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| 00:18.02 | AsadSalman | Hi! Really excited for GSoC 2017. |
| 00:18.22 | AsadSalman | I was wondering if any organization was working in SDN or Virtual Networks? |
| 00:18.40 | AsadSalman | I couldn't find one, figured I should ask |
| 00:18.51 | CFS-MP3 | oliveratutexas on the other hand most students don't know C++... so you can see that supply doesn't meet demand |
| 00:18.59 | CFS-MP3 | so there's clearly an opportunity there somewhere :-) |
| 00:19.26 | oliveratutexas | Haha. I know C++ but I know enough of it to know that I'm not "good" at it yet. |
| 00:19.28 | olly | AsadSalman: GNU Radio? |
| 00:19.48 | olly | oh sorry, misread SDN as SDR |
| 00:19.51 | AsadSalman | nah, those are Software-defined Radios. |
| 00:19.56 | AsadSalman | no problem |
| 00:20.13 | oliveratutexas | Like I feel as though most of the projects here would want me to have a good grasp on writing high performance C++ code and having designpatterns down pretty well. |
| 00:21.08 | CFS-MP3 | oliveratutexas most projects require less of super programming skills and more of being persistent |
| 00:22.22 | terri | heck, that's true of most programming jobs in general, even though they claim they all want super programming skills. ;) |
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| 00:26.13 | oliveratutexas | I wish they'd be more realistic in their requirements then. I feel a lot of them are legit though. Vallorie Zimmerman was here from KDE a couple of days ago and she seemed kinda strict in the applicants that she wanted. |
| 00:28.57 | terri | I think kde is pretty realistic in their requirements. Some projects *do* require a lot, and some don't. |
| 00:30.08 | terri | You do have to look around to find a project that suits you. |
| 00:30.24 | oliveratutexas | Yeah I am. I have like a google doc and I'm iterating through it. |
| 00:30.27 | valorie | oliveratutexas: we get 3 or 4 applications for every one we can accept |
| 00:30.39 | oliveratutexas | OH HI again lol |
| 00:30.56 | valorie | thinning out the applicants is part of the reason we keep being stricter and stricter |
| 00:31.17 | valorie | we want *every* *one* of our students to have a great summer |
| 00:31.22 | valorie | if possible |
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| 00:51.18 | oliveratutexas | Okay that's understandable. |
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| 01:07.59 | Cervator | heya oliveratutexas - so which language do you enjoy better? Java by chance? :D |
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| 01:48.36 | oliveratutexas | I'm liking python mostly because of it's expressiveness. I know it's not functional, but it appreciate some of the functions that let me use functional concepts. |
| 01:49.01 | oliveratutexas | Java's okay. It's the language my school uses the most so I'm pretty familiar with it. |
| 01:51.02 | olly | look for orgs using python then - there's plenty of them |
| 01:52.52 | r0bby | Literally type python in the search box |
| 01:53.31 | r0bby | There are SO many orgs this year -- you should be able to find it |
| 01:53.43 | oliveratutexas | Oh I am lol! I've read through 15 that use python! I'm not complaining about the lack of python I was just curious as to why so many projects use C++. |
| 01:54.25 | r0bby | It happens |
| 01:54.37 | oliveratutexas | If anything, I'm trying to figure out how to narrow down projects. I was going to read through, sort by the ones I was most interested in and then feel out how competitive they were to see the likelihood of me getting accepted. |
| 01:54.39 | r0bby | C++ isn't horrible |
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| 02:26.42 | Pedro12909 | I've heard that it is too late to start getting into OpenSource if I want to get accepted for this year's program. Is this true? |
| 02:27.08 | Pedro12909 | I have no experience in the field, to be honest |
| 02:27.54 | olly | it's not too late |
| 02:28.27 | olly | starting early helps, but a lot of students start to appear about now |
| 02:28.44 | Pedro12909 | I was browsing some reddit posts and people were saying that I need to start around january |
| 02:28.52 | olly | and lots don't until student applications open, which is definitely getting a bit late |
| 02:29.10 | olly | well, reddit can't be wrong |
| 02:30.05 | Pedro12909 | I just dont know where to start. All I have that counts as experience is 5-6 months of Java and some school projects |
| 02:30.28 | r0bby | Pedro12909: start now |
| 02:30.41 | Pedro12909 | Never done anything with this scope. Every project that I look seems impossible |
| 02:30.47 | r0bby | Most require you contribute meaningful code |
