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| 05:46.39 | finax | at what time will the results of GSoC be announced today |
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| 06:25.53 | gsuu | today,from where will the selected candidates get to know the results? |
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| 06:46.17 | valorie | when you get the email you will know, gsuu |
| 06:46.27 | valorie | until then, you don't know |
| 06:51.33 | gsuu | all emails to be sent by UTC 1800 today? |
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| 07:42.06 | apurvanandan[m] | When is the names of selected students releasing? |
| 07:42.21 | gsuu | 1131 IST |
| 07:42.29 | gsuu | PM |
| 07:43.32 | apurvanandan[m] | 11:30 PM IST? |
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| 07:48.30 | gsuu | yes, ie 18:00UTC |
| 07:49.43 | apurvanandan[m] | Thanks |
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| 11:20.25 | Snow-Man | hrm, no gsod channel...? are folks here familiar with that program? |
| 11:20.59 | teepee- | yes |
| 11:21.40 | teepee- | there's no real concensus regarding channel, but I'm voting to just stay here for general topic |
| 11:21.50 | teepee- | but it's not my decision :) |
| 11:22.13 | Snow-Man | so, we're getting software developer-types, and prior-GSoC students and whatnot, asking about being in GSoD, but they aren't, to my eye anyway, experienced technical writers |
| 11:22.35 | teepee- | yes, I've seen that too so far |
| 11:23.25 | Snow-Man | I've been pointing them to the GSoD stuff that basically says that one should be an experienced technical writer and telling them to talk to Google if they're not sure about their qualifications |
| 11:23.37 | Snow-Man | not sure what others are doing or have seen or if anyone has thoughts about this. |
| 11:23.55 | teepee- | pretty much the same, yes. |
| 11:24.38 | teepee- | as it's the first year, we don't know much about details yet so I'm asking people to review the guides published by google add their own judgement |
| 11:24.59 | teepee- | as I expect the proposal application to be quite some work, and the guide asks for work samples |
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| 14:29.22 | JP_ | only some hours to go |
| 14:31.07 | teepee- | wonders if the bot still knows what to do |
| 14:31.08 | teepee- | !tea |
| 14:31.09 | gsocbot | teepee-: Have some tea and try to relax! |
| 14:31.40 | JP_ | teepee-: thanks for the tea! :) |
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| 14:41.35 | JP_ | Gonna have to make a tough decision if I end up getting accepted to both GSoC and this internship I had a promising final round interview with last Friday |
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| 14:43.07 | Guest95027 | Please do not waste a GSoC slot. |
| 14:46.58 | JP_ | Guest95027: there's a chance I might not get the internship but they'll tell me by Friday |
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| 14:50.43 | isra | hi. is there a concrete hour for the results, or will it be "during the day"? |
| 14:51.08 | Manaskashyap[m] | there is i think so |
| 14:51.15 | Guest95027 | isra: 18:00 UTC |
| 14:51.27 | isra | ok, thanks! |
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| 14:52.40 | faux__ | All the best to all candidates. |
| 14:55.16 | apurvanandan[m] | Thanks |
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| 15:02.02 | JP_ | 3 hours to go |
| 15:02.51 | Manaskashyap[m] | heart skipping beats |
| 15:03.19 | Guest95027 | Manaskashyap: are you a mentor? |
| 15:03.54 | Manaskashyap[m] | nope , i am also an applicant |
| 15:04.46 | Guest95027 | good luck :) |
| 15:05.11 | Manaskashyap[m] | thank you so much really need it |
| 15:05.15 | Manaskashyap[m] | its my last GSOC |
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| 15:09.04 | Mc | nah, if all goes well, after that you become a mentor :D |
| 15:10.00 | Manaskashyap[m] | hahah yeah , but i want to be a particiapnt for one time in my college history |
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| 15:10.40 | Siddharth | Good luck everyone! |
| 15:10.58 | Mc | remember it's not about luck |
| 15:11.24 | Mc | it's about regular contact with your org, discussions on your project with the mentors, etc |
| 15:11.26 | Guest2678 | Yeah I know it depends upon your research |
| 15:11.35 | Guest2678 | Yeah |
| 15:12.25 | Manaskashyap[m] | yeah , hoping for best let everyone get what they deserve |
| 15:13.03 | JP_ | Mc: good reminder! |
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| 15:29.46 | Manaskashyap[m] | lets see what happens |
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| 16:03.22 | michiboo[m] | let me know if u get in |
| 16:03.50 | Manaskashyap[m] | who me ?? |
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| 16:20.45 | ankitpriyarup | Where can I find logs of this channel? |
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| 16:23.52 | michiboo[m] | yea xD |
| 16:24.04 | michiboo[m] | but like everyone |
| 16:25.07 | michiboo[m] | 30 mins to go ... |
| 16:25.51 | rchatto | michiboo: 1hr 30mins |
| 16:26.19 | Manaskashyap[m] | <michiboo[m] "yea xD"> hahaha well if i dont still i will let you know |
| 16:26.28 | Manaskashyap[m] | well used to the rejection |
| 16:26.31 | teepee- | !logs |
| 16:26.48 | teepee- | hmm, no logs anymore it seems |
