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| 00:06.37 | adsoh | anyone can help please? |
| 00:10.30 | adsoh | maybe someone could send me his backup .gz so i can be able to restore? i dont know what to do.. :/ |
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| 00:17.51 | adsoh | maybe someone could send me his backup .gz so i can be able to restore? i dont know what to do.. :/ |
| 00:17.59 | adsoh | anyone can help please? |
| 00:19.05 | NonToxic | hey all |
| 00:19.45 | NonToxic | anyone know if hh23c is available yet? |
| 00:21.28 | pb_ | NonToxic: looks like hh24 exists now |
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| 00:21.55 | pb_ | NonToxic: but hh23c is also in the 2.4.18 feed |
| 00:23.56 | adsoh | pb_: do you know how i can reinstall pocketpc without any backups? |
| 00:24.54 | pb_ | ibot, wince restore? |
| 00:24.55 | | extra, extra, read all about it, wince restore is http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoadingFromCF |
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| 00:25.26 | pb_ | adsoh: see the first link ibot mentioned |
| 00:25.30 | adsoh | i read the first one.. but said i needed the backup file |
| 00:25.55 | pb_ | adsoh: in particular refer to the bit that says "If you do not have the saved wince image ..." |
| 00:26.41 | adsoh | i will take a closer look to the texts, thanks |
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| 01:06.22 | NonToxic | cool stuff pb |
| 01:06.25 | NonToxic | whoops, he's gone |
| 01:12.00 | NonToxic | aaaaaa |
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| 01:27.09 | NonToxic | Hey jg_. |
| 01:27.12 | NonToxic | How's your leg doing? |
| 01:27.30 | NonToxic | .... uhm... how long is the ping timeout?? |
| 01:27.36 | NonToxic | you know you can kill your ghost... |
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| 01:54.06 | jg_ | NonToxic: it's getting better, slowly. |
| 01:54.19 | jg_ | NonToxic: I really clobbered it badly. |
| 01:54.38 | jg_ | So this is only 3 nights after surgery. |
| 01:54.58 | jg_ | still complains greatly if I put it down lower than the heart. |
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| 01:55.32 | NonToxic | Hm. |
| 01:55.56 | jg_ | yeah, well, I don't recommend doing what I did to myself. |
| 01:56.06 | NonToxic | I wouldn't either. |
| 01:56.28 | NonToxic | jg_, listen to WOPN radio stream. |
| 01:56.35 | jg_ | still running a bit of a fever. Sigh... |
| 01:56.35 | NonToxic | or if you have a bad connection today, low-bitrate |
| 01:56.46 | NonToxic | yeah, :( |
| 01:57.31 | jg_ | NonToxic: what's on Wopn? |
| 01:57.53 | NonToxic | currently impulse's reviewing the new Star Trek movie |
| 01:57.57 | NonToxic | but it's usually music |
| 01:58.09 | NonToxic | #wopn-live |
| 01:58.23 | jg_ | star trek has lost it completely. I no longer care at all about it. |
| 01:58.29 | pooky | dhcp problem |
| 01:58.31 | pooky | doh |
| 01:58.40 | NonToxic | yeah |
| 01:58.46 | NonToxic | impulse is really taking them out |
| 01:59.44 | jg_ | Babylon 5, on the other hand... |
| 02:03.14 | NonToxic | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.26 | NonToxic | wooo |
| 02:14.29 | NonToxic | fresh build of OPIE |
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| 03:14.35 | pigeon | Hmm, any of those gsm/gprs cf/pcmcia card works with the ipaq/linux yet? (i.e. any drivers?) |
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| 03:37.26 | pooky | alright, time to put linux on this thing |
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| 03:45.21 | NonToxic | oh shit |
| 03:45.21 | NonToxic | Prelinking /usr/lib/libctutils.so.0.0.0 |
| 03:45.21 | NonToxic | Segmentation fault |
| 03:46.42 | NonToxic | well |
| 03:46.49 | NonToxic | hh24 fixed my resume bugs |
| 03:46.53 | NonToxic | because it doesn't suspend now! |
| 03:47.01 | Dilb_op2 | hehe |
| 03:47.50 | NonToxic | aw crap |
| 03:47.58 | NonToxic | when it suspends it causes a backtrace |
| 03:48.00 | NonToxic | hahaa |
| 03:48.34 | NonToxic | Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address c001fba0 |
| 03:48.35 | NonToxic | pgd = c3664000 |
| 03:48.35 | NonToxic | *pgd = c000042e, *pmd = c000042e(bad) |
| 03:48.35 | NonToxic | Internal error: Oops: 0 |
| 03:49.07 | Dilb_op2 | it's not really a BT :) |
| 03:50.17 | NonToxic | well |
| 03:50.19 | NonToxic | it stacktraces actually |
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| 03:51.54 | NonToxic | hm |
| 03:52.01 | NonToxic | and now it's detecting the wrong type of pcmcia cards |
| 03:52.05 | NonToxic | >:! |
| 03:55.19 | pooky | is 2.18.55 the latest bootldr? |
| 03:55.54 | NonToxic | wll, there are some 2.19 ones, but those have some brick potential. |
| 04:10.18 | pooky | hrm |
| 04:10.23 | pooky | I can't find this damn linux.zip |
| 04:12.03 | pooky | ah, found it... |
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| 04:22.38 | pooky | okay, I have a stupid question, does the bootldr contain the kernel? |
| 04:22.49 | treke|home | no |
| 04:22.54 | pooky | like, will I be able to boot after loading it? |
| 04:22.58 | treke|home | the kernel is part of the root image |
| 04:23.25 | treke|home | pooky: You can boot wince if you havent erased it. If you've uploaded a familiar image you can also boot |
| 04:23.43 | pooky | okay |
| 04:23.47 | pooky | that's what I'm looking for |
| 04:23.59 | pooky | I'm trying to be uber careful, and do this howto, but, I didn't see a linux.zip anywhere... |
| 04:24.16 | treke|home | linux.zip? |
| 04:24.21 | treke|home | What howto? |
| 04:24.35 | pooky | the one on handhelds.org... |
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| 04:24.53 | pooky | Use ActiveSync or network to copy bootldr linux.zip to the ipaq's CF card. |
| 04:24.56 | treke|home | pooky: url? |
| 04:25.02 | pooky | http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/getting-started.html |
| 04:27.04 | treke|home | pooky: hmmm. No idea where to get linux.zip |
| 04:27.15 | pooky | are you bored ;D |
| 04:27.25 | treke|home | Yes |
| 04:27.38 | treke|home | Unfortunatly I'm bored with something I have to do :) |
| 04:27.42 | pooky | doh |
| 04:27.44 | pooky | hehe |
| 04:39.22 | pooky | hrm |
| 04:44.42 | Xerxes | anyone know what's up with the Opie keyboard? |
| 04:44.51 | Xerxes | it installs but doesn't show up |
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| 05:37.32 | cdm | evening all. |
| 05:37.46 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 05:37.50 | cdm | anyone know if there is a "standard" way to grab a list of shoutcast streams from a server like shoutcast.com? |
| 05:38.47 | Dilb_op2 | 4 letters: perl |
| 05:39.01 | cdm | Dilb_op2: that isn't what I mean. |
| 05:39.01 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:39.19 | Dilb_op2 | ok 6 letters then: python :) |
| 05:39.32 | cdm | I am looking for something like how news is shared between websites. |
| 05:42.07 | cdm | BZFlagNotCTO: :) |
| 05:43.08 | kergoth | anyone have a procmail rule handy that matches html mail? |
| 05:43.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:43.51 | cdm | kergoth: to toss it away? |
| 05:43.55 | BZFlagNotCTO | kergoth: there is no mimencode on there is there? |
| 05:44.04 | kergoth | cdm: yeah |
| 05:44.08 | kergoth | BZFlagNotCTO: /me shrugs |
| 05:44.16 | cdm | kergoth: get spamassasin |
| 05:44.25 | kergoth | dont actually have any html mail handy, just wanted to ensure it gets nailed |
| 05:44.32 | kergoth | cdm: using it, does it block em by default? |
| 05:44.41 | cdm | kergoth: Just know it can. |
| 05:45.11 | kergoth | cdm: k, ill figure out how to tweak that. thanks |
| 05:51.44 | pooky | kergoth: if you're just out to block spam, I suggest bmf |
| 05:56.26 | pooky | so, I'm not running windows, so I can't move the files over that way, but can't I just download them directly using my wireless link? |
| 06:16.50 | pooky | I guess I would still need some kind of internet connection though after I booted into linux... |
| 06:17.50 | pooky | ah, and here at the end, it says I must have it connected |
| 06:17.51 | pooky | hrm |
| 06:18.01 | pooky | I think I'm just gonna take it into work and find a win box ;( |
| 06:22.21 | pooky | that sucks ;/ |
| 06:23.20 | spiralman | pooky: you dont need a net connection, it just makes things a lot easier |
| 06:23.53 | pooky | spiralman: well, the issue, is, I can't make a serial connection |
| 06:24.10 | pooky | spiralman: I'm lucky enough to have a wireless card for my ipaq, so I can get all the files... |
| 06:24.17 | spiralman | as in a ppp over serial connection, or a serial connection at all |
| 06:24.25 | pooky | ppp |
| 06:24.38 | spiralman | the wireless card will work in linux... |
| 06:25.03 | pooky | I'm really feeling stupid right now. |
