| 00:38:43 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 00:38:44 | WiseGuy58 | um |
| 00:38:50 | WiseGuy58 | i thought qtopia had more apps |
| 00:39:00 | spiralman | how did you install it? |
| 00:39:49 | spiralman | ipkg install task-opie isnt all the apps |
| 00:40:17 | spiralman | just the basic stuff you need to install more stuff |
| 00:41:30 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 00:41:46 | spiralman | but dont use the package installer, its unfortunately broken at the moment |
| 00:41:55 | spiralman | actually, it should work if you run it from the console |
| 00:42:02 | spiralman | but not if you run it from the GUI |
| 00:42:06 | WiseGuy58 | ? |
| 00:42:17 | WiseGuy58 | and how do i get it to stop being hell-bent on setting backlight to hi? |
| 00:42:27 | spiralman | install the light and power app |
| 00:42:48 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 00:43:23 | spiralman | opie-lightandpower |
| 00:43:39 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 00:44:01 | WiseGuy58 | and, pacman is complaining about themes |
| 00:44:03 | WiseGuy58 | :-P |
| 00:44:56 | spiralman | never installed kpackman |
| 00:45:36 | WiseGuy58 | hmm |
| 00:45:40 | WiseGuy58 | it came with task-opie |
| 00:45:41 | WiseGuy58 | :-P |
| 00:46:26 | WiseGuy58 | LOL |
| 00:46:28 | WiseGuy58 | i tap the screen |
| 00:46:33 | WiseGuy58 | set it to off |
| 00:46:34 | WiseGuy58 | it goes off |
| 00:46:37 | WiseGuy58 | tap the screen again |
| 00:46:39 | WiseGuy58 | comes back on |
| 00:46:40 | WiseGuy58 | lol |
| 00:46:59 | WiseGuy58 | oh |
| 00:47:01 | WiseGuy58 | i had to hit OK |
| 00:47:02 | WiseGuy58 | lol |
| 00:56:15 | WiseGuy58 | setting up kbd, ftp, etcetera |
| 00:59:55 | WiseGuy58 | is there a terminal for opie? |
| 01:00:11 | WiseGuy58 | ah |
| 01:00:14 | WiseGuy58 | embeddedkonsole |
| 01:05:27 | Russ|werk | is anyone using udhcp on familiar (curious if its working for people) |
| 01:20:42 | PVS5611 | anyone knows where to get the binaries for the ftp daemon |
| 01:21:29 | spiralman | try ipkgfind |
| 01:21:33 | | it has been said that ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ or at http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 01:21:33 | spiralman | ibot ipkgfind |
| 01:43:32 | pgampe | anyone got opinions on ipaq vs zaurus? I'm in the market for a new pda |
| 01:45:33 | spiralman | zaurus is very cool |
| 01:45:43 | spiralman | but so is the new 38xx ipaq |
| 01:45:48 | flypiper | ipaq has most options |
| 01:45:59 | flypiper | hardware options that is |
| 01:46:36 | pgampe | bluetooth support is priority for me, as i need accesss from remote |
| 01:46:55 | pgampe | mailing lists suggest 3870 is working with bluetooth/gprs phones |
| 01:50:33 | spiralman | i guess if you have a compatible phone... |
| 01:59:10 | pgampe | that's a point. any idea on how i can check ? |
| 02:05:43 | spiralman | no idea |
| 02:06:24 | pgampe | found something positive on the bluez-users mailing list |
| 02:08:31 | DaveH | is there a channel for the GPE project by any chance ? |
| 02:08:38 | spiralman | i dont think so... |
| 02:08:42 | spiralman | but i dont know for sure |
| 02:09:15 | DaveH | would you know who the people to talk to are concerning gpe ? |
| 02:11:32 | spiralman | nope, i dont use it... |
| 02:11:38 | DaveH | ok thanks |
| 02:12:20 | WiseGuy58 | hey |
| 02:12:26 | WiseGuy58 | i have a "feature" question about opie |
| 02:12:59 | WiseGuy58 | is it supposed to repeat if i hit "shift" "k", it keeps hitting K - is it supposed to do that? |
| 02:16:33 | spiralman | not sure whats wrong? |
| 02:16:46 | WiseGuy58 | got OPIE handy, with opie-keyboard installed? |
| 02:16:50 | spiralman | yes |
| 02:17:01 | WiseGuy58 | launch any app |
| 02:17:07 | WiseGuy58 | hit "shift" |
| 02:17:10 | WiseGuy58 | then hit any letter |
| 02:17:13 | WiseGuy58 | don't do anything else |
| 02:17:18 | WiseGuy58 | the letter appears "stuck" and repeats |
| 02:17:19 | spiralman | ok |
| 02:17:22 | WiseGuy58 | does that happen for you? |
| 02:17:24 | spiralman | no... |
| 02:17:30 | spiralman | which version of familiar do you have? |
| 02:17:34 | WiseGuy58 | 0.4.1 |
| 02:17:37 | WiseGuy58 | err |
| 02:17:38 | WiseGuy58 | 5.1 |
| 02:17:40 | spiralman | ok |
| 02:17:49 | spiralman | upgrade to 0.5.2 |
| 02:17:52 | spiralman | its a kernel bug |
| 02:17:57 | spiralman | its gone in 0.5.2 |
| 02:18:17 | spiralman | or you could just upgrade to the latest kernel, i suppose |
| 02:18:37 | WiseGuy58 | hmm |
| 02:18:52 | WiseGuy58 | can i do that from oipkg? |
| 02:19:00 | pigeon | spiralman: What bug in particular, do you know? |
| 02:19:02 | spiralman | not easily |
| 02:19:09 | spiralman | pigeon: the sticky key bug |
| 02:19:23 | spiralman | itll be easies to just run ipkg upgrade from the console |
| 02:19:26 | pigeon | Oh... |
| 02:19:27 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 02:19:29 | WiseGuy58 | lemme login |
| 02:19:57 | WiseGuy58 | k |
| 02:20:00 | WiseGuy58 | tell me what to do |
| 02:20:37 | spiralman | what feed does ipkg.conf point to for familiar? |
| 02:20:57 | WiseGuy58 | hold onm |
| 02:21:00 | WiseGuy58 | lemme find out |
| 02:21:03 | spiralman | k |
| 02:21:22 | WiseGuy58 | gah |
| 02:21:29 | WiseGuy58 | stupid text editor thinks it's smarter than I am |
| 02:21:38 | spiralman | now, this **may** not work, you can always just reflash... |
| 02:21:45 | WiseGuy58 | it won't let me decide for myself what file i need! |
| 02:21:49 | WiseGuy58 | well |
| 02:21:51 | spiralman | its not a text editor bug, its a ofiledialog bug... |
| 02:21:52 | WiseGuy58 | that's reassuring :-P |
| 02:22:02 | WiseGuy58 | heh |
| 02:22:08 | WiseGuy58 | so when's it gonna be fixed? |
| 02:22:11 | spiralman | open the file viewer, and click and hold on the file you want to open |
| 02:22:14 | WiseGuy58 | it makes it hard in Opie Player too |
| 02:22:15 | spiralman | i dont know |
| 02:22:24 | WiseGuy58 | hold on |
| 02:22:27 | WiseGuy58 | in any event |
| 02:22:32 | WiseGuy58 | looking from terminal |
| 02:22:51 | WiseGuy58 | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/packages/armv4 |
| 02:22:53 | WiseGuy58 | l |
| 02:22:56 | spiralman | ok |
| 02:23:03 | spiralman | change the v0.5.1 to v0.5.2 |
| 02:23:08 | spiralman | then run ipkg update |
| 02:23:11 | spiralman | then ipkg upgrade |
| 02:23:20 | WiseGuy58 | easier said than done |
| 02:23:20 | spiralman | and wait... itll take a while |
| 02:23:24 | spiralman | well, yeah |
| 02:23:25 | WiseGuy58 | what editors do I have? |
| 02:23:42 | spiralman | in file manager, click and hold on the filename |
| 02:23:49 | spiralman | and then select "view as text" |
| 02:23:57 | spiralman | and it will open properly in the text editor |
| 02:24:18 | WiseGuy58 | thx |
| 02:24:22 | WiseGuy58 | changing... |
| 02:24:34 | WiseGuy58 | should I also change the "src 0.5.1?" |
| 02:24:40 | spiralman | if you want |
| 02:24:43 | spiralman | it doesnt actually matter |
| 02:24:50 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 02:25:04 | spiralman | i think i just changed mine to "src familiar" |
| 02:25:22 | WiseGuy58 | updating |
| 02:25:34 | WiseGuy58 | and upgrading |
| 02:25:45 | spiralman | now, this may not work if you dont have enough space... |
| 02:25:46 | WiseGuy58 | gah |
| 02:25:51 | spiralman | and youll just have to reflash... |
| 02:25:54 | WiseGuy58 | stupid thing went and downloaded a new ipkg.conf :-P |
| 02:25:58 | WiseGuy58 | WHAT DO YOU MEAN REFLASH??!!! |
| 02:25:59 | WiseGuy58 | :-D |
| 02:26:02 | spiralman | hehe |
| 02:26:05 | spiralman | its really not that big a deal |
| 02:26:10 | WiseGuy58 | it takes time |
| 02:26:23 | spiralman | actually, running ipkg upgrade will probably take longer... |
| 02:26:25 | WiseGuy58 | and this thing's gotta be ready for tomorrow, me horizontal in 1/2 hour |
| 02:26:40 | WiseGuy58 | hits ctrl-c and decides to deal with it tomorrow |
| 02:26:44 | spiralman | hehe : ) |
| 02:26:55 | spiralman | i find reflashing is easier myself... |
| 02:27:16 | spiralman | there is a much lower chance of breaking stuff |
| 02:28:20 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 02:28:24 | WiseGuy58 | away |
| 02:28:32 | spiralman | later |
| 03:11:21 | cruiserman | anyone dualbooting? |
| 03:17:20 | flypiper | sure |
| 03:18:12 | cruiserman | flypiper: which bootldr do i use, latest unstable? |
| 03:18:28 | WiseGuy58 | anyone here know if there's an irrecord prebuilt for iPAQ? |
| 03:28:22 | spiralman | WiseGuy58: yes, there is |
| 03:28:29 | spiralman | WiseGuy58: ive got an ipkg if you want it... |
| 03:29:20 | spiralman | WiseGuy58: i got it off the geekserve feed, but im not sure its there anymore ipaq.geekserve.org |
| 03:29:50 | spiralman | there is also lirc-tools in familiar unstable, but thats for a different version of lirc than the one thats in familiar stable |
| 03:36:33 | WiseGuy58 | erp |
| 03:36:41 | WiseGuy58 | just downloaded it from the link pointed to in the wiki |
| 03:36:45 | WiseGuy58 | (off of a skiff) |
| 03:36:48 | spiralman | ahh, ok |
| 03:40:10 | BrianR | hey folks. |
| 03:40:19 | spiralman | hey |
| 03:40:55 | BrianR | any interesting developments lately? |
| 03:41:06 | spiralman | since when? |
| 03:41:13 | BrianR | I dunno. Past month or so :) |
| 03:41:18 | BrianR | I haven't been paying enough attention |
| 03:41:25 | BrianR | crazy lightning outside here |
| 03:41:26 | spiralman | ahh |
| 03:41:40 | spiralman | opie is approaching an initial release (0.9) |
| 03:42:26 | spiralman | so there has been a lot of development there... |
| 03:42:31 | spiralman | dont know about X stuff |
| 03:54:21 | nelson | Is anybody doing war-driving with their iPAQ? |
| 03:54:41 | raduga | no, but I war-walk with my jornada |
| 03:54:52 | nelson | running wince? |
| 03:55:00 | raduga | ugh! |
| 03:55:00 | BrianR | heh. how is that little jornada anyway? |
| 03:55:06 | BrianR | the keyboard and larger screen are appealing.. |
| 03:55:09 | raduga | why would i do something nasty like that, nelson? |
| 03:55:30 | BrianR | I've been meaning to set up my public wap again... |
| 03:55:32 | nelson | no idea. So what software are you using? |
| 03:55:34 | BrianR | been lazy.. |
| 03:55:41 | raduga | brianr: niftee. only not-so-little i'm afear't :( |
| 03:55:57 | raduga | familiar 0.51 at the moment |
| 03:56:32 | BrianR | raduga: err? |
| 03:56:51 | nelson | raduga: no, I mean for war-walking? |
| 03:57:00 | raduga | its big and ugly enough that I *do* have to worry just a little, about carrying it around in my pocket |
| 03:57:20 | raduga | nelson: nothing really special. I haven't taken it out very seriously, |
| 03:57:32 | raduga | i bring down the interface and back up again, and see what I can catch |
| 03:58:08 | raduga | what wardrive/walk software do you use out there? |
| 03:58:25 | BrianR | does anyone have the jornada 820 working? |
| 03:58:28 | nelson | supposedly kismet runs, but it needs an extra library. |
| 03:59:15 | BrianR | i got kismet working on the ipaq under intimate... |
| 03:59:18 | raduga | brianr: some posts to the mailing list. I don't think its very much there though. |
| 03:59:58 | raduga | trouble is, most of the hardware has no open documentation, and the few HP people working on the port don't have access to any 820s |
| 04:00:22 | BrianR | the 728 seems nice... both a cf and a pcmcia slut.. |
| 04:00:34 | nelson | BrianR: and you've got that library.... |
| 04:00:37 | raduga | the people with 820s don't have access to the info; the people with access to the info, don't have 820s |
| 04:00:43 | raduga | brianr: yes |
| 04:01:10 | raduga | i'm using 512mb in the CF, and putting external devices in the PC slot |
| 04:01:34 | BrianR | I have a udrive, so that little journada would kick all ass.. |
| 04:01:42 | BrianR | the 820 is not on their web site for some reason.. |
| 04:01:57 | raduga | yep. unfortunately, the udrive is CF type 2, and doesn't fit very well |
| 04:02:07 | raduga | brianr: mostly because its old |
| 04:02:09 | BrianR | oh wow. the 820 is kinda large... |
| 04:02:25 | raduga | the 820 is really a subnotebook |
| 04:02:40 | BrianR | does the 72x series work well? |
| 04:02:43 | raduga | i dont know ANYONE with pockets that big |
| 04:03:04 | BrianR | work is giving me $1000 to buy a pda / gadget.. |
| 04:03:08 | raduga | brianr: the keyboard is really nice. the screen is decent enough indoors, but almost unuseable outdoors |
| 04:03:18 | raduga | not nearly as good as ipaq |
| 04:03:34 | raduga | the linux port is mostly complete- |
| 04:03:37 | WiseGuy58 | graaarrrhhhh |
| 04:03:41 | WiseGuy58 | stupid thing |
| 04:03:54 | raduga | audio out, X, kb and pcmcia work pretty well |
| 04:03:56 | BrianR | For linux support, most of the work on the 720 is done (including |
| 04:03:56 | BrianR | power management!!) and I will be putting it into the handhelds.org |
| 04:03:56 | BrianR | CVS tree early next week. I have made quite a bit of progress |
| 04:03:56 | BrianR | on Linux for the 56x series (in particular, the 568) this week and |
| 04:03:56 | BrianR | hope to have it working at the same level and in handhelds.org CVS |
| 04:03:57 | BrianR | in a couple of weeks. |
| 04:03:58 | BrianR | ooh. . |
| 04:04:03 | BrianR | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/jornada/2002-May/000112.html |
| 04:04:07 | raduga | brianr: hasn't happened yet |
| 04:04:10 | raduga | we're still waiting. |
| 04:04:42 | raduga | what's currently missing are: audio in, power management, and the digitizer is pretty wonky |
