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| 05:25.52 | abhijeetviswa | Did the GSOC timeline change? |
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| 05:31.42 | olly | abhijeetviswa: yes |
| 05:33.55 | abhijeetviswa | When? :O |
| 05:34.27 | abhijeetviswa | I thought we'd get an email. And what about the peeps who already submitted their proposals and included dates from the previous timeline? |
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| 05:51.04 | olly | abhijeetviswa: i got an email on March 24th |
| 05:51.25 | olly | i'm an org admin - it's not clear to me from the email who it was sent to though |
| 05:52.18 | olly | it does seem it could have been better communicated - as you say people may have already submitted proposals |
| 05:53.02 | olly | the phrasing in places suggests it's probably an email to mentors and org admins |
| 05:53.40 | olly | there's an extra week for reviewing proposals and an extra week in the community bonding |
| 05:53.59 | olly | if the new dates don't work for a student, they should be OK to start on the original start date though |
| 05:54.24 | olly | we've had students start coding early in previous years, to allow for exams, etc in the coding period |
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| 06:09.59 | valorie | yes, we've OK'd students starting early as well |
| 06:10.07 | valorie | timelines aren't set in stone |
| 06:10.24 | valorie | they are a guide to the coding period |
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| 08:26.19 | hii | anyone here? |
| 08:27.27 | teepee | yes |
| 08:28.11 | hii | just wanted to know, how things work in here. i just landed here |
| 08:30.40 | teepee | it's a chat, nothing special :-) |
| 08:31.43 | hii | it doesnt require any credentials while login in? |
| 08:32.36 | teepee | it's helpful here on freenode in case there's a spam wave again, and some channels require it, but you can try without first |
| 08:34.12 | hii | and we are talking on gsoc channel right now? |
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| 15:25.18 | danny | Hi |
| 15:25.24 | danny | Test |
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| 15:27.10 | teepee | I'd say test successful :) |
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| 15:30.36 | danny | That is indeed so |
| 15:30.38 | abstrekt | any body online? |
| 15:30.43 | abstrekt | it's an emergency |
| 15:30.58 | danny | I was wondering where I could find the template for applying, cause I cannot seem to find it |
| 15:31.18 | abstrekt | can I use a code snippet of an open-source library in my proposal by providing the appropriate credits & links? |
| 15:31.20 | teepee | there is no common template, if you refer to the proposal |
| 15:31.49 | abstrekt | anybody?>?? |
| 15:31.58 | teepee | abstrekt: yes, otherwise it would not be open source |
| 15:32.05 | abstrekt | you sure? |
| 15:32.23 | teepee | well, in the offical meaning, which is also required by GSoC |
| 15:32.36 | teepee | what license is the code you want to link? |
| 15:33.12 | abstrekt | bsd |
| 15:33.20 | abstrekt | it free for commerical and non commercial |
| 15:33.28 | abstrekt | my mentors are saying yes i can |
| 15:33.34 | abstrekt | still i'm confirming |
| 15:33.57 | teepee | bsd is certainly fine, 3-clause BSD may required the extra attribution, but not sure if that applies to snippets too |
| 15:34.40 | teepee | so if you add the copyright info you should be expemplary I guess |
| 15:34.55 | teepee | disclaimer: no legal advice here though |
| 15:35.11 | abstrekt | okay thank you |
| 15:36.31 | teepee | but very good thinking about that topic. not everyone does |
| 15:37.18 | abstrekt | are you a student or a mentor teepee? |
| 15:37.42 | teepee | I was mentor a couple of times, and might be this year too |
| 15:38.08 | abstrekt | where are you from> i'm from India, first time applying |
| 15:38.31 | teepee | germany, good luck then with the proposal |
| 15:38.51 | teepee | uploaded the final version I hope? :) |
| 15:40.18 | abstrekt | yeah, but still needs some editing! back to my work! thank you again |
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| 16:05.30 | teepee | hi srichakradhar |