| 06:25.21 | pooky | mostly out of the anxiety of owning a brick |
| 06:26.51 | pooky | spiralman: so, I could fire up bootblaster, install the bootloader, then what would I do after that? |
| 06:27.19 | spiralman | then you need a serial cable/cradle to install the rom image |
| 06:27.25 | pooky | that's what I thought |
| 06:27.28 | spiralman | thats what i was getting at before |
| 06:27.39 | pooky | gotcha |
| 06:27.44 | spiralman | its not a ppp connection between the ipaq and the desktop, its just raw ascii over serial |
| 06:27.56 | pooky | I see |
| 06:28.20 | spiralman | once you get linux installed, you can set up a ppp connection, or a wireless connection, or wired ethernet, or a usb connection |
| 06:28.30 | spiralman | or ir, or bluetooth, etc |
| 06:28.38 | spiralman | but for that first step, you need serial |
| 06:28.39 | pooky | yeah |
| 06:28.48 | pooky | that's what my general assumption was |
| 06:29.03 | pooky | and since something is wierd about my serial ports on this box |
| 06:29.09 | pooky | I'm just gonna take it to work, and find a win box |
| 06:29.14 | spiralman | k |
| 06:29.16 | pooky | hyperterminal.... |
| 06:29.28 | spiralman | yep |
| 06:31.16 | pooky | OH WAIT |
| 06:31.20 | pooky | I HAVE A WIN BOX :D |
| 06:31.27 | pooky | I just gotta go dig it out of the closet |
| 06:31.31 | pooky | WHEEEEEE |
| 06:31.50 | pooky | hrm, I don't think I've ever been that happy over realizing I have windows.. |
| 06:34.19 | cdm | anyone know if shoutcast.com has a small-screen version of thier website? |
| 06:38.22 | spiralman | pooky: you dont need windows... |
| 06:38.32 | spiralman | pooky: not for the installing the flash image part |
| 06:38.39 | spiralman | pooky: it works fine from linux or anything else |
| 06:39.18 | pooky | spiralman: heh, I'm just trying to find anything, that will let me move an image over ;) |
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| 06:39.45 | spiralman | pooky: pretty much anything that can do text and x modem will work |
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| 06:50.31 | BZFlagNotCTO | anyone else using swing java apps on Familiar? /me is having native threads grief with blackdown jvm |
| 06:56.56 | cdm | <shiver> swing </shiver> |
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| 08:28.02 | Dragon1212 | anyone here awake? |
| 08:32.18 | Tangent | Morning all |
| 08:32.26 | Tangent | Dragon1212: I am now :) |
| 08:33.40 | Dragon1212 | ahh |
| 08:33.44 | Dragon1212 | did I wake u? |
| 08:34.02 | Dragon1212 | sorry if i did :( |
| 08:34.16 | Tangent | Yeah... you and your noisy typing... How's a guy supposed to sleep with that racket going on ;) |
| 08:34.22 | Dragon1212 | lol |
| 08:34.36 | Dragon1212 | well, I must get straight to the point here.... |
| 08:35.04 | Dragon1212 | I am desperatly looking for an ARM port of the readline library |
| 08:35.09 | Dragon1212 | err... the include files |
| 08:35.24 | Tangent | Dragon1212: They should be available from debian |
| 08:35.45 | Dragon1212 | their search engine is down :( |
| 08:36.17 | Tangent | You probably want the libreadline4-dev package |
| 08:36.29 | Dragon1212 | wait... i just got that package |
| 08:36.32 | Dragon1212 | its in rpm |
| 08:36.42 | Tangent | Cool |
| 08:36.43 | Dragon1212 | duh.... |
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| 08:37.11 | Dragon1212 | ok, call me stupid, but, how do I open a RPM w/o having to actually install it |
| 08:37.30 | Tangent | Dragon1212: With RPMs... I've no idea... |
| 08:37.34 | Dragon1212 | hehe |
| 08:37.40 | Tangent | Dragon1212: I could tell you how to handle a .deb tho' |
| 08:38.08 | Dragon1212 | hmmm |
| 08:38.20 | Tangent | Let me find a URL... 20 secs |
| 08:38.23 | Dragon1212 | k |
| 08:38.27 | Dragon1212 | appric |
| 08:39.32 | Tangent | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/readline4/libreadline4-dev_4.2a-5_arm.deb |
| 08:39.51 | Tangent | use 'ar -x package.deb' to get at the goodies |
| 08:40.26 | Dragon1212 | ahhh....thank u soo much |
| 08:40.27 | Tangent | Should be a data.tar.gz (the goodies)... control.tar.gz (how to install the goodies on debian).. and debian_binary... (nothing important) |
| 08:40.40 | Dragon1212 | just like the ipkg's on my zaurus |
| 08:40.41 | Tangent | NP :) |
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| 08:44.58 | Tangent | Dragon1212: You can tell where ipkg got it's ideas from :) |
| 08:45.04 | Dragon1212 | yes |
| 08:45.21 | Dragon1212 | and OPIE uses a Debian base I think |
| 08:45.40 | Tangent | I thought opie used familiar as a base.... intimate uses debian... (I know too well) |
| 08:46.09 | Dragon1212 | eek |
| 08:46.14 | Dragon1212 | crap |
| 08:46.29 | Dragon1212 | damn... the headers didn't work |
| 08:46.32 | Tangent | I have two copies of debian arm... one to break.. and the other one as a backup copy |
| 08:46.41 | Tangent | Hrm.. what do they say now? |
| 08:47.15 | Dragon1212 | ? |
| 08:47.25 | Dragon1212 | ohh |
| 08:47.33 | Dragon1212 | bunch of compile errors |
| 08:48.04 | Tangent | (IE) |
| 08:48.08 | Dragon1212 | ick |
| 08:48.26 | Tangent | Yeah... my own fault :) |
| 08:48.28 | Dragon1212 | lol |
| 08:48.37 | Dragon1212 | Mozilla fer me... although it has its issues |
| 08:49.06 | Tangent | I'm _tyring_ to get my main machine over to running linux full-time... but it still has _issues_... |
| 08:49.33 | Dragon1212 | hehe... just converted mine from XP to Redhat 8 few months ago.... |
| 08:49.42 | Dragon1212 | haven't booted XP since :) |
| 08:49.49 | Dragon1212 | and DON'T miss it either |
| 08:51.02 | Tangent | I won't allow XP in the house... |
| 08:51.02 | Tangent | I won't allow XP machines on the network at work either |
| 08:51.02 | Tangent | This machine's been dual-boot for ages... but Video & Sound support always cause fun... |
| 08:51.06 | Tangent | I've got two gfx cards.... so what optimisations do I tell mplayer to use... etc... |
| 08:51.15 | Dragon1212 | hehe |
| 08:51.39 | Tangent | And the support for my Soundblaster Live! seems to support everything except the front panel... which is full of inputs for me... |
| 08:51.50 | Dragon1212 | ya, that sux |
| 08:52.20 | Tangent | The worst one tho... the one killer app for me... is rdesktop... i.e. Windows Terminal Services Client |
| 08:52.36 | Dragon1212 | never heard of it |
| 08:52.39 | Tangent | For me... that works for 5 mins.. .then screws up the window manager so badly that the only fix is to restart X |
| 08:52.51 | Tangent | It works perfectly on every machine except this one |
| 08:52.57 | Tangent | It's totally weird |
| 08:53.13 | Dragon1212 | im sorta new to Linux... well, not really... just got over that initial learning curve |
| 08:53.18 | Tangent | It's not like I'm a scared noob... but I still don't have a clue what's up with it |
| 08:55.24 | Tangent | I've been linuxing since slackware fitted on 31 floppies (for everything... 11 for them were X) |
| 08:55.30 | Dragon1212 | hehe |
| 08:55.42 | Tangent | something like 9 years now |
| 08:55.46 | Dragon1212 | jeez |
| 08:56.03 | Dragon1212 | maybe 4 or so years for me... off and on |
| 08:56.06 | Tangent | Yeah.. you'd think that after 9 years I'd have got my sound card set up properly :) |
| 08:56.10 | Dragon1212 | hehe |
| 08:56.59 | Dragon1212 | ahh well, that compile didn't work w/ the readline library... |
| 08:57.21 | Dragon1212 | guess ill c what I can do tomorrow... |
| 08:57.53 | Dragon1212 | I'm off to Unreal Tournament 2003 land...cya |
| 08:58.05 | Dragon1212 | btw, thx for you're help |
| 09:04.16 | Tangent | Dragon1212: No problem... Hope you blast them all :) |
| 09:04.30 | ker2x | inittab call /etc/init.d/powerfail , this file do not exist . |
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| 09:04.59 | ker2x | is it resolved in the last familiar release ? |
| 09:05.33 | Ng | Tangent: hey |
| 09:05.47 | Ng | Tangent: live ports on the front? is that a live drive? if so, some of that should be supported I think |
| 09:06.10 | ker2x | someone with the last release can check please ? :) |
| 09:08.21 | Tangent | Ng: It's a SB Live! Platinum Edition |
| 09:08.41 | ker2x | grmpf |
| 09:08.41 | Tangent | Ng: The ports on the front didn't work under windows either until a few months ago... |
| 09:09.18 | ker2x | "didn't work under windows" <- bah :) |
| 09:09.22 | Tangent | ker2x: Not there on my iPAQ |
| 09:09.29 | Ng | Tangent: nice :\ |
| 09:09.30 | ker2x | thx |
| 09:09.33 | Tangent | ker2x: Yeah.. I know... |
| 09:09.41 | Ng | Tangent: the linux live drivers are a bit sucky, but then the card is a bit sucky |
| 09:10.11 | Tangent | ker2x: It's kind of a fair assumption that if the manufacturer provided drivers don't work properly, then the OpenSource versions are less likely |
| 09:10.36 | Tangent | Ng: The card is the sort of thing I'd design.... let's stick a big DSP on there... and let the software deal with the rest :) |
