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| 01:23.05 | Ibroamani | Hi everyone, I am ibrahim from Nigeria western part of Africa |
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| 01:35.46 | r0bby | hey Ibroamani, welcome! |
| 01:41.39 | valorie | cool, love seeing people from Africa joining in |
| 01:41.42 | valorie | we need more |
| 01:41.46 | valorie | many more! |
| 01:41.59 | r0bby | a lot more |
| 01:42.02 | Ibroamani | Thank you @r0bby and all |
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| 01:42.54 | pounce | hey Ibroamani, what're you thinking about working on |
| 01:43.22 | Ibroamani | Please I need an enlightment on this. Does project proposal comes first or project enrollment? |
| 01:44.24 | r0bby | Ibroamani: you write the proposal yourself |
| 01:44.53 | r0bby | You choose a project and in your proposal tell the mentors how you will implement it -- and based on the quality of that proposal, we opt to select or not select you. |
| 01:45.01 | Ibroamani | Hi pounce, As a young and budding Web developer. I really wanna go deeper in web development. Html CSS JavaScript and node.js |
| 01:45.01 | r0bby | A good proposal is around 5-6 pages long |
| 01:45.43 | Ibroamani | Okay. Thanks |
| 01:45.59 | pounce | oh nice. i do webdev for a livingânot something i'd work on for gsoc though |
| 01:46.45 | Ibroamani | @Robby, does it necessarily needs to be formally oriented or just a draft |
| 01:47.33 | Ibroamani | @pounce. That's very great of you. I am very sure you are a great developer. |
| 01:48.33 | Ibroamani | Pardon me all. I asked questions alot, simply because I am a budding Web developer. Thanks all |
| 01:49.15 | pounce | i don't think it's a problem. that's what irc is for :) |
| 01:51.23 | valorie | Ibroamani: it begins as a draft |
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| 01:51.33 | valorie | what org will you be working with? |
| 01:51.39 | valorie | :( |
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| 01:57.00 | valorie | Ibroamani: what org will you be working with? |
| 01:57.35 | Ibroamani | Webpack |
| 01:58.11 | Ibroamani | Are you working on webdev also? |
| 01:58.27 | valorie | no, I'm one of the admins for KDE |
| 01:59.17 | valorie | you've already made contact with webpack and know who you might work with if selected? |
| 02:03.25 | valorie | because it's best to make contact and begin working with your chosen org as soon as possible |
| 02:15.52 | Ibroamani | @Valorie. Already done that. Just awaiting their response |
| 02:16.06 | valorie | oh good |
| 02:17.02 | Ibroamani | @Valorie. Have you started your proposal writing? |
| 02:17.16 | valorie | I'm an admin for KDE |
| 02:17.29 | Ibroamani | Ohh. Pardon me. Forgotten you said you are an admin |
| 02:17.30 | valorie | instead I help write the ideas |
| 02:17.33 | valorie | :-) |
| 02:17.50 | valorie | and help the students craft their proposals if they ask |
| 02:18.10 | Ibroamani | But. Can you help me with some ideas too⺠|
| 02:20.12 | valorie | I know very little about web devel |
| 02:20.17 | valorie | lol |
| 02:31.03 | Ibroamani | Very little. Hmmmm |
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| 02:32.28 | valorie | I mean, I've made webpages in html |
| 02:32.41 | valorie | but nothing beyond that really |
| 02:32.46 | valorie | nothing modern |
| 02:32.51 | Ibroamani | Okay |
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| 02:34.02 | Ibroamani | But. Does student knowledge has to be modern? |
| 02:34.23 | valorie | that all depends on what the org wants |
| 02:34.25 | r0bby | Ibroamani: you have 3 months to do the project and are expected to work 40 hrs/week |
| 02:34.33 | valorie | and you can tell that by their ideas |
| 02:34.33 | Ibroamani | Mine wasnt modern aswell! |
| 02:34.34 | r0bby | The ideal student will be able to hit the ground running |
| 02:35.10 | r0bby | I'm Org admin -- I enforce the contribution rule but otherwise don't step in or influence selection |
| 02:35.28 | Ibroamani | Ok |
| 02:35.39 | r0bby | I do mark obvious spam proposals as such -- but otherwise mentors decide. |
| 02:35.56 | r0bby | For example for LibreHealth -- you need to know Java -- we DO Have a PHP project but have no mentors for it |
| 02:36.14 | valorie | right, for KDE I do the same thing |
| 02:36.28 | valorie | but I do help students who ask |
