| 00:00.18 | jacques | maybe it's the time I did lcd off in the bootloader... ;-) |
| 00:00.29 | keithp | jacques: I think there are parts of the samcop that we don't understand. |
| 00:00.48 | keithp | jacques: perhaps Jamey can dig through the schematics and find something |
| 00:00.50 | pigeon | xav: Sorry I have a few 3870s but I don't have hanging problems as such. Though, what I noticed is, one 3870 takes at least a few seconds longer to do apm -s, while all others are fine. |
| 00:01.14 | jacques | keithp: ok. you're right - seems like we need more info to go further |
| 00:01.20 | keithp | yup. |
| 00:01.57 | jacques | do you know any quick and dirty way I can get the DC register values under ppc ? |
| 00:02.08 | keithp | jacques: I've never even seen PPC |
| 00:02.12 | jacques | I will probably re-install it just to prove to myself that the hw still works |
| 00:02.34 | keithp | Yeah, that would be nice to verify. At this point, it just looks broken |
| 00:02.58 | jacques | well it (the display) worked great until I put linux on it :-P |
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| 00:04.40 | jacques | I'll seem if I can find any (free - yeah rite) wince apps that will let me dump arbitrary registers |
| 00:04.48 | keithp | jacques: it could be a coincidence, but that seems hard to believe |
| 00:05.19 | jacques | keithp: which part is hardto believe? that the display worked before ? |
| 00:05.33 | keithp | No, that it broke as you were installing linux |
| 00:06.14 | jacques | oh yeah. I don't really believe that - now I'm just hoping ppc can bring it back to life if it's in a bizarre state |
| 00:06.44 | jacques | jeeze I hope I don't have to re-install the wince bootloader - that would be a nightmare |
| 00:07.07 | keithp | jacques: that's a good point. But, if you get wince installed and it doesn't work, we know what to do with it :-) |
| 00:07.26 | bluefoxicy | heh |
| 00:07.29 | bluefoxicy | the simpsons is funny. |
| 00:07.36 | Leeds | often true |
| 00:07.46 | bluefoxicy | "What's santa's little helper doing to that dog? It looks like he's trying to jump over but he can't quite make it . . . " |
| 00:07.55 | Leeds | heh |
| 00:10.40 | jacques | keithp: heh, let's hope it doesn't get to that point :-) |
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| 00:14.34 | xav | pigeon: I have one 3835, with familiar unstable, and it hangs when doing "apm -s". I already left it for an hour, so I know it's not a temporary lag. |
| 00:14.51 | pigeon | :\ |
| 00:14.59 | xav | well, only the apm command hangs, the other apps still run. |
| 00:15.13 | xav | and I can ^C it |
| 00:15.36 | xav | but I'd like to be able to suspend it ... right now I can't |
| 00:16.54 | xav | and there's no log or something else .. how can I have a syslog under familiar ? |
| 00:17.21 | pigeon | There is a syslogd you can ipkg install IIRC |
| 00:17.32 | pigeon | Or there's also one from busybox. |
| 00:19.18 | joshua_ | xav: sounds like the ancient opie-alarm bug... make sure atd isn't running. (if you're running opie) |
| 00:19.25 | pigeon | Also, maybe, try loading apm with debug=1 and see if it's actually doing something. |
| 00:21.52 | Lazzatar | What does this mean (trying to connect to my Familiar installed iPAQ via HTerm): |
| 00:21.53 | Lazzatar | bcsp_pkt_cull: Peer acked invalid packet |
| 00:21.53 | Lazzatar | bcsp_handle_le_pkt: Found a LE sync pkt, card has reset |
| 00:22.35 | xav | joshua_, I'm running atd because I wanted my ipaq to wake up on alarms .. I have to remove it then ? |
| 00:25.22 | joshua_ | Right, you can do that wiht OPIE-alarm. |
| 00:25.47 | xav | I run GPE ... |
| 00:26.08 | joshua_ | oh |
| 00:26.08 | joshua_ | hmmm |
| 00:27.43 | xav | oh, another problem I have: loads of "void_list_remove_elt: ERROR: element not found in list" when using ipkg |
| 00:27.57 | xav | any hint ? |
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| 00:28.42 | xav | (anyway, thnaks joshua .. I'll try "apm -s" when I'm near my ipaq again. right now I can only ssh it) |
| 00:32.33 | xav | joshua_: ok, my ipaq doesn't respond anymore after apm -s. I suppose it's sleeping now. thanks :) |
| 00:32.49 | joshua_ | heh |
| 00:33.02 | xav | time to sleep for me too. bye everybody |
| 00:33.02 | T0B[WorK] | +++ |
| 00:33.09 | pigeon | nite xav |
| 00:33.12 | joshua_ | later |
| 00:33.13 | joshua_ | hmmm |
| 00:33.32 | joshua_ | quote, bye everybody, unquote |
| 00:33.32 | T0B[WorK] | +++ |
| 00:33.36 | joshua_ | quote, bye, unquote |
| 00:33.36 | T0B[WorK] | +++ |
| 00:33.58 | joshua_ | xbyex |
| 00:33.58 | pigeon | bye |
| 00:33.58 | T0B[WorK] | +++ |
| 00:34.12 | pigeon | heh |
| 00:34.15 | joshua_ | hah! |
| 00:34.17 | pigeon | lol |
| 00:34.19 | joshua_ | it doesn't respond to notices! |
| 00:34.34 | joshua_ | it doesn't respond by message either |
| 00:36.00 | pigeon | b y e |
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| 00:37.42 | Ronnybfa | i have an ipaq 3970 (PXA) with opie 1 and fam .7 i want to have a webserver with php on it, anyone has a particular package to recommend ?? |
| 00:39.46 | ryan5400_ | mmm, can you? |
| 00:39.54 | joshua_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.57 | joshua_ | Ronnybfa: apache |
| 00:41.34 | Ronnybfa | yeah but with php |
| 00:41.35 | Ronnybfa | where? |
| 00:41.39 | Ronnybfa | on ipaq ? |
| 00:41.51 | joshua_ | get a debian package. |
| 00:42.15 | Ronnybfa | will it work on fam ? |
| 00:42.32 | joshua_ | would I tell you to get it if it didn't? |
| 00:42.54 | Ronnybfa | i found that |
| 00:42.54 | Ronnybfa | http://www.choup.net/v2/index.php?id=pda |
| 00:43.19 | Ronnybfa | u think it'd work on a pxa ? |
| 00:43.49 | pigeon | So familiar now supports sd card without the "s" part? |
| 00:44.11 | Ronnybfa | u mean mmc card ? |
| 00:44.40 | Ronnybfa | joshua can u direct me to a package that has php and apache for debian |
| 00:44.42 | Ronnybfa | i cant find a url |
