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| 06:53.58 | bakshinder | Hey Channel Admin! I wanted to ask how do you decide which proposal to select for a student when no preference order is asked for during multiple proposal submissions? |
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| 06:57.01 | bakshinder | @Adam Please tell me who is admin/resolves doubts? |
| 06:57.17 | olly | bakshinder: don't hilight random people |
| 06:57.47 | olly | if you submitted multiple proposals, it's assumed you're happy to do any of them |
| 06:57.54 | olly | if you aren't, why did you submit them? |
| 06:58.19 | bakshinder | @olly But there must be some preference in them too? |
| 06:58.38 | olly | the org admins decide |
| 06:58.45 | olly | in the case where two orgs want a student |
| 06:58.48 | bakshinder | I am happy in both! but happier in one :P |
| 06:58.59 | olly | if the student has said which they prefer, they may take that into account |
| 06:59.04 | olly | but there is no requirement to |
| 06:59.20 | olly | we certainly can't come and ask you |
| 06:59.37 | bshah | in previous year it was done that way though, right? |
| 06:59.39 | olly | since google say not to talk about acceptance with students |
| 06:59.46 | bakshinder | How's that an issue? |
| 06:59.55 | olly | bshah: you've never been supposed to go and ask students AIUII |
| 06:59.58 | olly | *AIUI |
| 07:00.24 | olly | the deduplication meeting that used to happen was here, so any that got to that stage got a strong clue |
| 07:00.37 | olly | but most orgs resolved duplicates before that |
| 07:00.50 | bshah | hmm... |
| 07:00.59 | olly | this year the first org to try to mark a student as accepted gets priority, but can release them |
| 07:01.34 | bakshinder | So would a student know he is already marked? |
| 07:01.40 | olly | we've always told students that if they have a preference, make sure either we know or the other org admin does |
| 07:01.43 | olly | no |
| 07:01.47 | bshah | bakshinder: on 22th yes.. :p |
| 07:02.08 | olly | actually, nobody is already marked, so you know that now |
| 07:02.12 | bakshinder | Oviosly :P |
| 07:02.19 | olly | but once you are marked, you don't know |
| 07:03.05 | olly | if you have a preference, i'd go and tell the org you prefer |
| 07:03.53 | bakshinder | But that would be detrimental for my chances to other orgs too? right? |
| 07:04.01 | olly | why would it? |
| 07:04.05 | olly | they wouldn't know |
| 07:04.36 | olly | TBH it seems unlikely it'd change anything if you told both orgs |
| 07:04.52 | olly | i can't see why i'd want a student less because they have a preference elsewhere |
| 07:05.38 | bakshinder | A sense of retaliation for that student! Isn't it? |
| 07:06.00 | olly | seriously? |
| 07:06.17 | olly | if the org are like that, do you really want to work with them? |
| 07:06.45 | olly | but if you have such concerns, just tell your preferred org |
| 07:06.53 | bakshinder | Or if they may have a slighly less good candidate they may prefer that too |
| 07:07.40 | bakshinder | Just telling them to choose me as early as possible would suffice and lock me onto that org right? |
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| 07:10.43 | olly | bakshinder: sure, though if another org contacted me and you were the only proposal they wanted to accept, it would be cruel not to release you to them |
| 07:10.58 | olly | and leave them without any students |
| 07:11.37 | olly | student preference isn't the only factor |
| 07:12.15 | olly | i would worry more about getting accepted at all, rather than where |
| 07:12.29 | bakshinder | olly: then I may leave it upto God to decide :P and not do anything if it may be cruel to anyone! |
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| 07:14.00 | bakshinder | And one more doubt based on last conversation did you decide that If an org takes just 1 student they may get it just an added padding for boosting comfidence among other things for that org |
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| 07:14.56 | olly | bakshinder: i don't understand your question |
| 07:15.04 | bakshinder | even if that student has multiple acceptances |
| 07:15.45 | bakshinder | do you specifically assign him that org which just took him? |
| 07:16.23 | olly | we've not seen exactly how it works this year (new software) |
| 07:16.42 | olly | i think we probably just unselect and the other org admin can then select |
| 07:17.16 | bakshinder | how do you plan to resolve conflicts, you may get many this year? |
