| 00:01.57 | olly | no, but I'd check if you've filled in any other fields on the form |
| 00:02.24 | olly | we can't see the student UI though |
| 00:05.02 | rachelly | basically how it looks for me is it has two steps: upload proof of enrollment, and upload proposals |
| 00:05.18 | rachelly | the proof of enrollment wasnt letting me upload so i already submitted two proposals |
| 00:05.51 | rachelly | the problem with the proof of enrollment is that it has an upload button which takes me to a window with the options upload and cancel. upload is greyed out |
| 00:06.33 | olly | !support @ rachelly |
| 00:06.34 | gsocbot | @ rachelly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 00:07.03 | olly | you're unlikely to find google staff here at 8pm on a Sunday their time so email is probably your best option |
| 00:07.16 | rachelly | okay! thank you so much |
| 00:08.27 | olly | though you might find a fellow student here can answer |
| 00:20.46 | valorie | personally I would try another browser or two |
| 00:21.04 | valorie | if the proof hasn't already been uploaded |
| 00:21.36 | olly | gone already... |
| 00:21.40 | olly | but that's a good thought |
| 00:22.20 | olly | i wonder how many PDF proposals google get uploaded in place of proof of enrollment |
| 00:27.40 | valorie | huh |
| 00:27.54 | valorie | that's a thought |
| 00:28.02 | valorie | but time to fix dinner |
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| 04:43.35 | cbilt | hm, if i had known that some orgs were low this year i would have applied to more than one |
| 04:48.32 | valorie | cbilt: for us it was more like half in the past week |
| 04:48.54 | valorie | so late to get mentors to comment on all of them |
| 04:49.02 | valorie | and new ones even today! |
| 04:51.23 | olly | i think the number of applications has been lower since the stipends started being adjusted by PPP |
| 04:51.45 | olly | it has been for us certainly |
| 04:52.08 | valorie | there are more orgs |
| 04:52.20 | valorie | so I think students have more choices |
| 04:52.26 | olly | though we've mostly lost the really poor quality ones |
| 04:52.33 | valorie | yes! |
| 04:52.35 | olly | oh true, i hadn't considered that |
| 04:52.45 | valorie | even the worst of them this year isn't BAD |
| 04:52.49 | valorie | just incomplete |
| 04:52.57 | valorie | not one spam yet |
| 04:53.06 | valorie | ::knocks on wood:: |
| 04:53.24 | olly | same here |
| 04:59.43 | mandeep | what is PPP? |
| 05:00.48 | mandeep | oh i see now |
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| 06:30.19 | GrayR00t | HELP |
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| 07:05.45 | wittycodes | hi all, cheers, one question is recurring among some people here |
| 07:07.01 | wittycodes | how many proposals get to get selected for a particular idea of an organisation? |
| 07:07.53 | Ivanovic | "it depends on the org" |
| 07:08.25 | Ivanovic | but in many orgs I would expect that only one candidate gets selected for a certain idea / area simply because of availability of mentors |
| 07:08.30 | wittycodes | like looking into previous records and an avg figure would be good enough |
| 07:08.56 | Ivanovic | then the average for sure is 1.0001 for the "selected proposals" |
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| 07:09.38 | r0bby | wittycodes: Typically one. The ideas match 1:1 to proposals. |
| 07:09.47 | Ivanovic | what does help though is actually talking and working with the orgs themselves |
| 07:09.58 | Ivanovic | they will be able to tell you what they do and how they do things |
| 07:10.05 | valorie | !support |
| 07:10.06 | gsocbot | valorie: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 07:10.06 | Ivanovic | in fact they will even help you improve your proposal! |
| 07:10.17 | wittycodes | thankss ivanovic |
| 07:10.27 | wittycodes | i am totally getting what u discussed |
| 07:10.36 | r0bby | Whatever you do -- DO NOT submit a proposal and not talk to us -- I personally mark those as spam and ignore htem |
| 07:10.43 | r0bby | them* |
| 07:10.51 | r0bby | wittycodes: ^^ |
| 07:10.56 | Ivanovic | what he said! |
| 07:11.51 | wittycodes | yeah for sure, i must inform about me submitting a proposal in a welcomming and discussive way |
| 07:11.53 | valorie | it's very sad to see finals uploaded with no discussion |
| 07:11.58 | valorie | just sad |
| 07:12.08 | Ivanovic | wittycodes: it is a lot more than that |
| 07:12.10 | valorie | because we usually just have to discard/ignore them |