| 00:44.55 | joshua_ | www.google.com |
| 00:44.58 | joshua_ | look harder |
| 00:52.38 | ryan5400_ | whats the unstable 4 image like? |
| 00:53.08 | jacques | haven't tried it yet (still at work) |
| 00:53.16 | ryan5400_ | mmmm ok |
| 00:53.24 | ryan5400_ | 53 seconds and ill let you know |
| 00:53.31 | jacques | :-) |
| 01:01.09 | ryan5400_ | mmm, doesnt seem to be much different |
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| 01:01.38 | jacques | something you were hoping was fixed which wasn't? |
| 01:02.28 | joshua_ | hi jg |
| 01:02.43 | jg | joshua_: hi. |
| 01:02.51 | jg | joshua_: all ready for the next semester? |
| 01:03.01 | joshua_ | yes.. I go back tuesday.. |
| 01:04.19 | jg | joshua_: have fun. I'm sure you'l miss hacking 24 hours/day... |
| 01:04.31 | joshua_ | hehe.. |
| 01:06.37 | ryan5400_ | brb in linux |
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| 01:13.35 | hunterkll | jesus h christ |
| 01:13.39 | hunterkll | any crl folks here |
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| 01:14.22 | jg | hunterkll: yes. |
| 01:14.43 | hunterkll | thank god! |
| 01:14.47 | hunterkll | can you repair 3800's |
| 01:14.49 | hunterkll | ? |
| 01:15.09 | jg | hunterkll: what's the problem? |
| 01:15.13 | hunterkll | well |
| 01:15.16 | joshua_ | how did it fail? |
| 01:15.18 | hunterkll | 1. backlight |
| 01:15.21 | hunterkll | 2. backlight |
| 01:15.29 | joshua_ | CRL is not a repair place |
| 01:15.33 | hunterkll | 3. flickery backlight <-- no longer evidnet due to problem number 2 |
| 01:15.33 | joshua_ | CRL will fix bricked iPAQs |
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| 01:15.44 | joshua_ | so send it back to HP service labs, not CRL. |
| 01:15.44 | hunterkll | yes, well, your repair dudes have a 2-4 week turnaround |
| 01:16.04 | jg | hunterkll: we aren't in a position to fix busted hardware. |
| 01:16.12 | hunterkll | i know |
| 01:16.18 | hunterkll | it works perfectly fine |
| 01:16.24 | hunterkll | just the backlights a bit odd |
| 01:16.30 | jg | hunterkll: bricked ipaq's are a different story: it just requires fresh bits in flash. |
| 01:16.43 | hunterkll | can i swap it (3835) with you guys for a (3870)? |
| 01:16.56 | hunterkll | or whatever the bluetooth model is :D |
| 01:17.01 | joshua_ | hunterkll: if it's going to be done at CRL it's going to be my solder toy next time I come in there. so if the backlight is gone and it's there, it's more likely to be entirely dead rather than just backlight dead. |
| 01:17.13 | jg | hunterkll: we aren't in a position to do so, I expect.... |
| 01:17.14 | hunterkll | heh |
| 01:17.18 | hunterkll | damn :'( |
| 01:18.03 | hunterkll | 3202898886 <-- compaq support case number if you want to look |
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| 01:18.46 | pigeon | i got flickery backlight with 1 or 2 ipaqs due to sort of dying battery. |
| 01:19.21 | joshua_ | hunterkll: noone here has access to look at support cases |
| 01:20.32 | hunterkll | oh |
| 01:20.41 | hunterkll | pigeon: but wiht a new one? |
| 01:20.57 | pigeon | hunterkll: Hmm, totally new one, probably not then. |
| 01:21.11 | hunterkll | and one where the backlight slider has --> http://www.pocketpccity.com/boards/compaqipaq38353870/messages/3186.html |
| 01:21.13 | hunterkll | that problem? |
| 01:28.24 | hunterkll | heh |
| 01:28.29 | hunterkll | pigeon: yea |
| 01:28.34 | hunterkll | first noticed the flicker in linux x.x |
| 01:28.45 | hunterkll | that was about when i got it, round xmas |
| 01:28.56 | hunterkll | because i had gotten an all white screen, and i saw the flciker |
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| 01:47.03 | hunterkll | how do i hardreset |
| 01:51.18 | joshua_ | hunterkll: bash your head against a brick wall until you pass out, then wait until you wake up. you should have hard resetted. however, please make sure that all your data is backed up, as this procedure can cause data loss and in some cases permanent damage. |
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| 02:13.03 | Lazzatar|afk | what is the best way to transfer files from a windows system to an installed version of familiar on an iPAQ? |
| 02:13.04 | Lazzatar|afk | thanks |
| 02:13.12 | hunterkll | hmm |
| 02:13.23 | hunterkll | joshua_: lol |
| 02:13.28 | hunterkll | Lazzatar|afk: i'd suggjest |
| 02:13.40 | hunterkll | network conn |
| 02:13.44 | hunterkll | and ftp server on ipaq |
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| 02:20.34 | nelson | Lazzatar|afk: install Putty's scp client. |
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| 03:13.04 | joshua_ | oops |
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| 03:47.23 | ryan5450 | mmmmm, well i loaded the at76c503 module successfuly, but now what do i do? |
| 03:47.39 | ryan5450 | the orange light didnt come on for wifi either... should it/ |
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| 04:50.16 | ryan5450 | the 5400 has a 48mb chip and a 64mb chip. |
| 04:50.21 | ryan5450 | where are they mounted? |
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| 06:45.17 | fontenot | OK I re-installed ppc2003 and my display works fine. luckily I didn't even have to re-install the wince bootloader. |
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| 06:54.13 | ricmm | fontenot: and now you will try familiar one more time right? |
| 06:54.15 | ricmm | :D |
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| 07:40.04 | fontenot | ricmm: sure. I just wanted to prove that the mq1100 was still functioning. there was some questiona as we've never been able to get mine to do anything under linux. |
| 07:40.26 | fontenot | I'll probably install unstable4 later tonight or tomorrow |
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| 08:06.44 | Huenchen | moagn |
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| 10:02.20 | Lazzatar | is there a way to install a Dvorak keyboard onto Familiar? |