| 02:31.14 | Pedro12909 | Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. Already contacted 2-3 orgs. Waiting for their reply |
| 02:32.12 | olly | it's certainly harder to find a suitable project if you have less experience, but the surest way to not get a place is to not apply at all |
| 02:32.33 | Pedro12909 | True |
| 02:32.52 | Pedro12909 | Im trying to get rid of the initial inertia |
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| 02:33.11 | Pedro12909 | Just need to grab onto something and start getting something done |
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| 02:36.56 | r0bby | Pedro12909: go download the code |
| 02:38.10 | `dubya` | while time.now() < deadline: |
| 02:38.11 | `dubya` | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.18 | `dubya` | what language is that that |
| 02:38.21 | `dubya` | pseudocode????? |
| 02:38.37 | jn__ | it's pretty much python |
| 02:38.57 | `dubya` | except ands for function calls.... |
| 02:39.24 | jn__ | well, you can do that in python |
| 02:39.46 | `dubya` | wait, you can? |
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| 02:41.22 | jn__ | the semantics a little bit non-obvious, but "and" is a valid keyword |
| 02:41.39 | `dubya` | Nice. |
| 02:42.11 | Robert_S | Glad you like it. |
| 02:43.57 | olly | isn't it essentially the same as: document() if debug() else False if code() else False |
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| 02:48.48 | Robert_S | olly++ |
| 02:52.31 | olly | i can write terrible code in any language |
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| 02:57.29 | naveen17797 | i m new to gsoc, i chose a organisation and started with a pull request to their project, is this is a way yo start gsoc? |
| 02:57.44 | Cervator | the best way, no less! |
| 02:59.26 | r0bby | naveen17797: That's the way to start |
| 02:59.37 | naveen17797 | actually i know the organisation yesterday only, so i made some changes and made a PR will my proposal get accepted? |
| 02:59.52 | r0bby | naveen17797: it's up to them |
| 02:59.59 | r0bby | it may get accepted...it may not... |
| 03:00.04 | r0bby | Google has zero say. |
| 03:01.16 | naveen17797 | okk thanks |
| 03:01.46 | naveen17797 | im not new to open source, but i havent contributed to big project like this before |
| 03:02.28 | r0bby | I've had pull requests sit for months |
| 03:06.29 | r0bby | Open source moves at a snail's pace sometimes. It's typically a side project. |
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| 06:46.20 | kindleton | Hey |
| 06:46.39 | kindleton | What's the minimum age to be a mentor for one of the orgs ? |
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| 06:46.58 | valorie | kindleton: no minimum as far as I know |
| 06:47.21 | valorie | being a mentor is about competence and helpfulness to the student |
| 06:47.29 | kindleton | i got a minor consent form |
| 06:47.36 | kindleton | i dont think i am a minor |
| 06:47.41 | valorie | each org chooses their own mentors very carefully |
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| 06:48.01 | valorie | Google has nothing to do with choosing mentors |
| 06:48.10 | valorie | that's between you and your org |
| 06:48.37 | kindleton | valorie: allow me to make my question clearer by providing certain context |
| 06:48.58 | kindleton | I got invited to become a mentor in of the orgs, I registered yesterday itself. |
| 06:49.33 | kindleton | today, i got an email about Google Summer of Code Minor Consent Form |
| 06:49.46 | kindleton | which includes a form i need to get signed from my parents |
| 06:49.50 | valorie | well, you are the one to fill out your profile |
| 06:50.02 | valorie | perhaps you should check that that is accurate |
| 06:50.24 | kindleton | so I logged to ask if the Minor age has been updated ( I think it was 18 earlier ( |
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| 06:50.48 | vinaybadhan21 | Hi |
| 06:50.52 | yashg | i don't think age should be an issue |
| 06:51.03 | kindleton | i am here to just confirm that, if GSoC has updated that barrier |
| 06:51.53 | valorie | !support |
| 06:51.53 | gsocbot | valorie: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 06:52.05 | valorie | ask the experts, kindleton |
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| 07:04.51 | sm_ | hello |
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| 07:09.24 | valorie | sm_: this is a help channel; how can we help? |
| 07:10.26 | sm_ | I need to know the irc channel of thelinuxfoundation is using |
| 07:11.00 | valorie | there is a search engine for freenode, if they are on freenode |
| 07:11.16 | sm_ | one thing from summerofcode website |
| 07:11.16 | valorie | like: /msg alis list linuxfoundation |