| 16:27.53 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: I somehow think you will tho xD |
| 16:29.12 | Manaskashyap[m] | <michiboo[m] "Manas kashyap: I somehow think y"> thanks for motivating words from last 1 year , i have heard this and still rejection at my feets , so , if i will and i wont i will let you know , by the way thank you so much for such motivation |
| 16:29.13 | Manaskashyap[m] | by the way are you mentor ? |
| 16:29.47 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: No just a student applying gosc :D |
| 16:30.39 | Manaskashyap[m] | <michiboo[m] "Manas kashyap: No just a student"> oh i see , hope you get selected , best wishes from me and lemme know if you get selected |
| 16:30.50 | Manaskashyap[m] | on which org you have applied ? |
| 16:33.25 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: software heritage you? |
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| 16:33.36 | Manaskashyap[m] | debian |
| 16:35.12 | Manaskashyap[m] | is it your second GSoC ?? |
| 16:35.58 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: nope I just found out this year gsoc exist xD |
| 16:36.08 | michiboo[m] | you? what did you apply to last year? |
| 16:36.28 | Manaskashyap[m] | yeah i applied to Debian also last year and got rejected |
| 16:38.38 | michiboo[m] | did they gave any feedback? |
| 16:39.55 | Manaskashyap[m] | yeah i asked mentors what was wrong in my proposal and they told me , that i havent got experience till that time to the proejct in which i applied , so its been a year now from that i worked a lot , hope i got selected this year , |
| 16:40.36 | michiboo[m] | then for sure you will get selected this time |
| 16:42.21 | Manaskashyap[m] | thank you ad hoping for best , just the thing is everytime i try my best, still i got rejected , so hoping this time i have done my best for the org and projects |
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| 17:02.20 | icaropires | I'm not gonna survive another hour! |
| 17:02.32 | Sahaj | When are the results anouncing?? |
| 17:02.50 | icaropires | Sahaj: at 18h UTC |
| 17:02.55 | Chaosgrille[m] | 61min |
| 17:03.03 | rchatto | Sahaj: in 58mins |
| 17:03.13 | Sahaj | Okay thanks:) |
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| 17:03.45 | loganaden | hello |
| 17:04.49 | loganaden | list of announced students will be available in around 1 hr right ? |
| 17:05.02 | y_morin | !timeline |
| 17:05.18 | y_morin | Aha, does not work! |
| 17:05.56 | y_morin | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline |
| 17:09.27 | Freso | They should have been announced now. No announcement why theyâre not, AFAICT. |
| 17:10.15 | y_morin | Freso: 18:00 UTC is in about 50min, no? |
| 17:10.33 | Freso | Oh, right, thereâs DST now. |
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| 17:18.09 | band28 | When are the results coming out? |
| 17:18.18 | Freso | band28: 18:00 UTC |
| 17:18.54 | icaropires | has anyone been accepted by mozilla already? |
| 17:19.19 | Freso | We wonât know until 18:00 UTC. :) |
| 17:19.24 | perepujal | Usually some minutes later as they have to send thousands of emails at once |
| 17:19.25 | band28 | ok. The time was never mentioned in the official website |
| 17:19.54 | faux__ | It is check the timeline |
| 17:20.24 | icaropires | Freso: omg, I'm trying mozilla as well |
| 17:20.43 | Freso | Iâm not⦠|
| 17:21.02 | icaropires | Freso: Ah, ok. I was asking about another years |
| 17:21.16 | Freso | band28: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline : "May 6 18:00 UTC Accepted student proposals announced" |
| 17:21.31 | michiboo[m] | result is out?? |
| 17:21.40 | Freso | icaropires: I mean, itâs not Mozillaâs first year, so Iâm pretty sure they have students from previous years⦠|
| 17:21.48 | Freso | michiboo[m]: No, not until 18:00 UTC. |
| 17:22.20 | band28 | Freso: Thanks. I overlooked it |
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| 17:26.08 | collin19 | Which one do we get first? email or the updated dashboard? |
| 17:26.47 | Manaskashyap[m] | <michiboo[m] "result is out??"> nope |
| 17:27.16 | Cervator | likely the dashboard, as emails may take a while to get to everybody. Yet the site may also go sluggish to respond right at the point of announcements |
| 17:27.41 | Cervator | users mashing F5 and all that :-) |
| 17:27.46 | icaropires | Freso: ok.. |
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| 17:29.07 | icaropires | Manaskashyap[m]: How do I answer a specific message on IRC? |
| 17:30.13 | Manaskashyap[m] | <icaropires "Manas kashyap: How do I answer a"> i am using riot , i am on matrix side |
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| 17:33.25 | faux__ | <icaropires "Manaskashyap[m]: How do I answer"> <name "message"> you can try this |
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| 17:34.28 | Zash | On IRC you generally just mention the nickname of who you're replying to. |
| 17:36.14 | icaropires | Zash: Me too. Sometimes is cool reference messages on private conversations |
| 17:37.11 | icaropires | faux__: Oh, I tought that don't need to write the message |
| 17:37.32 | icaropires | Manaskashyap[m]: I didn't know riot, cool! |
| 17:37.49 | faux__ | You can do that too anyway if you write someone's name it will highlight the message for them anyway |