| 04:05:05 | WiseGuy58 | anyone have experience with getting irrecord to go on the ipaq? |
| 04:05:15 | raduga | I'm also seeing frequent lockups with audio playback, but others haven't seen them |
| 04:05:23 | raduga | (could be my kernel) |
| 04:05:46 | BrianR | what cpu does the 720 use anyway? |
| 04:05:53 | raduga | SA-1110 |
| 04:05:56 | raduga | at 200mhz |
| 04:06:00 | raduga | (same as ipaq) |
| 04:06:47 | BrianR | when ordering a 72x, how does one tell if the unit will have roms or flash? |
| 04:07:14 | raduga | brian: if it came from HP, and is not a demo/dev/test model, then its rom :( |
| 04:07:32 | raduga | for awhile jca was giving people free upgrades though |
| 04:07:45 | raduga | i don't think he has any more flash chips left. |
| 04:08:02 | raduga | the *latest* 72x may have flash though, instead of roms |
| 04:08:07 | raduga | I don't know this for sure. |
| 04:08:11 | raduga | the 728 i think they are. |
| 04:09:58 | BrianR | it's about $600 |
| 04:11:10 | raduga | $600 is pretty good! |
| 04:11:22 | raduga | they were $1000 or so when I got mine |
| 04:11:30 | raduga | (off eBay for ~500) |
| 04:14:00 | BrianR | how is size? |
| 04:14:59 | BrianR | i like the host usb connector ;) |
| 04:16:37 | BrianR | Is the CF slot type I only? |
| 04:16:41 | nelson | This is very annoying: the prism2 in my Linksys WPC11 works with wvlan driver, but my D-Link DCF-650W doesn't. |
| 04:17:03 | spiralman | hrm, did you try the orinoco_cs driver? |
| 04:17:17 | nelson | spiralman: it works (with cis_vcc hack) |
| 04:17:32 | spiralman | the dlink does? |
| 04:17:49 | nelson | spiralman: the DCF-650W is sending packets, but not receiving them. I can see my bootp server responding. |
| 04:17:55 | raduga | cf is type 1, but some people have modified their CF slot to make it into a type 2 |
| 04:18:03 | raduga | (only diff between 1 and 2 is size) |
| 04:18:21 | spiralman | i think they are the same size |
| 04:18:27 | spiralman | but type 2 allows for more power |
| 04:18:28 | raduga | you can also use your cf-II cards with a pcmcia adaptor in the PC slot |
| 04:18:44 | nelson | raduga: the card fits just fine. It's a driver problem. |
| 04:18:44 | raduga | spiral: cf-2 is a bit larger. It may also draw more power. |
| 04:18:48 | BrianR | raduga: aah. Is it just a matter of filing down the slot or something :) |
| 04:18:50 | spiralman | and the cf sleeve for the ipaq is a type 2 slot... |
| 04:19:10 | raduga | nelson: why then, did boodle dremel his J720 open then?? |
| 04:19:20 | nelson | raduga: no idea. |
| 04:19:39 | raduga | nelson: alright. |
| 04:19:53 | BrianR | no 728's on eBay yet... |
| 04:20:01 | BrianR | I wonder if the 728 is gonna get the axe or not.. |
| 04:20:11 | spiralman | i think all the jordanas are... |
| 04:20:14 | raduga | fwiw, the dremelized jornada+udrive work just fine he says |
| 04:20:47 | raduga | i'm not sure if it was jamey or jca who suggested it, |
| 04:21:02 | raduga | but the j7xx may stick around a bit logner than the 5xx series |
| 04:21:10 | raduga | if only because its a unique device. |
| 04:21:14 | spiralman | the problem w/ the udrive may just be that it requires an ejection mechanism... |
| 04:21:24 | raduga | spiral: could be |
| 04:21:26 | DaveH | has anyone got a office suite working on familiar ? |
| 04:21:29 | spiralman | not the actual size of it |
| 04:21:40 | spiralman | DaveH: there is hancom mobile office... |
| 04:21:53 | BrianR | yeah.. My udrive has no eject tab on it... |
| 04:21:53 | spiralman | DaveH: but they wont give it to people using opie on familiar... |
| 04:22:04 | spiralman | DaveH: just people w/ a Zaurus |
| 04:22:08 | BrianR | although I suppose you could just put a bit of tape on it if you plan to use it in a slot with no ejector |
| 04:22:10 | raduga | spiral: will they sell it? |
| 04:22:19 | DaveH | I looked at that could only find details on there site to download with a zurus SN# is it open source ? |
| 04:22:35 | spiralman | raduga: they looked like they were going to, but now it looks like they arent going to |
| 04:22:46 | spiralman | yeah, its closed source |
| 04:22:51 | BrianR | DaveH: I ran koffice on intimate,,, |
| 04:22:54 | spiralman | they used to have a 30 day trial |
| 04:22:57 | raduga | heh. anyone got a warezed zaurus SSN i could 'borrow' ;) |
| 04:23:00 | BrianR | it kinda sucked on the small screen :( |
| 04:23:21 | spiralman | but the 30 day trial is gone now : ( |
| 04:23:30 | DaveH | also im using X .. CCOffice claims to be open source but i cant find anything on there site as to the actule licence or how to download it .. |
| 04:23:48 | BrianR | aparently the 728 has _32MB_ of flash rom |
| 04:24:00 | DaveH | BrianR: Intimate is a bit largew for my machine |
| 04:24:03 | raduga | FLASH rom? are you sure?? |
| 04:24:20 | BrianR | raduga: so says a few review sites anyway... |
| 04:24:21 | raduga | the 710 and 720 shipped with 32mb masked (non flash) roms |
| 04:24:27 | raduga | the sites may be confused. |
| 04:24:31 | raduga | ask jamey. |
| 04:24:35 | BrianR | Not sure if anyone's actualy reflashed it yet or not tho.. |
| 04:24:48 | raduga | brianr: if its flash, its reflashable |
| 04:25:00 | raduga | but there's no upgrade for wince... so the demand may be small |
| 04:25:17 | BrianR | raduga: well... this assumes the unit has the required logic to in-circuit program flash too :) |
| 04:25:46 | raduga | brianr: well. the 710 and 720 can reflash themselves. |
| 04:25:49 | raduga | I'm living proof :) |
| 04:25:51 | BrianR | Actually though -f olks have replaced the mask roms with flash and successfully reflashed, right? |
| 04:25:59 | raduga | and the 728 is almost exactly the same unit |
| 04:26:04 | raduga | brianr: yes. |
| 04:26:18 | raduga | jca has been trading in masked for flash roms, at HP labs |
| 04:26:27 | raduga | but i think he's run out of flash boards. |
| 04:26:53 | raduga | jamey might know if there are any left. jca would know for sure. |
| 04:27:09 | raduga | jca is squirrely, and difficult to contact |
| 04:28:17 | BrianR | is the internal modem a real modem or winmodem? |
| 04:28:49 | BrianR | does your unit have 16 or 32mb of flash? |
| 04:29:22 | raduga | real. |
| 04:29:25 | raduga | 32mb flash |
| 04:29:32 | raduga | and 32mb ram |
| 04:29:33 | BrianR | wow. this is like the perfect handheld... |
| 04:29:41 | raduga | do you have an ipaq? |
| 04:29:53 | BrianR | raduga: I have a 3670 with the dual sleeve |
| 04:29:56 | raduga | the screen is non-reflective and not-so-good as the ipaq's |
| 04:29:59 | BrianR | I have two main gripes - it's massive with the sleeve |
| 04:30:03 | raduga | but its decent enough indoors |
| 04:30:09 | BrianR | and it doesn't have a keyboard |
| 04:30:14 | BrianR | I have a fold out keyboard, but it sucks. |
| 04:30:19 | raduga | yeah, I'm just warning you :) |
| 04:30:25 | BrianR | I have a clip on keyboard, which sucks less, but makes the unit even bigger. |
| 04:30:35 | raduga | the jornada is big too |
| 04:30:39 | raduga | but its all in one piece |
| 04:31:10 | raduga | my major gripe with it, is all the space taken up by lame windows keys :( |
| 04:31:18 | raduga | er. major keyboard gripe |
| 04:31:41 | raduga | if you took out the windows keys, the regular qwerty layout could have been just a *little* bigger |
| 04:31:48 | raduga | and every bit helps |
| 04:32:17 | raduga | they are just a bit too small for comfort. |
| 04:32:22 | raduga | big enough to touch-type though |
| 04:32:27 | BrianR | raduga: well. I want a real pcmcia slot. And I want more than one slot so I can use both wireless and my udrive |
| 04:32:36 | BrianR | and I want 32mb of ram. |
| 04:32:41 | raduga | the kb is definitely useable |
| 04:32:50 | BrianR | with the ipaq 3800 and my dual sleeve I get everything but a keyboard |
| 04:33:07 | BrianR | the zaurus gets me a keyboard, but not enough flash |
| 04:33:12 | raduga | i'd just like to have had the extra 0.05 mm per key the windows keys are stealing |
| 04:33:20 | BrianR | and I'm short a slot, since the mmc/sd slot is mostly useless. |
| 04:33:23 | raduga | er. 0.5 mm or somtehing |
| 04:33:28 | spiralman | the zaurus has the same amount of flash as the ipaq... |
| 04:33:35 | spiralman | and its a builtin cf, not just mmc/sd |
| 04:33:40 | raduga | zaurus kb is also sillily tiny |
| 04:33:49 | BrianR | spiralman: the zaurus has 16mb of flash, doesn't it? The 3800 has 32. |
| 04:34:02 | spiralman | BrianR: no, it has 32mb, im almost certain |
| 04:34:11 | raduga | i think the *current* zaurus are 32mb |
| 04:34:16 | BrianR | A few coworkers have zaurus with 16mb.. |
| 04:34:22 | spiralman | the devel ones might have less |
| 04:34:29 | raduga | spiral: yep |
| 04:34:41 | spiralman | the 5000 is the devel model, the 5500 (what you can buy in the stores) has 32 |
| 04:34:59 | BrianR | http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,698,00.html claims 64mb ram, 16mb flash |
| 04:35:36 | spiralman | well, the flash is also locked |
| 04:35:39 | spiralman | so you dont use it as storage |
| 04:35:53 | BrianR | spiralman: yeah, cf is good. But if I put my udrive there, that leaves me without a slot for 802.11, cdpd, 1xrtt, or gprs :) |
| 04:36:10 | spiralman | BrianR: i think there are 802.11 sd cards |
| 04:36:21 | spiralman | BrianR: i believe somebody mentioned them once, could be wrong though... |
| 04:36:32 | BrianR | spiralman: does the zaurus have working sdio on the SD slot? |
| 04:36:39 | BrianR | spiralman: I know there's SD bluetooth cards. |
| 04:36:41 | BrianR | anyway. |
| 04:36:41 | spiralman | BrianR: sdio? |
| 04:36:43 | BrianR | sleep time |
| 04:36:52 | BrianR | spiralman: secure digital i/o. for non-memory sd/mmc cards. |
| 04:37:03 | spiralman | hmm, i dont know... |
| 04:38:04 | raduga | what if i want insecure digital i/o? |
| 04:38:21 | spiralman | thats what mmc is, although its also slower |
| 04:38:42 | spiralman | that sharp page said there was no copy protection w/ sd media... |
| 04:39:05 | raduga | spiralman: somehow I doubt |
| 04:39:46 | spiralman | doubt what? |
| 04:40:03 | raduga | that there is no copy protection with sd media |
| 04:40:15 | spiralman | its very possible... |
| 04:40:23 | spiralman | and they arent really allowed to lie about it |
| 04:40:31 | pgampe | i think sharp are coming out with CF bluetooth cards |
| 04:40:52 | spiralman | there must already be bluetooth cf cards, right? |
| 04:41:27 | pgampe | from brainboxes.com i've read on the mailing lists |
| 04:41:57 | spiralman | socket makes a bluetooth cf card... |
| 04:42:44 | pgampe | anyone got bluetooth working on ipaq or zaurus? |
| 04:43:05 | spiralman | the builtin bluetooth works in the 38xx's that have it... |
| 04:44:35 | pgampe | ah ok |
| 04:45:01 | spiralman | i dont know if the bluetooth/cf sleeve works... |
| 04:46:59 | nelson | Shit. The Micro Innovations keyboard isn't working with lirc. |
| 04:47:23 | macova | hey, the usb link for somereason dosnt work or smth like i cant ping anywhere, did anyone had similar problems? |
| 04:47:52 | spiralman | evilcat: what os are you using on your desktop? |
| 04:47:59 | evilcat | linux 2.4.17 |
| 04:48:02 | spiralman | hrm |
| 04:48:08 | spiralman | 2.4.17 should work fine |
| 04:48:15 | evilcat | i tried .18 |
| 04:48:18 | spiralman | perhaps you arent setting it up correctly |
| 04:48:21 | spiralman | .18 wont work |
| 04:48:21 | nelson | BrianR: I was hoping that the Micro Innovations keyboard would work with the Linux IR interface, but it seems not to. |
| 04:48:22 | spiralman | dont sue it |
| 04:48:25 | evilcat | but then i heard that the now one wonk work |
| 04:48:30 | spiralman | s/sue/use/ |
| 04:48:37 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:48:53 | spiralman | was it working before with it set up the way you have it now? |
| 04:48:56 | evilcat | damnit, like i dunno why but i guess i set all the interfaces right |
| 04:49:06 | spiralman | the order you do things in is very very important |
| 04:49:55 | evilcat | great now my pppd stoped working ;> |
| 04:53:10 | spiralman | dont know about the ppp, but as far as usb, you are probably doing something just a little differently than you were before... |
| 04:53:20 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:53:29 | evilcat | it wasnt working from the begining |
| 04:53:38 | evilcat | all the modules work fine |
| 04:53:41 | evilcat | they load |
| 04:53:47 | evilcat | but i just cant ping |
| 04:53:54 | spiralman | what order are you doing things in? |
| 04:54:23 | spiralman | with the ipaq not connected, you should load uhci and usbnet on the desktop, and usb-eth on the ipaq, and run ifconfig and route on the ipaq |
| 04:54:32 | spiralman | then you connect the ipaq to the usb cable/cradle |
| 04:54:40 | spiralman | and then you run ifconfig and route on the desktop |
| 04:54:57 | evilcat | yea |
| 04:55:00 | evilcat | thats what i did |
| 04:55:17 | evilcat | i loaded the module on my ipaq |
| 04:55:27 | evilcat | pluged it in the cradle |
| 04:55:31 | spiralman | each time you start over, you have to completely remove all the usb modules on the desktop and the ipaq |
| 04:55:48 | evilcat | ifconfig usbf 1.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 04:56:00 | spiralman | no, thats what i was saying not to do |
| 04:56:00 | evilcat | route add default gw 1.1.1.2 |
| 04:56:04 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:56:07 | evilcat | ok :) |
| 04:56:12 | evilcat | then i should |