| 07:12.18 | valorie | and that's a lot of wasted work |
| 07:12.26 | Ivanovic | wittycodes: you should be actively discussing the proposal, the idea the org has and how to best tackle things |
| 07:12.39 | Ivanovic | every project and their codebase are different, as are the orgs approaches to problems |
| 07:12.54 | r0bby | wittycodes: Ideally you are seeking feedback on drafts --The ones who submit their proposals without talking to us are the ones we will not ever select |
| 07:12.56 | Ivanovic | so if you do not engage them early in the process: you will be unable to create a good proposal |
| 07:13.32 | valorie | amen |
| 07:13.32 | r0bby | Ivanovic: not only that -- we are evaluating if we believe you will stick around afterwards and be successful...not engaging us is a red flag |
| 07:13.36 | Ivanovic | that is the best applicants often already start some work in related areas to show that they are able to get in |
| 07:13.58 | wittycodes | hmm, ones project compatablity with orgs platform and software inclusveness & adhesiveness must be good enough |
| 07:14.03 | Ivanovic | plus able to show that they fit into the culture of the org |
| 07:14.18 | Ivanovic | anyway, off to work, CU |
| 07:16.11 | wittycodes | thanks again @Ivanovic, @valorie and @r0bby |
| 07:16.18 | wittycodes | for all your comments |
| 07:22.31 | valorie | yw |
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| 07:32.13 | r0bby | wittycodes: Not a problem at all |
| 07:32.42 | r0bby | I don't even waste my time trying to email you. |
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| 07:50.31 | Quozl | apart from argue with each other, what's an org admin to do if another org admin adds lots of mentors the first org admin doesn't believe can do the mentor role? |
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| 08:11.23 | achillion | <@olly> achillion: i think somebody just told the bot the time in CEST --- Much less impressive :| |
| 08:12.44 | achillion | <@valorie> achillion: ..... --- I was just trying to be encouraging |
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| 15:59.13 | r0bby | Quozl: I trust my org admins judgement -- so you should too. |
| 15:59.57 | r0bby | I should say co-Org Admins -- we're co-equal -- none of us have more power, I just happen to have strong opinions on how certain aspects are run but beyond that if one of them says a mentor is qualified, I will no question it |
| 16:01.41 | r0bby | Quozl: That is just how things played out over at LibreHealth, could be entirely different for you -- HOWEVER state your case diplomatically and listen to their response |
| 16:05.17 | r0bby | Hope that helps |
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| 17:59.48 | dawar | how do i come to know that how many people have applied for particular organization so far? |
| 18:14.22 | Mc | as a mentor/org admin ? |
| 18:15.15 | Freso | dawar: As a student: you ask them (but not all may want to divulge). As a mentor/admin, thereâs probably some way in the interface. |
| 18:15.34 | Mc | as a mentor you can just look at the list :D |
| 18:16.07 | r0bby | dawar: I wouldn't tell you that information personally. Reason is that it doesn't matter much in the end |
| 18:17.05 | r0bby | Since I require everything happen openly within my org, you kind of know who is a applying for what project |
| 18:17.57 | Mc | it does not give you an estimate of the actual number of proposals on the site, but an estimate of those who will be carefully read |
| 18:18.57 | dawar | okay thanks robby and Fresco....just wanted to know as an applicant for GSOC |
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| 18:21.21 | r0bby | dawar: not going to be helpful to you. |
| 18:21.34 | r0bby | You won't get any insight from it |
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| 18:26.06 | dawar | robby : okie-dokie :)) |
| 18:28.23 | r0bby | GSoC is a numbers game |
| 18:28.47 | r0bby | At the end of the day we get a limited number of slots that often are less than the number of proposals we get |
| 18:29.36 | Freso | Mc: Mailing list (etc.) is not necessarily a completely accurate method to see number of applicants. Probably to gauge it though. |
| 18:30.33 | Freso | E.g., I know that we have a couple of draft proposals on our forums that I think withdrew before uploading a final one on the GSoC site, and I think there are also some that applied directly to GSoC and never posted a draft publicly. |
| 18:30.35 | r0bby | Freso: in our case with how I set things up - it's easy to see how many students show interest |