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| 07:18.25 | olly | personally i aim to mark the students we want promptly, and deal with any collisions case by case |
| 07:20.27 | bakshinder | So you are talking from org perpective, and whats org admin perpective? |
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| 07:20.47 | olly | i'm an org admin |
| 07:22.02 | bakshinder | yep that's okay but you dont know how to quantify that promptness for org |
| 07:23.09 | bakshinder | If a candidate is good for a particular org he may be good for other too! So promptness measure is difficult to measure I guess |
| 07:26.45 | bakshinder | olly: how many proposals have been submitted this year? |
| 07:27.04 | olly | no, i mean mark the students we want to accept soon after the slots are allocated |
| 07:27.43 | olly | i don't think that's been announced yet |
| 07:29.30 | bakshinder | When will this slot allocation be done? |
| 07:30.06 | olly | oh actually: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2016/04/google-summer-of-code-marches-on.html |
| 07:30.13 | olly | in about a week |
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| 07:35.04 | bakshinder | olly: Thanks! |
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| 07:48.29 | bakshinder | olly: does mentors also fill in their preference for students for a particular project? |
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| 07:50.47 | valorie | bakshinder: in the KDE org, the mentors do most of the selection work |
| 07:50.59 | valorie | but that will vary by org I believe |
| 07:51.42 | olly | It is up to each org how they sorry through students, but I would expect the mentors to be closely involved |
| 07:51.59 | olly | Since they have to work with the students |
| 07:52.14 | bakshinder | valorie: but that student you accepted may also have been accepted by other orgs |
| 07:52.29 | valorie | yes |
| 07:52.58 | valorie | if so, we'd work that out with the other org |
| 07:53.18 | bakshinder | olly: sorry? |
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| 07:54.57 | valorie | bakshinder: some admins are also mentors, but I would say that at least in large orgs, they are not |
| 07:55.14 | valorie | the mentors are the ones working directly with each student |
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| 07:57.26 | bakshinder | So all the orgs know about a student has applied to these orgs |
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| 07:58.51 | bakshinder | valorie: do you think knowing that a student has applied to multiple orgs affects his chances? |
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| 08:02.38 | Anuj | bakshinder is very curious for this gsoc |
| 08:03.52 | PaliwalSparsh | Hi, just wanted to tell you guys that in the deadline card of dashboard page on gsoc website, even when a student has submitted multiple proposals it says "Nice work! You have submitted a proposal."....."a"......don't know if its intentional :) |
| 08:05.55 | Anuj | PaliwalSparsh, Don't worry. There is no problem. Here 'a' is just for "you filled the proposal you are with us till anouncement" |
| 08:05.59 | valorie | bakshinder: if the student is open and honest, I would award them points for that |
| 08:06.15 | valorie | if the opposite... same |
| 08:07.19 | bakshinder | valorie: so I can reveal to all orgs but they know already i guess now |
| 08:08.29 | valorie | unless the student tells us, we don't know |
| 08:09.11 | valorie | if there is a duplication, we'll be told I guess |
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| 08:41.34 | bakshinder | valorie: just went offline if you were saying anything after duplication can you please repeat? |
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| 08:42.10 | bakshinder | Anuj: thanks for pointing out! |
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| 08:49.59 | bakshinder | valorie: do you think orgs will downweight that student if duplication for that student comes up and take someone else and if it both orgs act similarly then student may rejected altogether isn't it? |
| 08:52.01 | bakshinder | olly: does stephanie comes up on IRC anytime? |
| 08:54.28 | gevaerts | thinks that last question may be inefficient |
| 08:54.41 | gevaerts | *many* people know the answer to that one, but now only olly can answer! |
| 08:56.13 | bakshinder | sorry guys! all: does stephanie comes up on IRC anytime? |
| 08:57.00 | bakshinder | sorry gevaerts: Can you tell! |
| 08:57.12 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 08:57.23 | gevaerts | (and yes) |
| 08:57.36 | bakshinder | When? |
