| 00:01.16 | Spyro | seletz: sorry baby emergency. back now |
| 00:01.58 | seletz | Spyro: heh, got a child to watch for? |
| 00:02.02 | jacques | so someone is actually working on pxa pcmcia ide? that's really good news |
| 00:02.19 | Spyro | yeah |
| 00:02.25 | seletz | yeah, I absolutely _need_ it. |
| 00:02.39 | Spyro | ok... lets get cracking |
| 00:02.42 | seletz | Spyro: same over here ;) |
| 00:03.26 | seletz | Well, i just started a new patch series, goal: Break Up Tha Mess, Man |
| 00:04.32 | seletz | Spyro: CF isnt that hard, i did it for the SA in BLOB, so ... |
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| 00:07.54 | zap | pb_: hmm, interesting, mq11xx has a common way of switching backlight and disabling the chip. Won't they work on h5400? |
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| 00:11.43 | pb_ | zap: I don't know. |
| 00:11.59 | zap | pb_: in particular, GC00R bit 0 turns off power to flat panel interface and gfx controller |
| 00:12.25 | pb_ | zap: but leaves the rest of the chip powered? |
| 00:13.17 | zap | aha so samcop powers it off completely? |
| 00:13.22 | pb_ | yes |
| 00:13.31 | zap | thats perhaps better indeed |
| 00:14.14 | zap | on axim this is either impossible or done through pxa gpios |
| 00:14.24 | zap | because there's no samcop and such |
| 00:14.26 | pb_ | right |
| 00:18.07 | zap | pb_: btw why you did separated lcd and backlight modules? |
| 00:18.20 | zap | pb_: aren't they responsible for almost the same? |
| 00:18.28 | pb_ | zap: that was jamey's architecture, but I guess because they are conceptually different things. |
| 00:19.01 | zap | used by different clients? |
| 00:19.10 | pb_ | in theory |
| 00:19.16 | zap | ok |
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| 00:34.45 | pigeon | hmm, we actually have a e740 here. |
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| 00:41.12 | zap | good night everyone |
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| 00:42.55 | pigeon | woohoo! |
| 00:43.01 | pigeon | I got my arm cd from arm.com |
| 00:43.43 | Leeds | now all you need is the delivery from leg.com! |
| 00:44.01 | pigeon | wings.com ;) |
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| 00:44.06 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:44.59 | tmbg37 | hey guys, i got my ipaq back from HP |
| 00:45.06 | ricmm | and i got a new phone |
| 00:45.10 | ricmm | we are all getting stuff |
| 00:45.23 | tmbg37 | but i still can't apply a ROM update |
| 00:45.37 | Leeds | I got... a holiday to go on tomorrow (Thursday) :-) |
| 00:45.38 | tmbg37 | and bootblaster still tells me that flash is in an unrecognized state |
| 00:45.44 | ricmm | Leeds: where to |
| 00:46.12 | Leeds | ricmm: Paris |
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| 00:46.24 | ricmm | Leeds: great |
| 00:46.46 | Leeds | ricmm: yeah :-) I'm going partly for a concert and partly because... well.. why not? :-) |
| 00:46.54 | ricmm | heh |
| 00:47.53 | Leeds | I've never been to South America... been to USA, Europe, Asia, Australia... |
| 00:48.25 | ricmm | Why never South America |
| 00:48.34 | Leeds | haven't made it yet :-) |
| 00:48.39 | ricmm | you should come here, you are going to NEVER find a beach or a climate like the one in here :P |
| 00:49.22 | Leeds | some day... I'll hold you to that... |
| 00:50.23 | tmbg37 | i guess my problem is out of your guy's scope |
| 00:50.23 | ricmm | heh |
| 00:50.45 | tmbg37 | *you |
| 00:50.51 | tmbg37 | err |
| 00:51.01 | tmbg37 | i don't know how that sentence was supposed to come out |
| 00:51.09 | ricmm | lol |
| 00:51.20 | Leeds | tmbg37: you didn't explain your problem, really... but yeah - I don't really know about bootblaster... that's a bit specialised |
| 00:51.48 | tmbg37 | my problem is that i can't apply hp rom updates to my ipaq |
| 00:52.01 | ricmm | ask jamey |
| 00:52.03 | ricmm | when he comes in |
| 00:52.06 | Leeds | ask HP... |
| 00:52.11 | ricmm | ibot seen jamey? |
| 00:52.13 | | jamey <~jamey@3ffe:4015:ffff:11:2e0:63ff:fe81:cc92> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 5h 48m 49s ago, saying: 'later all'. |
| 00:52.13 | tmbg37 | and that bootblaster tells me that my flash is in an unverified state |
| 00:54.22 | pigeon | Leeds: btw, legs.com does look funny :) |
| 00:55.04 | Leeds | pigeon: um, porn? |
| 00:55.23 | ricmm | prolly |
| 00:55.33 | pigeon | oh |
| 00:55.38 | pigeon | sorry, i mean leg.com |
| 00:55.49 | Leeds | bah :-) |
| 00:56.10 | Leeds | yes, leg.com does look funny... legs.com less so :-) |
| 00:56.26 | pigeon | heh |
| 01:23.35 | pigeon | ~change 6750 usd to aud |
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| 01:43.58 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe/base/gpe-contacts by 07moray: There is no 'cs' translation in CVS, so removing from LINGUAS. |
| 01:45.18 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe/base/gpe-edit by 07moray: There is no cs translation in CVS, so removing from LINGUAS to fix build. |
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| 01:50.46 | tmbg37_ | so i just tried flashing my backup bootloader image, and bootblaster says that it's not a valid image |
| 01:55.39 | tmbg37 | does anyone have a 5450 bootloader image they could lend me? |
| 01:59.29 | tmbg37 | is anyone here at all? |
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| 02:05.52 | juser123 | howdy all! |
| 02:06.16 | tmbg37 | juser123, would you happen to have a h5400? |
| 02:06.45 | juser123 | nope.. got a sick h3600 |
| 02:06.49 | tmbg37 | darn |
| 02:07.24 | juser123 | I seem to have lost my boot kernel, is there anyway I can get at my data? |
| 02:07.44 | juser123 | i can paste in the message i get after trying to boot. |
| 02:07.46 | tmbg37 | there's probably some stuff you can do with the bootldr, but i'm not sure how |
| 02:08.14 | juser123 | I was thinking about reloading the kernel via the bootldr but didn't want to loose the rest of the data on the unit. |
| 02:08.28 | tmbg37 | well, that's possible too |
| 02:08.34 | tmbg37 | but like i said, i don't know how |
| 02:08.48 | juser123 | anyone have an idea. I really don't want to loose the $500 bucks in mileage expense records on this unit. |
| 02:10.21 | juser123 | dang... |
| 02:10.48 | tmbg37 | if you check back later here, i'm sure there will be more knowledgeable people than i |
| 02:11.36 | juser123 | cool. thanks. |
| 02:11.41 | pigeon | juser123: what exactly has happened? |
