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| 07:36.04 | Pranav | How to find and connect on other IRC clients |
| 07:42.50 | jn__ | what do you want to connect them with? |
| 07:46.05 | Pranav | Sorry my bad, IRC clients are just software programs |
| 07:46.38 | Pranav | can you please elaborate me with channel structure and working |
| 07:50.02 | valorie | Pranav: you might find alis useful - /msg alis list searchterm |
| 07:50.13 | valorie | will find you channels here on freenode |
| 07:51.31 | valorie | to find out about any channel, read the links in the /topic |
| 07:52.35 | Pranav | Thanks |
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| 16:21.38 | yarinoz | Hi |
| 16:23.07 | Freso | yarinoz: Hello. |
| 16:24.48 | yarinoz | I am a student and beginner in computer science. I would like to know what all skills I need to develop in order to start contributing to open source projects and eventually become a professional good enough for software developer/engineer |
| 16:25.23 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: There's only one way ! Just start ! |
| 16:25.36 | yarinoz | And if there is any online resource I can start on? |
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| 16:25.57 | yarinoz | I don't know from where to start, I am a complete beginner |
| 16:26.00 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: I'd suggest you choose a few orgs you find interesting, find their issue tracker and start working on them |
| 16:26.10 | yarinoz | issue tracker? |
| 16:26.28 | PulkoMandy | there is the GSoC student guide, which has some generic advice (not all of it specific to GSoC), but then, most specific things are to be discussed with the particular project(s) you are interested in |
| 16:26.40 | PulkoMandy | I think all of them should have some "getting involved" pages on their website |
| 16:26.43 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: well, whenever there is a bug/issue in a software, that's where we report it/log it |
| 16:27.01 | PulkoMandy | and if they don't, well, then it's the first thing you can contribute to them: writing a nice page for newcomers to become involved |
| 16:27.06 | yarinoz | anshuman73: Gotcha |
| 16:27.32 | yarinoz | How do you decide which programming language to choose as main? |
| 16:27.43 | anshuman73 | :) also, PulkoMandy's advice might be a good way to start |
| 16:27.55 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: whichever one you're most comfortable in |
| 16:27.55 | yarinoz | PulkoMandy: Checking Student Guide |
| 16:28.10 | PulkoMandy | yarinoz: it did not work this way (chosing a language for me) |
| 16:28.23 | PulkoMandy | I decided to join a project, and learnt the language I needed on the way |
| 16:28.35 | PulkoMandy | and 10 years later I'm still learning new things about it |
| 16:28.50 | yarinoz | PulkoMandy: Which project did you join? Can I see how a software developer works? |
| 16:29.22 | PulkoMandy | well, I can tell my own story with open source things, but it will be different for everyone |
| 16:30.03 | PulkoMandy | the first large contribution I did is work on GrafX2, a pixel painting software, which the authors had abandonned. It was old code for MS-DOS, and I rewrote large parts of it to run under Windows and Linux instead |
| 16:30.04 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: A good way to start might be an open-source software you use everyday |
| 16:30.18 | PulkoMandy | I was mostly alone working on that for some time, but then some other people joined to help |
| 16:30.22 | yarinoz | anshuman73: I am currently running Kubuntu 16.10 |
| 16:30.35 | PulkoMandy | I did this only because I needed such a drawing tool and couldn't find anything at the time |
| 16:30.47 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: well, then I think you might be interested to contribute to that ;) |
| 16:31.15 | PulkoMandy | later on, I joined the Haiku project (www.haiku-os.org) because I think it is a great OS. I did GSoC as a student with them (back in 2009), and now as a mentor and contributor |
| 16:31.17 | yarinoz | PulkoMandy: Ah, that's good to know. Thanks for sharing ... |
| 16:31.35 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: I think valorie here is active with Kubuntu |
| 16:31.35 | yarinoz | Great |
