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| 08:50.24 | sadIndian | I was planning about what would I do with my stipend, and I just realised, I won't be able to do much. |
| 08:50.33 | sadIndian | Earlier it was 5500$ |
| 08:50.48 | sadIndian | I could have purchased a macbook and still have money for other things |
| 08:51.00 | sadIndian | Now it is 2400$ |
| 08:51.07 | sadIndian | cant even but a macbook now |
| 08:51.13 | sadIndian | super sad I am |
| 08:51.24 | jn__ | it depends on the country. people from richer countries get more money :/ |
| 08:52.23 | sadIndian | Do they not realise that electronics are even more costly in developing countries. |
| 08:53.17 | sadIndian | The stipend has been cut to more that half. |
| 08:53.26 | sadIndian | *than |
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| 08:54.48 | sadIndian | What are you guys planning to do with your stipend? |
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| 09:56.27 | Valodim | he noticed the stipend sum changed only now? also, planning how to spend the stipend before he knows (or should know) whether he's accepted? |
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| 10:26.24 | gevaerts | Also, wanting spend it on a *mac* of all things? :) |
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| 10:34.04 | panzone | gevaerts: well, I bought my current macbook with the stipend of the GSOC :) |
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| 10:36.19 | VarunAgw | Hi gevaerts panzone :) |
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| 10:36.57 | panzone | hi VarunAgw |
| 10:37.18 | VarunAgw | .stipend |
| 10:37.23 | VarunAgw | !stipend |
| 10:37.29 | VarunAgw | i forgot everything here |
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| 10:40.35 | VarunAgw | wtf.. stipend rule this year are so stupid |
| 10:40.38 | VarunAgw | https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends |
| 10:41.31 | VarunAgw | and discriminatory |
| 10:55.05 | Freso | Who's in charge of gsocbot? I've found something curious. |
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| 10:55.31 | Freso | !factoids search #gsoc --values tea |
| 10:55.31 | gsocbot | Freso: 'tea', 'no', 'odds', 'chances', 'openhatch', 'email', 'school', and 'anyone' |
| 10:55.37 | Freso | !factoids search #gsoc --values brainz |
| 10:55.37 | gsocbot | Freso: No keys matched that query. |
| 10:55.45 | Freso | !factoids search #gsoc --values stipend |
| 10:55.45 | gsocbot | Freso: "student-stipends" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends |
| 10:55.49 | Freso | Huh. |
| 10:56.13 | Freso | Well, okay. (The last one behaved differently in /query... oh well.) |
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| 13:00.19 | pyc0d3r | hi |
| 13:01.10 | palset | do organisations interview students if these organisations didn't have a challenge task or problem for students during the proposal submission period? |
| 13:01.53 | gevaerts | Some will, some won't |
| 13:03.32 | pyc0d3r | ok how was u gevaerts |
| 13:04.12 | gevaerts | can't parse that |
| 13:04.13 | palset | thanks, was just wondering as my potential organisation haven't said anything about interview or challenge task and I see students being interviewed by some orgs :) |
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| 13:06.41 | gevaerts | There aren't many rules about how organisations select students, which means there are many different ways to do it |
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| 13:13.31 | pyc0d3r | ok thats good |
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| 15:10.10 | yashdsaraf | !log |
| 15:10.10 | gsocbot | yashdsaraf: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 15:10.28 | blast007 | !logs |
| 15:10.29 | gsocbot | blast007: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 15:10.47 | yashdsaraf | blast007: Thanks |
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| 16:15.44 | AspiringMind | Hi all, can anyone having experience in working with databases help? |
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| 17:56.50 | ben__ | lol at people coming here for database support |
| 17:57.10 | achillion | Talk about being desperate. |
| 17:57.35 | achillion | "This channel probably has some devs in it. Imma ask here!" |
| 17:58.43 | ben__ | ha |
| 18:00.26 | ben__ | scrolled further up and i don't understand that guy who was planning on what to do with his stipend when he doesn't even know if he's accepted or not. this is a funny friday for sure haha. |
| 18:05.02 | r0bby | ben__: that's a red flag |
| 18:05.19 | r0bby | keep in mind if that student is accepted, the org can still ensure he doesnt get paid |
| 18:05.23 | r0bby | doing it for the $$ is bad |
| 18:06.19 | r0bby | VarunAgw: you should have known this already. |
| 18:12.52 | ben__ | r0bby: if the org recognized that guy in IRC right now, could they unaccept his proposal at this point? (assuming he's even accepted, which by the way he's talking i'm doubtful) |
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| 18:13.52 | achillion | Is "wants to buy Apple laptop" a good reason to reject someone..? |
| 18:14.10 | achillion | Or do you think it reflects a generally bad attitude? |
| 18:16.12 | Skuzzzy | mmm, is stipend intent considered when applying? |
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| 18:18.00 | gevaerts | I'd say "wants an Apple laptop" is a reason not to want to be friends with someone, not to reject them from gsoc :) |
| 18:19.00 | achillion | hah, are we getting a fanwar going? |
| 18:19.59 | ben__ | achillion: it's not so much the wanting to buy an Apple laptop, but more about his general attitude and the way he went on complaining about the stipend |