| 02:12.10 | juser123 | well.. I was using it. suspended it. came back several hours later and it wouldn't turn on. |
| 02:12.23 | juser123 | so i gave it the reset and all it would do was the bootldr |
| 02:12.46 | juser123 | I'm in on the bootldr via serial and can talk with it, jsut no boot. says kernel is not cool. |
| 02:12.53 | pigeon | hmm and so what's the booting error now? |
| 02:13.00 | juser123 | I can paste in the exact error if that would help |
| 02:13.14 | juser123 | booting boot/zImage from partition >root< |
| 02:13.14 | juser123 | find_inode failed for name=zImage-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh13 |
| 02:13.14 | juser123 | Failed to resolve inode file structure |
| 02:13.14 | juser123 | loaded file of size = 0x00000000 at location 0xC0008000 |
| 02:13.14 | juser123 | kernel partition base C0008000 |
| 02:13.15 | juser123 | kernel_magic=C5E50391 |
| 02:13.17 | juser123 | kernel_region_words[9]=EACF33F7 |
| 02:13.19 | juser123 | Unrecognized kernel image |
| 02:13.28 | pigeon | hmm |
| 02:13.57 | pigeon | well, first to one of your questions, you can dump and save the whole root image in bootldr. |
| 02:14.54 | pigeon | looks like you have a bad filesystem, but i don't see why it will happen. |
| 02:14.59 | juser123 | ok. so dump the image and then try to re-load? what can I use to get at the image data? |
| 02:15.21 | tmbg37 | compile in jffs support for your kernel, maybe? |
| 02:15.47 | juser123 | ahh.. then I can mount it. great idea. I'll give it a swing |
| 02:15.50 | pigeon | another thing, you should be able to mount and see files in the fs on the flash in bootldr, too. |
| 02:16.00 | juser123 | how do i do that? |
| 02:16.35 | juser123 | i have not played with the bootldr except for initial setup of the environment |
| 02:16.36 | pigeon | hmm check the help in the bootldr, i cannot remember the exact command. |
| 02:16.46 | juser123 | ok. checking. brb |
| 02:17.02 | tmbg37 | pigeon, would you know where i could find a parrot image for 5450s? |
| 02:17.23 | tmbg37 | mine seems to be somewhat corrupt |
| 02:17.24 | pigeon | tmbg37: no clue, i thought it would be at http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/wince/ but it's not. |
| 02:18.20 | fr0zen | wow, i had a similar prob last week (but i didn't loose anything i cared about) i'll have tp rmember all this :) |
| 02:19.02 | pigeon | juser123: you were trying to boot a kernel that you build yourself? |
| 02:19.03 | tmbg37 | pigeon, is it possible that the 3900 bootloader will work? |
| 02:19.28 | pigeon | I would say no. |
| 02:19.57 | juser123 | prigeon: nope. just normal usage and it pooped out. |
| 02:20.24 | juser123 | sorry prgeon. |
| 02:20.28 | pigeon | juser123: right... hmm... |
| 02:20.46 | juser123 | dang.. pigeon.. i'll get it right. too freaked out over loosing data right now. sorry. |
| 02:21.34 | tmbg37 | fr0zen, have you a 5400? |
| 02:24.45 | pigeon | juser123: you should be able to download the root partition by "save root" over xmodem. |
| 02:25.26 | juser123 | pigeon: xmodeming as we speak. then I'll try to mount it and extract my data. |
| 02:25.50 | pigeon | cool |
| 02:26.37 | MonMotha | remember, you can't just loop it, you'll need mtdloop support |
| 02:27.22 | pigeon | yep |
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| 02:45.20 | juser123 | huh.. mtdloop support? |
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| 02:52.05 | brulez | does the ipaq normally use the flash space as ram? |
| 02:52.28 | pigeon | juser123: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoopBack |
| 02:54.37 | brulez | what does the "cached" space represent in the memory tab of sysinfo? |
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| 02:58.57 | pigeon | brulez: number of bytes of data cached by the kernel (i know this isn't really a very good description though) |
| 03:01.36 | brulez | pigeon: is that being cached in the flash rom section of memory instead of the volatile ram? |
| 03:02.24 | MonMotha | isn't that that the fs read cache? |
| 03:02.26 | MonMotha | or is that buffers? |
| 03:03.17 | pigeon | no, not flash rom, the ram I think. |
| 03:03.21 | pigeon | yes, fs read cache |
| 03:03.42 | MonMotha | k |
| 03:08.30 | tmbg37 | brulez, MonMotha, are either of you 5400 users? |
| 03:08.40 | MonMotha | nope, I have a good ol' 3765 |
| 03:09.04 | brulez | no, ipaq 3850 |
| 03:09.36 | tmbg37 | darn |
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| 03:17.29 | tmbg37 | kergoth, think you might be able to tell me where i can get a h5450 parrot image? |
| 03:17.40 | kergoth | i dont even own an ipaq :) |
| 03:17.45 | kergoth | so nope |
| 03:17.49 | tmbg37 | oh :( |
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| 03:18.46 | fifth | hi all |
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| 03:19.06 | france | fifth: hi |
| 03:19.11 | fifth | can anyone give advice on flashing wince back onto a 3850 |
| 03:19.15 | france | ibot parrot image |
| 03:19.17 | | france: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:19.23 | fifth | lol |
| 03:19.34 | france | ibot fishslap yourself |
| 03:19.37 | | ACTION slaps yourself up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:19.49 | france | ibot fishslap ibot |
| 03:19.52 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:20.15 | fifth | i've flashed from an update but when booting it dies on 'disabling lcd controller' |
| 03:20.22 | MonMotha | tmbg37: I believe there is a wince feed |
| 03:20.53 | france | tmbg37: and there are instructions on taking an image from Compaq upgrade CDs on the wiki |
| 03:20.59 | france | MonMotha: Hi! |
| 03:21.04 | MonMotha | hello france |
| 03:21.38 | france | fifth: tell us more! |
| 03:22.58 | france | fifth: how did you do this? How did you verify that the image used for the update was for your HW, etc.... |
| 03:23.18 | fifth | ok, i used the compaq upgrade SP21474 and extracted the NK_Glamis3812021WWE.nbf file and deleted the 1st 32 bytes, gzipped it and used bootlaoder to 'load root' |
| 03:23.44 | fifth | but when i reset or boot it stops with the 'lcd disableing' message |
| 03:23.53 | france | fifth: that is perfect! |
| 03:24.11 | fifth | so ... i'm putting familiar/opie back on for now |
| 03:24.29 | fifth | just the my wireless card doesnt work to well with familiar |
| 03:24.47 | fifth | france ... but it doesnt work :( |
