IRC log for #harmattan on 20110810

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02:02.33SpeedEvilWell - read to the end.
02:05.16npmi did. but it's not exactly the new york times of journalistic integrity (not that the NYT is either)
02:05.22npmso i'm not sure how true
02:05.44npmor whether it's as "unavailable" as the n900
02:06.06SpeedEvilI can answer the question in seconds.
02:06.11SpeedEvilAbout 30 million of them.
02:06.18SpeedEvilAnd it'll become clear.
02:06.28npm?
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02:07.02SpeedEvilI'd first try to find if there was an actual nokia press release saying unambiguously 'no n9 in USA'
02:07.09SpeedEvilOr if it's people reading between the lines
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03:11.19hardaker2I'm hoping between the lines.
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03:15.24Nick```hello first time here. sorry if asked in wrong channel. just would like to know if Harmattan has PPTP VPN Client and Remote Desktop Client?
03:16.46antman8969not stock if thats what you mean. A developer may be doing it though (don't know of one off the top of my head)
03:18.09Nick```thanks. i'll try to search learn more about meego
03:18.29SpeedEvilMeegoisn't really what's on the n9
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03:19.18Nick```bangs head on wall
03:19.46antman8969not impossible though, just not at the moment
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03:21.59Nick```gorgeous phone though
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03:30.42antman8969do you happen to be in a country with an official launch
03:32.56Nick```yeah malaysia
03:33.25antman8969thinking of picking one up I'm guessing?
03:33.39antman8969out of curiosity, what attracted you? the looks?
03:35.08Nick```kinda a nokia fan. but really underwhelmed by their new phones. can't do anything useful. and ovimap is a big draw,and being a rebel I refuse to fall for iphone/android hype
03:36.41antman8969do you plan on following to wp7?
03:37.37Nick```hmmmm don't mind wp7, but I do mind the current huge bulky ones
03:40.12Nick```seems like all current wp7 phones  are half baked rush products . i dunno
03:42.39antman8969i'm personallly not a fan of M$. How does the n9 price compare to high end android phones where you live?
03:47.52Nick```oh, hmmm I don't know the price of N9 yet. but the galaxy s2 is $695
03:48.11Nick```and Nokia E7 is $512
03:54.31Nick```hmmm but if the browser in N9 can support java, then I Think i could use VNC
03:56.24antman8969well
03:56.39antman8969I didn't mean to make you think it will never happen. Chances there will be a port
03:56.47antman8969I just don't know off the top of my head if some one is or not
03:56.53Nick```man it sure looks good
03:56.59antman8969it does
03:57.00tommahmmm.. maybe i should make one
03:57.04antman8969it's very bitter sweet
03:57.06antman8969see ^^
03:57.10antman8969lol
03:57.18antman8969it just takes time
03:57.47antman8969But Nick```, from my experience with the n950, I love it as a consumer device
03:57.54antman8969particularly the swipe UI
03:58.08antman8969which obviously immediately makes me sad that it's the last one...
03:58.58Nick```n950 cult status huh
03:59.11antman8969woord
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04:24.34tommai wonder if it is possible to make wine to run wp7 applications as wine does compile for arm
04:25.40dm8tbr'menta
04:26.10specialtomma: you'd want to start with mono, not wine. Everything on WP7 is managed CLR.
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04:53.48tommaVNC client ready but cant compile =/ something wrong with my scratchbox
05:28.58RST38hhello gentlemen
05:29.13RST38hDOes anyone know how I can change a globalproperty fromwithin QML?
05:45.44antman8969can you give an example of a globalproperty?
05:45.47antman8969not sure what you mean
05:45.55antman8969rst38h
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07:46.00Venemo_N950good morning
07:47.37rcgmorning Venemo_N950
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07:57.31Venemo_N950hm
08:01.03Venemo_N950I definitely need to implement a way of dealing with random disconnects
08:02.37Venemo_N950the N950 just drops the connection whenever it feels like
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08:05.35Venemo_N950hi
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08:05.56Venemo_N950hiemanshu, ping
08:09.37RST38hmoo again
08:09.55RST38hAnyone can help me with *setting* the QML context properties from the QML itself?
08:11.39Venemo_N950RST38h, doesn't seem possible
08:11.46RST38hoh
08:12.11RST38hok, is it possible to change properties of the top PageStack from the C++ code then?
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08:18.52tommaRST38h, if property is writtable then why not
08:20.33RST38hhow?
08:20.57tommausing QObject::setProperty
08:22.06RST38hthis has not been my question though
08:22.23RST38hthe question is how do I get the damn QObject
08:22.33RST38hfrom QDeclarativeView
08:23.12tommafindchild by name or type
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08:23.27RST38humgh...ok
08:23.31RST38hwill try, thanks
08:23.54tommahttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtbinding.html#locating-child-objects
08:25.38lcuk2morning \o
08:25.50RST38htooma: btw, will the QDeclarativeView::rootWidget() be the PageStack?
08:30.13tommarootObject()?
08:30.48tommaif it is root item then yes
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08:57.02Venemo_N950hiemanshu, you are out of luck. my F15 laptop fails to boot, so I can't push
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09:58.50M4rtinK2lbt: is it possible to make the COBS build more verbose ?
09:59.18M4rtinK2lbt: somewhere in the OBS config or in the Debian packaging scripts ?
10:00.33M4rtinK2I have a few packages with "dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2" without preceding errors in the normal output...
10:02.23Venemo_N950~ping
10:02.24infobot~pong
10:02.58Venemo_N950nice, not disconnected :)
10:05.16tonberry950lol
10:05.16lbtM4rtinK2: that's a debian packaging issue
10:05.41lbtthere's some variables you can set ... don't recall... not done it for too long :(
10:05.55M4rtinK2lbt: well, OBS must be involved somehow as the same packages build fine in scratchbox...
10:06.23lbtbuilding fine in scratchbox usually means your packaging is broken
10:06.36M4rtinK2just yesterday a build fremantles GTK and PyGTK in scratchbox and tested it on my N950 - it works
10:06.49M4rtinK2but the GTK build just dies in OBS
10:07.09M4rtinK2well, quite possible there is some packaging issue
10:07.20slaineIs it possible to create a purely QML project in QtCreator that uses QtQuick 1.1 ?
10:07.56M4rtinK2so I'm trying to find where exactly it fails to fix it :)
10:08.00slaineI've created one, but it's complaining
10:08.00slainefile:///Users/slaine/Projects/Qt/TestUI/TestUI.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed
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10:09.29lbtM4rtinK2: try a local build.
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10:09.47lbtyou can then chroot into the buildroot and run the build manually
10:10.03M4rtinK2OBS local build ?
10:10.10lbtyes
10:10.35lbtcd to the checked out package and do : osc build
10:10.53M4rtinK2good point - If it really is caused by packaging, it should crop out even on non-arm build
10:11.05M4rtinK2I'll be right on it :)
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10:25.05lbtM4rtinK2: you can do arm build locally too
10:25.36lbta local build is identical (kernel and qemu versions aside) to an OBS-side build
10:26.00lbtan OBS worker essentially runs : osc build
10:26.21M4rtinK2lbt: oh, thats nice! :) I didn't know that is possible
10:27.09M4rtinK2well, actually why not - If I can build arm binaries in Scratchbox, why not using OBS :)
10:27.52lcuklbt, the benefit of local obs buld is that it downloads dependencies as required doesn't it?
10:28.09M4rtinK2yep, It is doing it right now
10:28.28M4rtinK2232 packages for an old GTK version, BTW :D
10:28.44M4rtinK2including Kernel headers for some reason :)
10:29.46wazdhi all
10:30.29lcukmorning wazd
10:31.23Venemo_N950hrmmm
10:31.33Venemo_N950"software update" for N950
10:31.46Venemo_N950some Store app or whatever
10:34.13M4rtinK2lbt: something is wrong: chroot: failed to run command `/sbin/ldconfig': No such file or directory
10:34.32M4rtinK2also: chroot: failed to run command `dpkg': No such file or directory
10:34.57M4rtinK2even a package that builds in COBS does this - some missing local dependencies ?
10:36.28tommaVenemo_N950, seems like working ovistoreclient
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10:38.07tommawell... "working" first try worked for while and crashes and now it wont even start =)
10:38.20Venemo_N950hehehe
10:38.34aslanilet's try this out...
10:38.37Venemo_N950then I won't be very eager to try
10:39.07Venemo_N950now I need to leave, my battery is half empty
10:39.09Venemo_N950bye
10:39.14aslanidid not crash!
10:40.00aslaniI guess I'll download compass then
10:41.09aslanihey, what's "funny catz"? :D
10:41.23lcukaslani, you mean https://projects.developer.nokia.com/qmlcompass/files
10:42.11aslaniI'm not sure if it's same? I already have that one
10:42.37aslanior was it https://projects.developer.nokia.com/compass?
10:42.42aslanican't remember
10:43.23aslanioh nice, now I have lolcats on my N950
10:43.24tommathey all are different projects =)
10:49.48lbtM4rtinK2: mmm you mentioned scratchbox
10:50.03lbthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building#Co-existing_with_Scratchbox
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11:08.19SpeedEvilWoo. And Hoo.
11:09.31wazdSpeedEvil: o/
11:09.39SpeedEvilsettings -> About product -> 1.2011-15-7_pr_rm680
11:09.48SpeedEvilI assume this is as expected - no updates
11:10.32SpeedEvilSettings -> warranty - one of the easiest legalese free warranties ever!
11:11.20kimjuum? seems that you've got device with pretty ancient firmware. update it to 22-6 by running the oneclickflasher.
11:11.52cos^any rumors if there will be firmware updates anytime soon?
11:11.52SpeedEvilk
11:12.21kimjucos^, nope. best guess is when n9 hits the stores.