| 09:10.46 | Tangent | Great for hardware designers |
| 09:10.55 | ker2x | hehe |
| 09:11.49 | ker2x | or a big CPU on PC, let's the software deal with this bad architecture :) |
| 09:12.22 | Tangent | Yep.. that's the way it works... |
| 09:12.40 | ker2x | Sun powah ! |
| 09:12.56 | ker2x | (old sun) |
| 09:12.57 | Tangent | The sad truth is... you can buy custom logic... or you can pay 1/10th the price and buy a CPU that can do everything the custom logic can, only faster, better, cheaper... and it does other stuff too |
| 09:13.23 | Tangent | This is why my homeautomation custom PCB has two CPUs and pretty much nothing else... couple of resistors etc... |
| 09:13.24 | ker2x | no, only _cheaper_ |
| 09:14.44 | Tangent | 4MHz crystal oscillater... abou $2.... Pic Microcontroller with built in 4MHz oscillator... $1... Use it as a clock signal... get a whole CPU thrown in for free |
| 09:15.06 | ker2x | ok ok :) |
| 09:15.10 | ker2x | not only cheaper :) |
| 09:16.08 | Tangent | Only cheaper if you count component cost... Have to add in dev time... but if you're mass producing then dev is a very small fraction of the cost |
| 09:16.36 | Tangent | i.e. I'd have to program the CPU to act as a crystal... the crysal would just work |
| 09:18.06 | pooky | ok, so, I just finished installing on my ipaq |
| 09:18.22 | pooky | can I reboot? |
| 09:18.56 | ker2x | why ? |
| 09:19.09 | ker2x | you just finished to install windows ? |
| 09:19.17 | *** join/#handhelds.org Ng (~cmsj@tenshu.black-sun.co.uk) |
| 09:19.39 | pooky | hehe |
| 09:19.42 | pooky | well, no |
| 09:19.47 | pooky | n/m |
| 09:19.54 | ker2x | :) |
| 09:20.00 | pooky | I can just kill the serial connection and carry on ;) |
| 09:20.03 | pooky | whee |
| 09:20.29 | pooky | I thik it's great it supported my wireless card and had dhcpcd set up out of the box... |
| 09:20.41 | pooky | big props to whoevers decision that was... |
| 09:20.44 | pooky | anyways |
| 09:20.50 | pooky | I'm exhausted |
| 09:20.53 | pooky | and must sleep now |
| 09:20.55 | pooky | goodnight |
| 09:21.00 | BZFlagNotCTO | anyway to get gpe to start rotated? |
| 09:21.00 | ker2x | 'day :) |
| 09:21.26 | ker2x | 10:27AM |
| 09:21.32 | ker2x | i have to go to work |
| 09:21.46 | Tangent | Wireless support still bugs me.... Mostly just the fact that I have two different wireless cards... One detects OK, but cant route (and it's definately got routes etc)... the other one I have to hack /etc/pcmcia to make it work |
| 09:22.16 | ker2x | my wireless card is working |
| 09:22.22 | ker2x | bu ti lost some hours |
| 09:22.27 | Tangent | Mine is now... It's just every time I upgrade it stops |
| 09:23.29 | sc00b | is anyone experienced installing cisco aironet 340/350 on a out-of-the-box familiar/opie-installation? |
| 09:24.04 | Tangent | sc00b: Cisco Aironet 340.. no .... Aironet 4800 yes... |
| 09:24.07 | sc00b | is it possible to install this wlan-card without d/l any other package? |
| 09:24.16 | sc00b | tan: thnx...too bad then :) |
| 09:24.20 | Tangent | sc00b: It should be... |
| 09:24.56 | sc00b | tan: should be? |
| 09:25.21 | Tangent | sc00b: It uses the airo_cs driver.. same as my 4800 does |
| 09:25.26 | Tangent | sc00b: And that's there by default |
| 09:25.44 | sc00b | tan: yes, but at boot-time it says that some module is missing |
| 09:26.04 | Tangent | sc00b: Hrm.. which module is missing? airo_cs ? |
| 09:26.29 | sc00b | tan: good question...don't remind it and i can't check it right now |
| 09:26.37 | sc00b | tan: but i think it was airo_cs |
| 09:26.37 | sc00b | right |
| 09:26.44 | Tangent | sc00b: It's there on the bootstrap image I downloaded a couple of days ago |
| 09:26.54 | sc00b | tan: really?? |
| 09:27.05 | sc00b | tan: do u have the url of this bootstrap? |
| 09:27.19 | Tangent | sc00b: It's just the one from the familiar install page... |
| 09:27.49 | Tangent | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6/install/bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 09:27.58 | Tangent | That's the one I'm using |
| 09:28.11 | ker2x | what is the last stable bootldr version ? |
| 09:28.16 | sc00b | tan: i'm using -> http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/bootopie-v061-03.jffs2 |
| 09:28.32 | sc00b | tan: so maybe i should downgrade :) |
| 09:28.43 | Tangent | sc00b: Ah.. more bleeding edge than me... Maybe downgrade is a good idea. |
| 09:28.53 | sc00b | tan: seems so |
| 09:29.06 | Tangent | sc00b: I have the modules in /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk3/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/airo_cs.o |
| 09:29.07 | sc00b | tan: anyway, thank u very much for that tip |
| 09:29.15 | Tangent | sc00b: No problem.. glad to help :_ |
| 09:29.52 | ker2x | grrrr |
| 09:30.03 | ker2x | the install.html for the bootloader is outdated |
| 09:30.18 | sc00b | ker2x: y? |
| 09:31.25 | ker2x | Download bootldr 2.8.01 |
| 09:31.30 | ker2x | Download bootldr 2.18.01 |
| 09:31.43 | ker2x | this version can't boot the last img |
| 09:31.58 | ker2x | brb |
| 09:34.39 | sc00b | ker: i don't know where you saw this...but this site seems more up to date: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6/install/install-bootldr.html |
| 09:39.08 | Dragon1212 | yawn... peace Tangent |
| 09:39.12 | Dragon1212 | thx again |
| 09:41.40 | ker2x | http://handhelds.org/download/bootldr/install.html |
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| 10:02.34 | BZFlagNotCTO | ipkg.conf does not contain "card" or "mmc" |
| 10:04.44 | sandman_ | BZFlagNotCTO: hi .. thanks for the ibot alias btw |
| 10:11.57 | mallum | BZFlagNotCTO: NotCTO ? |
| 10:12.27 | mallum | BZFlagNotCTO: is this something to do with the metroworks buy out ? |
| 10:29.20 | ker2x | mmmm |
| 10:29.28 | BZFlagNotCTO | mallum: yes. |
| 10:29.40 | ker2x | i'upgraded 0.6.1 to "unstable" |
| 10:29.59 | ker2x | and now i don't have the "login" prompt |
| 10:30.13 | BZFlagNotCTO | mallum: Metrowerks has not choosen to offer me a full time position (or a few other engineers for that matter) |
| 10:30.27 | ker2x | Id "T0" respawning too fast, disabling for 5mn |
| 10:30.34 | ker2x | graaah |
| 10:30.47 | ker2x | INIT: no more process left in this runlevel |
| 10:30.50 | BZFlagNotCTO | mallum: yet they claim they have acquired "All key talent from Embedix Inc.: management, engineering, marketing, sales" |
| 10:31.09 | BZFlagNotCTO | so I'm just griping about it. ;-) |
| 10:33.25 | mallum | BZFlagNotCTO: arg, bummer :( |
| 10:34.03 | ker2x | Starting PCMCIA Service |
| 10:34.07 | ker2x | blablabla |
| 10:34.25 | ker2x | cardmgr[270]: watching 2 sockets |
| 10:34.31 | ker2x | and that's all |
| 10:34.40 | ker2x | can't boot |
| 10:35.18 | mallum | BZFlagNotCTO: They are sorting you out a good redundancy deal though ? |
| 10:39.50 | ker2x | i have an idea, stable version in flash, unstable on hardrive |
| 10:44.08 | ker2x | bbl |
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| 11:59.09 | ker2x | hey, how can i submit a bug on the familiar 0.6.1 with bugzilla ? |
| 11:59.46 | BZFlagNotCTO | mallum: remains to be seen. |
| 11:59.52 | ker2x | the last version displayed is 5.0-9, or i misunderstanding something |
| 12:00.27 | ker2x | mmmm |
| 12:00.39 | ker2x | sorry :) |
| 12:01.05 | ker2x | it's sorted in alphanumeric :) |
| 12:04.26 | minddog | hrmm |
| 12:04.38 | minddog | what /dev/ttyS... is it for second serial device |
| 12:04.44 | minddog | in debian |
| 12:04.51 | ker2x | 1 ? |
| 12:05.12 | minddog | not happenin heh |
| 12:05.41 | minddog | got it |
| 12:05.41 | minddog | =) |
| 12:10.48 | minddog | upgrading the bootldr and familiar today |
| 12:10.51 | minddog | been a while |
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| 12:13.53 | ker2x | yo dilb |
| 12:15.01 | Dilb | hi |
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| 13:30.49 | mark | hi all. can anyone tell me what signal gets sent to apps when a device goes into suspend? |
| 13:32.35 | minddog | hrmm ymodem seems to break in 2.18.48 |
| 13:32.58 | minddog | guess ill just upload the new bootldr through familiar |
| 13:35.22 | AntiProxy | umm |
| 13:35.38 | AntiProxy | how can you upload bootldr through familiar anyway ? .) |
| 13:35.58 | minddog | AntiProxy: send the file over minicom |
| 13:36.08 | AntiProxy | where to ? |
| 13:36.29 | AntiProxy | i don't think you can access /dev/mtdblock/0 from within familiar, if that's what you'r trying |
| 13:36.42 | minddog | zmodem to the ipaq |
| 13:36.59 | AntiProxy | i got that point |
| 13:37.10 | AntiProxy | say you have the new bootldr.bin sitting in your iPAQ somewhere.. |
| 13:37.11 | AntiProxy | now what ? |
| 13:37.14 | minddog | usually it worked couple months ago |
| 13:37.18 | minddog | oh duh |