| 03:25.02 | france | fifth: you did a good job! you did not even come close to creating a brick. it sounds like you loaded a wince image that did not match your HW. |
| 03:25.14 | fifth | ah |
| 03:25.21 | pigeon | france: hi! |
| 03:25.34 | fifth | could be, i'll need to go back and check on the comapq site |
| 03:25.38 | france | pigeon: Hi! |
| 03:26.00 | france | fifth: since you have attempted to reload familar, tehn I assume that you have a boot prompt? |
| 03:26.20 | fifth | yep, wasnt going to touch that until i could boot |
| 03:26.46 | fifth | got linux booting as i type ... |
| 03:27.18 | france | fifth: Well Done! |
| 03:27.26 | france | fifth: which model did you say you had? |
| 03:27.27 | fifth | :) thanks |
| 03:27.32 | fifth | 3850 |
| 03:29.21 | france | on ftp://handhelds.org/feeds/wince somebody has loaded a 3800 and a 3870 image. |
| 03:29.50 | fifth | cool, thanks i'll check it out |
| 03:31.03 | france | does your unit have blue tooth? |
| 03:31.08 | fifth | no |
| 03:31.25 | fifth | i guesss the 3800 image should be okay |
| 03:31.27 | france | then we know that the 3870 image will probably not work on your unit. |
| 03:31.46 | france | fifth: :-) |
| 03:32.30 | fifth | :) worth a shot ... |
| 03:33.16 | fifth | just rechecked the compaq downloads, looks like i did download the correct image ... strange |
| 03:34.37 | france | fifth: keep at you are on the right track, I suspect that you will get it soon. |
| 03:35.12 | france | fifth: When you do find the solution, please feel free to add to the wiki. This will make it easier for anybody else with similar issues. |
| 03:35.22 | fifth | yep, will do |
| 03:36.49 | tmbg37 | france, my problem is that i don't have the correct parrot firmware |
| 03:37.32 | france | tmbg37: which model do you have? |
| 03:37.54 | tmbg37 | 5455 |
| 03:38.03 | tmbg37 | also, i checked the wince feed, and it wasn't there |
| 03:39.11 | fifth | france: thanks for the help |
| 03:40.23 | france | fifth: you are welcome |
| 03:40.33 | france | fifth: you may also want to see: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Restoring%20Windows%20CE%20from%20the%20Compaq%20iPAQ%20Update |
| 03:40.56 | france | there is a person that restored their 3850 and give the exact filenames and procedure they used. |
| 03:41.13 | france | tmbg37: I am still hunting for about for something. |
| 03:41.24 | fifth | thanks, but i've tried that as well, flashed the split files individually and got the same result |
| 03:42.30 | france | fifth: I have a 3850 at the office but I will not be back in until Monday. |
| 03:42.51 | france | fifth: if you do not have it by then, I would be happy to see what happens on my unit. |
| 03:43.24 | fifth | thanks, appreciate it ... i'll see how i get on |
| 03:46.13 | france | tmbg37: do you have pocketpc restored? |
| 03:46.53 | france | tmbg37: It is sort of late and my memory is fuzzy, but I do remeber seeing the solution to your problem, I just can not find it. <sigh> |
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| 03:50.31 | tmbg37 | yeah, i have it restored, but i can't apply HP ROM updates, and bootblaster can't recognize the bootloader |
| 03:50.52 | fifth | tmbg37, theres a rom update at the hp site for your model, you can extract the parrot from the update ... |
| 03:50.54 | fifth | http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/handheldiPAQ/us/download/18285.html |
| 03:51.33 | tmbg37 | i've tried that |
| 03:51.40 | fifth | ah |
| 03:51.49 | fifth | so you got the parrot.bin file? |
| 03:51.59 | fifth | and tried to load bootldr? |
| 03:52.29 | tmbg37 | parrot.bin? |
| 03:52.31 | tmbg37 | where's that? |
| 03:52.43 | france | I would hope he tried load root, to verify wince works, before replacing the bootldr. |
| 03:53.02 | tmbg37 | no, it can boot fine |
| 03:53.11 | france | :-) |
| 03:53.18 | tmbg37 | but i can't apply rom updates and bootblaster can't recognize the bootloader |
| 03:54.03 | fifth | have a look at the link to handhelds.org that france posted above |
| 03:54.17 | france | fifth: :-) |
| 03:54.25 | fifth | :) |
| 03:54.40 | france | well it is that time. I must head off to sleep. |
| 03:54.51 | tmbg37 | yeah, i'm kind of tired too |
| 03:55.12 | fifth | i'm almost considering not bothering, its not late anymore, its early :( |
| 03:57.51 | fifth | bye all |
| 03:57.56 | fifth | got to go |
| 03:58.09 | france | good night! |
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| 04:59.43 | juser123 | I'm back. did the save root and followed the mount proceedure in the wiki. no joy. I get a mounted jffs2 but it does not contain the stuff I can see if I do a ls from the bootldr. help. |
| 05:00.38 | tmbg37 | well, what is in it? |
| 05:00.48 | juser123 | just /usr |
| 05:01.07 | tmbg37 | that's weird |
| 05:01.20 | juser123 | from the bootldr i can ls around and see the files I'm after. no kidding that's weird. |
| 05:01.47 | juser123 | I'm trying a save all and see if that is any different, but it's a 2hour wait to see. |
| 05:02.36 | juser123 | i had to insmod the modules and create the node files for the mount to work. I'm running SuSE9.0 |
| 05:02.54 | tmbg37 | you should use devfs :) |
| 05:03.03 | juser123 | devfs? |
| 05:03.12 | tmbg37 | yeah |
| 05:03.26 | juser123 | is there a wiki on how to do that? |
| 05:03.31 | tmbg37 | it automatically makes devices on the fly |
| 05:03.39 | tmbg37 | just compile your kernel with it enabled |
| 05:04.05 | tmbg37 | it's under filesystems |
| 05:04.29 | juser123 | coolness. is there a way to see if it's already compiled in? |
| 05:04.56 | tmbg37 | yes, if you need to use mknod, then it's not compiled in |
| 05:05.29 | tmbg37 | also, usb serial converter devices are listed as /dev/usb/tts/0 rather than /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 05:05.43 | juser123 | i guess that would be obvious. i'll remove the mtdblock under /dev and compile in the support. |
| 05:06.11 | juser123 | yup.. i have a usb serial and it is listed as ttyusb0... off to the kernel compile races. |
| 05:06.53 | tmbg37 | most of the other devices have the same names, though |
| 05:07.27 | tmbg37 | y'know, for compatability |
| 05:07.42 | tmbg37 | anyway, i find it incredibly useful, and cool |
| 05:08.21 | tmbg37 | maybe a little frustrating when a device that you want to be there isn't, but what can you do |
| 05:08.39 | juser123 | excellent. I'll give it a shot. its midnight so what the heck, right? |