| 16:06.47 | danny | thanks teepee |
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| 17:50.01 | quazirfan | Hello. I was wondering if there could be a possible extension in the student application deadline due to Covid-19. |
| 17:53.33 | Mc | you mean extend it from "within ten minutes" to later ? |
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| 18:03.36 | jimmy94 | All the best :) |
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| 18:06.23 | bm | Hi everyone |
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| 18:06.51 | Guest1531 | I submitted the proposal but looks like the academic enrollment did not go through |
| 18:06.59 | Guest1531 | what will happen now? |
| 18:07.20 | Guest1531 | am I not qualified? |
| 18:10.38 | PulkoMandy | did you wait until the last minute to submit things when you had two weeks to do so? Why take that risk? |
| 18:11.23 | Guest1531 | I lost track and focused to the application |
| 18:11.59 | Guest1531 | I came to know when I saw the slack channel |
| 18:12.26 | Guest1531 | its just so unfortunate, I have the enrollment verification pdf with me but cannot upload it :( |
| 18:12.40 | shivam-kapila | Try mailing gsoc team just now |
| 18:13.01 | PulkoMandy | too late for this year. There will be no exceptions on this |
| 18:13.07 | PulkoMandy | no need to waste your and the GSoC team time on that |
| 18:15.14 | Guest1531 | I am really sorry :( |
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| 18:18.58 | r0bby | Good luck all |
| 18:21.22 | Guest1531 | I am graduating next year and wont be able to participate in GSoC, if not this year :( |
| 18:22.52 | carols | if you're really interested in contributing to a FOSS project, why not consider just starting to contribute to one? |
| 18:23.17 | carols | you don't need GSoC to get involved in FOSS. |
| 18:24.40 | zleap | something like this https://whatcanidoforlibreoffice.org/#!/progornoprog/advocate |
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| 18:32.10 | Guest1531 | I took a week to decide and research for the GSoC project and did several reviews on the application |
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| 18:38.00 | tagglink | Hello! I'm a registered student for GSOC, and I have a final version of my submission prepared. But I forgot to submit it before the deadline. Is there any way to make a late submission? My final version is here: https://tagg.link/proposal.pdf |
| 18:38.35 | mindfreeze | Guest1531: In the website, blogs and all other places, it was clearly mentioned the deadline is hard, it was announced months before, and it is just a matter of carefulness, unfortunately it did not happen. |
| 18:38.39 | mindfreeze | Guest1531: Maybe in future you can apply when you join some uni for higher studies and always remember that gsoc is not pinnacle glory you can get in life. There are lot of things you can do and way better than gsoc. Try harder and be more careful next time. |
| 18:38.54 | PulkoMandy | tagglink: no, there isn't. Too late for this year, sorry |
| 18:39.33 | mindfreeze | Guest1531: I think this would be better learning experience you can get so you will hopefully never make the same mistake in future :). take things in nicer way |
| 18:39.44 | mindfreeze | it is bit hard but life is hard |
| 18:40.30 | tagglink | Alright, thank you! I don't mind as open source isn't supposed to be about money, and I would contribute either way. This was just a good opportunity to do it in a self-sustaining way. I see that it's difficult to make exceptions! |
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| 19:20.35 | ssk | the deadline already passed didn't it? |
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| 19:23.40 | teepee | for student application? yes |
| 19:25.18 | ssk | teepee thanks for confirming! |
| 19:26.35 | ssk | anyone know of any other similar programs currently running? |
| 19:26.48 | ssk | I know of Outreachy, but I don't qualify for that one |
| 19:27.53 | teepee | there's one I heard about, but I think that's just local in germany |
| 19:30.36 | ssk | not in Germany, but thanks :) |