| 10:06.16 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07harlekin: strings from the new server |
| 10:09.36 | Lazzatar | anyone in here? |
| 10:15.00 | Harlekin | opie has a dvorak keyboard |
| 10:16.38 | Lazzatar | I have the GSP version (I think that's right) |
| 10:17.07 | Lazzatar | can you tell me how I can put my iPAQ into a mode to receive a file through HyperTerm? |
| 10:18.08 | Harlekin | no idea what gsp is |
| 10:18.17 | Harlekin | and via term is a pita |
| 10:18.24 | Lazzatar | well, whatever the other distro of familiar is |
| 10:18.38 | Lazzatar | lol, GPE, sorry |
| 10:18.41 | Harlekin | ah |
| 10:18.49 | Harlekin | rz on pda |
| 10:18.54 | Lazzatar | hmm? |
| 10:18.56 | Lazzatar | type that? |
| 10:19.01 | Harlekin | yea |
| 10:19.04 | Harlekin | and then file send |
| 10:19.09 | Lazzatar | ooooo |
| 10:19.10 | Lazzatar | ty |
| 10:19.24 | Harlekin | but if gpe does not have a dvorak keyboard you dont need to try it .-) |
| 10:19.45 | Lazzatar | well, I need to put other files onto the device |
| 10:19.47 | Lazzatar | not just that ;) |
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| 10:20.31 | Lazzatar | hmm, it's still not transfering the file, the terminal window told me that it went into receive mode, but it's not transfering data... :( |
| 10:20.37 | Ronnybfa | which browser do u recommend to use on an ipaq 3970 with fam and opie ?? |
| 10:20.41 | Lazzatar | ahhh |
| 10:20.42 | Lazzatar | got it :D |
| 10:21.42 | Lazzatar | I believe heh |
| 10:24.51 | Lazzatar | do you know where transfered files go as far as what folder? |
| 10:25.01 | Lazzatar | Ronnybfa: sorry, not sure here |
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| 10:39.27 | Lazzatar | Does anyone know where I can find a transparent terminal for familiar? |
| 10:43.23 | puks | Hi, i changed the feed for familiar from 0.7 to 0.7.1, did ipkg update && ipkg upgrade, but my /etc/familiar-version still says that I own a familiar 0.7-rc3 |
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| 11:17.52 | fuzznug | anyone here running linux on compaq h3955? |
| 11:19.24 | fuzznug | anyone here? :) |
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| 11:49.08 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07christophe: qpe.ts translation after last Harlekin modifications and little modification into libqpe.ts. fr translation is 100 % again. |
| 11:52.25 | ryan5400_ | pb_ in the unstable 4 image, it locks up whenever ts is pressed :( |
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| 12:01.33 | pb_ | ryan5400_: yes, that's the same touchscreen bug that we have had for months. |
| 12:24.01 | zenja-b | btw, i let my h5450 say overnight without battery, and now wince boots correctly |
| 12:25.46 | zenja-b | bootldr 2.20.4 |
| 12:31.42 | Ronnybfa | i cant seem to figure out how to save my current linux image before restoring my wince, in case i want to switch back . |
| 12:33.40 | zenja-b | Ronnybfa: in boot> save root |
| 12:35.14 | Ronnybfa | it will save the whole rom ? |
| 12:35.37 | zenja-b | root partition (without bootldr) |
| 12:36.22 | zenja-b | you probably want to manage bootldr separately anyway |
| 12:36.45 | Ronnybfa | so i get a jffs2 file ? |
| 12:37.00 | zenja-b | hmm, in linux 'dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 ..' should also work |
| 12:37.07 | zenja-b | Ronnybfa: yes |
| 12:38.12 | Ronnybfa | thx |
| 12:39.39 | zenja-b | np |
| 12:44.19 | Ronnybfa | thx all bye |
| 12:44.19 | T0BiS | +++ |
| 12:44.25 | Ronnybfa | ++ |
| 12:52.12 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07mickeyl: add 'version' target to see how Vars.make calculate the version |
| 12:52.12 | CIA | kergoth: the inclusion of a fourth dot (as in 1.0.1.1-snapshot) broke |
| 12:52.13 | CIA | your sed-magic in VERSION_MIN and VERSION_PAT. please adapt it, so that VERSION_PAT results in 1.1 |
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| 14:39.48 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe by 07florian: Applied 2 i8n patches contributed by Libor Klepac |
| 14:39.48 | CIA | New version number for development branch: 0.1.0-pre9 |
| 14:39.49 | CIA | updated gpe-conf.pot |
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| 14:41.19 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07drw: Adapt AQPkg for quick launching |
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| 14:47.07 | CIA | 11dropbear_0.36-1_arm.ipk uploaded to 09unstable by 07pb@debian.org |
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| 15:15.23 | omi007 | hello all - it's so quiet! Is anybody listening? |
| 15:15.27 | Leeds | no |
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| 15:29.00 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07eilers: Removed some unimportant debug output which causes slow down.. |
| 15:32.47 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07eilers: Speed optimization fix: |
| 15:32.48 | CIA | Startup and usability improved if a lot of contacts are stored. Left speed bootleneck is the xml |
| 15:32.48 | CIA | file.. |
| 15:36.49 | Huenchen | i'm going to try intimate now, just received my new 1 GB cf card ;) |
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| 16:00.38 | rhegor | has anybody here tried using lucent orinoco silver card with new familiar? |
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| 16:14.46 | Ronnybfa | how come in wince i can connect to gprs without setting a string (AT+CGDCONT=1...etc...) ?? |
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| 16:28.10 | rhegor | trying to get kismet working with latest familiar - gone through all the stuff I can find on lists (change wavelan to orinoco in pcmcia config, call kismet_monitor with added option etc) but still no success |
| 16:29.44 | flypiper | rhegor: your card may not go into monitor mode.. do you have another card to try??? I have that with one of my compaq cards :-( |
