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00:05.03CIA-403drw * 10opie/noncore/tools/opie-sh/ (7 files): Resource -> OResource
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00:08.45joshua_ibot botmail for jamey: the current thought is something at SiCortex.. startup founded by lots of ex-DEC folk building some sort of massively parallel something. assuming that they in fact make me an offer, I would be bringing up the "node boards" (loading boot code into the CPU's icache from some sort of mcu)
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00:15.09pigeondoes anyone know any good profiling/memcheck tools for/on arm?
00:15.42kergoth`bblwhat sort of profiling are you looking for?
00:15.46kergoth`bblthere are intrusive ones like gprof
00:15.52kergoth`bblor system level non intrusive ones like oprofile
00:15.53kergoth`bblor..
00:16.01kergoth`bbldepends on your needs
00:17.10pigeonhmm... in fact, trying to track down a memory leak... the app running on the desktop doesn't seem to trigger the same problem...
00:17.34kergoth`bblsounds like you really want valgrind.. too bad it doesnt support arm :\
00:17.42pigeonexactly :(
00:17.51prpplaguekergoth`bbl: your still here, get in your car and go away, hehe
00:17.58pigeoni valgrinded on the desktop and it says nothing.
00:18.01kergoth`bbli suppose you could use one of those malloc checking apps, the libs you link to that wrap the calls
00:18.11pigeonand this is uclibc... -pg doesn't work :\
00:18.19pigeonhmm... i suppose...
00:18.21kergoth`bblprpplague: taking a break, i'm really out of shape.  got winded carrying bags to the car
00:18.24kergoth`bblheh
00:18.42prpplaguekergoth`bbl: hehe
00:18.54kergoth`bblif i manage to fit all my stuff, it'll be a miracle
00:19.09prpplaguebtdt
00:19.36kergoth`bblthinking of maybe shipping some stuff to myself in the morning, but i'd really rather leave within an hour from now
00:19.37kergoth`bblbleh
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00:20.43kergoth`bblalright, enough irc, time to avoid distractions and get moving.  if i leave tonight, i'll be back tomorrow evening sometime.
00:20.48zeckehey lorn
00:20.54prpplaguekergoth`bbl: bummer
00:21.02prpplaguekergoth`bbl: gonna be a long drive
00:21.07kergoth`gone14 hours
00:21.17kergoth`gonegonna stop at a hotel tonight instead of going straight through
00:21.21prpplaguekergoth`gone: be careful d00d
00:21.22kergoth`goneno point rushing it
00:21.24kergoth`goneyea
00:21.27kergoth`gonelater man
00:21.28prpplaguelater
00:21.40zeckekergoth`gone: cya :)
00:22.18joshua_where's he heading off to?
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00:48.15PaleoHi
00:49.31PaleoI installed the bootloader on my iPaq. When I hold joystick and press reset, the bootload appear. But I can't do anything else then "boot FlashROM". the console only highlight when I hold the button, and then nothing happens. Also, booting PocketPC always reset it settings.
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01:44.21HeLfReZanyone had problems with quicklauncher disappearing in opie 1.2.0?
01:49.11HeLfReZ?? anyoen here?
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02:13.09Paleoopie's crashing when I put it in the USB cradle :S
02:14.55HeLfReZdont think anyones here hehe
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03:05.31nickv111Hmm, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH5400 states that there is no battery monitor. Is there a way to check the status of a battery without this?
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05:48.30gints|wrkhey all
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08:10.56koengood morning all
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08:21.14kammicazzehi
08:25.03newlook_nickv111: The opie battery applet on my 5450 appears to work okay.
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09:23.13ascentHm, still having problems with bluetooth on ipaq 2210, anyone got that working ?
09:28.33ascentHm, same for SD. It seems, according to the mailinglist, that mmc works, but SD doesn't. Can anyone in here confirm that?
09:34.56newlook_Anyone know what the status of the headphone jack under hh37 (no additional audio modules installed)  is on a h5450?  Internal speaker works wonderful, required pxa modules are loaded as noted in mailing list archives.
09:36.34koennewlook_: it's fix as of hh39
09:36.46koenhh37 needs the hpswitch binary
09:38.12newlook_koen: alrighty, thanks.
09:39.00newlook_I seem to find all the not so well mentioned items. hehe
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09:47.07ascentAnyone ever ran into a program which converts images to the raw format fb0 uses?
09:47.38koenhandhelds.org/scap
09:47.54koenthat does the reverse :)
09:48.07ascentI know :)
09:48.23ascentgetting the images ain't the problem, but the perl used there is way to obfuscated for me :)
09:48.38koendisplay the image -> cat /dev/fb0 > image.raw
09:48.40ascentSo getting it to do the reverse doesn't seem too trivial for the novice perl programmer :)
09:48.42koenthat's the easiest way
09:48.53ascentI know, but the other way around
09:48.59ascentI have file.png, and want it to display on the ipaq
09:49.03ascentso I need to convert it
09:49.08ascentto rgb565 to be precise
09:49.15ascentand gimp doesn't seem to do it, nor paint shop pro
09:49.43koendisplay it fullscreen in opie/gpe and dump the fb
09:51.06ascentHm.. How can I display a png fullscreen in opie ?
