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| 00:17.57 | npm | the answer is to use . e/g/ simile-exhibit-webapp-images.files = exhibit/src/webapp/images/* not .....source with a directory |
| 00:18.29 | npm | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/qmake-environment-reference.html#installs |
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| 00:34.30 | rm_you | ~packrat |
| 00:34.30 | infobot | [packrat] http://www.ageofikon.info/prh/ |
| 00:34.40 | rm_you | BAH |
| 00:34.53 | rm_you | ~packrat is http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 00:34.53 | infobot | ...but packrat is already something else... |
| 00:35.06 | rm_you | ~packrat is not http://www.ageofikon.info/prh/ |
| 00:35.06 | infobot | ...but packrat is already something else... |
| 00:35.09 | rm_you | ~packrat is http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 00:35.09 | infobot | ...but packrat is already something else... |
| 00:35.19 | rm_you | GAH HOW DO I FIX INFOBOT T_T |
| 00:35.26 | rm_you | ~help |
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| 00:36.30 | rm_you | also bah no one has compiled VIM T_T |
| 00:39.05 | Elleo | macmaN, divan, spenap: There's now a package for x11vnc in my repository and you can see a demo of its performance here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEG42IQNmg |
| 00:40.29 | rm_you | fine, I'M building vim T_T |
| 00:43.55 | rm_you | no way.... it can't really be this easy... |
| 00:44.38 | SpeedEvil | ~forget packrat |
| 00:44.39 | infobot | SpeedEvil: i forgot packrat |
| 00:44.50 | rm_you | THANK YOU |
| 00:44.55 | SpeedEvil | ~packrat is a cute little rodent that keeps everything it finds. |
| 00:44.55 | infobot | SpeedEvil: okay |
| 00:45.02 | rm_you | T_T |
| 00:45.10 | rm_you | ~packrat is also http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 00:45.10 | infobot | rm_you: okay |
| 00:45.13 | rm_you | :P |
| 00:45.17 | rm_you | ~packrat |
| 00:45.17 | infobot | it has been said that packrat is a cute little rodent that keeps everything it finds. http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 00:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 00:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-26 02:34:30] <rm_you> ~packrat |
| 00:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-26 02:34:30] <infobot> [packrat] http://www.ageofikon.info/prh/ |
| 00:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-26 02:34:40] <rm_you> BAH |
| 00:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-26 02:34:53] <rm_you> ~packrat is http://www.ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 00:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 00:47.33 | rm_you | yes |
| 00:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | would you please elaborate what's wrong first instance that had to get fixed? |
| 00:47.44 | rm_you | domain |
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| 00:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 00:47.52 | rm_you | i cancelled my .info domain, only .com left |
| 00:47.58 | rm_you | but i still type it all the time by habit |
| 00:48.16 | SpeedEvil | just has one omain - a 4 letter .com |
| 00:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 00:49.05 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 00:49.20 | rm_you | lol, what is it speedevil? |
| 00:49.25 | SpeedEvil | qkwv |
| 00:49.35 | rm_you | lolk |
| 00:49.40 | rm_you | hey vim compiled |
| 00:49.41 | rm_you | srsly |
| 00:49.44 | SpeedEvil | I've not bothered fixing it up - I need to get some sane hosting behind it. |
| 00:50.08 | SpeedEvil | wonders if it's possible to type esc on the vkbd, |
| 00:50.25 | SpeedEvil | wonders if you could use microweiter - esque chording |
| 00:50.32 | SpeedEvil | microwriter |
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| 00:55.01 | SpeedEvil | ~forget xxxy |
| 00:55.01 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, SpeedEvil |
| 00:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget xxxy |
| 00:55.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot xxxy |
| 00:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 00:56.02 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 00:59.13 | rm_you | ~botsnack |
| 00:59.13 | infobot | rm_you: aw, gee |
| 00:59.22 | rm_you | can we make him fat? :P |
| 00:59.23 | rm_you | ~botsnack |
| 00:59.23 | infobot | rm_you: :) |
| 01:02.19 | rm_you | ~botsnack |
| 01:02.19 | infobot | thanks, rm_you |
| 01:03.00 | infobot | smiles |
| 01:07.17 | rm_you | woo vim installed |
| 01:07.19 | rm_you | success |
| 01:17.28 | GAN900 | Woo |
| 01:38.43 | rm_you | rofl |
| 01:38.48 | rm_you | so |
| 01:39.02 | rm_you | i have a line in this python function: "crash_this_thread()" |
| 01:39.05 | rm_you | which causes |
| 01:39.10 | rm_you | NameError: global name 'crash_this_thread' is not defined |
| 01:39.20 | rm_you | because it fixes the lockup issue i was having :P |
| 01:39.39 | rm_you | i have no idea what's going on with the threading in this program, but crashing it there makes it WORK |
| 01:39.44 | rm_you | so, yay. |
| 02:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | ok - I know I said I'll not bother anymore about aegis - nevertheless: devel-su -c bash |
| 02:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | happily runs all the commands you previously got >>-sh: mcedit: Operation not permitted |
| 02:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | as root! |
| 02:10.47 | MohammadAG | cool |
| 02:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | cp .ssh /home/user/.ssh |
| 02:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | check |
| 02:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | err NOT |
| 02:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | cp: can't create '/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys': Permission denied |
| 02:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, would've been too good |
| 02:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | also quite puzzling |
| 02:15.36 | rm_you | erm |
| 02:15.44 | rm_you | can i just add a repository like normal? |
| 02:15.48 | rm_you | on n950 |
| 02:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | almost |
| 02:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's files in a dir instead of lines in a file |
| 02:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | the old *.d/* scheme |
| 02:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: accept bash, you lazy lad! |
| 02:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 02:17.59 | rm_you | yeah k |
| 02:18.06 | rm_you | cool, got my repo up |
| 02:18.15 | rm_you | can i link it in the wiki even tho it's not an OBC PPA? |
| 02:18.19 | rm_you | *OBS PPA |
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| 02:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | I think everything can be linked in a wiki |
| 02:19.13 | rm_you | lol just wondering if people will yell at me for linking in a private repo |
| 02:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: it's you who needs to patch packrat to include it ;-P |
| 02:19.55 | rm_you | lol |
| 02:19.57 | rm_you | well |
| 02:20.02 | rm_you | it includes things from the wiki :p |
| 02:20.03 | rm_you | LO |
| 02:20.05 | rm_you | *:P |
| 02:20.06 | rm_you | so |
| 02:20.07 | rm_you | :P |
| 02:26.32 | rm_you | woot |
| 02:26.36 | rm_you | added my repo to Packrat |
| 02:26.46 | rm_you | so, vim. and mplayer. and pyRadio. |
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| 03:09.09 | Termana | morning |
| 03:09.22 | Ken-Young | Termana, Good evening! |
| 03:15.43 | Ken-Young | The wiki page http://wiki.meego.com/Porting_Fremantle_Applications_to_Harmattan seems to suggest that a Fremantle application can be imported into the Harmattan SK, and it will probably run. Does that apply only to Qt apps, or is there some whay to run Hildon apps in the Harmattan SDK? |
| 03:18.04 | rm_you | hildon apps will need a lot more work |
| 03:18.21 | antman8969 | lol no hildon |
| 03:18.25 | antman8969 | it'll porbably look terrible too |
| 03:18.28 | Ken-Young | rm_you, yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 03:18.46 | Ken-Young | So I need to rewrite the UI in Qt, right? |
| 03:19.00 | antman8969 | qml! |
| 03:19.26 | Ken-Young | What's the difference between Qt and qml? |
| 03:19.54 | antman8969 | qml is a different language that's integrated into qt |
| 03:20.01 | antman8969 | a google search will explain it much better than I can |
| 03:20.42 | Ken-Young | antman8969, Is Qt actually not supported under Harmattan, or are you just recommending qml as a better approach? |
| 03:21.01 | antman8969 | no no, it IS Qt, just not c++ |
| 03:21.05 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo Touch Framework is not supported. |
| 03:21.09 | antman8969 | for the interface |
| 03:21.13 | GeneralAntilles | Well, is deprecated. |
| 03:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | Use QML for your GUIs. |
| 03:21.31 | antman8969 | ^^ |
| 03:21.45 | antman8969 | feel free to use regular qt c++ for the logic though |
| 03:21.46 | Ken-Young | OK, I;ll do some reading about qml. Thanks. |
| 03:22.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ken-Young, it's awesome. |
| 03:22.40 | Ken-Young | I'm so behind the times, I still write code that uses Motif! |
| 03:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | Just with the Harmattan Components had more up-to-date (and complete) docs. |
| 03:23.08 | antman8969 | haha yea... well you can download the source from git |
| 03:23.12 | antman8969 | thats pretty much good neough |
| 03:23.22 | antman8969 | slightly better at times... very readable |
| 03:23.25 | antman8969 | AND commented |
| 03:24.04 | Ken-Young | Is there a page somewhere that give UI guidlines for Harmattan, apart form what is required by qml? |
| 03:24.50 | antman8969 | if you google that I think the page is actually called "Harmarttan UI Guidelines" lol |
| 03:25.08 | Ken-Young | They shouldn't hide things like that! |
| 03:31.11 | epage | Try this as a jump start page: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ |
| 03:31.34 | epage | UX Guidelines are right there not hidden, you just need to know where to start |
| 03:32.05 | Ken-Young | epage, Thanks for the pointer. (I was trying to make a joke about things being hidden). |
| 03:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | Ken-Young, yes, and it's absolutely gorgeous. |
| 03:55.41 | Ken-Young | GeneralAntilles, Goodie - sounds like something worth learning then. |
| 03:56.21 | Ken-Young | I find the preloaded apps in the N950 to be quite pretty. |
| 04:01.17 | rm_you | HA found out my threaded mplayer call wasn't actually threaded somehow |
| 04:01.42 | rm_you | also, development ON-DEVICE now that i have working vim is SOOO much faster |
| 04:03.06 | antman8969 | I would love to download a Qt lib from git and have it actually turn into a deb without me having to pull my hair out |
| 04:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, blog post. Now. |
| 04:08.30 | rm_you | ? |
| 04:08.33 | rm_you | i don't have a blog :/ |
| 04:08.59 | Ken-Young | Wiki page? |
| 04:09.43 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, get one. I'm pretty sure it's part of your loan agreement. :P |
| 04:11.42 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:11.47 | rm_you | what am i supposed to be blogging about? :P |
| 04:16.25 | ieatlint | you could blog about how it's weird that the n950, a "developer only" phone got fcc approval months before the n9 |
| 04:16.31 | ieatlint | which is still awaiting approval |
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| 04:33.40 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: The 950 was in the pipeline for volume sales around several months ago I'd guess |
| 04:33.58 | SpeedEvil | So the hardware design was fixed in that |
| 04:34.21 | SpeedEvil | Pity the 950 won't support NFC wallet. |
| 04:34.23 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 04:34.24 | SpeedEvil | n9 |
| 04:34.54 | ieatlint | yeah, i understand why it happened, i just find it ironic that the phone they aren't selling is further through political red tape than the phone they are releasing |
