, not OUT |
| 19:56.27 | rm_work | lol |
| 19:58.11 | lizardo | RzR: thanks, I want to know if there are any rd flags enabled on those devices (I suspect there is not, but I don't have a N950... yet) |
| 19:58.37 | RzR | ~ $ sysinfoclient -p /device/rd-flags |
| 19:58.41 | RzR | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.00 | RzR | lizardo: yes there are none yet |
| 19:59.25 | lizardo | RzR: ok, as I suspected... :) |
| 19:59.28 | RzR | ~ $ sysinfoclient -p /device/sw-release-ver |
| 19:59.28 | RzR | DFL61_HARMATTAN_1.2011.22-6_PR_RM680 |
| 20:00.22 | RzR | /j #n950 |
| 20:00.35 | RzR | for owners |
| 20:00.46 | RzR | i want to make a test if possible |
| 20:01.06 | fiferboy | Does anyone know how to format a real in QML? Specifically I want to get 2 decimal places |
| 20:01.14 | fiferboy | Do I have to go through Javascript? |
| 20:02.03 | RST38h | yes |
| 20:02.11 | alterego | fiferboy: yeah :/ |
| 20:02.13 | RST38h | and there is no warranty js will work =) |
| 20:02.23 | alterego | I have some code to do it somewhere. |
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| 20:04.20 | fiferboy | I guess I'll write a function to take in two numbers, divide them, and output as a formated real? |
| 20:05.31 | alterego | Why not do the calculation, then format? |
| 20:06.02 | fiferboy | Yeah, that'd work |
| 20:06.12 | alterego | It's just more reusable that way ;) |
| 20:06.54 | alterego | Anyway, what I do is: (10 / 3)toFixed(2) |
| 20:07.01 | alterego | (10 / 3).toFixed(2) |
| 20:07.07 | alterego | That results in 3.33 |
| 20:07.15 | fiferboy | True, I only need it for a single purpose now but might as well make it reusable |
| 20:07.21 | fiferboy | alterego: Thanks! |
| 20:07.46 | alterego | Padding with zeos is something I had to do too, but can't remember where that is :D |
| 20:08.05 | alterego | Like, 003.00 for degrees, or speed. |
| 20:08.17 | alterego | Think I did some modulo magic for that. |
| 20:08.57 | fiferboy | alterego: Yeah, I already have a pad function :) |
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| 20:09.13 | RST38h | wazd: first packages went into a repo |
| 20:09.55 | fiferboy | alterego: Success! thanks |
| 20:10.02 | alterego | np :) |
| 20:10.16 | wazd | Rst38h: cool, I'm on my way home to finish the artwork, sorry for delay. |
| 20:10.27 | alterego | btw, got my portrait locking working. Just did rotate:-90 and set the anchor point to Item.Center, which it wasn't by default. |
| 20:10.34 | divan | Regarding 'Service unavailable' issue.. When I press 'Sign in' no data is being send or received at all. When the Ovi login window create I have only this http request (captured on router) - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9311656/dump.dump |
| 20:11.02 | fiferboy | alterego: I found out about the centre point offset when I was testing (hacky) rotation in qemu :) |
| 20:11.38 | RST38h | wazd: I still have tomorrow, going to .GR on Sunday =) |
| 20:12.40 | wazd | Rst38h: lucky you :) Bring back some beer :P |
| 20:12.49 | alterego | fiferboy: it's annoying because under MeeGo CE, it seems to set to Center by default .. |
| 20:13.08 | RST38h | wazd: I will bring back some molotov cocktail =) |
| 20:13.25 | wazd | Rst38h: meheh, that will do too :D |
| 20:15.04 | wazd | Bbiab |
| 20:15.21 | rm_work | heading home, later RST38h, have a fun trip if i don't catch you again :P |
| 20:18.26 | RST38h | gnight |
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| 20:37.36 | alterego | is attempting to write a guitar chord dictionary app in pure QML |
| 20:37.46 | alterego | This'll be a stretch of my musical knowledge :) |
| 20:39.45 | fiferboy | alterego: I am tempted to write a multi-touch fife simulator :) |
| 20:40.45 | GAN900 | alterego, nice. |
| 20:40.51 | Venemo | alterego, ping |
| 20:43.32 | alterego | Venemo: Yeah? |