09:51.33koenopie-eye or something?
09:53.13ascentLEts see :)
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10:01.38ascentkoen: seems to work, good tip!
10:19.37zapascent: you can also try zgv which can display pictures on fb
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10:20.24ascentopie-eye seesm to do the job
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11:01.59Moshe<PROTECTED>
11:02.06Mosheharet-dump mmu
11:02.53Moshethis one is from a axim x30, where linux boots, x50 ,where it doestn't this is another adress
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11:22.34ascentNice, bluetooth works, let's try sound now.
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12:13.55guylhem1hello
12:14.15guylhem1still looking for linux-2.6.11-rc4-bk11 to apply ipaq1940/acer n30 support patches
12:16.22koenisn't that on kernel.org?
12:17.11koenor in the kernel bk?
12:17.30guylhem1I tried to get handheld.org version - the patch don't apply cleanly
12:17.46guylhem1I tried to get the latest 2.6.12rc4 figuring 11 was a typo - same problem :-/
12:18.10guylhem1It's on http://rtpnet.nerim.net/ipaq/2.6.11-bk1/2.6.11-bk1-h1940.patch
12:18.17guylhem1oops - old version
12:18.19koenthe h1940 person it anti-handhelds.org, so I guessed it would fail to apply
12:18.34mickeylwho would be that ?
12:18.40koenben dooks
12:19.06guylhem1they're publishing patches, but no tarball to apply them
12:19.22Arjanguylhem1: you can get 2.6.11-bk1 from kernel.org, and after that apply the patch
12:19.25Arjanit's really simple
12:19.38guylhem1Arjan - it's not bk1, that's a typo
12:19.53mickeylkoen: ah, ben. right. i guess that doesn't matter as long as he submits patches upstream.
12:20.17guylhem1I purchased a n30 since it's apprently not far from being supported : http://zoo.weinigel.se/n30/
12:20.17koenmickeyl: I think he does
12:20.44guylhem1On http://zoo.weinigel.se/n30/downloads/ you'll see 2611-rc4-bk11-hh2-n30-2.diff
12:20.45koensomeone needs to convert the hh.org SoC to the platformbus and submit that upstream
12:21.21Arjanguylhem1: I have the bk1 patch right here :)
12:21.29Arjanjust looking to find it on kernel.org where I downloaded it
12:21.47guylhem1Arjan - I need rc4-bk11 - And I've no idea where I can find 2611-rc4-bk11-hh2
12:21.51mickeylkoen: yes, that would be important.
12:21.53mickeyl(soc)
12:22.04guylhem1When I saw hh2 I though it was for hh.org kernel :-/
12:22.06Arjanguylhem1: why not just use the latest patch?
12:22.38guylhem1Arjan, rc1 seem anterior to rc4
12:22.58Arjanthe latest is 2.6.11-bk1-h1940
12:23.01guylhem1mickey, is there no samsung cpu support in hh 2.6 ccurrently &
12:23.12guylhem1Arjan - really? interesting.
12:23.23Arjanguylhem1: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH1940Downloads
12:23.29mickeylguylhem1: no idea. i'm not tracking hh.org kernel tree except pestering people to submit stuff to russell
12:23.32mickeylor the other guys
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12:25.44guylhem1Arjan-  do you have that kernel ? can you check if http://zoo.weinigel.se/n30/2611-rc4-bk11-hh2-n30-2.diff applies or if it's already nicluded in?
12:26.01Arjanyes, I do have that kernel
12:26.36Arjanbut the n30 is not the same as the h1940, so I guess there are some big differences apart from the patch being for 2.6.11-rc4-bk11-hh2
12:27.29guylhem1I couldn't reach the n30 guy. I asked him a link to the version against  which the patch was done, no reply :/
12:27.44Arjanbtw, your link doesn't exist
12:27.50guylhem1let me check it
12:28.22guylhem1http://zoo.weinigel.se/n30/downloads/2611-rc4-bk11-hh2-n30-2.diff
12:30.21guylhem1I can send you a copy by email if you want
12:30.55ArjanI have it now
12:31.10Arjanbut as I guessed, it doesn't apply
12:31.33guylhem1[weinigel.se is firewalled by my isp (tele2) - wonder why]
12:32.35guylhem1looks like it need a "hh2" tree. That sounds a lot like handhelds.org ?
12:32.37Arjanis the n30 more or less the same device as the h1940?
12:32.42guylhem1mostly
12:32.50Arjanthat's the hh.org tree, yes
12:33.04guylhem1it's got some specific stuff which weinigel patches fixes
12:35.22ArjanI guess you should be able to get 2.6.11-rc4-bk11-hh2 from hh.org cvs, but I dont have enough experience with cvs to know how to do that
12:37.40guylhem1Arjan - I think I got it - read http://rtpnet.nerim.net/ipaq/2.6.11-bk1/changelog
12:38.01guylhem1bk1 supercedes 2.6.11-rc4-bk11
12:38.49guylhem1hopefully n30 patch against 2.6.11-rc4-bk11 will apply against 2.6.11-bk1 as well. In the worst case I'll fix it by hand.