| 07:11.34 | valorie | if they have an irc channel it will be listed on their profile |
| 07:12.16 | sm_ | ok |
| 07:12.27 | sm_ | and one more thing |
| 07:12.46 | sm_ | there are plenty of projects i'm interested in |
| 07:13.01 | sm_ | how i decide the one in particular |
| 07:13.08 | thiago | I don't think the LF uses IRC |
| 07:13.10 | thiago | they're big on Slack |
| 07:13.43 | valorie | sm_: ask your heart what you really want to do, and your head what you already know how to do |
| 07:14.03 | valorie | you'll learn during the project, but you should know how to do about half of what you need |
| 07:14.53 | thiago | I'm not seeing the LF in https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ |
| 07:16.40 | sm_ | thiago: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5142442044030976/ |
| 07:17.10 | sm_ | valorie: thanks :) |
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| 07:17.42 | valorie | best of luck! |
| 07:18.56 | thiago | ah, it's under T |
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| 10:47.52 | dzenkova | hello, do I understand correctly that restricted countries are equivalent to embargoed countries? so, If I'm from Russia, I cannot participate? |
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| 10:49.30 | naveen17797 | i have made a pull request to my interested organisation, will that be considered as proposal? i got confused between proposal and PR.if i send. a PR will it be considered as proposal? |
| 10:50.26 | panzone | naveen17797: PR and proposal are two different things |
| 10:51.13 | panzone | a proposal is a document where you describe the project you want to do, how you're gonna do it and why you should be the one doing it |
| 10:51.20 | gevaerts | dzenkova: no. "restricted countries" in the rules are countries where for various reasons google can't send "merchandising", i.e. students from there can participate but won't get things like a tshirt |
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| 10:51.31 | naveen17797 | where i need to enter the proposal? |
| 10:51.39 | pq | naveen17797, a pull request is a request to integrate work you have already done. A proposal is a suggestion about some work you would be doing in the future. So by definition, a pull request cannot be a proposal. |
| 10:52.07 | naveen17797 | should i need to mail them? or google provides a form to submit a proposal. |
| 10:52.07 | dzenkova | gevaerts: okay, in that case what are embargoed countries? |
| 10:52.34 | panzone | naveen17797: you'll be able to send proposals when the student application period starts |
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| 10:52.49 | panzone | from the GSOC website directly |
| 10:53.33 | gevaerts | dzenkova: as I understand it, they are the countries that US companies can't trade with at all. The gsoc rules used to have a list, but apparently not anymore... |
| 10:53.44 | naveen17797 | Till then i can contribute to my interested organisation right? |
| 10:54.30 | panzone | however, you should start talking with your org and writing it. last year I've prepared a drive document for receiving suggestions before sending my "official" proposal |
| 10:55.33 | panzone | naveen17797: sure, contribute to the org is a great way for knowing their community |
| 10:57.13 | naveen17797 | thanks panzone.how many hours i need to work after gsoc starts? because only at middle of gsoc my college is on leave, on starting and ending i got working days.i can spend 7 hours on gsoc every day.will it be enough, do they consider on how much work done? |
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| 11:01.02 | panzone | naveen17797: there isn't a fixed limit, but you should treat the GSOC like a full time job |
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| 11:02.24 | naveen17797 | i can consider it like that.But my college have working days, i can work on them too, but will it affect eligibility of mine? |
| 11:05.17 | panzone | you should put it on your proposal/asking the mentor. usually it's not a problem if you're sure that you can put those 7 hours every day, but I can't answer for everyone |
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| 11:08.27 | intrigus | dzenkova: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/rules/ section 6.1 b) |
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| 11:09.33 | dzenkova | intrigus: yes, I see the rules, but I don't see the list of embargoed countries, so that's why I have doubts. |
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| 11:36.45 | sm_ | can anyone tell me irc channel of freebsd |
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| 11:38.26 | jn__ | sm_: well, guess |
| 11:38.49 | sm_ | jn__: ??? |
| 11:39.20 | jn__ | guess what the irc channel for freebsd is |
