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| 08:28.45 | ts | brad: ping |
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| 12:52.14 | brad | ts: pong |
| 12:54.13 | ts | brad: If you notice strange readings from me at your 2.1 test server just ignore it pls |
| 12:54.47 | ts | I was tinkering with the unstuck code and partly had instant unstuck during testing :) |
| 12:57.46 | brad | ok ts ;) |
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| 17:29.08 | CBG | quantumdot: ping |
| 17:29.42 | quantumdot | CBG: yes? |
| 17:30.08 | CBG | Did TRB talk to you or post on the forum about me? I can host a GU Server in USA if you like. |
| 17:30.25 | CBG | I understand if you prefer that I don't, I have a bad track record, I know... |
| 17:30.54 | CBG | But I can do it if you like. I have a public server at cbg.bzflag.org:4747 already, if you like to check lag. |
| 17:32.44 | quantumdot | you have a bad record, yes :) |
| 17:33.01 | CBG | But I served my time, hehe... :) |
| 17:33.05 | CBG | Like I say, it's up to you... |
| 17:33.24 | quantumdot | it is not up to me, exactly, it is up to GU Admins |
| 17:33.43 | quantumdot | and we have a strict policy on servers and owners |
| 17:33.49 | CBG | According to this: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9946 - players are desperate for a server. |
| 17:34.07 | CBG | Ok, perhaps you would discuss it with the admin team. :) |
| 17:34.11 | quantumdot | a new server is under way |
| 17:34.22 | CBG | Ah.. ok... |
| 17:34.32 | quantumdot | but i will bring your offer too |
| 17:34.41 | CBG | TRB did not talk about this, to you or to the forum ? |
| 17:34.51 | ts | It needs less than 5 hours to set up a server once one has ssh access to it and the connection is ok :) |
| 17:34.53 | quantumdot | at some point i think yes |
| 17:35.14 | CBG | ts: closer to 5 minutes... |
| 17:35.15 | quantumdot | less than 5 h? |
| 17:35.19 | ts | yeah |
| 17:35.25 | quantumdot | less than 15m too |
| 17:35.32 | CBG | I have a map and conf ready... |
| 17:35.44 | CBG | not sure about the groups, but that would be easy... |
| 17:35.49 | ts | CBG: It would cost me an hour to create a safe environment |
| 17:36.09 | CBG | then it is just a matter of logging in and doing ./bzfs -conf gumatch.conf ... |
| 17:36.24 | ts | you can't just run bzfs and specifiy some config files along with a map |
| 17:37.04 | CBG | Yep... you can. :) |
| 17:37.06 | CBG | I will do it now, what mao would you like me to host? :) |
| 17:37.10 | CBG | I can have it running in 10 minutes. |
| 17:37.29 | ts | CBG: What would prevent me from taking control over your entire server then? ;) |
| 17:38.16 | CBG | The bzfs server, or ...? |
| 17:39.00 | ts | CBG: The server needs to run inside some kind of "cave" |
| 17:39.12 | quantumdot | hehe |
| 17:39.16 | CBG | ...? |
| 17:39.21 | ts | It's not trivial |
| 17:39.24 | quantumdot | i guess mofo's are outside the cave ;) |
| 17:39.31 | CBG | I am talking about a bzfs server, dunno about you. |
| 17:39.47 | ts | hehe |
| 17:39.49 | CBG | To access the mofo server you must have a username and password. |
| 17:39.51 | quantumdot | i guess ts is referring to using a mod client to take advantage of the server |
| 17:40.02 | quantumdot | unless it is protexted |
| 17:40.42 | ts | Yeah, I only need to find a security problem in bzfs and I could potentionally take control over an entire server, not just bzfs |
| 17:41.01 | ts | like I could turn it into a spam sending machine |
| 17:41.22 | ts | That is why a special environment is needed |
| 17:41.36 | CBG | ... |
| 17:41.47 | CBG | To start a bzfs server takes me just 10 minutes. |
| 17:42.04 | quantumdot | cbg i think ts means, in case you want it safe |
| 17:42.21 | quantumdot | hosting a server is already a security risk |
| 17:42.43 | quantumdot | so IF you use the machine for other purposes, better not to open the door so easily |
| 17:42.45 | CBG | I don't see how ME hosting z bzfs server is any different to anyone else doing it. |