| 05:08.58 | tmbg37 | yep |
| 05:10.02 | tmbg37 | geez, it is midnight |
| 05:10.13 | tmbg37 | i've still got homework to do :( |
| 05:14.04 | juser123 | hehe. yeah. |
| 05:14.53 | tmbg37 | so today the cd-rom drive in my old computer crapped out |
| 05:15.09 | tmbg37 | and the other one in it, which is also a cd-rw drive, really really sucks |
| 05:15.26 | tmbg37 | i wanted to install ut2003 on it, but it looks like that won't be happening for a while |
| 05:15.44 | tmbg37 | i just installed linux on it yesterday |
| 05:16.28 | juser123 | while I've been waiting I installed winXp on a vmware slice under linux. works pretty well. |
| 05:16.50 | tmbg37 | vmware or windows :-P? |
| 05:19.10 | juser123 | vmware with a WinXP Pro guest running in it. not too bad on performance. |
| 05:19.55 | juser123 | the vmware... :) |
| 05:20.07 | juser123 | too slow on the up take. |
| 05:20.34 | juser123 | I think that is my queue to pull the plug tonight and see what happens in the morning. |
| 05:20.53 | juser123 | l8r |
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| 05:34.22 | pigeon | morning joshua_ |
| 05:34.27 | joshua_sleep | night pigeon |
| 05:34.30 | pigeon | nite joshua_ |
| 05:34.39 | pigeon | geez, time flies. |
| 05:34.42 | hhgate | <joshua_> yes |
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| 06:40.01 | omi007 | somebody up? |
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| 06:52.10 | omi007 | How do I get the latest kernel with ipkg? What do I put in /etc/ipkg.conf? Thanks a lot! |
| 07:09.07 | Burner_uni | omi007: hmm what kernel do you have installed? |
| 07:09.11 | Burner_uni | hh30 ? |
| 07:09.21 | Burner_uni | I think thats the newest. |
| 07:14.10 | Burner_uni | well I need to go now. maybe so elese is arround ... but as far as I heard there is some working on 2.6 and at the end of this week +- 3 days 1.0.3 should be released. |
| 07:14.14 | Burner_uni | Have a nice day :) |
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| 08:01.18 | omi007 | Burner_uni: sorry for the delay! uname -a gives "Linux familiar 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh30"! |
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| 08:56.54 | Spyro | seletz_: hi |
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| 09:10.45 | omi007 | hi! Could somebody tell me what configuration I have to use in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 09:11.09 | omi007 | in order to get the latest kernel and gpe? Currently I have the stable 0.7.2! |
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| 09:56.20 | omi007 | hi! Why is "/sbin/hwclock" telling me: "hwclock: Could not access RTC: Device or resource busy"? |
| 09:56.36 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe/base/gpe-conf by 07florian: Changes icon to symbol for selected button now. |
| 09:57.20 | omi007 | I'm asking because the clock is off by approx. 1 min/h! So I try "/sbin/hwclock --systohc"! |
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| 10:37.59 | absolvo_te | re |
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| 10:38.48 | absolvo_te | ppl, i wonder if familiar linux runs on hp 2210 ipaq. Does anybody know? |
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| 10:39.38 | Cathore | hi |
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| 10:50.11 | Burner23 | hi Cathore |
| 10:50.56 | Burner23 | hmm well bye. |
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| 11:02.13 | absolvo_te | does the topic mean that Familiar runs on 1910??? |
| 11:02.26 | absolvo_te | shit, i understand damn nothing |
| 11:09.46 | moray | absolvo_te: it means the experimental new bootloader runs on a 1910, so progress is being made |
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| 11:12.39 | ryan_ | hey joshua_ any luck with ur lcd? |
| 11:12.50 | Cathore | hi |
| 11:13.22 | Cathore | i got working familiar 0.72 on my h5450... :-) |
| 11:13.42 | Cathore | but atm without wlan... can anyone help me? |
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| 11:14.20 | Spyro | seletz_: hello? |
| 11:15.11 | absolvo_te | moray oh i see... |
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| 11:33.57 | omi007 | hi ryan! Do You know why I cannot access the hardware-clock with /sbin/hwclock! I keep |
| 11:34.12 | omi007 | geting "hwclock: Could not access RTC: Device or resource busy"! |
| 11:37.01 | pigeon | omi007: atd is running? |
| 11:40.07 | ryan | hi omi007 |
| 11:40.13 | ryan | what he said ^^^^ |
| 11:40.51 | Cathore | hello |
| 11:41.31 | Cathore | is there a special way to enable wlan on ipaq h5450?? |
| 11:45.44 | omi007 | pigeon: yep! I'm asking because I would like to ntpdate -> "/sbin/hwclock --systohc"! |
| 11:46.08 | omi007 | Otherwise my internal clock is slow by 1 min per hour - or even more! |
| 11:48.10 | omi007 | On my SuSE8.2-Linux-Box I do that, even if atd is running! It shouldn't be a resource-problem? |
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| 13:55.37 | CIA | commit to module 09apps by 07mallum: composite bits updated to newer api. lowlight experiments |
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| 14:12.07 | ricmm | crap |
| 14:12.21 | ricmm | it is not nice when someone comes and say, the deadline for the thing is Dec 3 |
| 14:12.26 | ricmm | and you have not yet started and it is long |
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| 14:17.07 | Leeds | ricmm: you weren't expecting sleep between now and then, were you? |
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| 14:22.33 | Tyg_w_babies | rehi all |
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| 14:26.58 | dc_ti | ibot seen Morn |
| 14:26.59 | | i haven't seen 'morn', dc_ti |
| 14:27.03 | dc_ti | hey |
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| 14:47.57 | mallum | Leeds: hi |
| 14:48.07 | mallum | Leeds: how do I know if my battery's toast ? |
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| 14:50.13 | Chicken | hi |
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| 15:04.31 | Leeds | mallum: iPAQ battery? why do you think it might be? |
| 15:04.55 | mallum | Leeds: yeah light not coming on :/ |
| 15:05.06 | Leeds | with a running kernel? |
| 15:05.21 | mallum | yeah. |
| 15:05.37 | TyggerBob | Mallum: it's running? |
| 15:05.40 | Leeds | hmm... is it discharged? a new kernel? |
| 15:06.20 | mallum | TyggerBob: no not yet |
| 15:06.34 | TyggerBob | ok.. I thought you said it had a running kernel.. |