| 11:40.33 | oddvar | #ubuntu ? |
| 11:40.39 | sm_ | may be freebsd |
| 11:40.45 | yashg | #freebsd |
| 11:40.52 | jn__ | exactly |
| 11:41.15 | yashg | but you need to be idetified by the server to join the channel |
| 11:41.16 | sm_ | and they are on freenode |
| 11:41.22 | sm_ | right |
| 11:41.39 | jn__ | sm_: yes, on freenode |
| 11:41.49 | yashg | "#freebsd Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" this is what I'm getting when I try to access it |
| 11:41.57 | jn__ | yashg: oh, that's a good point |
| 11:43.24 | sm_ | i want to contact freebsd regarding Gsoc related queries |
| 11:43.29 | sm_ | so what about that |
| 11:44.23 | jn__ | sm_: join #freebsd and ask |
| 11:44.50 | Freso | yashg: So identify with services. :) |
| 11:45.10 | Freso | yashg: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
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| 11:46.45 | sm_ | i guess freebsd is on efnet |
| 11:47.38 | yashg | how long do the mentors take to reply for an email? |
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| 11:48.34 | jn__ | sm_: why do you think so? do you have problems joining #freebsd on freenode? |
| 11:49.48 | sm_ | jn__: i was trying to enter the #freebsd on freenode but since then it is loading |
| 11:50.03 | sm_ | and from feebsd's wiki page |
| 11:50.18 | sm_ | it was said that they are on efnet |
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| 12:03.13 | jn__ | sm_: i just checked the freebsd channel on EFnet and it's a lot smaller than the one on freenode |
| 12:05.25 | sm_ | jn__: but why i can't enter the channel on freenode |
| 12:06.37 | jn__ | i don't know. does your irc client show an error message somewhere? |
| 12:07.35 | jn__ | sm_: can you join #freebsd-irc? |
| 12:08.08 | jn__ | as far as i understand, that's their support channel for problems with irc |
| 12:08.48 | sm_ | jn__: yes i can join freebsd-irc |
| 12:09.51 | jn__ | maybe someone can help you join #freebsd, there |
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| 12:33.55 | moongazer | Hi |
| 12:34.22 | moongazer | Some of the organizations I sent mails to didn't reply. |
| 12:36.34 | Freso | moongazer: Did you give them a few days? Is e-mail their preferred communication method? Did you send a standard, boilerplate e-mail (ie., did you send them the same/almost the same message)? |
| 12:37.01 | Freso | If you send to mailing lists, maybe it's waiting in a queue to get approved by a mailing list admin. |
| 12:37.14 | Freso | Either way. Give it some days. |
| 12:37.21 | moongazer | Freso, I sent specific questions |
| 12:37.32 | moongazer | Freso, Okay, I will wait a few days |
| 12:37.42 | moongazer | Freso, thanks |
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| 14:00.39 | zerete | what constitutes part-time enrollment exactly? I took an hiatus with college this year and I'm only enrolled in two classes. I'm yet to find the definition of part-time for the gsoc program scope, but as far as I can tell it seems that I'm alright? |
| 14:01.00 | Freso | !support | zerete |
| 14:01.00 | gsocbot | zerete: "support" is If your issues can't be solved here, feel free to contact gsoc-support@google.com. |
| 14:01.46 | zerete | thank you, I thought this kind of question wouldn't fit in an email but the irc-open talk discussion instead |
| 14:01.56 | zerete | I'll send an email right now |
| 14:02.46 | achillion | Does the GSoC care beyond what the Uni/institution can certify? |
| 14:03.44 | achillion | I mean in the end (I would assume) it depends on what the University writes on the certification letter for the student. |
| 14:03.47 | achillion | full time or part time |
| 14:04.25 | zerete | afaik it doesn't work like that here; there is no "full time" or "part time" just "amount of credits taken" |
| 14:04.39 | achillion | I see |
| 14:06.32 | Freso | zerete: I see you're in Spain. :) What university are you at? What org./kind of org. are thinking of applying with/for/to? |
| 14:07.17 | zerete | I'm enrolled in UNED (distance education), I was looking mainly at openMRS but... mifos? seems good too |
| 14:07.39 | Freso | Okay. :) Good luck! |
| 14:07.42 | zerete | both overlap with what I'm studying this year and seem to fall within something I enjoy |
| 14:07.48 | zerete | thanks a lot |
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| 14:21.59 | Tommaso_work | Hi all. Simple question: is there an official GSoC poster I can print and hang on my department ? |
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| 14:42.26 | ram_ | Tommaso_work: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/resources/media |
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| 15:01.27 | Tommaso_work | Thanks, exactly what I needed ! |