| 17:38.11 | Manaskashyap[m] | <icaropires "Manas kashyap: I didn't know rio"> hahaha , yeah its really cool |
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| 17:43.06 | tragcano | Are the results announced ? |
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| 17:43.15 | Manaskashyap[m] | nope |
| 17:43.45 | tragcano | Any idea by when? |
| 17:44.03 | Manaskashyap[m] | more 16 min |
| 17:44.10 | tragcano | Oh |
| 17:45.04 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: good luck! |
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| 17:45.31 | Manaskashyap[m] | same to you, and hope for best |
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| 17:55.13 | ankitpriyarup | 5 mins all the very best everyone ^_^ |
| 17:55.43 | rchatto | All the best |
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| 18:00.45 | Manaskashyap[m] | time is here |
| 18:01.25 | loganaden | is there a publc announcement of all of the projects ? |
| 18:02.12 | rchatto | check dashboard |
| 18:02.57 | Manaskashyap[m] | not selected |
| 18:03.17 | rchatto | <rchatto "check dashboard"> gsoc dashboard |
| 18:04.06 | mayanksha | Does it show as Project | Proposal thing when selected? |
| 18:04.25 | mayanksha | And specifically, what does it show when not selected? I haven't received any mails. :/ |
| 18:04.42 | cristobal | india summer of code |
| 18:04.55 | Cervator | congratulations to those selected, and for those not remember that you can likely still work with your desired org in some capacity and likely apply again next year. Odds for selection in the future go way up if you stick around and show activity :-) |
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| 18:07.07 | cristobal | @mayanksha you can also check your organization page on the gsoc website and go to link "view projects", those are the ones selected |
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| 18:12.01 | Manaskashyap[m] | michiboo: whats ur status |
| 18:13.32 | rchatto | no email yet :/ |
| 18:14.32 | icaropires | you can login on gsoc platform as well |
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| 18:14.53 | Siddharthsen | Not selected :P |
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| 18:33.19 | lesderid | are acceptance e-mails being sent out? |
| 18:33.26 | Freso | lesderid: They should be. |
| 18:33.28 | lesderid | I got accepted, but I didn't get an e-mail |
| 18:33.45 | Cervator | yep it can take a while for all the emails to finish |
| 18:33.59 | lesderid | ah ok, thanks |
| 18:44.02 | saish_ | Sorry Saish |
| 18:44.02 | saish_ | Your proposal has not been selected this year. There were a lot of submissions and it was difficult to narrow it down. We encourage you to try again in the future. |
| 18:44.03 | saish_ | ;-( |
| 18:44.14 | saish_ | is it becuz my proof of enrolment ??? they didnt mail anything about 2nd verification after i uploaded ... |
| 18:45.46 | saish_ | so the problem is not of proof of enrollment becuz the date was not 2018-2019 so i was waiting fro the reply from 2nd time verification but it didnt came |
| 18:45.46 | saish_ | website just says ur proposal is conditionally accepted and now today it shows that POE has accepted |
| 18:46.06 | Cervator | saish_: there are way more good students than can be selected every year. In many cases it is just a numbers game - not everybody can be picked |
| 18:46.35 | Cervator | orgs are not involved in the POE they select proposals independently |
| 18:46.36 | Manaskashyap[m] | In my case project is removed |
| 18:46.57 | Manaskashyap[m] | Last year and this happened |
| 18:48.59 | saish_ | Cervator: so my problem is i hv submitted doc. which states 2016-17 ...and i heard that unless poe has been accepted mentors cant view ur proposal |
| 18:49.01 | saish_ | is that true ? |
| 18:49.32 | meflin | no it is not |
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| 18:50.43 | Cervator | you should have been directly engaging with mentors anyway. In my org we don't even look at the GSOC site for most the student application period, we work directly with students and they just send us links to proposals (usually GDocs they'll later submit via the GSOC site) |
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| 18:51.48 | Cervator | we base our selection entirely on that sort of student interaction, POE and similar doesn't factor in at all and we've never been unable to pick a student we wanted to pick over issues like that |
| 18:52.02 | saish_ | ok |
| 18:52.09 | Mc | I don't think we even see the proof of enrollment, on the project side |
| 18:52.14 | Cervator | nope |
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| 18:53.22 | Mc | it's either "student is ok per google rules" or "google says this student is not eligible so you can't select him/her" but projects don't judge on that |
| 18:55.19 | perepujal | when I was mentor I remember having to turn down so many students (~9 out of 10), some were poor, but some were great and had to turn them down anyway |
| 18:55.31 | perepujal | this is the worst part of gsoc for me |
| 18:56.15 | Manaskashyap[m] | <perepujal "when I was mentor I remember hav"> my project is removed |