| 04:35.12 | ieatlint | has that been confirmed by nokia? |
| 04:35.55 | SpeedEvil | Umm - http://thenokiablog.com/2011/07/21/nfc-nokia-n9/ I wa referring to |
| 04:35.56 | ieatlint | because the n9 hardware should be fully capable of card emulation |
| 04:36.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 04:36.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nearfieldcommunicationsworld.com/2011/07/21/38715/nokia-no-mobile-wallet-support-in-current-nfc-phones/ |
| 04:36.54 | SpeedEvil | Capable of - doesn't help if you can't get the IP to emulate |
| 04:37.53 | ieatlint | well, those articles are written more by journalists than engineers |
| 04:38.00 | ieatlint | while they are "correct", they tell a half story |
| 04:38.30 | ieatlint | the c7 and the n9 are completely capable of doing card emulation (such as emulating an oyster card, or an rfid mastercard) |
| 04:39.08 | ieatlint | but i guess the argument is that TFL and similar organizations aren't about to give access to their systems for it |
| 04:39.37 | ieatlint | and while mastercard previously did it with the 6120, i guess the more closed nature of that device let it be less of an issue |
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| 04:46.25 | SpeedEvil | Exactly. Try to get the secret key of your SIM - for example. |
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| 05:23.15 | divan | Elleo, thanks. X11vnc is limited by bandwidth I guess. |
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| 05:53.20 | rm_you | yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah |
| 05:53.33 | rm_you | i think i finally got it totally working (instead of half working) |
| 05:53.58 | rm_you | had to fix bugs in the python-mplayer lib <_< |
| 05:54.01 | rm_you | so lame |
| 05:54.29 | rm_you | i hate when i download what looks like a good well-maintained library and i assume it works, spend a ton of time doing stuff, and then find out they have ridiculous bugs |
| 05:54.42 | Stskeeps | open source rocks, doesn't it |
| 05:55.16 | rm_you | yeah... going to stop assuming bugs are necessarily in my code just because something looks well-written to begin with |
| 05:55.54 | rm_you | which means -- I can start working on fixing the horrible things that happened to this UI |
| 05:55.59 | divan | Is there a possibility to query all packages indexed by PackRat? |
| 05:56.09 | rm_you | divan: it's... kinda possible |
| 05:56.21 | divan | rm_you, how? |
| 05:56.21 | rm_you | i can look at hacking it really fast so a blank search actually returns |
| 05:56.27 | rm_you | erm |
| 05:56.33 | rm_you | well sec lemmie look at the code >_> |
| 05:56.46 | rm_you | caught me at a good time :P |
| 05:57.42 | divan | :) |
| 05:59.32 | rm_you | kk |
| 05:59.43 | rm_you | commented out the line that kept you from doing an open search :P |
| 05:59.44 | rm_you | or |
| 05:59.46 | rm_you | actually sec |
| 05:59.49 | rm_you | let me make it require "*" |
| 06:02.51 | divan | rm_you, yep, actually I tried empty search first, and "*" in second try |
| 06:09.06 | rm_you | having trouble with regexp >_> sec |
| 06:13.58 | rm_you | ok |
| 06:14.00 | rm_you | i think that works |
| 06:14.01 | rm_you | * |
| 06:14.34 | rm_you | hrm there's a package in there that breaks my formatting |
| 06:14.49 | divan | rm_you, great, thank you! |
| 06:16.24 | rm_you | bah except i broke it |
| 06:16.34 | rm_you | i'm just gonna make it blanksearch T_T too tired to deal with regex |
| 06:19.50 | rm_you | ah fixed it |
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| 06:31.12 | Summeli | is anyone else getting these on build.pub.meego.com dpkg-source: error: cannot opendir /usr/src/packages/mypackage-orig.tmp-extractPermissiondenied |
| 06:36.10 | rm_you | divan: ok, totally happy with it now, leaving it alone for the night |
| 06:41.27 | divan | rm_you, thank you! |
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| 06:55.58 | rm_you | damnit |
| 06:56.29 | rm_you | accidentally rebooted my device mid run on what i think might have been the final fix T_T |
| 06:56.31 | rm_you | daaamnit |
| 06:56.36 | rm_you | waits |
| 07:13.34 | rm_you | new version of pyRadio is up, much more with the working |
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| 07:27.49 | macmaN | Elleo: heh, x11vnc is totally nice judging from the yt video |
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| 07:43.07 | ieatlint | when you run apt-get install, where does it download the .deb file to? |
| 07:44.02 | Mek | /var/cache/apt/archives I think |
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| 07:44.58 | spenap | macmaN, Elleo already ported x11vnc? :D |
| 07:44.58 | Mek | (although that dir does seem to be empty for me) |
| 07:45.00 | spenap | wow |
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| 07:48.09 | julienf | hello hello :) |
| 07:48.21 | dm8tbr | soo :) |
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| 07:52.41 | julienf | my phone doesn't start, what should I do? (Asking dumbly..) |
| 07:52.42 | julienf | :D |
| 07:53.11 | ieatlint | reflash it? |
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| 07:56.42 | julienf | ieatlint: I'd love to do that but I'd need the images and would need to look for the OCF as I do not have it yet |
| 07:57.44 | dm8tbr | julienf: it's on developer.nokia.com |
| 07:58.21 | dm8tbr | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 07:58.30 | dm8tbr | that's what my browser history says |
| 07:58.35 | ieatlint | yep |
| 07:59.00 | ieatlint | was about to post identical link |
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| 08:00.25 | dm8tbr | :) |
| 08:00.38 | julienf | thanks! |
| 08:00.40 | julienf | downloading |
| 08:00.58 | dm8tbr | julienf: I hope you didn't have files on the phone you wanted to keep? |
| 08:01.21 | ieatlint | in my experience MyDocs is saved |
| 08:01.26 | julienf | no, had been playing for just couple of hours :) |
| 08:01.39 | ieatlint | so files would generally be safe |
| 08:01.44 | ieatlint | (but never trust that, etc) |
| 08:02.00 | julienf | well.. I'd like to do a full factory setting :) |
| 08:02.22 | Mek | unless you hack the script in there to not erase&reflash emmc, you'll lose everything, yes |
| 08:02.31 | ieatlint | settings should be reset |
| 08:02.56 | ieatlint | ah, i must be mistaken with the OCF |
| 08:07.35 | dm8tbr | julienf: don't try anything funky, don't go near any options that say 'certificate' |
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| 08:46.54 | khertan1 | Morning |
| 08:47.11 | khertan1 | Does meego community obs is down ? |
| 08:48.00 | kimju | seems to be. |
| 08:52.22 | khertan1 | :( just when i want to try my new build of KhtEditor :) |
| 08:53.09 | rcg | khertan1: hehe, my build just finished and i was waiting for it to hit the repo when it went down ;) |
| 08:59.50 | khertan1 | seems my build finish and was sent to repo |
| 08:59.51 | khertan1 | :) |
| 08:59.51 | khertan1 | héhé |
| 09:02.15 | rcg | ah, lucky you :) mine seems to be stuck somewhere in obs |
| 09:04.23 | khertan1 | anyway package is broken |
| 09:04.24 | khertan1 | :) |
| 09:07.52 | rcg | hmmz ic.. btw. do you use the webfrontend or the cli tool for uploading? |
| 09:17.45 | Summeli | I used webfrontend, and I just get these "permission denied" errors, when it has extracted the soruces into some dir.. |
| 09:20.48 | khertan1 | rcg: there is a cli tool for uploading ? |
| 09:24.35 | rcg | khertan1: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1 |
| 09:24.47 | rcg | i still use the web frontend as well btw ;) |
| 09:25.56 | lardman | morning |
| 09:28.50 | rcg | morning lardman |
| 09:29.48 | khertan1 | rcg: thx |
| 09:29.52 | lardman | hi rcg |
| 09:30.01 | khertan1 | rcg: but web frontend isn't useable on n950 |
| 09:30.30 | khertan1 | Someone have already try to package python apps for harmattan |
| 09:30.36 | khertan1 | i ve some strange python error |
| 09:30.57 | khertan1 | while python could find a package, the path is in python sys.path |
| 09:31.18 | khertan1 | when i launch my script from my devel folder it s works |
| 09:31.35 | khertan1 | when i launch the same script installed via package it didn't found the python module i installed |
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| 09:34.25 | lardman | Anyone know how to determine the camera app (both Fremantle and Harmattan) file save location? |
| 09:37.22 | lardman | I've written a daemon that monitors image files (hence if I can know where they appear that would be good) and then runs plugins on them to perform image analysis |
| 09:37.57 | lardman | First plugin is of course barcode detection, but others could be added to do: text, facial recog, pictures, buildings (/me thinks of Google Goggles), etc |
| 09:38.08 | Summeli | lardman: are you using the tracker? |
| 09:38.18 | lardman | Summeli: no, QFileSystemWatcher |
| 09:38.23 | lardman | I only want new files |
| 09:38.28 | Summeli | ok |
| 09:38.47 | lardman | if tracker gives advantages I'm happy to look at it |
| 09:39.10 | lardman | I guess batch processing is a possibility, but the daemon is really designed to analyse the photo you just took with the camera automatically |
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| 09:43.05 | lcuk | lardman, there will be a couple of folders I guess (if mmc is available on n9 for instance) |
| 09:43.34 | lcuk | on n900 there was ~/MyDocs/DCIM as well as the emmc/DCIM |
| 09:43.56 | lardman | yeah I've currently hardcoded it but it would be nice if there were a programmatic way |
| 09:44.03 | khertan1 | on n950 it s in MyDocs DCIM too |
| 09:44.18 | khertan1 | lardman: DCIM is always hardcoded on all camera |
| 09:44.25 | jussi | Hrm... How does one "go back" in things on harmattan (Im playing with the sim) |
| 09:44.30 | khertan1 | it s a defacto standard |
| 09:44.37 | lcuk | lardman, will your app operate on symbian too? |
| 09:44.55 | lcuk | khertan1, DCIM is, but whether it is in MyDocs or the emmc is different |
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| 09:45.21 | lardman | lcuk: not currently, no reason why the daemon shouldn't work there though |
| 09:45.33 | lcuk | lardman, yeah |
| 09:45.39 | jussi | and also, where do I get and how do I install a few apps to test/play with? |
| 09:45.47 | lardman | not sure what they is by way of barcode decoder libraries for Symbian; equally I don't have any Symbian phones |
| 09:46.20 | lardman | Let me check it's building correctly, then I'll push it to the Garage svn repo |
| 09:47.14 | lardman | wishes his sore throat & cough would depart |
| 09:53.31 | lcuk | slides over some lozenges |
| 09:53.46 | rcg | hmmm... my package seems to be stuck in building again... last message was that vm is shutdown and the deb is collected |
| 09:53.49 | lardman | thinks that brandy might work better |
| 09:54.46 | rcg | wonders whether this is related to the "aegis-deb-util --add-manifest --manifest=debian/$(APPNAME).aegis ../$(APPNAME)_*_armel.deb" added to the rules |
| 09:55.26 | lcuk | lardman, so early? |
| 09:56.08 | lardman | well sore throat seems like a justification |
| 09:56.20 | lardman | though really drinking is the furthest thing from my mind atm |
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| 10:35.05 | dcarr_home | Hey |
| 10:35.27 | dcarr_home | The bog standard repos that come as part of the n950 |
| 10:35.34 | dcarr_home | have a very stale Qt 4.7.4 |
| 10:35.36 | divan | oh, friend of mine got N950 yesterday and it has 1.2011.15-7_PR_RM680 firmware |
| 10:35.42 | dcarr_home | and are lacking tons of packages |
| 10:36.00 | macmaN | divan: whaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 10:36.02 | dcarr_home | Are the general purpose open source repos we can use to extend the core software set? |
| 10:36.13 | macmaN | divan: can he targz that up :> |
| 10:36.26 | divan | it has twitter, fixed icons bug with landscape hack and no Ovi sign in required for maps |
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| 10:37.11 | divan | macmaN, I'll try to get this firmware image |
| 10:37.44 | divan | macmaN, is it possible to extract firmware? |
| 10:37.50 | macmaN | unlikely |
| 10:37.59 | dcarr_home | repos anyone? |
| 10:38.05 | macmaN | but maybe they will post this thing somewhere soon |
| 10:38.12 | Wirta | uh |