| 16:30.40 | rhegor | flypiper - got a cisco but have had more luck with this lucent usually |
| 16:32.09 | flypiper | rhegor: my cisco works fine |
| 16:32.54 | rhegor | flypiper - ok - plugged it in - can be seen fine but what is there some settings I now need to change? |
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| 16:33.48 | rhegor | ... I get the card showing on the bottom panel but can't seem to switch it on in networks |
| 16:35.31 | flypiper | rhegor: switch it on in networks????? |
| 16:36.15 | rhegor | flypiper - card is inserted and detected - ifconfig eth0 gives me an error - trying to use the networks program tells me there's an error in starting the card |
| 16:37.02 | flypiper | rhegor: do you have the modules installed for the cisco card?? |
| 16:37.49 | rhegor | aironet-modules are installed |
| 16:38.18 | flypiper | does iwconfig show the card? |
| 16:38.29 | flypiper | what is the error ? |
| 16:38.51 | rhegor | iwconfig doesn't show the card |
| 16:39.57 | flypiper | rhegor: remove the card and cat /proc/kmsg .. and reinsert the card.. what do you see?? |
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| 16:42.02 | rhegor | "(3)airo:Max tires excedded waiting for command (3) airo MAC could not be enabled (5) airo_cs: RequestConfiguration: Operation succeeded |
| 16:43.57 | flypiper | rhegor: cardctl ident = ?? |
| 16:44.06 | flypiper | cardctl staus = ?? |
| 16:44.34 | rhegor | didn't say |
| 16:44.57 | flypiper | something is askew.. there |
| 16:45.20 | flypiper | what kernel you using?? |
| 16:46.06 | rhegor | latest familiar - 2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh1 |
| 16:46.58 | flypiper | hmmm .. im not familiar with pxa1.. is that on 3900..??? and I think that there may be a hh22 kernel that works a little better |
| 16:48.02 | rhegor | hmmm wait a sec - must have mistyped the first ident - now getting Socket 0: product info: "Cisco Systems", "350 Series Wireless Lan adapter" manfid 0x15f 0x00a |
| 16:48.23 | flypiper | OK.. add that to your pcmcia config |
| 16:48.27 | flypiper | ?? |
| 16:51.34 | rhegor | found it in /etc/pcmcia/config - card "Cisco Aironet 350" manfid 0x015f, 0x00a bind "airo_cs) |
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| 16:53.04 | rhegor | ... sorry last ) was " |
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| 17:18.47 | fng_sma | Hello! I have problems installing the kernelpackage ipk-file (...rmk6-hh23) on my ipaq. |
| 17:19.11 | drudge | hello everyone. |
| 17:19.58 | fng_sma | the ipaq always wants to download the ...-rmk6-hh13.ipk file, but I have no internet connection on the handheld. |
| 17:20.51 | drudge | does anyone know if the 1945 has a future with familiar? |
| 17:21.08 | pb_ | drudge: yes, though it is not supported at the moment. |
| 17:21.24 | pb_ | familiar hasn't been able to quite keep up with the recent outpouring of new models from HP. |
| 17:21.53 | drudge | pb_: i read that the cpu has linux drivers? |
| 17:22.17 | pb_ | yes |
| 17:23.08 | bluefoxicy | what the hell is with gaim |
| 17:23.09 | drudge | pb_: if you guys need me to test on the 1945 (not sure if you have have, i know you have a 1900 series) i would be happy to help |
| 17:25.30 | fng_sma | Is it anyhow possible to extract a single file out of a .ipk file? |
| 17:25.44 | pb_ | fng_sma: yes. use ipkg-unbuild, or dpkg-deb, or ar and tar. |
| 17:25.51 | drudge | pb_: i read good things on the site though :) |
| 17:26.29 | pb_ | drudge: the h1910, which is being worked on at the moment, is not as similar to h1945 as the closeness in model numbers might lead you to believe. The internals are completely different. |
| 17:27.13 | pb_ | I think, realistically, it's likely to be at least a month or so before there is anything worth testing on the h1930/h1940 platform, unless someone who has one of those machines volunteers to start work sooner. |
| 17:28.01 | drudge | pb_: i figured they were. just offering my machine to you guys if you need it. |
| 17:28.17 | pb_ | drudge: cool |
| 17:29.07 | drudge | i looked at the 1900 code in the cvs, but i don't think my c skills are up to it :) |
| 17:29.36 | galexand | pb, i'm thinking of buying one to start. |
| 17:29.45 | pb_ | galexand: ah, excellent |
| 17:30.16 | drudge | galexand: your pretty close to me, nyc :) |
| 17:30.17 | galexand | my major worries are that i'm too lazy to do the necessary hardware work to jtag the boot flash |
| 17:30.27 | galexand | drudge, upper west side woo |
| 17:30.27 | galexand | heh |
| 17:30.32 | drudge | :) |
| 17:30.46 | pb_ | galexand: it shouldn't require a lot of hardware work. on most of the newer ipaqs it's just a case of plugging in a cable. |
| 17:31.05 | drudge | i am not in nyc, but albany.. not as far as some |
| 17:31.10 | galexand | pb, oh really? the diagram for the 1910 that i think nontoxic made made it sound like there were pads you had to solder onto |
| 17:31.18 | galexand | or is there a cable that fits over them?+ |
| 17:31.45 | galexand | if i could find a preassembled device to allow me to program it trivially then that would be the clincher, i'd order one right now |
| 17:32.44 | pb_ | well, on h5400 (which is made by the same people as h1940), the jtag signals are brought out to an internal connector. You still have to open the case, but no soldering required. |
| 17:32.54 | galexand | hmm |
| 17:33.03 | galexand | i don't know anything about jtag, i wonder if i should learn before or after ordering. |
| 17:33.04 | pb_ | I don't have specific knowledge of the h1940. however, if lack of jtag was a blocking issue for you, I'm sure someone else could do the necessary wiring. |
| 17:34.22 | galexand | screw that, indecision blows. i'm just gonna buy one. |
| 17:34.28 | drudge | hehe |
| 17:34.37 | pb_ | galexand: good plan |
| 17:34.38 | drudge | i got mine for free, so i am happy. |
