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| 11:56.25 | cogeek_ | Hi all, firstly I see that many of developing country students have made it to the GSoC program this year which an amazing opportunity for them. But this time I was told that GSoC stipend has been given out based on PPP |
| 11:59.52 | twk- | it's true, the payout differs based on country. |
| 11:59.59 | cogeek_ | I feel PPP is somewhat unfair for the students from developing nations as the electronic products are priced much higher than the countries like USA. For example if some student has to buy a mac book from pakistan he ends up paying Rs.270,000 which is equal to $2400 |
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| 12:03.00 | cogeek_ | $2400 is the current stipend amount for Pakistan, so the pakistani student can only afford one mac book at the most |
| 12:03.28 | cogeek_ | Where as a guy from USA gets $6000 and can easily get a mac book for $1500 and has $4500 for himself |
| 12:03.52 | cogeek_ | This is extremely unfair, please rethink about the stipend amount for the students from developing countries |
| 12:04.33 | twk- | I'm not sure this place is where you can reach the people responsible for this decision. however, I also doubt it's as simple to create a "fair" system as you seem to imply |
| 12:05.24 | twk- | especially since the problem you present is based on the fact that producers of goods distribute prices on their product unevenly |
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| 12:06.33 | achillion | Why does everyone always bring up the price of the MacBook when talking about the new stipend? |
| 12:06.49 | cogeek_ | I feel the previous system was fair enough, but what they done now seems very biased towards richer countries |
| 12:07.36 | twk- | the living costs there are higher, however. |
| 12:07.57 | twk- | and I agree, the fixation on one specific product as a metric is terrible as well |
| 12:07.59 | intrigus | Not everyone is buying electronic stuff |
| 12:08.36 | achillion | Whatever happened to pizza and beer? |
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| 12:13.09 | cogeek_ | achillion: It's equally expensive if you are studying from a good university here |
| 12:15.18 | Valodim | your criteria of "fair" is also biased towards poorer countries |
| 12:15.41 | Valodim | I know how that sounds, but a bias is still a bias |
| 12:16.46 | cogeek_ | Valodim: If you look at the current stipend amount, Australia gets arounf $6,600 which is way more than last years stipend. Don't you think it's more biased towards richer nation ? |
| 12:17.13 | cogeek_ | What I wanted to convey is that everyone should be getting the equal stipend |
| 12:17.15 | Valodim | if you look at the raw amount, yes |
| 12:17.55 | twk- | but in australia you probably pay a lot more in rent, food, and other goods you *nned* |
| 12:17.58 | twk- | *need |
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| 12:18.30 | intrigus | twk-: +1 |
| 12:18.32 | Valodim | try not looking at "how many macbooks can I buy", but instead "how many months can I live from this money" |
| 12:18.48 | twk- | exactly, which is the defined purpose of the stipend |
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| 12:20.20 | Valodim | also, noone is saying this is perfect. after more than a decade of gsoc, so far it's an experiment to see how it affects the program |
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| 12:23.06 | cogeek_ | twk-: I agree with you, but it's equally expensive here. Not all are going to make a living out of it, they will need good laptops and other stuff which is quite expensive over here |
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| 12:24.50 | hrithik | cogeek_: I agree with you, I hope they revert back to previous stipends |
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| 12:25.16 | intrigus | cogeek_: your argument applies equally well to the other side. Not every one needs laptops |
| 12:25.36 | achillion | I think we're now officially going in circles. |
| 12:26.02 | jn__ | cogeek_: ok, what about used, non-Apple (a few years old) computers? how does their price scale in Pakistan? |
| 12:29.00 | cogeek_ | jn__: They are priced around $1000-$1200 for old ones here, but the sellers have mostly got them from some unofficial sources and there is no warranty on them. So buying used ones would be a bet here |
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| 12:30.02 | hrithik | Even decent laptops from dell would cost around $1500 |
| 12:31.00 | twk- | what about shipping from outside the country? how realistic is that? |
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| 12:32.12 | Valodim | I hope we'll get some numbers at the end of the program :) |
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| 12:33.08 | Valodim | hmm |
| 12:33.09 | Valodim | !stats |
| 12:33.09 | gsocbot | Valodim: I have 5 registered users with 5 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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| 12:33.28 | Valodim | heh. not the stats I was looking for |
| 12:33.35 | jn__ | cogeek_: ok, for comparison, i bought my laptop (dell business line, from 2009/2010) in for about 300$ in 2013, in germany. also without a warranty, and something is broken in it, but it works fine with linux. this seems cheaper |
| 12:33.42 | jn__ | !gsocstats | Valodim |
| 12:33.48 | Valodim | ah :) |
| 12:33.51 | jn__ | maybe |
| 12:33.58 | Valodim | ...maybe |
| 12:34.05 | jn__ | gsocstats doesn't seem to work either |
| 12:34.24 | Valodim | jn__: same here, got through most of university with a 300 euros used thinkpad |
| 12:35.47 | achillion | is currently using a 7 year old Thinkpad |
| 12:36.20 | achillion | Resilient little buggers |
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| 12:36.47 | achillion | wait! I lied. It's actually 6.5 y.o. |
| 12:37.01 | cogeek_ | Haha that's great |
| 12:37.12 | jn__ | (and mine is from 2008, how could i get that wrong?) |
| 12:37.32 | twk- | silently looks at his device |
| 12:37.36 | cogeek_ | jn__: That would the best option for us over here I guess |
| 12:37.58 | cpod | It's been said above but the money is to pay for living expenses so you can work a software job over the summer without having to work in Mc Donalds or something... It was meant to pay for a room full of macbooks.. I don't think they'll be changing their minds next year. |
| 12:38.22 | cpod | *was never meant... grrrrr |
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| 12:38.51 | cogeek_ | cpod: Yup it's not going to change mostly |
| 12:38.55 | achillion | Isn't it great when you accidentally drop the word that changes the meaning of your sentence 180°? |
| 12:40.05 | jn__ | cogeek_: btw, are there any free/open source software focused companies in Pakistan (i assume that's where you're from)? |
| 12:40.48 | hrithik | jn__: Not really, most of them are service based |
| 12:41.41 | hrithik | Though I am from India |
| 12:42.07 | cogeek_ | jn__: Nope very few I know of |
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| 12:45.45 | Freso | achillion: 6.5 rounded to full numbers is still 7, so you're good. |
| 12:45.56 | Freso | Or whole numbers or whatever it's called in English. |
| 12:46.01 | achillion | wipes the sweat from his brow |
| 12:46.09 | achillion | I was worried there for a sec |
| 12:48.02 | Freso | Yeah, no probs. I got you. |
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| 12:48.14 | achillion | :D |
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| 12:50.48 | Valodim | Freso: "integer"? :) |
| 12:51.05 | Freso | Valodim: Possibly. |
| 12:51.45 | achillion | "whole number" is also used colloquially |
| 12:52.17 | achillion | though that might also be an "official" term, not sure. |
| 12:57.08 | Freso | (I'm pretty sure it's "heltal" in Danish, literally "whole number(s)".) |
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