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| 18:17.36 | Mc | if we accept a proposal from a student that has applied to several orgs, will the other orgs see which org has accepted the student and have a way to contact us ? |
| 18:19.56 | Mc | (since we asked for [4-5] slots and got 4, if there is an org who had only one good applicant who also applied to us, we could conceivably release one and give our slot to the student we ranked 5th) |
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| 19:16.59 | valorie | Mc: the first org that accepts them and assigns a mentor gets the student |
| 19:17.19 | valorie | there used to be a complicated dedup process but that has been dropped |
| 19:17.38 | valorie | so if you want that student snap them ASAP |
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| 19:48.43 | Mc | yeah but I can still "unaccept" |
| 19:51.53 | Mc | (I did accept all our 4 best ranked when I received the email, and since our 5th told us he had only applied to us, my question was more to see if a conflict can benefit orgs that would have less many students since we have a leeway of one) |
| 19:55.47 | Mc | ah, a new email with the answer to my questions :D |
| 19:59.42 | Mc | (other question : is the number of slots per org public and is it something we can tell e.g. students ?) |
| 20:00.11 | shivam-kapila | No its not |
| 20:00.40 | shivam-kapila | Visible to students at least |
| 20:01.28 | Mc | by "public" I mostly mean "disclosable" (e.g. "whether a student is accepted" is not yet so) |
| 20:02.53 | shivam-kapila | Although as a student I would be eager to know slots/ accepted etc. But I dont think it should be disclosed. P.S. I am only a student so I think the mentor's and OA's opinions count more :) |
| 20:08.17 | valorie | Google tells the students |
| 20:08.21 | valorie | we do not |
| 20:08.30 | valorie | although most of them figure it ou |
| 20:08.33 | valorie | t |
| 20:11.35 | olly | i guess you mean google tell the students if they're accepted or not? they don't tell them the number of slots... |
| 20:12.51 | olly | Mc: I'd probably avoid publically announcing the number of slots you got - students think it's useful information, but it isn't really and it just seems to risk causing uncomfortable situations if you end up not using a slot that you were allocated for some reason |
| 20:14.20 | olly | a student who isn't accepted despite their being a slot available is likely to interpret that as a snub, but it can happen for reasons that don't reflect on the students such as lack of a suitable mentor |
| 20:15.00 | olly | often not every mentor can mentor every project, and some end up being the only one available for multiple projects |
| 20:15.01 | valorie | amen olly! |
| 20:15.45 | valorie | and that's what I tell those students when they ask me why they were not selected |
| 20:16.04 | valorie | "I tried to find a suitable mentor for you but failed to do so" |
| 20:16.36 | olly | I think if you try to accept a student already accepted elsewhere you see contact details for the other org so you can discuss if you want |
| 20:17.04 | Mc | that's what the emails says |
| 20:39.56 | valorie | aha, I forgot that |
| 20:40.14 | valorie | I never had success in getting other other org to give up the student though |
| 20:45.20 | gevaerts | once accepted to have a student go to another org |
| 20:45.47 | valorie | that has happened with us as well |
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| 20:46.15 | valorie | and tbh if the student wanted/wants the other org they will have (probably) a better experience there |
| 20:49.32 | Mc | if they don't express a preference in the application it's hard to know without being able to ask them |
| 20:50.04 | gevaerts | Exactly |
| 20:50.52 | Mc | (one of our application template question is whether they applied to other orgs, but we don't ask for preference (I think we should not ask, it can bias us, but there could be a way for them to provide info to google to solve conflicts)) |
| 21:27.57 | olly | we ask if they've applied elsewhere and if they have we suggest that if they have a preference they make sure at least one org knows it |
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| 23:19.37 | valorie | olly: we do too, but they don't always tell us |
| 23:19.58 | valorie | and have been known to conceal a few details we really would like to know |
| 23:20.17 | valorie | although I'm sure none of the students here did that |
| 23:20.20 | valorie | lol |
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| 23:23.26 | olly | valorie: if they don't answer questions honestly then I don't feel bad if they maybe don't end up with their preference |
| 23:24.01 | valorie | true, but I prefer students who are happy to be with us |
| 23:24.29 | valorie | because our fundamental goal is to make them KDE Developers for evah |