| 10:38.15 | macmaN | dcarr_home: http://ageofikon.com/prh/ |
| 10:38.19 | dcarr_home | I could really use some avahi library love |
| 10:38.22 | dcarr_home | macmaN: Thanks |
| 10:38.49 | dcarr_home | wow |
| 10:38.54 | dcarr_home | tons of personal repos |
| 10:39.07 | dcarr_home | Nokia not owning these? |
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| 10:39.35 | divan | dcarr_home, nope |
| 10:39.59 | dcarr_home | Avahi is not there |
| 10:40.07 | dcarr_home | it is actually part of the core Meego spec |
| 10:40.15 | dcarr_home | so its absence is hilarious |
| 10:40.31 | dm8tbr | too bad that 'MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan' is not based on MeeGo core... |
| 10:40.51 | dcarr_home | It would be nice if there was common baseline |
| 10:41.02 | dcarr_home | base Meego may have its warts |
| 10:41.10 | dcarr_home | providing a common baseline would not kill people |
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| 10:42.33 | jussi | hrm, I have nokia's meego running in scratchbox/xephyr, how do I get more apps? is there some repos somewhere that allow me to get stuff? What is the proceedure fr installing more apps? |
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| 10:45.05 | khertan1 | jussi: http://ageofikon.com/prh/ |
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| 10:46.14 | khertan1 | jussi: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos |
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| 10:47.13 | macmaN | divan: hopefully you dont mind grabbing some twitter #n950 fame with the firmware info :> |
| 10:47.19 | macmaN | dont mind ME* |
| 10:48.13 | divan | macmaN, no, but the price is 10$ )) |
| 10:48.33 | macmaN | what you dont trust rouble? |
| 10:49.05 | jussi | khertan1: thanks, although Im still a little unclear on how to actually get apps from the repos into the sim. |
| 10:49.10 | divan | macmaN, nope. And I'm not from Russia, actually. |
| 10:49.24 | macmaN | where from then |
| 10:49.29 | divan | macmaN, Ukraine |
| 10:49.36 | macmaN | haha grivnaworld! |
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| 10:49.48 | khertan1 | jussi: follow the explain on the meego wiki |
| 10:49.57 | khertan1 | edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 10:50.01 | divan | macmaN, so it's also a hefty insult ) |
| 10:50.07 | macmaN | yeah ok i dont think i had a way to figure it out aside from tracerting your ip |
| 10:50.27 | khertan1 | hum ... ssl handshake error on nokia harmattan repository |
| 10:50.33 | khertan1 | this smell update |
| 10:50.50 | jussi | khertan1: yeah, fair enough. Should I be adding it to the armel target or the x86? |
| 10:51.05 | macmaN | khertan1: hmmm youthinks? |
| 10:51.15 | khertan1 | yeah my thoughts |
| 10:51.21 | macmaN | keeps fingers crossed and holds breath |
| 10:51.22 | khertan1 | far from being facts :) |
| 10:51.44 | khertan1 | will wait to see what twitter integration look like before porting khweeteur |
| 10:52.05 | macmaN | whoa |
| 10:52.06 | macmaN | http://cordiatab.com/ |
| 10:52.09 | khertan1 | waiting c-obs |
| 10:52.22 | divan | wow, I've asked the Nokia engineer aobut the update and he suprisingly asked "Don't you have an update over the air?" |
| 10:53.01 | macmaN | umm |
| 10:53.08 | divan | So he believe it supposed to |
| 10:53.44 | macmaN | where is that update btn in phone |
| 10:53.51 | macmaN | for ota |
| 10:54.29 | dcarr_home | macmaN: That tablet looks fat |
| 10:54.40 | epage | I had gotten a small SDK update OTA, I think I noticed it as a notification on the news feed screen |
| 10:54.53 | khertan1 | macmaN: in parameters/applications |
| 10:54.57 | khertan1 | but not sure |
| 10:55.10 | dcarr_home | Freescale i.MX515, ARM Cortex-A8 |
| 10:56.21 | divan | macmaN, in the Settings->Application->Manage Applications |
| 10:56.46 | divan | but no updates so far |
| 10:57.01 | divan | though I was assured that next firmware update will be over the air |
| 10:57.03 | kimju | that 15-7 firmware sounds ancient compared to the dev-editions 22-6. |
| 10:57.18 | divan | kimju, I suppose it's different naming scheme |
| 10:57.26 | kimju | and that we are now living week 30.. |
| 10:57.31 | dm8tbr | 15 is most likely the week |
| 10:57.33 | divan | something like day-month or so |
| 10:57.34 | dm8tbr | so it's ancient |
| 10:57.50 | Summeli | probably day-month |
| 10:57.50 | divan | dm8tbr, and has twitter support? |
| 10:58.16 | divan | it's a little confusing, I agree |
| 10:58.21 | kimju | I think that the dev-ed 22-6 images was stripped down version. |
| 10:58.33 | macmaN | oh crap |
| 10:58.38 | dm8tbr | divan: I'd guess it's an internal firmware. the dev edition is missing a lot of functionality (intentionally!) |
| 10:58.45 | macmaN | -7 isnt july |
| 10:58.51 | macmaN | damn thats stupid |
| 10:59.07 | kimju | some apps not required for development or not ready yet have been removed from it.. |
| 10:59.12 | divan | dm8tbr, that firmware (15-7) also has 'developer edition' labels, so it's also the developer firmware |
| 10:59.30 | dm8tbr | divan: it's _a_ developer firmware |
| 10:59.54 | macmaN | had to delete that tweet now |
| 11:00.00 | macmaN | forgot it was the week number |
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| 11:02.39 | Summeli | update to the 15-7 would be nice |
| 11:04.12 | kimju | I'd say that would be a downgrade, not update |
| 11:07.04 | dm8tbr | +1 |
| 11:07.42 | dm8tbr | as we're in week 30, upgrade to -30-X would be nice :D |
| 11:14.27 | macmaN | ok on my phone pressing check for updates never completes right now |
| 11:14.42 | divan | I've send email request to clarify this, but at least this "downgraded" firmware has fixed bugs and twitter, so I would prefer it :) |
| 11:14.43 | macmaN | related to the handshake issue? |
| 11:14.52 | macmaN | Summeli: yes thats an older firmware actually |
| 11:15.08 | Summeli | macmaN: ok |
| 11:16.04 | kimju | fixed bugs? it probably has lots of unfixed bugs too :) |
| 11:16.47 | frals | 15-7? |
| 11:16.59 | Summeli | I would like to get that twitter account |
| 11:17.17 | frals | where did this 15-7 appear? ;o |
| 11:17.31 | dm8tbr | on a device that got sent out to someone |
| 11:17.45 | frals | link please |
| 11:17.53 | dm8tbr | _device_ |
| 11:17.56 | dm8tbr | not _site_ |
| 11:18.38 | frals | well i assume *something* was posted *somewhere* that support the claim of this magical numbered version ;) |
| 11:18.42 | kimju | frals, #here 13:35 divan: oh, friend of mine got N950 yesterday and it has 1.2011.15-7_PR_RM680 firmware |
| 11:19.13 | dm8tbr | so yes we could link you to the irc log for this channel ;) |
| 11:19.49 | macmaN | are we sure vodka quantities consumed < 1L before looking at n950 firmware number, divan |
| 11:20.32 | divan | macmaN, not funny |
| 11:20.49 | divan | macmaN, I asked this friend to enter *#0000# and tell me the output |
| 11:21.02 | macmaN | good enough |
| 11:21.33 | frals | divan: who is your friend? |
| 11:21.40 | divan | frals, he's journalist |
| 11:22.01 | frals | divan: at what paper/site? :) |
| 11:22.10 | divan | frals, and got N950 yesterday in Nokia Russia site. |
| 11:22.13 | divan | frals, meegos.ru |
| 11:22.39 | divan | frals, actually I know him personally and we're chatting in jabber conference |
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| 11:44.26 | julienf | thanks all! now works like a charms.. Need to see if I can get Twimgo running on it :) |
| 11:46.31 | julienf | so guys, what's the real difference between MeeGo and Harmattan? |
| 11:46.59 | Summeli | aegis? :D |
| 11:47.48 | kimju | is that a trick question? |
| 11:48.35 | razvanpetru | someone once told me that harmattan = maemo6 |
| 11:50.04 | julienf | kimju: no, curiosity |
| 11:52.10 | SpeedEvil | Harmattan was based - sort-of - on a fork of meego from over a year ago, with large slices of maemo bits. |
| 11:52.28 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: no, that's incorrect |
| 11:52.40 | Stskeeps | harmattan came before the meego.com codebase |
| 11:52.57 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 11:52.59 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. |
| 11:53.15 | Stskeeps | it's closer related to maemo5 than meego.com codebase, though it shares many of the same components |
| 11:53.18 | SpeedEvil | Wasn't any of the meego stuff merged in when meego was the furture? |
| 11:53.21 | razvanpetru | in this case, did Nokia get anything out of the MeeGo partnership? |
| 11:53.40 | divan | so, I've got an answer regarding update, not very promising. They told next official update will be only for N9 and only then it will be available for N950. |
| 11:53.58 | razvanpetru | when are they releasing the N9? |
| 11:54.00 | SpeedEvil | for n9 - when shipped? |
| 11:54.10 | Summeli | divan: that's not too bad |
| 11:54.13 | Summeli | at least updates are coming |
| 11:54.20 | divan | razvanpetru, sales starts in August 21 as I know |
| 11:54.26 | razvanpetru | ah not too long |
| 11:54.37 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: it's been more like that parts and bits has escaped from harmattan and joined meego |
| 11:54.38 | razvanpetru | wonder if I should switch to iPhone or wait until Aug for N9 :P |
| 11:55.13 | SpeedEvil | There were some rumors that it was being released in Sep |
| 11:55.18 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:55.28 | razvanpetru | yes, I heard of Sept also, but there are also rumors of August... |
| 11:55.31 | SpeedEvil | divan: Where's that number from? |
| 11:56.07 | rcg | uhm... you do still remember the "release procedure" of the n900? |
| 11:56.21 | Stskeeps | rcg: you mean a lot of moaning and crying in preorder? |
| 11:56.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:56.24 | divan | SpeedEvil, Nokia Russia representatives told that August 20th they will have big presentation of N9 and 21th they start sales |
| 11:56.33 | SpeedEvil | divan: Interesting. |
| 11:56.36 | divan | also the prices were announced yesterday |
| 11:56.42 | razvanpetru | oh yes, that's the other funny thing |
| 11:56.43 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 11:56.57 | razvanpetru | don't even know when it will be available in my country, it won't even launch in some countrie |
| 11:57.04 | SpeedEvil | wonders how to sell nokia short for August 22. |
| 11:57.05 | rcg | Stskeeps: exactly.. and the release date being shifted quite a lot ;) |
| 11:57.15 | divan | it's approx 850$ for 16G model and 950$ for 32$. That's in Moscow. Don't know for other countries. |
| 11:57.33 | razvanpetru | that's about what iPhone4 costs in Romania |
| 11:57.46 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 11:58.14 | SpeedEvil | I doubt I'll manage to get it at the sort of discount I managed for the 900. :) |
| 11:58.19 | razvanpetru | so it will also fight i4 on price :D |
| 11:58.24 | SpeedEvil | (~45% of nominal price) |
| 11:59.09 | divan | talking about N950 - it's priceless in all senses :) |
| 11:59.32 | slaine | I had a really nice time using it as a phone over the weekend |
| 11:59.42 | slaine | not for dev, just for casual usage as a user |
| 11:59.50 | divan | Not sure I'm ready to pay 950$ for N9, but for N950 I'd pay even 2000$ |
| 11:59.56 | razvanpetru | eh |
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| 12:00.01 | razvanpetru | n950 is not better than n9... |
| 12:00.12 | SpeedEvil | razvanpetru: It is if you want a keyboard |
| 12:00.14 | divan | razvanpetru, a way better because of keyboard |
| 12:00.15 | razvanpetru | I mean you'd pay a lot of money for a keyboard... |
| 12:00.28 | razvanpetru | and you lose NFC :) |
| 12:00.35 | razvanpetru | and the 1500mah battery... |
| 12:00.37 | SpeedEvil | NFC - which does _not_ mean wallet |
| 12:01.06 | SpeedEvil | The NFC implementation can't do the most interesting bit - the contactless payment bit. |
| 12:01.22 | SpeedEvil | (well, it can, but it won't be able to unless you can get the right secrets) |
| 12:02.14 | razvanpetru | for me the cool part of nfc is not payments, but fast bt connection, picking up stuff (basically a qr code that doesn't suck) |
| 12:03.04 | SpeedEvil | The question is how many things do that. |
| 12:03.45 | razvanpetru | not many yet, but let's see what happens until H1 2012... |
| 12:04.00 | razvanpetru | if the experts are right, it will be a period of blooming for nfc |