| 17:34.45 | galexand | lauglahu jealous |
| 17:35.21 | galexand | i can't believe i'm gonna buy a palmtop that i know is gonna sit around my apartment looking useless for at least a month before it's worth carrying around with me |
| 17:36.15 | drudge | hehe |
| 17:36.26 | drudge | but you will make me happy O:) |
| 17:36.45 | fng_sma | When i try tar xzf .ipk I only get the message tar: Invalid gzip magic. Any help? |
| 17:37.02 | pb_ | galexand: fyi, kyllikki in #debian-arm may be able to provide information about the s3c2410 kernel port. |
| 17:37.21 | drudge | fng_sma: < pb_> fng_sma: yes. use ipkg-unbuild, or dpkg-deb |
| 17:37.33 | galexand | what is the s3c2410? is that the new arm they're using on the 1940? |
| 17:37.36 | pb_ | galexand: yes |
| 17:37.51 | galexand | thanks |
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| 17:38.02 | drudge | pb_: what are you thoughts on the hardware for the 1940 |
| 17:38.08 | pb_ | fng_sma: if you cannot use ipkg-unbuild or dpkg-deb, you must first unpack the .ipk using ar, then use tar to extract the file you want from the data.tar.gz archive contained therein. |
| 17:38.58 | pb_ | drudge: I've never actually seen a 1940 in the flesh, but it sounds like a nice unit. |
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| 17:39.24 | pb_ | should be a little faster than h1910, I think. |
| 17:39.31 | Ronnybfa | hey guys |
| 17:39.36 | galexand | whoa the 1935 is cheap |
| 17:39.36 | Ronnybfa | i managed to connect to gprs via blue |
| 17:39.46 | Ronnybfa | except i cant really ping addresses |
| 17:39.46 | drudge | pb_: whats the speed of the 1910? |
| 17:39.52 | pb_ | drudge: 200MHz, iirc |
| 17:40.00 | Ronnybfa | i can ping yahoo's ip but not his name |
| 17:40.02 | pb_ | I think the 1930/1940 is 266 or so |
| 17:40.05 | Ronnybfa | any ideas? |
| 17:40.10 | galexand | 1940 is 266 1930 is 206 apparently |
| 17:40.13 | pb_ | Ronnybfa: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:40.21 | galexand | 203mhz my bad |
| 17:40.34 | pb_ | galexand: ah, right. I think the other main difference is that 1930 lacks bluetooth. |
| 17:40.37 | galexand | is performance really an issue heh |
| 17:41.04 | drudge | this is my first bluetooth device, i love it. |
| 17:41.10 | pb_ | probably not, for most people. the 206MHz strongarm was quite adequate for most tasks. |
| 17:41.43 | galexand | the tasks that the 206MHz strongarm in my h3765 fail at are tasks that the 400MHz one would fail just as badly at |
| 17:41.48 | galexand | what kills me is the lack of an fpu, not the clock. |
| 17:42.00 | Ronnybfa | pb: i got my dns's in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:42.02 | Ronnybfa | it seems ok |
| 17:42.05 | Ronnybfa | any other idea? |
| 17:42.31 | pb_ | galexand: yes, I think jg has a canned rant about the lack of an fpu. |
| 17:43.01 | galexand | grrr newegg is out of stock. |
| 17:43.05 | galexand | heh |
| 17:43.15 | galexand | i don't really mind the lack of an fpu but porting stuff over i'm just constantly amazed how many programs just can't live without it. |
| 17:44.07 | Ronnybfa | ? |
| 17:44.17 | pb_ | Ronnybfa: sorry, I don't have any other suggestions. |
| 17:45.57 | Gutemine | Ronnybfa: Does it work, if you use /etc/hosts? |
| 17:46.36 | Ronnybfa | what do u mean |
| 17:46.50 | Ronnybfa | like set up www.yahoo.com in /etc/hosts ? |
| 17:46.52 | Ronnybfa | with its ip |
| 17:46.53 | Ronnybfa | ? |
| 17:46.56 | Ronnybfa | to like try ? |
| 17:47.12 | galexand | hmmm ordering online i only save about $20 |
| 17:47.26 | drudge | galexand: that to me is not worth it :) |
| 17:47.42 | drudge | for the $20 i rather go to the store and get it |
| 17:47.56 | galexand | ttyl :) |
| 17:48.02 | Gutemine | Ronnybfa: yes, for testing |
| 17:49.39 | Ronnybfa | ok hold on |
| 17:52.06 | Ronnybfa | gutemine |
| 17:52.13 | Ronnybfa | it does work if i put it in etc hosts |
| 17:53.26 | Gutemine | Ronnybfa: then it's a DNS problem. Check if the DNS server is working. |
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| 17:54.50 | Ronnybfa | dns is only in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 17:55.24 | Gutemine | Ronnybfa: can you ping the DNS server? |
| 17:55.34 | Ronnybfa | thats what im trying |
| 17:55.38 | Ronnybfa | but it wont answer my pings |
| 17:55.43 | Ronnybfa | maybe its blocked to pings |
| 17:56.14 | Gutemine | also maybe it's not available. |
| 17:56.21 | Ronnybfa | lol |
| 17:56.29 | Ronnybfa | yeah time to drive my operator crazy |
| 17:56.36 | Ronnybfa | ;) |
| 17:58.44 | Leeds | Ronnybfa: I know Orange UK, if you're on their WAP GRPS service, don't provide DNS |
| 17:59.06 | Gutemine | Ronnyfba: try 62.225.252.244 as DNS server. this one is working at the moment and you can ping it. |
| 18:00.38 | Ronnybfa | will it accept me in it ? |
| 18:00.55 | Gutemine | I don't know. |
| 18:01.08 | Ronnybfa | where did u get it from ? |
| 18:01.38 | Gutemine | its the one I use. |
| 18:02.32 | Ronnybfa | ok let me try it |
| 18:04.57 | Ronnybfa | wont work |
| 18:04.58 | Ronnybfa | nslookup www.google.com 62.225.252.244 |
| 18:05.01 | Ronnybfa | not working |
| 18:07.10 | Gutemine | works for me |
| 18:10.08 | Ronnybfa | works for u cuz ur part of the network |
| 18:10.15 | Ronnybfa | but im not allowed in it i guess |
| 18:12.27 | drudge | http://66.6.66.6/ <-- fear the evil. |
| 18:12.46 | Leeds | drudge: ah! pain! |
| 18:13.00 | Ronnybfa | ;P; |
| 18:13.02 | Ronnybfa | LOL |
| 18:13.07 | Ronnybfa | IIS |
| 18:14.09 | Ronnybfa | hey leeds |
| 18:14.10 | Gutemine | Ronnyfba: try 131.246.9.116 as DNS server. its not on my network. |
| 18:14.56 | Ronnybfa | you see i think i nailed the problem |
| 18:15.23 | Ronnybfa | when i do nslookup www.google.com DNS: |
| 18:15.24 | Ronnybfa | 192.118.011.077 |
| 18:15.32 | Ronnybfa | when i do nslookup www.google.com 192.118.011.077 |
| 18:15.38 | Ronnybfa | from my pc windows |
| 18:15.41 | Ronnybfa | i get an answer |