| 13:37.28 | minddog | i have a cf disk |
| 13:37.35 | minddog | my ibm microdrive |
| 13:37.48 | AntiProxy | okay.. that explains .) |
| 13:37.59 | minddog | hrmm i should just be able to send it over zmodem right? |
| 13:38.08 | minddog | no application has to be instantiated right? |
| 13:39.05 | AntiProxy | not sure how exactly it works.. i usually do that over minicom |
| 13:39.19 | AntiProxy | and i'd guess the reciever has to expect an incoming transmittion.. |
| 13:39.19 | minddog | i have minicom open |
| 13:39.24 | minddog | ctrl a+s |
| 13:39.31 | minddog | chhose zmodem and then the file |
| 13:39.39 | AntiProxy | you know.. |
| 13:39.41 | AntiProxy | i was thinking |
| 13:39.43 | pooky | heh, are there keys missing? |
| 13:39.53 | AntiProxy | you could have been done already, if you sent the image over xmodem |
| 13:39.54 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 13:39.59 | pooky | I could not figure out how to get an @ for the life of my last night on that thing? |
| 13:40.04 | AntiProxy | it's just 200KBs anyway |
| 13:40.09 | minddog | i did but it was taking over 25minutes |
| 13:40.12 | minddog | somethings wrong |
| 13:40.23 | AntiProxy | pooky: keys where ? |
| 13:40.29 | pooky | man, it took me just over half an hour to move the gpe image |
| 13:40.45 | AntiProxy | pooky: that's a ~6MB image |
| 13:40.45 | pooky | AntiProxy: trying to use xvt with the virtual keyboard |
| 13:41.01 | AntiProxy | he's just tranfering bootldr image which is a couple of hundred KBs |
| 13:41.01 | pooky | rxvt |
| 13:41.07 | pooky | oh |
| 13:41.12 | pooky | sorry to interrupt |
| 13:41.30 | minddog | somethings really akward |
| 13:41.45 | pooky | but seriously how does one ssh, if one can't type an @ symbol ;) |
| 13:42.02 | pooky | it was giving me a " when I typed the normal key... |
| 13:42.09 | AntiProxy | the @ symbol should be SHIFT - 2 |
| 13:42.14 | AntiProxy | unless you've altered the keymaps |
| 13:42.19 | pooky | I haven't |
| 13:42.30 | AntiProxy | what does shift-2 do ? |
| 13:42.44 | jamey | AntiProxy: last time I installed bootldr from Linux I had to recompile the kernel to do so |
| 13:43.01 | jamey | we have it pretty well protected from linux apps |
| 13:43.02 | minddog | grr |
| 13:43.05 | AntiProxy | jamey: oh.. so it's the kernel that protects /dev/mtdblock/0 ? |
| 13:43.14 | kero-work | makr: and what would the app do with it, specifically, how would it report to the kernel it is "done" with the signal? no signal is sent, afaik. |
| 13:43.36 | minddog | interesting |
| 13:43.51 | kero-work | mark, even... |
| 13:43.58 | jamey | AntiProxy: the sector is locked, but then the mtd device is also marked read only so the kernel won't let you unlock it or write to it |
| 13:44.11 | AntiProxy | right! |
| 13:44.23 | AntiProxy | pb_ and i , had a lil chat on this earlier on |
| 13:44.27 | mark | kero-work: right. so how do the apps stop running? (which they seemingly do?) |
| 13:44.30 | jamey | AntiProxy: that might be overkill. |
| 13:44.36 | minddog | either a) im doing something wrong, cuz the file won't send b) a lot of things aer busted |
| 13:44.48 | kero-work | mark: they don't, they continue when the unit resumes. |
| 13:45.00 | jamey | minddog: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:45.13 | minddog | send a file over *modem |
| 13:45.13 | AntiProxy | jamey: it could enable people to update bootldr without a serial cable/cradle |
| 13:45.16 | minddog | in familiar |
| 13:45.28 | mark | kero-work: so does something in the kernel 'pause' them whilst the device is suspended? |
| 13:45.59 | AntiProxy | jamey: we could as well write a simple script, that'd generate MD5SUMs of /dev/mtdblock/0 and compare them to the image copied.. |
| 13:46.01 | minddog | hell maybe my minicom might be busted |
| 13:46.17 | AntiProxy | or even perform the same verification routines that bootldr does on new images transferred |
| 13:46.28 | AntiProxy | that could be a good alternative to "load bootldr" .) |
| 13:46.32 | AntiProxy | fast too |
| 13:47.47 | pooky | can you use the "minikeyboard" with linux? is it a supported device? |
| 13:48.12 | kero-work | mark: the CPU is shut down; the app has no chance of doing anything at all |
| 13:48.13 | jamey | AntiProxy: then we need to modify bootldr not to attach "ro" to bootldr partition description |
| 13:48.36 | AntiProxy | pooky: you mean Microkeyboard ? |
| 13:48.55 | minddog | i knew it was a hack a while ago, never did get my keyboard working |
| 13:49.04 | jamey | minddog: have you ever sent a file to the ipaq via *modem? if running linux on ipaq (not bootldr), then zmodem works best. make sure lrzsz is installed on host. |
| 13:49.36 | kero-work | mark: note that various hardware parts are governed by the kernel, so get a chance to shut down properly. |
| 13:49.41 | minddog | ahhh thats why |
| 13:50.11 | pooky | yeah, the micro keyboard |
| 13:50.13 | pooky | sorry |
| 13:50.24 | minddog | hrmm no its installed |
| 13:50.35 | AntiProxy | pooky: yup.. it works with microkbd-modules-2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 13:50.36 | mark | kero-work: okay, thanks. |
| 13:50.50 | kero-work | mark: and there is some tricky stuff with sleeves and cardmgr, so all is done in proper order. Bt you'd have to ask someone else about the details. |
| 13:50.54 | kero-work | mark: np |
| 13:51.29 | minddog | er i mean no, ive been up all nite |
| 13:51.36 | pooky | AntiProxy: thanks |
| 13:51.51 | pooky | sorry for all the newb questions... |
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| 13:52.12 | pooky | I really should have gotten some sleep last ngiht, instead of sitting awake till 2 in the morning installing ;) |
| 13:52.23 | pooky | then having to get up at 5 to go to work...sigh |
| 13:57.02 | minddog | hrmm |
| 13:57.06 | minddog | im gettin somewhere |
| 14:00.50 | minddog | zmodem gives me a timeout on filename |
| 14:01.41 | minddog | ahh rz |
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| 14:05.04 | minddog | still messed hrmm |
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| 14:06.00 | minddog | ahh the update killed my network config file oos |
| 14:07.57 | Hymie | LoRez: WHY DO FORESTS NEED SIDING?! |
| 14:09.27 | LoRez | um. the vinyl keeps the trees protected from the elements |
| 14:09.34 | Hymie | _)$+@#$)+@_ |
| 14:09.46 | Hymie | damn Greenpeace nuts |
| 14:09.46 | Hymie | ;) |
| 14:10.09 | LoRez | the animals like to chew on the corners too |
| 14:10.38 | LoRez | we also sell windows. lots of windows. |
| 14:10.56 | pooky | man, i can't read this term for the life of me... |
| 14:11.04 | Hymie | change the font |
| 14:11.07 | pooky | is there any way to turn off aa? |
| 14:11.07 | Hymie | change the colours |
| 14:11.18 | Hymie | that's probably bold, not aa |
| 14:11.29 | Hymie | some mindless bonehead decided that all terms look better with bold fonts |
| 14:11.37 | Hymie | so they went around setting that as the default |
| 14:12.11 | AntiProxy | Disconnect: ping |
| 14:13.36 | AntiProxy | ~botmail for Disconnect doesn't ibot log channels anymore? if so, how come the channel stats page hasn't been updated for 2 months ? |
| 14:16.21 | minddog | ahh sftp for the 9meg image |
| 14:17.14 | AntiProxy | jamey: still no hh24 in unstable feed... haven't you got a chance to copy it yet ? |
| 14:24.52 | minddog | i have deleted many files |
| 14:24.58 | minddog | how would i flush them |
| 14:25.08 | minddog | df still shows the same amount of space used |
| 14:25.39 | minddog | nevermind it updated itself |
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| 14:44.46 | Xerxes | has anyone gotten Opie to connect via Qtopia Desktop 1.6b for Windows? |
| 14:45.19 | nDiScReEt | I haven't gottten that same version for linux to work neither |
| 14:45.29 | nDiScReEt | we are in the same boat on this one. |
| 14:46.13 | Xerxes | I can get it to work in Linux if I establish a ppp connection |
| 14:46.49 | nDiScReEt | Really? Maybe if I tried it that way instead of using USB networking? |
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| 14:47.36 | nDiScReEt | Did you have to change the ip for your ipaq in order for it to work? |
| 14:48.02 | Xerxes | no, I just use the same connection I use fo ssh, IpMasq,etc... |
| 14:48.24 | Xerxes | just tell Qtopia Desktop the ipaq's IP |
| 14:48.24 | minddog | hrmm |
| 14:48.32 | minddog | does ext3 work on the bootldr |
| 14:48.39 | Xerxes | ? |
| 14:48.40 | minddog | or does it have to be jffs2 partition |
| 14:48.44 | Xerxes | oh |
| 14:48.49 | nDiScReEt | I do and then that is when the ipaq comes out of standby mode but I can't sync anything |
| 14:49.13 | Xerxes | does it connect? I mean, does the ipaq prompt you to allow the connection? |
| 14:49.26 | nDiScReEt | It has no features enabled. |