11:12.27cos^wk22 here
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11:13.02cos^:(
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12:48.19JaffaM4rtinK2: It would be good if the "getting started with development" was broader scoped and dealt with installing SDK and packaging; leaving "getting started with OBS" a guide to *OBS*
12:48.32JaffaM4rtinK2: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=28270#post28270
12:48.34macmaNmkay, ovi store client for n950 out
12:48.37JaffaM4rtinK2: But any improvements good
12:49.02macmaNbut for some reason my update client has stopped working. throbber just spins and never stops spinning, no results appear.
12:58.39kimjuJaffa, you've been working with the harmattan support in obs? any idea why my package(s) stay in "building" state after the package has been succesfully build (as seen in live build log). the .deb is not getting pushed to repo, the package stays in "building" state, but the obs worker is released for next package.. see the red one: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor/old
13:02.13Jaffakimju: One for X-Fade on #meego, I'm afraid
13:02.50rcgkimju: are you using aegis?
13:03.10rcgi.e. do you create an aegis manifest for your dep?
13:03.19kimjurcg, that package has a manifest, yes.
13:03.54rcgjust a second
13:04.33rcghttps://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21885
13:04.35rcgkimju: ^
13:04.36MeeGoBotBug 21885 maj, Undecided, ---, david, NEW, Aegis manifests are not correctly handled/created by the builder.
13:07.42kimjuso what is the solution, the aegis-deb-add line in rules?
13:08.04rcgyep
13:08.18rcgsee the last attachment
13:08.53kimjuhttp://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/blobs/master/debian/rules
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13:11.15rcgcould you try to add something like "aegis-deb-add -control debian/meepasswords/DEBIAN/control .. debian/meepasswords.aegis=_aegis" to the very end of the binary-arch: build install step instead?
13:11.27wazdmacmaN: orly
13:11.46rcgseems like this has to be the very last thing that is done with the deb.. else you get this "hanging" obs issue
13:11.56wazdmacmaN: yeah, my client is dead too
13:12.06wazdmacmaN: I guess it's time to reflash! :P
13:12.26kimjuI wonder what is the difference between aegis-deb-add and aegis-deb-util --add-manifest
13:20.39kimjuhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-platform-security/aegis-builder/trees/master - -util seems to call -add ?
13:20.47kimjuso both should work?
13:37.09rcgwell.. afaik one is a convenience "function" which calls the other
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13:37.30rcgif you build in scratchbox both work iirc
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13:37.47rcgthough, for some reason the obs hangs when using it the "wrong way"
13:37.52RST38hheya javispedro
13:38.03RST38hI have noticed you broke aegis =)
13:38.19javispedropartially, partially :)
13:38.27rcgso we are currently left with the one that works with obs
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13:40.19M4rtinK2lbt, Jaffa: wiki updated http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Debugging
13:40.25kimjujavispedro, details?
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13:41.09javispedrohttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75612&page=2 (seems to be down atm)
13:42.03javispedroeither way, the idea is (ab)use the module loading abilities granted by using developer mode to disable the validator
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13:52.11lbtthanks M4rtinK2
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13:52.44fiferboylbt: Hi!
13:52.53lbthey fiferboy :)
13:53.08fiferboyHave you had time for any actual development lately, or are you way too busy for that?
13:53.14lbt:(
13:53.21fiferboyYeah, I figured :(
13:53.37lbtkeep allocating time and then pushing it back...
13:53.46lbtc.obs, apps, work ...
13:53.48lcukyou need some sort of shopping list/todo thingie
13:53.56lbt:P
13:55.08fiferboylbt: Hopefully you get some time to check out QML, I find it really cool
13:57.15GAN900lbt, thanks for pushing all of that, by the way. :)
13:58.00SpeedEvilis still screwing with flasher.
13:58.01SpeedEvilGrr.
13:58.46SpeedEvilDevice identifier: 357881040009476 (SN: N/A)
13:58.47SpeedEvilError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy
14:00.49aslanistill boot looping?
14:00.53SpeedEvilyes
14:01.12aslaniunplug and wait for the battery to run out
14:01.24SpeedEvilIt will turn off if I unplug power
14:01.30aslanioh.
14:03.11SpeedEvilAnd I should strace flasher to make sure it's not local
14:05.31GAN900SpeedEvil, did it show up?
14:05.47SpeedEvil?
14:06.20GAN900SpeedEvil, N950.
14:06.40SpeedEvilI have it physically, and it's bootlooping after I attempted to flash it.
14:06.52GAN900lol
14:07.25javispedrothere's no new firmware, so reflash wasn't really required =)
14:07.56GAN900He's worried frals plantent something evil on his N950.
14:08.29fiferboySpeaking of new firmware, is the official word "shortly after the N9 release"?
14:08.30SpeedEvilVersion says 22-6 of the download - was 15-somtething of installed
14:08.33lcukSpeedEvil, tried rebooting your laptop?
14:08.53SpeedEvillcuk: I suppose.
14:08.58SpeedEvilGood point.
14:09.04SpeedEvilI'm not fully awake today.
14:09.13GAN900fiferboy, I'd have to guess before.
14:09.24GAN900SpeedEvil, really?
14:09.28GAN900Interesting
14:09.36frals<SpeedEvil> Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy <- as root?
14:09.40SpeedEvilyes
14:09.45javispedrowho can sleep when a new toy is at the door.
14:10.09SpeedEvilI diddn't say I hadn't slept - just that I'm not awake. :/
14:10.22javispedroSpeedEvil: j/k :)
14:11.25SpeedEvilMeh - only 48 days uptime anyway.
14:12.32javispedroso MALF is the official name for aegis self-destruction I guess.
14:12.49javispedroprobably comes from "MALFunction"
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14:13.50javispedroseemingly it is implemented by dsme and the self-destruction is signaled by the presence of a /var/malf file
14:14.05GAN900Does it start writing zeroes?
14:14.10hiemanshujavispedro: so I heard you broke aegis \o/
14:14.28javispedroGAN900: na, just starts a reboot loop
14:15.39n900evilfind he has inadequate torx.
14:15.46GAN900I'm guessing Quim is shaking his head at what he's created.
14:15.57javispedron900evil: you are trying to open it already?
14:16.15n900evilI was idly wondering.
14:16.23n900evilNot trying.
14:16.24javispedroGAN900: yes, I was surprised by his retweet.
14:16.54alteregoWhat's Quim been saying?
14:16.58n900evilWho doesn't check they have tools to dissasemble random devices.
14:17.04javispedron900evil: :)
14:18.07n900evilwaits for fsck.
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14:22.41javispedroalterego: check his twitter feed.
14:23.22n900evilOdd. flasher wedges usb port after one run
14:23.34javispedron900evil: maybe it is kept backgrounded?
14:23.44n900evilnope
14:26.00n900eviltries another kernel on lappy
14:28.41wazdwow! Store works!
14:29.29wazdamazing :D
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14:31.57fiferboywazd: Anything there?
14:32.41Arkenoiwazd: huh?  mine shows "coming soon"
14:33.01alteregoYou need ti update first
14:33.22Arkenoialterego, update what? apt-get upgrade?
14:33.44alteregoThat might work, I'm going through settings->applications->update
14:33.48alteregoOr whereever it is
14:34.49GAN900There's an update?
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14:34.56Arkenoi"Device is up-to-date"
14:34.57wazdfiferboy, Arkenoi: update it
14:35.04alteregoArkenoi: press the "update" button :P
14:35.06wazdfiferboy, Arkenoi: wait a sec
14:35.26alteregoWow, it works :D
14:35.31wazdfiferboy, Arkenoi: mine has crashed :D
14:35.42alteregoHeh
14:35.56GAN900Mine's sitting on my desk these days.
14:36.00wazdArkenoi: there's even Membrana/ru app in there :D
14:36.44Arkenoiwazd: how do i update?
14:38.10wazdArkenoi: settings -> applications -> manage applications -> updates tab
14:38.24Arkenoiah! had to press reload
14:38.32Arkenoibtw apt-get upgrade did not work
14:41.43wazdЫещкуЖ http://i019.radikal.ru/1108/d8/3b8663f49267.png
14:41.50wazdStore:*
14:43.34fiferboyHeh, I broke my apt-get functionality installing new qt components
14:44.07wazdhttp://i045.radikal.ru/1108/bf/584de9921ed5.jpg <- sorry for rotation :P
14:44.23fiferboyGAN900: You'll have to pick it up to do coding and testing the week :)
14:44.40GAN900fiferboy, yes.
14:44.43GAN900Thursday.
14:45.27fiferboyGAN900: Thursday!  Always Thursday with you.
14:45.47GAN900Next week it'll be Friday.
14:45.52wazdFunny Catz is in store, world is safe place again
14:50.52alteregoShame there's not much on the store ..
14:51.00alteregoCan't even install "Compass" :(
14:51.47javispedrohave you counted to see if there's even less than what was initially available on the N900 store? :)
14:52.58wazdIs there any way to block that bloody foursquare spam in facebook feed?
14:53.05fiferboyI guess I'm not missing out by not being able to install the store
14:53.14fiferboyExcpet for Funny Catz
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14:54.36alteregowazd: maybe if you filter it on the actual site?
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14:58.52lbtM4rtinK2:  add :  export DH_VERBOSE=1   at the start of your rules file BTW...
15:03.20SpeedEvilHmm. Got partway through flashing, then fails a bit into the kernel image.
15:03.29SpeedEvilfails to understand why this is flaky.