| 16:31.43 | PulkoMandy | and there are dozen other things on my github page, and dozens more I try to not start working on because I wouldn't have enough time for everything |
| 16:31.56 | yarinoz | Yes, I came to know about github |
| 16:32.16 | yarinoz | I am little scared and wonder if I am right for computer sciene |
| 16:32.19 | yarinoz | science* |
| 16:32.50 | yarinoz | Is there any test I can take which can help me reassure? |
| 16:34.24 | PulkoMandy | tests are good for school, only, not for real life |
| 16:34.56 | yarinoz | I also wonder how do open source software developer earn money? Agreed, working on open source project is like unpaid internship for developing skills and learning but eventually how do open source development helps a person make a living/survive |
| 16:35.24 | PulkoMandy | in Haiku, we have several important contributors who don't know how to write code (or very little), they can still be very helpful, by reporting bugs, testing everything, animating the forums, etc |
| 16:35.39 | PulkoMandy | so, everyone can find a way to contribute, no matter their skills |
| 16:35.52 | PulkoMandy | also you will always find someone to explain you things you don't understand |
| 16:36.37 | PulkoMandy | as for getting paid, you are right, in most cases people don't make a living out of open source software, but there are exceptions. Thing I can think of, let's see |
| 16:37.11 | PulkoMandy | 2 years ago I could work full time on Haiku, this was funded by the user community who donated enough money to make it possible. I made several improvements to our web browser during that time |
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| 16:37.57 | PulkoMandy | there are some companies that work with open source technologies, either as a tool to make some other software, or as their main thing (selling ready-to-use services based on open source code), they can hire people too |
| 16:38.39 | PulkoMandy | but outside of the money-earning aspects, it is also a great way to learn and experiment about different technologies, meet a lot of people, and something you can put on your resume if the companies you apply to value it |
| 16:38.53 | PulkoMandy | (not all of companies do, sadly) |
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| 16:41.24 | yarinoz | PulkoMandy: Do you contribute to open source as a hobby or is this your main job |
| 16:41.49 | PulkoMandy | at the moment it is only a hobby, for the most part |
| 16:42.20 | PulkoMandy | in my main job I use a lot of open source tools, and if I happen to need to make changes there, I try to contribute it back. But at the moment this is often only on small side-projects |
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| 17:04.47 | yarinoz | I think I need to develop myself in math as well |
| 17:05.04 | yarinoz | PulkoMandy: anshuman73 ^ |
| 17:05.12 | yarinoz | Could you suggest any online resource? |
| 17:05.56 | Freso | yarinoz: Really, I'd go with anshuman73's advice: «There's only one way ! Just start !» |
| 17:06.12 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: I don't think math is exactly a prerequisite. I'm in high school tbh. |
| 17:06.43 | Freso | Find a project you're interested in and approach them. Mostly anything you need to learn you can pick up as you go, and it will vary from project to project. |
| 17:06.57 | yarinoz | Freso: I don't think I am good enough to contribute that it's better that I learn more before I dive in |
| 17:07.06 | Freso | Ie., there's no reason to learn a lot about sound processing if you're going to work on an image editor. |
| 17:07.08 | yarinoz | Freso: Ah I see |
| 17:07.12 | Freso | yarinoz: I disagree. |
| 17:07.18 | yarinoz | Okay, I'll take that |
| 17:07.25 | Freso | Everyone's good enough to contribute. |
| 17:07.45 | Freso | is happy to have anshuman73 contribute to "his" org. :) |
| 17:08.15 | yarinoz | I would like to see though how software developer work. I am basically trying to see two things - assess myself whether I made the right choice and second, to become good at one thing |
| 17:08.34 | yarinoz | I could see github projects but I couldn't understand things there |
| 17:09.01 | yarinoz | Freso: Which open source org you are affiliated to? |
| 17:09.12 | Freso | yarinoz: MetaBrainz. |