| 04:56:14 | spiralman | you run ifconfig on the ipaq **before** you plug it into the cradle |
| 04:56:15 | evilcat | load the module |
| 04:56:18 | evilcat | afterwards? |
| 04:56:23 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:56:24 | spiralman | ack, no |
| 04:56:32 | evilcat | i dont get it [; |
| 04:56:33 | evilcat | like |
| 04:56:37 | spiralman | load the module and run ifconfig, **then** plug it in |
| 04:56:39 | evilcat | why does it matter? |
| 04:56:42 | evilcat | ok |
| 04:56:43 | evilcat | cool |
| 04:56:48 | evilcat | ill try that |
| 04:57:10 | spiralman | because if the module is loaded, and you plug it in, it tries to get an ip addres automatically, and it wont get the right one... |
| 04:57:28 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:57:40 | spiralman | but if youve already given it an ip address, then it wont try to get a new one |
| 04:57:51 | evilcat | i tried reconfiguring it |
| 04:57:55 | spiralman | however, on the desktop, you call ifconfig usb0 **after** you plug it in... |
| 04:57:57 | evilcat | ifconfig usbf down |
| 04:57:58 | evilcat | ... |
| 04:58:18 | evilcat | ok |
| 04:58:23 | evilcat | should the interface on my computer |
| 04:58:33 | evilcat | be configured before i plug the ipaq too? |
| 04:58:47 | spiralman | no, thats what i just said, you do that **after** you plug it in |
| 04:58:58 | evilcat | and how do i set the delay in the boot> prompt |
| 04:58:59 | spiralman | the usb0 interface wont even exist untill you plug it in, actually |
| 04:59:03 | evilcat | so it would boot after 5s? |
| 04:59:14 | evilcat | ok |
| 04:59:15 | spiralman | i dont know, why are you rebooting so much? |
| 04:59:17 | evilcat | yeah |
| 04:59:22 | spiralman | are you rebooting each time? |
| 04:59:22 | evilcat | hmm |
| 04:59:26 | evilcat | sometimes it reboots |
| 04:59:29 | evilcat | like |
| 04:59:32 | evilcat | i need to reboot |
| 04:59:34 | evilcat | or smth |
| 04:59:44 | evilcat | and then if im away from the computer |
| 04:59:48 | spiralman | thats what rmmod and insmod are for |
| 04:59:56 | spiralman | ohh, its suspending, i think |
| 05:00:02 | evilcat | no |
| 05:00:05 | spiralman | just hit the little power button in the top right... |
| 05:00:09 | evilcat | ;> |
| 05:00:12 | evilcat | im not that dumb :) |
| 05:00:22 | spiralman | ok... |
| 05:00:23 | evilcat | sometimes i reboot it or smth |
| 05:00:35 | spiralman | well, why are you rebooting it? |
| 05:00:38 | evilcat | and i dont want to connect it to my pc every single time |
| 05:01:01 | evilcat | spiralman: well for example my battery discharges... |
| 05:01:26 | spiralman | ok |
| 05:01:27 | noriko | im not an expert on networking. i have 192.168 being used on 3 interfaces, im using diff subnets (192.168.x.0), but im wondering if i have to |
| 05:02:02 | spiralman | noriko: no, you can use the same ip for each interface, but youll get some interesting (and sometimes usefull) behaviour |
| 05:02:25 | noriko | ip or subnet? |
| 05:02:32 | spiralman | noriko: for instance, my desktop has eth0 and usb0 both w/ the same ip address, and it automatically functions as a router... |
| 05:02:35 | spiralman | noriko: well, both |
| 05:02:52 | spiralman | noriko: but if they are on the same subnet, but with different ips, you should have normal behaviour |
| 05:03:03 | noriko | so you can forward with forwarding set to 1? and no iptables? |
| 05:03:12 | spiralman | noriko: but im not exactly a network expert either, so i may be wrong |
| 05:03:24 | spiralman | noriko: yes, but i also have to set proxy_arp to 1 as well |
| 05:03:49 | noriko | hmm |
| 05:03:50 | evilcat | [root@laptop]~> ping 1.1.1.1 |
| 05:03:50 | evilcat | PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1): 56 octets data |
| 05:03:54 | evilcat | it doesnt work |
| 05:04:05 | noriko | 1.1.1.1 isn't routable ida think |
| 05:04:14 | noriko | its an illegal address |
| 05:04:19 | evilcat | its legal |
| 05:04:19 | spiralman | yeah, use a reserved address |
| 05:04:23 | spiralman | like 192.168.something |
| 05:04:30 | evilcat | if i use it on just my |
| 05:04:32 | evilcat | network |
| 05:04:33 | evilcat | ok |
| 05:04:39 | evilcat | ill change it and it will do the same thing |
| 05:04:52 | spiralman | youll have a problem because somebody actually owns 1.1.1.1 |
| 05:04:53 | noriko | try using 255.255.255.255, or 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:05:01 | evilcat | y |
| 05:05:07 | evilcat | if you have a newtmask |
| 05:05:09 | spiralman | noriko: no, thats bad |
| 05:05:11 | noriko | cause they dont work |
| 05:05:15 | evilcat | with 32 bits ereserved |
| 05:05:24 | evilcat | then you can only have one ip |
| 05:05:24 | noriko | i didn't know 1.1.1.1 is a real ip |
| 05:05:26 | evilcat | address |
| 05:05:44 | evilcat | and 0.0.0.0 your changing the destination for the whole internet |
| 05:05:51 | spiralman | im pretty sure 1.1.1.1 is a valid ip address |
| 05:05:56 | evilcat | yeah |
| 05:06:02 | spiralman | just use a 192.168 ip |
| 05:06:02 | evilcat | it is.. |
| 05:06:08 | spiralman | its the safest way... |
| 05:06:09 | evilcat | thats what ill do |
| 05:06:14 | noriko | who would own it? |
| 05:06:30 | spiralman | evilcat: unless you have a whole shitload of computers and need more addresses |
| 05:06:40 | spiralman | noriko: probably one of the original darpa servers... |
| 05:06:49 | noriko | it looks down |
| 05:07:10 | noriko | no hostlookup, no ping |
| 05:07:28 | spiralman | hois 1.1.1.1 |
| 05:07:28 | spiralman | IANA (RESERVED-9) |
| 05:07:28 | spiralman | Internet Assigned Numbers Authority |
| 05:07:29 | spiralman | 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 |
| 05:07:29 | spiralman | Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695 |
| 05:07:30 | spiralman | US |
| 05:07:35 | noriko | o |
| 05:07:52 | evilcat | # echo 10 >/proc/scale |
| 05:07:52 | evilcat | cannot create /proc/scale: directory nonexistent |
| 05:07:55 | evilcat | whats that? |
| 05:08:03 | noriko | i get that too |
| 05:08:11 | evilcat | he? |
| 05:08:19 | evilcat | how to i _get_ it? |
| 05:08:30 | noriko | its installed like that |
| 05:09:48 | evilcat | [root@laptop]~> ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:09:48 | evilcat | PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1): 56 octets data |
| 05:09:51 | evilcat | same old thing |
| 05:10:08 | spiralman | evilcat; where are you pinging from? |
| 05:10:16 | evilcat | i tried both |
| 05:10:20 | evilcat | my pc and ipaq |
| 05:10:45 | spiralman | ok, go through exactly what you did, in the order that you did it... |
| 05:10:55 | spiralman | each command... |
| 05:11:04 | evilcat | ok |
| 05:11:06 | evilcat | ipaq: |
| 05:11:15 | evilcat | modprobe usb-eth |
| 05:11:30 | evilcat | ifconfig usbf 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 05:11:40 | evilcat | route add default gw 192.168.0.2 |
| 05:11:46 | evilcat | end |
| 05:11:51 | evilcat | then for my pc |
| 05:12:05 | evilcat | modprobe usb-net-host |
| 05:12:21 | spiralman | usb-net-host? |
| 05:12:22 | evilcat | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 05:12:24 | evilcat | yea |
| 05:12:26 | spiralman | i think thats the wrong driver... |
| 05:12:30 | spiralman | i do modprobe uhci |
| 05:12:31 | evilcat | http://dredd.crimea.edu/ipaq/ipaq-usb-howto.html |
| 05:12:33 | spiralman | insmod usbnet |
| 05:12:42 | evilcat | uhci is just a usb controler |
| 05:12:52 | evilcat | usbnet is loaded right now |
| 05:12:58 | evilcat | [root@laptop]~> lsmod |
| 05:12:58 | evilcat | Module Size Used by |
| 05:12:58 | evilcat | usb-net-host 4624 1 |
| 05:12:58 | evilcat | usbnet 7296 0 (unused) |
| 05:12:59 | spiralman | yes, i know uhci is a usb controler |
| 05:13:07 | spiralman | it has to be reloaded each time... |
| 05:13:07 | evilcat | yea i have it compiled in the kernel |
| 05:13:08 | spiralman | anwyay |
| 05:13:19 | spiralman | usb-net-host is old and out of date |
| 05:13:20 | spiralman | dont use it |
| 05:13:40 | evilcat | ok |
| 05:13:52 | spiralman | and uhci has to be a module |
| 05:13:57 | evilcat | hmm |
| 05:14:06 | spiralman | cause you have to rmmod and modprobe it each time you reconnect the ipaq |
| 05:14:39 | evilcat | ok |
| 05:14:44 | evilcat | recompiling |
| 05:14:51 | evilcat | this will take w while ;> |
| 05:22:09 | evilcat | whats the deal with /proc/scale? |
| 05:22:17 | spiralman | no idea |
| 05:22:17 | evilcat | do i need it for anything? |
| 05:22:25 | spiralman | where are you seeing the error message? |
| 05:22:29 | evilcat | my procfs doesnt support is |
| 05:22:36 | evilcat | the howto |
| 05:22:40 | evilcat | says that i should |
| 05:22:48 | evilcat | echo 10 to /proc/scale |
| 05:22:52 | spiralman | oh |
| 05:22:57 | evilcat | ok can you tell me what do you do ? |
| 05:22:58 | spiralman | i just ignore that |
| 05:23:13 | evilcat | ok |
| 05:32:16 | pigeon | Yay, I got my cf sleeve plus. |
| 05:37:46 | evilcat | and i got my usb working :) |
| 05:37:51 | evilcat | thanks spiralman :) |
| 05:40:16 | spiralman | ahh, spiffy |
| 05:40:17 | spiralman | np |
| 05:41:31 | spiralman | i gotta go now... |
| 05:41:33 | spiralman | night all |
| 05:48:50 | noriko | can someone gimmie an example format of /etc/localtime |
| 05:49:02 | noriko | my desktop has it encoded somehow |
| 05:49:34 | pigeon | noriko: I believe it's not plain ascii... |
| 05:51:08 | noriko | timezones - Timezone data |
| 05:51:13 | noriko | looks like a package |
| 05:53:33 | noriko | cant find canada |
| 05:54:59 | DaveH | whereabouts in canada ? |
| 05:56:54 | DaveH | on your desktop pc it should be under /user/share/zoneinfo/$COUNTRY$/$ZONE$ |
| 06:09:07 | noriko | found a city nearby |
| 09:17:56 | dc_ | hmm |
| 09:18:02 | dc_ | this is gonna be interesting |
| 09:21:51 | pigeon | dc_: Yo... I got my cf sleeve plus! |
| 09:22:13 | dc_ | pigeon: a what? |
| 09:22:25 | pigeon | dc_: cf single sleeve plus |
| 09:22:51 | dc_ | pigeon: what's that? |
| 09:22:54 | dc_ | hehe |
| 09:23:34 | pigeon | http://www.compaq.com/products/handhelds/pocketpc/options/expansion_packs.html |
| 09:23:36 | pigeon | The second one. |
| 09:23:45 | pigeon | cf single sleeve, with a removable battery. |
| 09:26:47 | dc_ | pigeon: cool :) |
| 09:27:31 | dc_ | pokes duffekn_away |
| 09:28:12 | noriko | how can i go about changing the size of ram and ramfs? |
| 09:28:29 | noriko | id rather have 16mb ram and more ramdisk |
| 09:28:57 | noriko | ramfs, even |
| 09:29:06 | pigeon | noriko: mount -o remount,size=xxM /mnt/ramfs |
| 09:29:33 | noriko | ok |
| 09:49:59 | dwmw2_gone | cmarqu? |
| 09:50:58 | dwmw2_gone | ibot: message for cmarqi: Occasional CRC failures are harmless. They can happen when you power cycle or reboot, and the original version of the same data should be intact. |
| 09:51:04 | dwmw2_gone | fuck |
| 09:51:09 | dwmw2_gone | ibot: message for cmarqu: Occasional CRC failures are harmless. They can happen when you power cycle or reboot, and the original version of the same data should be intact. |
| 11:13:31 | prh | sighs |
| 11:14:27 | grib | yawns |
| 11:17:27 | peepo | hi jamey |
| 11:17:50 | peepo | trying skiffcluster for the first time |
| 11:18:32 | peepo | bash: scp: command not found |
| 11:18:43 | peepo | logged in as guest? |
| 11:47:12 | mind | neone know a chan fore jornada720 devel... since #jornada720 is all empty? |
| 11:48:30 | mind | guess not ;) |
| 11:55:51 | peepo | anyone using skiff? |
| 11:56:15 | Morn | is away: if (dirty) { shower(); } |
| 11:56:24 | | i think skiff is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html or broken |
| 11:56:24 | peepo | ibot skiff |
| 11:56:46 | phearbear | hahaha.. |
| 11:57:57 | prh | ibot message for morn: if (dirty) { shower() or bath() or hand_wash() or die "Staying smelly"; } |
| 11:59:12 | dc_ | prh: haha |
| 11:59:25 | dc_ | poor Morn |
| 12:04:18 | LT | hi, anyone here |
| 12:04:33 | LT | Need help on iptables |
| 12:09:28 | LT | It's kind of urgent. Can someone please help |
| 12:11:44 | Morn | is back (gone 00:15:28) |
| 12:16:38 | peepo | what iptables problem? |
| 12:18:26 | peepo | help |
| 12:27:04 | Morn | is away: hungry |
| 12:28:02 | LT | I couldn't find the iptables command even after insmod ip_tables. |
| 12:31:08 | LT | peepo: Any clue |
| 12:31:13 | prh | perhaps you need the package that has the iptables binary command... |
| 12:31:30 | prh | adding a module to the kernel does not install a binary in your path... |
| 12:32:01 | peepo | did you want ipmasquerading instead? |
| 12:32:33 | LT | which pkg ? I have downloaded one of the iptabes...ipk and installed. |
| 12:33:22 | LT | i want to setup NAT on my ipaq. |
| 12:34:08 | LT | peepo: can u do ipmasq without iptables in kernel 2.4.18 ? |
| 12:36:29 | peepo | i reckon, give us a moment |
| 12:36:36 | peepo | can't find link |
| 12:36:44 | LT | My understanding is release 0.5.2 do support iptables. |
| 12:38:06 | peepo | cant help with that |
| 12:38:14 | LT | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.2/packages/armv4l/ is where I downloaded the pkg. |
| 12:57:26 | prh | LT: you'll probly need two packages. one with the modules - one with the support programs (iptables) |
| 13:01:28 | LT | prh: Do you know which pkg is missing that will give iptables command. |
| 13:05:02 | LT | There are a number of iptables-modules-2.4.18-rmk3_hhx_arm.ipk on the above dir. I installed the latest one. I can see there are ~10 obj files under the netfilter/ dir. |
| 13:13:08 | prh | no |
| 13:13:34 | LT | prh: what u mean by no ? |