| 18:56.26 | Cervator | it really is. Turning down good students sucks :-( we try to offer a sort of "unofficial" side project that's more self-driven yet structured a bit like GSOC, complete with a little stipend we can offer ourselves. But of course that doesn't get the recognition of something involving Google |
| 18:57.25 | perepujal | yea, orgs with infrastructure can do this |
| 18:57.50 | faux__ | Can you add a feedback section so we know where we went wrong as this can be confusing. Also we can then work on it so we have better chance of performing well next time? Just a thought |
| 18:58.31 | Cervator | in my org we always encourage students to ask the mentors for that exact sort of feedback. We're more than happy to give it. Most students just never ask. So i'd suggest reaching out to your org to ask :-) |
| 18:59.00 | faux__ | Hmm I am waiting ;) |
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| 19:00.05 | faux__ | But tbh usually it's not advised to message somebody personally on IRC (most of the orgs have this in their code of conduct) hence my suggestion |
| 19:01.25 | perepujal | Manaskashyap[m]: talk to the org you submited the project to, they are the ones who could tell you |
| 19:01.53 | Manaskashyap[m] | yeah i mailed them |
| 19:02.02 | faux__ | It also will be like spam for the org maintainers/mentors as the number of students not getting selected will be more than the ones do so everyone will be asking them why they didn't select them so... ð¤·ââï¸ |
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| 19:05.08 | Mc | Cervator: +100 |
| 19:06.53 | icaropires | Manaskashyap[m]: My project was removed as well |
| 19:06.55 | Mc | there is only one student out of several that we rejected and for who the answer to "why" is not "well, we did not hear from you before" |
| 19:07.26 | michiboo[m] | icaropires: what do you mean project is removed? |
| 19:08.48 | icaropires | michiboo[m]: I tried one of the suggested projects, but no one was selected to this project. Not enough slots at Mozilla |
| 19:09.25 | Manaskashyap[m] | no in my project i had one slot and stilly project isnt there |
| 19:09.45 | Manaskashyap[m] | michiboo: are you selected |
| 19:09.46 | michiboo[m] | how do you know your project is removed? |
| 19:10.03 | michiboo[m] | Manas kashyap: I did'nt have email yet |
| 19:10.51 | Manaskashyap[m] | <michiboo[m] "Manas kashyap: I did'nt have ema"> check the dashboard |
| 19:10.52 | Mc | michiboo[m]: accepted projects are now public on https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/ |
| 19:14.03 | loganaden | good luck to everybody |
| 19:14.21 | loganaden | btw, is there a breakdown of selected participants according to nationality ? |
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| 19:17.42 | lesderid | oh yeah, that would be interesting to see |
| 19:20.38 | perepujal | for statistics see https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/resources/stats |
| 19:22.20 | Mc | success rate is pretty consistent at ~87% since 2009 |
| 19:26.37 | perepujal | note anyway that the numbers are just numbers, don't apply to each particular case |
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| 20:01.06 | baba28 | Congrats to everyoen who got accepted. Any idea when we are getting the official mails from Google? |
| 20:01.28 | meflin | soon it takes a while to send them all |
| 20:02.27 | olly | it's also worth checking your spam folder |
| 20:02.29 | baba28 | @meflin soon as in hours/days? I have no idea, hence asking |
| 20:02.45 | olly | even if you use gmail, gsoc mails can end up there |
| 20:02.50 | meflin | probably hours check your spam tho |
| 20:02.54 | meflin | some have gone out I think |
| 20:03.06 | baba28 | ok, thanks |
| 20:03.26 | rchatto | not in spam as well |
| 20:03.27 | rchatto | :/ |
| 20:03.47 | olly | baba28: if you can see yourself in the list on the website then that's as official as the email |
| 20:04.00 | rchatto | anyone received the email? |
| 20:04.14 | baba28 | Yeah, that goes without saying, but still waiting for that official google mail |
| 20:10.37 | lesderid | I just got my e-mail fwiw |
| 20:11.08 | baba28 | @lesderid what's the org? |
| 20:11.25 | lesderid | the D language |
| 20:11.43 | lesderid | the e-mail gets sent by Google though |
| 20:11.58 | lesderid | and your org may or may not sent additional mails |
| 20:13.34 | baba28 | ok. got it |
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| 20:27.07 | JordiGH | Huh, was no project really selected? https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5389784319524864/ |
| 20:29.30 | olly | JordiGH: it happens sometimes |
| 20:31.28 | JordiGH | Hm, this makes us look bad, eh? |
| 20:31.39 | JordiGH | I haven't been involved with GSoC in a while, but I do wonder what happened. |
| 20:31.53 | lesderid | olly: because no proposals got accepted or because the org didn't get any slots assigned? still not entirely clear to me how this works |
| 20:32.20 | olly | if the org asked for slots they'll have got at least 1 |
| 20:32.36 | olly | perhaps they felt none of the proposals/applicants were good enough |
| 20:32.51 | lesderid | ah, and it's completely up to the org to decide which proposals (if any) to accept, right? |
| 20:33.04 | JordiGH | Yeah. |
| 20:33.04 | olly | or maybe they selected a student who failed the second round of checks on the proof of eligibility or pulled out very late |
| 20:33.30 | JordiGH | How many slots did Octave have? Is that visible? |