| 15:06.47 | TyggerBob | Leeds, you use sqlite at all? |
| 15:06.48 | mallum | Leeds: last time I used it, did an ipkg upgrade, rebooted , gets to blank X and just hangs so left it |
| 15:07.06 | Leeds | TyggerBob: I think I looked at it briefly once |
| 15:07.12 | Leeds | mallum: nothing on the serial? |
| 15:07.13 | TyggerBob | I'm stuck... |
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| 15:07.27 | TyggerBob | never mind. got out of it. |
| 15:07.27 | Leeds | and if you boot to a shell does it work? |
| 15:07.51 | mallum | Leeds: I cant hit the reset switch whilst its in its cradle to get serial |
| 15:08.15 | Leeds | mallum: sure you can! the paperclip trick... |
| 15:08.23 | TyggerBob | Mallum: you have a couple seconds to get it into the cradle before it starts booting |
| 15:09.48 | mallum | hmmm |
| 15:10.44 | Leeds | mallum: if you bend up the end of a paperclip, you can stick it in and hit reset while in the cradle... |
| 15:11.13 | mallum | Leeds: okey. good find a paperclip |
| 15:12.53 | Leeds | well... I've got a few here :-) |
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| 15:36.22 | absolvo_te | hello |
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| 15:44.34 | omi007 | I messed up /etc/ipkg.conf! What are the entries to get the "latest unstable" for h55xx? Thanks! |
| 15:46.31 | TyggerBob | omi007: src/gz unstable http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable |
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| 15:50.35 | TyggerBob | France: Hiya |
| 15:50.47 | france | TyggerBob: Hello! |
| 15:51.00 | ricmm | argh |
| 15:51.06 | ricmm | why do i get unresolved symbols with my alsa drivers |
| 15:51.14 | ricmm | if the system maps show the missing symbols inside |
| 15:51.17 | france | you are not alone! |
| 15:51.24 | absolvo_te | omi007: did familiar work on your 55? |
| 15:51.34 | france | the alsa drivers give everybody headaches. |
| 15:51.45 | ricmm | FUCK |
| 15:51.57 | ricmm | s/U/S |
| 15:52.07 | ricmm | ;) |
| 15:52.53 | omi007 | absolvo_te: Every time I (re)install familiar (after switching back to WinCE) something more works :-) |
| 15:53.59 | omi007 | absolvo_te: Resume does not work :-(; the clock is strange (atd somehow locks the RTC!) |
| 15:55.23 | omi007 | absolvo_te: In order to /sbin/hwclock -w I had to first stop atd :-P |
| 15:56.28 | france | omi007: is the improvement with the same version of familiar or newer versions? |
| 15:56.55 | france | jg: good morning |
| 15:57.20 | france | jg: snow predictected for Sunday! |
| 15:58.05 | france | jg: I was just chatting with ricmm, he is having problems with the alsa drivers (along with everybody else). |
| 15:58.09 | omi007 | france: I have a version dated Nov. 17 (0.7.2 stable), then update/upgraded! |
| 15:58.16 | france | jg: Any suggestion as to whom he should bug? |
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| 15:58.53 | france | omi007: what type of handheld device are you using? |
| 15:59.12 | Harlekin | what was the command in bootldr to load a certain file as kernel |
| 15:59.13 | Harlekin | ? |
| 15:59.21 | omi007 | france: h5550! |
| 15:59.36 | TyggerBob | Ricmm: what problem are you having witht the alsa drivers? |
| 15:59.47 | TyggerBob | I got them to work ok on my 5450 |
| 15:59.54 | TyggerBob | chewy, but it works |
| 16:00.06 | ricmm | TyggerBob: i mean, on my pc :P |
| 16:00.19 | TyggerBob | Ohhhh. sorry |
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| 16:01.57 | omi007 | TyggerBob: Sound seems to work altough I would like alarms not to go via ALSA! Is that possible? |
| 16:02.27 | TyggerBob | dunno.. just started playing with alsa yesterday |
| 16:14.39 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07ar: work around sucky distributions (from HEAD) |
| 16:14.52 | jg | france: any chance I'll get to try out my brand-spanking new snowblower? |
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| 16:17.24 | ricmm | done |
| 16:17.28 | ricmm | fixed hehe |
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| 16:27.38 | TyggerBob | jg: what kind of snowblower do you have? |
| 16:28.17 | ryan_ | TyggerBob: i think her name is Shelly |
| 16:31.37 | hhgate | <joshua_sleep> ooh spiffy |
| 16:31.51 | hhgate | <joshua_> france: how much? |
| 16:33.44 | TyggerBob | hehehehe |
| 16:33.57 | TyggerBob | Rehi Josh |
| 16:34.16 | hhgate | <joshua_> hi TyggerBob |
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| 16:38.23 | jg | TyggerBob: as I have about 300 ft (almost 100meters) of driveway, a pretty big 2 stage one. |
| 16:39.21 | TyggerBob | Ahhh. |
| 16:39.26 | nelson | jg: I have 600' of driveway. |
| 16:39.38 | nelson | jg: and a truck with a plow! Ya gotta. |
| 16:40.09 | jg | TyggerBob: mine's about a 10hp unit, IIRC. |
| 16:40.22 | jg | nelson: If I lived where you do, I probably would too.... |
| 16:40.47 | TyggerBob | nelson: you guys get a lot of snow there too? |
| 16:41.25 | nelson | TyggerBob: actually, not so very much. We're far enough from Lake Ontario that it's already dropped its snow by the time it gets to us. |
| 16:43.03 | jg | we sometimes get "interesting" north-easters.... |
| 16:43.49 | nelson | jg: yes, that would be a problem for you. For us, that usually brings freezing rain. Not a problem ... unless it comes to be an inch thick! |
| 16:49.44 | hhgate | <joshua_> jg: is it possible to 5turn off x11's keyboard autorepeat on an application level? |
| 16:49.59 | mallum | hhgate: xset |
| 16:50.29 | TyggerBob | I'm in Ottawa here and we get LOTS of snow.. as well as the odd freezing rain storm |
| 16:50.40 | TyggerBob | that's and it's FRIGGIN cold ;) |
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| 16:53.53 | hhgate | <joshua_> mallum: that's system level.. |
| 16:54.11 | hhgate | <joshua_> mallum: I'm writing a game, and I don't want holds of keys to autorepeat.. |
| 16:54.21 | mallum | hhgate: oh ok. check the source for xset then ;-) |
| 16:54.28 | hhgate | <joshua_> heh |
| 16:54.30 | mallum | hhgate: wait I'll tell you the xlib call |
| 16:54.38 | hhgate | <joshua_> well that would mean that I'd have to clean up after myself when I exit my app... |
| 16:54.46 | hhgate | <joshua_> alright thanks\ |
| 16:54.51 | hhgate | <joshua_> s/\\// |
| 16:56.01 | mallum | hhgate: XAutoRepeatOn(Display *dpy) + XAutoRepeatOff(DIsplay *dpy) |
| 16:56.49 | mallum | hhgate: if its a game, Id also grab the keyboard and take control of it |
