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| 00:12.03 | valorie | maybe |
| 00:25.01 | lachlan_s | Anyone from Mozilla here? |
| 00:26.31 | r0bby | lachlan_s: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4870325653733376/ |
| 00:26.44 | r0bby | Go to their IRC channel. You're expected to be able to do basic research ;) |
| 00:29.43 | lachlan_s | I already submitted a proposal and whatnot, I was just curious if there was anyone from mozilla on this channel |
| 00:36.45 | r0bby | lachlan_s: There probably is -- but the better place to ask would be their official channel |
| 00:37.19 | r0bby | I usually consider proposals where I have no contact with the candidate to be spam proposals. |
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| 03:56.02 | lachlan_s | r0bby: I've already talked to a possible mentor. |
| 03:56.48 | r0bby | Good then you already know how to get in touch with Mozilla on their irc server :-) |
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| 04:41.20 | valorie | Pallavi: have you read the links in the /topic |
| 04:41.27 | valorie | link |
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| 09:24.15 | shreyansh_k | olly: 5 days! |
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| 09:37.01 | abhiji | is that important to send proposals |
| 09:37.40 | abhiji | is there any other possibilities to join in GSoC |
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| 11:44.16 | vaibhavs | FROM WHERE DO WE KNOW, WHAT TO DO IN AN ORGANIZATION |
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| 11:49.16 | vaibhavs | HOW DO WE KNOW, WHAT STUFFS WILL HAVE TO DO , |
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| 11:50.52 | shadowmitia[m] | If you go on an organizations page, you click on learn more and then on "view ideas list" |
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| 12:14.58 | gevaerts | also recommends not shouting |
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| 12:49.35 | embden | Hello all, where can I read about the criteria for an organization to be chosen for the next gsoc round? |
| 12:54.21 | Jaskirat_ | embden: !studentguide |
| 12:55.46 | blast007 | embden: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq#mentorsorganization_administrators |
| 13:04.27 | embden | I wanted also to ask is it ok that in some organizations most of the work are done during GSoCs and Outreachy's, for example, in Systers PowerUp project. I found out that during GSoC 2017 a participant from the powerup project did images for the game. This year I can see proposals in which people want to deal with images again and the admins of the community don't stop them. |
| 13:05.58 | embden | This is the project: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/archive/2017/projects/6427479493312512/ Someone can say that it is about ui/ux, but mostly it is a graphic design work (non-coding). |
| 13:08.19 | embden | You can see that the same entry is available for their students this year: https://github.com/systers/systers.github.io/wiki/PowerUp (Updating and including all of the design elements created during Outreachy). It is really a coding task. |
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| 13:09.56 | embden | vkmc, your project wasn't chosen this year, has it even less coding? I am asking because I want to avoid such an issue when I will apply with my project. |
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| 13:23.48 | vkmc | embden, OpenStack was all coding projects |
| 13:24.53 | jarvish | <vkmc> |
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| 13:40.10 | embden | vkmc, another interesting thing is that some orgs that were co-mentors during GSoC2017 will participate as students this year. Some people who have a right to merge commits into the main branch. |
| 13:41.08 | embden | Robert_S, read my messages. |
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| 13:45.27 | embden | *not to the main branch but to branches of official repository |
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| 14:53.01 | ros | hello |
| 14:53.48 | OhYash | hello |
| 14:59.24 | shreyansh_k | Guys, the organization mentor is not replying. What do I do, I've made a proposal but I also don't want to waste it. |
| 15:00.10 | downey | shreyansh_k: Have you waited long enough for the mentor to sleep and do other things before seeing your message? |
| 15:00.20 | shreyansh_k | downey: 4 days. |
| 15:00.35 | gevaerts | Some people sleep a long time! |
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| 15:01.04 | downey | Also, weekend. |
| 15:01.45 | downey | shreyansh_k: But remember the mentor may not have any comments for you. They are not obligated to provide feedback before the proposal is submitted. You might consider asking others for feedback too ... :) |
| 15:03.06 | shreyansh_k | downey: I see. I'd like to add that I've submitted the draft link. |
| 15:03.31 | gevaerts | Also, make sure the organisation actually wants you to contact mentors directly at this stage (if that's what you're doing). There may be a global discussion place that's preferred |