15:03.51SpeedEvils/kernel/rootfs/
15:04.11MohammadAGalterego, can't install compass either
15:04.17MohammadAGit's missing deps
15:04.33MohammadAGalterego, make an open source compass app in QML :)
15:04.47wazdMohammadAG: worked for me somehow
15:04.49MohammadAGI would do it, but it won't have fancy transitions/looks
15:04.56fiferboySomeone here made a QML Compass app, I think
15:05.07MohammadAGwazd, you're Russian, everything should work for you
15:05.29fiferboyhttp://www.ageofikon.com/prh/index.php?Action=list&System=.%2F&Arg=compass&Section=&Repo=0
15:05.32fiferboyMohammadAG: ^
15:05.41MohammadAGthat's Nokia's(?)
15:06.04fiferboyMohammadAG: I don't think so, it's from c.obs
15:06.41fiferboyNB: I haven't tried it or installed it
15:07.11MohammadAGthat's Nokia's example yes
15:07.19MohammadAGit orients a map, which is empty for Israel
15:07.50fiferboyAh
15:08.20MohammadAGI just need an app similar to the iPhone's/N97's
15:08.44MohammadAGoh and FYI, ovi store thought compass was installed cause of that
15:12.39MohammadAGremind me to implement a BT file sending cli app
15:13.34fiferboyMohammadAG: Just reminding you: write a BT file sending QML app
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15:16.24wazdfiferboy: +1
15:18.15wazdMohammadAG: I can even draw a ui for it :)
15:18.44MohammadAGwazd, why not :)
15:19.38MohammadAGhmm, the transfers framework has bt file sending
15:19.46MohammadAGsounds petrovich-y
15:22.29MohammadAGI'll start on it when I get home :)
15:22.56MohammadAGwazd, if you end up drawing a UI pm me the links, even if I don't reply my bouncer should save them
15:23.38fiferboyMohammadAG: Huzzah! :)
15:25.20wazdfiferboy: see, it's all about UI designer in da house :D
15:25.25wazdMohammadAG: sure :)
15:33.47Jaffacouldn't install Compass from Ovi (and has no other compass installed AFAIK)
15:34.20JaffaPower draining getting past Ovi QA isn't very encouraging though (according to the reviewers)
15:37.04javispedroprobably because the _reviewers_ are doing Ovi QA ;)
15:41.12hiemanshuMohammadAG: there is one called qmlcompass
15:41.30hiemanshuMohammadAG: http://projects.developer.nokia.com/qmlcompass
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15:53.21GAN900Jaffa, are you surprised, though?
15:54.23JaffaGAN900: No, I'm not surprised by anything
15:54.33GAN900Me neither.
15:54.35GAN900Funny.
15:56.15javispedroI _am_ surprised by the noUK thing.
15:56.25javispedroI had been stupidly optimist.
15:56.28JaffaOK, true
15:56.32JaffaMe too
15:56.49Jaffawonders if he'll be surprised by HP7b this evening
15:57.00JaffaMight be different to the book ;-)
15:57.16javispedropotter dies!
15:57.29javispedroall of them!
15:57.32hiemanshuHP is meh
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15:59.23GAN900Whatever platform we all end up on next, Jaffa's not allowed to come.
15:59.40JaffaRISC OS, EPOC, Maemo, MeeGo.
15:59.41w00t_unless it's a burning one, we can use him to put the fires out
15:59.47Jaffa<sigh/>
16:00.01GAN900Jaffa, I couldn't remember the book at all.
16:00.07GAN900Read it in about 8 hours.
16:00.10w00t_Jaffa: have you ever, by any chance, considered buying a windows phone? *slight smirk*
16:00.28Jaffaw00t_: ;-) Nokia Developer should be sending me one at some point, I guess
16:00.45Jaffaw00t_: I bought a Palm device, but it was so shit as an OS
16:01.13javispedrohears PalmOS and raises ears
16:01.38macmaNwazd: any success yet with update?
16:01.42javispedroPalmOS, Maemo, Meego. My list is shorter than Jaffa's dammit!
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16:02.28alteregoMy list is the same as Jaffa's ..
16:02.56GAN900Newton, Palm, Maemo, MeeGo
16:03.13fiferboyQtopia, Maemo, (android), MeeGo
16:03.15alteregoThough there's a Symbian inbetween epoc and Maemo ...
16:05.21Jaffasuspects he's going to end up as a consumer/developer
16:06.17javispedro?
16:06.42javispedrowhat are you now then? :)
16:06.43hiemanshuSymbian, iOS, Maemo, MeeGo, Palm
16:07.00Jaffajavispedro: Advocate/community-member/...
16:07.15javispedroah.
16:07.19javispedrogood point.
16:07.40Jaffajavispedro: For example, I don't think I'd be on an iOS or Android forum, IRC channel or mailing list
16:08.32GAN900Sad days.
16:08.35javispedrois already on the webos irc channel =)
16:08.39javispedrohides
16:08.57GAN900We're going to morph into internet trolls.
16:09.16JaffaGAN900: We already are. TMO said so
16:09.42GAN900Consensus has Spoken!
16:10.07fiferboyOne of us! One of us!
16:10.09javispedroyou know, we should ask how the openmoko guys are handling it :)
16:10.30alteregoWeird, how I would have expected the N9 to have been more successful in the UK than in a lot of other places.
16:10.40hiemanshugah, store wont update for me :/
16:11.07javispedroalterego: which is probably the reason it's not sold there.
16:11.21alteregoI might setup a UK N9 shop :)
16:11.33alteregoI'll call it Notkia
16:11.58javispedrostill, I wonder why all the locales.
16:12.06javispedroit's not like .se speaks that many languages.
16:12.36GAN900Gooble gobble! Gooble gobble!
16:13.54Jaffaalterego: I sure getting it won't be too hard, but it'd be damned pricey
16:14.39GAN900What /is/ SD69's investment in maemo.org. . . .
16:14.59javispedroall of those arguments that were made in #meego about the n9 being the first "mass market" device..
16:15.04javispedro*meego device
16:15.05alteregoGAN900: he's an Android fanboi P
16:15.11Jaffajavispedro: :-(
16:15.11javispedroI'm sure Intel is now laughing.
16:15.43GAN900Intel's doing something, not sure it's laughing.
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16:15.54JaffaThey're doing a great job....
16:16.02GAN900No
16:16.08GAN900That can't be right.
16:16.10Jaffa...of showing how much Nokia got open source
16:16.41JaffaEven badly
16:16.59JaffaI got used to a firewall between closed management and open community.
16:17.13JaffaBut closed management in an open project is Just Plain Weird
16:17.22Jaffachecks. Nope, still no email
16:18.05fiferboyDS69's life mission seems to be to prolong maemo.org's demise
16:18.19javispedrohey
16:18.30javispedromaemo.org might be more active that any harmattan related
16:18.31JaffaHe seems to think that Maemo could be a great mobile OS which the community runs
16:18.52JaffaOooh. Anyone tried a Maemo 5 port to N950? ;-)
16:18.55JaffaThat'd be good
16:19.09lcukJaffa, cordia on meego-ce
16:19.19javispedroor hildon on maemo ;)
16:19.25Jaffalcuk: Not the same. Mer could run Hildon Desktop
16:19.42lcukthat is just playing NIH :P cordia has something of momentum
16:19.43Jaffalcuk: But I want all the Nokia apps, the existing binaries (hell, my existing backup from N900 restored)
16:20.08lcukmer got wound down as everybody cheered for meego
16:20.10Jaffalcuk: All I've seen are videos of the desktop, with no widgets, no status bar plugins and no apps. Happy to be corrected.
16:20.23lcuksame as everything
16:20.24javispedrothere are status bar plugins at least.
16:20.25Jaffalcuk: As you pointed out the other day, it's the apps
16:20.35lcuktried for months to ensure that hildon was strong and compatible
16:20.42lcukwould still try given support
16:21.13JaffaAnd it's not just hildon. It's libosso, libicd2 etc.
16:21.18lcukJaffa, remember I was one of the last to believe in pr1.2/pr1.3
16:21.25Jaffalcuk: Luddite ;-)
16:21.26lcukand wanted to do pr1.4 too
16:21.29javispedroJaffa: which are already on the n950 =)
16:21.30lcuklol!
16:21.48lcukJaffa, in my old job I was called similar
16:21.56lcukbut I believe in using good quality tools
16:22.04lcukand if you find them they are ageless
16:22.33lcukhaving said that, the calculator on harmattan is awesome
16:22.52lcukbest advance in technology in decades, I adore the feel of the buttons when using it
16:23.23lcukie for all the moaning I see up here ^^^ harmattan is pretty damn well made
16:23.48javispedrooh noes, not that again
16:24.14lcukjavispedro, ?
16:24.34javispedrothe "all the moaning I see here" thing =)
16:24.51lcukheh
16:24.57lcukgoes and makes coffee
16:25.38hiemanshuTablets given out at Intel App Up event at DS, damn I know I should have gone
16:26.58javispedrothey do that a lot
16:29.06javispedroso, do you think you could survive the fact that the n9 will not be mass market? do you still have some bit of hope that they will eventually massmarketize it later this year? (I do, but I really dunno why)
16:30.13lcukall these qml apps that are being written, do they work on the other meego devices?
16:30.18fiferboyI think the rumours that there will be at least one more Harmattan "device" of some description is interesting (nobody is saying phone)
16:30.40fiferboylcuk: Raw QML, yes.  QML with Qt Components - not sure yet
16:37.20RST38hmoo gentlemen
16:37.30RST38hwhat are we discussing? the inevitable doom?
16:37.40javispedroyes, welcome to the end.
16:38.36RST38hah, cute
16:41.53javispedronokia stock is already worthless and still going down...
16:48.27M4rtinK2lbt: now this is positively strange - the same package that fails on cobs builds fine when doing local OBS build
16:48.49lcukM4rtinK2, file a real bug
16:48.57M4rtinK2using: osc build MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard  armv7el
16:49.17M4rtinK2OK, where ?