12:39.12Arjanfixing it by hand would definitely be possible, just look in the *.rej files
12:39.38guylhem1Arjan, do you have a 1940 ?
12:39.45Arjanyep
12:40.08guylhem1how is 2.6.11-bk1 working on it? what's not working yet?
12:41.06Arjansee the status page on the wiki :) not working: BT, Power, Sound, BL
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12:41.34guylhem1I saw the status page- I'm asking you because it differs from n30 report
12:41.58guylhem1which says bt is working. regarding power, I guess it's suspend/resume.
12:42.29Arjanwell, since I can't get usbnet (ethernet gadget) to work, I can't test anything :(
12:43.59Arjanwould you know which BT chip is in the n30? is it the same (Zeevo) as in the h1940? if so, that would be very good news for the h1940 port
12:44.45koenArjan: if it's hooked up to the uart it should work out of the box
12:44.55koenthe zeevo works with hci_uart on the h2210
12:46.03Arjankoen: it's indeed hooked up to the uart
12:47.54Arjanif I ever get usbnet running, it's one of the first things I'll try
12:50.06Arjankoen: do you have experience with usbnet? whatever I do, it never works :(
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12:51.23koenArjan: it "just works" over here with 2.6 on both ends, that's all I know
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12:53.04Arjankoen: do you need to unload the ipaq and usbserial modules from your workstation before connecting the linux ipaq?
12:54.27koennot that I know off
12:54.37koenbut I don't have them loaded anyway
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13:08.10ascenthmm, Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
13:08.18ascentThat's the last line on the console, but the ipaq keeps running fine :)
13:08.22ascentinit no longer required ?
13:09.12Korvinhmm =)
13:09.23Korvinwhat version do you have?
13:10.03Korvin(familiar)
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13:39.58Mosheis there a staticly compiled X somewhere?
13:40.19Moshei need to put it into a initrd
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13:44.30newlwicked, bitbake has had a massive speed boost in the past three weeks
13:48.54prpplaguenewl: yea, there was a new series of improvments
13:49.07prpplaguenewl: including a huge drop in memory requirements
13:49.14newland then some
13:49.31newlit uses tops of 11MB now.  That's outstanding.
13:50.16mickeylsecond wave of revamping will tackle parsing speed
13:50.27mickeylbut that'll take a while to develop
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13:59.37pb_hi all
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14:01.30Nermalibot seen tanget
14:01.37ibotNermal: i haven't seen 'tanget'
14:01.37Nermalibot seen tangemt
14:01.38iboti haven't seen 'tangemt', Nermal
14:01.41Nermalibot seen tangent
14:01.42ibottangent is currently on #intimate (2m 44s)
14:01.46Nermalah :)
14:02.02koenintimate is back from the dead?
14:02.19jameyhi pb_
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14:02.54jameyI haven't managed to update a dns server yet, but ddnsv6d is sending updates to the server
14:05.01pb_hi jamey
14:05.03pb_ah, cool
14:05.15jameyalso, if hostname is hostname.domainname, it tacks that all on the front of the dynamic domain name
14:05.40prpplaguepb_: philbert!
14:05.45pb_oh, right, whoops.  I guess none of my machines are set up that way.
14:05.59pb_should be easy enough to have it strip off the bit it doesn't want.
14:06.20pb_prpplague: g'day
14:06.21NermalI was thinking of a 5550 ? any thoughts ?
14:06.32jameypb_: it doesn't seem to work on a laptop using 6to4 though
14:07.23koenNermal: bluetooth support might improve and 2.6 support is in the works
14:07.39koenNermal: it does still have the strange powermanagement bugs
14:07.40Nermalkoen, I hear the newer models aren't as well supported
14:07.43prpplaguepb_: hey, awhile back rmk and wrikm were discussing making some changes in the way the arm machine registry was being done, do you know if anything came out of that?
14:07.54koenNermal: hx2xxx should do well
14:07.56Nermal48mb of ram :O
14:08.02prpplagues/wrikm/erikm
14:08.03Nermalthe 2200 ?
14:08.03koenas well as the h2210 and hx4700
14:08.11Nermalhumm
14:08.19Nermal4700 better for linux atm than the 5550 ?
14:08.44koennot entirely sure about that
14:08.54Nermalhmm. I want integrated wifi :|
14:08.56pb_jamey: maybe you don't get netlink notifications for addresses that were added manually.
14:09.01Nermalso the 2200 is out :/
14:09.09pb_prpplague: not that I know of
14:09.39newlstrange sounds about right.  with 0.8.2 and hh37, my 5450's display will blank after awhile and won't come back unless opie is restarted. hehe
14:10.37prpplaguepb_: so i have a question then, how do normally handle machine numbers for boards that you never intend on releasing? use a bogus number?