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| 19:41.07 | Quozl | anyone got something written that will take the export gsoc-2020-proposals.csv and download each of the PDFs? |
| 20:07.21 | valorie | I imagine someone on the mentors ML will share one |
| 20:14.08 | Quozl | We got 49 proposals from 42 students. Most made one proposal, seven students made two. Each of our 14 project ideas got between one and ten proposals. We had one novel idea. We had two spam. |
| 20:17.55 | valorie | I got 10 proposals overnight! |
| 20:18.07 | valorie | one already in teh dumpster -- no timeline |
| 20:18.22 | valorie | the two spams are already in there |
| 20:19.27 | valorie | oh goody, looky this one, titled: Proposal for KDE Community |
| 20:19.38 | valorie | My project can be summarized to be a balance in between UI and backend programming. I have had a lot of experience before with handling both these components and thus I am sure that the app will benefit a lot from my knowledge. |
| 20:19.45 | valorie | \o/ |
| 20:20.07 | Quozl | I'm guessing sarcasm? ;-) |
| 20:21.10 | valorie | how could you tell? |
| 20:21.14 | valorie | lol |
| 20:21.49 | Quozl | KDE community doesn't strike me as one that would benefit from a student who thinks they have a lot of knowledge. ;-) |
| 20:21.59 | Quozl | Actually, any community. ;-) |
| 20:22.50 | valorie | the good news is that they did mention something specific about the app they want to develop |
| 20:22.59 | valorie | but barely |
| 20:23.52 | Quozl | Have any of your students engaged with your community? We've a small number. Lots of them haven't even subscribed to our mailing list. |
| 20:24.27 | olly | the problems only start if they don't have the knowledge they think they have |
| 20:24.42 | valorie | most of them |
| 20:24.51 | valorie | so far, none of the last minute ones |
| 20:25.27 | valorie | olly: very unlikely that any of the new ones I've read so far have a chance |
| 20:25.33 | Quozl | I suspect the last minute ones have actually spent their final moments of worry to make a proposal to some other organisation. |
| 20:25.52 | valorie | one might -- sounds like he was in communication with the team and only uploaded at the end |
| 20:26.15 | Quozl | Are we allowed to share the student e-mails with other orgs to look for those panicked students? ;-) |
| 20:26.35 | olly | there's probably more useful ways to spend your time |
| 20:26.42 | Quozl | (I suspect not). |
| 20:29.04 | olly | wow, this proposal seems to consist entirely of two screenshots from some SQL viewer thing |
| 20:29.40 | anuj63[m] | My proof of enrolment got rejected for missing dates but it does have a valid until date which is fine according to the instructions. Does anyone know where to contact someone? |
| 20:30.08 | olly | !support | anuj63[m] |
| 20:30.08 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 20:30.24 | olly | hmm, did the bot | syntax change? |
| 20:30.54 | anuj63[m] | olly: Thankyou! |
| 20:30.59 | Quozl | maybe the matrix nick suffix confused it? try it on me. |
| 20:31.15 | olly | !support | Quozl |
| 20:31.15 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 20:31.21 | olly | !support @ Quozl |
| 20:31.22 | gsocbot | @ Quozl: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 20:31.27 | Quozl | yay. |
| 20:31.32 | olly | aha, it did |
| 20:31.41 | olly | !support @ anuj63[m] |
| 20:31.42 | gsocbot | @ anuj63[m]: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 20:31.48 | olly | so matrix nicks ok |
| 20:31.53 | Quozl | !support olly |
| 20:31.54 | gsocbot | Quozl: Not a factoid |
| 20:40.43 | Quozl | hmm, two students have had a public discussion which, basically, is a plagiarism claim. i'm not that good at finding similarities. any good tools out there? |
| 20:42.08 | olly | one from the other, or from some external source? |
| 20:43.11 | Quozl | one from the other. but the proposals also contain expansions of checklists that i produced before gsoc, so i know there will be some of my stuff in them. |
| 20:43.12 | valorie | how would either of them know what the other submitted? |
| 20:43.27 | Quozl | they asked for review on mailing list. |
| 20:43.36 | valorie | huh |
| 20:43.57 | valorie | that's sort of asking for problems of that sort |
| 20:44.00 | valorie | I would think |