| 16:56.57 | mallum | hhgate: just release it when you exit |
| 16:57.47 | hhgate | <joshua_> I do grab the keyboard... |
| 16:58.49 | hhgate | <joshua_> thanks |
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| 17:30.35 | mallum | hhgate: what game is it ? |
| 17:34.43 | hhgate | <joshua_> X-Plane |
| 17:34.47 | hhgate | * joshua_ eating lunch, bb in 10 |
| 17:37.14 | ricmm | hey joshua |
| 17:37.15 | france | hhgate: only a few inches. |
| 17:38.15 | mallum | hhgate: whats X-Plane ? |
| 17:38.21 | mallum | hhgate: please eplain X-Plane |
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| 17:41.03 | hhgate | <joshua_> http://www.x-plane.com/ |
| 17:41.08 | hhgate | <joshua_> I'm porting it to Linux |
| 17:41.42 | Leeds | ah, that |
| 17:42.26 | Ormod | Umm, I think x-plane works on Wine. |
| 17:42.38 | Ormod | But of course a native port is desirable. |
| 17:43.22 | hhgate | <joshua_> x-plane does work under wine, although my tests show native is MUCH faster |
| 17:43.40 | hhgate | * joshua_ lunching |
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| 17:44.17 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe/base/gpe-beam by 07florian: Added french to list of translations. |
| 17:46.02 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe/base/gpe-aerial by 07florian: Added French to list of translations. |
| 17:52.06 | hhgate | * joshua_ </lunch> |
| 18:05.57 | hhgate | <joshua_> from oss.pdf: "Trying to play data in an unsupported format is a fatal error. The result is usually just loud nouse which may damage ears, headphones, speakers, concrete walls, and other unprotected objects." |
| 18:08.47 | jobi | Hi |
| 18:09.26 | jobi | Here we have an iPAQ that does not start anymore, after it seems to have run out of battery |
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| 18:11.00 | jobi | I already had the case, and after a while of loading, and sometime by removing the battery, it finally started, but this time it seems dead |
| 18:11.12 | jobi | anyone has any such experience ? |
| 18:12.03 | france | jobi: which model? |
| 18:12.09 | jobi | 5550 |
| 18:12.45 | france | ibot 5500 battery |
| 18:12.47 | | france: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:12.57 | france | ibot fishslap ibot |
| 18:13.00 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:15.37 | france | jobi: from my fuzzy memory, the 5500 is very similar to the 5400, but I thought the batter charger was under software control. |
| 18:15.43 | france | jobi: which os are you using? |
| 18:16.05 | jobi | france: linux |
| 18:17.27 | france | It makes me wonder if the battery charger is working when the unit is suspended. |
| 18:17.43 | france | jobi: the person that is working on the 5500 port is on holiday until monday. |
| 18:19.13 | france | or it could be a dead battery |
| 18:19.40 | TyggerBob | Jobi, do you have an expansion sleeve with a battery in it? |
| 18:19.47 | jobi | yes |
| 18:20.08 | TyggerBob | when you plug it in, is the light on the back of the sleeve flashing? |
| 18:22.07 | jobi | TyggerBob: I just plugged it and it vibrated |
| 18:22.21 | TyggerBob | that's a good sign |
| 18:22.28 | TyggerBob | is the sleeve flashing? |
| 18:22.33 | jobi | and the green light is on |
| 18:22.34 | jobi | yes |
| 18:22.39 | TyggerBob | try booting it |
| 18:22.42 | jobi | seems back to life, thanks |
| 18:23.40 | france | :-) |
| 18:23.41 | jobi | :) |
| 18:24.04 | jobi | it was a bit of a panic here, we have a demo tomorrow |
| 18:24.16 | TyggerBob | glad things are working.. |
| 18:24.20 | TyggerBob | whatcha demo'ing? |
| 18:24.38 | jobi | sip services on ipaq |
| 18:24.43 | TyggerBob | cool |
| 18:24.52 | TyggerBob | France, do you wiki at all? |
| 18:24.57 | TyggerBob | on hh.org? |
| 18:25.10 | france | yes |
| 18:25.35 | TyggerBob | how does one get started? |
| 18:26.00 | TyggerBob | I wanted to set up a page about all the voodoo about using a 54/5xx with familiar |
| 18:26.23 | france | see the bottom of http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HOWTO%20Build%20a%20Cross%20Toolchain%20in%20Brief |
| 18:26.38 | TyggerBob | a script to start the wifi, how to reclaim the extra 16/32mb of flash in mtdblock/2 etc... |
| 18:26.44 | france | to get started pick a point in the hierarchy. |
| 18:27.33 | france | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HelpPage |
| 18:28.38 | france | so all you need to do, is find where you want to add your new page and add the link to the page, which will create a new page. |
| 18:28.50 | france | it is so easy even a VP can do it. :-) |
| 18:29.13 | france | at times it is too easy, and I need the help of a 10 year old to figure things out. |
| 18:31.19 | TyggerBob | hehehe |
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| 18:31.55 | trewin | hi, i restored wince_img |
| 18:32.38 | trewin | and have the bootldr.. everything is ok.. but when i do a soft-reset .. it turns everything like a hard-reset |
| 18:32.43 | france | TyggerBob: play with the sandbox. I You will get the hang of it. In the worst case just send an e-mail to admin@handhelds.org and we can revert back to a known good page, as everthing is under revision control. |
| 18:32.51 | trewin | this is in an ipaq3630 |
| 18:33.04 | trewin | can anyone tell me why? |
| 18:33.14 | france | trewin: I assume that this is when running wince |
| 18:33.22 | trewin | yes |
| 18:34.09 | france | wince keeps much of its data in DRAM, when you reset the unit and pop into the bootldr, DRAM gets reset as the bootldr needs some DRAM its own execution. |
| 18:34.33 | trewin | i have the bootldr and had the linux.. and now i restored the wince image.. and when i do a soft-reset.. it erases everything and start the wince from the beggining... like the hard-reset |
| 18:34.42 | france | the newer bootldrs, should allow a soft reboot back into wince with out loading the bootldr into DRAM, unless you hold down one of the buttons on the unit during the reset. |
| 18:35.15 | trewin | i have the 2.21.12 version |
| 18:36.00 | trewin | so.. what can i do? |
| 18:37.27 | france | ibot booting wince |
| 18:37.29 | | france: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:40.23 | france | there was a long discussion on the ipaq mailing list in early nov 2002 on this subject, that I am trying to find in the archives. |
| 18:40.56 | france | If I find the tread of e-mails, it is probably faster than me typing everything. :-) |