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14:11.33pb_prpplague: varies.  if I expect the board to be around for a while, I normally register it and get a proper number.  if it's a one-off prototype, I either reuse an old number or just pick a random bogus one.
14:11.41jameypb_:  maybe the address didn't actually get re-added when I did ifdown; ifup.  It does get notifications for manual address configuration.
14:12.22prpplaguepb_: for the boards you register, do you try to push patchs, or just register and keep the code internal?
14:12.52pb_prpplague: just register the number, then keep the code internal.  I figure there's no point sending patches for a board that nobody else will ever see, unless there's something particularly interesting about the supporting software.
14:13.22pb_of course, if I end up writing drivers that could be reused on other platforms, I do try to get them merged.
14:14.26prpplaguepb_: hmm, the only problem with registering is that we sometimes don't want our competition knowing we have a new product in the works
14:14.35pb_jamey: ah, right
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14:15.08lonewolffi wonder if anyone can help me, i cant seem to get my ipaq to connect to my wireless network
14:15.31lonewolffi have set the encryption key and essid and the wifi light goes green saying its connected but it never gets and ip
14:16.06lonewolffoh hello there nermal
14:17.11newllonewolff: KISS.  Disable all encryption, make sure the ESSID is in upper case, the correct channel is chosen, etc.
14:17.22newlOnce it works from there, start enabling other things.
14:18.05lonewolffnewl: it should work, it was working yesterday
14:18.18lonewolffi cant disable encryption as that will disconnect all my devices
14:18.46newlCan't means won't try. :)
14:19.05pb_prpplague: mm, I guess that could be a problem.  obviously, you don't need to say anything about what the product is when you register it, but if the very fact that you are working on something new is confidential, I guess registering it is not an option.
14:19.07newlIt's all part of trouble shooting..strip everything back to what _should_ work.
14:19.29lonewolffnewl: i regret asking now, ill just go work it out myself
14:19.59newlhokay
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14:27.22ascentgrmbl, battery status @ 2210 is weird.
14:29.12lonewolffhmmm wep works fine after a reflash but stopped working before :S thats strange
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14:34.47KorvinAnybody knows how to connect ordinary USB devices (such as USB flash drive) to PocketPC?
14:35.36mickeylWhat is a 'PocketPC' ?
14:35.50guylhem1a windows thingy. no good
14:36.00guylhem1get a handheld instead :-)
14:36.11newlIt's the new hand held Amiga. :D
14:36.19koenKorvin: ratoc cfu1u
14:37.10ascentShould battery monitoring already work, kernel wise?
14:37.18ascentI modprobe'ed apm and battery, both load fine
14:37.29ascentgives me a /proc/apm, but the battery level is -1 :)
14:37.36ascent(also with power disconnected)
14:37.51KorvinWhat is a 'PocketPC' ? | ipaq for instance %)
14:38.13Korvinsorry guys, i found it by myself
14:38.21Korvinalready :)
14:38.47Korvinif in doubt: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UsbHost :)
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14:49.46ascenthm, opie doesn't build with OE for now, using their wiki
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15:08.00Arjankoen: is there a way to tell hci_uart to use a specific uart for BT?
15:09.19pb_It uses the one you tell it with hciattach.
15:11.10ArjanI should have known that
15:11.21Arjandefinitely time to go home... bye!
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15:19.16guylhem1anyone with a Samsung S3C2410 handheld (ex: 1940, n30) ?
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16:00.09Paleoany idea why opie's crashing when I put it in the USB cradle ?
16:00.10prpplaguepb_: hehe, sharp uses the term "porch" instead of "margin" in their docs on lcds, guess it was translated from japanesse or something
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16:09.16Korvinwhen I put it in the USB cradle ? | what handheld do you have/
16:09.17Korvin?
16:13.42pb_prpplague: that term comes from old-style analogue video
16:14.05prpplaguepb_: ahh
16:15.14prpplaguepb_: hey, quick question, have you run across a kernel module/driver that makes char dev nodes for gpios? (ie /dev/gpioa0 /dev/gioa2 etc...)
16:18.05pb_no, not that I can think of
16:18.12pb_actually, I was looking for something like that myself earlier today.
16:18.29prpplaguepb_: i've started work on one, just haven't finished it yet
16:18.54prpplaguepb_: we want to make a couple of 8 bit gpio banks available to the end user
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16:23.23pb_prpplague: yah, I have a similar requirement on the s3c2410
16:24.14pb_not actually end users, but I need to control a few banks of gpios from application code, and it doesn't really justify a dedicated kernel driver.
16:26.32pb_hrm, I wish busybox ifupdown would pass the hostname to udhcpc without needing it listed explicitly in the interfaces file.
16:27.02pb_or, alternatively, I wish busybox udhcpc would send the hostname without needing to be told it on the commandline.
16:27.03pb_heh
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16:46.24pb_mreimer: yo
16:46.30mreimerhi pb!
16:46.48koen|supperhey mreimer
16:46.57mreimerhey koen. how's supper?
16:47.26mreimerpb_: I got suspend/resume to work on h2200 with wince's bootloader
16:47.31pb_mreimer: awesome!