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| 08:57.45 | gevaerts | Usually during California business hours |
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| 08:59.47 | bakshinder | gevaerts: how can you record IRC session? |
| 09:00.05 | olly | I can't see why you'd decide you didn't want a student because they'd applied elsewhere |
| 09:00.25 | olly | Unless they'd lied to you and said they hadn't |
| 09:00.30 | gevaerts | By using a client that does that for you? |
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| 09:00.49 | olly | Surely it just confirms they are a good choice? |
| 09:00.56 | bakshinder | gevaerts: Can you name some? |
| 09:01.27 | gevaerts | The only reason I can think of for rejecting a student who prefers another org is the mentor suddenly realising they too prefer that org and leaving |
| 09:01.47 | gevaerts | I don't know, it might have happened |
| 09:02.20 | gevaerts | bakshinder: I use irssi. I hear there are other clients, but I don't know anything about those |
| 09:02.50 | bakshinder | gevaerts: Is it free? |
| 09:03.46 | bakshinder | gevaerts: Can it work even if I am offline? |
| 09:03.48 | gevaerts | Depends. Are you one of those people who believe that the BSD license is the only truly free license? |
| 09:04.46 | gevaerts | No irc client can work when it's offline, and all irc clients can work when *you* are |
| 09:06.48 | bakshinder | Means my system which runs IRC client needs to be online is there any server/recorder option so that I may retrieve my conversations even of my system stays off interent |
| 09:07.01 | bakshinder | *internet |
| 09:08.34 | Freso | bakshinder: Look up "IRC bouncer", that seems to be what you want. |
| 09:09.39 | valorie | bakshinder: what I said, was honesty and openness are paramount to me |
| 09:09.49 | valorie | character is more important than skill |
| 09:10.36 | valorie | lying and hiding would count against a student IMO |
| 09:11.50 | valorie | and about bouncers: both bnc and znc are free and open source |
| 09:11.58 | valorie | so is quassel |
| 09:14.19 | bakshinder | valorie: but I can't gather courage to tell them as I fear both will shun me altogether and would seems as betrayal to both |
| 09:15.32 | valorie | why would that be a betrayal? |
| 09:15.43 | valorie | we're not enemies, or even competitors |
| 09:15.58 | valorie | all us orgs and admins and mentors are friends |
| 09:16.25 | valorie | but you don't have to believe me |
| 09:16.46 | valorie | I just say that honesty and openness count for a LOT for me |
| 09:16.58 | valorie | and I'm an admin for KDE, one of the larger orgs |
| 09:17.28 | valorie | I have absolutely no problem with a student who has also applied to another org |
| 09:17.35 | bakshinder | Your accomodating nature may not be replicative among others? |
| 09:17.52 | valorie | we've even shared mentors with other orgs |
| 09:18.10 | valorie | and our mentors have done the same with other orgs |
| 09:18.20 | valorie | believe me, all FOSS orgs support one another |
| 09:18.55 | valorie | this is nothing like Windows vs Apple or so |
| 09:19.17 | valorie | KDE and GNOME have even had our annual meetings together a few times |
| 09:19.47 | bakshinder | actually both are research labs in separate universities so they may not have a feeling like FOSS as they may doing their concerted research |
| 09:20.42 | gevaerts | I strongly believe that if any org can't deal with students applying elsewhere and/or preferring another org, they do *not* belong in gsoc |
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| 09:22.04 | valorie | gevaerts: agreed |
| 09:23.56 | bakshinder | gevaerts: valorie: thanks |
| 09:23.59 | valorie | goes to bed and hopes bakshinder opts for sunshine |
| 09:24.08 | valorie | yw |
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| 10:58.40 | Freso | Anyone around who know if slot allocation announcement is going to be at 19:00 UTC as well, or is it just going to be "sometime on the 13th"? |
| 10:59.00 | Freso | (Not really critical, just curious. :)) |
| 10:59.15 | Freso | (And none of the mails seem to give more than the date.) |
| 10:59.40 | gevaerts | This is a betting opportunity! |
| 10:59.46 | gevaerts | says 19:05 UTC |
| 11:00.01 | Freso | :p |
| 11:00.19 | Freso | 19:11! |
| 11:02.29 | bakshinder | Will it be public? |
| 11:03.28 | olly | no |
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| 11:06.26 | bakshinder | So does time matter anyway then? |
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| 11:06.58 | gevaerts | Of course it does |