| 14:49.51 | Xerxes | you have to make sure you enter the IP AND choose the ethernet radio button |
| 14:49.54 | nDiScReEt | Maybe I should try the tarball instead of the rpm? |
| 14:49.59 | nDiScReEt | Did you use the rpm? |
| 14:50.03 | Xerxes | yeah |
| 14:50.08 | Xerxes | rpm2tgz |
| 14:50.23 | minddog | weird |
| 14:51.06 | minddog | i still get an RXSTAT error |
| 14:51.25 | Xerxes | minddog: when you do what? |
| 14:51.35 | minddog | load bootldr |
| 14:51.40 | minddog | when i send over xmodem |
| 14:51.49 | Xerxes | minddog: what are you sending it? |
| 14:51.57 | minddog | bootldr*.bin |
| 14:52.11 | Xerxes | did you do 'partition reset'? |
| 14:52.50 | minddog | that won't help anything |
| 14:52.51 | minddog | buty eah i tried |
| 14:52.54 | Xerxes | ok |
| 14:53.00 | nDiScReEt | I don't see the ethernet button. Only USB, Serial, and Local Area Network |
| 14:53.08 | Xerxes | LAN, sorry |
| 14:53.09 | minddog | Retry 0: Retry Count Exceeded |
| 14:53.10 | minddog | weird |
| 14:53.12 | Xerxes | that's what I meant |
| 14:53.27 | Xerxes | minddog: yep. That's weird. |
| 14:53.34 | nDiScReEt | That is what I have it on now |
| 14:53.46 | Xerxes | and you entered the ipaq IP? |
| 14:53.48 | minddog | its gotta be my machine |
| 14:54.10 | Xerxes | and it agrees with ifconfig? |
| 14:54.10 | nDiScReEt | Yes, I use the default 192.168.0.202 |
| 14:54.22 | Xerxes | hmm |
| 14:54.32 | Xerxes | mine works fine |
| 14:55.15 | nDiScReEt | I can assess the internet from the ipaq and ssh from the ipaq or the desktop |
| 14:55.36 | Xerxes | that is odd |
| 14:55.49 | Xerxes | maybe the ipaq is missing a service? |
| 14:55.50 | nDiScReEt | very |
| 14:56.01 | Xerxes | I don't know what part of Opie controls that though |
| 14:56.17 | minddog | Xerxes: weirdest ever |
| 14:56.33 | minddog | it was an xterm problem |
| 14:56.36 | minddog | enviroment variables |
| 14:57.09 | nDiScReEt | I think you are right but I too don't have an idea what that could be. |
| 14:57.20 | Xerxes | minddog: you're using xterm? |
| 14:57.23 | nDiScReEt | anyway you can list yours? |
| 14:57.29 | minddog | xterm -> minicom |
| 14:57.42 | Xerxes | nDiScReEt: you could try installing the rest of opie? |
| 14:58.08 | Xerxes | nDiScReEt: yes, I can sync, install software, up/download documents, etc. |
| 14:58.12 | Xerxes | minddog: ah |
| 14:58.42 | nDiScReEt | I am envious of Xerxes |
| 14:58.58 | minddog | okay ymodem'ing the 9megs |
| 14:59.01 | minddog | ill be back in a couple hours |
| 14:59.45 | Xerxes | nDiScReEt: try the network packages from Opie |
| 15:00.11 | nDiScReEt | I'm looking through them now using ipkgfind |
| 15:01.49 | Xerxes | minddog: you're loading it a 9MB bootloader?? |
| 15:01.58 | nDiScReEt | Xerxes: you don't happen to use storm do you? |
| 15:02.16 | Xerxes | nDiScReEt: Storm Linux? |
| 15:03.27 | nDiScReEt | oh no, storm the ipk package |
| 15:03.32 | nDiScReEt | it is a syncing PIM |
| 15:07.57 | Xerxes | oh |
| 15:07.59 | Xerxes | hmmm |
| 15:08.07 | Xerxes | No, but it sounds interesting |
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| 15:11.56 | nDiScReEt | I went to opie and someone told me that I needed to install opie-security and then set the ip range. |
| 15:12.58 | niklas_ | When I start playing music on my iPAQ I only get low volume and in the left earphone, mostly. If I raise and lower the volume it gets good, but how can I avoid having to do this? |
| 15:13.34 | Xerxes | you could have a bad connector |
| 15:14.08 | minddog | Xerxes: nah bootldr is only 250kb |
| 15:14.15 | minddog | the bootstrap is 9megs |
| 15:14.20 | Xerxes | ah, ok |
| 15:14.31 | Xerxes | hehe |
| 15:14.39 | minddog | been 5month since last fresh install |
| 15:14.42 | minddog | might as well now |
| 15:18.00 | Xerxes | hehe, yeah |
| 15:18.04 | Xerxes | let me know how it goes |
| 15:24.01 | jamey | AntiProxy: hh24 is now in the unstable feed. thanks for reminding me. |
| 15:24.30 | Xerxes | btw, what is hh24? |
| 15:24.44 | jamey | Xerxes: 2.4.18-rmk3-hh23 kernel packages |
| 15:24.50 | jamey | Xerxes: 2.4.18-rmk3-hh24 kernel packages |
| 15:25.02 | Xerxes | oh, ok |
| 15:25.27 | Xerxes | do these constitute substantial improvements? |
| 15:26.54 | minddog | take a look at the source hehe |
| 15:28.31 | minddog | great its doen |
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| 16:04.24 | AntiProxy | pb_: did you get a chance to try the modded init scripts ? |
| 16:04.33 | AntiProxy | hi jg_ feeling better i hope ? |
| 16:04.47 | AntiProxy | jamey: thanks.. updated successfuly |
| 16:05.14 | jg_ | AntiProxy: not much. |
| 16:05.52 | AntiProxy | jg_: you have a surgical operation due sometime soon, right ? |
| 16:06.43 | jg_ | I have about 5 days of heavy duty pain meds left, so my expectation is either the pain starts abating or I get a refill. I'm hoping the former, rather than the latter.... |
| 16:07.01 | AntiProxy | hope you get well soon man.. |
| 16:07.10 | jg_ | AntiProxy: Had the surgery to reassemble the ankle Sunday. |
| 16:07.10 | AntiProxy | i hate it when bad things happen to good folks .) |
| 16:07.18 | AntiProxy | ouch.. that bad ?! |
| 16:07.19 | jg_ | it went well. |
| 16:07.25 | AntiProxy | i'm glad.. |
| 16:07.32 | jg_ | two breaks: fibia and tibia. |
| 16:07.43 | jg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.51 | pb_ | AntiProxy: not yet, been quite busy the last few days |
| 16:07.59 | jg_ | I just want to know if I'll set off the airport detectors now. |
| 16:08.01 | AntiProxy | couldn't be worse! |
| 16:08.03 | pb_ | AntiProxy: I will try to test 'em out this evening if I get time |
| 16:08.12 | jg_ | my head gear didn't do so; maybe this will now. |
| 16:08.19 | AntiProxy | jg_: all that cuz you fell while sweeping some leafs ? |
| 16:08.35 | jg_ | yeah, to reduce the chance of injury. |
| 16:08.41 | jg_ | heh... |
| 16:08.45 | AntiProxy | .) |
| 16:09.11 | AntiProxy | pb_: great.. lemme know how it goes |
| 16:09.30 | pb_ | will do |
| 16:09.32 | AntiProxy | pb_: i *think* i'll have to update familiar-base, cuz it got updated in the unstable feed ( if you'r using that ) |
| 16:09.37 | AntiProxy | otherwise.. it should be fine |
| 16:09.45 | pb_ | yeah, I am using unstable |
| 16:10.02 | AntiProxy | gah |
| 16:10.07 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 16:10.12 | AntiProxy | okay.. i'll fix that up |
| 16:10.18 | jg_ | AntiProxy: so I get about 1 hour out of every 4 where I feel pretty decent; the rest of the time varies between drugged out or uncomfortable. |
| 16:10.34 | jamey | hi jg |
| 16:10.43 | jg_ | hi jamey. |
| 16:10.57 | jamey | jg_: what kind of fractures did you have in your fibia and tibia? |
| 16:11.03 | jg_ | serious boredom is setting in.... |
| 16:11.04 | AntiProxy | jg_: i know the feeling.. all the best man, hope you get well real soon .) |
| 16:11.47 | jg_ | well, the one I saw to my untrained eye went well up the length of the bone, along its length... |
| 16:12.00 | jamey | jg_: oh wow |
| 16:12.11 | jg_ | the other I didn't see, not that I've examined the xrays carefully. |
| 16:12.27 | jg_ | so they have to hold the bones together carefully for them and the ligaments to knit. |
| 16:12.43 | jg_ | No weight on the bones for at least a month after injury. |
| 16:13.32 | jamey | bummer |
| 16:13.37 | jg_ | yup. |
| 16:14.00 | jg_ | though seeing it in the dislocated state was more psycologically disturbing. |
| 16:14.13 | jamey | I would think the pain meds would be the worst part of it. |
| 16:14.15 | jg_ | You just aren't used to things going at funny angles. |
| 16:14.29 | jamey | being immobilized is bad enough without being able to do anything |
| 16:14.38 | jg_ | yeah, as usual, the meds are both blessing and a curse. |
| 16:14.45 | jg_ | yup. |
| 16:14.54 | minddog | wow the new bootldr is fast |
| 16:15.07 | jamey | minddog: which new bootldr? |
| 16:15.13 | jamey | version |
| 16:15.17 | jg_ | I'll be glad when I'm off the narcotics, which I have way too much experience with for my taste, so the brain again functions properly. |
| 16:15.23 | minddog | 2.18.54 |
| 16:15.30 | minddog | i just upgraded from 2.18.48 |
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| 16:15.59 | jamey | minddog: yes, it scans jffs2 faster now. as suggested by dwmw2, it does not check crc on nodes it is not reading |
| 16:16.35 | jamey | minddog: same thing is in the kernel in 2.4.19 now -- latest is 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh3 in feeds/2.4.19 |
| 16:16.50 | jamey | it makes the whole boot process much faster |
| 16:17.19 | jamey | jg_: is there anything we can get for you? |
| 16:17.31 | jg_ | not at the moment. |
| 16:17.55 | minddog | ahh sweet |
| 16:18.04 | jg_ | Once I get off the drugs so I can work again, I'll probably want an assortment of iPAQ gear to mess with. |