16:47.36mreimerpb_: with a nasty, evil hack
16:47.40pb_using some variant of the Purdie technique?
16:47.48mreimerwhat's the Purdie technique?
16:48.01koen|supperthe hx2700 way
16:48.03mreimerI looked but couldn't find anything about how he did it
16:48.26pb_I'm not sure, exactly.  I think he reserves some special memory region and stuffs magic values in there for the bootloader to restore its state from.
16:48.47pb_iirc, it expects to read the system state from a hard-wired address in sdram.
16:48.51koenmreimer: congrats! (and the supper was good)
16:48.51mreimerwas it discussed here, or on one of the lists?
16:48.59pb_either here or in #oe
16:49.25pb_it was a few weeks ago now, but ibot's logs should have the details
16:50.03prpplaguepb_: so are you gonna write a driver?
16:50.08mreimeron h2200 the wince bootloader jumps to 0xa0040000 rather than referencing PSPR, so what I do (forgive me Koen, since you just ate) is, when suspending, to save whatever three words are at that address and stuff some relocatable assembly that moves PSPR into pc; then on resume I restore those three words.
16:50.09prpplaguepb_: for the gpio's that is
16:50.38mallummreimer: speak to RP, he did a similar thing on 2750
16:50.52mreimerRP: you there?
16:51.07mreimermallum: thanks
16:51.13mreimerSpyro will need to do something similar
16:52.08pb_prpplague: yah, probably.  I did have an old one that I used on the xscale, which exported some kind of ioctl interface.
16:52.30pb_it was a bit gruesome and machine specific, though, since the ioctl argument was a struct with one bit per pin.
16:53.43prpplaguepb_: since my gpios are grouped in 8bit banks, i was thinking of doing something like gpioa would be for all 8 bits and gpioa0 be for bit 0
16:54.19pb_mreimer: ah, right.  yeah, that sounds fairly similar to the hx2700 situation.  iirc, on those, the bootloader expects to find a register dump at 0xa000mumble, which it just loads back up.  the register set includes the PC, so you can make it jump to whereever you like after that.
16:54.31prpplaguepb_: then have an ioctl for input/output where you could either cat or echo to it the node
16:54.35RPmreimer: hello
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16:55.24pb_mreimer: your solution sounds OK to me.  shuffling data around like that is a bit gruesome, but I can't think of any good alternative.  You can't really punch a hole in the kernel image at that point.
16:56.13FearLesscan someone please tell me how to get my ipaq 3970 in bootloader?
16:56.20mreimerRP: I hear you got hx2700 working with the wince bootloader. We have a similar situation on h2200, where the bootloader jumps to 0xa0040000 rather than pulling pc from PSPR. Can you describe how you got it working? I'm just saving and restoring enough words at that address to stuff code in there to move PSPR into pc.
16:57.15RPmreimer: Taking advantage of the jump was my original plan for the hx2700 but I found a different segment of the bootloader read some weird structure pointed to by PSPR. I therefore created that structure in Linux and filled it with some magic values that jump to Linux
16:57.46mreimerRP: can you point me to the code where you do that?
16:58.14mreimerpb_: ok. Should I wrap that vulgarity with a test for machine type == h2200 and commit it to mach-pxa/pm.c? Of course that will never go upstream. :-)
16:58.55RPmreimer: Look for hx2750_pxa_pm_enter in http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/ipaq/hx2750_base-r14.patch
16:58.58FearLesscan someone please tell me how to get my ipaq 3970 in bootloader? , the manual says press the joypad butten and reset but that doesnot work for me.
16:59.03pb_mreimer: sure
16:59.11mreimerRP: thanks
16:59.25pb_mreimer: I don't think there's any real reason why it couldn't go upstream, at least not in principle.
16:59.30RPmreimer: Have a look at how I've altered pm.c in this next patch before you do that
16:59.52pb_FearLess: that is the correct procedure
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17:00.08mreimerpb_: If I were to send it upstream, I might use a pseudonym ;-)
17:00.20RPmreimer: Actually, its in the above patch - also see the changes to pm.c
17:00.22pb_mreimer: heh
17:00.46RPmreimer: You might also need http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/corgi_power1-r1.patch
17:00.49mreimerRP: ok, and then I'll check our bootloader. yours is HTC, right?
17:00.55FearLesspb_: it keeps just starting windows ce, and all i see in my hyperterm session is CLIENTCLIENTCLIENT
17:01.05RPmreimer: wrong. Its mircosoft derived
17:01.11pb_FearLess: do you actually have the handhelds.org bootloader installed?
17:01.40RPmreimer: If yours jumps directly to a value, you'll need your method, not mine
17:01.46FearLesspb: yes, but i will upload it again then
17:01.52RPYou can still use the changes to pm.c though
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17:02.12mreimerRP: yes, it does jump to 0xa0040000, which happens to be smack dab in the middle of the kernel
17:02.57RPmreimer: Right - Your plan is what I was orignally planning to do before I found this other segment of the hx2700 bootloader
17:03.24mreimerRP: I wish I could do things your way--your changes to pm.c are much cleaner.