| 18:30.44 | Mc | I think we could get more slots than we ask for every year but usually lack good applicants |
| 18:30.52 | r0bby | But yeah as you said -- not all will submit final proposals |
| 18:31.00 | Freso | Like I said, can be useful to gauge interest, but not to get an precise number of applicants. |
| 18:32.15 | r0bby | Very true but it's also not helpful |
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| 19:12.50 | valorie | Quozl: ensure that they all are paired with a more-experienced and trusted mentor? |
| 19:13.02 | valorie | we like to have 2 per student, ideally |
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| 19:33.32 | damoklov | hello everyone! |
| 19:34.38 | damoklov | just writing to introduce myself, I'm Michael :) |
| 19:35.39 | meflin | did you have a question? |
| 19:35.44 | olly | dawar: as a student, knowing the number of proposals doesn't really tell you much - you'd need to know how many slots the org is likely to get, and how many of those proposals are too poor to stand any chance (which is often a significant proportion) |
| 19:35.48 | meflin | also hi |
| 19:36.26 | olly | so just the raw total can be rather misleading, so you'll probably find orgs would rather not say |
| 19:37.11 | meflin | orgs can't talk about slots to students in this part |
| 19:38.56 | olly | we also just don't know yet (though as a policy first-time org are likely to get at most 2 slots) |
| 19:40.48 | damoklov | no, but thanks for asking, meflin :) |
| 19:53.53 | r0bby | Last I checked -- we have 3 proposals that were decent |
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| 20:36.51 | dawar | robby:how do i know that how many slots an organization have and how many proposals have been slected ? |
| 20:37.56 | olly | slots don't get allocated for about 2 weeks |
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| 21:41.37 | olly | wonders if there's a way to actually view linkedin profiles without an account |
| 21:42.05 | olly | seems most students link to them, but I just get a page which is hilariously called "authwall" |
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| 21:54.18 | Quozl | oh good, my org co-admins have accepted my careful criticism, agreed to work together again, and retaliated by making me an org co-admin. ;-} |
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| 21:56.49 | Quozl | are there any transparency features of the web site to help co-admins see what each other has done? i can't find an activity log kind of thing. |
| 21:58.00 | olly | i don't think so |
| 21:58.22 | Quozl | thanks. |
| 21:58.55 | Platonides | lol, Quozl |
| 21:59.15 | olly | i suspect nobody thought that hostile co-admins would be a situation that needed to be handled |
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| 23:01.57 | r0bby | Quozl: This sounds toxic :( |
| 23:05.49 | Quozl | r0bby: it turned out to be an issue with language interpretation; cross-cultural communication. |
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| 23:08.23 | r0bby | Quozl: ah -- I tend to have taken the lead on GSoC -- I'm on top of things reasonably well and have been given the latitude to make the policies I wanted -- granted it's in line with the way most run things -- I trust my co-org admins -- if they vouch for a mentor, I'm going to trust them |
| 23:08.51 | Quozl | r0bby: with no commit history at all? ;-) |
| 23:09.37 | r0bby | Quozl: It's happened -- they really just need to have the domain knowledge :) |
| 23:10.13 | Quozl | r0bby: agreed. we have a technically aware musician as one of our mentors. terrible commit history, but great value. |
| 23:10.29 | r0bby | That's fine :) |
| 23:10.45 | r0bby | I would accept that person |
| 23:10.50 | Quozl | yep, me too. |
| 23:11.29 | r0bby | To be a mentor, someone has to vouch for technical abilities - commit history is nice but it's okay if they don't have it |
| 23:14.43 | valorie | music is technical! |
| 23:14.49 | Quozl | yeah. |
| 23:15.33 | Quozl | i couldn't vouch for three of our 15 mentors; never seen them do anything technical. but one of the other co-admins has. we'll see how it goes. perhaps put them as backup mentors. |
| 23:17.45 | valorie | first timers are always co in KDE |
| 23:17.58 | valorie | and only very experienced mentors don't have a co |
| 23:18.06 | valorie | and only if they ask |
| 23:18.19 | valorie | that way lies burnout |
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