16:49.22javispedroM4rtinK2: what's the problem?
16:51.23M4rtinK2javispedro: this is the log: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard
16:51.44javispedroah
16:51.48javispedroyou're seeing a bug I already know about
16:51.57M4rtinK2fails on the debian rules
16:52.05javispedrofor some reason someone thought passing -j4 to make was a great idea
16:52.06specialanyone happen to recall about how long the N950 took to ship to the US?
16:52.35M4rtinK2javispedro: what does it do ?
16:52.54javispedroparallelize something that debian policy allows not to be parallelizable
16:53.11M4rtinK2oh
16:53.39javispedroyou can fix this by carefully fixing your debian/rules to be parallizable
16:53.43M4rtinK2but why does this not happen in a local OBS build ?
16:53.49javispedrorearranging targets and adding new ones as necessary
16:53.55M4rtinK2the environment should be the same ?
16:54.22M4rtinK2javispedro: well, great :D any other workaround ?
16:57.03javispedroM4rtinK2: this is a parallelization/locking/synchronization problem so it is random, wether it appears depends even on the system load.
16:57.35M4rtinK2well, it seems to be quite regular in my case
16:58.08M4rtinK2javispedro: always in the same place for some packages
16:58.55M4rtinK2so theoretically there is a possibility of just triggering rebuild until one finishes ? :)
16:59.17javispedro"theoretically".
16:59.19javispedrobut I wouldn't do that
16:59.58M4rtinK2is there no possibility to override the build flags somehow ?
17:00.31lcukspecial, do you have shipping/tracking info already
17:04.28javispedroM4rtinK2: we are talking about your problem in #meego
17:05.01M4rtinK2javispedro: ok :)
17:05.53RST38hAnyone knows how I can report values from QML to C++ using the rootContext?
17:07.32hardakerdoes "read it and forgot it" count?
17:07.44hardakerthere is a web page that talks about it.
17:09.45hardakerI'm sure it's on this page somewher: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-extending.html
17:11.54speciallcuk: it was sent out monday, no tracking info yet. I'm going to be gone for a few days.
17:12.56rcgspecial: with respect to the tracking info you might try to contanct the nokia ddp guys.. i also did not get any tracking info
17:13.11rcgbut the device arrived safely anyhow ;)
17:13.16hardakerthey don't seem to send tracking info.
17:13.20hardakerif you write them back and ask they will.
17:13.32specialthat's good to know; does anybody have an estimate of how long to ship to the US?
17:13.33hardakerotherwise it'll just show up
17:13.48hardakerI had my second device shipped last friday, and it arrived monday morning.
17:13.55hardakerso not long.  you need to be home though ;-)
17:14.03hardakerrequires a signature.
17:14.06specialright.
17:14.08specialthanks
17:14.09hardakerso 3-4 days
17:14.17rcgwell, afaik they are quite busy.. so it kinda depends whether the send tracking info.. some guys said they got it without asking
17:14.31rcg*they
17:14.44hardakeryeah, letum get stuff done :-)
17:14.47hardakerit'll get to you.
17:15.17specialwell, what I really want to know is if it's going to be tomorrow or friday - nobody will be here :p
17:15.48hardakersounds like you should ask then :-)
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17:16.08rcgdjszapi: ping
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17:16.16djszapipong
17:16.34rcgi saw that you and rzr are maintaining the "community repo"
17:16.51rcgwhats the procedure to get one of my packages there?
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17:17.17arfollis there a way to yaml -> dsc?
17:17.26djszapircg: you need to pay a lot of beers :)
17:17.36hardakerWow, the store actually works now.
17:17.38hardakervery cool.
17:18.23rcgdjszapi: lol
17:18.58djszapircg: what is your user name ?
17:19.07rcgdjszapi: wonko
17:19.28rcgpackage is meepasswords
17:19.31lcukevening djszapi
17:19.32djszapircg: ok, I added you to maintainers
17:19.34hardakerha!  everything but the "Download" button works in the store.
17:19.37hardakerfeh
17:19.45rcgah great :)
17:19.47lcukhardaker, give it a chance!
17:19.53hardakerheh.
17:19.55djszapircg: please take the responsibility if you break something..
17:19.57lcukbrand new stuff takes time
17:20.01djszapiand try to fix it asap
17:20.02rcgdjszapi: so now i can just add my stuff?
17:20.11rcg"can" as in "am allowed to" ;)
17:20.15djszapilcuk: hello bello :)
17:20.22djszapilcuk: How are you ?
17:20.36lcukI am reasonable
17:20.46lcukwent crosseyed earlier having to repar a laptop
17:21.00lcukhasn't done that sort of disassembly/rebuild in years
17:21.06lcukrepair *
17:21.14alteregolame, qml javascript doesn't have push and pop operators on arrays :/
17:21.21lcukalterego, \o
17:21.24alteregoOh wait ..
17:21.38alteregoThis isn't an array, it's a bloody QList or something isn't it ..
17:22.19alteregoHrm, no, it's an "[object Object]" ..
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17:28.27GAN900special, SUPPOSED to be overnight.
17:28.56specialit'd be awesome if it arrived today..
17:29.44wazdfiferboy: MohammadAG: looks like the exact thing we need to send files is file manager :P
17:30.28alteregoOh well, sorted out what I wanted to sort out ..
17:30.37alterego(I think)
17:31.07fiferboywazd: Yes, that would be helpful :)
17:31.56GAN900Took 3 days here.
17:32.13GAN900Because Nokia and DHL combine into Captain Failplanet.
17:33.52fiferboyGAN900: And because during the weekend they just circle the Atlantic
17:34.06wazdfiferboy: now we need to know if anyone's already working on it, cause it's not that thing that can be done easily I suppose :D
17:34.31fiferboywazd: Some people have definitely been working on them, but I don't know what project is furthest toward usable
17:35.01RST38hpleads to someone to help him with passing the values to/from qml code
17:35.18alteregoRST38h: C++ to QML?
17:35.23alteregoAnd visa versa?
17:35.23RST38hI can get the rootContext(), but the QML code does not appear to be able of writing to rootContext()
17:35.26RST38hyes
17:35.39RST38hrootobject() returns 0 so I cannot accessindividual objects
17:35.51RST38hmostlikely because the qml hierarchy has not been created yet
17:36.49fiferboyRST38h: I found the easiest way it to have a class with Q_PROPERTY set
17:37.02RST38hand?
17:37.16fiferboyPass the class to rootContext (as, say "appData") and you can access those properties with appData.propName
17:37.27alteregoWell, I'd create some simple QObject singleton, with some defined Q_PROPERTY things :)
17:37.29RST38homg
17:37.30alteregoYeah ..
17:37.41RST38hI have a class, of course
17:37.49RST38hbut it all sounds like bullshit
17:38.05alteregoIt's even more fun when you setContextProperty"app, this) :)
17:38.06RST38hwhy not just let people access root context from qml with :property or .property or something?
17:38.08n900evilI have the flasher, but it won't accept a -0wait-charging flag
17:38.15n900evilthoughts?
17:39.08fiferboyRST38h: I don't know about the decisions behind it, but I tried other ways and Q_PROPERTY was the only way I could modify the var within C++ AND QML
17:43.50specialdamn - called DHL, it was supposed to arrive tomorrow, they're rescheduling for monday
17:43.58specialinconveniently timed vacation :|
17:54.31GAN900lol
17:54.35GAN900Hooray DHL.
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18:07.22lardmanevening all
18:08.18lardmandoes some cursing of DBus communication in Qt applications
18:08.38fiferboyHi lardman
18:08.43fiferboyHow's the family?
18:09.04lardmanfiferboy: still not popped out, Sunday is D-day ;)
18:09.09lardmanfiferboy: and how's yours?
18:09.31fiferboyWe're doing good, having fun in the Canadian summer :)
18:09.51crevetorfiferboy: where in canada are you ?
18:10.03fiferboycrevetor: Hamilton, On
18:10.06lardmanI'm jealous, weather is decent here but I've got a cold and Holly is obviously not too bothered to be out in the sun
18:10.22crevetorfiferboy: ok
18:10.50fiferboylardman: My wife is happy not to be pregnant this summer. Too hot :)
18:10.51crevetorHow many N950 owners in canada ? I think 3
18:11.00fiferboycrevetor: You're in Canada?
18:11.07crevetorfiferboy: yes, Montreal
18:11.19lardmanfiferboy: when's she due?
18:11.22fiferboycrevetor: Assuming you have an N950, that makes five I know of
18:11.41crevetorI do. That's more than I knew of. Who are they ?
18:11.42djszapihi fiferboy :)
18:11.53fiferboylardman: She's not due.  But two years ago when she WAS pregnant the summer was nice and mild
18:12.15fiferboycrevetor: me, you, qole, eipi, hawaii
18:12.21fiferboyHi djszapi
18:12.51crevetorfiferboy: ok
18:13.03djszapififerboy: Could you explain how you solved the tableview issue ? http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/
18:13.06djszapithis way ?
18:13.24lardmanfiferboy: Sorry, am feeling slightly addled with cold, I should learn to read
18:15.03fiferboylardman: Summer colds are the worst, I understand :D
18:15.31lardmanserves me right for being on holiday I guess ;)
18:16.21fiferboydjszapi: You are trying to use a C++ model with a tableview?
18:16.50djszapififerboy: I would like to have a table in my qml application using a C++ model.
18:17.07djszapiand as the guy writes on that page: you have a listview and that is it.
18:18.02fiferboydjszapi: I suppose you can make a GridView element look like a table view
18:18.28fiferboyI haven't worked with grid view, but if you make the height/width properly it will look table-ish
18:21.05djszapithat is not really the point
18:21.29fiferboyI must not understand what issue you are having
18:21.29djszapithe point is that you cannot avoid that what you can by using QTableView in C++ which is to not deal with the columns actually.