17:04.05RPmreimer: You should be able to use those changes
17:04.40mreimerRP: how?
17:04.56mreimerRP: I'm looking at the pspr changes
17:05.57RPmreimer: You need to look a bit closer. See the bit which says:+pxa_pm_enter_orig=pxa_pm_ops.enter;
17:05.59RP+pxa_pm_ops.enter=hx2750_pxa_pm_enter;
17:06.31mreimerRP: ah, I see, in hx2750_test.c
17:06.39RPYou can then intercept the call to pxa_pm_enter with your own function
17:07.02RPYou setup the memory structure there (and set the pspr value)
17:07.13RPYou then call the original saved function
17:07.48RPThere are a number of further insane things you can do with this - see corgi_power-r22.patch for some really evil usage :)
17:07.48mreimerok, I see. That's much cleaner. So that's where I'd save/restore my three words and stuff my code in.
17:08.27RPYes, you'd alter your three words of memory, then call pm_enter_pxa
17:08.33RPpxa_pm_enter even
17:09.03RPIts clean enough to probably get mainline acceptance
17:09.13RPYou'll probably need http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/patches/corgi_power1-r1.patch
17:09.31mreimerRP: are you planning to push this upstream?
17:09.48RPmreimer: yes, once the corgi_power code is stable
17:10.01RPI'll certain ask on the arm-linux list about including it
17:10.21mreimerRP: are you planning to commit to hh.o cvs in the meantime?
17:10.32mreimerRP: or would you mind if I did, for the h2200 folks?
17:10.43RPmreimer: I can do. I really need to update the hx2700 code in there
17:10.50RPfeel free to push it yourself though
17:12.02mreimerRP: I'm going to be traveling this next week starting tomorrow; if you don't get to it before then, I'll tease out the pm.c changes from your patches and commit those.
17:12.13mreimerRP: thanks for your help, and for the clean solution
17:12.40koenmreimer: holidaytrip?
17:12.59RPmreimer: np, I'll try and get the hx2750 code synced up
17:13.52mreimerkoen: sort of. my youngest sister is graduating from high school, so the whole family is coming from all over the US to get together to celebrate. It'll be quite a week with all 16 of us (including kids) crammed into my parents' house. :-)
17:14.21koenmreimer: congrats for your sister
17:14.41mreimerkoen: thanks
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18:43.56Spyrohi guys
18:44.13Spyrohas anyone here used JTAG on a SA1100  ?
18:44.32pb_yes, but it was years ago.
18:44.45Spyropb_: I have trouble with mine
18:44.58Spyropb_: I have nTRST tied high
18:45.28Spyropb_: and the other signals connected to my parallel port via an adapter which worked for the PXA chips ive jtagged
18:45.39pb_right
18:45.48Spyrobut I get an all zero device id
18:47.15pb_oh dear.
18:47.30pb_well, I guess the strongarm is electrically a bit different to the pxa255.  Maybe it doesn't like your adapter for some reason.
18:47.40pb_can you inspect the signals to see what's going on?
18:48.17Spyroim scoping up the thing as we type
18:51.06Spyrocurious... tdo does appear to be changing state...
18:51.28koenbusted cap?
18:51.52Spyrono cap inline there
18:52.35koenspeaking of jtag, is there a jtag+kbd solution out there I could build?
18:53.09koenmy googlepowers were too weak
18:53.30pb_heh, I don't even know what jtag+kbd is.
18:54.17koenkdb
18:54.50pb_oh, right, that makes a bit more sense.
18:55.05pb_I was trying to figure out why you could possibly want a keyboard combined wth jtag
18:55.25Spyroheh. me also :)
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19:18.18Spyroweird.
19:18.31SpyroIm watching TDO as I clock the data
19:18.40Spyroit seems to pulse instead of hold its level
19:19.59joshua_jamey: ping
19:20.08mreimer_hey joshua_!
19:20.12joshua_hi matt
19:20.31mreimer_when does school get out for the summer?
19:20.55Spyrohey, joshua
19:21.12joshua_few weeks...june 17
19:21.16Spyrojoshua_: why do you set TDO high when clocking data in in libjtag ?
19:21.42joshua_going on vacation in Little Cayman for a week after, though
19:21.44joshua_spyro: looking
19:21.46mreimer_joshua_: hopefully no more lame papers to write with predetermined theses and conclusions?
19:21.55mreimer_joshua_: cool! do you dive?
19:22.24joshua_mreimer_: I do. I got my advanced openwater cert last summer.
19:23.27joshua_spyro: line?
19:23.39mreimer_joshua_: sweet! should be nice down there
19:24.09joshua_mreimer_: as far as I know, no more papers with predetermined theses... I think the new one gives me a thesis option
19:24.20mreimer_joshua_: cool
19:24.23Spyrojoshua_: grep for PROG
19:24.50joshua_that's interesting
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19:25.00joshua_I'm not really sure.
19:25.09joshua_it shouldn't be needed.