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| 16:19.22 | new_user | how a beginner should begin to find a project for gsoc ? |
| 16:20.00 | Cervator | new_user: look at the org list for a project that seems interesting to you :-) |
| 16:20.32 | Cervator | that might be from what the project works on (operating system, programming language, public service, video game, etc) or what languages and tools they use |
| 16:20.51 | new_user | many projects seems interesting but i just have the basic programming skill in python |
| 16:22.58 | Cervator | probably look for an interesting Python-based project then, try to get it running from source :-) |
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| 16:23.32 | new_user | but project requires other skills as well |
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| 16:30.46 | wasiq | new_user: you have to talk to the mentors about it, and then decide if the project is right for you. Applying for a project that you do not understand or cannot do will be bad for both you and the organization. |
| 16:31.12 | wasiq | :) so pick something you like and start discussing it. |
| 16:31.25 | new_user | thanks :) |
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| 18:33.30 | zerete | if no organization accepts any of my proposals, how can I still get into open source developing? If it happens I don't get accepted, should I just stalk for some time any open source community and then try to take a similar approach as the examples gsoc gives? |
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| 18:34.18 | zerete | I know it's slightly offtopic but I'm guessing gsoc is not only about an internship but also about the OS communities and software |
| 18:34.25 | Skaldarnar | zerete: nothing keeps you from contributing _without_ getting paid by google. |
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| 18:34.55 | Skaldarnar | most communities would be happy to gain new contributors, even if they could not accept for GSOC. |
| 18:35.19 | zerete | yeah, I know, but how do people that? I've heard that multiple times but it seems like just sorting through issues, bugs or TODOs and then going the extra mile researching the codebase and its needs is like slightly risky |
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| 18:36.02 | zerete | I mean, it's a lot of effort for a first approach |
| 18:36.09 | panzone | zerete: well, you're gonna research the codebase/read documentation even if you're accepted to the GSOC |
| 18:37.01 | zerete | yeah but with gsoc you have a system backing you and some extra *perks* |
| 18:37.24 | zerete | in the sense that everything seems more friendly and there is a sort of formal path written |
| 18:37.39 | zerete | friendlier*? |
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| 18:43.49 | Skaldarnar | imho a good org will help you regardless of whether you are a GSOC student or not. |
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| 18:54.25 | CFS-MP3 | zerete in all non-dead projects you have a community backing you |
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| 18:56.33 | zerete | I know, the emphasis was more on the sort of path that is described in the student guide than in the *friendliness* part |
| 18:57.33 | zerete | like, if I decide to contribute outside of gsoc how can I avoid being rude? all that previous preparation and formalisms that seem to be sort of expected are ok or is kind of an overkill? |
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| 19:01.19 | sumit | i have 1 doubt who will choose the project mentor or student? |
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| 19:02.41 | Cervator | hi sumit - students pick an idea to write a proposal about. Mentors help you finalize the proposal and at the end the org chooses among the prepared proposals |
| 19:02.43 | CFS-MP3 | zerete if you contribute outside of gsoc you just contribute :-) Send a pull request, or bug report, or write some tutorial, etc. Basically you do whatever you want and if it's good it will be accepted and if it's not good they will tell you why |
| 19:02.59 | CFS-MP3 | if you don't tell you why then find a better project to contribute to, you don't want to deal with assholes |
| 19:04.05 | CFS-MP3 | sumit don't take this the wrong way, but please make sure you read all the GSoC documentation, both generic and specific to whatever orgs interest you. Asking questions in the FAQ is not a great way to start the GSoC journey :-) |
| 19:05.01 | Cervator | good point :) |
| 19:05.22 | sumit | cfs: i am not sure what area and which org i should choose for gsoc project |
| 19:06.24 | panzone | sumit: that depends on your skills and interests |