| 20:33.34 | lesderid | right, that's good to know |
| 20:33.35 | olly | no |
| 20:33.38 | olly | you'd have to ask them |
| 20:33.47 | olly | i don't think it makes them look bad |
| 20:33.48 | JordiGH | Well, I am them, sort of. |
| 20:33.59 | JordiGH | I guess I'll have to track down who was in charge. |
| 20:34.04 | JordiGH | I think it was Nir. |
| 20:34.09 | meflin | not selecting students doesn't make you look bad, taking bad students instead does |
| 20:34.12 | olly | right, i thought you might be |
| 20:34.34 | olly | yeah. google would presumably rather orgs took none than took some just to "look better" |
| 20:34.36 | lesderid | JordiGH: it's a shame, Octave could use some more attention imo |
| 20:34.57 | JordiGH | lesderid: We're probably not doing a good job attracting candidates if we couldn't accept any. |
| 20:35.06 | valorie | it's hard to get the word out to prospective students |
| 20:35.11 | valorie | even for big orgs |
| 20:35.16 | valorie | much more for small ones |
| 20:35.28 | JordiGH | Octave also is kind of a high barrier... it's not git, it's C++, it's not on github... |
| 20:35.42 | valorie | github? |
| 20:35.45 | valorie | ick |
| 20:35.48 | valorie | KDE isn't on github |
| 20:35.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, my thoughts exactly, but everyone tells me that without github you scare people away. |
| 20:36.03 | valorie | well, I guess we mirror our codebase there, but don't use it |
| 20:36.18 | JordiGH | I think someone put an Octave mirror on github too, not sure how up-to-date it is. |
| 20:36.19 | r0bby | We also got low interest |
| 20:36.26 | valorie | I don't want anyone who is "scared away" because they can't use freaking github |
| 20:36.30 | r0bby | When our PHP project was in for GSoC -- we got A LOT of interest |
| 20:37.08 | valorie | KDE is almost mostly C++ |
| 20:37.17 | lesderid | JordiGH: yeah, I gotta be honest, I looked at Octave, but didn't write a proposal for it because it looked like it would be very hard for someone new to the project |
| 20:37.19 | valorie | we got too many good students |
| 20:38.05 | r0bby | and no it doesn't look bad |
| 20:38.19 | r0bby | Google wants to spend its money on students who are going to be successful |
| 20:38.23 | fundamental | looks like a nice ideas list as well, though it is sorta my domain |
| 20:38.48 | r0bby | They don't penalize you for not having a good student |
| 20:39.30 | JordiGH | I haven't really been in the mood to do GSoC for a while and it was making me grouchy, so I stopped being involved. |
| 20:39.30 | PulkoMandy | we are also not on github and C++ and we did manage to get some students. Not much, but that's ok |
| 20:39.36 | JordiGH | But now I'm worried that we got no one. |
| 20:39.38 | lesderid | (as a start, for Octave specifically, I think the 'Help Us Get To Know You' section on the ideas page could be worded better) |
| 20:39.45 | PulkoMandy | (we wouldn't have enough mentors if we were more popular anyway) |
| 20:39.59 | JordiGH | lesderid: I think you can rewrite it yourself so please go ahead. |
| 20:40.12 | rchatto | Any NOC required from the university for GSoC? |
| 20:40.16 | meflin | JordiGH: things ebb and flow on apps , good to take a look but do not obsess |
| 20:41.18 | valorie | JordiGH: it's good to step back when you are burned out |
| 20:41.27 | valorie | in fact, before that happens! |
| 20:41.38 | r0bby | JordiGH: I was fighting through depression myself during things |
| 20:41.46 | r0bby | but if you're burned out -- step back |
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| 20:42.38 | rebel | Hello |
| 20:43.11 | rebel | I have a query can someone help me solve that |
| 20:43.24 | valorie | perhaps if you ask |
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| 20:43.26 | rebel | Is it legal to do GSoC and a internship together |
| 20:43.43 | valorie | it might be legal but it will kill you |
| 20:43.53 | meflin | legal maters should be answered by lawers |
| 20:43.57 | meflin | we are not |
| 20:44.00 | valorie | honestly, GSoC is the equivalent of a full time job |
| 20:44.23 | Sedictious | Hello! I got accepted into gsoc but didnt get any email. Its my scond time participating, is this normal? |
| 20:44.24 | valorie | do a great GSoC or do the internship |
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| 20:44.32 | valorie | but please don't try to do both |
| 20:44.33 | fundamental | lesderid: looking at that section, it provides links to communication channels, provides a prompt to do some communication, and provides general notes about communication styles. It seems informative without getting too wordy IMO. |
| 20:44.58 | valorie | Sedictious: check your spam folder |
| 20:45.08 | Sedictious | Checked not there :/ |
| 20:45.16 | olly | rebel: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#how_much_time_does_gsoc_participation_take seems clear "If you already have an internship, another summer job, or plan to be gone on vacation for more than a week during that time, GSoC is not the right program for you this year." |
| 20:45.40 | Sedictious | And Im subscribed to both mailing lists if it matters |
| 20:46.08 | rebel | If I can handle the work load will it be allowed by program managers |
| 20:46.20 | rebel | I can get the consent of the company I am interning with |