19:25.16Spyroindeed
19:25.32Spyroits a bit naughty Id have thought...
19:25.37Spyrodriving an output...
19:26.35joshua_well, it's not actually driving it
19:26.43joshua_you read TDO from the control pins
19:26.58Spyrohm yes of course
19:26.59joshua_so that's just driving d7, as opposed to SLCT, ERROR, etc
19:27.29Spyrohow odd anyhow
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19:29.32lonewolffi finally got wifi working, but i wonder if anyone can help me with an nfs issue, i try to mount an nfs share, it doesent give any errors but when i cd to the mountpoint there is nothing there
19:34.41koenyup, it's Guinness time
19:35.00prpplague~guinness koen
19:35.01ibotACTION pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout and hands it to koen
19:35.08koen:)
19:35.10koencheers
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19:36.28ascentkoen: welcome :) When can we hire you again? :)
19:39.33lonewolffkoen: you might know, are there any issues with mouting nfs shares in 0.8.2?
19:39.39lonewolffmounting even
19:39.55koenlonewolff: haven't tried that
19:40.03lonewolffah ok
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19:47.41joshua_hmm..
19:47.55mreimer_joshua_: talking in your sleep?
19:48.01joshua_spyro: why did you reimplement fflash?
19:48.20joshua_mreimer_, yeah, saw one thing of interest when doing a pre-crash cvs up, and went "?"
19:48.44Arjankoen: too bad... BT doesn't work out of the box on the h1940 :(
19:48.51Spyrojoshua_: fflash is my implementation. I reimplementd rflash :)
19:49.16joshua_Spyro, right, I guess taht's what I meant
19:49.18koenArjan: ah, too bad
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19:49.35Spyrojoshua_: partly because it wouldnt work, partly for learning
19:49.46jameyhi joshua_
19:49.50joshua_hi jamey.
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19:50.05joshua_spyro: ah. I saw your gibber.S as well.
19:50.25Spyrojoshua_: heh
19:50.30joshua_jamey: I trust ibot gave you my message?
19:50.38mreimer_Arjan: if it really has Zeevo TV2001P, then it should work. h2200 has the same chip. You'd just need to find out how to power the chip up and reset it.
19:51.25jameyjoshua_:  yes, ibot gave me your message.  sounds interesting.
19:51.35Arjanmreimer_: the chip is the same, and it is connected to one of the UARTs, but I can't connect to it. even when I enabled it from wince before booting linux
19:52.16mreimer_booting linux may power the chip down, depending on how the GPIOs are configured by the 1940 code.
19:52.20joshua_jamey: I'm looking forward to it.
19:52.35Spyrowhats interesting? :)
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19:53.08jameyI know matthew reilly and jud leonard from when I worked with the alpha microprocessor advanced development team, pre-skiff
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19:54.31joshua_yup
19:55.09jameyshould be fun
19:55.13SpyroAre you guys gonna share your secret? :)
19:55.15Arjanmreimer_: it just might... was just hoping it'd work right out of the box :) don't have any kernel programming skills (yet) :(
19:55.47joshua_spyro: heh. I may be getting a job this summer at a startup doing parallel stuff.
19:56.08Spyrojammy bugger.
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19:56.11Spyro:)
19:56.14mreimer_joshua_: cool!
19:56.32jameywith former alpha cpu architects and circuit designers
19:56.50Spyrojamey: nice :-)
19:57.13joshua_mreimer_, that was my thought :)
19:57.50mreimer_joshua_: will it be a paying job, or just one of those internships where you get the privilege to work for them for free?
19:58.11joshua_I believe that I will be getting paid.
19:58.18CIA-403mickeyl * 10opie/noncore/unsupported/tabmanager/ (- New directory): Directory /cvs/opie/noncore/unsupported/tabmanager added to the repository
19:58.25mreimer_joshua_: very good!
19:58.52Spyrojoshua_: how come clock_bits_out does clockin followed by clockout, wheras clock_bits_out_rev does them the other way round ?
19:59.09Spyrojoshua_: imaginary money ;-)
19:59.19joshua_very likely that I ended up using one at one point in time, and the other one fell into disrepair.
19:59.35Spyrooddly, both appear to work...
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19:59.49joshua_is one of them off by one?
19:59.57Spyroone gets used to read IDs, and the other gets used in my read_chain() function
20:00.05Spyroboth appear to work
20:00.11Spyroin their respective code
20:00.31SpyroI dont know HOW but...
20:00.32Spyro:)
20:01.02Spyrojoshua_: whay Im *trying* to do is get my SA1100 to actually work :)
20:01.22joshua_heheh
20:03.15CIA-403mickeyl * 10opie/ (31 files in 3 dirs): tabmanager -> unsupported
20:08.59joshua_ok, I'm out for some hours.
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20:32.17Spyrohrm. I seem to be able to select captur_ir mode (it clocks out %00001 which is what the SA1100 manual says...)