| 18:41.49 | france | trewin: try: http://handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2002-November/016051.html, but there is some more current data. |
| 18:48.32 | TyggerBob | France: I tried adding a WikiName to the sandbox (BobDavies) but it doesn't seem to like it. is it because the guy above ended in a !? |
| 18:49.06 | france | TyggerBob: looking... |
| 18:50.04 | france | so what happens when you click on the ? after your name? |
| 18:50.59 | TyggerBob | DOH.. |
| 18:51.01 | TyggerBob | I get it now |
| 18:51.04 | france | :-) |
| 18:51.06 | TyggerBob | Ok.. that's too easy |
| 18:51.17 | TyggerBob | Thanks.. |
| 18:51.21 | france | TyggerBob: your welcome! |
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| 19:03.06 | zap | hi |
| 19:14.09 | silverwolf | Is there a C++ IDE for the PDA? |
| 19:14.12 | silverwolf | in wince |
| 19:16.23 | zap | hehe |
| 19:16.33 | zap | crazy enough to write code on a PDA? |
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| 19:23.45 | trewin | where can i get the dd command for windows? |
| 19:25.41 | TyggerBob | ibot: what's google? |
| 19:25.43 | | well, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 19:26.36 | trewin | yes.. i'm tryng there |
| 19:26.43 | trewin | trying |
| 19:26.55 | trewin | but no luck |
| 19:28.06 | TyggerBob | ftp://ftp.uu.net:/vendor/sun/solaris/x86/dd.exe |
| 19:30.09 | trewin | thank you |
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| 19:47.14 | dIEhARD | how can i setup a cisco aironet card on familiar? no driver loads automatically! |
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| 19:50.32 | france | ibot aironet |
| 19:50.37 | | france: bugger all, i dunno |
| 19:50.48 | france | ibot pcmcia |
| 19:50.49 | | i guess pcmcia is Personal Computer Memory Card International Association. People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms |
| 19:50.59 | france | ibot wireless |
| 19:51.01 | | extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is The Z supports most prism2 compact flash based wireless 802.11b cards as well as a few others, see http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport or or http://www.zauruszone.com/howtos/wirelesscards.shtml or see wifi |
| 19:52.48 | france | dIEhARD: on the mailing lists there has been never ending discussions, like: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/134/13467.html |
| 19:54.00 | dIEhARD | thank you france |
| 19:55.36 | france | your welcome |
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| 20:31.24 | Spyro | seletz_: hello??! |
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| 22:22.11 | fifth | hi all |
| 22:23.07 | fifth | can anyone help with a post reflash (wince) problem? |
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| 22:26.40 | fifth | anyone know how to set the model number string after a re-flash to show correct model and allows compaq udates> |
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| 22:31.26 | fifth | anyone? |
| 22:43.34 | fifth | bye all |
| 22:48.13 | jacques | quiet here today |
| 22:48.54 | nexex | a lot of ppl have work off till monday |
| 22:49.06 | Leeds | American people, that is... |
| 22:49.41 | nexex | well, i would think a large percentage of the people here, this time of day would be American :) |
| 22:49.59 | Leeds | not really... |
| 22:50.08 | pigeon | morning Leeds! |
| 22:50.17 | pigeon | morning jacques! |
| 22:50.18 | Leeds | there's a lot of late-night Europeans or early-morning Australians :-) |
| 22:50.21 | pigeon | morning nexex! |
| 22:50.25 | Leeds | evening pigeon! |
| 22:56.26 | jacques | hi pigeon :-) |
| 22:56.36 | jacques | those damn americans |
| 22:56.38 | jacques | so lazy |
| 22:57.00 | jacques | oh yeah, I am one |
| 22:58.33 | pigeon | :o |
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| 23:04.43 | hhgate | <joshua_> whee |
| 23:04.48 | hhgate | <joshua_> I just made gdb core |
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| 23:11.38 | CIA | commit to module 09linux/kernel26 by 07zap: Dell Axim X5/MediaQ 1132 fbdev updated to match last changes |
| 23:11.38 | CIA | in mq1100fb architecture. |
| 23:12.44 | CIA | commit to module 09linux/kernel26 by 07zap: New Dell Axim X5 GPIO macros. |
| 23:13.26 | CIA | commit to module 09linux/kernel26 by 07zap: Some MediaQ 1100/1132 definitions & macros |
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| 23:17.58 | Ryback_ | Hi there! Is there any known problem upgrading from bootldr 2.18.54 to 2.21.12? |
| 23:18.12 | Spyro | hey zap! :) |
| 23:18.22 | pigeon | hi Spyro! |
| 23:18.39 | zap | hay Spyro! hey pigeon! :) |
| 23:18.47 | pigeon | hey zap! |
| 23:19.04 | zap | ok, we covered the 3x3 greeting matrix |
| 23:19.37 | zap | except the rendundant cases when every one greets himself |
| 23:20.23 | ricmm | ibot: lart zap |
| 23:20.27 | ricmm | heh |
| 23:20.36 | zap | ibot lart everyone |
| 23:20.40 | pigeon | hi pigeon! |
| 23:20.44 | ricmm | owned |
| 23:20.50 | ricmm | hi pigeon |
| 23:20.51 | pigeon | ibot: no you can't! |
| 23:20.52 | | pigeon: are you using Windows? |
| 23:20.59 | pigeon | ibot: nope |
| 23:21.00 | | pigeon: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:21.00 | zap | :-) |
| 23:21.03 | ricmm | owned by ibot |
| 23:21.19 | zap | ibot: he's using Linux :) |
| 23:21.20 | | zap: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:21.29 | zap | hehe. desynced :) |
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| 23:24.58 | zap_ | uh my... why would my motherboard use Outgluk Express? |
| 23:26.01 | jacques | so nice to see additional kernel developers here |
| 23:27.07 | zap | it's quiet here today.. pap`a phil is missing :) |
| 23:27.50 | jacques | yeah - surely the British don't celebrate Thanksgiving |
| 23:27.56 | pigeon | heh |
| 23:28.08 | pigeon | when is thanksgiving? |
| 23:28.23 | jacques | always on thursday |
| 23:28.44 | jacques | third thursday in november |
| 23:28.50 | zap | and who's getting the thanks? |
| 23:28.54 | pigeon | so, today then... |
| 23:28.59 | jacques | OOPS - last thursdat in November |
| 23:29.18 | jacques | yeah today for you I suppose - tomorrow for me |
| 23:29.18 | pigeon | (au time) |
| 23:29.37 | jacques | and of course, everyone gets thurs and friday off - making a 4-day weekend |
| 23:29.45 | pigeon | woohoo! |
| 23:29.55 | jacques | and naturally most ppl take wednesday too - or rather not much gets done on wed |