| 16:18.21 | jg_ | I hope that will be a bit after Christmass. |
| 16:19.01 | jg_ | I'll put a list together of things I didn't have in my backpack, when I'm a bit more cogent. |
| 16:19.30 | minddog | jg_: what happened if i may ask |
| 16:19.33 | jg_ | I've ordered a hospital sort of table to work on: it hasn't arrived yet. |
| 16:20.53 | jg_ | minddog: dislocated ankle, broke fibia and tibia |
| 16:21.11 | Ng | ouch :( |
| 16:21.14 | Ng | hope they heal quickly |
| 16:21.20 | jg_ | Ng: ouch is right. |
| 16:21.25 | minddog | =/ ... yeah get better fast |
| 16:21.32 | jg_ | cast on for maybe 8 weeks. |
| 16:21.41 | minddog | i hope nothing goes real permanent |
| 16:22.01 | minddog | so heal right! |
| 16:22.32 | Ng | yeah, make sure they put all the bits in the right way round ;) |
| 16:22.46 | minddog | good luck, im out for the day |
| 16:26.06 | nelson | jg_: I stayed in bed an extra hour this morning, in solidarity with you. |
| 16:27.14 | jg_ | nelson: sounds like a plan :-) |
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| 16:38.18 | jamey | BZFlag: btw, I made 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa2-hh3 packages yesterday for sa1100 and pxa in feeds/2.4.19 |
| 16:38.35 | jamey | includes your mmc patch |
| 16:40.55 | grib | nelson: some genius should create healing.distributed.net and we can all donate some healing time to jg |
| 16:45.09 | sjohnson | Has js had sugery yet? |
| 16:45.15 | sjohnson | s/js/jg/ |
| 16:45.43 | jg_ | sjohnson: yes, on Sunday. |
| 16:46.07 | jg_ | so I'm bolted back together again... |
| 16:46.31 | jg_ | sjohnson: the question of the hour is whether I'll set off the metal detectors at airports now... |
| 16:47.35 | sjohnson | jg_: Probably will. Late time, my small belt buckle set off the detector. |
| 16:47.48 | BZFlag | jamey: cool. I'll test today. |
| 16:48.03 | jg_ | the titanium in my skull doesn't set it off, so I dunno. |
| 16:48.03 | jg_ | We'll see. |
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| 16:48.33 | pooky | so, I installed the micro keyboqard modules, but, I'm still having issues, is there anyhting extra I should do, besides installing the package? |
| 16:51.17 | sjohnson | jg_: Well, either way, I hope you feeling better. |
| 16:51.32 | jg_ | thanks |
| 17:13.23 | niklas_ | I've researched my sound problem a bit more. |
| 17:14.41 | niklas_ | If I do "madplay -o raw:/dev/dsp a.mp3 b.mp3" it only occurs at the start of a.mp3, but if I do "madplay -o raw:/dev/dsp a.mp3; sleep 1; madplay -o raw:/dev/dsp b.mp3" it occurs at the start of both. |
| 17:15.18 | pb_ | what is the problem? |
| 17:15.20 | niklas_ | The problem I get is that if I don't have the volume over half I only get sound in the left earphone. |
| 17:15.44 | niklas_ | If I raise the volume and then lower it back I get full stereo, but it's annoying to have to do that. |
| 17:16.14 | pb_ | ah, I see. sounds very strange. |
| 17:16.39 | niklas_ | I uninstalled esd as the .ipk with ogg123 I found didn't support esd, and esd hogs /dev/dsp. |
| 17:17.20 | niklas_ | My system is a pretty standard familiar 0.6.1, so I don't see how I could be the only one with this issue... |
| 17:21.39 | pb_ | well, I guess most people are using esd. maybe the problem doesn't occur in that situation. |
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| 17:55.04 | pooky | how does one take screenshots? |
| 17:55.36 | *** join/#handhelds.org dc__ (~dctanner@modem-55-51-60-62.vip.uk.com) |
| 17:55.37 | pb_ | see handhelds.org/scap |
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| 18:04.21 | pooky | sure does take awhile |
| 18:04.29 | pooky | actually, i bet my proxy is screwing it up ;/ |
| 18:04.36 | pooky | there's no way to do a local capture? |
| 18:04.54 | pb_ | ah, yeah, scap doesn't get on well with proxies. |
| 18:05.03 | pb_ | you can cat /dev/fb0 >somefile |
| 18:05.06 | AntiProxy | says who ? .) |
| 18:05.18 | pb_ | but you will have to convert the raw bits to some usable image format. |
| 18:05.48 | pooky | is it similiar to what xwd pumps out? |
| 18:06.18 | pb_ | dunno. I don't have much of an idea what you get from xwd. |
| 18:06.28 | pooky | hrm |
| 18:06.34 | AntiProxy | http://www.antiproxy.com:35000/HandHeld/misc/scap |
| 18:06.36 | pb_ | it will be raw 16bpp pixel data: five bits of red, six bits of green, five bits of blue. |
| 18:06.56 | AntiProxy | put that in /usr/bin, chmod it +x, and of course, set your proxy IP/Port |
| 18:07.26 | pooky | your site is blocked... |
| 18:07.29 | pooky | on this network |
| 18:07.30 | AntiProxy | otherwise, if you just wanna do local scaps,, cat /dev/fb0 > some_file, and get raw2ppm to convert that |
| 18:07.34 | AntiProxy | blocked ? |
| 18:07.35 | pooky | I tried looking at it the other day |
| 18:07.36 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 18:07.50 | AntiProxy | pooky: which network is that ? |
| 18:07.56 | pooky | well |
| 18:08.01 | pooky | the filtering software is websense |
| 18:08.07 | pooky | it's a school network |
| 18:08.17 | AntiProxy | bast***s |
| 18:08.25 | AntiProxy | try the IP instead |
| 18:08.28 | AntiProxy | websense is stupid that way |
| 18:08.38 | AntiProxy | http://216.133.73.216:35000/HandHeld/misc/scap |
| 18:09.05 | pooky | can't do any port outside of 80 ;) |
| 18:09.13 | AntiProxy | ah.. that |
| 18:09.14 | pooky | no worries |
| 18:09.20 | pooky | I'll pop something up later |
| 18:09.22 | AntiProxy | i thought they banned *.antiproxy.com |
| 18:09.27 | pooky | I want to start finding themes and such for matchbox though soon ;) |
| 18:09.30 | nDiScReEt | This is it "/usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.control |
| 18:09.32 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.list |
| 18:09.49 | AntiProxy | nDiScReEt: paste the whole line |
| 18:09.55 | AntiProxy | i put that '-al' there on purpose ,) |
| 18:09.55 | mallum | pooky: there are a load of older ones in matchbox cvs |
| 18:10.31 | nDiScReEt | aiight "~ # ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale* |
| 18:10.33 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.control |
| 18:10.34 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.list |
| 18:10.36 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-el.control |
| 18:10.37 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-el.list |
| 18:10.39 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-es.control |
| 18:10.40 | AntiProxy | stop dude |
| 18:10.40 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-es.list |
| 18:10.42 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-et.control |
| 18:10.43 | AntiProxy | lol.. |
| 18:10.43 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-et.list |
| 18:10.44 | AntiProxy | stop |
| 18:10.45 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-eu.control |
| 18:10.46 | AntiProxy | dangit |
| 18:10.47 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-eu.list |
| 18:10.48 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fa.control |
| 18:10.50 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fa.list |
| 18:10.51 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fi.control |
| 18:10.53 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fi.list |
| 18:10.54 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fr.control |
| 18:10.56 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-fr.list |
| 18:10.57 | pooky | dude |
| 18:10.57 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-ga.control |
| 18:10.59 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-ga.list |
| 18:11.00 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-gl.control |
| 18:11.02 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-gl.list |
| 18:11.04 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-he.control |
| 18:11.06 | nDiScReEt | /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-he.list" |
| 18:11.08 | nDiScReEt | ok, told ya |
| 18:11.08 | pooky | did you exec -o ipkg list? |
| 18:11.11 | AntiProxy | i said the "whole LINE" not the whole damned thing |
| 18:11.13 | pb_ | AntiProxy: lol |
| 18:11.26 | nDiScReEt | ok, heh |
| 18:11.27 | AntiProxy | besides.. that was ' ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale* -al ' |
| 18:11.28 | nDiScReEt | my bad |
| 18:11.30 | pooky | | grep gtk |
| 18:11.30 | AntiProxy | you missed the -al |
| 18:11.33 | pooky | hehe |
| 18:11.38 | AntiProxy | anyway |
| 18:11.43 | AntiProxy | i was just interested in the date |
| 18:11.56 | AntiProxy | so we can look for other control files around, that were installed around the same time |
| 18:12.00 | nDiScReEt | here we go : "/usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.control |
| 18:12.05 | AntiProxy | cuz your status file doesn't mention any dependencies |