| 02:36.41 | valorie | with grammar, spelling, layout, flow |
| 02:36.44 | valorie | stuff like that |
| 02:37.38 | r0bby | Your proposal has to have a clear plan of action with clearly defined milestones in accordance with the GSoC timeline |
| 02:37.48 | Ibroamani | Really don't sound in Java. What I know to some intermediate level is Html CSS JavaScript and python |
| 02:38.08 | r0bby | Ibroamani: There are python/JS projects |
| 02:38.29 | r0bby | Don't expect a basic project though. |
| 02:38.57 | Ibroamani | I know. That's why I keep grinding everyday |
| 02:40.02 | r0bby | Ibroamani: one piece of advice, do not wait until the last second to start your proposal -- it will likely span around 8 or so pages |
| 02:40.32 | Ibroamani | Experience, exposure and team work are part of the reasons I am joining the program. |
| 02:40.47 | Ibroamani | @Robby thanks for the advice |
| 02:40.53 | r0bby | PLUS if you do not make the contribution, your proposal is not considered (no matter how strong it is) |
| 02:41.11 | valorie | r0bby: not all orgs have that standard |
| 02:41.20 | Ibroamani | Contributions. Like what? |
| 02:41.22 | r0bby | valorie: the ones worth their salt do :) |
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| 02:41.28 | valorie | we do, but afaik that is not universal |
| 02:41.41 | r0bby | valorie: That's something that should be universal |
| 02:41.41 | valorie | new, small orgs in particular |
| 02:42.04 | valorie | I agree with you, but I had to change the minds of my mentors about that |
| 02:42.15 | valorie | took a couple of years |
| 02:42.36 | r0bby | Eh -- as Org Admin -- you set the policies |
| 02:43.21 | r0bby | I'm not afraid to be heavy-handed in enforcement of these things |
| 02:43.31 | valorie | that's not how I work |
| 02:43.56 | r0bby | I believe the term "dictatorial" has been thrown around describing how I run GSoC/GCI |
| 02:44.00 | valorie | anyway, that's been our policy for the past couple of years |
| 02:44.03 | valorie | lol |
| 02:44.15 | r0bby | I do it for my own sanity |
| 02:44.19 | Ibroamani | Thank you all. I have gained alot from you guys admins. My notepad is full to some length âº. It's midnight here. Needs to sleep recess. |
| 02:44.22 | valorie | hands out more hugs than the LAW |
| 02:44.37 | valorie | you're welcome here any time, Ibroamani |
| 02:44.45 | r0bby | valorie: I don't get heavy-handed often -- but I do state how things need to be done |
| 02:44.55 | Ibroamani | Thanks all once again. @ Robby and calorie and all. |
| 02:45.11 | r0bby | I'm always here around |
| 02:45.53 | Ibroamani | *valorie I mean. Pardon me for typographical errors |
| 02:45.59 | valorie | np |
| 02:46.11 | valorie | irc has "tab complete" btw |
| 02:46.16 | valorie | on nicks |
| 02:46.34 | valorie | so I just type i <tab> |
| 02:46.38 | valorie | and get Ibroamani |
| 02:46.41 | valorie | :-) |
| 02:51.41 | valorie | students: please do not PM without asking first |
| 02:53.49 | valorie | I don't read such |
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| 06:10.46 | valorie | ok, looking at the hour, I'll email |
| 06:10.49 | valorie | sheesh |
| 06:21.00 | valorie | does anyone else (org admins) have a stale or partly stale list of "pending invites"? |
| 06:21.31 | valorie | at least one mentor has replied to my rather curt email saying "accept now" -- I did, and am getting emails |
| 06:21.36 | valorie | so I just reported it |
| 06:21.47 | valorie | I saw that during GCi too |
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| 12:35.16 | Sam_ | Hello |
| 12:35.47 | Sam_ | I am interested in 'JSK Robotics Laboratory / The University of Tokyo' organization |
| 12:37.05 | Sam_ | But their mentors are quite inactive in since they do not have an chat service. For the past previous weeks we have been communicating through email |
| 12:41.15 | Sam_ | How can I address this issue to the mentors without being rude? |
| 12:48.21 | teepee- | Sam_: you say that you are communicating, that does not sound inactive |
| 12:49.20 | teepee- | you might be in different time zones which can delay thing, so that makes things a bit more challenging |
| 12:54.08 | Sam_ | Only 2 emails in the past 2 weeks. I understand the 'quantity over quality' factor, but an IRC system wouldn't hurt since emails can go unnoticed. |