| 15:04.19 | shreyansh_k | gevaerts: I'll check it right away. |
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| 15:13.36 | shreyansh_k | gevaerts: They do say that they prefer email. |
| 15:13.43 | shreyansh_k | I don't know what's up. |
| 15:14.26 | gevaerts | Do they have a mailing list on the info page? |
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| 15:36.04 | el_santo | Hello? |
| 15:40.41 | jn__ | el_santo: yes? |
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| 15:59.07 | shreyansh_k | gevaerts: They do prefer emails. I'll wait for a day or two and see what happens. |
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| 16:06.16 | karan | hi |
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| 16:07.51 | karan | any gsoc experienced person here? |
| 16:08.47 | meflin | if you have a question just ask it |
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| 16:11.34 | karan | I am starter so i need guide about ros (robotics) |
| 16:12.30 | meflin | search the org list |
| 16:12.39 | meflin | choose something your find interesting |
| 16:13.39 | karan | I am interested in ros |
| 16:14.04 | meflin | so check the orgs |
| 16:14.45 | meflin | there are well over 100 orgs doing all kinds of things |
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| 16:15.40 | Guest8094 | Hello! |
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| 16:26.50 | snuff4[m] | shreyansh_k: Hi, I waited for six days, but the mentor thoroughly reviewed my proposal and left excellent feedback. Worth the wait. Maybe mail them(again) to review your proposal and wait for another day? |
| 16:29.43 | Guest8094 | I have a doubt over my proof of enrollment. |
| 16:30.29 | Guest8094 | I am planning to use my identity card as PoE. However it is double sided, it has my details on the front side and validity details on the back. |
| 16:30.46 | Guest8094 | Would that be a issue? How can I put the two together? |
| 16:36.35 | blast007 | a lot of scanning software lets you combine multiple scans from a flatbed scanner into a single document |
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| 16:41.40 | ujjwalkumarukj | how can i contact the mentor |
| 16:41.57 | ujjwalkumarukj | join |
| 16:42.49 | blast007 | ujjwalkumarukj: depends on the organization. each will have their preferred contact methods, which should be listed on their GSoC page, or possibly on their ideas page. |
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| 16:43.38 | ujjwalkumarukj | if i have the prerequisite what are the chances of selection |
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| 16:48.04 | ujjwalkumarukj | if i have the prerequisite what are the chances of selection |
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| 16:52.02 | blast007 | !odds |
| 16:52.03 | gsocbot | blast007: Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 16:52.09 | blast007 | ujjwalkumarukj: ^ |
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| 16:54.25 | Guest8094 | blast007: Thank you for that. However the backside of the Identity Card has no signature or seal from my college only the frontside has. Would that still look genuine? |
| 16:57.20 | blast007 | Guest8094: "If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, do not ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site." https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment |
| 16:58.59 | Guest8094 | Oh sorry. I hadn't read that part. |
| 16:59.04 | Guest8094 | Thank you so much, |
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| 17:15.30 | shreyansh_k | blast007: hi, following up! I have uploaded my as PoE. since the review will be done after 27th march, at a point i cannot upload again (i think, can't confirm). If PoE gets rejected(any reason) what can a student do, in that case? |
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| 17:16.09 | shreyansh_k | snuff4[m]: Makes sense. I'll write a gentle reminder and forget about it for few days. |
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| 17:17.45 | snuff4[m] | shreyansh_k: If you submitted a gdoc, you can improve it daily |
| 17:18.16 | snuff4[m] | Till you get a review |
| 17:18.20 | blast007 | shreyansh_k: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment |
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| 17:20.28 | miguelmq | Hi everyone |
| 17:21.19 | shreyansh_k | blast007: Yes, I have read that document. But where does it answer what can a student do if it gets rejected. |
| 17:22.01 | blast007 | Immediately after the part where it says not to ask on IRC... :) |
| 17:22.43 | shreyansh_k | blast007: Oh! yes. pardon my stupid ass. |
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| 18:47.22 | Kinjal | Hello |
| 18:48.21 | Kinjal | Is it necessary to submit a project definition before registration? Or we just need to register and organizations will let us know what the project is..? Thanks. |
| 18:49.19 | Kinjal | Also, I'm a postgraduate student. What should I select as my education while registering? |