| 19:08.16 | sumit | panzone: yaa i know that but i am interested in system programming |
| 19:09.22 | sumit | so, which organization i should choose? |
| 19:09.27 | zerete | good to know, thanks |
| 19:09.41 | PulkoMandy | sumit: maybe look in the "operating systems" category then? |
| 19:09.51 | zerete | hope I feel more comfortable about doing it after trying here, and I've just seen there is a web with past accepted orgs |
| 19:10.01 | Cervator | sumit: any preferred language? you'll need to go over the org list and filter by one or more things |
| 19:10.06 | PulkoMandy | picking an org is a personal choice, you have to find a project that you think is interesting and worth your skills and time |
| 19:10.18 | PulkoMandy | we can't do this for you |
| 19:11.06 | sumit | pulkomandy: thanks |
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| 19:28.07 | Pedro__ | Hi everyone! |
| 19:29.11 | Pedro__ | First time applying for GSoC. Anyone willing to spare some tips to someone that is completely lost? |
| 19:33.50 | PulkoMandy | Pedro__: hi! |
| 19:33.59 | Robert_S | Read the documentation. |
| 19:34.03 | PulkoMandy | well, ask some questions, let's see what we can do to help :) |
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| 19:46.19 | Pedro__ | I cant find a project that seems do-able in 3 months, at least with my current experience. I've looked at most organizations and everything seems impossible |
| 19:46.28 | Pedro__ | I have basic Java experience btw |
| 19:47.24 | Pedro__ | The most complex project I did, was an app that managed a sports event (register partners, register athletes, etc) |
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| 19:47.59 | Pedro__ | i had a look at some orgs that used Java, and all their ideas list mention things that I never heard before |
| 19:48.04 | Pedro__ | Getting kind of discouraged here :s |
| 19:51.29 | Robert_S | Did you look at actual projects from previous years? There's a wide range. |
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| 19:54.00 | Pedro__ | Where can I find those? |
| 19:57.09 | Robert_S | That's your first test. :) |
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| 20:00.33 | Skaldarnar | Pedro__: even though the topics might sound scary in the first place you should not be discouraged. |
| 20:01.20 | Skaldarnar | get in touch with the community(s) that interesets you the most and try to figure out more details on possible projects by talking to the people ;-) |
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| 20:04.41 | Pedro__ | I tried to look to their issues page and see If I could find something to work on, but everything looks out of my scope |
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| 20:05.26 | Pedro__ | I didnt manage to get in contact with most of the organizations. The feedback I got from some was to look at their GitHub page and try to fix some issues. |
| 20:05.42 | Pedro__ | Still yet to talk with someone from inside the team to guide me tho |
| 20:05.53 | Pedro__ | I feel like it is too late to start |
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| 20:10.12 | Skaldarnar | get started simple: select a project, check out the source code, get it to run locally, etc. |
| 20:10.31 | panzone | Pedro__: it's not too late, last year I've started during this period and I was selected. Sure, there is a lot to do but it's not too late |
| 20:13.36 | Giripriya | panzone: how much coding background did you have when u started ? |
| 20:14.13 | Pedro__ | This ^^ |
| 20:14.36 | Pedro__ | Did you have any Open Source experience before starting? |
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| 20:15.42 | panzone | Pedro__: when I've participated my first time in 2014 no, I didn't had any experience in open source |
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| 20:16.25 | Pedro__ | What was the thing that helped you out the most before applying? |
| 20:18.02 | panzone | that GSOC was my first involvement in open source development. I also hadn't any significant experience (I was at my third year of university) |
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| 20:19.28 | Cervator | on another general note: it is never too late to get started (well, before the deadline!) if you look around to find the right organization. Last year i believe a few orgs actually ended up not requesting any slots at all as simply not enough good students had sought them out |
| 20:20.08 | Cervator | so sure some orgs are going to be super competitive and end up giving slots mostly or entirely to students that by this time were already active contributors, but others may be starving for students and have mentors just aching for somebody to help :-) |