| 18:15.45 | Ronnybfa | with googles dns |
| 18:15.47 | Ronnybfa | ip |
| 18:15.52 | Ronnybfa | not dns |
| 18:15.58 | Ronnybfa | and when i try this command from my ipaq |
| 18:16.02 | Ronnybfa | i get : unknown host |
| 18:16.18 | Ronnybfa | would it be some kind of problem with the way my ipaq sends dns queries ? |
| 18:16.29 | Ronnybfa | cuz the servers seem all fine from my windows box |
| 18:16.36 | Ronnybfa | if u see what i mean |
| 18:18.35 | Gutemine | yes |
| 18:18.46 | Ronnybfa | what do u suggest? |
| 18:22.04 | Ronnybfa | upgrade busybox ? |
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| 18:48.22 | galexand | man i can tell arleady |
| 18:48.29 | galexand | i'm going to spend the next month of my life looking for a T-26 torx driver |
| 18:50.29 | pb_ | Torx drivers aren't usually hard to find. What do you need T-26 for? |
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| 18:50.52 | galexand | isn't that the size for the ipaq? |
| 18:51.00 | pb_ | no, that's T-6. |
| 18:51.05 | aok | pb_: are there any changes in the latest kernel for 39xx? |
| 18:51.06 | galexand | huh |
| 18:51.07 | pb_ | T-26 would be several times too large |
| 18:51.14 | galexand | heh i thought it was inverse like gauge |
| 18:51.22 | galexand | thanks |
| 18:51.29 | galexand | i still haven't seen anything this small :) |
| 18:51.31 | pb_ | aok: don't think so |
| 18:51.52 | pb_ | only changes I know of in hh23 are h5400 lcd, and h3800 sd. |
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| 18:52.46 | aok | 39xx uses different sd support than 38xx i guess |
| 18:52.52 | pb_ | yeah |
| 18:53.44 | pb_ | there are three different mmc/sd chipsets in use for ipaqs. h3800 is one; h3900/h1900 is another; h1930/h1940/h5000/h2000 is the third. |
| 18:53.46 | galexand | man the 1940 is sexy |
| 18:54.47 | galexand | is the 1940 compatible with my 3700 serial cable you think? |
| 18:55.13 | pb_ | probably not. the serial connector changed between 3700 and 3800. |
| 18:56.34 | pb_ | also, it's possible that h1940 has some of the serial port components depopulated. if that's the case, you will have to get someone to fit them for you or make do with some other interface. |
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| 18:57.49 | spicer | what is the status of SD card support? |
| 18:58.00 | pb_ | supported on h3800. no support on other platforms yet. |
| 18:58.09 | pb_ | sounds like it might be close on h5000 though. |
| 18:59.13 | spicer | what kernel does it need? |
| 18:59.24 | pb_ | hh23 |
| 19:00.17 | spicer | 2.4.19-bah-hh23?? |
| 19:01.28 | spicer | i am running hh13 right now.....is there an ipkg package for hh23??? I did an ipkg update and then upgrade and it did not update my kernel? |
| 19:01.52 | Huenchen | kernel feed: http://handhelds.org/download/feeds/2.4.19 |
| 19:02.11 | Huenchen | add this to /etc/ipkg.conf and do a ipkg update;ipkg upgrade |
| 19:03.08 | spicer | cool i will try that |
| 19:03.09 | spicer | thanks |
| 19:03.17 | spicer | ipkg is still new to me |
| 19:03.25 | spicer | been a gentoo man for too long |
| 19:03.31 | Huenchen | ah |
| 19:03.53 | Huenchen | i've started with debian and ipkg is quite simelar to dpkg |
| 19:04.11 | spicer | yah i noticed that....I wish i had more debian experence |
| 19:04.16 | Huenchen | i'm just trying to compile opie for my laptop, not very easy :) |
| 19:04.17 | spicer | went from red hat to gentoo |
| 19:05.30 | Ronnybfa | hey guys |
| 19:05.47 | Ronnybfa | i can access the net but my dns is not functioning right |
| 19:05.58 | Ronnybfa | it seems to answer queries from my windows box |
| 19:06.11 | Ronnybfa | but from my ipaq it wont even take nslookups |
| 19:06.22 | Ronnybfa | it wont answer my ipaq pings |
| 19:06.28 | Ronnybfa | any ideas why :? |
| 19:08.19 | Ronnybfa | it really bothers me |
| 19:08.24 | Ronnybfa | i cant figure it out |
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| 19:14.05 | drudge | no its rewt ;) |
| 19:14.20 | spicer | Huenchen: thanks it works |
| 19:14.27 | spicer | pb_: thanks too |
| 19:14.52 | drudge | pb_: question: does kde run on ipaq? ;) |
| 19:15.05 | pb_ | drudge: don't see why not, if you have enough space. |
| 19:15.11 | pb_ | the opie guys would probably know more about that. |
| 19:15.22 | drudge | opie is pretty as well |
| 19:15.51 | drudge | pb_: whats the average size installation (with X) ? |
| 19:16.09 | pb_ | for familiar, you mean? |
| 19:16.17 | drudge | yes of course. |
| 19:16.26 | pb_ | well, bootgpe2 is about 13MB. |
| 19:16.38 | drudge | opie? |
| 19:16.54 | pb_ | opie doesn't use X, but the bootopie image is roughly the same size. |
| 19:17.39 | Huenchen | whooo, compiling on my laptop is loooow ;) |
| 19:17.41 | Huenchen | +s |
| 19:17.44 | Huenchen | slow |
| 19:19.05 | drudge | pb_: do yo feel that opie's pim functions are equal or better than the ppc? (some say no) |
| 19:19.17 | pb_ | drudge: dunno, I've never used opie for any length of time. |
| 19:19.25 | pb_ | try asking in #opie |
| 19:19.30 | drudge | ok ;) |
| 19:25.09 | ade|desk | pb_: how do you think the PIM functions of GPE compare to that of ppc ? ..... ;) |
| 19:25.25 | pb_ | ade|desk: at present, not as good. |
| 19:25.55 | pb_ | The GPE PIM apps have been a bit neglected lately. |
| 19:26.10 | ade|desk | so the sync aint there but what else do they lack ? |
| 19:26.38 | galexand | what sort of brick and mortar store would sell T6 torx drivers |
| 19:26.46 | pb_ | ade|desk: nothing major, just a collection of small features. |
| 19:26.58 | pb_ | galexand: hardware store? |
| 19:27.01 | galexand | hmmm |
| 19:27.12 | galexand | not very optimistic but might as well check |
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| 19:28.22 | drudge | galexand: i tried to get them once, a t5 |
| 19:28.25 | drudge | for my palm |
| 19:28.38 | drudge | no stores carry anything smaller than a T7 |