| 20:44.00 | Venemo | alterego, do you know of the QML MouseFilter element? |
| 20:44.21 | Venemo | alterego, it seems that I've found something nasty |
| 20:44.48 | Venemo | alterego, since TextEdit is crappy on its own, I've decided to use TextAre. however it is still crappy so I need to edit its code. |
| 20:44.49 | alterego | I know of it, haven't actually used it. |
| 20:45.05 | Venemo | alterego, it has a MouseFilter element within it with an event handler that seemingly doesn't exist |
| 20:45.33 | Venemo | onFinished |
| 20:45.53 | Venemo | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/TextArea.qml#line479 |
| 20:46.20 | Venemo | Qt Creator complains for this line and the whole app appears as a black rectangle if I leave it in. |
| 20:46.35 | Venemo | I can't understand how their code can operate |
| 20:46.58 | Venemo | hmm |
| 20:47.03 | alterego | shrugs, different versions probably. |
| 20:47.06 | Venemo | seems that the TextArea.qml on the device doesn't have it! |
| 20:47.10 | frals | you are looking at /master/ not /1.0/ |
| 20:47.13 | Venemo | they CHEATED... |
| 20:47.23 | frals | no, you are looking at the wrong version of the blob on gitorious |
| 20:47.29 | Venemo | mhm. |
| 20:49.06 | fiferboy | Venemo: Are you running the stock version on the N950? |
| 20:49.29 | Venemo | fiferboy, yeah, I've changed to the stock version now. |
| 20:49.33 | alterego | I'm thinking of cheating and having a chord shape dictionary, then they just get transposed when you query a specific root note. |
| 20:50.35 | Venemo | what the heck? qrc:/qml/harmattan/EditBubble.js:53: ReferenceError: Can't find variable: findRootItem |
| 20:50.41 | Venemo | I now copied the files from the device |
| 20:50.45 | Venemo | why doesn't it work? |
| 20:51.19 | Venemo | maybe I'll need to rebuild |
| 20:51.26 | Venemo | deletes the build directories |
| 20:51.46 | Venemo | hm, no |
| 20:51.49 | Venemo | still not working |
| 20:53.17 | Venemo | maybe I need one more js file |
| 20:54.02 | Venemo | now I get QDeclarativeComponent: Component is not ready |
| 20:54.36 | Venemo | what the hell is going on with this stuff? |
| 20:54.47 | RST38h | it is on drugs? |
| 20:55.34 | Venemo | even if I just copy the code from sftp://192.168.2.15/usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego it still doesn't work |
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| 20:55.53 | RST38h | well, qml examples found on the net rarely work |
| 20:56.01 | RST38h | different qml versions |
| 20:56.10 | Venemo | I got this from the N950! |
| 20:56.13 | Venemo | not from the web! |
| 20:56.16 | RST38h | ah |
| 20:56.22 | Venemo | I just copypasted the shit that's already there. |
| 20:56.54 | spenap | Venemo, if this findRootItem is defined in some JS file |
| 20:57.13 | spenap | and then the path is no longer the same so it cannot find it |
| 20:57.19 | spenap | you could be getting that error |
| 20:57.43 | spenap | ouch |
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| 20:57.48 | spenap | I read the previous error |
| 20:57.51 | spenap | not your current one |
| 20:58.01 | wazd_ | back |
| 20:59.43 | crevetor | Does anybody here have an N9 ? |
| 21:00.10 | Venemo | spenap, I found it |
| 21:00.19 | Venemo | but now I get this. |
| 21:00.21 | Venemo | meh! |
| 21:00.28 | ieatlint | nope, N9s aren't out yet |
| 21:00.49 | Venemo | I only want that stupid TextArea to emit a linkActivated signal when the TextEdit emits the same. |
| 21:00.52 | crevetor | I know but some people already have them (Jukka has one for instance, maybe Quim too) |
| 21:01.29 | ieatlint | yeah, quim does |
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| 21:38.50 | Venemo | hm |
| 21:38.59 | Venemo | seems that this time I could hack it the way I wanted. |
| 21:56.47 | MohammadAG | wazd, where's my mockup! :P |
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