| 13:14:15 | prh | <LT> prh: Do you know which pkg is missing that will give iptables command. |
| 13:14:18 | prh | <prh> no |
| 13:15:44 | prh | maybe net-tools or netbase |
| 13:17:32 | LT | That's a good suggestion worth trying. But, i will really appreciate it if someone can give me a more definitive answer. |
| 13:21:36 | LT | prh: Is there any way i can access this irc channel using some software running over http protocol ? |
| 13:22:19 | LT | I can't access irc from my office. |
| 13:22:29 | ToyKeeper | Tunnel. |
| 13:23:15 | LT | What client software that i can use. |
| 14:00:14 | BrianR | jamey_: Around? |
| 14:11:02 | BrianR | Does anyone know if the hp jornada 728 has flash or mask rom? |
| 14:17:29 | jamey_ | BrianR: I'm around |
| 14:17:34 | dc_ | jamey_: ! |
| 14:17:48 | dc_ | jamey_: can you add me to the gpe group for hh cvs? |
| 14:18:00 | jamey_ | BrianR: I believe it has mask rom but HPL has provided flash modules for a small number of them |
| 14:18:03 | jamey_ | dc_: ok |
| 14:18:09 | dc_ | jamey_: yay, thanks :) |
| 14:19:19 | jamey_ | dc_: done |
| 14:21:01 | baub | Morning all. I hope your will forgive a very newbie question: After reading everything I could on the Handhelds.org site I am still not certain what the requirements are to load Linux on my iPAQ. The only number I saw was 140MB for the "full blown debian linux distribution" (Intimate). I have a stock 3650 (32MB/32MB) any chance to get Linux on it as is? |
| 14:23:12 | dc_ | jamey_: next problem, how do I get an ssh key to add? |
| 14:23:31 | Disconnect | baub: familiar.handhelds.org |
| 14:23:44 | cmarqu | Hi all. |
| 14:23:48 | jamey_ | dc_: ssh-keygen |
| 14:25:13 | dc_ | jamey_: on my box? |
| 14:25:17 | dc_ | cmarqu: hey |
| 14:25:20 | dc_ | cmarqu: #gpe :P |
| 14:25:31 | cmarqu | dc_: Cool. |
| 14:28:18 | jamey_ | dc_: on your box |
| 14:28:20 | jamey_ | hi honeypea |
| 14:28:37 | honeypea | hiya jamey_ |
| 14:29:09 | cmarqu | dc_: Do you run mallum's lock app? |
| 14:29:24 | honeypea | can anyone tell me if bluez is at a point where i can use it to get up ppp via my phone..? |
| 14:33:12 | jamey_ | honeypea: I have heard reports that it is |
| 14:33:42 | honeypea | thanks jamey_, any ideas who could help a 3-day newbie with it? |
| 14:34:14 | BrianR | jamey_: hpl? |
| 14:34:39 | pb | honeypea: what phone do you have? |
| 14:34:53 | jamey_ | BrianR: hpl? |
| 14:34:58 | honeypea | pb: ericsson t39 |
| 14:35:04 | jamey_ | honeypea: google? |
| 14:35:30 | jamey_ | BrianR: hpl == hp labs |
| 14:35:42 | honeypea | jamey_: um, tried that, but i'll take the hint and try again :) i just dont know how to get started with bluez |
| 14:36:27 | jamey_ | honeypea: I don't know off the top of my head, so I would also have to try google |
| 14:36:37 | honeypea | ok thanks |
| 14:36:47 | jamey_ | honeypea: or try the bluez-users mailing list and/or archives. there are some ipaq users there |
| 14:37:03 | BrianR | jamey_: Aah.. For pay, or do I just need to ask nicely? |
| 14:37:40 | honeypea | oh, i didnt even realise bluez wasn't ipaq-only - sounds good jamey_, thanks |
| 14:38:44 | jamey_ | BrianR: not for pay. but the boards are assembled by hand, so you would have to ask very very nicely. |
| 14:39:07 | BrianR | jamey_: Aah. Yeah. that sounds like a hassle for them. |
| 14:39:22 | BrianR | How hard is it to get the hh.org linux stuff to play on the jornada 72x? |
| 14:40:20 | BrianR | Work gives me a $1k/yr stipend to buy a PDA... Last lear I had the ipaq 3670... |
| 14:40:32 | jamey_ | BrianR: I do not know, but raduga has done so |
| 14:40:54 | BrianR | But with the dual sleeve, a udrive, a wireless card, a keyboard, etc., it's way bigger than the jornada.. |
| 14:41:05 | BrianR | whereas the jornada is one nice solid unit - no parts to fall off. |
| 14:41:59 | ToyKeeper | The journada isn't even flashable, is it? |
| 14:42:52 | ToyKeeper | Someone gave me a 548 and I've never used it because I have no use for wince... |
| 15:06:06 | nelson | which serial port does the SIR data arrive on? And do I need to install a driver to get at it? |
| 15:07:56 | spung | ibot: message for mallum: it seems more and more to me that it is a xkbd bug |
| 15:10:37 | dc_ | cmarqu: yeah, it's a nice util. lick :) |
| 15:10:54 | nelson | BrianR: well, there's always glue! |
| 15:10:59 | cmarqu | dc_: lick? :) |
| 15:11:21 | cmarqu | dc_: Well, the ssh package seems to be overflowing my flash again... |
| 15:11:34 | nelson | cmarqu: I hope it's short for licking the lollipop. |
| 15:12:16 | cmarqu | :) And only a candy lollipop too. |
| 15:12:59 | dc_ | lock :} |
| 15:40:15 | dc_ | nelson: ;p |
| 15:47:05 | raduga | wow! |
| 15:47:15 | raduga | check out headlines on slashdot! |
| 15:47:41 | raduga | some crazy hacker has apparently managed to run linux on an ipaq!!!! |
| 15:47:49 | dc_ | OMFG |
| 15:47:51 | dc_ | who?? |
| 15:47:53 | dc_ | I want one! |
| 15:47:54 | raduga | i dunno |
| 15:48:01 | raduga | but slashdot seems to think its amazing |
| 15:48:11 | raduga | not only linux but an http server!! |
| 15:48:15 | raduga | and wifi! |
| 15:48:16 | dc_ | hahaha |
| 15:48:19 | dc_ | omg. |
| 15:48:29 | dc_ | somone's actualy installed linux on an... |
| 15:48:31 | dc_ | iPAQ!! |
| 15:48:37 | raduga | WEIRD |
| 15:49:02 | honeypea | goes to read :) |
| 15:49:08 | dc_ | really |
| 15:49:26 | honeypea | theyre really on the ball, arent they |
| 15:49:39 | raduga | slashdot is news for nerds! |
| 15:49:48 | raduga | er. you *are* a nerd, aren't you? |
| 15:49:52 | honeypea | stuff that used to matter! |
| 15:50:51 | dc_ | hahaaaa |
| 15:50:56 | dc_ | a longg...long...;time ago |
| 15:50:58 | dc_ | it mattered |
| 15:50:59 | honeypea | :) |
| 15:52:11 | raduga | in a galaxy far, far away? |
| 15:52:35 | ToyKeeper | Egad. If anyone thought an ipaq webserver was amazing, they could have made headlines months ago... |
| 15:52:43 | dc_ | yep |
| 15:52:55 | dc_ | raduga: VERY far away |
| 15:53:04 | honeypea | ToyKeeper, knowing /. its probably been a headline 5 times already |
| 15:53:06 | pigeon | Hmm how does one create reiserfs on an cf? |
| 15:53:23 | ToyKeeper | mkreiserfs /dev/hda ? :) |
| 15:53:38 | Tangent | pigeon: One doesn't like the fixed size 32M journal, so one normally uses ext3 on CF instead |
| 15:53:40 | pigeon | Oh good enough :) |
| 15:53:58 | raduga | if you read the comments people make on the article, its really fascinating |
| 15:54:00 | dc_ | hheehehehe |
| 15:54:06 | dc_ | pigeon: hehe |
| 15:54:13 | honeypea | dc_ and raduga, do i have your permission to post a snippet of the log above to slashdot :) |
| 15:54:19 | asuffield | running a classic journalling filesystem on cf would seem like a bad idea... |
| 15:54:24 | raduga | people are surprised that an only 200mhz box with only 32mb ram could run a web server without dying in short order |
| 15:54:27 | dc_ | honeypea: probly, ask alexksso |
| 15:54:30 | dc_ | honeypea: probly, ask a7r |
| 15:54:31 | dc_ | hehe |
| 15:54:42 | raduga | honeypea: eh. sure |
| 15:54:45 | honeypea | why a7r? |
| 15:54:52 | dc_ | ;/ |
| 15:54:54 | dc_ | yeah |
| 15:54:55 | raduga | honeypea: if i have permission to moderate :) |
| 15:54:57 | dc_ | honeypea: n/m do it : |
| 15:54:58 | dc_ | :) |
| 15:55:00 | honeypea | ok :) |
| 15:55:04 | honeypea | scampers off |
| 15:55:15 | dc_ | honeypea: do the news that matters bit :} |
| 15:55:20 | asuffield | pfeh, my ipaq has been hooked into my dancer-ircd network at home for months |
| 15:55:21 | honeypea | ok :) |
| 15:55:28 | dc_ | hehe |
| 15:55:30 | jamey_ | asuffield: it should be fine, although of course it will cause the card not to last as long |
| 15:55:34 | ToyKeeper | Dang. I've been hosting portable versions of online documentation on my ipaq for months with boa. It's handy to have python.org/doc/ in your pocket.. |
| 15:55:37 | dc_ | giggles and waits for honeypea's comment |
| 15:55:38 | jamey_ | asuffield: cf cards do wear leveling internally |
| 15:55:40 | asuffield | webservers just don't seem quite the same... |
| 15:55:52 | honeypea | im not witty enough, just a snippet, dc_ :) |
| 15:56:05 | ToyKeeper | goes to sleep |
| 15:56:05 | dc_ | honeypea: indeed |
| 15:56:09 | asuffield | wonders if it could handle the OPN traffic level |
| 15:56:12 | dc_ | honeypea: i wanna see the replies! |
| 16:03:06 | dc_ | Yup, all you need to do to replicate this amazing feat is: |
| 16:03:06 | dc_ | * Take a few minutes to download Familiar [handhelds.org] |
| 16:03:06 | dc_ | * ipkg install thttpd |
| 16:03:11 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:03:31 | honeypea | sorry about the delay :) even with "plain old text" it wanted to treat <name> as html |
| 16:03:40 | dc_ | heh |
| 16:07:10 | raduga | honeypea has 1 karma point! |
| 16:07:13 | raduga | congratulations! |
| 16:08:50 | moray | dc_: yes, I know it's bad, but I posted to Slashdot |
| 16:08:54 | moray | is ashamed... |
| 16:08:55 | honeypea | grr |
| 16:09:04 | honeypea | batteries |
| 16:09:22 | dc_ | moray: it's cool :) |
| 16:09:42 | honeypea | sees moray's post above mine :) |
| 16:09:57 | moray | normally just glances at www.alterslash.org from time to time (Slashdot digest) |
| 16:10:22 | honeypea | is that the one slashdot claim is unconstitutional, or something, moray? |
| 16:10:22 | spung | moray: nice!! |
| 16:11:03 | spung | slashdot is getting to fast for me |
| 16:11:45 | dc_ | indeed |
| 16:11:59 | spung | i don't have time to check it everrry day |
| 16:12:08 | moray | honeypea: well, I presume they wouldn't like it, given it removes their revenue stream |
| 16:12:29 | honeypea | yes, terribly open source :) |
| 16:12:36 | moray | points at http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/slashdot.html ;) |
| 16:12:40 | dc_ | honeypea: you should have put from #handhelds.org :) |
| 16:12:41 | raduga | they also didn't like slashdot2.org |
| 16:12:53 | honeypea | dc_, see the title! |
| 16:13:01 | raduga | which was mostly just parodies and criticism of the original |
| 16:13:05 | honeypea | ./subject! |
| 16:13:08 | dc_ | kicks himself |
| 16:13:10 | dc_ | honeypea: :D |
| 16:13:13 | honeypea | :) |
| 16:14:26 | spung | moray: too bad i can't access afterslash :\ |
| 16:15:58 | moray | spung: hm - sometimes it disappears for a bit - as far as I know it's just someone's personal project, so that's probably to be expected :-/ |
| 16:16:09 | dc_ | #8. Screaming 14-year-old boys attempting to prove to each other that they are more 3133t than j00. |
| 16:16:12 | dc_ | not true |
| 16:16:16 | dc_ | that offends me |
| 16:17:08 | raduga | is m0r3 31337 then U |
| 16:17:21 | honeypea | waits for more snippets to be posted as a followup |
| 16:17:31 | spung | dc_: :) |
| 16:17:35 | r4duG4 | i can't post :( |
| 16:17:40 | dc_ | dc[being1337] |
| 16:17:55 | dc[being1337] | r4duG4: phe4r |
| 16:18:01 | honeypea | bad boy, r4duG4, or did they get IPs messed up again? |
| 16:18:09 | r4duG4 | well. no. |
| 16:18:13 | r4duG4 | i moderated this discussion |
| 16:18:18 | r4duG4 | you can't both post and moderate :( |
| 16:18:27 | dc[being1337] | r4duG4: j00r fux0red lack or rice will own j00 |
| 16:18:32 | r4duG4 | otherwise all of my posts would end up rated +5 Insightful |
| 16:18:33 | honeypea | they stopped me posting for a bit - IP mixup. the server even reported the wrong IP for ME. |
| 16:18:34 | dc[being1337] | s/or/of |
| 16:18:37 | moray | hm, as well as the inserted square ads, the banner ads on slashdot are about 4x the size since I last looked... |
| 16:18:58 | dc[being1337] | moray: I noticed that to:/ |
| 16:19:10 | honeypea | yes theyre growing |
| 16:19:22 | r4duG4 | moray : CoMmAnDeR tAcO 0wNz U |
| 16:19:37 | moray | :) |
| 16:19:52 | spiralman | slashdot is still good if you dont click on "read more" too much |
| 16:20:01 | r4duG4 | sighs |
| 16:20:11 | r4duG4 | should i moderate moray's post? :( |
| 16:20:21 | honeypea | the palm version of slashdot is a good way of digesting it. its a far better site than the full one :) |
| 16:20:28 | honeypea | slasdot.org/palm |
| 16:20:30 | moray | spiralman: well, that's why I was recommending www.alterslash.org (though apparently it's inaccessible just now) |
| 16:20:34 | r4duG4 | if i do then he will have a higher mod than honeypea |
| 16:20:38 | moray | spiralman: the top few comments can be worth seeing too |
| 16:20:52 | moray | spiralman: since half the time they say why the story's not true... |
| 16:20:57 | r4duG4 | moray: i actually like the page-widener trolls |
| 16:21:04 | r4duG4 | moray: and the BSD IS DYING trolls |
| 16:21:16 | dc_ | before I own all of j00 |
| 16:21:23 | spiralman | i usually read the comments for things like ask slashdot, cause they tend to actually be informative |
| 16:21:25 | r4duG4 | and the first posts have their own peculiar charm |
| 16:21:29 | moray | hm, is Natalie Portman petrified passé by now? |
| 16:21:46 | r4duG4 | moray: no. its actually old enough to be classic |
| 16:21:55 | moray | ha |
| 16:22:22 | r4duG4 | moray: especially since lucas has suggested splicing in episode 1-3 characters into new releases of ep 4-6 |
| 16:22:28 | moray | it would be kind of fun to script a Slashdot karma whore/troll |
| 16:22:30 | dc_ | http://bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/index.html |
| 16:22:31 | dc_ | hahahahaha |
| 16:22:40 | r4duG4 | moray: i'm waiting to see Natalie Portman in Empire Strikes back |
| 16:22:59 | r4duG4 | naked *and* petrified. Along with Harrison Ford :) |