| 18:12.13 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 18:12.22 | nDiScReEt | and "/usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.list" |
| 18:12.24 | AntiProxy | dude.. -al |
| 18:12.28 | AntiProxy | ls BKLAHLKFH -al |
| 18:12.30 | AntiProxy | see the -al ? |
| 18:12.53 | nDiScReEt | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 228 Dec 16 07:58 /usr/lib/ipkg/info/gtk-locale-da.control |
| 18:12.56 | AntiProxy | yay |
| 18:13.02 | nDiScReEt | ty |
| 18:13.04 | nDiScReEt | *blush |
| 18:13.05 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 18:13.15 | nDiScReEt | I did miss that -al part |
| 18:13.19 | AntiProxy | well.. ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.control |grep "Dec 16" |
| 18:13.29 | AntiProxy | don't miss a thing.. otherwise you'll get 100++ lines |
| 18:13.39 | AntiProxy | and btw.. don't paste anything here |
| 18:13.40 | AntiProxy | heh |
| 18:16.44 | pooky | hrm |
| 18:16.45 | pooky | that sucks |
| 18:16.51 | pooky | I wanted to show someone a screen shot |
| 18:16.53 | pooky | hehe |
| 18:16.55 | nDiScReEt | It prints nothing |
| 18:17.09 | nDiScReEt | You can by providing a link |
| 18:17.13 | nDiScReEt | I think |
| 18:17.26 | nDiScReEt | . o O (hmmm...) |
| 18:17.42 | AntiProxy | okay |
| 18:17.51 | AntiProxy | it was my turn to forget the -al this time |
| 18:17.52 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 18:17.55 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:17.57 | AntiProxy | well.. ls /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.control -al |grep "Dec 16" |
| 18:19.34 | nDiScReEt | I have too many lines shown. |
| 18:19.40 | nDiScReEt | I did an upgrade this day |
| 18:19.46 | AntiProxy | .\ |
| 18:20.04 | AntiProxy | i don't think we can really pinpoint the "offending" app |
| 18:20.51 | nDiScReEt | Right. It would be easiest for me to post my ouputs to a file and provide a url for you to view, right? |
| 18:21.10 | AntiProxy | that could be better.. |
| 18:21.12 | nDiScReEt | But then again, there is so many entries beyond the gtk-locales-xx |
| 18:21.21 | AntiProxy | just do it .) |
| 18:21.28 | nDiScReEt | I will make it so |
| 18:21.42 | AntiProxy | http://xda-developers.com/bootloader/ <-- interesting |
| 18:21.48 | AntiProxy | has any of you got an XDA ? |
| 18:24.20 | AntiProxy | http://xda-developers.com/photos/picKLE-cache/XDA-on-testgear_1024.jpg |
| 18:28.13 | nDiScReEt | http://66.92.129.215/ipaq/ls-al-grep-Dec16.txt |
| 18:28.35 | nDiScReEt | excuse the lack of a url name. I have to wait two more days |
| 18:32.12 | AntiProxy | (113) No route to host |
| 18:32.46 | nDiScReEt | . o O (hmm) brb |
| 18:34.02 | nDiScReEt | Quick test but what does this show?: http://66.92.129.215/ipaq/ |
| 18:35.33 | AntiProxy | your network is unreachable from my end |
| 18:35.50 | AntiProxy | so regardless the link.. i can't reach your host .\ |
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| 18:37.06 | nDiScReEt | darn, ISP |
| 18:37.29 | nDiScReEt | I can dcc it to you |
| 18:37.36 | nDiScReEt | or scp |
| 18:37.53 | sjohnson | jamey: You at the Media Lab? |
| 18:40.06 | mallum | hmmm, is anyone having truoble ipkg downloading from familiar.hh.org ? |
| 18:40.38 | nDiScReEt | Not earlier but I can try and test it now |
| 18:41.58 | mallum | it stalls for me about 20% through downloading new kernel :( |
| 18:45.07 | AntiProxy | mallum: kernel.org is flying fast for me today .) |
| 18:45.17 | AntiProxy | currently at 700KBps ++ |
| 18:45.23 | AntiProxy | 800 |
| 18:45.27 | mallum | AntiProxy: yeah, this isn't kernel.org though ... |
| 18:45.33 | AntiProxy | ah.. then ? |
| 18:45.43 | AntiProxy | 13:51:00 (788.11 KB/s) - `linux-2.4.20.tar.gz' saved [33963814/33963814 |
| 18:45.49 | mallum | familiar.handhelds.org |
| 18:45.56 | AntiProxy | i love wasting my bandwidth |
| 18:45.57 | AntiProxy | lol |
| 18:46.16 | AntiProxy | handhelds.org has always been fast too |
| 18:46.25 | AntiProxy | but i think the backbone is 18mbps or so |
| 18:47.35 | AntiProxy | mallum: if it's still not going, gimme the link, and i'll mirror it for you |
| 18:47.50 | nDiScReEt | no problem with handhelds.org for me |
| 18:48.36 | mallum | :( |
| 18:48.45 | AntiProxy | no luck ? |
| 18:48.49 | nDiScReEt | I'm working with 1.53 myself |
| 18:48.50 | mallum | maybe its my ISP's stupid transproxy :( |
| 18:48.52 | AntiProxy | gimme the link.. lemme see if it works here |
| 18:50.22 | mallum | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/kernel-2.4.18-rmk3_hh24_arm.ipk |
| 18:50.37 | AntiProxy | 14:00:57 (814.46 KB/s) - `kernel-2.4.18-rmk3_hh24_arm.ipk' saved [607988/607988] |
| 18:50.58 | AntiProxy | http://www.antiproxy.com/kernel-2.4.18-rmk3_hh24_arm.ipk |
| 18:51.28 | mallum | AntiProxy: cool thx |
| 18:51.43 | AntiProxy | going good ? |
| 18:52.20 | mallum | no, I think it may be the stupid wireless card :( |
| 18:52.43 | AntiProxy | hrm |
| 18:52.48 | AntiProxy | and it's not as big as i thought |
| 18:53.00 | sjohnson | mallum: ARe you using the orinoco dirvers? |
| 18:53.01 | AntiProxy | try using a proxy |
| 18:53.02 | mallum | Im upgrading debian on another machine with a const 120k per/sec |
| 18:53.16 | mallum | sjohnson: yeah probably its a dlink card ... |
| 18:53.24 | mallum | sjohnson: one sec .. |
| 18:53.27 | AntiProxy | 650 or 660 ? |
| 18:53.34 | mallum | sjohnson: yeah |
| 18:53.38 | mallum | AntiProxy: 650 |
| 18:53.54 | mallum | pure evil |
| 18:54.06 | sjohnson | mallum: Try using the wvlan drivers. I've always have problems with orinoco |
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| 18:54.25 | mallum | sjohnson: yeah let me stick an actula orinoco card in first ... |
| 18:55.28 | sjohnson | That reminds me I need to rechard my Z. |
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| 19:11.07 | niklas_ | pb_: (I've been away.) About that sound issue, I'll try again with esd, but I think it still happens with it. Anyway, I gotta go again. Bye |
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| 19:16.04 | sajd | Hi! Does the NetGear CF MA701 wireless network card work with linux on an ipaq? |
| 19:16.36 | sjohnson | sajd: It should. Do you know that chip set it is? |
| 19:16.43 | sjohnson | s/that/what/ |
| 19:18.36 | sajd | i have no idea.. i played with it 5 months ago but i wasn't able to get it to work.. |
| 19:18.55 | sjohnson | What does card ident print out with the card inserted? |
| 19:19.00 | sajd | i'm just about to restore my wince just to see if it still works at all |
| 19:19.21 | sajd | ok.. let me just boot up linux again.. |
| 19:19.21 | sjohnson | Opps. should 'cardctl ident' |
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| 19:20.18 | sajd | ~ # cardctl ident |
| 19:20.19 | sajd | Socket 0: |
| 19:20.19 | sajd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.19 | sajd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.19 | sajd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.05 | sjohnson | OK let me see |
| 19:21.32 | sajd | thanks! |
| 19:22.53 | sajd | is there a better (free) program than hyperterminal for use with serial communication? |
| 19:25.30 | sajd | i once was told that is should work with the prism2 driver but that gives me: |
| 19:25.43 | sajd | init_module: prism2_cs.o: 0.1.14 Loaded |
| 19:25.43 | sajd | init_module: dev_info is: prism2_cs |
| 19:25.43 | sajd | prism2_cs: GetNextTuple: No more items |
| 19:25.43 | sajd | prism2sta_config: NextTuple failure? It's probably a Vcc mismatch. |
| 19:25.43 | sajd | prism2sta_event: prism2_cs: Initialization failed! |
| 19:26.57 | sjohnson | Ah. Bad bios. |
| 19:27.11 | sjohnson | sajd: Add a line to /etc/modules.conf like this. |
| 19:27.39 | sjohnson | options orinoco_cs ignore_cis_vcc=1 |
| 19:27.49 | sjohnson | Restart pcmcia and try the card again. |
| 19:28.15 | sajd | i have that line already |
| 19:28.39 | sjohnson | OK. Then the only other advise is to use the wvlan_cs driver. |
| 19:30.05 | sjohnson | You need to change the card desc that has manif 0xd601, 0x0002 to bind 'wvlan_cs' and make sure that you have the wvlan_cs kernel ipkg loaded |
| 19:30.50 | sjohnson | sajd: That the wvlan-modules... ipkg file. |
| 19:32.36 | sajd | change the id list in the wvlan_cs source to include this card? |
| 19:33.58 | sajd | what is the latest kernel version familiar provides? i use 2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 19:37.36 | sjohnson | That's the latest one I know of StrongARM |
| 19:42.30 | NonToxic | ibot seen jamey? |
| 19:42.31 | | jamey <~jamey@dhcp-r6.crl.dec.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 3h 3m 56s ago, saying: 'includes your mmc patch'. |
| 19:43.08 | NonToxic | ibot botmail for jamey: hh24 is broken, now my iPAQ refuses to suspend, and input becomes extremely slow with the PiTech attached |
| 19:43.15 | NonToxic | excellent |
| 19:43.16 | NonToxic | ibot thx |