| 13:00.21 | teepee- | I guess it's possible to ask if there's a way to schedule some kind of chat session to discuss a list of topics - if they normally don't use IRC it's probably not going to work for just ask to start using it now |
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| 13:08.37 | savage_srikeerth | Hi |
| 13:08.48 | savage_srikeerth | I am srikeerthi |
| 13:09.27 | savage_srikeerth | this is gsoc channel |
| 13:09.35 | savage_srikeerth | I rejected a girl |
| 13:10.15 | jn__ | savage_srikeerth: hi, how is this related to Google Summer of Code? |
| 13:10.39 | savage_srikeerth | I want to know how to use irc |
| 13:11.15 | savage_srikeerth | how do i reply to a message on irc? |
| 13:11.47 | jn__ | you're already doing it |
| 13:11.53 | jn__ | just type it in |
| 13:11.54 | fundamental | Sam_: some of that might be related to time zones and hours that they would respond to emails. It's very possible that it takes at least half a day for them to be in a position to go through the emails. Asking about starting a realtime chat about a specific topic could be helpful in removing the time latency between responses |
| 13:12.09 | savage_srikeerth | how do i reply to a specific message , like you did |
| 13:12.11 | savage_srikeerth | ? |
| 13:12.41 | jn__ | just prepend the nickname of the person that you're replying to, and a colon |
| 13:13.09 | savage_srikeerth | jn__: Is this how I do it? and do you get a notification when I tag you? |
| 13:13.24 | jn__ | yeah |
| 13:13.40 | savage_srikeerth | jn__: Nice! Thanks |
| 13:14.13 | jn__ | the next thing to learn is that there are "channels", also called chatrooms by some people |
| 13:14.37 | jn__ | you are currently in the channel called #gsoc, which is about Google Summer of Code |
| 13:15.09 | savage_srikeerth | Okay, how do I get onto Videolan's channel? |
| 13:16.30 | jn__ | first step, find out how it is called. for example, it could be #vlc |
| 13:16.49 | jn__ | next, you can usually join a channel by typing: /join #vlc |
| 13:16.57 | savage_srikeerth | All I know about the mentor is his IRC nick, but nothing else |
| 13:17.22 | savage_srikeerth | Is this normal or am I missing any information |
| 13:17.23 | savage_srikeerth | ? |
| 13:17.59 | jn__ | i don't know what's normal for the VLC project |
| 13:18.26 | savage_srikeerth | I contacted two mentors but Neither replied |
| 13:18.46 | savage_srikeerth | I sent multiple mails to one of them, but no reply |
| 13:19.00 | savage_srikeerth | what do you suggest I do now? |
| 13:19.17 | Mc | send emails to the project mailing list, not to specific people |
| 13:19.46 | jn__ | savage_srikeerth: https://wiki.videolan.org/IRC/#IRC <-- there's a channel listed here |
| 13:19.54 | savage_srikeerth | If i send a message to the mailing list, doesn't it reach everybody in the list? |
| 13:20.00 | Mc | yes it does |
| 13:20.03 | Mc | that's the point |
| 13:20.25 | savage_srikeerth | But i want to contact just the mentor in specific |
| 13:20.39 | Mc | you probably don't |
| 13:20.49 | fundamental | it's normal to discuss things openly in a publically archived way |
| 13:20.56 | Mc | gsoc is about participating in an open source project |
| 13:20.58 | fundamental | a mailing list does that quite well |
| 13:21.00 | Mc | in a community |
| 13:23.31 | savage_srikeerth | I am not familiar with mailing lists. If i send a mail to the mailing list, how will i get a reply? |
| 13:23.46 | fundamental | you subscribe to the mailing list |
| 13:23.51 | fundamental | then you send a message to the list |
| 13:23.59 | savage_srikeerth | I tried that but it's a private list |
| 13:23.59 | fundamental | that message is sent to everyone subscribed |
| 13:24.12 | fundamental | then when they reply to the mailing list you get a copy |
| 13:25.39 | savage_srikeerth | But It says my subscription request has been recieved and will be approved by the admin. How long will it usually take for me to get a confirmation? |
| 13:25.49 | Mc | read |
| 13:25.50 | Mc | https://www.videolan.org/developers/lists.html |
| 13:27.06 | savage_srikeerth | Mc: Yeah, I subscribed to vlc-devel , but it's not approved yet |
| 13:27.25 | Mc | then all you can do is wait |
| 13:27.46 | Mc | it "can take many hours" |
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| 13:28.52 | fundamental | interesting, it looks like there's only 1 message on the vlc-devel list on the topic of this year's gsoc |