| 11:07.06 | olly | space too |
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| 11:07.35 | bakshinder | how? |
| 11:07.51 | gevaerts | At least, it being public or not doesn't change whether it matters in any way |
| 11:08.39 | gevaerts | Slot allocation is presumably (not sure, new software and all...) also when orgs can begin marking students as selected |
| 11:09.09 | olly | and the first org to mark a student get priority, so I can see on-the-ball admins caring |
| 11:09.12 | gevaerts | So organisations that paid attention lately may well want to start selecting right away |
| 11:09.28 | olly | i like that the new system rewards the attentive admin |
| 11:09.40 | gevaerts | Or the timezone-lucky admin :) |
| 11:09.43 | olly | whereas the old one tended to let the slack admins make a mess |
| 11:09.52 | gevaerts | Yes, that's true |
| 11:09.55 | bakshinder | So its a realtime selection system :) |
| 11:10.10 | olly | gevaerts: we have carefully arranged for ours to be in opposing timezones |
| 11:10.36 | gevaerts | olly: so the selection time will start when one is asleep and the other one is in a meeting :) |
| 11:10.40 | olly | it'll be interesting to see how it pans out |
| 11:11.00 | olly | i don't think either of us have those sort of jobs |
| 11:11.16 | olly | (we neither sleep nor have meetings) |
| 11:11.24 | bakshinder | So it can be okay to ask the org about this slots allocation thing then? |
| 11:11.57 | olly | i think sttaylor said we shouldn't tell students our slot allocation |
| 11:12.30 | bshah | it depends on org.. org may disclose the number or may not |
| 11:12.46 | bshah | remembers reading it in some google doc |
| 11:12.52 | olly | that has been the case previously, but IIRC this year she said we shouldn't |
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| 11:13.02 | bakshinder | So is it today at 1900UTC? |
| 11:13.21 | bshah | what is today? |
| 11:13.26 | bshah | today is nothing? |
| 11:13.27 | bshah | !next |
| 11:13.28 | gsocbot | bshah: "next" is 22 April 16:00 UTC Accepted student proposals announced on the Google Summer of Code 2016 site. |
| 11:13.47 | bshah | bakshinder: if you are student.. you should worry about this date and nothing else ^ |
| 11:14.07 | bakshinder | Slot allocation date? |
| 11:14.20 | bshah | not today |
| 11:14.24 | olly | no, 22nd is the date that matters |
| 11:14.59 | Freso | bakshinder: Org.s have been adviced to not disclose allocated slots. |
| 11:15.15 | bshah | right.. I mis-read |
| 11:15.27 | Freso | bakshinder: So if you ask an org. admin or mentor about that, you will put them in an awkward position. |
| 11:15.33 | olly | Freso: thanks for confirming, I failed to find the email in question |
| 11:15.44 | bshah | its @ March 8 |
| 11:15.45 | Freso | olly: Np. |
| 11:16.09 | olly | i guess the concern is that it may reveal information about acceptence |
| 11:16.20 | Freso | Organisations have basically been asked to not talk about anything Google decides from now and until Google themselves reveal the details. |
| 11:16.26 | olly | e.g. if an org has 4 proposals and 4 slots, it's pretty obvious... |
| 11:16.47 | Freso | Yeah. |
| 11:16.47 | bakshinder | Freso: thanks |
| 11:18.07 | Freso | And I guess also in case that Google has messed something up and needs to change something, so an org. having gotten 4 slots, but then getting adjusted to 3 or 5 may confuse some people. And also, just because an org. has received 5 slots does not mean they'll actually end up with 5 projects. |
| 11:18.53 | bakshinder | So does new org get more support wrt more slots or it based on number of students applied to an org? |
| 11:19.09 | olly | new orgs will generally get 1 or 2 |
| 11:19.12 | Freso | New org.s will generally receive 1 or 2 slots. |
| 11:19.14 | Freso | Heh. |
| 11:19.34 | Freso | ð @ olly |
| 11:20.47 | olly | google don't really talk a lot about what they base the allocation on, but doing a good job in past years, getting good feedback from past students, etc are likely important |
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| 11:21.12 | Freso | All of which are things new organisations do not have. :) |
| 11:21.44 | Freso | So if a new org. does really well this year, chances are good that they'll be given more slots in coming years. |
| 11:22.02 | bakshinder | Good as in? |
| 11:22.19 | bshah | Success rate + Student feedback etc |
| 11:22.24 | bshah | lots of factor |
| 11:22.32 | Freso | Also, new org.s will likely not really know what is required of them during the course of the GSoC, so it's also a way to let them ease into it, rather than just dumping a huge workload on top of them. |