| 18:49.34 | jn__ | Kinjal: at some point after registering and before the application deadline, you need to submit a project proposal |
| 18:49.51 | spd123 | Can I submit more than one proposals for the same organization? |
| 18:50.00 | jn__ | Kinjal: organizations usually have a list of project ideas, but you need to write the proposal yourself |
| 18:53.28 | Kinjal | So we need to work on our project idea? |
| 18:53.55 | Kinjal | And organisation will help in completing the project. |
| 18:55.08 | perepujal | Kinjal: Orgs propose ideas that fits their needs, students need to submit a proposal on how they plan to implement the ideas |
| 18:55.13 | jn__ | !studentguide |
| 18:55.13 | gsocbot | jn__: https://g.co/gsoc/studentguide |
| 18:56.24 | perepujal | Kinjal: that guide was made for newbee students, make sure to read it ^ |
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| 19:01.27 | Kinjal | Sounds interesting. And I have seen on some websites that we need to pay $500 as student registration fee. Is that true? |
| 19:03.12 | jn__ | that is not true |
| 19:03.43 | jn__ | students generally don't pay any money in GSoC |
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| 19:14.43 | olly | Kinjal: the org receives US$500 per student they mentor, but that money comes from google |
| 19:14.54 | olly | perhaps someone misunderstood that |
| 19:16.18 | gevaerts | Either that or those websites helpfully provide payment instructions in some not very traceable way |
| 19:17.17 | olly | gevaerts: "gsoc registration consultants" |
| 19:18.29 | olly | so yes, if you're trying to register for gsoc and the site asks for payment, that's not the right website |
| 19:19.02 | Kinjal | Thank you so much. |
| 19:19.31 | olly | and if you find such a site, probably worth emailing support |
| 19:19.34 | olly | !support |
| 19:19.35 | gsocbot | olly: If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
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| 20:05.13 | intrigus | ! proofofenrollment |
| 20:05.13 | gsocbot | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 20:05.20 | intrigus | !proofofenrollment |
| 20:05.21 | gsocbot | intrigus: Not a factoid |
| 20:06.07 | intrigus | !proofofenrollment |
| 20:06.07 | gsocbot | intrigus: "If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, do not ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site." https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment |
| 20:06.19 | intrigus | Much better :) |
| 20:07.09 | olly | !proof @ intrigus |
| 20:07.10 | gsocbot | @ intrigus: If you have questions about whether your document is acceptable, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, just upload it to the site. If it is not acceptable, we will ask you to upload a different document within a specified time frame. You will receive an email when your form has been approved. |
| 20:08.08 | intrigus | Well, there is no official list of bot commands, is there? |
| 20:08.32 | olly | there's factoids rather than commands |
| 20:08.38 | PulkoMandy | no, but "proof" is easier to type correctly |
| 20:08.52 | olly | not sure if/how you can list/search them in this incarnation - you used to be able to but the bot got rewritten |
| 20:09.18 | olly | *these are factoids rather than commands |
| 20:10.04 | olly | i've just hung around here for too long and can remember most of the useful ones |
| 20:11.39 | olly | gsocbot: search proof |
| 20:11.40 | gsocbot | olly: Matched the following factoids: *!updatestodo*, *!proof*, *!proofofenrollment* |
| 20:11.44 | olly | there you go |
| 20:11.54 | olly | !updatestodo |
| 20:11.54 | gsocbot | olly: These factoids need to be updated when GSoC/GCI start: countdown, edit, faq, forms, linkid, meeting, mentorsummit, next, orgsbylang, orgs, ospo, proof, proposal, package, results, result, studentinfo, timeline |
| 20:12.10 | olly | !linkid |
| 20:12.10 | gsocbot | olly: Not a factoid |
| 20:12.33 | olly | hmm, i might tidy that up but in query |
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| 20:22.45 | Adnan_ | Hello |
| 20:23.17 | Adnan_ | Some body help me |
| 20:23.32 | olly | Adnan_: with what? |
| 20:23.49 | Adnan_ | I want to know about Google Summer Code |
| 20:24.19 | Adnan_ | ? |
| 20:24.23 | olly | !studentguide @ Adnan_ |
| 20:24.24 | gsocbot | @ Adnan_: https://g.co/gsoc/studentguide |
| 20:24.51 | olly | we can try to help with specific queries - if you want general information, read the guide |
| 20:26.48 | Adnan_ | ok i understand i need more information |
| 20:28.37 | Adnan_ | Basically i want to learn about software architecture and design....in which we use some design pattern about software to make a good software.So this is what i want.... |
| 20:29.21 | Adnan_ | i want to learn about this,So can you please help me.... |
| 20:30.53 | Adnan_ | ? |
| 20:31.34 | meflin | read the student guide |
| 20:31.40 | meflin | then ask a question about gsoc |
| 20:32.00 | Adnan_ | ok |
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| 20:33.08 | Adnan_ | link please |
| 20:33.30 | meflin | !studentguide |
| 20:33.31 | gsocbot | meflin: https://g.co/gsoc/studentguide |