| 13:29.44 | savage_srikeerth | I actually want to work with the rav1e project |
| 13:30.12 | savage_srikeerth | I tried to claim an issue, it kinda seems wierd as I didnt get any reply |
| 13:31.18 | savage_srikeerth | fundamental: How did you get this information? |
| 13:31.35 | fundamental | the archives are publically available for that mailing list |
| 13:33.22 | savage_srikeerth | fundamental: Thanks, found it |
| 13:49.40 | vmbrasseur | r0bby: https://twitter.com/JPinTech/status/1107852606368432128 |
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| 15:27.26 | r0bby | w00t |
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| 18:43.23 | rptr | hello, it says on the GSOC timeline that, "Potential student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations". what am i supposed to be doing? i'm working on small bugfixes/projects for the organisations i'm applying to, what else should i be doing? |
| 18:43.53 | r0bby | rptr: Contact the organization(s) you wish to work with now |
| 18:44.07 | r0bby | Then when applications open up, submit a draft -- you can start now |
| 18:44.33 | r0bby | The successful GSoC students were in contact early-on |
| 18:44.35 | pounce | hey lsneff, do you have a project in mind for this year? |
| 18:44.45 | pounce | im still jealous of what you were doing last summer |
| 18:44.55 | r0bby | vmbrasseur: Submitted my app :) |
| 18:45.05 | r0bby | pounce: so you know what they did last summer, eh? 3 |
| 18:45.09 | r0bby | :D |
| 18:45.20 | r0bby | ...please tell me you got that joke |
| 18:45.28 | pounce | i don't think i did ;_; |
| 18:46.19 | lsneff | pounce: I'm doing an internship this summer, so probably not doing gsoc |
| 18:46.30 | r0bby | damn https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119345/ |
| 18:46.40 | pounce | oh cool, with what company? |
| 18:46.41 | r0bby | lsneff: Mentor |
| 18:46.46 | rptr | r0bby: just contact them and tell them that i'm interested? or do i need to come up with my own project idea? i was going to apply with one of their ideas |
| 18:46.57 | lsneff | pounce: msft |
| 18:47.09 | r0bby | rptr: you look at their ideas and ask questions |
| 18:47.14 | r0bby | Start working on issues now |
| 18:47.17 | meflin_ | rptr: contact, get involved |
| 18:47.23 | lsneff | r0bby: I'd actually love to do that, but I'm not sure what org I'd mentor with |
| 18:47.26 | r0bby | Some but not all require contributions so start now |
| 18:47.31 | rptr | r0bby: ok thanks. well i've been "active" since the orgs were announced. not like i've been sitting on my butt |
| 18:47.36 | r0bby | lsneff: the one you worked with if you did GSoC |
| 18:48.07 | lsneff | I did mozilla last summer, but my relationship with them recently has deteriorated somewhat unfortunately due to the project I'm working on now |
| 18:48.33 | r0bby | lsneff: in a bad way? |
| 18:48.44 | pounce | oh, what's been going on? i haven't been a fan of mozilla recently too though tbh |
| 18:49.11 | meflin_ | *cough* lets not diss projects here |
| 18:49.15 | lsneff | ^ |
| 18:49.31 | r0bby | rptr: Keep engaged with the project and ask questions...start your proposal now and ask for feedback PUBLICLY -- if someone steals your proposal, there's public record that you did it first. |
| 18:49.53 | lsneff | pm me if you're interested in learning more, but I have nothing against mozilla, just a member of the org has differing opinions with me |
| 18:50.00 | rptr | r0bby: alright. thanks. |
| 18:50.29 | pounce | sorry meflin_! |
| 18:50.31 | r0bby | lsneff: eh -- happened with one of the FOSS orgs I worked with :) Everything that went down is very much public but buried |
| 18:50.46 | meflin_ | pounce: np nothing bad has happened yet |
| 18:51.14 | meflin_ | I have issues with several oss projects this just isn't the place to talk about them |
| 18:52.08 | r0bby | FOSS internal politics is sadly a thing |
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| 18:52.17 | meflin | heh very true :) |
| 18:52.21 | lsneff | Indeed :/ |
| 18:52.30 | pounce | yeah :< i wrote a paper about that last year |
| 18:52.57 | r0bby | pounce: I have most of my experience tied up in my work with an organization that I did not leave on the best of terms with |
| 18:53.11 | r0bby | So I have to talk about it -- or uh -- I have no experience. |
| 18:53.37 | lsneff | That's really unfortunate. How'd you end up on bad terms? |