| 18:20.40 | ben__ | Skuzzzy: nope, stipend intent is not considered |
| 18:21.02 | achillion | yeah but even that... I dunno, I guess behaviour and attitude is a valid decision criterion |
| 18:21.14 | gevaerts | Depends, I guess |
| 18:21.29 | gevaerts | Some orgs want long-term contributors, some want a feature done |
| 18:21.49 | gevaerts | The former won't like someone who's in it for the money, the latter probably don't care |
| 18:23.38 | gevaerts | Well, "behaviour and attitude" always matter, but that's not entirely the same thing with stipend fixation |
| 18:23.43 | gevaerts | *as |
| 18:24.45 | gevaerts | And of course caring about the stipend doesn't always mean the same thing. People need to live |
| 18:26.22 | achillion | People need to live... WITH LAPTOPS |
| 18:26.39 | achillion | I remember I bought a Nexus 4 as soon as I got accepted :P |
| 18:26.45 | ben__ | gevaerts: well said, it's perfectly fine to do it for money as long as you do the work |
| 18:26.45 | gevaerts | I did says "caring about the stipend", not "caring about laptops" :) |
| 18:26.49 | achillion | But it was totally for the work, kay? |
| 18:27.13 | gevaerts | achillion: what you do with the stipend is entirely your own affair :) |
| 18:27.31 | achillion | Fine. I thought we were socialising here :< |
| 18:27.51 | r0bby | ben__: no |
| 18:28.03 | gevaerts | I mean, it's there. Expecting people to want to be in gsoc because of the community and the project doesn't mean you want them to refuse the money |
| 18:28.03 | r0bby | But we could email Google and say "Please unaccept this student" |
| 18:28.54 | ben__ | oh ok |
| 18:29.05 | gevaerts | r0bby: you could, but if this is the only motivation I'd say it would be overreacting |
| 18:29.35 | ben__ | second time participating in GSoC achillion? |
| 18:29.36 | r0bby | I wouldn't do that |
| 18:29.49 | achillion | ben__⺠yeah |
| 18:29.51 | achillion | mentor now |
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| 18:30.03 | ben__ | nice achillion |
| 18:30.31 | gevaerts | I mean, they're selected, not taking them would mean having no student for that slot, so you'd lose nothing by giving the situation a chance to improve |
| 18:30.32 | r0bby | 3x student, mentor all years since 2008-10; 15-present |
| 18:31.08 | r0bby | gevaerts: definitely -- and also i'm org admin so I really don't make that decision myself |
| 18:31.47 | gevaerts | nods |
| 18:32.07 | ben__ | 3 times?! nice r0bby! |
| 18:32.54 | r0bby | back when there was no real limit |
| 18:33.56 | ben__ | i'm just glad i can still participate a second time if i get accepted this year (have another project idea for same org) |
| 18:34.32 | gevaerts | r0bby was well-known back in the day for being impossible to get rid of l) |
| 18:34.40 | gevaerts | *;) |
| 18:34.48 | r0bby | gevaerts: oh you were around? |
| 18:34.58 | r0bby | I drove leslie nuts |
| 18:35.01 | r0bby | poor woman |
| 18:35.06 | ben__ | lol |
| 18:35.22 | gevaerts | I was a mentor back in 2009/2010 (or was it 2008/2009?) |
| 18:36.07 | r0bby | LOL yeh |
| 18:36.48 | r0bby | If you're a former student, look at the stats for the student group --- the top posters..I removed myself since I was org admin one year |
| 18:38.10 | r0bby | but yeh...not my proudest moments |
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| 18:40.05 | gevaerts | Details! |
| 18:40.15 | gevaerts | You stuck around, so you're a success story :) |
| 18:41.18 | ben__ | gevaerts so Google put a participation limit to get rid of r0bby, but he still wanted to participate and became an org admin? ;) |
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| 18:41.34 | gevaerts | Yes, that's basically what happened :) |
| 18:41.39 | r0bby | ben__: nahhh |
| 18:41.46 | r0bby | They still gotta deal with me |
| 18:42.20 | gevaerts | Seriously though, the limit is fairly new, and r0bby was on the other side before it IIRC |
| 18:42.33 | ben__ | haha |
| 18:43.40 | ben__ | i think the limit is good, because it leaves more opportunity open for newer participants and i have less competition with more experienced students lol |
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| 18:59.44 | r0bby | gevaerts: 2010 was my last year |
| 18:59.54 | r0bby | I liked it better on the mentor side |
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| 19:04.13 | ben__ | do orgs usually give the $500 they get to mentors? |
| 19:04.23 | r0bby | ben__: in most cases, no |
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| 19:41.50 | achillion | Do we have numbers on the total number of mentors? (and by extension, average number per org?) |
| 19:43.57 | thiago | the total number of mentors is similar to the number of students |
| 19:44.05 | thiago | usually one mentor per student |
| 19:44.27 | thiago | some orgs allow one mentor to take more than one student, others don't |
| 19:44.35 | thiago | some orgs assign backup mentors to each student, most don't |
| 19:44.41 | thiago | so in all, the numbers are similar |
| 19:47.45 | ben__ | IIRC, KDE has two mentors per student |
| 19:48.10 | terri | Python has around twice as many mentors as students, because we require two mentors per student |
| 19:48.37 | achillion | Same here |
| 19:48.49 | r0bby | Assume mentor student ratio of 2:1 |
| 19:48.53 | r0bby | on average |
| 19:48.59 | r0bby | Plus org admins |
| 19:49.06 | terri | I think at signup we usually have more than 2x, because we usually have a few mentors who go student-less due to lack of applications. |
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| 19:49.56 | valorie | we'll have quite a few of those this year |
| 19:50.06 | valorie | (kde) |
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