| 20:46.33 | Sedictious | And my profile/project shows up fine |
| 20:46.44 | fundamental | rebel: I would strongly +1 the concerns about burnout |
| 20:46.54 | lesderid | fundamental: that's true, but it's worded somewhat too 'assertively' imo |
| 20:47.00 | meflin | emails are still going out |
| 20:47.31 | Sedictious | Ok thanks for letting me know! I was afraid I messed up something :/ |
| 20:47.45 | rchatto | Is NOC from university required? |
| 20:47.46 | perepujal | rebel: anybody can work 80 hours/week one or two weeks, but not the entire summer |
| 20:47.48 | meflin | just starting to get mine |
| 20:48.00 | olly | almost all our failed students are due to taking an internship and trying to hide it |
| 20:48.04 | r0bby | rebel: legal? sure...will you fail GSoC...highly likely |
| 20:48.26 | fundamental | lesderid: yeah, that's hard to avoid if you want clarity+brevity. Do you think that it could realistically be adjusted without resulting in a number of new contributors skimming (thus missing info)? |
| 20:48.40 | r0bby | rebel: you should have known this weeks ago |
| 20:48.53 | olly | we're very clear up front that they shouldn't do that, but there will always be people who think they know better and can do 16 hours/day of technical work |
| 20:48.54 | rebel | I was able to manage my contributions easily |
| 20:49.03 | rebel | I am not a lot concerned about the effort part |
| 20:49.12 | rebel | As I really trust that I would be able to handle it |
| 20:49.12 | olly | rchatto: maybe you should explain what NOC means |
| 20:49.23 | fundamental | rebel: a few contributions are very different than sustained longer term in-depth work |
| 20:49.25 | r0bby | rebel: that's not the problem. The problem is you SHOULD NOT do an internship and GSoC |
| 20:49.39 | lesderid | fundamental: yeah it's not easy, for sure. and I'm not sure, I'm not really a community manager kind of person :) but I do think some other projects have similar sections that are a little more inviting |
| 20:49.39 | r0bby | GSoC itself is a FULL TIME job |
| 20:49.40 | olly | rebel: i'm sure all the students we've failed thought that too |
| 20:50.30 | r0bby | rebel: Congrats though, you just stole a spot from someone who didn't try to over-commit themselves... this is covered in the FAQ too. |
| 20:50.35 | fundamental | lesderid: Yep. I'm trying to be in more of a community manager role, so I'm trying to find that balence, in-part by looking at what seems to mesh (or not) for other projects. |
| 20:51.09 | rebel | robby: I surely did my best and would do that over summer |
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| 20:51.24 | rebel | and pass the evaluations |
| 20:51.45 | meflin | unlikly |
| 20:51.53 | r0bby | rebel: HIGHLY unlikely |
| 20:52.08 | meflin | rebel: you did inform your org/mentors before selection didn't you? |
| 20:52.34 | rebel | Yes I did and they were fine If I am able to provide commitment to the project |
| 20:52.49 | r0bby | rebel: what is your project if I may ask? |
| 20:52.51 | JP_ | rebel: I have one remote internship, one physical internship, and GSoC. I already completed my GSoC project with blog posts scheduled. Do your GSoC before your internships start before you can |
| 20:53.07 | r0bby | JP_: wait, what? |
| 20:53.21 | fundamental | that's a lot of interning |
| 20:53.36 | rebel | :D |
| 20:53.47 | fundamental | hopefully there's at least one additional semester off |
| 20:53.55 | r0bby | JP_: What was the code quality? |
| 20:54.36 | JP_ | r0bby: rebel: don't do what I said, I was trolling :) |
| 20:55.02 | r0bby | JP_: Oh, I thought you were serious |
| 20:55.09 | rebel | I thought so too |
| 20:55.13 | rebel | for a moment |
| 20:55.17 | r0bby | rebel: GSoC is a full-time job |
| 20:55.17 | JP_ | I wonder if anyone ever did that though lol |
| 20:55.28 | olly | JP_: that really wouldn't work - at least somewhere in the 3 months you'll hit something that you've done in an unsuitable way |
| 20:55.30 | rebel | I have heard people doing that and managing |
| 20:55.41 | olly | and then all the work after that needs reworking |
| 20:55.47 | rebel | but they all say it will burn you out completely |
| 20:55.52 | r0bby | rebel: Guess who has seen this repeated year upon year? Mentors. |
| 20:55.54 | JP_ | Olly: yeah it's a recipe for disaster |
| 20:55.57 | rchatto | <olly "Rohit Rajat Chattopadhyay: maybe"> NOC: No Object Certificate |
| 20:56.20 | r0bby | rebel: What org? |
| 20:56.22 | olly | rchatto: i've never heard of it, but email support if you want an official answer |
| 20:56.26 | JP_ | I do know one student who pulled of GSoC and an internship, I don't know how he did it though |
| 20:56.27 | olly | !support @ rchatto |
| 20:56.28 | gsocbot | @ rchatto: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 20:56.30 | valorie | hmm, have never heard of that |
| 20:56.46 | rchatto | ok thanks :) |
| 20:56.56 | valorie | I'm not saying that it *cannot* be done |
| 20:57.00 | valorie | but it should not |
| 20:57.07 | JP_ | agree |
| 20:57.13 | valorie | it is not fair to you, to your company, or your org |
| 20:57.22 | rebel | Thanks for the advice I will try mailing officially |
| 20:57.25 | valorie | you have to sleep, and have fun |
| 20:57.33 | valorie | life is more than work |