| 12:04.16 | SpeedEvil | Wifi is also coming along |
| 12:04.27 | SpeedEvil | There is the low-power-wifi thing which is being pushed. |
| 12:04.39 | razvanpetru | we need low power 3g |
| 12:04.51 | razvanpetru | but wifi is ok too :) |
| 12:05.58 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure about that. I don't know of any networks that are sane in power use. |
| 12:06.04 | SpeedEvil | (high-speed wireless) |
| 12:07.30 | SpeedEvil | idly wonders about dev n9s. |
| 12:07.47 | razvanpetru | oh yeah, wonder if they'll give out n9s at devdays munich |
| 12:07.53 | razvanpetru | doubt it... |
| 12:08.53 | SpeedEvil | Alas transport is difficult for me. |
| 12:09.49 | razvanpetru | same here |
| 12:10.13 | SpeedEvil | On bugs on the image that the 'community' n950s have. |
| 12:10.21 | SpeedEvil | Do the RDA n950s run the same? |
| 12:10.45 | razvanpetru | the only difference is the fw I think |
| 12:11.00 | razvanpetru | actually I don't know if they have rda n950 |
| 12:11.06 | razvanpetru | rda n9 makes more sense... |
| 12:15.21 | SpeedEvil | They have RDA 950s. |
| 12:15.24 | SpeedEvil | No n9s |
| 12:19.34 | Ken-Young | What does RDA stand for? |
| 12:20.01 | frals | remote device access |
| 12:20.13 | Ken-Young | frals, Thanks |
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| 12:22.33 | Rizzer | hey where's the documentation for the meego icons in QML? e.g. the "toolbar-view-menu" in 'ToolIcon { platformIconId: "toolbar-view-menu";' |
| 12:22.42 | razvanpetru | hehe, good question |
| 12:23.20 | razvanpetru | it's the little things like this that can drive a developer slowly mad... |
| 12:23.39 | razvanpetru | what I did was to copy all the icons in the theme folder on the device... then I can pick one |
| 12:23.52 | Rizzer | or do we have to reverse engineer from what happens to be in /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons? and hope hope they don't change |
| 12:24.15 | Rizzer | good idea, I'll copy them over to the computer |
| 12:25.08 | razvanpetru | Rizzer, that's what I did |
| 12:25.46 | razvanpetru | and indeed hope they don't change ;) |
| 12:26.11 | khertan1 | i hope too :) |
| 12:26.29 | Rizzer | must be an intelligence test. if you can figure it out, you get to keep your n950 |
| 12:29.00 | razvanpetru | there are many such tests :P |
| 12:31.28 | sebas | icon names are standardized on FDO, I'd assume they adhere to this spec? |
| 12:31.37 | sebas | (it includes a fallback mechanism) |
| 12:32.38 | sebas | http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html << though this one's not very promising, since it doesn't include toolbar-view-menu |
| 12:32.58 | razvanpetru | having an enum would have been too easy |
| 12:33.29 | khertan1 | sebas: yeah but such basic things : document-save didn't exist :) |
| 12:34.34 | sebas | khertan1: :/ |
| 12:35.38 | Rizzer | yeah close, but no toolbar :/ |
| 12:38.21 | khertan1 | ls /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons | grep m-toolbar |
| 12:38.22 | khertan1 | :) |
| 12:41.02 | tomma | yeah and still... not all toolbar icons have inverted version... |
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| 12:58.01 | mgedmin | experimental vim package available here: http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/user/binary-armel/ |
| 12:59.00 | mgedmin | did anybody ever have problems with debuild in harmattan scratchbox somehow messing up fakeroot debian/rules binary with a "dh_testroot: must run this as root" error? |
| 12:59.16 | djszapi | yes |
| 12:59.35 | mgedmin | what's that about? if I then run 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' myself, it works and I get a .deb |
| 12:59.45 | djszapi | I was trying to change the sb tools to the upstream tools. |
| 13:00.39 | djszapi | mgedmin: you did not play with sb env vars, like IGNORE related ones right ? |
| 13:00.42 | mgedmin | no |
| 13:00.50 | mgedmin | I did fakeroot apt-get install devscripts in my scratchbox, to get debuild |
| 13:01.04 | mgedmin | and I was surprised when building failed because there was no diff, so I fakeroot apt-get installed diff |
| 13:01.12 | djszapi | that might be the issue.... |
| 13:01.26 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 13:01.28 | kimju | doesn't apt-get in sb work directly as user, no need to fakeroot? |
| 13:01.32 | djszapi | sb is choicy. |
| 13:01.34 | mgedmin | if vim didn't take like an hour to build, I'd try it again |
| 13:01.43 | djszapi | if I do not use its native tools, it fails like that sometimes. |
| 13:01.49 | mgedmin | oh, btw, anybody used ccache in scratchbox? |
| 13:02.04 | djszapi | cmake cache on my side :p |
| 13:02.17 | djszapi | mgedmin: why are you asking ? |
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| 13:02.24 | mgedmin | because vim takes like an hour to build |
| 13:02.32 | mgedmin | which makes iteration difficult |
| 13:02.51 | mgedmin | I see that ccache exists in my scratchbox |
| 13:02.56 | djszapi | do you use cdbs ? |
| 13:02.57 | mgedmin | probably from a devkit |
| 13:03.05 | mgedmin | no, I ran dh_make in a vim hg checkout |
| 13:03.10 | djszapi | mmmm |
| 13:03.15 | mgedmin | it created a very nice debhelper 7-based debian/* |
| 13:03.37 | mgedmin | I think all I need to do is CC="ccache gcc" dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -rfakeroot -i -I |
| 13:04.33 | djszapi | mgedmin: cannot you speed it by doing one big blob object ? |
| 13:04.36 | djszapi | * it up |
| 13:04.42 | djszapi | that is what I had been doing with kdelibs. |
| 13:04.50 | djszapi | but I am not sure that works for vim. |
| 13:04.54 | mgedmin | I don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 13:05.14 | djszapi | mgedin: when you put all the sources together and you do not compile everything separately. |
| 13:05.18 | djszapi | and you basically work from cache. |
| 13:05.32 | djszapi | AST = Abstract Syntax Tree or something like that. |
| 13:07.17 | mgedmin | I'd rather not tamper with the upstream build system too much |
| 13:07.19 | djszapi | KDE4_ENABLE_FINAL -> this is the macro for KDE |
| 13:07.30 | mgedmin | especially if I can get a cheap speedup from setting CC to use ccache |
| 13:07.30 | djszapi | it is not build system related at all |
| 13:07.34 | djszapi | it is compiler related. |
| 13:07.41 | djszapi | the high-level macro just hides the details. |
| 13:08.26 | djszapi | also, make sure you have enough memory for such caching... |
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| 13:09.13 | mgedmin | you say "macro" |
| 13:09.27 | mgedmin | which means you're putting it into some file |
| 13:09.43 | mgedmin | that would be what, configure.ac or something? |
| 13:09.50 | djszapi | mgedmin: I cannot do every research instead of you :) |
| 13:10.02 | djszapi | I was referring to that you can find an option for the compiler doing it. |
| 13:10.02 | mgedmin | I'm not asking you to do research! |
| 13:10.20 | mgedmin | I'm asking you to clarify what you mean |
| 13:10.27 | djszapi | and it helped me a lot for the kdelibs compilation which normally takes 4-5 hours |
| 13:10.29 | mgedmin | that KDE4_ENABLE_FINAL thing is what, a cmake thing? |
| 13:10.40 | djszapi | as said couple of times, it is compiler related thing. |
| 13:10.48 | slaine | Should I install the SDK off the n950 or is there a newer version online ? |
| 13:10.52 | djszapi | these are just high level convenience stuff |
| 13:10.58 | mgedmin | defined where? used how? |
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| 13:18.18 | khertan1 | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/apps/./Packages.gz error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure <<< am i the only one to have such problem ? |
| 13:19.28 | khertan1 | A first preview release of KhtEditor is now available on my c-obs home project |
| 13:19.28 | khertan1 | :) |
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| 13:20.57 | mgedmin | I ought to learn to use the community OBS |
| 13:21.15 | djszapi | indeed, it does not make sense to distribute vim separately. |
| 13:24.19 | mgedmin | grr, LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 is not a supported locale on the n950 |
| 13:24.28 | mgedmin | LC_ALL=en_GB works *and* uses UTF-8 |
| 13:25.03 | mgedmin | on my laptop it's the other way around -- en_GB.UTF-8 is supported, just "en_GB" is not |
| 13:25.32 | mgedmin | and ssh transfers all $LC_* from my laptop to my n950... |
| 13:26.05 | macmaN | mgedmin: you can create your own locales with locale-gen |
| 13:26.17 | mgedmin | it's an option |
| 13:26.30 | mgedmin | maybe it would be simpler to create /etc/locale.alias ? |
| 13:28.04 | razvanpetru | has anyone created a WebView app? do forms work or does the keyboard always remain on screen? |
| 13:34.24 | mgedmin | is having no luck with locale.alias |
| 13:35.00 | lcuk | gives mgedmin a translation dictionary instead |
| 13:35.47 | macmaN | divan: twitter speculation is aug 19th for n9 |
| 13:36.04 | macmaN | although that to me sounds kinda quickish. but then again they do have a fire lit up under their asses. |
| 13:37.48 | djszapi | lcuk o/ :) |
| 13:38.28 | harbaum | khertan1: My entry for the "qml file selector competition": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4MbJyctjYI |
| 13:39.32 | vandenoever | there's a competition? |
| 13:39.45 | harbaum | :-) An inofficial one |
| 13:39.53 | vandenoever | points to http://blogs.kde.org/node/4437 |
| 13:40.35 | harbaum | Welcome to the club |
| 13:40.50 | mgedmin | there's no locale-gen on the n950 |
| 13:41.24 | vandenoever | harbaum: can one slide right to go up one level? |
| 13:41.45 | djszapi | mgedmin: you can package it anytime |
| 13:41.48 | harbaum | vandenoever: nope, but that#s a nice idea. |
| 13:42.03 | lcuk | morning djszapi \o |
| 13:42.05 | djszapi | oops, I was wrong it is because of the minimal glibc I guess |
| 13:42.06 | lcuk | how are you today? |
| 13:42.13 | razvanpetru | uhhh... what are the resources that need to go through the security framework? |
| 13:42.16 | harbaum | vandenoever: Can one overlay a qml mousearea while still forward the events to underlying areas? |
| 13:42.20 | razvanpetru | the docs are so vague... |
| 13:43.05 | djszapi | yeah, libc6 does not ship it mm |
| 13:43.08 | vandenoever | harbaum: i think so |
| 13:43.49 | divan | macmaN, i guess the date can differ by a day or two in different countries |
| 13:44.15 | mgedmin | fixes his locale problems with 'export LC_ALL=$LANG' at the end of /home/user/.profile |
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| 13:44.37 | djszapi | lcuk: everything is alright =p |
| 13:45.12 | lcuk | djszapi, good stuff |
| 13:45.19 | lcuk | are your favourite apps building on obs today? |
| 13:45.23 | mgedmin | there's /etc/profile.d/language.sh that's sourced from /home/user/.profile that takes care to set up $LANG correctly |
| 13:45.54 | mgedmin | all my problems were from LC_CTYPE and friends overriding that LANG |
| 13:46.42 | djszapi | lcuk: I do not know, I was mostly doing a windows installer :) |
| 13:46.52 | lcuk | eww |
| 13:48.18 | divan | Where is the sdk-connectivity-tool git/svn repository? |
| 13:49.51 | djszapi | mgedmin: also, I would not mind having a splitted vim package.. |
| 13:50.03 | mgedmin | djszapi, split how? |
| 13:50.16 | mgedmin | -tiny, -basic, -huge etc.? |
| 13:50.43 | djszapi | debian is your friend |
| 13:50.54 | mgedmin | yeah, I suppose I could rebuild the debian packages... |
| 13:51.10 | mgedmin | but hunting all the python-dev perl-dev etc. dependencies is probably going to be a pain |
| 13:51.32 | mgedmin | and I don't know if I have the patience to play with the packaging too much if every build takes an hour |
| 13:51.42 | mgedmin | looks like it's vim's testsuite, not the compilation, that takes so long |
| 13:51.47 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Did you go over the fbreader source at all? |
| 13:51.56 | djszapi | I can do the splitted vim package, if you do not have time to do it properly. |
| 13:52.10 | mgedmin | fiferboy, I'm staring at the diff, haven't tried playing with it more yet |
| 13:52.18 | mgedmin | djszapi, please! |
| 13:53.09 | djszapi | libperl-dev: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/perl/ |