| 19:43.16 | | from memory, thx is ibot's welcome |
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| 19:47.52 | NonToxic | heya pb_ |
| 19:48.07 | NonToxic | are you involved with hh24? |
| 19:49.31 | pb_ | NonToxic: not really, I have been working mostly on the 2.4.19 kernel. |
| 19:49.36 | NonToxic | Ok. |
| 19:50.06 | NonToxic | Does that have fixes for the no power IDE CF bug/pitech bug? |
| 19:50.11 | NonToxic | hh24 is refusing to suspend for me |
| 19:50.52 | pb_ | There's no specific fix for that problem as far as I know. It might be worth trying out the newer one though just in case some other patch has improved matters. |
| 19:51.36 | NonToxic | which problem? |
| 19:53.31 | pb_ | the no power IDE CF one |
| 19:54.51 | NonToxic | ah |
| 19:54.58 | NonToxic | still better than the 'no suspend at all' bug |
| 19:55.02 | NonToxic | do the PiTechs work now? |
| 19:55.12 | pb_ | not sure |
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| 19:57.37 | sjohnson | Wow. Citrix is using the Florida Dept of Rev. because taxes having a chilling effect on free speech. |
| 19:57.42 | NonToxic | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:57.42 | NonToxic | http://www.uq.edu.au/education/extra/all.html |
| 19:57.50 | sjohnson | http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=745 |
| 19:58.56 | sjohnson | Snakes. Why does it ave to be snakes? |
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| 20:01.39 | pb_ | jamey: afternoon |
| 20:04.27 | sajd | can i use ymodem=1 when restoring wince? |
| 20:04.35 | pb_ | sajd: yes |
| 20:04.42 | sajd | thanks |
| 20:06.36 | NonToxic | jamey, hi |
| 20:06.44 | NonToxic | jamey, hh24 seems to be broken |
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| 20:23.16 | kencausey | ibot: What's news? |
| 20:23.17 | | kencausey: no idea |
| 20:23.25 | kencausey | ibot: That's OK, have a botsnack anyway. |
| 20:23.25 | | :) |
| 20:24.42 | mallum | jg__: check scap ;-) |
| 20:27.38 | Kero | hexatrolic? |
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| 20:30.23 | cdm | ibot: seen a7r |
| 20:30.24 | | a7r <a7r@206.72.82.135> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 6d 15h 24m 6s ago, saying: 'nelson: it's good.. it's actually not running on ARM though.'. |
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| 20:32.29 | pb_ | cdm: what's new? |
| 20:32.43 | nDiScReEt | hey pb |
| 20:32.47 | nDiScReEt | brb |
| 20:32.52 | mallum | Kero: new matchbox |
| 20:34.27 | Kero | mallum: :) |
| 20:34.58 | cdm | pb_: http://qnx.wox.org/killerAudio/ |
| 20:36.51 | pb_ | cdm: ah, neat. |
| 20:37.00 | NonToxic | cdm, can you dualboot qnx and linux? |
| 20:37.56 | cdm | NonToxic: sure. |
| 20:38.03 | cdm | not that I do. ;) |
| 20:38.06 | NonToxic | can qnx recide on the CF? |
| 20:38.09 | NonToxic | s/recide/reside/ |
| 20:40.22 | cdm | NonToxic: oh, you mean on the iPaq? |
| 20:40.31 | NonToxic | cdm yes. |
| 20:40.49 | cdm | NonToxic: I am not sure you can easily dual boot from flash. And I have not done up a nice package of stuff for a CF yet. |
| 20:40.51 | NonToxic | or do I need to boot Linux from the CF? |
| 20:41.09 | NonToxic | awww dilb |
| 20:42.28 | Dilb_sick | NonToxic: is op2 running now correctly ? |
| 20:42.44 | NonToxic | dilb it is. |
| 20:42.52 | NonToxic | hm |
| 20:42.53 | NonToxic | well |
| 20:42.57 | NonToxic | guess I'm gonna have to format my CF |
| 20:43.16 | NonToxic | (or can bootldr read ext[23]?) |
| 20:44.27 | pb_ | NonToxic: no ext2 support in bootldr at the moment |
| 20:44.41 | NonToxic | pb_, ok |
| 20:44.53 | NonTrombone | afk |
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| 20:50.19 | nelson | kencausey: hey there.... |
| 20:50.49 | kencausey | nelson: Hi, how's it going. Any news? |
| 20:50.58 | kencausey | s/going./going?/ |
| 20:51.52 | nelson | pooky: can't you get to http://handhelds.org/scap/ ? |
| 20:52.16 | nelson | kencausey: oh, just fussing about, trying to figure out what belongs in base and what in x. |
| 20:52.42 | nelson | kencausey: I'm thinking it should just be whatever's dependent upon xlibs, and anything starting with gpe- or gtk-. |
| 20:55.53 | kencausey | nelson: gpe gtk in x task? |
| 20:56.12 | kencausey | nelson: or gpe take = gpe* and gtk task = gtk*? |
| 20:56.17 | kencausey | s/take/task/ |
| 20:57.18 | kencausey | nelson: <different topic == gps> You don't happen to know source for garmin format? |
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| 21:15.36 | sajd | is bootldr 2.18.55 safe? |
| 21:15.57 | pb_ | seems to be, but I don't believe it is much different to 2.18.54. |
| 21:16.14 | sajd | i have 2.18.01 should i upgrade? |
| 21:17.05 | pb_ | newer bootldrs give you a faster startup time. on the other hand, some people seem to have suspend/resume problems with 2.18.54. |
| 21:18.04 | pb_ | if you flash an 0.6+ bootstrap image you will need to upgrade your bootldr otherwise the kernel won't load. |
| 21:18.22 | Kero | xkbd in familiar unstable crashes... |
| 21:18.39 | Kero | mallum, you around? |
| 21:18.56 | mallum | Kero: yes |
| 21:19.23 | Kero | I got xkbd segfaulting on startup... any idea? |
| 21:19.41 | sajd | ok, that's why it's not booting :) should i use .54 or .55 then? .55 is not even in the changelog |
| 21:20.21 | mallum | Kero: nope |
| 21:20.35 | mallum | Kero: works fine for me .. |
| 21:20.45 | Kero | # strace xkbd |
| 21:20.45 | Kero | execve("/usr/bin/xkbd", ["xkbd"], [/* 18 vars */]) = 0 |
| 21:20.45 | Kero | brk(0) = 0x18ccc |
| 21:20.45 | Kero | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) --- |
| 21:20.48 | Kero | erm... |
| 21:21.23 | pb_ | sajd: either should be fine |
| 21:22.04 | Kero | what was that... shared lib? |
| 21:22.50 | mallum | Kero: what version you running ? |
| 21:26.02 | Kero | Version: 0.8.8-1 |
| 21:27.35 | mallum | Kero: hmm, thats the latest ... |
| 21:28.14 | mallum | Kero: what if you run like xkbd -k /usr/share/xkbd/en_GB.qwerty.xkbd ? |
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| 21:30.47 | Kero | same, a segfault |
| 21:31.47 | mallum | Kero: you havn't edited /usr/share/xkbd/en_GB.qwerty.xkbd ? |
| 21:32.17 | Kero | # file /usr/bin/xkbd |
| 21:32.17 | Kero | /usr/bin/xkbd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 21:33.43 | Kero | # ldd /usr/bin/xkbd |
| 21:33.43 | Kero | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (139) |
| 21:34.06 | mallum | Kero: seems like your system is a little fuxored :( |
| 21:35.10 | Kero | indeed, reinstalling helps... |
| 21:35.31 | Kero | Sure looks like I need a fresh install :( |
| 21:35.45 | mallum | cool, phew ! |
| 21:36.39 | Kero | but since I tried busybox (and removed...), my iPAQ is not what it used to be :( |
| 21:37.37 | jamey | sjohnson: no, I was at MIT LCS -- tech square |
| 21:37.48 | jamey | hi pb |
| 21:37.55 | Kero | hello jamey |
| 21:38.01 | jamey | hi Kero |
| 21:38.08 | jamey | ibot: seen NonToxic? |
| 21:38.08 | | nontoxic <joshua@NonToxic.tunnels.ipng.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 53m 27s ago, saying: 'pb_, ok'. |
| 21:39.04 | jamey | what was the raw ipv6 address? was it a 6to4 address? |
| 21:39.15 | jamey | or just a 9to5 address :) |
| 21:40.00 | MonMotha | jamey: naw, I think it's in the 3ffe::/18 test range |
| 21:40.01 | MonMotha | er /8 |
| 21:41.37 | jamey | I need to get with the program |
| 22:11.23 | kerzZz | nighty night |
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| 22:43.46 | pooky | Hrm, I know I asked this earlier, but, I've forgotten, how does one get the microkeyboard working? |
| 22:43.57 | pooky | I installed the microkeybd package |
| 22:44.05 | pooky | but, I still get no input froom the keys... |
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| 22:57.21 | NonTrombone | MonMotha, I'm 2001: |
| 22:57.39 | NonToxic | jamey |
| 23:04.29 | jamey | hi NonToxic |
| 23:04.39 | jamey | I was going to tell you something, or ask or something |
| 23:04.41 | jamey | but I forgot |
| 23:04.58 | jamey | oh, hh24 |
| 23:05.00 | jamey | how is it broken? |
| 23:05.20 | jamey | nelson: is 0.6.1 released? let's release it before christmas |
| 23:05.32 | Hymie | yay! ;) |
| 23:05.42 | NonToxic | ah |
| 23:05.42 | NonToxic | yes |
| 23:05.44 | NonToxic | whooooooops |
| 23:05.46 | Hymie | heh |
| 23:05.51 | Hymie | he was out of here quicker'n'stink |
| 23:07.23 | NonToxic | ibot, botmail for jamey: the resume has been fixed as far as I can see. but that's not very far - I'm only seeing what people tell me, as it's not suspending. it'll Oops on suspend, and just keep chugging along. Also, with a 128mb CF inserted into slot 2 of my pitech, stylus gets laggy during games such as Bust'em (Eon Games). |
| 23:07.28 | NonToxic | ibot thanks |
| 23:07.28 | | NonToxic: no problem |
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