| 16:23:13 | moray | a bot could easily watch for new stories then create posts with excerpts from them while would get modded up |
| 16:23:29 | moray | and if you had a pair of similar bots they could take it in turns to post/moderate... |
| 16:23:30 | spiralman | and old... |
| 16:23:37 | Magni | hello |
| 16:23:37 | dc_ | Flatbager asks "I just started playing around with ICQ and it looks very powerful. I started thinking that this program might be perfect for my plans of comunicating with aliens. Has any other Slahsdot user tried using ICQ in this way, or is teh Open Source community not raely into communicating with aliens? Either way I'd like to haer your views." |
| 16:23:39 | spiralman | shed be fucking old in empire |
| 16:23:40 | dc_ | giggles |
| 16:23:57 | spiralman | also dead |
| 16:24:02 | spiralman | but whatever |
| 16:24:03 | Magni | wonders if anone could awnser a quick question for him |
| 16:24:07 | spiralman | sure |
| 16:25:02 | spiralman | whats the question? |
| 16:25:05 | Magni | i have seen much spoken of a linux distro on various Strong ARM setups... and i was led here in my search... every one has admiration for the mp2k series... was there ever a kernel written for it? |
| 16:25:17 | Magni | isnt fond of mac based os's there too cute |
| 16:26:00 | dc_ | OS/2 Being Ported To The IPaq |
| 16:26:00 | dc_ | Posted by brian on Thu June 06, 10:47 AM |
| 16:26:00 | dc_ | from the have fun hitting reload page dept. |
| 16:26:00 | dc_ | The wait is ovver. For all of you who have been waiting to run OS/2 on your iPaq here's your oportunity. This is the port we've al been waiting for, and it's GPLed. Get to the servers before they slow to a crawl. |
| 16:26:02 | dc_ | omg. |
| 16:26:03 | dc_ | cool. |
| 16:26:05 | r4duG4 | spiralman: yes. but how many *plausible* opportunities are you ever going to get, for her to be actually petrified on screen? |
| 16:27:02 | Magni | os/2 as in the ibm gui from like 5 years ago |
| 16:27:03 | Magni | kick ass! |
| 16:28:44 | Magni | sighs without awnsers and continues crawling the web looking for PSone linux and MP2K linux |
| 16:29:35 | spiralman | what is mp2k? |
| 16:29:44 | moray | spiralman: I think that's a Newton |
| 16:29:45 | Magni | MessagePad 2000 |
| 16:29:48 | spiralman | ahh, ok |
| 16:29:49 | Magni | Newton |
| 16:29:56 | Magni | Strongarm 169Mhz |
| 16:30:07 | Magni | nice little proccessor... horrid little os |
| 16:30:16 | moray | hm, you'd have thought someone would have tried - but if too much of the hardware's closed maybe they just gave up |
| 16:30:20 | Magni | and finding the assembly calls for mac machienes is a pain |
| 16:30:21 | spiralman | debian has an arm distro, that you might be able to base something on... |
| 16:30:46 | Magni | spiral... yea... im a debian user but i cant find hardware specs |
| 16:30:51 | Magni | cant find bios calls |
| 16:30:57 | Magni | find find bootloader info |
| 16:31:01 | Magni | cant find |
| 16:32:00 | r4duG4 | heh |
| 16:32:03 | r4duG4 | speaking of apples |
| 16:32:19 | r4duG4 | I just got a weird mac clone box yesterday |
| 16:32:24 | Magni | coo |
| 16:32:28 | r4duG4 | a motorola PowerMax |
| 16:32:28 | Magni | PPC or 68k |
| 16:32:29 | Magni | ? |
| 16:32:31 | r4duG4 | ppc! |
| 16:32:33 | Magni | oOo... |
| 16:32:40 | Magni | has heard good things about those |
| 16:32:51 | r4duG4 | er. about the PowerMax? |
| 16:32:57 | spiralman | hehe, the only 68k i have is my NeXT cube... |
| 16:32:59 | r4duG4 | had never actually quite heard of them before |
| 16:33:05 | raduga | hmm |
| 16:33:36 | raduga | its kinda funny, because it has both scsi and ide, |
| 16:33:50 | raduga | and uses PS2 keyboard and mouse, but also ADB |
| 16:34:12 | raduga | the disks inside it are all IDE though. not sure if it can boot scsi or not |
| 16:34:30 | moray | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm/2001-May/001273.html suggests that people *have* failed to find out about Newton hardware enough |
| 16:34:32 | raduga | boots OS7.6 though :) |
| 16:34:54 | raduga | moray: hrm. a real shame |
| 16:35:18 | raduga | moray: apple had absolutely no clue what to do with the Newton, and managed it in just about the worst possible way |
| 16:35:24 | raduga | moray: contrast with the Palm |
| 16:36:09 | spung | hmm... i just found a way of deciding whether to say something on the IRC or not.. drop something on the keyboard and hope it hits (or not) the enter key |
| 16:36:41 | raduga | spung: i use different criteria |
| 16:36:49 | moray | well yes - the Newton was as far as I could tell a good machine, it just got bad press because the first version of the handwriting recognition wasn't as good as people hoped |
| 16:36:49 | raduga | i ask my mom. |
| 16:36:53 | spung | raduga: too late, it already hit enter |
| 16:36:55 | spung | raduga: lol |
| 16:37:01 | spung | raduga: how old are you? |
| 16:37:25 | raduga | spung: i cant remember. i used to be able to count that high, but i dont have enough fingers anymore |
| 16:37:31 | spung | :) |
| 16:37:32 | spung | phone |
| 16:38:01 | raduga | moray: i thought it used graffiti |
| 16:38:23 | raduga | anyway, the two biggest problems it had were its size and cost |
| 16:38:32 | raduga | almost pocket-sized but not quite there |
| 16:38:42 | moray | at least early Newtons used a more sensible handwriting recognition scheme... |
| 16:38:49 | moray | and you could just write where you wanted text to go |
| 16:38:53 | raduga | handheld, sure, but you needed a belt holster or something to carry them around with |
| 16:39:27 | moray | raduga: yes, but have you seen the size of e.g. some of the Psions, that were pretty popular |
| 16:39:31 | raduga | and at the time, people weren't willing to spent $600 or $700 on a weird machine that nobody had |
| 16:39:43 | moray | or indeed the *increasing* size of most laptops over more recent years... |
| 16:39:52 | raduga | moray: the psion netbook and s7 are subnotebooks |
| 16:40:03 | raduga | the s5 and s3 are h/pc |
| 16:40:10 | moray | raduga: yes, but these categories are artificial... |
| 16:40:15 | raduga | they're bigger than an ipaq, but much smaller than a Newton |
| 16:40:25 | raduga | moray: not to me. |
| 16:40:59 | raduga | moray: a handheld or palmtop is a computer i can use with one hand while holding it with the other, that I can stow in my pocket when im not using it |
| 16:41:18 | raduga | moray: a subnotebook is anything bigger than that |
| 16:41:46 | raduga | moray: newtons are somewhere between, really |
| 16:41:52 | moray | yes, and at least for me even the smaller psions have tended to be too big for pockets - the iPAQ will go in my *coat* pocket... |
| 16:41:59 | raduga | moray: yea |
| 16:42:24 | raduga | moray: i wear pants that a psion or jornada720 can fit in, on purpose :/ |
| 16:42:40 | moray | well, that's one way to solve the problem ;) |
| 16:42:43 | raduga | moray: though i'll grant they are near the upper limit on pocketsize |
| 16:43:00 | moray | of course I solve the problem by not leaving the house ;) |
| 16:43:00 | raduga | moray: i need the keyboard |
| 16:43:02 | DaveH | There you see its not technologys fault its the evil fasion world |
| 16:43:15 | dc_ | hey DaveH |
| 16:43:21 | dc_ | DaveH: #gpe ;} |
| 16:43:31 | moray | well sure - if men carried bags we'd all just take laptops with us presumably... |
| 16:44:31 | honeypea | hey we got a Score:3, Funny |
| 16:44:35 | raduga | cool! |
| 16:44:40 | prh | tends to take laptop most places - but then it is an ibm x22 - nice and small and light. well comparatively |
| 16:44:51 | raduga | ok |
| 16:44:56 | raduga | i can moderate moray now. |
| 16:44:56 | moray | I've got a Sony Picturebook thing |
| 16:45:08 | raduga | couldn't let moray get more karma than honeypea |
| 16:45:14 | honeypea | grumbles :) |
| 16:45:24 | honeypea | oh wait, the other way round! aw :) |
| 16:45:24 | raduga | but if Pea is up to +3 we can certainly do it |
| 16:45:29 | moray | though of course I would no longer recommend Vaios to people, given their batteries seem to die very quickly, among other things... |
| 16:46:17 | spiralman | my grandparents have a vaio, nice screen, but they always leave it plugged in, so they havent had any battery problems... |
| 16:46:34 | dc_ | my friend's battery broke |
| 16:46:36 | dc_ | :/ |
| 16:46:55 | honeypea | doesnt leaving a li ion plugged in all the time wear it in the end? |
| 16:46:56 | spiralman | ahh, that sucks.. |
| 16:47:02 | moray | spiralman: well, the battery life was never that good (especially considering it's Crusoe-based), but it got worse and worse, then died completely |
| 16:47:24 | moray | honeypea: I suspect that's what happened with mine, which was 24/7 for maybe a year (IIRC) before dying |
| 16:47:26 | spiralman | honeypea: well, if the laptop is designed inteligently, it wont be recieving power when its fully charged |
| 16:47:37 | moray | spiralman: so apparently Vaios aren't... |
| 16:47:44 | honeypea | spiralman i guess - im never sure how to treat the li ions in my dell |
| 16:47:50 | spiralman | or it was just a bad battery... |
| 16:47:52 | moray | my previous Vaio's battery died too |
| 16:47:59 | raduga | spiralman: if the laptop is designed intelligently it will wear out and break over time, so you have to buy a new one. |
| 16:48:02 | moray | and my flatmate's, within months of her getting it |
| 16:48:05 | honeypea | whether to leave it plugged in all the time, or occasionally use the batteries |
| 16:48:12 | raduga | spiralman: and the laptop manufacturer makes more $$$. |
| 16:48:17 | raduga | that's what I call Intelligence. |
| 16:48:20 | spiralman | raduga: hehe |
| 16:48:22 | honeypea | :) |
| 16:48:45 | raduga | ugh |
| 16:48:57 | raduga | actually, i think my laptop HD is having some issues lately :/ |
| 16:49:03 | moray | my flatmate bought a 4x (or whatever) battery off someone as a replacement (they had one they didn't need, so it was cheap), but that about doubles the weight of her laptop... :) |
| 16:49:04 | raduga | when the disk spins down in powersave mode |
| 16:49:11 | raduga | it *wont* spin back up again without a reboot |
| 16:49:19 | raduga | this is becoming annoying. |
| 16:49:37 | raduga | i've had to disable spindown altogether. |
| 16:49:38 | moray | the HD in my Picturebook is kind of worrying too - it's always made strange loud click-type things from time to time |
| 16:49:41 | honeypea | bit worrying too, raduga |
| 16:49:45 | Magni | will note that the attempts were for the older newtons in early 2001... its mid 2002 and the MP2K was severly upgraded... *ponders poking apple for information* |
| 16:49:47 | raduga | i wonder if its a sign that the drive is failing |
| 16:50:07 | moray | Magni: maybe you could remind Apple about their supposed new culture of openness ;) |
| 16:50:19 | honeypea | my dell hd occasionally makes a scary high pitched whirring sound spontaneously |
| 16:50:31 | Magni | yes |
| 16:50:36 | spiralman | laptop hds are almost as cheap as pc hds |
| 16:50:42 | honeypea | and my other older dell's hd (gulp) died from shaking last month |
| 16:50:42 | spiralman | but its still a bitch when they go |
| 16:50:44 | Magni | I think i will start drafting an email... or possibly a Petition |
| 16:50:45 | raduga | moray: the same openness as when Steve Jobs announced a permanent moratorium on easter eggs |
| 16:50:47 | moray | gave his previous Vaio to his grandmother to use for email, running GNOME/Evolution/Galeon |
| 16:50:48 | honeypea | so i found out, spiralman :) |
| 16:50:56 | Magni | cause the MP2K and 2K1 are cool little machienes |
| 16:51:04 | Magni | plus im getting one for cheap =^_^= |
| 16:51:07 | spiralman | my brother dropped a laptop while it was running |
| 16:51:13 | spiralman | that wasnt good for the HD |
| 16:51:20 | moray | ouch |
| 16:51:20 | raduga | anyone heard anything on the new Apple palmtop? |
| 16:51:38 | spiralman | we just got a new HD in it, and i tried putting slackware on it, but no good, i think something else is broken... |
| 16:52:13 | spiralman | raduga: not me... |
| 16:53:26 | raduga | yay |
| 16:53:31 | raduga | El Nino is coming! |
| 16:53:32 | spiralman | i thought about taking the HD and a dual pcmcia sleeve and making a hard drive sleeve, but that would really eat the batteries... |
| 16:53:49 | spiralman | and i dont have a dual pcmcia sleeve... |
| 16:54:03 | spiralman | raduga: thats spanish for "the nino" |
| 16:54:23 | raduga | spiralman: my keyboard doesn't support the n~ very well :( |
| 16:54:39 | spiralman | raduga: sorry, thats an old SNL scetch... |
| 16:54:43 | spiralman | sketch |
| 16:55:10 | spiralman | or maybe its mad TV, i dont remember... |
| 16:56:32 | Magni | ok draft of letter complete |
| 16:56:47 | spiralman | hmm, well, i gotta go wait for somebody, even though i know hes gonna be later : / |
| 16:56:50 | spiralman | later guys |
| 16:56:56 | Magni | cya |
| 16:57:50 | grey_eyes | Q: my ipaq is unable to ping my pc (both have linux installed), even though the pc can ping the ipaq... Naturally, this throws a monkey-wrench in any plans to connect the ipaq to the internet as I have before. Any ideas? |
| 16:59:29 | honeypea | grey_eyes, first question, ipchains? |
| 16:59:33 | DaveH | grey_eyes: afternoon |
| 16:59:47 | honeypea | you're not blocking pings on the pc perchance |
| 16:59:48 | grey_eyes | DaveH: Afternoon; nice to see you again ;) |
| 17:00:01 | grey_eyes | honeypea: No ipchains. |
| 17:00:13 | honeypea | i know, its a bit like asking if you plugged it in, sorry :) |