| 13:54.09 | djszapi | python-dev: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/python2.5/ |
| 13:54.12 | mgedmin | does meego-terminal really support only a single window? |
| 13:54.19 | djszapi | use screen |
| 13:54.58 | mgedmin | hates screen with a passion |
| 13:55.30 | djszapi | hate helps so much at solving issues :) |
| 13:55.36 | kimju | mgedmin, https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/commit/585cbd72ac7bcb90e9cacf3a7638362a0252e629 |
| 13:55.42 | divan | mgedmin, yes, and there is a bug opened for it in harmattan.. |
| 13:55.57 | vandenoever | harbaum: your selector looks promising |
| 13:56.16 | mgedmin | hate is not productive -- but it's fun! try it, you may like it :) |
| 13:56.18 | djszapi | kimju: I guess this will not be available in the near future |
| 13:56.26 | djszapi | mgedmin: no thanks :) |
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| 13:56.58 | kimju | djszapi, well, I'm running a week old build on mine.. |
| 13:57.43 | djszapi | kimju: N950 ? |
| 13:57.47 | djszapi | public ? |
| 13:58.01 | kimju | yes. compiled the terminal in scratchbox and installed it |
| 13:58.10 | djszapi | you can override packages ? |
| 13:58.35 | kimju | dpkg --purge --force-all ; dpkg -i own_compilation.deb |
| 13:59.14 | kimju | but I think I'll "fork" the terminal next, install it with different name alongside the official one. |
| 13:59.15 | harbaum | vandenoever: thanks |
| 13:59.22 | mtd | kimju: how easy is it to build a pkg in scratchbox? I've got scratchobx, but haven't gotten round to reading anything about building packages in it... |
| 13:59.25 | mgedmin | kimju, +1 |
| 13:59.27 | djszapi | kimju: heh force all :) |
| 13:59.34 | mtd | kimju: can you recommend any terms to google for or anything? |
| 13:59.41 | djszapi | kimju: no wonder if there is a crash afterwards though |
| 13:59.46 | mgedmin | mtd, about as easy as it is to build a debian package outside scratchbox |
| 13:59.53 | mgedmin | i.e. depends if you're familiar with debian packaging or not |
| 13:59.53 | kimju | mtd, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -rfakeroot |
| 14:00.19 | mtd | mgedmin: yeah, I guess you might be able to tell from my question that I'm not :) |
| 14:00.26 | mtd | kimju: cool, thanks |
| 14:00.48 | mtd | vaguely remembers once downloading the source for a .deb and s forth, so it should be easy to put the pieces together |
| 14:01.06 | kimju | djszapi, no crashes or other problems so far. but the purge/force-all is not a clean way to do that, will probably break any possible SSUs |
| 14:01.06 | mgedmin | mtd, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Publishing_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK is the official doc starting point for packaging |
| 14:01.16 | mtd | excellent, thanks! |
| 14:01.28 | mgedmin | if you have a source deb for a different platform |
| 14:01.39 | djszapi | kimju: well, it is just the way of messing up a system and have a time bomb for real. |
| 14:01.41 | kimju | and debian developer guide is also a good reading for basics |
| 14:01.52 | mgedmin | then it's just a matter of unpacking it with dpkg -x *.dsc, cd'ing inside package-version/ and running the dpkg-buildpackage command kimju told you about |
| 14:01.55 | kimju | djszapi, "I know what I'm doing" ;) |
| 14:01.59 | mtd | kimju: cool, thanks |
| 14:02.06 | mgedmin | if you're starting from scratch, then it's time to play with dh_make etc. |
| 14:02.06 | djszapi | kimju: you know the platform internals ? |
| 14:02.07 | mtd | mgedmin: awesome, thanks |
| 14:02.16 | djszapi | kimju: dpkg != debian upstream dpkg; |
| 14:02.47 | djszapi | I do not seriously wonder if people are doing things like that and then they are getting security reports ... |
| 14:03.02 | kimju | meaning that I understand that that can backfire.. this is a development device, so reflashing wouldn't hurt that much |
| 14:03.20 | mgedmin | 58 minutes and dpkg-buildpackage succeeded where debuild had failed |
| 14:03.22 | djszapi | well, if you like it :) |
| 14:05.27 | kimju | djszapi, I wouldn't replace any random package, especially a library with such hack.. but the terminal seemed to be safe enough. it is just the ssu that might break with that. |
| 14:05.50 | khertan1 | harbaum: path is missing :) |
| 14:06.01 | khertan1 | but i like the concept |
| 14:06.33 | kimju | also I experimented with xkb-data, but the created xkb-data-addons-rm680 for "developer" hwkb-layouts. |
| 14:06.53 | mgedmin | wishlist: long tap in meego-terminal -> popup menu with 'open new window', 'select text', 'copy', 'paste' |
| 14:07.10 | djszapi | kimju: no it is not just the SSU. It is the good source of quite a few security issues as well.... |
| 14:08.04 | kimju | such as? |
| 14:08.46 | mtd | mgedmin, kimju: I added your tips to http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950#Building_packages_in_Scratchbox in case it can help others. |
| 14:09.54 | mgedmin | it may be a good idea to mention that 'debuild' tends to fail with fakeroot-related problems where dpkg-buildpackage succeeds |
| 14:10.05 | mgedmin | assuming that is in fact what happens |
| 14:10.19 | mgedmin | has anybody else tried to use debuild and see failures like mine? |
| 14:10.55 | djszapi | kimju: such as causing complete inconsistency. |
| 14:11.23 | djszapi | it is not accidentally forbidden by default. |
| 14:11.59 | mtd | mgedmin: done, good tip |
| 14:14.49 | alterego | Yay spontaneous email app crashes when updating. /me recreates account for third time. |
| 14:15.57 | fiferboy | I take it there is little chance we could see a firmware update before the N9 release? |
| 14:16.56 | mgedmin | I think so too, unless some unexpected critical showstopper bug shows up |
| 14:18.49 | fiferboy | There was some talk about the possibility of getting one earlier, but that seems to have dies down |
| 14:19.18 | djszapi | there was no talk about it, maybe by just some volunteers who cannot do anything anyways :) |
| 14:20.18 | harbaum | khertan1: Might put that into the title ... |
| 14:21.17 | harbaum | i especially htink it should be a dialog and not a seperate window/page |
| 14:32.39 | mtd | if I were to pick a pre-existing deb to rebuild in scratchbox for the n950, is there any easy rule of thumb for which debian version's .deb I should try first? sid? |
| 14:32.52 | mtd | realises this question is hopelessly naive, will not ask it again, but just in case.. |
| 14:32.56 | djszapi | mtd: unstable |
| 14:33.18 | djszapi | wheezy -> I ported 40 packages that way, about. |
| 14:33.37 | mtd | djszapi: thanks, perfect. |
| 14:33.39 | djszapi | but (k)ubuntu also helps a lot in some cases. |
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| 14:46.31 | mgedmin | fiferboy, any particular reason you renamed the old maemo5 target to maemo5_old and reused maemo5 for harmattan fbreader? |
| 14:47.00 | fiferboy | mgedmin: I was trying to get a maemo6 target to work so was moving things around |
| 14:47.18 | fiferboy | I ended up going back to just the maemo5 but didn't clean up the changes |
| 14:47.41 | mgedmin | why did you end up going back to maemo5? |
| 14:48.14 | fiferboy | Because the targets are integrated very deeply into the source build |
| 14:48.37 | fiferboy | I couldn't find all the places I needed to add maemo6 to get a proper build, as I was just going for quick 'n dirty |
| 14:48.44 | mgedmin | nods |
| 14:49.16 | fiferboy | A maemo6 (or Harmattan or MeeGo) target would be the proper way to go forward |
| 14:49.45 | fiferboy | That way we could specify install directories and desktop file, but also use an altered interface if necessary |
| 14:51.27 | djszapi | How can I remove packages from OBS ? |
| 14:51.48 | djszapi | without removing the whole repository. |
| 14:54.43 | djszapi | Can anybody now build something on OBS ? It is rpc timeout for my all packages right now. |
| 14:54.48 | djszapi | lnt_away ^ |
| 14:54.55 | djszapi | * lbt_away ^ :) |
| 14:57.19 | mgedmin | hm, I'm suddenly wondering how the _debian_ desktop fbreader package is built |
| 14:57.26 | mgedmin | I believe they have a proper .dsc |
| 14:58.08 | djszapi | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fbreader/fbreader_0.12.10dfsg-4.dsc |
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| 14:59.17 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Good point, I always tried with the built-in packaging because it was usually for maemo4 or 5 |
| 14:59.29 | mgedmin | yes, it was quite different |
| 15:00.18 | fiferboy | I wonder if they use a cleaned up source as well, without all the targets |
| 15:02.32 | mgedmin | fbreader_0.12.10dfsg.orig.tar.gz -- so they did repack the source archive |
| 15:03.47 | mgedmin | but the only thing they do is remove three hyphenation pattern files which are not DFSG-compliant |
| 15:04.27 | djszapi | they do not repack the source archive |
| 15:04.58 | mgedmin | I was looking at the ubuntu package for fbreader-0.12.10dfsg |
| 15:04.58 | djszapi | that is intact, maybe a different name, that is |
| 15:05.12 | vgrade | julienf, you were asking about meego vs harmattan, http://linuxtesting.org/compatibility/MeeGo_1.2_Core_to_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/x86/abi_compat_report.html. Glad your N950 is ok now |
| 15:06.37 | julienf | vgrade: thanks! I'll have a look at that |
| 15:06.46 | julienf | vgrade: will be tweeting soon from my N950 :D |
| 15:12.13 | vgrade | julienf, look out for treemaker, sapce invaders, aerofly, lights off, nelisquare |
| 15:12.40 | julienf | :D |
| 15:12.48 | julienf | right now, twimgo is having a hard time starting... |
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| 15:15.40 | vgrade | julienf, hope you don't have a duff device there |
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| 15:16.35 | julienf | vgrade: it says "loading tweets" so am hopeful :D |
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| 15:31.32 | khertan1 | julienf: i already tweet from my n950 with khweeteur |
| 15:31.42 | khertan1 | but the ui is horrible ugly plain qt |
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| 15:33.25 | mgedmin | fiferboy, what does setWindowFlags(Qt::Window); do? |
| 15:35.03 | lcuk | mgedmin, it sets the window flags of course! |
| 15:35.42 | mgedmin | oh, how illuminating |
| 15:35.48 | mgedmin | why is it necessary for fbreader? |
| 15:36.04 | mgedmin | make that "why is it necessary to patch fbreader to add that call?" |
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| 15:39.54 | lcuk | shrugs |
| 15:40.11 | mgedmin | I guess I'll find out when I build an fbreader deb without that change :) |
| 15:40.13 | mgedmin | assuming I succeed |
| 15:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: are you practicing to learn how to answer kids' questions? |
| 15:41.22 | lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer I must be! |
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| 15:58.57 | djszapi | vgrade: do you know an easy way of re-triggering a build after an rpc timeout instead of just waiting for something ? |
| 15:59.11 | djszapi | maybe from osc, but not webinterface |
| 16:06.34 | Elleo | djszapi: "osc rebuild" should trigger rebuilds |
| 16:06.48 | Elleo | it won't abort an existing build though |
| 16:06.57 | Elleo | there's "osc abortbuild" for that but I've never been able to get it to work |
| 16:07.31 | Elleo | otherwise there's a "Trigger rebuild" link on log pages on the web interface for finished/timed out packages |
| 16:07.54 | Elleo | also an "Abort build" link will appear on a stuck log after waiting for a while |
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| 16:08.27 | realsportcars | hi |
| 16:09.56 | djszapi | Elleo: The problem is that the webinterface hangs for hours |
| 16:10.20 | djszapi | There is no abort button. |
| 16:10.39 | Elleo | djszapi: then you'll need to work out how to make abortbuild work from osc I guess |
| 16:12.36 | fiferboy | mgedmin: That isn't necessary, just a hack I was seeing if it fixed anything |
| 16:12.57 | fiferboy | mgedmin: The window flags are probably being set, I just wanted to make ABSOLUTELY sure |
| 16:13.03 | fiferboy | You can get rid of that |
| 16:18.25 | vgrade | djszapi, try X-Fade on #meego |