| 17:42.58 | CBG | My bzfs servers are more of a security risk than anyone elses ? |
| 17:43.11 | quantumdot | if running in the open, yes |
| 17:43.15 | ts | CBG: Depends on how you have set it up |
| 17:43.18 | CBG | eg: all of norang servers ... |
| 17:43.29 | CBG | How what is set up? bzfs? |
| 17:43.31 | Birdie | cbg: what if you missbehave again and we would have to ban you again (not that strange thought, it happened before), we would have to ban you from your own server? |
| 17:43.49 | quantumdot | cbg i guess MANY bfs out there are presently unsecure |
| 17:43.53 | CBG | Birdie: like I said, up to you guys if you want the server or not. |
| 17:44.44 | ts | CBG: Norang uses a website to start/stop servers. I'm sure Thumper has created a good env. |
| 17:45.13 | CBG | Thumper maintains the MoFo server. |
| 17:46.05 | ts | quantumdot: That is because 90% of the people running a server have no clue about what they're doing :) |
| 17:46.17 | quantumdot | ts: i know |
| 17:46.29 | quantumdot | that's what i'm trying to explain to cbg |
| 17:47.13 | QuantumTim | evening all |
| 17:47.23 | quantumdot | i would not run it on a machine that i use for working for instance or where sensible info is stored or where work accounts are set up. Not without a safe env |
| 17:47.52 | CBG | You make it sounds like _I_ am doing something wrong and that only MY bzfs servers are going to bring down the whole internet... but seems to me that I am no different to anyone else. |
| 17:47.55 | quantumdot | once you open ports you are at risk |
| 17:48.25 | quantumdot | cbg, do you check access logs? or ports activity? |
| 17:48.38 | quantumdot | not only bzs, but the rest |
| 17:48.54 | CBG | I do not maintain the server, so no... |
| 17:48.58 | quantumdot | my box here is attacked daily at least 3 times |
| 17:49.01 | QuantumTim | I thought you did? |
| 17:49.03 | QuantumTim | the public one |
| 17:49.17 | CBG | Thumper maintains the MoFo server. |
| 17:49.22 | CBG | I run some bzfs servers on it. |
| 17:49.31 | quantumdot | and i only have ssh port open |
| 17:50.01 | quantumdot | i have banned half asia already and half former soviet union countries |
| 17:50.23 | CBG | crap... g2g to dinner. I will be back later... |
| 17:50.37 | quantumdot | eat well |
| 17:50.48 | QuantumTim | same, I get the odd ssh connection coming in to my box that shouldn't |
| 17:50.59 | QuantumTim | lol quantumdot |
| 17:51.10 | ts | quantumdot: I guess those are the spammers trying to find some open servers |
| 17:51.29 | quantumdot | or looking for a porn host |
| 17:51.34 | quantumdot | who knows |
| 17:52.17 | QuantumTim | I forgot to change my firewall settings when I came back up to uni, so the ssh port was still open on the outside, and I had almost 1500 firewall entries of port 22 being connected to :s |
| 17:52.31 | quantumdot | a few weeks ago we had 300Gb transferred to somewhere, we still dont know what was being hosted secretly in one of our servers, hacked |
| 17:52.31 | QuantumTim | in only about 3 hours |
| 17:54.13 | QuantumTim | quantumdot: care to match? |
| 17:54.21 | quantumdot | i cant, at office |
| 17:54.27 | QuantumTim | heh, okay |
| 17:54.32 | ts | Some of my friends ran a blackbox and looked at what happens |
| 17:54.50 | QuantumTim | Isn't it almost 7pm where you are? |
| 17:54.58 | ts | They got movies uploaded, spammer viruses etc |
| 17:55.19 | ts | and a little webserver to spread the content |
| 17:55.50 | quantumdot | ts: ah then it was YOU! |
| 17:56.03 | QuantumTim | lol |
| 17:56.04 | brad | heh |
| 17:56.36 | quantumdot | at least you could have left the movies on the server geeez |
| 17:56.54 | ts | lol |
| 18:00.37 | quantumdot | now i go home, enough work for the day |
| 18:00.44 | quantumdot | hope to kill some tanks later |
| 18:01.28 | QuantumTim | =) |
| 18:01.34 | QuantumTim | cya quantumdot |
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