18:22.00fiferboyAh yes, that. I think we talked about this before
18:22.15fiferboyWith a C++ model you need to access by rolename
18:22.23djszapiI prefer listview + column deal over gridview + column deal
18:22.47fiferboySo assign a rolename for each column (ie rolename[Qt::UserRole+1] = 'name';)
18:22.48djszapiwell, it is not really rolename, is it :)
18:22.55djszapiI would not actually do that
18:23.00djszapisince it mixes up the things
18:23.10djszapiI would just make an enum for the numbers, that is
18:23.15djszapirole is a bit different concept
18:23.16fiferboyThen in your model class re-implement the data function
18:26.43npmwhat's the "harmattan" way of ensuring there's only one instance of an app, versus the "meego" way. Is there a generic qt way of doing this that's platform independent?
18:28.43djszapinpm: well, it sounds weird...
18:28.50npmhttp://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/8132
18:28.51djszapikdevelop did its session management for that...
18:29.18n900evilOdd.
18:29.24npmi believe at least the meego tablet ux has that...
18:29.46n900evilFlashing doesn't work under 2.6.33 for me
18:30.28n900evilcompiled fresh 3.0 and it works simply
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18:35.04fiferboynpm: In your dekstop file you can set exec to '/usr/bin/single-instance /path/to/binary'
18:35.21fiferboynpm: That is Harmattan only, AFAIK
18:39.23npmfiferboy: thanks... i was trying that. wanted to see whether "Exec=invoker --single-instance --type=d /opt/Qt-Complex-Harmattan/bin/Qt-Complex-Harmattan" was recognized by other meegos checking in now in order to compile on other platforms...
18:39.50npmbecause "invoker" is used on MeeGo tablet UX.
18:40.34npmand my goals are to make apps work on both
18:42.08fiferboynpm: Ah, I have heard weird things about invoker not honouring single-instance on Harmattan
18:42.20fiferboynpm: Have you found that?
18:42.41fiferboyAlso, single-instance doesn't work in a package deployed from Qt Creator (AFAICT)
18:44.12npmfiferboy: i'll find out. and yes, single instance wouldn't work through qtcreator... fortunately for harmattan, it pre-kills before running a new instance
18:44.50fiferboynpm: But if you leave the deployed package on the system and run it through the desktop file, you can end up with multiple instances
18:48.36djszapififerboy: do you understand this description ? It does not use a C++ model, thus it might need a bit more consideration for that case: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/26/table-view-with-qt-quick/
18:49.26hardakerI've *got* to finish this outstanding project so I can play with code for the 950.  it's driving me nuts watching this chat room while not tinkering
18:51.22npmfiferboy:works on tablet too "Exec=invoker --single-instance --type=d /opt/qmltube/bin/qmltube"
18:52.10fiferboydjszapi: Yes, but I haven't looked at the TableView element that Jens evidently wrote
18:52.33fiferboyIt should work with a C++ model too, as long as you assign the *roles*
18:52.39npmtrying on harmattan next
18:55.13djszapififerboy: nope, it has nothing to do with roles.
18:55.55djszapiroles != column numbers in theory.
18:57.02fiferboydjszapi: That is true, but it is the *only* way I know of to access multiple columns in QML from a C++ abstract model
18:57.06fiferboyIf you know another way, please tell me
18:59.09fiferboyOtherwise, I am going to continue to equate _roles_ with _columns_ because I have ways to make them functionally the same in QML
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19:10.40RST38hok. qml stuff kinda works. very slow to startthough
19:10.55RST38hisn't sure users will want to wait for 3-5seconds
19:11.31alteregoprestart
19:11.36alteregoWhat app is it?
19:14.15RST38halterego: any of my apps
19:14.18RST38hLet us say speccy
19:14.35alteregoHrm, well, dunno then :)
19:14.53alteregoMaybe load the app dynamically and show a quick splash page first.
19:15.05RST38hmeh
19:15.28RST38honce again wonders if using html would have been a better performing choice than qml
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19:15.31rcgRST38h: there are some measures that claim to speed up the start
19:15.47rcgthough, a splash would be good in anyway imho
19:16.10alteregoThat's how iOS does it
19:16.14alteregoAnd a few Nokia maemo/meego apps too ..
19:16.37RST38hmeh.
19:16.38rcghttp://library.developer.nokia.com/topic/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/guide/html/main.html
19:16.45rcgerr
19:17.23GAN900RST38h, supposedly faster in newer releases.
19:17.23rcgoh.. its actually the correct link
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19:17.51rcgRST38h: above link should direct you to: "Optimising application startup" in the docs
19:18.25RST38haha thanks
19:19.27Ilosanoma(Ovi) Store application has been updated for N950 devices. After updating you can download stuff. What's the best fart app for this device?
19:20.20IlosanomaThere's surprisingly quite lots of apps. I haven't tried any if they actually work though.
19:20.37thpRST38h: also, "invoker" supports preloading of qt libs automatically + a splash screen
19:20.50thpRST38h: so ideally, just using the right command line in the .desktop file should speed things up a bit already
19:21.22RST38haha, trying
19:21.36thpinvoker --help gives some helpful output
19:21.41RST38hwill invoker also pass extra arguments to my executable, if I place them after executable name?
19:21.57thpUsage: invoker [options] [--type=TYPE] [file] [args]
19:21.59thpso apparently, yes
19:22.23thpyou can also use it to single-instance your app
19:22.37RST38hah perrrfect
19:22.44RST38hlet us see how well it works
19:23.35RST38hnaaah, no change
19:23.44thpdid you use --type=d ?
19:24.08RST38hused --type=e
19:24.43thpoh, also the --help output says the boosting thingie works for apps compiled as shared libs or with '-pie'
19:26.19RST38hmeh.
19:26.55RST38hlikes watching engineers create problems for themselves, then heroically solve these problems by creating more problems
19:27.30SpeedEvilWithout actually asking around if there is a common widely deployed solution invented 40 years ago.
19:27.39thpwell, the problems that engineers solve and don't create additional problems won't be visible to you, because they have been solved.
19:29.18RST38htrue
19:29.43RST38hbut the remaining ones tend to snowball though
19:34.29RST38hgot a stupid question:
19:34.46RST38hinside QML,how do I turn "file:///aaa/ffff/ggg/eee" into just "eee"?
19:35.04RST38h(hint: JS standard regex functions appear to fail)
19:35.37rm_workregex fails? O_o
19:35.42rm_workor do you fail at regex? :P
19:36.28RST38hfunctions fail, not regex itself
19:38.08rm_workhrm, strange
19:38.32rm_workhaven't tried, but was assuming it was a full javascript engine... and regex seems an odd thing to leave out
19:40.48Ilosanomaregexps should work in the javascript
19:40.55Ilosanomayou have a code snippet to paste?
19:41.41RST38hqml:Config.qml:411: TypeError: Result of expression 'folderList.folder.lastIndexOf' [undefined] is not a function.
19:42.00RST38hFolderList.folder property is supposed to be a string but is not
19:44.25IlosanomaRST38h: I'm a QML newbie myself, so take this with a grain of salt. But I'm of the impression that while properties can be used in javascript, they're not javascript objects. So create the pattern matching in a handler (or somewhere else in QML where JS is valid) and manipulate the property there
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19:46.37ArkenoiI wish ovi store had big button "hide forever all bookmarks pretending to be apps". wait, what? almost no apps remain?
19:46.57Arkenoibut that's fair at least
19:47.02Ilosanomalol really? So it's like the Chrome appstore
19:47.40wazdIlosanoma: it's like any other appstore out there
19:48.12IlosanomaI'm so out of touch with these crazy times, I have no experience with appstores.
19:50.32Arkenoibtw still no angry birds nor messaging plugins for accounts
19:50.55RST38his tired of saying "meh" tonight
19:51.02SpeedEvilI'm not seeing the huge difference beteween  fullscreen avascript in-browser-loaded-from-disk app, and a 'proper' app
19:51.35RST38hwazd: haven't done the ti84+se skin yet? =)
19:52.41wazdRST38h: ah, you forgot to tell me where to move what :D
19:52.51IlosanomaSpeedEvil: usually start-up time, latency, and integrating with platform's style is better with "native" apps.
19:53.22wazdRST38h: you need straight buttons without curves?
19:54.15RST38hwazd: just need all the buttons and screen to be at the same positions as in TI83 skin
19:55.33Arkenoibtw 3 of 5 programs from ovi store i tried did not install because of missing deps
19:55.36IlosanomaArkenoi: Judging from qgil's mesasge on meego forum, third party apps are not likely to be available until final firmware (that N9 is released with) is done. I sure miss myself gtalk plugin.
19:56.20Arkenoiand what confuses me is that apt-get upgrade seems to be totally indpendent from app store "check for updates"
19:57.00RST38hhow have you got the app store in the first place?
19:57.04RST38hsays "coming soon" here
19:58.00ArkenoiRST38h: reloaded updates via menu, and wow -- it started working.  and apt-get upgrade *WON'T* get you there, you need to use GUI.
19:59.24IlosanomaThat's kinda annoying.
19:59.35RST38hArkenoi: what updates?
20:00.05ArkenoiRST38h: via settings menu
20:00.07IlosanomaRST38h: Settings -> Applications -> Manage Applications
20:00.35RST38hah!
20:00.44RST38hchecking
20:01.59RST38hAnother weird question: my flickable appears to overlap the label at the top of my window
20:02.05RST38hwhen I flick it, I mean
20:02.17RST38hHow do I make the label background opaque???
20:03.21fiferboyRST38h: You need the proper stacking order
20:03.37fiferboyDeclare the label _after_ the flickable, or set the "z" property
20:03.39SpeedEvilI go to create a nokia account, and it doesn't work.