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| 16:44.28 | npm | anybody know how I can use this ( http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/v/vala/ ) to cross-compile vala progs to run on n950? |
| 16:47.22 | npm | and what exactly are the purpose and compatibility of all these debs that appear to be for harmattan: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ |
| 16:47.30 | Stskeeps | that's SDK |
| 16:48.55 | npm | interesting stuff in here :-) http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/non-free/d/devtools-metapackage/ |
| 16:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | harmattan MTF datepicker only has "select month" and it needs like 80 flicks to scroll from Jan 1900 to Dec 2040, which are the somewhat odd limits for selectable dates |
| 16:50.45 | Stskeeps | dec 2040 is when harmattan support ends ;p |
| 16:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 16:51.41 | npm | that whole date seems optimistic at the rate we're going... |
| 16:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I might want to create a reminder event not to forget my own 50th death date |
| 16:53.01 | npm | don't forget the dbus connection to the resurrection app they'll have by then |
| 16:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | and no, I don't expect it to get relevant and fire on N9 or any future Nokia device, I expect it to show up in my callendar which is planning the future for year 2100+ already |
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| 16:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | also I can't add Mozart as a contact, though I might be interested in his birthdate and a reminder for the annual birthday |
| 16:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually adding contacts that have a birthday of e.g 1940 is already unbearable |
| 16:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | just try it! |
| 16:55.59 | npm | what do you call those ball things that you shake and a little pyramid like thing floats up to the window and you see the message... someone needs to make a 'fortune' app like that for the n900 that you "shake" |
| 16:56.01 | cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, don`t bother.. remember 2038.. 32-bit unix time ends... all hell'll break loose.. no need for calendars after that.. |
| 16:56.10 | npm | s/n900/n950 |
| 16:56.12 | npm | sorry |
| 16:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | if there was a "select year" scroll-list that does 20..30 years with one flick, I'd say umm ok, but having only a "select month" is insane |
| 16:57.43 | npm | acutally that would make a good feed -reader interface... shake it and get a random twitter message |
| 16:59.12 | npm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8-Ball ... finally remembered the name |
| 16:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | please nobody answer my datepicker rant with trying to make a point why slotmachine crap of Qt* is so much better |
| 17:01.24 | npm | i think that rant applies to a lot of "touch" interfaces |
| 17:01.56 | npm | that are actually harder to use than the desktop version with implicitly recognized form/function bindings |
| 17:03.03 | npm | like the fact that if you make something shiny and round, it supposedly makes it obvious that it's flickkable or that there's other hidden information that can be found with no visual feedback to suggest it's there in the first place |
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| 17:06.37 | npm | vgrade posted this: http://linuxtesting.org/compatibility/MeeGo_1.2_Core_to_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/x86/abi_compat_report.html -- meego 1.2 core has Vala and it's not even mentioned (grr) https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13656 |
| 17:06.40 | MeeGoBot | Bug 13656 nor, Medium, ---, damien.lespiau, NEED, MeeGo needs gobject-introspection to generate the vala bindings of telepathy-glib (which are needed |
| 17:10.26 | npm | i guess i could just have vala generate C and cross-compile that to the N950 ( for https://code.google.com/p/spekle/ ) |
| 17:11.20 | npm | anybody got something equivalently performing in Qt? |
| 17:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | npm: here you go http://www.mattelgamefinder.com/demos.asp?demo=mb Fails on my desktop and fails completely on N950 |
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| 17:30.35 | npm | qmake directory copying mystery revelealed : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5962569/how-can-i-use-qmake-to-copy-files-recursively |
| 17:31.00 | npm | DocScrutinizer: thx |
| 17:31.34 | npm | actually , any body have sample code for a simple "magic 8 ball" in QML |
| 17:31.53 | npm | or can i geek-snipe someone into writing it? :-) |
| 17:33.19 | npm | it would make a nice youtube #trending viewer ala http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peC-ABhDEMQ |
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| 17:40.35 | npm | actually this is the better demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_EJtCu46U |
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| 17:59.53 | Venemo | good evening |
| 18:00.07 | fiferboy | Does someone have a link to the valid package "Section" list for Harmattan? |
| 18:03.38 | Venemo | so... I'm working on the GUI of an IRC client for Harmattan |
| 18:07.34 | SpeedEvil | What based on? |
| 18:08.05 | Venemo | currently not based on anything, but possibly on libircclient-qt |
| 18:08.42 | Venemo | I'm planning it to be as simple as possible :) |
| 18:09.20 | SpeedEvil | So not a quassel backen? |
| 18:09.20 | SpeedEvil | d |
| 18:11.45 | Venemo | I'm currently only developing a frontend |
| 18:12.47 | Venemo | I tried to contact the guy behind 'quassel2go' (or whatever), but he didn't respond |
| 18:12.55 | Venemo | so I'll wire it up with libircclient-qt |
| 18:13.26 | Venemo | what is so special about quassel anyway? |
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| 18:21.44 | harbaum | Any qml specialists here? I'd like to catch Mouse events while at the same time passing them through |
| 18:23.16 | harbaum | I want to catch a horizontal swipe over my file selector |
| 18:26.24 | fiferboy | harbaum: So you want a mouse area to detect a specific gesture any everything else gets passed through? |
| 18:26.34 | harbaum | yes |
| 18:26.35 | fiferboy | s/any/and/ |
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| 18:33.01 | fiferboy | I can see how that would be useful, but I'm not sure how to accomplish that |
| 18:34.31 | fiferboy | harbaum: It /looks/ like if you capture a mouse event that you want to pass you can set the "accepted" property to false |
| 18:34.34 | fiferboy | harbaum: any everything else gets passed through? |
| 18:34.46 | fiferboy | harbaum: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-mouseevent.html |
| 18:35.07 | fiferboy | I am not sure how the interaction between a mousearea and a mouseevent works, though |
| 18:38.31 | harbaum | fiferboy: Hey, great. That works! |
| 18:45.23 | fiferboy | harbaum: :) |
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| 19:04.00 | fiferboy | Gah, dpkg-source is driving me crazy |
| 19:09.06 | fiferboy | D'oh, it is a bug - cannot process dashes in package names :X |
| 19:09.47 | harbaum | fiferboy: Nah ... it's not working. If i don't accept the press events, i don't get any release events at all .... |
| 19:10.58 | fiferboy | harbaum: That seems odd |
| 19:11.19 | harbaum | Indeed ... |
| 19:11.46 | harbaum | Time to give up for today. Thanks for you help! |
| 19:11.52 | fiferboy | No problem |
| 19:12.34 | fiferboy | I would think if you set it ia "accepted" the system would realize it has been consumed |
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| 19:31.33 | fiferboy | Nope. dpkg-source is still screwed up %( |
| 19:32.15 | MohammadAG | Started having dreams about "Device sent to customer" |
| 19:33.08 | Khertan | MohammadAG, u didn't received your n950 yet ? |
| 19:33.12 | mgedmin | I'm seeing these weeeird warnings about missing symbols like __aeabi_uidivmod@GCC_3.5 while building debs |
| 19:33.19 | mgedmin | they appear to cause no harm |
| 19:33.22 | mgedmin | i.e. the binaries work on my n950 |
| 19:33.23 | fiferboy | MohammadAG: Those are normal, but after a wait that long they may get pretty intense |
| 19:33.24 | MohammadAG | Khertan, new orde |
| 19:33.38 | MohammadAG | r |
| 19:34.36 | mgedmin | has a bunch of fbreader debs now |
| 19:36.46 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Any changes? |
| 19:37.41 | mgedmin | from upstream ubuntu packages? some -- dropped the -gtk and -maemo variants of liblzui |
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| 19:38.46 | vandenoever | wonders if there is already a directory of n950 apps that i could add retronome to |
| 19:38.57 | Khertan | MohammadAG, ouch |
| 19:39.53 | Khertan | there is strange ssl error when trying to apt-get update i didn't got before |
| 19:42.01 | fiferboy | mgedmin: I guess you haven't looked at the swipe-crash? |
| 19:42.17 | mgedmin | I'm just about to test these packages I've built |
| 19:42.29 | fiferboy | crosses fingers |
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| 19:45.00 | mgedmin | having old scripts to build apt repositories is convenient |
| 19:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: (missing symbols) there's a LD_* env var to set for loading/executing a binary, that makes early binds, so you can be sure no missing symbol is causing a segfault later during runtime |
| 19:47.25 | Khertan | is happy ... Sdist_maemo works greats for uploading package to obs for targetting harmattan ;) |
| 19:47.43 | mgedmin | apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't want to upgrade fbreader |
| 19:47.56 | Khertan | Python Sdist Maemo and KhtEditor Preview Edition is now available in my home of the Community OBS |
| 19:47.57 | Khertan | ;) |
| 19:49.23 | tomma | hmm... how does obs work with debian based packagin? |
| 19:50.33 | tomma | is there some wiki article about that? |
| 19:51.56 | RST38h | mgedmin: DO NOT do dist-upgrade |
| 19:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: LD_BIND_NOW="4711-random-YES" <yourbinary> |
| 19:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: man 8 ld-linux |
| 19:52.26 | Khertan | RST38h, on harmattan ? no see any problem yet ;) |
| 19:52.40 | RST38h | Khertan: lucky |
| 19:52.43 | Khertan | tomma, same as maemo autobuilder |
| 19:52.49 | RST38h | wonders if he should try |
| 19:53.09 | Khertan | RST38h, before dist-upgrading something you need package new version :) |
| 19:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | >>Then there are lots of more or less obscure variables, many obsolete or only for internal use.<< from a manpage - priceless ;-D |
| 19:54.38 | mgedmin | ah, I missed two architecture: all debs |
| 19:54.45 | mgedmin | RST38h, *wave* |
| 19:55.02 | mgedmin | dist-upgrade requires one to know what one's doing |
| 19:55.53 | mgedmin | unless there are new aegis-related traps I'm not aware of? |
| 19:56.01 | mgedmin | I'll be careful not to remove/replace system packages |
| 19:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | vandenoever: (if there is already a directory) wait a bit longer, MohammadAG is about to create one |
| 19:58.51 | vandenoever | DocScrutinizer: cool, thanks! |
| 19:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or are you finished with it already? |
| 20:00.37 | fiferboy | Has anyone found a solution to the random dpkg lock other than rebooting? |
| 20:01.02 | kimju | fiferboy, closing setting application and waiting for a while. |
| 20:01.33 | fiferboy | kimju: 90% of the time it happens to me without ever having opened the settings app (on that boot) |
| 20:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | killall -9 $somepkgdaemon |
| 20:04.44 | kimju | ok, I've seen that only if I've started the applications installer, then it takes a few minutes to free the lock |
| 20:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | search chanlog for "kill -9" |
| 20:05.08 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer: Thanks |
| 20:06.29 | fiferboy | killall -KILL pkgmgrd |
| 20:06.37 | fiferboy | There we go, I'll try this next time |