| 20:20.33 | panzone | Pedro__: interacting with the community. really, I know it seems scary at first, but just presents you nicely and talk about the project and you'll be fine. they know you're a student and that wants to do experience |
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| 20:22.53 | Pedro__ | I don't want to be annoyinh, but could you elaborate on what projects you did? |
| 20:23.42 | panzone | in 2014 I've participated with mono, in 2016 with chapel |
| 20:24.23 | intrigus | panzone what did you work on mono? |
| 20:25.15 | panzone | intrigus: on their garbage collector (and no, I didn't had any experience with garbage collectors before that experience) |
| 20:26.53 | Pedro__ | Sooo, is it normal to feel absolutely lost at this point? |
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| 20:28.22 | Cervator | yes :D it's ok! |
| 20:28.33 | panzone | Pedro__: it is, but the important thing is to continue regardless. don't avoid searching for a project or an org |
| 20:28.38 | Pedro__ | Good to hear that! |
| 20:28.45 | Cervator | more than anything a positive attitude, an open mind, and some self motivation will help |
| 20:29.10 | Pedro__ | I already have an org in mind |
| 20:29.34 | Pedro__ | I just saw that they have a "How to start" guide |
| 20:29.45 | Pedro__ | Thanks for all the solid advice guys! |
| 20:29.52 | Cervator | :-) |
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| 20:58.24 | d3r1ck | /c/c |
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| 22:16.19 | benstrumental | Is it fair to require students disclose if they've applied to other organizations in their applications (to help sort out conflicts before they occur)? |
| 22:17.02 | olly | yes |
| 22:17.24 | benstrumental | thanks |
| 22:17.37 | olly | and we aren't allowed to discuss acceptance with them, so if we don't ask them we can't respect any preference they may have |
| 22:17.58 | benstrumental | right, that's the rule I was thinking about which made me wonder if this is allowed |
| 22:18.30 | gevaerts | If you ask early, you aren't implying anything about selection |
| 22:18.37 | olly | i'd be careful to avoid using it as a criterion during selection (even subconciously) |
| 22:19.55 | benstrumental | We're adding it to the section marked "this section will not be used in evaluating your application" |
| 22:20.01 | olly | gevaerts: exactly - you can ask everyone before applications close and it reveals nothing; once you know the number of slots, it's a strong hint |
| 22:21.04 | olly | benstrumental: that sounds like a good idea, I might steal it! |
| 22:22.51 | olly | though if it's like last year, the first org to pick the student gets them which means the other org will probably just pick a different student if they have another good one |
| 22:24.00 | terri | I think we negotiated quietly behind the scenes for a few top students last year. |
| 22:24.16 | olly | i like that the org admins who are on the ball get preferential treatment - the old way it the slack ones caused pain for everyone involved |
| 22:24.21 | valorie | benstrumental: we have in the past worked out a way to share mentors or so |
| 22:24.29 | valorie | and work with the other org |
| 22:24.41 | valorie | so that a great student gets to do a project no matter what |
| 22:24.52 | valorie | we=KDE |
| 22:24.56 | benstrumental | we actually had 2 conflicts last year, both of which we lost to other orgs, even though the students had expressed preference for us :( |
| 22:25.03 | valorie | :( |
| 22:25.30 | benstrumental | but we still had a great summer of code |
| 22:25.33 | olly | that is the downside of the new way |
| 22:25.34 | valorie | we have lost great students before, yes |
| 22:25.40 | valorie | it's a moment of pain |
| 22:26.15 | olly | but at least from the student pov they really need to only apply for projects they'd be happy to do |
| 22:26.29 | valorie | I agree |
| 22:26.42 | benstrumental | yeah, it ended up working out |
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| 22:34.57 | SIELA1915_ | hey! if one is 18 years old but not at university yet, can they still apply? |
| 22:37.15 | olly | SIELA1915_: only if you're accepted |
| 22:37.36 | olly | accepted for a place at a university that is |
| 22:38.04 | SIELA1915_ | ah ok, thx |
| 22:38.50 | olly | "or have been accepted for the fall term" says the FAQ, though that seems rather Northern-hemispherist |
| 22:39.24 | SIELA1915_ | ok, too bad... will have to wait some more then :/ |
| 22:44.21 | intrigus | SIELA1915_: You can still get involved in opensource :) |
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| 22:51.33 | SIELA1915_ | yeah i know, intrigus :) |
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