| 20:57.39 | r0bby | rebel: you already stole a spot from a student who could have used it already |
| 20:57.46 | fundamental | I could only see it making sense if only one was mentally taxing |
| 20:57.57 | perepujal | well, a student I had did university + gsoc at same time, he started gsoc right at the bounding period and managed to perform right |
| 20:57.57 | JP_ | r0bby: I'm not sure I'd call it stealing :/ |
| 20:58.08 | JP_ | I see your point though |
| 20:58.15 | olly | it's very hard for me to say for sure that we've never had a student manage it, but it's been pretty obvious for the students who tried and failed so I think it's unlikely |
| 20:59.00 | perepujal | he warned in advance and now he has been mentor |
| 20:59.00 | r0bby | JP_: No, they did. That slot could have gone to another org |
| 20:59.27 | r0bby | perepujal: That's different |
| 20:59.33 | r0bby | school != internship |
| 20:59.35 | JP_ | r0bby: oh you mean they're not continuing with GSoC and already knew they're doing the internship before the e-mail wen tout asking to withdraw if not? |
| 20:59.38 | fundamental | r0bby: it depends at what point the internship was negociated |
| 20:59.39 | JP_ | then yes I agree |
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| 20:59.59 | olly | it's also rather different if the org knows and you make a plan to get a head start |
| 21:00.07 | r0bby | fundamental: They had weeks to withdraw |
| 21:00.21 | olly | rather than having another significant time commitment and trying to hide it |
| 21:00.38 | JP_ | what if they find out after the withdrawal time that they got the internship? |
| 21:01.31 | valorie | then they should decide, one or the other |
| 21:01.47 | valorie | and if they decide on the internship -- the org feels cheated |
| 21:01.55 | valorie | this happened to us before |
| 21:01.59 | fundamental | r0bby: perhaps I missed the message when they stated when they accepted the internship, but it should be reasonable to be in a position where multiple applications are ongoing at the same time. Once one is accepted though, that obligation should be forfilled notifying other pending applications as need be |
| 21:02.00 | valorie | KDE |
| 21:02.20 | r0bby | fundamental: It seems like they accepted both |
| 21:02.26 | valorie | from the student POV it is entirely different, I'm sure |
| 21:02.28 | r0bby | or maybe I assumed |
| 21:02.45 | fundamental | r0bby: which I agree is the problem, though that could have occured after slots were assigned |
| 21:02.56 | fundamental | thus it isn't neccessarily available for a different org |
| 21:03.04 | fundamental | though perhaps for another student within the org |
| 21:03.16 | r0bby | Perhaps but another student could have been selected in their place...it's too late to select an alternate |
| 21:03.41 | fundamental | based upon what I saw I'm guessing that situation happened to my org with a student withdrawing after a slot was assigned but before it was announced |
| 21:03.55 | JP_ | valorie: I understand the feeling. but what if the internship pays significantly more with opportunity for full time conversion and the student didn't expect to get it? it's a tough choice for the student too. some might feel pressured to do both so organization doesn't feel cheated, some might drop GSoC |
| 21:04.23 | valorie | ours dropped GSoC |
| 21:04.33 | JP_ | oh I'm sorry :( |
| 21:04.39 | valorie | and yes, we felt burned, and yet it is the student's choice to make |
| 21:05.02 | valorie | IMO that is better than limping along and trying to do both |
| 21:05.15 | valorie | because that leaves everyone burned |
| 21:05.21 | JP_ | oh I agree |
| 21:05.33 | valorie | so I hope rebel rethinks his stance |
| 21:05.40 | JP_ | some people just want to watch the world burn |
| 21:06.21 | JP_ | not referring to anyone here, just making a statement |
| 21:06.34 | fundamental | also, presumably some students have yet to hit solid burnout so it's hard to understand the risks |
| 21:06.39 | r0bby | The other thing students fail to understand is that they burn bridges |
| 21:06.55 | r0bby | I would never select a student who didn't know their limits |
| 21:07.04 | valorie | r0bby: bingo |
| 21:07.21 | r0bby | "I can do an internship and GSoC" |
| 21:07.34 | r0bby | Riiiight and I have a bridge to sell you |
| 21:07.35 | valorie | trust is lost, and it's very hard to rebuild that |
| 21:11.01 | JP_ | it sucks google can't reassign the unused slots |
| 21:11.45 | valorie | yes |
| 21:11.53 | r0bby | JP_: they probably could but won't. It wouldn't scale. |
| 21:12.49 | fundamental | I'd expect the key problem which can't be worked around with speedy reassignment is that there is too much latency given collaborators in different timezones |
| 21:13.16 | valorie | yes |
| 21:13.38 | valorie | the lead times seem so long until you are an admin trying to get everyone on the same page |
| 21:13.55 | valorie | then it's barely time enough |
| 21:14.21 | fundamental | and if you rush people then poor/inaccurate decisions are bound to be made |
| 21:14.40 | olly | AIUI it's possible to fill a slot before the deadline |
| 21:15.00 | olly | it's just challenging to if there's not much notice |
| 21:16.21 | r0bby | I remember one year I was talking with my team and trying to find an alternate when one of our selected students became ineligible |