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20:41.08SpyroROTFLOL
20:41.14SpyroFigured it out :)
20:41.23SpyroSA1100 uses different numbers for its commands
20:41.30Spyrohow stupid is that? :)
20:42.39||cwjust as stupid as HP using number like 276 and 253 to identify trays instead of 1, 2, 3 and using different numbers on different models
20:42.59Spyrohaha
20:43.30||cwso to find a certain tray you first have to have the driver setup right, then you have to enumerate all the trays and make another api call to find the trays name from the driver
20:43.46||cwand just hope the driver calls the tray what you think it will
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20:45.28Spyroactually this is a royal pain in the rear
20:45.42Spyrolibjtag uses the idcode instruction to identify the CPU type and now it cant.
20:45.46Spyro*argh*
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21:23.40Arjanthis is probably a stupid question, but I want to be sure: can GPIOs be used from userspace?
21:24.04zeckeArjan: that depends
21:24.24zeckeArjan: devmem can
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21:24.47ArjanI'm thinking about writing a little (test-)program to enable the GPIO used to enable bluetooth
21:25.04Arjanwhat depends it on?
21:27.48zeckeArjan: use devmem2
21:29.17Spyroanyone have a clue what the JTAG guard values are for a SA1100 ?
21:29.28Arjanzecke: the version from openembedded? I'll try it, thanks
21:29.30Spyrothe manual says to use them but doesnt say what they are
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21:45.15arrasehi
21:46.11koen'night all
21:46.53arrasei try to compile void11 for ipaq but i have a lot of errors and don't compile? anyone with more lucky than me?
21:47.18arrasei'm from spain and my english is basic sorry
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21:49.04tigruxarrase: No hay problema. :-)
21:49.07techsouparrase, es mas facil si intentas temprano
21:49.14techsoupah, salvado por la campana
21:49.34techsoupentrale tigrux
21:49.54arraseok :)
21:50.00tigruxarrase: Qué es void11, y dónde estás tratando de compilarlo?
21:50.43arrasevoid11: http://www.google.es/url?sa=U&start=2&q=http://www.wlsec.net/void11/&e=9707 y lo intento en el cluster de handhelds
21:51.42tigruxarrase: Entonces podermos dar por hecho que tu instalación del ambiente de OE está completa. Ciero?
21:51.46tigrux* cierto?
21:51.51arrasekiero hacer una aditoria de seguridad a mi red y solo me falta ese soft
21:52.01tigruxarrase: Pega la salida del error en alguna parte, para ver los errores.
21:52.23joshua_spyro: get the bsdl?
21:52.30arraseok pero tardare un poco limpie el cluster antes de salir la ultima vez
21:52.34tigruxarrase: www.pastebin.ca o algo así.
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21:58.19Spyrojoshua_: that involves effort :-)
21:58.35Spyrojoshua_: I can read the sa1100 chip ID now though
21:58.48prpplagueSpyro: via jtag?
21:58.55arrasetigrux http://rafb.net/paste/results/qQehpn49.html
21:59.30arrasetrato de compilar solo el de consola
21:59.33Spyroprpplague: yes
21:59.47prpplagueSpyro: lovely
22:00.34arrasepuede que sea por la version de hostapd?
22:03.42tigruxvoid11.c:538: structure has no member named `ioctl_sock'  <-- todo indica que tienes una biblioteca diferente a la que esa cosa espera.
22:04.16zecketigrux: where does void11.c come from? I don't you've a library mismatch
22:04.55tigruxzecke: arrase is trying to compile a software that fails with that error.
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22:05.48arrasei think is a library error too but y try with 3 version
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22:09.14arraselo estoy intentano con las libreias liberedas antes de la empaketacion del source del programa a ver si cuela
22:11.30arraseohhh shit mierda i fix that but now i have another problem
22:11.44arrasechecking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
22:11.44arraseIf you meant to cross compile, use `--host'
22:12.03arrasewhat it is that?
22:13.33arraseit's the first time i compile for ipaq,
22:14.54arraseun momento
22:15.22arrase[gtk_config] Error 1??? i don't whant gtk gui
22:15.34arraseok i hink i do it
22:15.39arrasecreo ke lo he logrado
22:16.11arraselos biarios que quiero estan compilados
22:19.48arrasevoy a ver si funciona
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22:20.42arraseai alguien esta intersado en esos binarios solo tiene que pedirlos
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22:22.07dafthi, is there a list with suported devices?
22:23.33arrasevisit www.handhelds.org
22:24.36daftI must be blind then i cant see it
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22:25.41CIA-403drw * 10opie/noncore/applets/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Resource -> OResource
22:26.38arrasetry this http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/install/download.html
22:27.06arraseand this other http://www.handhelds.org/geeklog/links.php
22:27.43arrase:) there the current running machines and the other projects
22:30.27daftK i guesed that that was a compleat list with devices with a link to the dev sites
22:31.19arrasei understand, sorry i don't know that list
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22:34.33arrasei do it!!! the binary runs ok!! two fucking days searching the correct library,arggg i anybody want a copy just tell
22:34.42arrasevoid11 for ipaq
22:35.55jameylater all
22:40.28arrasesee you boys and girls xDD
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