| 17:00:30 | grey_eyes | On DaveH's advice, I checked my /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp* files. |
| 17:00:36 | Pieciol | my ipaq duplicate and loss packets |
| 17:00:38 | grey_eyes | No blocking going on there. |
| 17:00:45 | moray | grey_eyes: have you tried 'tcpdump'ing on the pc? |
| 17:00:58 | honeypea | yes, and does netstat -rn on the ipaq look ok? |
| 17:01:04 | DaveH | I think any tech support person will tell you ... is it plugged in is a very valid question some times |
| 17:01:23 | grey_eyes | honeypea: netstat -rn looks fine |
| 17:01:49 | honeypea | id do as moray suggested then and tcpdump host <pc> on the ipaq.. |
| 17:01:50 | grey_eyes | moray: I haven't; testing it now. |
| 17:02:35 | BrianR | raduga: So tell me more about your jornada... |
| 17:03:49 | huhlig_ | grumbles |
| 17:05:17 | grey_eyes | honeypea: ipaq doesn't have tcpdump installed; the pc detects the ipaq's echo requests... |
| 17:05:20 | honeypea | notices the score 4's for me and moray now :) |
| 17:05:45 | honeypea | hmm... there is an ipkg for tcpdump.. not sure it would tell you any more |
| 17:05:50 | grey_eyes | honeypea: so it appears there is some form of blocking... |
| 17:06:26 | grey_eyes | honeypea: that is new; this has worked before |
| 17:06:42 | honeypea | its not wireless is it? not a wep thing? |
| 17:07:01 | grey_eyes | honeypea: heavens no. This is good old usb. |
| 17:07:17 | honeypea | right - just because im sure i had similar when the wep keys were wrong once |
| 17:07:21 | BrianR | Oh.. I have quasi-permenant moderatgor status on /. |
| 17:07:26 | BrianR | Who needs to be moderated :) |
| 17:07:47 | honeypea | well, moray and i just got up to 4 on the ipaq story today, BrianR :) |
| 17:08:48 | BrianR | heh heh |
| 17:10:23 | moray | grey_eyes: what's the routing table on the ipaq? |
| 17:10:54 | grey_eyes | Destination: 10.0.0.0 Gateway: * |
| 17:11:03 | grey_eyes | Destination: default Gateway: 10.0.0.1 |
| 17:11:09 | grey_eyes | ipaq: 10.0.0.2 |
| 17:11:36 | moray | hm |
| 17:11:41 | honeypea | and mask ok? |
| 17:11:50 | grey_eyes | Standard. Yes. |
| 17:19:41 | grey_eyes | fixed the problem... |
| 17:20:24 | grey_eyes | Some idiot set the Default-Deny on my TCP wrappers. |
| 17:20:39 | grey_eyes | growls subterraneously. |
| 17:21:00 | honeypea | damn :) i SHOULD have guessed that |
| 17:24:31 | cmarqu | Wow. The ssh package took almost *three* hours to install, but it completed successfully. |
| 17:26:37 | raduga | meanwhile on irc.openprojects.net/#handhelds.org (Score:5, Funny) |
| 17:27:17 | honeypea | beams! |
| 17:27:40 | raduga | reconsiders |
| 17:27:48 | raduga | maybe i should mod it -1: Troll |
| 17:28:07 | honeypea | laughs. in which case there's 3 trolls in that post :) |
| 17:31:27 | raduga | hehe |
| 17:31:32 | raduga | kuro5hin is funny |
| 17:32:04 | raduga | its like slashdot, except the stories come from users and not the evil JonKatz |
| 17:32:21 | raduga | someone posted an article about Obesity, and why it sucks, and how to lose weight |
| 17:32:42 | raduga | and soemone else found that article offensive, and so posted an article about why fat is beautiful, and how to gain as much of it as possible |
| 17:35:52 | BrianR | # Breakfast: There's one key word here: bacon. Lots and lots of bacon. Your ideal breakfast should consist of no less than a pound of bacon. |
| 17:39:04 | moray | notices the time - Edinburgh Linux User Group later on this evening... |
| 17:39:57 | BrianR | raduga: so does the touchscreen work on your jornada? |
| 17:41:16 | honeypea | bye x |
| 17:43:13 | raduga | brian: yes, but its a bit slow and wonky |
| 17:43:26 | raduga | brian: the new patches are supposed to help that |
| 17:43:47 | raduga | brian: definitely useable, but somewhat annoying |
| 17:44:01 | raduga | it *can't* be calibrated thus far :( |
| 17:44:46 | raduga | i.e. if you run the calibrartion program the digitizer gets confused |
| 17:44:59 | raduga | its otherwise okay |
| 17:54:22 | BrianR | aah. |
| 17:55:00 | BrianR | how hard was it to get bootldr flashed onto it? |
| 18:05:20 | raduga | brianr: i didn't actually do so myself. jca did it at HPL |
| 18:05:29 | edwardam | So I guess france doesn't come around that often? |
| 18:05:31 | raduga | i'm probably going to update bootldr shortly, though |
| 18:05:47 | raduga | i do not believe there is anything fancy to it |
| 18:10:38 | BrianR | raduga: aah. |
| 18:10:54 | BrianR | I tried to mail jca, but it bounced. |
| 18:16:16 | dc_ | moray: !!!! |
| 18:16:18 | dc_ | moray: #gpe |
| 18:21:32 | raduga | bounced!? |
| 18:21:37 | raduga | what address did you use? |
| 18:23:45 | raduga | i'm not sure if the mit address still works |
| 18:24:04 | raduga | ankcorn@hpl.hp.com is what he's sending from, these days |
| 18:28:28 | BrianR | raduga: aAh. Ok. I resent. |
| 18:28:37 | BrianR | apparently some folks got linux working on the psion too.. |
| 18:28:57 | BrianR | but it has no pcmcia slot... |
| 18:29:11 | Tangent | It has a CF slot tho |
| 18:29:25 | BrianR | Tangent: true, but the machine isn't very useful without a card installed in there at all times |
| 18:29:36 | Tangent | BrianR: Very true |
| 18:30:23 | BrianR | the psion guys have this little mouse icon in the corner of their X screenshots - it looks like a mouse you could click on to toggle which button a stylus tap would send. Anyone know what app that is? |
| 18:30:34 | BrianR | sounds like it might be useful on my ipaq. |
| 18:30:42 | metric | can any handhelds run vim in linux? If so is it enough room to code with? |
| 18:32:02 | raduga | enough room?? |
| 18:32:08 | metric | screen-room |
| 18:32:16 | raduga | depends on your font, entirely |
| 18:32:23 | metric | ie. 80 column's of visible text |
| 18:32:39 | raduga | i'd be more concerned about data entry than visible screen. |
| 18:32:40 | metric | but they CAN run vim? :) |
| 18:32:42 | raduga | metric: do the math |
| 18:32:45 | raduga | 320x240 |
| 18:32:53 | cmarqu | "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 18:32:54 | cmarqu | " |
| 18:33:03 | cmarqu | But: |
| 18:33:05 | cmarqu | Kernel command line: mtdpart=bootldr@0x00000000:0x00040000,root@0x00040000:0x00FC0000 noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 18:33:15 | cmarqu | I'm doomed! |
| 18:34:08 | raduga | with 7x8 cells you should have 40x30 screen |
| 18:35:37 | raduga | with 4x4 font, you should be able to get 80col but it will be almost unusable |
| 18:36:06 | metric | damn |
| 18:36:10 | raduga | antialiasing should help |
| 18:36:32 | raduga | metric: what is the lowest screen resolution you have ever worked with? |
| 18:36:49 | metric | console. :) |
| 18:37:01 | BrianR | 4x4 is actually readable in portrait mode, i think because of some subpixel coincidence with the arrangement of rgb dots on the lcd |
| 18:37:05 | raduga | that's not an answer. |
| 18:37:10 | BrianR | but if you rotate it the picture looks like crap. |
| 18:37:22 | raduga | brian: ya. antialias and subpixel helps a fair bit |
| 18:37:39 | raduga | metric: even "console" mode uses bitmaps |
| 18:37:49 | BrianR | raduga: the rgb cells on the ipaq screen are stacked horizontally or vertically? |
| 18:37:50 | raduga | VGA console, for example is 720x480 |
| 18:38:03 | raduga | brian: i dont have an ipaq :) sorry |
| 18:38:19 | raduga | on the jornada they are horizontal i believe |
| 18:38:19 | BrianR | heh. Just our of curiousity, how are they stacked on the jornada? |
| 18:38:41 | raduga | brian: cga console is 640x200 |
| 18:38:46 | raduga | and ega is 640x350 |
| 18:39:09 | metric | VGA linux console is nice. but that depends on the monitor size |
| 18:39:31 | raduga | trs80 console is 256x192 |
| 18:39:41 | BrianR | heh. I remember my tandy color computer.. |
| 18:39:44 | BrianR | what a POS... |
| 18:39:52 | raduga | brian: heathen! |
| 18:39:53 | BrianR | it had an evil black-on-green framebuffer too |
| 18:39:58 | BrianR | with huge black borders on all sides |
| 18:40:00 | raduga | os/9 forever!!! |
| 18:40:39 | raduga | brianr: remember the semi-graphics modes? that you could get by fiddling with the registers |
| 18:40:55 | BrianR | I never got os/9 on my coco. I was always stuck with evil extended color basic and the crappy tape IO. |
| 18:41:05 | raduga | to give you something like 64x192 resolution? |
| 18:41:32 | BrianR | raduga: I remember the extended ascii characters would give you characters where each quadrant was filled with either black or a certain color |
| 18:41:43 | raduga | character graphics. |
| 18:41:43 | mallum | hullo |
| 18:41:48 | BrianR | but you couldn't have say red in one quadrant of a given character cell and blue in another... |
| 18:42:02 | raduga | but that was 64x32 resolution |
| 18:42:08 | mallum | spung[muzzik]: hello |
| 18:42:11 | raduga | right. |
| 18:42:35 | BrianR | Oh. And I remember that if I poked into some byte in the upper end of the 64k memory map, I could change the coco from black on green to black on orage... |
| 18:42:37 | BrianR | very weird. |
| 18:42:54 | mallum | wtf is that dumbass slashdot story about a webserver on a pda all about ? |
| 18:43:07 | BrianR | mallum: /. being lame again |
| 18:43:15 | mallum | alterslash.org <-- slashdot made palitable |
| 18:43:17 | spung[muzzik] | mallum: hi.. i gotta go now but i'll tell you more about that xkbd thing after dinner :p |
| 18:43:18 | raduga | true graphics modes were 64x128, 128x64, 128x128, 256x128 and 256x192 |
| 18:43:22 | BrianR | if I ran a web server on an old piece of dog shit I found in the gutter it would make /. |
| 18:43:30 | mallum | spung[muzzik]: okey dokey |
| 18:43:41 | cmarqu | Hi mallum |
| 18:43:52 | raduga | mallum: its about someone just discovered that you can run linux on an ipaq. |
| 18:43:59 | raduga | mallum: AND an http server too |
| 18:44:13 | raduga | mallum: even a wifi card. Woah! |
| 18:44:21 | mallum | cmarqu: word up :) |
| 18:44:32 | cmarqu | :) |
| 18:44:34 | | ACTION staggers around drunk and then pukes all over BrianR. |
| 18:44:34 | BrianR | ibot: drink a beer |
| 18:44:44 | BrianR | we should post a /. story about ibot's beer drinking capabilities... |
| 18:45:54 | mallum | haha , looks like he's running the crap old xkbd too ... |
| 18:46:02 | cmarqu | mallum: I just broke my ipaq. "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." There is an init=/linuxrc on the kernel line though :/ |
| 18:47:51 | mallum | cmarqu: try setting init=/bin/sh , you can poke around then |
| 18:48:10 | cmarqu | mallum: Ah, indeed. Thanks. |
| 18:48:36 | mallum | raduga, dc_: you are on alterslash -> http://www.alterslash.org/#PocketPC_Wireless_Webserver |
| 18:55:03 | BrianR | yawns. |
| 18:55:55 | dc_ | mallum: hehe |
| 18:56:28 | dc_ | mallum: I love that comment :) |
| 18:58:19 | mallum | eastenders time ... brb .. |
| 18:58:29 | dc_ | oh noo! |
| 18:58:32 | dc_ | mallum: please, nno! |
| 19:07:48 | WiseGuy58 | hey all |
| 19:08:43 | honeypea | hey WiseGuy58 |
| 19:08:57 | WiseGuy58 | i'm running familiar 0.5.1 |
| 19:09:01 | WiseGuy58 | what should I go up to |
| 19:09:05 | WiseGuy58 | 0.5.2 or unstablE? |
| 19:09:11 | honeypea | im on 0.5.2 |
| 19:09:25 | honeypea | its fine for my 3870.. |
| 19:09:33 | WiseGuy58 | what's new in unstable? |
| 19:09:37 | honeypea | dunno, sorry |
| 19:10:08 | cmarqu | Damn. How do I set init=/bin/sh? params save tells me I have no params partition, but I also do not have a /boot/params file. |
| 19:31:18 | cmarqu | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:35:54 | WiseGuy58 | whoah |
| 19:36:12 | WiseGuy58 | minicom makes a crapload of noise when it's done |
| 19:38:39 | BrianR | heh.. it's a knockoff of telix... |
| 19:38:48 | BrianR | I remember telix used to play a riff from some guns n roses song.. |
| 19:39:25 | raduga | telix itself was a clone of procomm |
| 19:39:26 | raduga | sortof |
| 19:39:35 | raduga | (better, though, imo) |
| 19:39:50 | honeypea | what noise, WiseGuy58? |
| 19:47:10 | honeypea | *crunch* *smash* |
| 19:47:23 | GeorgX | is there any way to buy an ipaq without os? |
| 19:48:18 | honeypea | id be very surprised, GeorgX. i dont think you can buy a laptop from Dell now without Windows |
| 19:48:47 | GeorgX | I just asked |
| 19:49:21 | honeypea | ask HP :) |
| 19:49:45 | WiseGuy58 | boodoodoot boodoodoot doodoodoot |
| 19:50:01 | WiseGuy58 | hmm |
| 19:50:02 | WiseGuy58 | ok |
| 19:50:13 | WiseGuy58 | i can't get familiar 0.5.2 to connect via ppp |
| 19:50:26 | WiseGuy58 | pc gives me confreq id=0x1s |
| 19:50:30 | WiseGuy58 | i set asyncmap 0 |
| 19:50:39 | WiseGuy58 | but yet it still doesn't go |
| 19:51:55 | evilcat | it there a way to upgrade memory in my ipaq without any expantion slots? |
| 19:52:15 | evilcat | and how do i make it s |
| 19:52:17 | evilcat | so |
| 19:52:22 | evilcat | /dev/mtdblock/1 16M 6.5M 9.3M 41% / |
| 19:52:30 | evilcat | tmpfs 15M 188k 14M 2% /mnt/ramfs |
| 19:52:48 | evilcat | tmpfs would be smaller and my "drive" would be larger |
| 19:53:56 | raduga | usenet is Odd |
| 19:54:16 | raduga | comp.sys.handhelds has only half as much traffic as comp.sys.hp48 |
| 19:55:00 | honeypea | is there any way to fix the upside down keypad on a 3870? |
| 19:55:01 | asuffield | and probably both pale in comparison to alt.sex.chickens |
| 20:00:01 | mallum | mooooooooooo |
| 20:00:40 | asuffield | moooo |
| 20:00:42 | WiseGuy58 | moo |
| 20:00:43 | WiseGuy58 | help |
| 20:04:47 | WiseGuy58 | anyone have experience with ppp? |
| 20:04:58 | mallum | spung[muzzik]: eaten your dinner yet ? |