| 11:23.27 | Freso | (MetaBrainz has been in GSoC for a number of years by now, but last year was our first GCI, and I certainly was wary of exactly what was going on. I think we managed to pull through okay though. :)) |
| 11:24.04 | bshah | hehe |
| 11:24.32 | bshah | this is my first year admin-ing but well KDE have other kool admins too so it works out.. :D |
| 11:25.49 | bakshinder | Does anything contributing now or doing will benefit my chances of being selected? |
| 11:26.06 | olly | bakshinder: keep in touch with the org |
| 11:26.16 | olly | if you've not worked on a patch yet, get on with one |
| 11:26.41 | bakshinder | But they dont have patches open? |
| 11:26.50 | olly | ? |
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| 11:26.59 | olly | their code isn't open? |
| 11:27.04 | olly | how are they in gsoc then? |
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| 11:28.11 | bakshinder | Nope they dont have any open issues! |
| 11:28.37 | olly | pick an intitial part of your proposal and try to implement it? |
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| 11:28.53 | olly | or ask if they can suggest something to work on |
| 11:29.30 | olly | quite impressive to have no issues open though |
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| 11:29.47 | olly | i wish we did |
| 11:30.13 | bakshinder | olly: they dont build fully on github |
| 11:32.07 | gevaerts | How does github come into this? |
| 11:33.02 | Freso | Lots of organisations/projects do not use GitHub to track issues. |
| 11:34.01 | bakshinder | then how does they do? |
| 11:34.44 | gevaerts | Most of them use a bug tracker |
| 11:34.57 | bakshinder | offline? |
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| 11:35.31 | gevaerts | is confused |
| 11:35.35 | bshah | IMO you should research that instead of asking here.. |
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| 11:36.14 | Freso | ^ |
| 11:37.00 | Freso | You should, in fact, probably even have researched this before finishing your application for your given org... |
| 11:37.04 | bshah | hack even.. (sorry for being harsh) but at least you should've known that at this point.. |
| 11:38.34 | Freso | I don't think we would approve a proposal where the applicant didn't know where our bug tracker was located. (Hint: we don't use GitHub for tracking issues.) |
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| 11:41.22 | bakshinder | Freso: its research lab and everyone just posting issues on their mailing list |
| 11:41.47 | olly | nice |
| 11:42.34 | Freso | bakshinder: Well, there you go. That's their issue tracker then. |
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| 11:45.12 | bakshinder | Freso: but they generally say Contributing is relevant only during application period. |
| 11:45.33 | Freso | bakshinder: Well, there you go. |
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| 11:46.21 | Freso | The people in here are not (necessarily) from the org.(s) you have applied to/for, so we're only able to help you in general terms. |
| 11:46.43 | Freso | If you want advice specific for the org.(s) you have applied to/for, you should ask them. |
| 11:47.07 | bakshinder | If I quote a converation here would it be fruitful |
| 11:47.13 | Freso | !logs |
| 11:47.13 | gsocbot | Freso: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
| 11:47.24 | Freso | The logs are public and available there ^ |
| 11:48.00 | gevaerts | doesn't see anything novel or interesting having been said here on the topic |
| 11:48.08 | Freso | (They're only updated once a day though, so our current conversation will not be there yet.) |
| 11:48.23 | Freso | gevaerts: I guess that's up bakshinder to decide. :p |
| 11:49.17 | olly | i don't think I'd be overly impressed if a student told me i was wrong and quoted IRC logs at me |
| 11:49.32 | olly | different orgs do things differently, and they've every right to |
| 11:49.37 | Freso | Yep. |
| 11:49.43 | gevaerts | Freso: of course, but I don't really see how telling an organisation that some people somewhere have said that some organisations use bug trackers and not everyone uses github will achieve anything, nor do I see what it *should* achieve |
| 11:50.10 | olly | OTOH, even if they say contributions aren't relevant now, it's not going to hurt your case if you submit a good looking patch at this point |
| 11:50.57 | olly | at worst it'll make no difference to your application, but you'll still likely learn something |