| 20:34.38 | jn__ | !next |
| 20:34.39 | gsocbot | jn__: Student Application Ends March 27, 2018 |
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| 21:59.55 | kappa1 | hi! Google has the final word on what proposals are acccepted right? What are the criteria to approve or reject a proposal? |
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| 22:01.08 | kappa1 | and people that review proposals are engineers? |
| 22:01.14 | achillion | not right |
| 22:01.47 | kappa1 | achillion: so, how does it work |
| 22:03.21 | achillion | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/rules/ |
| 22:04.07 | olly | the org chooses which proposals they want to accept |
| 22:05.04 | perepujal | orgs ask google about how many students it can fund for them based on great proposals received/mentor availability/other circonstances |
| 22:06.27 | kappa1 | ok, I see |
| 22:06.42 | perepujal | google assigns some slots to orgs, then orgs decide wich students |
| 22:06.53 | achillion | kappa1: evaluation criteria vary by org; it's good to get to know the mentors and project beforehand. Mentors tend to be pretty open about what they want to see in a proposal. |
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| 22:07.54 | kappa1 | so, it is likely that within an organization, proposed ideas that are simple get rejected |
| 22:08.04 | kappa1 | despite of the quality of the student proposal |
| 22:09.53 | olly | if a student proposes something which simply wouldn't take them 3 months of full-time work, I'd expect the org would reject it |
| 22:10.24 | kappa1 | even if the idea was proposed by the org? |
| 22:10.43 | olly | the idea is often just an idea |
| 22:10.53 | kappa1 | ok |
| 22:10.55 | kappa1 | thanks |
| 22:10.56 | perepujal | an org proposing 10 ideas doesn't mean it will get 10 slots |
| 22:10.58 | olly | the proposal is a concrete project proposal |
| 22:11.16 | kappa1 | so a student should pick the most complex ideas |
| 22:11.33 | kappa1 | or elaborate and complicate on simple ideas |
| 22:11.36 | olly | no, pick something suitable for your skills and interests and propose something to match |
| 22:11.47 | meflin | a student should pick an idea that they like and are willing to do the work on and write a good proposal |
| 22:11.50 | olly | if you've not been programming long, pick something appropriate |
| 22:12.13 | olly | if you're a phd student with some industrial programming experience, pick something appropriate |
| 22:12.29 | olly | don't propose something easy to have an easy time |
| 22:12.29 | kappa1 | ok I see. |
| 22:12.41 | olly | and don't promise the world if you can't deliver |
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| 22:13.28 | olly | but also, talk to the org |
| 22:13.32 | kappa1 | I found out that many people do that, and I wonder how it helps in getting a proposal accepted |
| 22:13.41 | olly | they can help guide you on scope |
| 22:13.49 | olly | promise the world? |
| 22:13.53 | kappa1 | right, if they answer my queries. Some of the mentors don't reply to emails |
| 22:13.54 | olly | not for me it doesn't |
| 22:14.01 | olly | pick other mentors |
| 22:14.07 | olly | it's not a good sign if they don't reply |
| 22:14.24 | olly | you want a mentor who does, or else you might as well not have one |
| 22:14.35 | kappa1 | that's what I thought... But the project was the one that I liked the most |
| 22:14.40 | meflin | also read carefuly that you are asking for feedback in the right place |
| 22:14.43 | kappa1 | true |
| 22:15.01 | olly | and remember we mostly have jobs and lives, so be realistic about how soon you'll get an answer |
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| 22:15.31 | olly | the participation agreement says we should aim to reply within 36 hours FWIW |
| 22:17.46 | kappa1 | ok |
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| 22:22.03 | klaxa | hi, quick question, i'm not currently enrolled, but my enrollment has been basically accepted by my university, it's just paperwork that is delaying me from getting the papers, do i definitely need the enrollment form by the 27th or is there some leeway? |
| 22:22.39 | klaxa | i will definitely be enrolled during the period of the coding time |
| 22:23.21 | olly | klaxa: I believe you need to upload a proof of enrollment before you can submit a proposal |
| 22:23.43 | klaxa | ok, thanks |
| 22:23.46 | olly | i'd suggest finding something suitable from the list |
| 22:24.02 | olly | an acceptance letter is OK IIRC |
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| 22:26.27 | klaxa | yeah looks like it, thanks! |
| 22:26.54 | klaxa | i'll give it a few more days but if i haven't heard from my university until then i'll scan/photograph the letter and translate it |
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| 22:33.23 | intrigus | klaxa: Which project are you interested in? |
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| 22:35.11 | klaxa | ffmpeg |
| 22:35.30 | klaxa | i'm already in touch with the community and participated in 2015 also in ffmpeg |
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