20:03.53SpeedEvilAnyone else hit htis? Service unavailable
20:04.01RST38hfiferboy: ah interesting, so what do I set it to? which direction is "up"?
20:04.37IlosanomaSpeedEvil: there's a thread in meego forum about that issue. Do you have time synch from service provider on? Some reported success using that.
20:05.17fiferboyRST38h: Bigger is in front, I think
20:05.24SpeedEvilMy provider has broken time-sync
20:05.44SpeedEvilpokes around.
20:06.15RST38hfiferboy: thanks
20:06.24RST38hArkanoid: doesnot let me install stuff
20:07.21wazdRST38h: got it
20:08.30RST38hfiferboy: is there a gallery of default theme icons somewhere? (looking for the UP arrow to show "parent folder")
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20:13.40fiferboyRST38h: Not that I know of :/
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20:14.24ajalkaneRST38h: but go and explore in /usr/share/themes/blanco, the up-arrow is in the sub folders.
20:14.25fiferboyI typically change to /usr/share/themes/blanco and 'ls -R |grep up' then investigate likely candidates
20:14.38RST38hyea, tried that, no catch
20:15.03ajalkaneRST38h: you mean the back arrow? The one pointing left?
20:15.14RST38hI need one pointing up.
20:15.16fiferboyRST38h: icon-m-toolbar-up ?
20:15.21RST38hAh!
20:15.24RST38hthanks thanks thans
20:15.40fiferboy:D
20:15.45RST38halthough the toolbar one may not be ideal, the dialog one would be
20:16.09RST38hicon-m-common-something
20:16.22ajalkanethe dialog what? Anyway, as far as I've investigated they all are inside the themes folder
20:16.46fiferboyRST38h:
20:16.54fiferboymeegotouch-slider-handle-label-arrow-up.png ?
20:17.08RST38humgh! worth a try =)
20:17.43RST38hlooks like I have killed the device
20:17.57javispedrois it me or is the harmattan store a complete qa... disaster?
20:18.03RST38hno it is back up
20:18.18RST38hjavispedro: we are not supposed to use it yet, so I guess it is ok
20:18.36javispedrothere's an application called "photos from manuz73" which does exactly that, show photos from some guy.
20:18.48RST38hheh
20:20.31javispedrothe numbers and average usefulness indicates to me that it is probably easier to get the app listed in ovistore than apps.formeego.com =)
20:20.33ajalkanelol
20:20.36fiferboyRST38h: Did that image crash your phone?
20:27.16RST38hfiferboy: Nah, I think Ovi Store did
20:27.27fiferboyWhew
20:27.30RST38hfiferboy: the toolbar-up image is actually pretty good, using it
20:29.08javispedroyeah, during package installation the entire phone freezes for quite a while
20:29.17javispedroquite worse than n900, and it is because of aegis
20:29.18RST38hI could not install a single package
20:29.45fiferboyjavispedro: Because you have gravely insulted aegis
20:29.48javispedro(benchmark dpkg vs dpkg.real several times in a row and notice how dpkg takes virtually 10x the time of dpkg.real)
20:30.23javispedroevil me :)
20:30.40fiferboyYou of all people should know better
20:31.16javispedroMy own godly powers are increasing though, He already wanted to selfdestruct on my device but I prevented Him from doing so so far
20:31.49RST38hjavispedro: You should start writing "My" and "he"
20:31.50fiferboy:-O
20:32.05fiferboyThe transition hasn't fully taken place yet
20:32.13RST38hActually, degrade the motherfucking subsystem to "it", does not deserve more.
20:38.21javispedroRST38h: I was able to install this guy's photos as well as the anglemeter thing (same as on the n900 only a bit speedier)
20:38.24javispedronothing more
20:38.35RST38hscary stuff
20:38.47RST38hok, let us extend this set by one
20:39.14javispedrodo tell if you find anything that is also installable
20:39.23javispedroah, videos also could be "installed"
20:39.48GAN900javispedro, iOS is so faaast on the package idiocy
20:39.49ajalkanein some apps there's comments from nokia folks (using N9 I gather). Would figure those should be installable.
20:39.59GAN900and doesn't block
20:40.16GAN900ajalkane, they have newer firmware than we do.
20:40.52ajalkaneGAN900: Well... yes. Could break things.
20:41.20GAN900It's unreasonable not to be able to remove more than one package at a time.
20:43.30RST38hok, sleep time
20:46.30SpeedEvilNight.
20:47.12SpeedEvilSome other people have mentioned logging into nokia account by name.
20:47.23SpeedEvilIs this just the whatever@youreamiladress part?
20:47.32SpeedEvilthe whatever that is
20:47.36javispedrooh btw, did you fix the reboot loop SpeedEvil?
20:47.53ieatlinti just have a nokia account with the name "ieatlint"
20:47.56SpeedEviljavispedro: It was some wierd thing where 2.6.33 would not properly flash
20:47.58javispedroit's without the @emailadresspart afaik
20:48.07SpeedEvil3.0 works
20:48.12SpeedEvilI have no clue why
20:48.14javispedroheh
20:48.18javispedrocutting edge
20:48.27SpeedEvilis pissed off.
20:48.49SpeedEvilThey pulled powersaving support for my laptop wireless card, as it's broke for some.
20:49.02wazdI've installed Elements
20:49.11wazdif anyone cares :D
20:49.12SpeedEvilDisabled it in one kernel version, which was easy to revert, an ripped it out in the next, which isn't so
20:49.24SpeedEvilsings the elements song.
20:49.55javispedroSpeedEvil: and you are now discovering why I am quite slow while updating kernels, why I have a "patches" folder that is on the few megabytes size, and why I use gentoo :)
20:50.45SpeedEvilis pondering moving from slackware.
20:51.01wazddamn, the only useful app in the whole store has missing dependencies
20:51.15wazdbloody currency converter
20:51.24javispedroheh
20:51.29ieatlintthere's a store?
20:52.16Arkenoiand coin flip cannot use accelerometer *facepalm*
20:52.25Arkenoicoin toss it is called, yes
20:53.37wazdlife without flash is kinda boring
20:54.01wazdHTML5 is really overrated right now
20:54.16SpeedEvilponders writing a client for certain flash websites.
20:54.17wazdCan't do almost anything I did on N900 :(
20:54.30ieatlintthere will be flash coming to the harmattan methinks
20:54.42SpeedEvilidly wonders if you can jam the n900 flash plugin into te browser.
20:54.45SpeedEvilProably not.
20:54.50ajalkaneAdobe can bring flash plugin if it wants to :-D
20:54.55ieatlintback at the meego conference, i had lunch with a nokia employee who told me her job was to get flash working on an unnamed meego phone
20:55.32alteregoieatlint: yeah, unnamed and never to be released :P
20:55.36javispedrohe/she still works at nokia?
20:55.44ieatlintno idea
20:55.57ieatlintshe said most of her job was getting the mic and front facing camera to interface with the plugin
20:56.17javispedronot even the aegis original designer works at nokia any more...
20:56.44ieatlintyeah, but i wonder if he ditchd after 2/11
20:56.56ieatlintwhich, btw, 6 month anniversary tomorrow :P
20:57.02ajalkaneI hope elopacolypse is over by end of Q1/2012. The guy is likable, he even answered my e-mails about the Meego phone, but he's kinda simple in his WP obsession.
20:57.39SpeedEvilieatlint: Neat.
20:57.51SpeedEvilieatlint: (frontcam)
20:58.05ieatlintanyway, i was careful to say that i think there will be flash
20:58.11ieatlintnot that there will be
20:58.28ieatlintspeaking in absolutes when talking about nokia is never a good idea
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20:58.33SpeedEvilI was almost going to say I can't imagine nokia launching without flash.
20:58.52ieatlintin fact, the only thing i'll say about nokia in speaking in absolutes is to say a wp7 will come out sometime in the next 12 months :P
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20:59.09apolhi, I just compiled my QWidget application from Fremantle, is there any way to fix its uglyness? :P
20:59.10GAN900ieatlint, you went to the conference?
20:59.15ajalkaneGoddamn it's being too hard to get the apps look like the native apps. Anyone figured out already what are the correct sizes / colors for the ListView items when there is the main text and the smaller text underneath it?
20:59.21ieatlintGAN900: yeah
20:59.32ieatlintthere was free beer, of course i went
20:59.40ajalkaneapol: rewrite with QML :)
20:59.56GAN900ieatlint, must've missed you.
21:00.17ieatlintshame... probably ran into each other at one point or another
21:00.26GAN900Quite possibly
21:00.29apolajalkane: that's not funny
21:01.05GAN900Somebody really needs to get a nick field on the nametags for the next conference.
21:01.11ajalkaneapol: AFAIK I'm afraid that's the path. There's some rudimentary Qt stylings included, but they're deprecated
21:01.11ieatlintnormally i can just say i was the white scrawny geek, but i think i kind of blended in at that conference
21:01.21javispedroGAN900: _what_ next conference? ;)
21:01.37GAN900and make the text usefully large so you don't have to put your nose in the other person's chest to read it.
21:01.49GAN900javispedro, Android, duh.
21:01.58GAN900ieatlint, yeah. . . .
21:02.07ieatlinti'm hoping to be at qt dev days in munich, definitely will be at qt dev days in sf
21:03.20wazdGAN900: I remember fiferboy was smart enough to use company name as nick :D
21:03.55javispedro_could_ actually go to an Android conference as long as they still have that smoothie bar thing they had on MWC.
21:04.19GAN900wazd, yes.
21:04.34GAN900and qole put it in as part of his first name in Dublin.
21:05.18ieatlinti just got a badge that said "Stephen Elop" instead
21:05.46GAN900lol
21:05.50GAN900I heard about that
21:05.57GAN900but I don't think I ever saw the badge.