| 20:44.04 | olly | it's usually clear which way the copying happened at least - just look at who posted the text in question first |
| 20:44.06 | Quozl | next year i might suggest we not do that. |
| 20:44.44 | valorie | unless it is two friends helping one another out on *different* projects |
| 20:45.06 | valorie | there is really no reason that fellow students should see their proposals |
| 20:45.27 | valorie | that's just asking for trouble |
| 20:46.01 | Quozl | they have been bouncing off each other in pull requests, so i don't know how serious they are. |
| 20:46.12 | olly | proposal filename: "...._MyResume.pdf" |
| 20:46.14 | valorie | also this is the perfect situation for doing coding tests or so |
| 20:46.17 | Quozl | (i.e. clear signs of collaboration). |
| 20:46.25 | Quozl | indeed, coding tests would be good. |
| 20:46.32 | valorie | different problems for each |
| 20:46.51 | valorie | nothing wrong with collaboration |
| 20:47.12 | valorie | we encourage students to help one another out |
| 20:47.45 | valorie | but not on the proposals except as I said, if they are different projects |
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| 21:15.09 | Quozl | Used pdftotext and sim_text programs from poppler-utils and similarity-tester. It was my own work in the project idea they copied and enlarged upon. No issue with that. |
| 21:15.41 | r0bby | plagiarism doesn't give me high hopes that the student has any ethics... |
| 21:15.56 | r0bby | nor do I believe anything they say at that point. |
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| 21:29.43 | valorie | I don't see some restating of the Idea we published as plagiarism |
| 21:34.57 | r0bby | One pulled most of their proposal from OpenMRS docs |
| 21:35.11 | r0bby | Which is worrying |
| 21:35.22 | valorie | that is, yes |
| 21:35.48 | valorie | unless it is quote - response of how I will improve, iterate |
| 21:36.34 | r0bby | No, a lot of it was explaining it as if they were applyting for OpenMRS |
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| 21:43.50 | yusufketen15 | Hello, I've applied to GSOC. I uploaded my proposal. However, timeline was changed. So, there is an error about timeline in my proposal. Google pushed the end of the program back by 2 weeks. |
| 21:43.55 | yusufketen15 | Is there anyone who has any idea what can I do about it? |
| 21:44.12 | olly | yusufketen15: tell the org you've applied to |
| 21:44.49 | yusufketen15 | Will this cause me to be directly rejected? |
| 21:44.52 | olly | it's good to keep talking to them anyway |
| 21:44.58 | olly | no |
| 21:45.17 | olly | they should be aware the timeline was modified (and if they aren't, good to make them aware) |
| 21:46.06 | olly | assuming the mentors are OK with it, you should be able to start coding early (for the new timeline) and effectively work to the old one |
| 21:46.36 | olly | so it shouldn't be a problem if you have a clash for the new last two weeks |
| 21:49.09 | valorie | hopefully |
| 21:49.19 | valorie | timelines are never set in stone |
| 21:49.33 | valorie | life always alters our plans |
| 21:49.45 | valorie | the key is communication, as olly says |
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| 21:51.25 | dasabhi | this is probably a long shot |
| 21:51.45 | dasabhi | but i didnt notice that the deadline was 24 hours and i missed the deadline just now |
| 21:51.55 | dasabhi | is there any way i can still get my proposal in |
| 21:52.10 | dasabhi | was on a 24 hour clock* |
| 21:55.27 | teepee | no, that's not possible, sorry |
| 21:55.29 | r0bby | yusufketen15: timelines can be tweaked |
| 21:55.32 | olly | not without a time machine |
| 21:55.56 | r0bby | dasabhi: no exceptions are made. |
| 21:56.31 | valorie | this is why I tell all the students -- upload early and often |
| 21:56.52 | olly | dasabhi: it's not much consolation, but for next time submit a "final" version early and update it |
| 21:57.15 | olly | also if you submit a draft version early you can usually get useful feedback from the org |
| 21:57.34 | dasabhi | yeah i understand |
| 21:57.44 | dasabhi | thank you anyways |
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