| 20:06:18 | honeypea | is away: fishing |
| 20:08:13 | evilcat | what does familiar use by default (gui)? |
| 20:09:27 | mallum | jamey_: are you about ? |
| 20:10:48 | asuffield | evilcat: ash, on a serial port |
| 20:11:16 | evilcat | no, like what windows menager does it use? |
| 20:11:23 | evilcat | icewm? |
| 20:11:44 | asuffield | stupid question. whichever one you tell it to use. |
| 20:11:52 | evilcat | by default |
| 20:12:01 | evilcat | when you install task-x |
| 20:12:02 | asuffield | same stupid question. whichever one you tell it to use. |
| 20:12:11 | evilcat | it installs something by default |
| 20:12:14 | evilcat | gr |
| 20:12:29 | evilcat | ok fine, ill just look in the script |
| 20:12:36 | mallum | evilcat: I think matchbox is the defualt |
| 20:12:38 | evilcat | but it installs something by default :) |
| 20:12:39 | evilcat | ok |
| 20:12:45 | asuffield | the only "default" does not install X at all |
| 20:12:51 | honeypea | evilcat: ps -ef | grep wm :) |
| 20:12:54 | asuffield | everything else is done by the user |
| 20:13:08 | asuffield | honeypea: neither sawfish nor ion contain the string "wm" |
| 20:13:15 | evilcat | is there a way i could increase |
| 20:13:21 | evilcat | my storage |
| 20:13:29 | honeypea | ps -ef | grep 'wm|box' |
| 20:13:30 | evilcat | (change the systemfs? |
| 20:13:37 | honeypea | ps -ef | have a look |
| 20:13:55 | evilcat | right now i have 16mb on /dev/mtdblock/1 and 16Mb on tmpfs |
| 20:14:16 | mallum | evilcat: get a cf adaptor and a cf card or udrive |
| 20:14:17 | evilcat | how can i make it so it will be 24mb for mtdblock and 8mb for ram |
| 20:14:25 | evilcat | mallum: ;> |
| 20:14:30 | evilcat | thats not the point |
| 20:14:48 | edwardam | evilcat: tmpfs is aram based IIRC ... which is different from the *flash* ram in the system |
| 20:14:51 | evilcat | i just want to decrease the memory used by tmpfs |
| 20:14:54 | edwardam | s/aram/ram/ |
| 20:14:57 | evilcat | hmm |
| 20:15:01 | evilcat | ok |
| 20:15:08 | evilcat | can i jusst mount it? |
| 20:15:11 | edwardam | mallum: how's it been going? |
| 20:15:18 | evilcat | and create a fs |
| 20:15:23 | evilcat | there, copy the files |
| 20:15:26 | evilcat | adn use that? |
| 20:15:31 | edwardam | evilcat: huh? |
| 20:15:33 | evilcat | i know it wouyld be erased every time |
| 20:15:37 | evilcat | i reboot |
| 20:15:48 | evilcat | but i want do to something like |
| 20:15:53 | evilcat | when the ipaq boots |
| 20:16:04 | evilcat | it would create the fs inside tmpfs |
| 20:16:11 | evilcat | then unpack files there |
| 20:16:19 | evilcat | mount it do /opt |
| 20:16:20 | evilcat | or whatever |
| 20:16:24 | evilcat | then use it from there |
| 20:16:37 | edwardam | evilcat: tmpfs == a dynamic ram disk ... so yes.. |
| 20:16:50 | evilcat | ok cool |
| 20:17:05 | edwardam | evilcat: tmpfs takes memory away from the apps and uses it as a disk ... then releases the memory when the files are deleted.. |
| 20:17:10 | edwardam | evilcat: at least IIRC |
| 20:17:24 | mallum | edwardam: hey dudeo , Im good and you ? |
| 20:17:37 | edwardam | evilcat: the max memory that tmpfs is configured to use is 16mb ...IIRC ... |
| 20:17:44 | evilcat | hmm |
| 20:17:51 | evilcat | ok |
| 20:17:55 | edwardam | mallum: good. Moving soom. How is Matchbox shaping up? |
| 20:18:12 | edwardam | evilcat: otherwise it could grab all system ram ...which would be bad |
| 20:18:27 | evilcat | hmm |
| 20:18:38 | edwardam | evilcat: cf cards are cheap ... and so are cf sleeves IIRC ... |
| 20:18:42 | jamey_ | hi edwardam, nice to see you |
| 20:18:47 | evilcat | 16mb is damn not nice |
| 20:18:50 | jamey_ | edwardam: where are you moving too |
| 20:18:51 | evilcat | i cant fit anything there |
| 20:18:53 | edwardam | jamey_: same same ... |
| 20:19:03 | edwardam | jamey_: Springfield, MO .... |
| 20:19:04 | evilcat | and expantion slots are annoying [; |
| 20:19:05 | mallum | edwardam: yeah is going well, working on 0.3 at the moment - lots of new / improved bits and pieces |
| 20:19:13 | edwardam | mallum: stable? :-) |
| 20:19:14 | evilcat | is there a way to open the ipaq and add memory? |
| 20:19:15 | mallum | edwardam: where are you moving too ? |
| 20:19:26 | edwardam | mallum: Springfield, MO USA |
| 20:19:36 | mallum | edwardam: 0.2 is pretty much, 0.3 ( in CVS ) is no way near ... ;-) |
| 20:19:37 | jamey_ | edwardam: springfield mo will be quite a change! |
| 20:19:44 | edwardam | is moving to the where the Simpsons live. :-) err :-( |
| 20:20:07 | mallum | wonders if edwardam will turn yellow .... |
| 20:20:09 | edwardam | jamey_: yep. I can't find a job out there either ... :-( ... |
| 20:20:20 | edwardam | mallum: bean there .. done that (turning yellow) ... |
| 20:20:37 | mallum | jamey_: http://ibam.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:20:51 | edwardam | I was actually hoping to find france for a bit ... Is he still working with Compaq/HP ? |
| 20:21:14 | jamey_ | edwardam: sorry to hear about the job situation |
| 20:21:23 | evilcat | how do i install the basic x-free without anything just so x would start? |
| 20:21:31 | jamey_ | edwardam: france is still around -- he's been doing qa/debugging for alpha redhat distribution |
| 20:21:36 | mallum | dc_: have you ever managed to get mol to mount a CD ? |
| 20:21:47 | jamey_ | edwardam: I will find france |
| 20:22:22 | PaxAnima | hello |
| 20:22:28 | mallum | jamey_: it just over the channel from england ;) |
| 20:22:53 | edwardam | jamey_: thanks (on both counts).... |
| 20:23:01 | ozioz | HI I NEED HELP |
| 20:23:03 | ozioz | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:23:17 | mallum | ozioz: yeah your caps key is stuck |
| 20:23:21 | edwardam | hehe |
| 20:23:25 | mallum | ozioz: press it again and it'll be fixed |
| 20:23:28 | ozioz | MY BOOTLDR IS TOO OLD AND DON'T ACCEPT MY xmodem |
| 20:23:43 | ozioz | i can't send data |
| 20:23:58 | ozioz | i use windows 2000 with hyperterminal |
| 20:24:30 | ozioz | my bootldr is 2_9_5 version for mlinux |
| 20:25:26 | edwardam | mlinux? |
| 20:25:27 | ozioz | No body know howto??????????????????? |
| 20:25:39 | ozioz | could I change my xmodem maybe ??? |
| 20:25:51 | jamey_ | mallum: thanks for pointing me to france (I just got back from there) |
| 20:25:56 | jamey_ | mallum: and thanks for the url |
| 20:26:05 | mallum | jamey_: looks interesting eh ? |
| 20:26:10 | mallum | jamey_: pity its c++ |
| 20:26:12 | ozioz | yeah a cind of linux |
| 20:26:21 | edwardam | loves voice prompt systems that hang up on you when there is a problem :-( |
| 20:26:27 | mallum | jamey_: it wouldn't compile on powerpc, havn't tried it for arm yet |
| 20:26:36 | ozioz | PLZ HELP |
| 20:26:53 | jamey_ | mallum: it looks interesting |
| 20:27:06 | ozioz | HELP HELP HELP PLZ |
| 20:27:08 | jamey_ | edwardam: no france today. He might be visiting red hat, actually |
| 20:27:28 | jamey_ | ozioz: you have to type faster |
| 20:27:40 | edwardam | jamey_: np. Thanks. I'll try his wife at some point ... I never can seem to keep his phone number around ... just hers :-) |
| 20:27:43 | jamey_ | ozioz: to get the transfer started before the bootldr times out |
| 20:27:54 | mallum | jamey_: IIRC there was a discussion on the lists a while back about needing exactly this type of thing for the ipaq batterys |
| 20:28:03 | jamey_ | edwardam: :) I'm not sure he carries a phone around with him anyway |
| 20:28:09 | jamey_ | mallum: exactly |
| 20:28:33 | edwardam | jamey_: He does have one and sometimes carries it when he is away from home .... :-) |
| 20:28:48 | ozioz | I have to be fast so the xmodem couldt send ???? |
| 20:29:01 | ozioz | jamey ??? |
| 20:29:11 | edwardam | ozioz: yes ... within 2 secs or so IIRC |
| 20:29:24 | ozioz | what the hell is IIRC |
| 20:29:55 | jamey_ | if I remember correctly |
| 20:30:06 | mallum | dc__: have you got mol to mount a cd ? |
| 20:31:04 | dc__ | mallum: !!! |
| 20:31:10 | dc__ | mallum: man, you're a mind reader |
| 20:31:24 | dc__ | mallum: did I say anything I didn't notice? |
| 20:31:38 | mallum | dc__:nope |
| 20:31:42 | dc__ | mallum: right this moment, I'm whacking my iBook, because MOL won't find my CD |
| 20:31:43 | dc__ | hehe |
| 20:31:52 | PaxAnima | MOL? |
| 20:31:54 | dc__ | mallum: I've been working on it for the last 30min, lol |
| 20:31:58 | dc__ | PaxAnima: mac on linux |
| 20:32:07 | mallum | dc__: I think you have to put the cd in before you start mol |
| 20:32:20 | mallum | dc__: and have an entry in molrc |
| 20:32:29 | mallum | dc__: for the cd |
| 20:32:30 | dc__ | mallum: it doesn't like my burnt data cd's |
| 20:32:33 | edwardam | damn Klez virus |
| 20:32:35 | dc__ | mallum: what entry do yo uhave? |
| 20:32:42 | PaxAnima | dc_: ah.... |
| 20:32:55 | edwardam | ozioz: If I Remeber Correctly ... |
| 20:33:10 | edwardam | MOL? |
| 20:33:14 | ozioz | if you corrextly remember what ???? |
| 20:33:23 | edwardam | IIRC == If I Remember Correctly |
| 20:33:30 | ozioz | ohh |
| 20:33:55 | ozioz | It always timed out |
| 20:34:02 | mallum | dc__: blkdev: /dev/cdrom -force -cd |
| 20:34:43 | evilcat | where can i find ps ? |
| 20:34:44 | evilcat | [root@ipaq]~> ipkg search ps |
| 20:34:45 | evilcat | dev-files: //dev/psaux |
| 20:34:45 | evilcat | modutils: //usr/bin/ksymoops/ |
| 20:34:45 | evilcat | shellutils: //usr/bin/groups |
| 20:34:55 | evilcat | the pkgs doesnt seem to have it |
| 20:35:03 | dc__ | psutils? |
| 20:35:24 | evilcat | that would be logical |
| 20:35:28 | evilcat | :) |
| 20:35:35 | edwardam | needs to ressurect his iPAQ's again ... |
| 20:35:41 | evilcat | but ipkg doesnt show it |
| 20:35:51 | ozioz | how FAST I HAVE TO BE SO XMODEM DONT TIMED OUT ???????? |
| 20:35:55 | edwardam | anyone here know the status of the Qt Embedded stuff these days? |
| 20:36:18 | PaxAnima | dc__: the sourcecode for my little pim-project is to be found at http://paranoidandroid.2y.net/psTools/psPIM/ .... for the moment only the date and time functions are there, and some test-apps for the lib. |
| 20:36:22 | grib | ozioz: please stop yelling or go away |
| 20:36:53 | ozioz | how quik i have to be so xmodem dont timed out ?????????????? |
| 20:36:55 | ozioz | plz |
| 20:37:00 | dc__ | mallum: hmm |
| 20:37:02 | jamey_ | ozioz: you have to get the transfer started within a few seconds of when you type 'load bootldr' |
| 20:37:09 | dc__ | mallum: thanks, I got the cd working with -force now |
| 20:37:23 | ozioz | yes i do but it timed out anyway |
| 20:37:24 | dc__ | mallum: but what about unlocking my HFS+ drive ;)? |
| 20:37:29 | ozioz | i tried again |
| 20:37:50 | honeypea | is back (gone 00:31:32) |
| 20:37:57 | Tangent | ozioz: Do you have lrzsz installed? If you go to a command prompt and type sz does it work? |
| 20:38:32 | ozioz | on my handheld ???? |
| 20:38:38 | mallum | dc__: hmm mine dont work :( |
| 20:38:44 | Tangent | no.. on the box with minicom |
| 20:38:53 | ozioz | i dont use minicom |
| 20:38:54 | dc__ | mallum: you put the cd in first? |
| 20:38:59 | ozioz | i use hyperterminal |
| 20:39:01 | mallum | dc__: do you have scsi emulation for the cdrom ? |
| 20:39:04 | dc__ | mallum: don't mount it |
| 20:39:05 | mallum | dc__: yeah |
| 20:39:08 | dc__ | mallum: hmm |
| 20:39:12 | mallum | dc__: not mounting it |
| 20:39:17 | Tangent | ozioz: Oh.. never mind then.. you'll have xmodem capability |
| 20:39:19 | dc__ | mallum: I have mine pointing to /dev/cdrom |
| 20:39:25 | edwardam | ozioz: within 2 sec IIRC |
| 20:39:29 | dc__ | mallum: which goes to /dev/hdb I think |
| 20:39:43 | ozioz | and how could i change???? |
| 20:39:54 | mallum | dc__: mine goes to sr0 |
| 20:40:08 | jamey_ | ozioz: you cannot change it in bootldr 2.9.5, I don't think (and I'm one of the bootldr authors) |
| 20:40:17 | mallum | dc__: I dont know if hfs+ will work |
| 20:40:19 | dc__ | mallum: oh? |
| 20:40:39 | dc__ | mallum: it should, the fs says it's done at block level :/ |
| 20:40:42 | ozioz | so if i am quiker then 2 sec. i could transfer ???? |
| 20:40:48 | jamey_ | yes |
| 20:41:00 | ozioz | ohhhhhh im not a machine |
| 20:41:05 | mallum | dc__: but try this: boot into macos ( no linux ), make a shortcut on the desktop to the hfs+ partition, then try clicking the shortcut under mol |
| 20:41:24 | jamey_ | ozioz: don't be a machine, be an athlete |
| 20:41:34 | ozioz | ok i give my all |
| 20:41:35 | dc__ | mallum: I'm booting off HFS+ |
| 20:41:45 | mallum | ozioz: did you never play daily tomsons decalthlon as a kid ? |
| 20:41:56 | ozioz | so is this in the bootldr 2_19_xxx better ????? |
| 20:42:07 | dc__ | mallum: I've even installed MYOB on it |
| 20:42:19 | jamey_ | ozioz: much better |
| 20:42:45 | ozioz | ok so it will be coorect to first install the bootldr and then reinstall win ce |
| 20:42:48 | honeypea | giggles |
| 20:42:56 | dc__ | honeypea: hey |
| 20:42:59 | dc__ | honeypea: :D |
| 20:43:15 | mallum | dc__: MYOB ? |
| 20:43:31 | dc__ | yay |
| 20:43:36 | honeypea | dc__ :) |
| 20:43:41 | dc__ | mallum: my dad's accounting |
| 20:43:45 | dc__ | mallum: I got it wokring |
| 20:43:58 | dc__ | mallum: I use -boot -rw for hda |
| 20:44:02 | mallum | dc__: you run your daads accounting ? |
| 20:44:04 | honeypea | sorry, i just thought mallum's last comment was funny :) |
| 20:44:34 | mallum | dc__: no wonder you have the money for ipaqs and ibooks etc ;) |
| 20:44:47 | dc__ | mallum: haha |
| 20:44:53 | dc__ | mallum: I'm glad I dont! |
| 20:44:57 | dc__ | mallum: hehe |
| 20:45:09 | dc__ | mallum: he does his, and to many other people's |