21:07.40ieatlinti'm also happy to see that based on yesterday's news, i will have to be importing an n9 into the US
21:07.45ieatlintbastards..
21:07.47fiferboywazd: Well, smart enough to sharpie it in over my company name :)
21:07.56fiferboyGot to go, talk later
21:08.32ajalkaneieatlint: I'm pretty sure N9 will come available in US during 2012. But if you're in hurry you must import.
21:08.55ieatlintdepends on the price
21:08.58ieatlintbut yeah..
21:09.03GAN900ieatlint, hope there'll be some sort of dev program for the N9.
21:09.19ieatlintGAN900: i'm pretty sure the n950 is that dev program
21:09.42ieatlintperhaps i just need to convince them i have some nfc use that they should give me an n9 for
21:09.46GAN900Well, they've done loaner and discount programs separately in the past.
21:10.12GAN900September protos, Summit protos and then DDP.
21:10.13ajalkaneieatlint: qgil hinted that the n950 dev program is pretty much over, and the next devices to be handed out if there will be any will be N9
21:10.30ieatlintajalkane: yeah, but if they handed me an n950, i doubt they'll hand me an n9
21:10.40ajalkaneieatlint: true.
21:10.44ieatlinti'll just lean on quim
21:10.53ieatlintmaybe convince him on the nfc angle :)
21:11.16GAN900Hehe
21:11.18ajalkaneyeah, the nfc angle is the winner thing. I'm already doing my malicious plotting on that too.
21:11.41ieatlinti've already done an nfc app for symbian :)
21:12.10ajalkaneyou're well established then to get n9. I have only evil plans :(
21:12.24ieatlintwill see
21:12.41ieatlinti'd also be somewhat content with DDP even just making them available for purchase
21:12.59javispedroDo not worry, the next you'll hear from Nokia is that they're shipping the promised WP7 devices for launchpad devs. the next mail you'll receive afterwards will tell you where the bankruptcy auction for Nokia, Inc. assets will be scheduled.
21:13.09ajalkaneBut my wife likes N950, so she'll probably get N9. So in a way, maybe I do too.
21:13.26ieatlintit'll never go to auction
21:13.32ieatlintremember, microsoft has a lot of cash on hand
21:13.52javispedrotouché.
21:14.25ajalkaneWP will be a disaster, I have no doubts about that. Either Nokia gets bought out or they reverse the course. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying developing.
21:15.00ieatlinti don't see another decent gnu/linux phone on the horizon, so i need to try and get as much time out of the n9/50 as i can :(
21:15.46ajalkaneieatlint: yeah exactly what I'm thinking also. This phone is really the first one that hit my excitement nerves.
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21:17.03antman8969how to open source developers handle selling their applications?
21:17.29ieatlintby putting them in the ovi/nokia store with a price tag?
21:17.47antman8969specifially... stopping people from downloading the source and building
21:17.57antman8969or else, whats the point of sellling
21:17.58ajalkaneantman8969: uh?
21:18.10antman8969for mobile
21:18.15ieatlintuh, there is no stopping people from doing that
21:18.15ajalkanethere's lots of point selling. Most users can't bother with building.
21:18.25ajalkaneWhat's the point of open source if you can't build it?
21:18.26rcgantman8969: well pretty obviously it won't be open source then anymore
21:18.40antman8969lol well right rcg
21:18.55ieatlintplus supporting independent developers is something even people who can build it like to do
21:19.04GAN900Wish I could stockpile N950s.
21:19.09antman8969mm
21:19.12GAN900Went through 3 N900s. :/
21:19.35antman8969was curious... wanted to put up a 1$ app but didn't know how to go about it
21:19.47ajalkaneMy children are gungho about getting the "Meego" on their hands. I've been protective.
21:19.48javispedroantman8969: support
21:19.56antman8969support?
21:20.12javispedroyou don't receive any money = you can walk away and never answer a question about the application, never update it, never fix the problems that arise.
21:20.22ajalkaneantty: just put it to Ovi, publish sources. Most people prefer the ease of installation instead of building.
21:20.35ajalkaneWhat was it... Nanoparticles. The game for N900, was done that way.
21:20.39javispedroyou receive money = you are attached to it. That's how at I least would like the world to work :)
21:21.06antman8969lol I agree javispedro, the app is simple enough so that the commitment woudln't be a burden
21:21.15antman8969but I agree, if it costs something, it's going to be perfect..
21:21.16javispedroit _will_ be a burden.
21:22.02antman8969ok, I meant supporting the app I have in mind won't be a _significant_ burden, hopefully outweighed by the gains
21:22.28SpeedEvilI truly hope the store works for commercial stuff.
21:22.45antman8969everyone got the store update today right?
21:22.47SpeedEvilI know I'd like to buy angry birds extra level pack on my n900, as well as some more levels for bounce.
21:22.50SpeedEvilantman8969: yes
21:23.04SpeedEvilantman8969: But, it doesn't work as it won't let me login to a nokia account.
21:23.10ieatlintoooh, store update, no
21:23.12antman8969hmm, works ofr me lol
21:23.12ieatlintchecks
21:23.20antman8969donwloaded 3 or 4 apps
21:23.25antman8969useless crap, but just to test
21:23.26ajalkaneI think on mobiles open source + commercialization can work quite well
21:23.33SpeedEvilajalkane: Possibly.
21:23.40MohammadAGwazd, any designs for that BT file sender?
21:23.48javispedroSpeedEvil: have you been able to login using the "Accounts" application in the launcher?
21:23.55antman8969speedevil, theres an angry birds level builder
21:23.59SpeedEviljavispedro: no
21:24.09ieatlintmy n950 always checks for updates at ~5:30pm
21:24.17javispedroSpeedEvil: letmeguess: "temporary failure" or "service not available at the moment" or similar error banner?
21:24.24MohammadAGmy N950 misses skype
21:24.24SpeedEvilService unavailable
21:24.27javispedroSpeedEvil: reflash
21:24.35antman8969lol
21:24.37antman8969really?
21:24.40javispedroyes
21:24.41MohammadAGAccounts works for me?
21:24.42SpeedEviljavispedro: Err - what?
21:24.46SpeedEviljavispedro: I just reflashed
21:24.59javispedroSpeedEvil: aegis is for some reason broken on your device
21:25.20javispedronever understood what causes that, but reflashing fixes it. Both DocScrutinizer and me experience it.
21:25.21antman8969could it be a proxy issue? something less drastic?
21:25.23javispedro*experienced.
21:25.32SpeedEvilmehs.
21:25.48javispedroSpeedEvil: and if you doubt whether it is Aegis or not, just strace the binary.
21:25.53MohammadAGjavispedro, you can't log into what?
21:25.54SpeedEvilI'll do it tomorrow - as I'll need to reboot.
21:26.10javispedroyou will see how it not does _any single network related call_ but rather writes and reads to aegis socket
21:26.15MohammadAGdoes reflashing rootfs only clear user data?
21:26.32ieatlintMohammadAG: reflashing rootfs only does not clear user data
21:26.36rcgMohammadAG: what do you mean?
21:26.40ieatlintit will clear passwords though
21:26.56rcgi reflashed once and the only thing which was note overwritten was the security code i had set
21:27.00rcg*not
21:27.20MohammadAGieatlint, not even /home?
21:27.23ieatlintthe OCF by default will erase the entire device
21:27.30MohammadAGrcg, one click flasher flashes everything
21:27.44MohammadAGoh so it's not like iOS?
21:27.44ieatlint(except the security code)
21:27.47rcgyep.. used the one click one
21:27.57ieatlintuh, i don't know if /home entirely was untouched
21:27.57rcgwhat flasher are you talking about?
21:28.02MohammadAGafaik user data lives in rootfs there rather than a separate partition
21:28.07ajalkaneI thought in QML the "import <package> <version>" was so that you could work with newer versions also. However, when I tried using import with 1.0 when I had 1.1 libraries it didn't work. Doh
21:28.16ieatlinti know MyDocs was untocuhed, and all the accounts i had setup were still there, but it didn't remember my passwords
21:28.21ieatlintand prompted me for each
21:29.08antman8969ajalkane that just depends on if that version is installed or not
21:30.36rcgieatlint: which flasher had you been using?
21:30.58ieatlintuh, the regular harmattan flasher
21:31.00ieatlint3.11 i think
21:31.16ieatlint3.11.5
21:31.16rcghmm ic.. i just found the ocf so far
21:31.41ajalkaneantman8969: but you can't (?) have several versions installed, for example 1.0 and 1.1. So if you write an app for 1.0, and the target device has 1.1 it won't work.
21:31.43ieatlintoh, yeah, the only image out is in that ocf package
21:31.50SpeedEviljavispedro: yeah - not disbelieving, just annoyed as I need to debug my laptop properly before doing it.
21:31.58ieatlintyou can unpack the OCF and get the image
21:32.02MohammadAGrcg, run it, you'll find all bins in /tmp
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21:32.24rcgah, great
21:32.32rcgthanks MohammadAG, ieatlint
21:32.46antman8969well, you can ajalkane. What makes you say that?
21:32.53rcghopefully i'll remember that the next time i need to reflash :)
21:32.54ieatlintor on linux, just look at the OCF in a good text editor.. the first bit of it is a shell script that tells you how to extract it
21:33.07antman8969ajalkane you could use qtquick 1.0 with harmattan for example
21:33.15rcgright, will do :)
21:33.21antman8969ajalkane or am I misunderstanding you
21:35.32ajalkaneantman8969: I tried using import com.nokia.meego 1.0 with qt-compontents I had build from git, which were of version 1.1. They did not work unless I used import ... 1.0
21:35.40ajalkaneI mean import ... 1.1
21:35.55antman8969you were using the n950? or a desktop?