| 17:10.02 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: and yes, like Freso pointed out that I said before. Best way is to choose an org and get started, you learn everything while trying out stuff. |
| 17:10.14 | anshuman73 | thanks Freso :) |
| 17:10.30 | Cervator | i can echo the sentiment here - there is no minimum skill level needed, more of an open minded personality :-) |
| 17:10.44 | anshuman73 | +1 |
| 17:10.48 | Cervator | if you have no skill *and* refuse to listen to anybody ... then yes ;-) |
| 17:10.50 | yarinoz | Freso: Is MetaBrainz related to Music metadata source? I think I came across something similar while using Amarok |
| 17:11.05 | Freso | yarinoz: MusicBrainz is one of MetaBrainz's projects, yes. |
| 17:11.10 | yarinoz | Oh yes |
| 17:11.12 | yarinoz | Cool |
| 17:11.23 | yarinoz | I have used that, it's great |
| 17:11.31 | Freso | :) |
| 17:11.35 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: Music metadata is one of our projects, and I guess if you'd like to talk more about it, join #Metabrainz, it'll probably reduce the noise here for people |
| 17:11.36 | yarinoz | Amarok in itself is a rockstar |
| 17:12.04 | Freso | Amarok is also open source, so you can probably approach them if you want to contribute to that project. |
| 17:12.19 | yarinoz | Understood |
| 17:12.34 | yarinoz | anshuman73: I hope our conversation is not offtopic for this chan |
| 17:12.44 | yarinoz | I guess I am exploring |
| 17:13.19 | Freso | No, it's not offtopic. :) |
| 17:13.21 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: not unless you're planning to participate in GCI/GSoC anytime soon :) (which might be, considering you're starting with OPS |
| 17:13.36 | yarinoz | OPS? |
| 17:13.57 | anshuman73 | OPen Source |
| 17:13.58 | yarinoz | Yes, I am looking forward to GCi and GSoC in future |
| 17:14.07 | anshuman73 | awesome ! |
| 17:14.34 | Freso | anshuman73: Open Source is usually abbreviated OS/OSS (Open Source Software). :) |
| 17:14.45 | yarinoz | anshuman73: Do you have computer science course as part of your high school curriculum? |
| 17:14.54 | yarinoz | Gotcha |
| 17:14.58 | anshuman73 | Freso: ahh, yes. well, my bad |
| 17:15.04 | Freso | also didn't know what "OPS" was referring to :p |
| 17:15.12 | yarinoz | Yeah ... |
| 17:15.38 | Freso | anshuman73: Sometimes prepended with a mix of "F" ("Free") and "L" ("Libre"), e.g. FOSS or FLOSS. |
| 17:16.05 | anshuman73 | yarinoz: yes, but it has nothing to do with what I contribute. I'd say high school Computer Science curriculum hasn't helped me a bit in all 3 years of my GCI(ing) (at least I can speak for my curriculum in India) |
| 17:16.30 | Freso | (Difference between "free software", "libre software", and "open source software" are to a large extent theoretical so the terms are most of the time used interchangably.) |
| 17:17.25 | yarinoz | anshuman73: So you started with MetaBrainz contributing on what all avenues? |
| 17:18.26 | anshuman73 | when I started -> I wanted to try it. Now -> Its wonderful culture is what keeps me there :) |
| 17:18.53 | Freso | ð |
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| 17:39.51 | dpmittal | agrees with anshuman73 |
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| 18:07.12 | cdesai | anshuman73: completely different here in gujarat, where oss software is encouraged by the curriculum |
| 18:07.22 | cdesai | ubuntu in schools, people learn bash basics, vim even. |
| 18:07.54 | cdesai | (gujarat is one of the 29 states in India) |
| 18:08.01 | Freso | I like Gujarat already. :) |
| 18:08.12 | anshuman73 | cdesai: well, Gujarat was under Modi ;) |
| 18:08.21 | cdesai | there's also Kerala where the government is using FOSS :) |
| 18:08.33 | dpmittal | cdesai: what? Me stunned I'm from jharkhand BTW |
| 18:09.15 | dpmittal | anshuman73: now whole of India is under Modi ððð |
| 18:09.35 | Freso | watches all the Indians creep out of the woodwork ð |
| 18:10.19 | anshuman73 | Freso: :p |
| 18:10.44 | cdesai | we do have ##gsoc-india but it's a ghosttown |
| 18:10.51 | anshuman73 | cdesai: this is genuinely great to hear ! I wish all states adopt this... |
| 18:11.24 | ignacio | says hi |
| 18:11.34 | dpmittal | Hi ignacio :) |
| 18:11.49 | cdesai | ignacio: hola |
| 18:11.52 | anshuman73 | waves at ignacio |
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