| 18:53.40 | r0bby | Open Source infrastructure volunteers are in every single community |
| 18:54.06 | r0bby | I can explain in PM -- they are a GSoC org and I'd rather not be responsible for bad mouthing them in public. |
| 19:00.43 | meflin | what students should be doing is getting involed with the comunity, learning the code base, fixing bugs |
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| 19:15.21 | r0bby | rptr: See above |
| 19:15.29 | r0bby | what meflin just said |
| 19:20.00 | rptr | r0bby: yeah that i know / is obvious. it was more the "discuss application ideas" part i was nervous about. i am doing the above already. |
| 19:20.14 | rptr | i was messing around with strace but i decided to give that idea up... |
| 19:20.48 | meflin | talking over the idea list or originial is critical |
| 19:20.51 | r0bby | rptr: Just discuss your ideas -- or pick one of theirs...they are required to have a sufficient ideas page to get accepted into GSoC as a project |
| 19:21.16 | r0bby | Every year we get spammy proposals -- so discuss the ideas -- already had one emailed to us |
| 19:21.43 | rptr | pretty much everyone posting on the mailing lists is just writing random "hi there i wanna do gsoc" crap |
| 19:22.00 | rptr | well if i pick one of theirs, should i ask them about it, etc etc? |
| 19:22.10 | meflin | yes |
| 19:22.11 | rptr | i'm still compiling lol |
| 19:22.17 | rptr | ok thanks |
| 19:22.21 | meflin | also pitch in any ideas you have work on it |
| 19:28.24 | r0bby | rptr: I definitely judge students who fail to read the information I put out about GSoC |
| 19:28.37 | r0bby | I shared a TON of resources |
| 19:29.34 | rptr | r0bby: i'm reading everything. i only asked about that one detail. are you a mentor for one of the orgs? |
| 19:36.33 | meflin | many mentors here |
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| 19:43.40 | r0bby | A lot of veterans as well |
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| 21:25.37 | valorie | r0bby makes a very good point -- discussions should be in public |
| 21:25.47 | valorie | this is actually protection for you |
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| 21:47.20 | r0bby | Not to mention that private discussions are antithetical to Open Source culture in general |
| 21:48.39 | r0bby | If private discussions are happening -- that means your organization lacks transparency. Private discussions should be limited wherever possible. |
| 21:49.26 | valorie | heads away from keyboard |
| 21:53.10 | fundamental | goodness, how has vlc only has 1 message on their mailing list for GSoC? All the students must have went for the direct email address |
| 21:54.06 | fundamental | my org must be at 20+ emails related to students and followups |
| 21:55.49 | pounce | yeah it was odd. I was reading through the mailing lists of the orgs i want to contribute to, and there aren't many emails there related to gsoc... |
| 21:57.19 | pounce | speaking of which, im going to send some more emails out |
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| 23:37.43 | Cervator | i *wish* i'd get fewer emails asking us about GSOC ... :D we clearly request such communication in open chat and/or forum, but i keep getting PMs and emails about GSOC from prospective students. I even had somebody ping me on LinkedIn! that was new :-) |
| 23:42.33 | fundamental | so far it seems that students have read the instructions and used the correct communication methods. Not too many have proceeded onto the process of making the initial contribution however. Though that's to be expected |
| 23:44.39 | r0bby | fundamental: That's a a read flag |
| 23:44.57 | r0bby | Cervator: I'm tempted to ignore emails like that. |
| 23:45.19 | r0bby | We already got our first spam proposal -- it's a cool idea -- just not in the least bit relavant |
| 23:46.15 | Cervator | yeah i just guide them back to the regular docs and the chat system since i can't make myself _not_ try to be nice |
| 23:47.37 | fundamental | r0bby: I like to think of it as a convenient filter as it's a stated requirement. So, if they don't provide a contribution then any proposal from them won't be seriously considered. |
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| 23:48.00 | fundamental | I'm making a best effort to remind students of that, but if they don't heed the recommendations, then oh well |