| 19:28.48 | drudge | at least, here in albany |
| 19:32.46 | pb_ | I didn't have any trouble buying a T6 here in England, but maybe things are different where you are. |
| 19:34.40 | galexand | hahah i love this city |
| 19:34.48 | galexand | i was wrong to doubt. T6 was the smallest they had |
| 19:35.02 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:35.46 | galexand | hahahah man i'm gonna cry the 1900 is smaller, it must be t5. |
| 19:36.04 | pb_ | argh |
| 19:36.04 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:36.12 | galexand | okay well there are 3 more hardware stores within 5 blocks so |
| 19:36.15 | pb_ | galexand: talk to joshua_sleep when he wakes up, he has a h1910 |
| 19:36.32 | pb_ | maybe he can tell you what driver is required. |
| 19:36.40 | galexand | yeah i've been wanting to talk to him ever since i decide to buy this sucker |
| 19:36.59 | pb_ | obviously he takes his beauty sleep very seriously. |
| 19:37.25 | drudge | i've been wanting to talk with him as well :) |
| 19:39.21 | drudge | galexand: i had to order mine special :-| |
| 19:50.16 | galexand | oh well internet mail order it is. |
| 19:50.34 | drudge | galexand: want a link? |
| 19:50.54 | galexand | actually yes :) |
| 19:51.56 | drudge | http://www.wihatools.com/ |
| 19:52.02 | drudge | where i got mine. |
| 19:52.12 | galexand | thx |
| 19:52.34 | drudge | http://www.wihatools.com/267serie.htm |
| 19:53.06 | galexand | heh i could buy a t4 for kicks and giggles |
| 19:53.18 | drudge | hehe |
| 19:53.26 | drudge | $5.90 |
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| 19:55.40 | drudge | galexand: http://www.wihatools.com/278serie.htm |
| 19:55.45 | drudge | get a T1 ;) |
| 19:56.11 | drudge | i'd go anti static :D |
| 19:56.28 | galexand | heh |
| 19:56.36 | galexand | if it's worth doing it's worth doing in excess right |
| 19:56.43 | drudge | exactly. |
| 19:57.18 | drudge | my T5 was the red ones, didn't know they had the anti-static |
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| 20:05.06 | drudge | pb_: actually, the ipkgfind only returns 0 results for me |
| 20:12.01 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Add Example tab and 4 examples for now |
| 20:12.30 | drudge | woot? |
| 20:19.17 | Ronnybfa | how to upgrade busybox |
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| 20:23.42 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Add four examples |
| 20:23.42 | CIA | #1 simple widget + OApplicationFactory + qmake usage explained |
| 20:23.43 | CIA | #2 simple icons + usage of Resource and playing of sounds |
| 20:23.43 | CIA | #3 simple main + Toolbar + MenuBar IconSets and QActions explained |
| 20:23.44 | CIA | #4 main tab + Usage of OTabWidget and QSignals with parameters disconnect and connect |
| 20:26.38 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Add comments about API changes when possible again |
| 20:26.38 | CIA | Add currentWidget() method and mark it as since 1.2 |
| 20:28.18 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: The usual .cvsignore |
| 20:28.37 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Add IDEAS for Opie bigscreen extensions |
| 20:28.37 | CIA | and the first sketch of the OSplitter please take a look |
| 20:28.38 | CIA | and comment |
| 20:31.39 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Sorry Stefan but the feature list is currently locked by mickeyl and I'm scared of forgetting the ideas we've and need to discus.. Ah feeling so much better... slowly recovering would guess now at 50-60% |
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| 20:35.42 | drudge | pb_: here? |
| 20:37.02 | Lazzatar|w3rk | I have a usb connection from my iPAQ(Familiar) to my PC(Knoppix). I can get online on my PC, but not my iPAQ. Any ideas? |
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| 20:48.45 | aok | 39xx uses different sd support than 38xx i guess |
| 20:49.14 | aok | sorry, thats old |
| 20:50.00 | treke|z- | the 3900 uses wuit a bit of different sutff |
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| 20:55.34 | joshua_sleep | urfc |
| 20:55.51 | pb_ | joshua_: evening |
| 20:56.00 | joshua_ | heya pb_ |
| 20:56.02 | treke|z- | hmmm |
| 20:56.16 | treke|z- | pb and joshua use ipv6 |
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| 21:00.47 | treke|z- | there is something horribly wrong with using mutt to read mail in opie |
| 21:01.52 | joshua_ | with the idea or with the implementation?:) |
| 21:01.52 | treke|z- | the idea |
| 21:01.52 | treke|z- | implementation is fine |
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| 21:11.01 | pb_ | treke|z-: yes indeed |
| 21:22.46 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: include a new menu for examples and the examples apps |
| 21:23.33 | CIA | commit to module 09opie by 07zecke: Fix the config.in |
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| 21:34.46 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe by 07luc: i18n patch from Libor Klepac. |
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| 21:39.11 | galexand | hey joshua you there? |
| 21:54.00 | Lazzatar|w3rk | lively group today ;) |
| 21:54.33 | drudge | WEEEEEEEEEE OMG!! |
| 21:54.35 | drudge | ;) |
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| 21:59.19 | CIA | commit to module 09gpe by 07luc: tooltips are back, thanks to Libor Klepac <elkropac@students.zcu.cz>. |
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| 22:23.38 | stever | pb_: whats new in you latest unstable image? |
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| 22:34.04 | pb_ | stever: h5400 lcd power management, some more h3800 lcd changes, new gpe stuff. |
| 22:34.11 | pb_ | er, h3800 sd changes, not lcd |
| 22:34.37 | ferric | pb_: bl seems to be broken in cvs? |
| 22:35.21 | pb_ | ferric: bl not supported on h5400 yet |
| 22:35.32 | pb_ | probably be fixed tomorrow |
| 22:35.37 | ferric | pb_: ah |