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| 20:08.16 | mgedmin | k, the packages can be installed |
| 20:08.23 | mgedmin | fbreader launcher has no icon |
| 20:08.25 | mgedmin | but it works |
| 20:08.27 | mgedmin | crashes on swipe |
| 20:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 20:09.22 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 3d 3h 28m 44s ago, saying: 'well there's the inverted theme hwich is probably a css one-liner'. |
| 20:09.25 | fiferboy | mgedmin: Now you just have to write a nice QML frontend :D |
| 20:09.47 | mgedmin | first I have to study for a long time |
| 20:09.56 | mgedmin | about QML and stuff |
| 20:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | just ran into: >>libcafnips - Nokia continuous auto focus library<< |
| 20:14.16 | crevetor | thp: there ? |
| 20:14.23 | mgedmin | what's the incantation to let the application intercept volume keys? |
| 20:17.14 | RST38h | Sorry to ask, but how do I build something for Harmattan without going through OBS? |
| 20:17.28 | mgedmin | RST38h, install an SDK on your machine |
| 20:17.34 | mgedmin | either Qt Creator or Scratchbox |
| 20:17.41 | mgedmin | or both :) |
| 20:17.44 | RST38h | Are there instructions for Scratchbox? |
| 20:17.48 | mgedmin | yes |
| 20:17.52 | RST38h | URL? =) |
| 20:17.55 | mgedmin | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html |
| 20:18.00 | RST38h | Coool |
| 20:21.47 | RST38h | wonders if harmattan will compile from sb2 |
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| 20:23.07 | mgedmin | good question |
| 20:23.07 | RST38h | ok,harmattan sdk install just hung |
| 20:24.53 | mgedmin | hm, time to learn quilt? |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how much in GB the harmattan SB will add to an already installed fremantle SB, and if it integrates at all |
| 20:26.51 | RST38h | Better question is, why can't a single sb or sb2 install handle both? |
| 20:27.06 | mgedmin | they should integrate nicely |
| 20:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I implied by "if it integrates at all" |
| 20:27.31 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure you'll get a HARMATTAN_ARMEL and _386 targets next to your preexisting fremantle targets |
| 20:27.50 | mgedmin | I haven't tried, since my fremantle scratchbox lived on an older hard disk |
| 20:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | I got a fremantle SB on a disk that has ~300MB free space and btw is my rootfs |
| 20:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | free space after installing the ~6GB fremantle SB |
| 20:29.35 | RST38h | I got sb2 not sb |
| 20:29.45 | mgedmin | make copious notes |
| 20:29.46 | RST38h | Would really love this to work in sb2 :( |
| 20:30.01 | mgedmin | last time I tried sb2, I couldn't use apt-get in it |
| 20:30.03 | mgedmin | was that ever fixed? |
| 20:30.14 | RST38h | yoooooo, it is getting nokiameegoapi-beta-rootstrap! |
| 20:30.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: works for me, for a while now |
| 20:30.35 | mgedmin | cool |
| 20:30.39 | RST38h | mgedmin: sb2 -eR and apt-get away |
| 20:31.05 | RST38h | mgedmin: as long as mmap setting set up in Ubuntu (THAT took me a while to figure out) |
| 20:31.12 | mgedmin | heh, yes |
| 20:31.22 | mgedmin | oh, I wonder what harmattan-sdk-setup.py did about that |
| 20:31.27 | mgedmin | will it still work when I reboot? |
| 20:31.33 | mgedmin | did it modify my /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 20:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | yep, afaik |
| 20:32.44 | mgedmin | it created /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core |
| 20:34.26 | mgedmin | and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/harmattan-sdk.list |
| 20:34.37 | mgedmin | and modified /etc/group |
| 20:34.47 | mgedmin | etckeeper found no changes to sysctl.conf, hmm |
| 20:35.58 | mgedmin | there used to be two sysctls you had to modify to make scratchbox work |
| 20:36.06 | mgedmin | sb-login used to tell you about one of them, IIRC |
| 20:36.26 | mgedmin | I still have a shell script in ~/bin/. |
| 20:36.35 | mgedmin | ~/bin/sb-sysctl-fixup -> sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 |
| 20:36.44 | mgedmin | so, quilt |
| 20:36.53 | mgedmin | reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Quilt |
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| 20:42.14 | mgedmin | woot, I know quilt now |
| 20:50.29 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 20:50.40 | mgedmin | can't find the initial window size for the qt4 ui |
| 20:50.55 | mgedmin | a bunch of other fbreader/zlibrary platform sources specify 800 explicitly |
| 20:50.58 | mgedmin | qt4 doesn;t |
| 20:51.07 | mgedmin | but I see how the window visibly resizes on startup, and it annoys me |
| 20:52.02 | RST38h | fms@ummon:~$ sb-menu |
| 20:52.15 | RST38h | sr/bin/sb-menu: line 22: /scratchbox/login: Permission denied |
| 20:52.23 | RST38h | usr/bin/sb-menu: line 22: exec: /scratchbox/login: cannot execute: Permission denied |
| 20:52.24 | mgedmin | RST38h, newgrp sbox |
| 20:52.29 | RST38h | mhm |
| 20:53.06 | mgedmin | will be unnecessary when you log out from your current desktop login session and log in again |
| 20:53.40 | RST38h | any way to make it permanent? include myself into this group maybe? |
| 20:53.56 | mgedmin | my last statement |
| 20:54.13 | mgedmin | thing is, when you add a user to a group -- which the scratchbox setup script did -- it takes effect on *next login* only |
| 20:55.34 | mgedmin | or you can get a subshell with that group enabled if you use newgrp |
| 20:57.27 | RST38h | apt-get update |
| 20:57.28 | RST38h | scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 20:57.52 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 20:58.26 | kimju | did you install qemu? |
| 20:59.51 | RST38h | It should have done that for me |
| 21:00.01 | RST38h | no? |
| 21:00.34 | RST38h | what version of qemu should I install and from where? |
| 21:00.40 | RST38h | (none of this stuff appears to be documented btw) |
| 21:01.25 | kimju | ii qemu-user-static 0.14.50-2011.03-1-0ubuntu2 QEMU user mode emulation binaries (static version) |
| 21:01.40 | kimju | I had to install that manually (on ubuntu 11.04) |
| 21:01.50 | RST38h | scratchbox-devkit-qemu is already the newest version. |
| 21:02.10 | RST38h | no such package |
| 21:03.38 | RST38h | shit , this proves to be way more complicated than I thought =( |
| 21:04.30 | kimju | on the sdk site there is links to some tarballs too. I preferred to use the packaged version |
| 21:06.36 | RST38h | okit was not obvious but I did it |
| 21:07.35 | RST38h | omething wicked happened resolving 'harmattan-dev.nokia.com:80' |
| 21:07.47 | RST38h | and the same thingfor each harmattan repo |
| 21:15.42 | RST38h | naaah, it does not start |
| 21:17.40 | RST38h | has anyone managed to run this stuff successfully? |
| 21:20.05 | rm_work | i ran the SB installer on my ubuntu natty machine |
| 21:20.09 | rm_work | and it installed everything fine, |
| 21:20.15 | rm_work | including qemu / xephyr / etc |
| 21:20.27 | rm_work | was able to run a session and launch an app |
| 21:20.37 | rm_work | after which i immediately shut it off and just used my device anyway |
| 21:20.56 | rm_work | i've been coding on-device most of today and last night |
| 21:21.30 | RST38h | and compiling too? |
| 21:21.50 | RST38h | I managed to boot the desktop in X86 target now, but qmlviewer complains about missing dbus and quits |
| 21:22.44 | mgedmin | if you're developing a qml app, I recommend qt creator |
| 21:22.49 | mgedmin | it's android-level easy |
| 21:23.04 | mgedmin | hit a "run" button in the ide, it builds a .deb, deploys it over ssh over wifi, and runs it on your n950 |
| 21:23.15 | mgedmin | I believe it also supports integrated debugging, although I haven't tried |
| 21:23.16 | mgedmin | bliss |
| 21:23.41 | mgedmin | of course if you've got a preexisting .deb package, I've no clue how to make qt creator play nice with it, or if that's even possible |
| 21:23.52 | RST38h | I am acquainted with Android dev now, it is not "easy" |
| 21:23.59 | RST38h | "Messy" would be a better word. |
| 21:24.07 | mgedmin | well, I'm not acquainted with android |
| 21:24.23 | mgedmin | I've played with it for 5 minutes, thought it was a bit more polished than scratchbox |
| 21:24.27 | RST38h | In a nutshell, it is Symbian rewritten in Java |
| 21:24.39 | mgedmin | I'm not acquainted with symbian either :) |
| 21:26.05 | RST38h | I guess, Harmattan desktop sources are not public? :) |
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| 21:31.42 | mgedmin | who knows? |
| 21:31.53 | mgedmin | what are 'desktop sources' -- meegotouch home screens? |
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| 21:39.23 | mgedmin | brain not working... |
| 21:40.42 | mgedmin | what's the screen size of a n950? |
| 21:40.43 | mgedmin | 854? |
| 21:44.23 | mgedmin | xwininfo -root tells me it's 854 |
| 21:47.42 | macmaN | 848x480 |
| 21:48.02 | macmaN | it takes less time to google it than it takes to write the question here |
| 21:48.21 | mgedmin | but the answer is wrong :) |
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| 21:50.34 | MohammadAG | 854*480 me thinks |
| 21:50.45 | mgedmin | yes |
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| 22:01.17 | mgedmin | \o/ ccache \o/ |
| 22:06.49 | mgedmin | crud, couldn't fix the window size flicker on startup |
| 22:10.21 | mgedmin | and couldn't add a "fullscreen" button to the toolbar.xml either |
| 22:21.09 | lcuk | serious question, could symbian be made to work inside a virtual machine on harmattan? |
| 22:21.17 | lcuk | ie virtual s60 |
| 22:21.27 | lcuk | or whichever is the required version |
| 22:21.53 | SpeedEvil | It would be interesting! |
| 22:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, a special qemu shouldn't expose any showstoppers |
| 22:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what became of vmware for arm / N900 |
| 22:24.29 | vandenoever | is running a plain Qt application and getting a gray bar below the application, any way to remove that? |
| 22:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's the space for status bar supposed to show up on top |
| 22:25.23 | mgedmin | vandenoever++, I want to know too |
| 22:25.37 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: at least there's a wine build now. that took a while. |
| 22:25.40 | antman8969 | that gray bar is the toolbar menu |
| 22:25.44 | antman8969 | use qml! |
| 22:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | hah, sure |
| 22:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | toolbar without any tools |
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| 22:26.27 | antman8969 | I didn't say it was a USEFUL toolbar |
| 22:26.34 | antman8969 | the kind that just takes up space |
| 22:26.35 | vandenoever | my widget uses QWidget, i dont want to port it, that would be a huge task |
| 22:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 22:26.56 | antman8969 | you can use QWidget in qml |
| 22:27.04 | antman8969 | theres a tutorial somewhere |
| 22:27.53 | ieatlint | yeah, you can, but it's considered a bad idea |
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| 22:28.23 | antman8969 | lol well so is not using qml.... ok I'm not being helpful I'm sorry |
| 22:28.49 | vandenoever | is running warptree on his n950, performance is great, but it's a qwidget |
| 22:29.16 | macmaN | *still* doesnt know the difference between all these |
| 22:29.39 | mgedmin | doesn't even know how to tell what is what -- fbreader is using qt4, that's all I know |
| 22:29.50 | antman8969 | lol it's all qt4 |
| 22:30.15 | rm_work | lol well |
| 22:30.17 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I wonder if there are any binary compatible chipsets, so wine, not qemu would work. |
| 22:30.20 | vandenoever | so this toolbar, how can it be turned off? |
| 22:30.29 | rm_work | I have the same problem with pyRadio, big grey bar, since it uses PySide Qt4 libs |
| 22:30.33 | antman8969 | i'm guessing using the meegotouch libraries |
| 22:30.36 | antman8969 | but those are deprecated |
| 22:31.02 | antman8969 | afaik |
| 22:31.44 | ieatlint | in short: the whole dev environment is a clusterfuck |