| 23:30.24 | jacques | thanksgiving is actually a very gib holiday here - only one bigger is Christmas |
| 23:31.09 | jacques | friday after thanksgiving is the "official" start of the christmas shipping season |
| 23:31.10 | Leeds | no - your thanksgiving is nothing to do with us |
| 23:31.13 | jacques | shopping season |
| 23:31.33 | jacques | so all stores have huge sales on "black friday" |
| 23:31.44 | jacques | black because that's when most go "into the black"' for the year |
| 23:31.50 | kergoth | i'm *so* glad i dont work retail anymore |
| 23:31.55 | kergoth | black friday is a nightmare |
| 23:32.01 | pigeon | what is the thanksgiving day actually for anyway? |
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| 23:32.23 | jacques | kergoth: I never knew you had worked retail |
| 23:32.41 | zap | hmm... very strange. I have a serial console set up (through IrDA) and when I enter characters they are echoed back in packets -- after I enter 8 characters they all 8 are echoed back. Nobody seen such a effect? |
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| 23:32.45 | kergoth | i worked at office depot for 3 months, then office max for 3 months |
| 23:32.50 | kergoth | then Digi in tech support for like 3 years |
| 23:32.51 | jacques | pigeon: it's a celebration of thanks by the pilgrims that they had food and freedom in a new world |
| 23:32.51 | kergoth | then TI |
| 23:33.09 | kergoth | doubled my wages from sales to digi, then again from digi to ti |
| 23:33.10 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:33.17 | jacques | kergoth: nice |
| 23:33.30 | kergoth | and yet, i still live check to check |
| 23:33.33 | nexex | i worked in a grocery store for a few years as a teenager, the day before thanksgiving (today) is the worst there |
| 23:33.36 | kergoth | something is wrong with this picture |
| 23:33.40 | jacques | kergoth: too many toys? |
| 23:33.53 | kergoth | nah, dunno where its goin |
| 23:33.56 | jacques | nexex: yeah I bet |
| 23:33.59 | kergoth | guess i should buy quicken or something |
| 23:34.12 | kergoth | quicken's so depressing though |
| 23:34.15 | jacques | sigh - I dont have food in the house - pickings at the market will be slim tonight :-( |
| 23:34.19 | kergoth | main page, your net worth is -$14k |
| 23:34.24 | kergoth | gee, thanks, i really wanted to see that |
| 23:34.26 | nexex | lol |
| 23:34.47 | ricmm | hey peepz |
| 23:34.51 | kergoth | hey ricmm |
| 23:34.53 | jacques | hi ricmm |
| 23:35.00 | ricmm | sup kergoth, jacques |
| 23:35.12 | pigeon | jacques: we need a day for celebrating freedom of software one day. |
| 23:35.32 | ricmm | true heh |
| 23:35.38 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:35.58 | kergoth | "in honor of free software day, you can ask me questions about my projects, and i wont cluebat you" |
| 23:36.08 | ricmm | hah |
| 23:36.58 | jacques | pigeon: good idea - i like that |
| 23:38.01 | ricmm | hey one thing |
| 23:38.10 | ricmm | never cook pasta and be in the computer at the same time |
| 23:38.22 | kergoth | ugh, done that |
| 23:38.25 | ricmm | heh |
| 23:38.44 | kergoth | i burned soup one time doing that |
| 23:38.46 | kergoth | that sucked |
| 23:38.50 | Spyro | *argh* |
| 23:38.56 | ricmm | thats difficult, to burn a soup |
| 23:39.02 | jacques | yeah I have burned bacon several times doing that - it sucks |
| 23:39.07 | Spyro | I just deleted my drivers/pcmcia (deliberately) |
| 23:39.10 | kergoth | ricmm: yeah, have to forget about it long enough to boil all the water away |
| 23:39.17 | Spyro | how do I get CVS to replace it? |
| 23:39.28 | kergoth | Spyro: cvs up -Pd |
| 23:39.38 | kergoth | add -Pd to your .cvsrc for update |
| 23:39.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:39.44 | Spyro | ta |
| 23:40.21 | ricmm | kergoth: indeed |
| 23:40.28 | ricmm | thats why i am cooking this pasta slowwwwwwly |
| 23:40.28 | ricmm | hehe |
| 23:40.53 | pigeon | hmm... pasta... |
| 23:41.02 | kergoth | pasta does sound good |
| 23:41.02 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:41.05 | pigeon | I still prefer rice. |
| 23:41.25 | kergoth | i suck at cooking rice |
| 23:41.43 | ricmm | pigeon: how can you prefer rice to pasta? |
| 23:41.53 | ricmm | not with the sauce i use |
| 23:41.55 | ricmm | :) |
| 23:41.58 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:42.00 | kergoth | what ya cooking? |
| 23:42.04 | pigeon | I'm an absolute riceman. |
| 23:42.12 | ricmm | pigeon is chinese |
| 23:42.19 | pigeon | Yes I am. |
| 23:42.24 | ricmm | i am just cooking the pasta, the sauce is already cooked |
| 23:42.26 | ricmm | earlier |
| 23:42.33 | kergoth | ricmm: what sauce? |
| 23:42.38 | Leeds | pasta does sound good though |
| 23:42.49 | ricmm | tomato sauce, but it has such a great taste |
| 23:42.57 | ricmm | btw, it is not ketchup |
| 23:42.57 | kergoth | you make it or buy it? |
| 23:43.00 | ricmm | make it |
| 23:43.07 | kergoth | nice |
| 23:43.11 | kergoth | i'm way too lazy for that |
| 23:43.13 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:43.22 | pigeon | according to googlefight: rice wins! rice (8 200 000) : pasta (3 670 000) |
| 23:43.24 | pigeon | :P |
| 23:43.26 | ricmm | heh |
| 23:43.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:43.34 | ricmm | owned by google |
| 23:43.53 | kergoth | we ought to get a supybot up in here |
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| 23:44.44 | pigeon | we have our interenal irc bot hooked with googlefight, so... ;) |
| 23:45.35 | kergoth | ricmm: what phone? |
| 23:45.47 | CIA | commit to module 09linux/kernel26 by 07zap: Oops... forgot to disable debugging... |
| 23:45.54 | ricmm | kinda old for another countries, but new in here and with a good price/usefullness relationship |
| 23:45.56 | ricmm | a motorola c333 |
| 23:46.26 | ricmm | around $80 and with a prepaid gsm line which had around $8 in it |
| 23:46.46 | ricmm | it has gprs and stuff, thats what i needed :P |
| 23:46.58 | kergoth | cool |
| 23:47.38 | ricmm | yeah |
| 23:47.49 | ricmm | kergoth: how is the hacking |
| 23:48.13 | kergoth | pretty good, dealing with most distribution and buildsystem stuff atm |
| 23:48.23 | kergoth | you? |
| 23:49.19 | ricmm | not too much |
| 23:49.21 | ricmm | have got no time |
| 23:54.04 | ricmm | crap |
| 23:54.20 | ricmm | i have an uber-cold throat pain mixed |
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