| 22:35.41 | stever | pb_: very good. thanks |
| 22:35.45 | ferric | we could do bl on/off earlier, though. |
| 22:35.54 | pb_ | oh, has that stopped working as well? |
| 22:36.06 | ferric | pb_: yes, afaik. |
| 22:36.12 | pb_ | off/on ought still to work. I don't know why that would have broken. |
| 22:36.20 | pb_ | I'll take a look at it. |
| 22:36.31 | ferric | pb_: cool. |
| 22:37.04 | stever | pb_: should I wait to try that last image, or is another comming shortly? |
| 22:41.02 | Ronnybfra | heyy |
| 22:41.08 | Ronnybfra | my dns res not wokin well |
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| 22:41.30 | Ronnybfra | so i tried to set 192.58.209.91 instaed of opie.handhelds.org |
| 22:41.48 | Ronnybfra | and isntead of familiar.handhelds.org |
| 22:41.57 | Ronnybfra | in the ipkg update |
| 22:42.01 | Ronnybfra | but it doesnt work |
| 22:42.07 | Ronnybfra | anyone know the real ip's ? |
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| 22:44.07 | Ronnybfra | ? |
| 22:49.26 | ferric | hm. bl works on my current kernel, pb_ but i'm not running the latest in the cvs. |
| 22:50.05 | pb_ | ferric: what version do you have? |
| 22:50.21 | pb_ | stever: probably best use that one. I don't plan to build another for a while. |
| 22:50.27 | ferric | pb_: i think 2 days ago cvs, but the other guy updated his cvs yesterday and bl * broke |
| 22:50.43 | pb_ | ferric: strange. I don't think anything changed in that area. |
| 22:51.10 | ferric | pb_: k, let me test mine. |
| 22:56.19 | drudge | arrg, netbsd is a pain |
| 23:01.19 | stever | pb_: ok, gonna load it now |
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| 23:05.00 | ferric | pb_: btw, did you fix anything on the at76c503 front? |
| 23:05.05 | pb_ | not yet |
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| 23:16.19 | drudge | good bye |
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| 23:23.32 | fontenot | hmm bl off was still working for me with CVS HEAD as of 2 nights ago |
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| 23:30.44 | fontenot | pb_: I put ppc back on the 5555 - you know od any ppc memory viewers? I wanna look at the DC registers. I have been searching but not found anything so far. |
| 23:31.22 | pb_ | fontenot: do you have the ability to rebuild bootblaster? |
| 23:31.42 | pb_ | should be fairly easy to add the DC register to its dump routines. |
| 23:33.38 | fontenot | pb_: I have no windows development tools - what would I need? |
| 23:33.46 | thought | nite guys |
| 23:34.06 | fontenot | is this a case of being able to dl the PPC dev kit from MS or would I need commercial software? |
| 23:34.11 | pb_ | fontenot: if you have a windows machine, you can download embedded visual studio for free from microsoft. |
| 23:34.29 | fontenot | ah OK that's what I thought I remembered |
| 23:35.02 | fontenot | I do have a windows dual-boot machine |
| 23:35.10 | fontenot | for games |
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| 23:43.33 | galexand | joshua! |
| 23:43.39 | joshua_ | lo |
| 23:43.41 | galexand | you're joshua wise / nontoxic right? :) |
| 23:44.04 | joshua_ | yes |
| 23:44.10 | galexand | i just bought a 1940 |
| 23:44.40 | galexand | i'm determined to get linux onto it, with bootldr and all |
| 23:44.56 | joshua_ | well, 1940 is not the same processor as 1910 |
| 23:45.14 | galexand | yes i expect this project to take several months :) |
| 23:45.32 | galexand | what can you recommend as far as jtag programming |
| 23:46.12 | joshua_ | I dunno if jflash has support for the samsung chip |
| 23:46.17 | joshua_ | infact I'm thinking it doesn't |
| 23:47.00 | galexand | i don't have any windows anyways |
| 23:47.12 | galexand | oh it's been ported heh |
| 23:47.37 | galexand | i kind of expected to have to write my own software, i was more curious about the hardware. |
| 23:48.36 | joshua_ | how fine of a soldering iron do you have? |
| 23:48.56 | galexand | the lart schematic is what i was looking for. thanks. |
| 23:49.14 | galexand | not very, i am going to have to upgrade and also learn if surface mount soldering is really involved. i'm hoping they'll have some sort of usable connector but i don't really expect to find it |
| 23:49.17 | galexand | (my T-5 hasn't arrived yet) |
| 23:49.30 | joshua_ | you will not need to do surface-mount soldering |
| 23:49.49 | galexand | do you need to solder onto the pads on the ipaq? |
| 23:49.56 | joshua_ | some test points, yes |
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| 23:51.12 | galexand | what about for the jtag? |
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| 23:51.36 | joshua_ | that is what I was talking about |
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| 23:56.45 | galexand | does bootldr actually go into the on-CPU flash on the 1910? |
| 23:57.02 | pb_ | there is no on-cpu flash. |
| 23:57.05 | joshua_ | there is no on-cpu flash |
| 23:57.11 | joshua_ | doh |
| 23:57.20 | galexand | oh a samsung innovation. hooray. :) |
| 23:57.22 | galexand | thanks |
| 23:57.40 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:57.46 | joshua_ | wtf? 1940 has onchip flash? |
| 23:58.25 | galexand | oh i do believe i may have misinterpretted "NAND Flash boot loader". perhaps it just has a boot loader in rom to be able to access nand flash |
| 23:58.46 | joshua_ | it's on the ASIC |
| 23:58.49 | pb_ | ah, that makes more sense. might be the same block as h2210 hamcop has. |
| 23:59.01 | pb_ | joshua_: there isn't really an asic in 1940. |
| 23:59.16 | galexand | i think i'm gonna need to spend a good long while with the s3c2410 manuals |
| 23:59.23 | galexand | because it looks like almost everything is built into that chip |
| 23:59.24 | joshua_ | pb_, no? |
| 23:59.48 | pb_ | joshua_: well, unless you count s3c2410 itself as an asic. |
| 23:59.53 | joshua_ | pb_: you have a 3900 handy? |
| 23:59.57 | pb_ | joshua_: right here |