| 22:32.01 | mgedmin | s/dev environment/platform/, I suspect, but then I'm a dour pessimist |
| 22:32.25 | ieatlint | nah, it's more the conflicting dev environments and similar |
| 22:32.38 | antman8969 | pretty much |
| 22:34.10 | vandenoever | hiding some of the QApplication::topLevelWidgets() does not help |
| 22:34.37 | antman8969 | yea i'm pretty sure the answer doesn't lie in standard Qt |
| 22:34.59 | ieatlint | it's truly a: 1. don't use qwidgets, they won't work. 2. don't use mtf, it's deprecated (but you can use it, it'll work). 3. use qml and the non-portable harmattan qml components. they'll probably work, but you'll never be able to port your app |
| 22:35.28 | antman8969 | yes... but 3 is exaggerated |
| 22:35.46 | ieatlint | (and by qwidgets not working, i mean they don't provide any style sheets, and certain widgets are so horribly not touch friendly that they are completely unusable) |
| 22:36.24 | antman8969 | if you stick to com.meego in the QML the app isn't hard to port at all |
| 22:36.33 | antman8969 | from another QML |
| 22:37.26 | mgedmin | so, if I've got a desktop app that uses qt 4, and I don't know qt myself, and I don't know qml, where do I start? |
| 22:37.32 | mgedmin | hello world qml tutorial? |
| 22:37.54 | mgedmin | wrap the custom qt classes of that app as some sort of components and use them in my hello world qml app? |
| 22:38.12 | mgedmin | other things I don't know at all include meegotouch and qt widgets |
| 22:38.19 | mgedmin | or was that qwidgets |
| 22:38.20 | ieatlint | theoretically yes, but you're biting off a HUGE task |
| 22:38.27 | mgedmin | my ignorance is just staggering |
| 22:38.48 | antman8969 | imo... learning QML is very easy and very fast, and making a Ui with it is even faster |
| 22:38.52 | vandenoever | mgedmin: which desktop app? |
| 22:38.54 | antman8969 | you can use the same application logic |
| 22:39.28 | ieatlint | yes, you can pick up qml in a week or two if you don't hit any walls |
| 22:39.45 | mgedmin | vandenoever, fbreader |
| 22:40.01 | ieatlint | but when you get into more complicated things, like embedding qwidgets into qml, you'll have a lot more trouble |
| 22:40.27 | mgedmin | yeah, my other goal is to port a pygtk app to a n950 ;) |
| 22:40.28 | lcuk | mgedmin, is it written in qt4 or is qt4 just a shim around the library code? |
| 22:40.43 | mgedmin | although I plan to take a deep look at gpodder, since it managed to do that somehow |
| 22:40.55 | mgedmin | lcuk, there's an abstraction layer on top of qt4 |
| 22:41.14 | mgedmin | with side-by-side alternative implementations for gtk, hildon, etc... that I intend to mostly ignore |
| 22:41.55 | ieatlint | yeah, so typically here you'd write a new implementation in qml and then have a non-gui qt4 backend to interface with the library |
| 22:43.02 | mgedmin | non-gui, mwahahahaha |
| 22:43.23 | lcuk | mgedmin, shame you are not in #meego, we could have discussed a version suitable for any of the meego uxes |
| 22:43.41 | mgedmin | I used to be in #meego, but didn't have the time to read what people were writing |
| 22:43.55 | mgedmin | I'm still lurking in meego-dev@ |
| 22:44.21 | mgedmin | turns out without a physical device I can't make myself interested in a platform |
| 22:44.29 | mgedmin | if it picks technologies I didn't like (rpm, qt) |
| 22:44.44 | ieatlint | harmattan isn't rpm :P |
| 22:44.45 | SpeedEvil | "" |
| 22:44.46 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:45.10 | mgedmin | harmattan is not meego :) |
| 22:45.31 | SpeedEvil | Lurking here, and attempting to keep sorta-current is the limit of what I can bring myself to do ATM |
| 22:45.32 | ieatlint | that gets far more complicated when you try to define what meego is :P |
| 22:45.45 | jcharpak | fbreader has a gtk+ based ui, a qt4 ui and a qt3 ui of all things |
| 22:45.53 | mgedmin | lots more, I think |
| 22:46.02 | mgedmin | it supports bazillion PDAs |
| 22:46.21 | SpeedEvil | fbreader would be awesome. |
| 22:46.26 | SpeedEvil | I use it a lot. |
| 22:46.38 | mgedmin | the desktop version mostly works |
| 22:46.51 | SpeedEvil | I hope you're not going down the route of scrolly bling ? |
| 22:46.59 | mgedmin | it crashes on task switch -- a segfault in someclassIforgot->device() |
| 22:48.42 | jcharpak | btw I'm fairly sure the maemo ui is gtk based,partially hildonized |
| 22:49.05 | ieatlint | maemo5 is, maemo6/harmattan is not |
| 22:49.19 | ieatlint | there aren't any gtk or hildon libs installed |
| 22:49.50 | jcharpak | well yeah maemo6 version of fbreader doesn't exist yet, right? |
| 22:50.30 | ieatlint | oh, i'm not thinking clearly :) |
| 22:50.35 | ieatlint | i misunderstood what you meant |
| 22:50.48 | jcharpak | sorry lost context the maemo ui of *fbreader* is gtk based |
| 22:51.35 | ieatlint | yeah, i realized that after your comment |
| 22:51.51 | lcuk | mgedmin, where is latest fbreader code? |
| 22:52.12 | jcharpak | my bad, typing using the vkb on my n800 |
| 22:52.14 | mgedmin | lcuk, that's an ambiguous version |
| 22:52.18 | mgedmin | s/version/question/ |
| 22:52.30 | mgedmin | upstream's latest is on github |
| 22:52.46 | mgedmin | my latest .debs are at http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/experimental/ |
| 22:53.00 | mgedmin | they've the same level of functionality as fiferoboy's, currently |
| 22:53.02 | lcuk | mgedmin, i have liqbook |
| 22:53.13 | lcuk | pondering since fbreader has been ported to many uis |
| 22:53.20 | lcuk | if it would be feasible to do a liq* ui |
| 22:53.24 | mgedmin | but I have a source .deb you can dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:53.34 | lcuk | then it would work on all maemo/meego etc |
| 22:53.38 | mgedmin | yeah, I haven't looked deeply into fbreader's code |
| 22:53.59 | mgedmin | I'm sure it's possible, given the number of platforms fbreader's already been ported to |
| 22:54.09 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:54.13 | lcuk | where on github? |
| 22:54.16 | jcharpak | upstream has mostly given up on linux and seems to be mostly working on his port to android |
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| 22:54.30 | mgedmin | that's where the most users are, I suspect |
| 22:55.32 | ieatlint | don't say that, you're ruining our blindness to the outside world |
| 22:55.39 | mgedmin | wouldn't it be nice if harmattan could run android apps? |
| 22:56.28 | ieatlint | i seem to recall a lot of effort to get the n900 to run some android apps |
| 22:57.02 | jcharpak | nitdroid apps work, mostly, calls don't :) |
| 22:57.30 | ieatlint | alien dalvik |
| 22:57.41 | jcharpak | vaporware |
| 22:59.50 | ieatlint | i suspect we'll see something do the job, but it'll be so painfully slow that it's not practical |
| 23:03.43 | lcuk | goes to bed to read more niven |
| 23:03.44 | lcuk | nn \o |
| 23:04.21 | mgedmin | what are you reading, lcuk? |
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| 23:04.53 | lcuk | mgedmin, prequals to ringworld |
| 23:05.06 | lcuk | then for the first time in years, ringworld :) |
| 23:05.13 | lcuk | is looking forward to it |
| 23:06.53 | mgedmin | has read ringworld, but no sequels or prequels |
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| 23:08.50 | SpeedEvil | I recommend 'protector' |
| 23:09.20 | mgedmin | liked the mote in god's eye best from all niven's output, IIRC |
| 23:09.34 | SpeedEvil | That was niven/pournelle |
| 23:10.10 | mgedmin | author collaborations break my mental model of books, damnit |
| 23:10.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.baen.com/library/ |
| 23:10.24 | SpeedEvil | Baen free library. Assorted SF. |
| 23:10.53 | mgedmin | also http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/, more freely redistributable stuff |
| 23:11.11 | mgedmin | baen has sane DRM policies, i.e. no DRM at all |
| 23:11.13 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:11.36 | SpeedEvil | I also use #ebooks over on undernet to get copies of books I own in hardcopy as ebooks. |
| 23:11.49 | SpeedEvil | Also no DRM. |
| 23:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Though only books I actually own. |
| 23:12.45 | SpeedEvil | (including those that I've bought that I can't rea because they have DRM) |
| 23:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:14.28 | SpeedEvil | sighs and wishes he could find a nice CO2 sensor. (to measure expired CO2 for metabolic rate computation. |
| 23:14.39 | SpeedEvil | err - mischa |
| 23:14.40 | SpeedEvil | n |
| 23:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 23:14.56 | mgedmin | why doesn't the n950 come with a CO2 sensor, really? :D |
| 23:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: because it's not designed by me :-D |
| 23:15.32 | vandenoever | SpeedEvil: you have one in your body |
| 23:16.42 | SpeedEvil | vandenoever: I know. Unfortunately, I have no easy way of reading it. I can maintain my weight well, when I'm not active. But I have real difficulty working out how many calories I'm burning when doing random stuff like picking rasperries or ... |
| 23:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm *sure* you can get fairly exact air CO2estimations when you know about air's original CO2 on breath intake (should be ~0%) and blood saturation that's easily obtainable with those IR clips aiui |
| 23:19.50 | SpeedEvil | You can't. Blood oxygenation (carbonation is harder to measure) does not closely track. Bloodflow - for one - compounds it. |
| 23:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Heartrate is a not-so-good proxy that I should probably do instead. |
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| 23:24.48 | mgedmin | brainnotworky, sleeptime zzzz |
| 23:24.55 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 23:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: recal that face color detection? |
| 23:26.44 | SpeedEvil | You mean tracking heartrate and breathing rate through differential colour on exposed skin? |
| 23:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | yo, as a first shot |
| 23:27.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle possible, in practice not really in this app. |
| 23:27.56 | SpeedEvil | (at least for me) |
| 23:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | just wild brainstorming - felt like it :-) |
| 23:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | given the premise you already looked for CO2 sensors, so I won't uselessly duplicate your work |
| 23:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | usually you find the better chips than me ;-) |
| 23:30.21 | SpeedEvil | It woul be an interesting add-on to the camera - informed by the face-tracking, also pop up a little heartrate balloon next to the person. |
| 23:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 23:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | glares to left: N950. To right: Torx-TX6 and other tools |
| 23:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | ponders |
| 23:38.29 | Tronic | Now, did the agreement say anything about physically disassembling the device? |
| 23:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:38.54 | Tronic | Looks like you could get to the battery by opening those four T6 screws. |
| 23:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | those are TX-4 |
| 23:39.18 | Tronic | Ok, couldn't tell by eye. |
| 23:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | been there :-D |
| 23:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | followed achipa's unboxing instructions faithfully :-D |
| 23:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | not really, the screws are still available |
| 23:51.38 | realsportcars | MohammadAG? |
| 23:54.11 | vandenoever | ported warptree to n950 http://www.vandenoever.info/software/warptree/ would be interesting as a touchfriendly file selector |
| 23:54.13 | vandenoever | http://oeba.nl/warptree_0_0_1_armel.deb |
| 23:54.33 | vandenoever | must be run as '/opt/dirview/bin/dirview' atm |
| 23:54.45 | realsportcars | what is this deb? |
| 23:55.16 | vandenoever | basically this: http://www.vandenoever.info/software/warptree/images/rect.png |
| 23:55.42 | vandenoever | with drag you move to different folders, if an image is selected, it shows up in background |