| 20:45:23 | ozioz | i try everything to be like a athlete |
| 20:46:02 | ozioz | timed out |
| 20:46:12 | mallum | ozioz: heard of copy and paste ? |
| 20:46:22 | ozioz | yeah i tried |
| 20:46:32 | Tangent | ozioz: I think there's some xmodem_timeout parameter you can tune in the bootloader |
| 20:46:33 | ozioz | now a second time |
| 20:46:47 | edwardam | Tangent: old boot ldr ... Hello BTW |
| 20:46:49 | ozioz | where to find ???? |
| 20:47:06 | ozioz | 2_9_5 bootldr |
| 20:47:13 | Tangent | edwardam: Hi |
| 20:48:31 | ozioz | is it better with minicom ????? |
| 20:51:13 | Tangent | ozioz: With minicom it's Ctrl-A S, Down, Down, Enter, Enter, Enter |
| 20:52:54 | ozioz | but in minicom the time to do this is 2 sec like in windows or ??? |
| 20:53:26 | Tangent | ozioz: The time is the same. The bootloader sets the timeout value |
| 20:53:42 | ozioz | and i could fix this ??? |
| 20:54:06 | Tangent | ozioz: To fix... Install a newer bootloader |
| 20:54:07 | ozioz | couldnt fix this |
| 20:54:13 | Tangent | ozioz: A classic catch 22 situation |
| 20:54:22 | ozioz | but i couldn send data over x modem |
| 20:54:43 | Tangent | ozioz: Try some other comms program |
| 20:54:47 | Tangent | ozioz: Like tera term |
| 20:54:50 | | http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html |
| 20:54:50 | Tangent | ibot tera term |
| 20:55:07 | ozioz | what could be bether with other terminals |
| 20:55:43 | ozioz | what could be better with terraterm ???? |
| 20:55:46 | asuffield | or real the minicom documentation |
| 20:55:49 | asuffield | s/real/read/ |
| 20:56:39 | asuffield | and the sx manpage |
| 20:56:53 | asuffield | it's not exactly a complicated problem, or solution |
| 20:59:28 | Tangent | ozioz: If you can't start an xmodem transfer within 3 seconds then either a.) Your terminal isn't very good or b.) You're not very good |
| 21:00:13 | nelson | edwardam?? That name sounds familiar.... |
| 21:00:23 | asuffield | and if you're typing rx or equivalent commands on the remote host by hand, then you're showing a lack of BBS experience :P |
| 21:00:59 | edwardam | nelson: hah! |
| 21:01:05 | edwardam | nelson: whazzup? |
| 21:01:52 | nelson | Is there a script which runs when a sleeve is inserted? |
| 21:02:02 | nelson | edwardam: I got the !@$#%$! Navman sleeve working!! |
| 21:02:14 | nelson | edwardam: fricking cool gps solution. |
| 21:02:27 | edwardam | nelson: cool. |
| 21:02:28 | nelson | edwardam: so did you get fired or something? |
| 21:03:06 | edwardam | nelson: nah ... My wife is doing her internship in MO ... So I go with her .... plus the company I'm working for now is getting smaller and smaller so ... it's probably just a matter of time until we either go out of buisiness ... |
| 21:03:20 | edwardam | nelson: or they fire everyone except the owner and like a sales person ... |
| 21:03:54 | edwardam | nelson: dang ... I gotta go catch a boat ... I'll be on over the next few days ... chat then ... l8r |
| 21:06:38 | jamey_ | nelson: /etc/hotplug/sleeve.agent or /etc/hotplug/sleeve.rc, can't remember |
| 21:07:44 | nelson | jamey_: tnx. |
| 21:11:03 | jamey_ | nelson: I just got a navman also, but have not tried it yet |
| 21:15:18 | raduga | nelson: got any nice mapping software for it now? :) |
| 21:36:36 | dc__ | night kids |
| 22:08:00 | Kero | hello |
| 22:08:07 | honeypea | hi Kero |
| 22:08:19 | cmarqu | Sorry, I have to ask again: "Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
| 22:08:26 | cmarqu | Hi Kero |
| 22:08:52 | cmarqu | Of course, I have the normal init line in the linuxargs. |
| 22:09:26 | Kero | cmarqu: boot> set linuxargs="console=/dev/ttySA0 init=/bin/sh" or something very much like that |
| 22:09:33 | cmarqu | And I somehow cannot set init=/bin/sh like mallum suggested... (or I am too stupid) |
| 22:09:52 | cmarqu | Kero: params save tells me I have no params partition |
| 22:10:06 | cmarqu | And I also don't have a /boot/params file... :/ |
| 22:10:22 | Kero | why save? just boot. it'll use that value, you fix the problem and on reboot it will use /linuxrc again |
| 22:11:00 | cmarqu | Really? I tried that, it seemed like it was not used... will try again. |
| 22:13:34 | Kero | cmarqu: it is also possible your kernel panics before it actually does something useful with any init, but then it is not supposed to tell you to try another init=... |
| 22:14:31 | cmarqu | Kero: Well, /linuxrc looks fine. |
| 22:14:52 | cmarqu | And now, "Uncompressing Linux.......................................... done, booting the" and sits there. |
| 22:15:17 | cmarqu | Stupid minicom is not linewrapping. |
| 22:17:50 | cmarqu | "..... done, booting the kernel." Do I have no /bin/sh maybe? |
| 22:18:20 | cmarqu | It was indeed upgrading bash last time before I rebooted. |
| 22:18:34 | Kero | ah-ah... |
| 22:18:52 | Kero | (but even minicom should show several dozens of lines before init is started...) |
| 22:18:53 | cmarqu | That would, like, suck, right? |
| 22:19:17 | cmarqu | Disabling LCD controller |
| 22:19:17 | cmarqu | linuxEntryPoint=C0008000 |
| 22:19:17 | cmarqu | Booting Linux image |
| 22:19:17 | cmarqu | Uncompressing Linux.......................................... done, booting the kernel. |
| 22:19:35 | cmarqu | (and stuff before that. But then, it's just sitting there) |
| 22:19:46 | cmarqu | And Tux is on the LCD. |
| 22:20:06 | asuffield | sounds like the kernel has put the console somewhere else |
| 22:20:17 | cmarqu | command line is: mtdpart=bootldr@0x00000000:0x00040000,root@0x00040000:0x00FC0000 console=/dev/ttySA0 init=/bin/sh |
| 22:20:21 | asuffield | (or it could just be broken) |
| 22:20:26 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 22:21:13 | Kero | has had non-responsive kernels like that. It probably is broken. Did you build the kernel yourself? |
| 22:21:15 | cmarqu | notes to self to make a copy of the boot process every now and then for comparison purposes) |
| 22:21:31 | cmarqu | Kero: No, it's a stock 2.4.16. |
| 22:21:43 | asuffield | oh, if you built it yourself, I hope you built serial port support in... |
| 22:22:03 | cmarqu | I was doing an ipkg upgrade, which got me some new modules though. |
| 22:22:13 | Kero | the stock 2.4.18-rmk3-hh6 panics on my h3630... but at least tells me so. |
| 22:23:00 | cmarqu | It was 2.4.16-rmk1-hh18 IIRC. |
| 22:23:29 | cmarqu | Such bad timing. I wanted to show it all off at the Linuxtag tomorrow... |
| 22:24:24 | bladerun | Does anyone know if I can download the handhelds bootloader directly in the iPaq by JTAG interface? |
| 22:25:23 | Kero | bladerun: without a soldering iron and some other equipment, you can't. |
| 22:25:26 | Kero | got a brick? |
| 22:26:15 | bladerun | I have all to reach the JTAG on the StrongARM |
| 22:26:35 | bladerun | no brick, only I'd like to know |
| 22:27:10 | bladerun | And I'd like to try... :) |
| 22:27:37 | bladerun | so, do I can? |
| 22:28:46 | Kero | bladerun: jamey does it to fix bricks. |
| 22:29:26 | Kero | you may want to talk to him before you try :) |
| 22:29:26 | bladerun | yeah... so I'll do experiments soon.. |
| 22:30:02 | bladerun | oh.. he's not here now.. can you give me his email please? |
| 22:30:19 | WiseGuy58 | hey |
| 22:30:26 | Kero | guesses jamey.hicks@hp.com |
| 22:30:38 | | i guess jamey is on vacation 5/23 afternoon until june 4 |
| 22:30:38 | Kero | ibot, jamey? |
| 22:30:43 | WiseGuy58 | feeds/unstable is the correct URL, right? |
| 22:30:54 | honeypea | smiles wistfully at ibot |
| 22:31:00 | | i don't know, kero |
| 22:31:00 | Kero | ibot, date? |
| 22:31:02 | WiseGuy58 | probably old info |
| 22:31:08 | bladerun | thank you very much! |
| 22:31:19 | | kero: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:31:19 | Kero | ibot, WiseGuy58? |
| 22:31:21 | | WiseGuy58: i'm not following you... |
| 22:31:21 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, no, jamey 0wnz j00 |
| 22:31:35 | | ...but jamey is on vacation 5/23 afternoon until june 4... |
| 22:31:35 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, no, jamey is 0wning us all |
| 22:31:40 | | OK, WiseGuy58. |
| 22:31:40 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, no jamey is 0wning us all |
| 22:31:44 | | jamey is on vacation 5/23 afternoon until june 4 |
| 22:31:44 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, jamey? |
| 22:31:47 | honeypea | WiseGuy58, infobots need "is" or "are" |
| 22:31:47 | WiseGuy58 | WTF??!! |
| 22:31:56 | honeypea | to recognise factoids |
| 22:31:56 | | WiseGuy58: I forgot jamey |
| 22:31:56 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, forget jamey |
| 22:32:04 | | OK, WiseGuy58. |
| 22:32:04 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, jamey is 0wning us all |
| 22:32:08 | honeypea | oh :) |
| 22:32:10 | | wiseguy58: i don't know |
| 22:32:10 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, jmaey? |
| 22:32:13 | | rumour has it jamey is 0wning us all |
| 22:32:13 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, jamey?? |
| 22:32:17 | WiseGuy58 | there we go |
| 22:32:22 | honeypea | pats ibot |
| 22:32:36 | | OK, honeypea. |
| 22:32:36 | honeypea | ibot, pats is <action> pats \who back |
| 22:32:39 | honeypea | pats ibot |
| 22:32:44 | honeypea | grr. |
| 22:32:58 | honeypea | pats ibot! |
| 22:33:10 | | ACTION pats who back |
| 22:33:10 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, pats? |
| 22:33:15 | WiseGuy58 | lol |
| 22:33:22 | honeypea | no ibot, pats is <action> pats $who back |
| 22:33:25 | WiseGuy58 | pats ibot |
| 22:33:44 | | ACTION pats who back |
| 22:33:44 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, pats? |
| 22:33:50 | | WiseGuy58: I forgot pats |
| 22:33:50 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, forget pats |
| 22:33:58 | | OK, WiseGuy58. |
| 22:33:58 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, pats is <action> pats $who back |
| 22:34:07 | | ACTION pats WiseGuy58 back |
| 22:34:07 | WiseGuy58 | ibot, pats? |
| 22:34:12 | honeypea | thats it :) |
| 22:34:19 | honeypea | of course, its in require mode |
| 22:34:22 | WiseGuy58 | hmm? |
| 22:34:48 | honeypea | it needs addressing directly. in the other mode, it would respond to an action |
| 22:35:07 | honeypea | optional mode? or whatever its called |
| 22:35:41 | | OK, honeypea. |
| 22:35:41 | honeypea | ibot, i am honey |
| 22:36:00 | bladerun | bye |
| 22:36:10 | honeypea | bye bladerun |
| 22:43:56 | noriko | i chiseled a slab of ice off my freezer, and slabed the freezer, and it released a mild smelling gas |
| 22:44:01 | noriko | is that bad? |
| 22:46:59 | Kero | noriko: probably... |
| 22:47:37 | flypiper | noriko: prolly won't make ice now:( |
| 22:50:30 | noriko | will the fridge still work? |
| 22:50:36 | noriko | is it safe? |
| 22:50:37 | asuffield | not wise to breathe it, either |
| 22:50:44 | asuffield | not likely |
| 22:50:52 | noriko | i took a small nose full |
| 22:50:54 | asuffield | not really |
| 22:51:13 | asuffield | if you die, it's not safe |
| 22:51:18 | noriko | ok |
| 22:51:23 | noriko | ill have to take notes |
| 22:51:53 | asuffield | probably freon or whatever the heck they use nowadays |
| 22:52:05 | noriko | its a very old fridge |
| 22:52:10 | noriko | didn't smell like freon |
| 22:52:17 | noriko | i think i know what it smells like |
| 22:52:28 | noriko | it was like realy old sterile air |
| 22:52:44 | noriko | im not getting a headache |
| 22:53:21 | flypiper | noriko: you will just notice a shortness of breath and pass-out |
| 22:54:03 | WiseGuy58 | hears *thump!!* |
| 22:55:23 | asuffield | some of those things are carcinogenic, so you might notice your lungs inflating to the size of a cannonball and trying to eat your face |
| 22:55:42 | WiseGuy58 | LOL |
| 22:55:50 | noriko | :\ |
| 22:55:59 | noriko | the smell is stuck in my nose though |
| 22:56:32 | flypiper | noriko: the freeon gas is stuck in your lungs:\ |
| 22:57:36 | flypiper | noriko: although I think freeon is heavier than air .... so if you stand on your head it might come out! |
| 22:58:14 | asuffield | probably isn't freon |
| 23:00:50 | WiseGuy58 | i think *.handhelds.org should == *.hh.org |
| 23:00:55 | WiseGuy58 | just like sourceforge.net == sf.net |
| 23:01:05 | flypiper | Chlorodifluoromethane?? |
| 23:01:40 | asuffield | WiseGuy58: you are offering to buy it away from its current owner? |
| 23:02:03 | WiseGuy58 | ooh |
| 23:02:07 | WiseGuy58 | who currently owns it? |
| 23:02:25 | asuffield | <shrug> as the whosi database |
| 23:02:31 | asuffield | s/si/is/ |
| 23:03:06 | honeypea | "iholdings.com" i.e. they'll want $2,000,000 |
| 23:03:22 | cmarqu | Administrative Contact: |
| 23:03:23 | cmarqu | Universal NetSource Inc. EmailSentHereWillNotBeRead@Conical.com |
| 23:03:29 | honeypea | yes :) |
| 23:03:34 | cmarqu | Idiots. |
| 23:03:53 | cmarqu | To give such an e-mail address. |
| 23:06:03 | WiseGuy58 | damnit |
| 23:42:04 | nelson | raduga: yes, pygps. |
| 23:52:38 | mlamb | ok, how can i use my ibm microdrive, trying doing mkfs.ext2 on the drive, but of course the module is not installed to support it, afraid to load a possible kernel package to add that module, last time i did that i lost my filesystem and got a kernel panic and had to reload |
| 23:56:11 | flypiper | mlamb: you will need to put it in a linux nb... or the intimate installer will mkfs.reiserfs on it to install intimate |
| 23:58:54 | mlamb | flypiper: nb? im not worried about install intimate, i just want to use it to store docs/mp3's etc. |