| 21:16.37 | r0bby | It happened during the second qualification check |
| 21:16.58 | olly | the email to org admins seems clear "You may wish to think about whether there is another student proposal that would be your "backup" student project should one of the students you selected be ineligible or withdraw from the program before the May 6 announcement." |
| 21:18.18 | r0bby | In the event that happens -- I think Google will contact us |
| 21:18.25 | r0bby | BUT it's not possible prior |
| 21:19.43 | JP_ | The person who chooses internship over GSoC should let another alternative student chosen by the org work in their name and mail the paychecks to the student. Problem solved /s |
| 21:20.20 | valorie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.48 | meflin | not apropriate |
| 21:24.17 | olly | JP_: i don't think you're helping here |
| 21:26.21 | perepujal | I earn X and let the job to you for X - WHY, so I earn Y to do nothing but to lie |
| 21:27.21 | JP_ | I put /s for sarcasm |
| 21:27.22 | JP_ | sorry |
| 21:29.03 | valorie | we need to be at our best here for the students, not sarcastic |
| 21:30.55 | JP_ | ok :) |
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| 21:46.07 | JordiGH | Oh, there it is. |
| 21:46.08 | JordiGH | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-octave/2019-05/msg00033.html |
| 21:46.11 | JordiGH | Nir was in charge. |
| 21:46.14 | JordiGH | Guess we didn't get good applicants. |
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| 21:57.21 | r0bby | JP_: you need to make your sarcasm more obvious. |
| 21:57.34 | r0bby | and yeah -- less sarcasm and ore seriousness. |
| 21:59.18 | r0bby | here are some cute kitties: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxHUio6FznB/?igshid=84po1q6u65f3 |
| 22:00.22 | JordiGH | I only see one. |
| 22:08.46 | valorie | I'm worried about that black shape at the bottom of the photo |
| 22:09.22 | valorie | my cat is mighty cute but totally rolled in a ball rn, not much to take a photo of |
| 22:09.34 | valorie | bumpy ball of fur |
| 22:10.42 | achillion | Fur balls are perfectly acceptable photo subjects |
| 22:11.16 | valorie | true |
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| 22:13.52 | Shinde258 | I'm a newbee . I want to contribute in the field of web dev. Can someone please guide me through |
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| 22:17.31 | AMR-KELEG | Congrats everyone :) |
| 22:17.49 | AMR-KELEG | Hope we can all have a great summer of contributions! |
| 22:18.05 | JP_ | r0bby: thanks for the cute kitty |
| 22:18.18 | Shinde258 | I'm a nwe bee and want to start with web dev can someone guide me through it |
| 22:18.36 | JP_ | JordiGH: this is the first time I'm seeing an organization not chose anyone. I wonder why Octave didn't get any qualified participants |
| 22:19.10 | olly | Shinde258: you're too late for gsoc this year, but you can still find an org and just get involved |
| 22:19.40 | olly | JP_: it's certainly not the first time |
| 22:19.42 | JP_ | Shinde258: check out freecodecamp.com for web dev, also codecademy.com |
| 22:20.20 | JordiGH | JP_: Yeah, me neither, but better to accept no one than to deal with bad applicants. |
| 22:20.43 | JP_ | olly interesting |
| 22:21.04 | JP_ | JordiGH: yes it's better for the open source project |
| 22:21.29 | olly | probably a combination of needing skills that fewer applicants have (seems most unis predominantly teach java these days), not being perceived as a "hot topic" area by students, and some bad luck |
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| 22:22.20 | olly | usually our machine learning projects get disproportionate interest, though not so much this year |
| 22:22.38 | JP_ | oh I see |
| 22:23.10 | olly | but we've had half our proposals being for one ML project in the past |
| 22:24.36 | fundamental | heck, we got proposals for unrelated ML topics |
| 22:42.54 | r0bby | fundamental: I got some good ones this year |
| 22:43.07 | r0bby | By good I mean I laughed pretty hard |
| 23:01.43 | JP_ | noting for next year, make r0bby laugh. in a good way. ??? profit |
| 23:08.03 | r0bby | JP_: eh -- I have a collection of the bad proposals :) |
| 23:09.13 | JP_ | r0bby: i will top them! ;) |
| 23:09.23 | r0bby | JP_: the bar is pretty low for that |
| 23:11.09 | JP_ | r0bby: share the worst if u can pls |
| 23:11.31 | JP_ | not identifying info |
| 23:11.33 | JP_ | just the deets |
| 23:18.39 | r0bby | One looked like a ransom letter for one |
| 23:19.22 | r0bby | Don't submit your final year project proposal...with your team member's names attached; don't subnit an idea without contacting us |
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| 23:26.07 | valorie | the all-time worst for KDE that I recall was a couple of years ago |
| 23:26.29 | valorie | a screenshot of some digital certificate earned or won by this student |
| 23:26.33 | valorie | that was it |
| 23:27.00 | valorie | no precis for the front page, nothing |
| 23:31.06 | r0bby | and then of course there's the Most Desirable Organization one, which I wish I had |
| 23:31.19 | r0bby | I never actually saw that one -- I wish I did .3 |
| 23:31.24 | r0bby | lol |
| 23:31.41 | r0bby | 2014 and 2018 were the years I sat out |
| 23:32.47 | JP_ | lol |
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