21:36.22ajalkaneantman8969: on desktop. N950 has 1.0 i think.
21:36.29antman8969yea
21:36.49antman8969I've actually never been able to compile and run perfectly on Desktop, but you can have multiple versions installed
21:37.03antman8969if you check in /usr/lib/qt4/imports you should see what you need
21:37.26antman8969theres a different problem there
21:37.28antman8969imo
21:37.39ajalkaneI ended up renaming in desktop the definitions in qmldir to 1.0 and then it worked fine in Desktop using 1.0 and also on device. But it made me suspicious if the import works with previous versions
21:38.03antman8969you also could have make a link with ln but yea
21:38.31antman8969should be fine
21:38.41ajalkaneantman8969: I don't really understand, because in /usr/lib/qt4/imports there is no version number in folder name (?)
21:39.17apolhow can I make it to get QML Components in the Qt SDK's QtCreator? I can compile stuff, but I can't add anything further than the basics
21:39.27antman8969I think it's just defined in the qmldir file
21:39.52antman8969I had a faq about this... sec
21:40.20ajalkaneantman8969: the qt-components in git, that I built, created a directory extras.1.1. But it wouldn't work with import until I renamed it as extras (without the 1.1)
21:41.30ajalkaneapol: what do you mean? You want Qt-components so that you can run them in desktop? Or use in Qt designer?
21:42.24apolajalkane: in the QtCreator QML designer
21:43.16ajalkaneapol: Okay... I'm not sure if that's possible at the moment. I don't know a way to do that.
21:43.39apolok
21:43.47apolso how do I start the Qemu?
21:43.59apoldo I have to install my system's or it's in the SDK?
21:44.06ajalkaneapol: it's in the system
21:44.19ajalkanejust make sure you're running against the harmattan meego api target
21:44.42ajalkaneby default the SDK uses the harmattan api target, and QEMU won't start with that
21:44.45apolajalkane: it says that it can't run because qemu is not running
21:44.53apolah ah ah
21:44.55apolok
21:45.32apolQemu finished with error: Exit code was 127. <<
21:45.36ajalkaneI wrote something about my early troubles here, might be useful: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/07/setting-up-qt-sdk-for-meego-harmattan.html
21:50.02apolis it possible to put a qml-only project in a package? I don't get that option when building...
21:50.57ajalkaneas far as I've understood, it's possible. But I haven't done it so can't say anyting about it. Most likely you have to modify the .desktop file so that it launches qmlviewer
21:52.15apolajalkane: but qmlviewer is not in harmattan!
21:53.05ajalkaneapol: it was named something slightly different in harmattan I think. I might remember wrong.
21:53.31apolinvestigates...
21:54.25hardakerqt4-declarative-qmlviewer: /usr/bin/qmlviewer
21:54.38hardakerbut, um, its an interesting differentn problem.
21:55.29apolhardaker: this package isn't in the bundled repositories
21:55.43apolwe can't tell users to add repos to get our apps to work
21:55.50hardakeroh, maybe not.
21:55.58hardakerno, you should compile it into a real ap.
21:56.06hardakerqmlviewer makes for nice faster testing though.
21:56.12hardakerif it worked, which it doesn't quite.
21:56.22MekI thought qmlviewer on harmattan didn't even work properly?
21:56.47hardakerit really doesn't.
21:57.29ajalkanewhat's its' major malfunction?
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21:57.52TSCHAKeeehas anyone heard anything about a firmware update for the n950?
21:58.04TSCHAKeeeyou know..to add...skype..and those last few things missing? ;)
21:58.16hardakerIt, um launches a very x-looking window and doesn't look like it works at all.
21:58.24hardakerI figured it was just my qml file though.
21:58.33hardakerI tried it in 5 seconds and figured I'd debug later, but haven't.
21:58.38hardakerapparently it's not just me.
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21:58.55ajalkaneTSCHAKeee: last thing heard that firmware with third party apps out when n9 firmware is release ready
21:59.09TSCHAKeeeok
21:59.35TSCHAKeeei'm still very depressed that the N9 will not be readily available in the States
21:59.47TSCHAKeeeit's gonna cost a fortune getting it on the grey market
22:00.26mfilipeit will be release in Brazil near of R$2000,00 ( U$1200,00) :S
22:00.37ajalkaneTSCHAKeee: I do think it will be available during 2012, but grey market is what you need if you want it ASAP. The Elopcalypse can't last long.
22:00.38mfilipevery expensive
22:00.39TSCHAKeeeyup, i'm hearing similar quotes from other places
22:01.42TSCHAKeeenext time i see qgil, i'm just telling him i'm keeping the phone and i'll take the monetary hit :P
22:02.10javispedroajalkane: it will last long enough to bring the company to its kness
22:02.11TSCHAKeeeso angry... developing apps for a phone that....nobody will ever see.
22:02.13javispedro*knees.
22:02.22TSCHAKeeei feel like an Amiga user again
22:02.33javispedroTSCHAKeee: or a ... wait for it ... maemo developer!
22:02.55antman8969ooooh snap
22:03.22TSCHAKeeeand it is... the N9/N950 are the best devices nokia have ever developed
22:03.24ajalkanejavispedro: That's true. I have no idea what kind of imbeciles the board of directors are filled with, or there's something behind the scenes that's not revealed.
22:03.27TSCHAKeeethat's why I want to cry.
22:03.58TSCHAKeeeajalkane: they're being very short term.. right now, Android is the juggernaut
22:04.21ajalkaneNokia's only chance is that Symbian/N9/S40 will sell enough in Europe and developing nations that Nokia survives Elop.
22:04.25TSCHAKeeeand the cell guys who haven't gone Android (not counting Apple), are trying to find their own form of relevance.
22:04.32antman8969lol it's definitely the "behind the scenes" option... I don't see how this wasnt a covert M$ takeover
22:05.06TSCHAKeeeSymbian has spent the last two years rapidly eroding
22:05.36TSCHAKeeei mean, dear god, I haven't seen a market share decline that hard, since MS-DOS overtook CP/M after 1984.
22:05.42ajalkaneSymbian is eroding, but it can still bring in some cash.
22:05.48antman8969I kind of hope nokia fails now, I would really hate to see people using Microsoft phones
22:05.48TSCHAKeeeand from 1984, to 1987, CP/M completely died.
22:06.15mfilipeI have a Nokia 5800 that only cellphone that I adapted without problem... I like the Meego concept but I don't see advantage to buy N9 :(
22:06.27mfilipeit is Symbian
22:06.39TSCHAKeeeN9 is not Symbian.
22:06.44mfilipeno
22:06.46mfilipenokia 5800
22:06.50TSCHAKeee*nod*
22:07.09antman8969well, theres no point in buying anything nokia until wp7 gets rolling
22:07.20antman8969and even then, it's a gamble until after a year or so
22:07.30antman8969but why suport M$??
22:07.33javispedroantman8969: and when wp7 gets rolling, there's even less point.
22:07.41antman8969^^
22:07.44ajalkaneMy last phone before N950 was N95. It was great phone when it came out. Nothing after that, before N9/N950 interested me. I know I'll never buy WP phones. It's android if Nokia fucks itself.
22:08.32antman8969I'm interested in whats to come... Android isn't really that bad, but it's just not attractive coming from maemo
22:09.25mfilipeI don't found a yet a Android without problems... or you can't update or the battery life is very short or the hardware doesn't support correctly the so
22:09.26ajalkaneAndroid is not exciting like MeeGo/Maemo. But it'll do.
22:09.52antman8969pretty much ajalkane thats where I am. I'll do it till theres a better option
22:10.12antman8969the meego phone ux needs work too
22:10.47antman8969maybe they can legislate swipe away from Nokia :)
22:17.11rm_workyeah, here's hoping for a decent meego phone by the time my n950 breaks
22:18.15ajalkanesleep time
22:19.26antman8969recertied moto xoom for 400 on newegg http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-719447-_-08102011_4
22:19.41antman8969for some reason being sold with a linksys router?
22:20.06antman8969Does anyone here have a tablet that can make a case for why anyone should have one?
22:47.55ieatlintthat link points to earbuds
22:51.12ieatlinthaha, i like that the system info app is so happy to display your imsi
22:51.28SpeedEvilIMSI?
22:51.34SpeedEvilYou mean IMEI?
22:51.38ieatlintno, imsi
22:51.40ieatlintimei too
22:51.48SpeedEvilUnusual
22:51.56ieatlintyeah, and probably not the best idea
22:52.29ieatlintit's good to know that i just installed an app from a publisher other than nokia, with no security notice of any kind, that can access my IMSI
22:57.17ieatlintalso, we'll all be pleased to see this item in the store: "Justin Bieber Videos - The best videos and songs from Justin Bieber.  This is not the official app."
22:58.17javispedroieatlint: what, you thought aegis was there for your own protection?
22:58.35ieatlintin part, yes
22:58.50javispedroit is way too coarse grained for that in the current iteration
23:11.23javispedroone thing I do not understand is why harmattan doesn't have a ripple effect on figer down or similar
23:11.30javispedroiphone/webos-style
23:11.38javispedrothe capacitive screen being so sucky, it would help.
23:17.34MohammadAGiOS doesn't have a ripple effect
23:18.15javispedrouh.
23:34.42Elleois the store supposed to be working now?
23:35.01Elleoafter updating it I now just get either a page timeout style error, or it crashes
23:36.43ieatlintworks here
23:36.54Elleoodd
23:37.11Elleoperhaps it doesn't like the fact that I don't have a sim in there
23:37.18Elleoalthough I don't see why it should care
23:37.28ieatlintjust retries, now getting connection errors
23:37.33ieatlintsounds like nokia servers might be having issues
23:37.39Elleoah
23:38.10Elleostore.ovi.com shows a maintenance page
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