| 11:51.20 | Freso | I've said to some applicants that came in just a tad too late that they're welcome to stick and around contribute over the summer and the rest of the year until next summer, as that would drastically increase their chances of us accepting them next year. |
| 11:51.58 | Freso | So if you start contributing to the project now properly and continue doing so regardless of you being selected or not, your chances of being accepted next year will be higher. |
| 11:52.21 | Freso | We're all open source projects and will continue going regardless of GSoC. |
| 11:53.09 | Freso | GSoC is a nice boost over the summer, but GSoC was not always there and is likely to not always be there, but the FOSS projects soldier on. |
| 11:53.46 | Freso | So if you approach a project with the attitude that you *really like* the project and you would *really like* to contribute to the project - then contribute to the project as if there was no GSoC. |
| 11:54.16 | CuriousLearner | Freso, +1 |
| 11:54.38 | Freso | If they then end up accepting whater GSoC proposal you made - great! But if not, you're still getting involved with an amazing FOSS project and is going to learn things and making the (FOSS) world a better place all the while. |
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| 11:55.33 | Freso | (And if you stick to the project, they'll know who you are when next GSoC comes around and you'll know the intricacies of the organisation much better yourself as well, both of which are likely to work in your favour then.) |
| 11:57.14 | bakshinder | One doubt- What does Google get while sponsoring FOSS? |
| 11:57.47 | tbr | you doubt that google gets something out of sponsoring FOSS? |
| 11:58.05 | M-aviraldg | ha |
| 11:58.31 | M-aviraldg | Open a random Google application and check out the licenses section. |
| 11:58.31 | bakshinder | in GSoC context |
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| 11:59.26 | gevaerts | They at least get a lot of positive PR from it |
| 12:00.28 | bakshinder | gevaerts: They have to shelve out so much funds for getting that positive PR |
| 12:00.38 | CFS-MP3 | gevaerts I don't see lots of PR about GSoC except within the audience that already thinks well of google |
| 12:00.54 | CFS-MP3 | But it's known that google uses lots of open source stuff internally |
| 12:00.59 | gevaerts | bakshinder: look up how much google turns over every year, and work out how much gsoc costs |
| 12:01.02 | Freso | CFS-MP3: "Thinks well of Google" is somewhat of a stretch. |
| 12:01.24 | CFS-MP3 | this is also a good way to reach possible new employees |
| 12:01.25 | gevaerts | CFS-MP3: I don't know. The audience is "open source people", not all of those start out as google-lovers |
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| 12:01.32 | Freso | ^ |
| 12:02.01 | Freso | Lots of (tech. minded, incl. FOSS) people are trying to keep Google out of their lives as much as possible. |
| 12:02.01 | CFS-MP3 | gevaerts the audience is good developers :-) May be part of the open source ecosystem or just be willing to become part of it |
| 12:02.16 | bakshinder | gevaerts: Putting whole Google in context is meagre but you could that PR for even less too |
| 12:02.54 | gevaerts | bakshinder: (a) I doubt it, and (b) I didn't say PR is the only reason |
| 12:02.57 | CFS-MP3 | Freso that's fine, but there's a difference between not wanting to give google to much "access" and not acknowledging that they have top engineers and products |
| 12:03.20 | CFS-MP3 | it's also a nice place to work |
| 12:03.32 | Freso | CFS-MP3: But from acknowledging that to *liking* Google... they don't have to go hand-in-hand. |
| 12:03.37 | gevaerts | CFS-MP3: looks like *you* don't need gsoc then :) |
| 12:03.56 | CFS-MP3 | gevaerts I don't work at google :-) But I'm close to them in some ways |
| 12:04.14 | CFS-MP3 | GSoC is just one of the many programs they have with the developers communities |
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| 12:04.49 | ries | When I say 'Comment on proposal' does this also show up for students or is this between mentors only? |
| 12:05.11 | ries | II wait, I see that already on the left |
| 12:05.17 | olly | ries: indeed |
| 12:05.21 | CFS-MP3 | And well, it's one of the few companies that don't just ask for also give, so in that way I do respect them |
| 12:05.38 | CFS-MP3 | scary as it is of course :-) |
| 12:06.26 | Freso | Yep. I definitely have mixed feelings towards Google myself. |
| 12:07.25 | bakshinder | Is sponsoring Open-Source Google keeps a check on them? |
| 12:08.23 | Valodim | people have mixed feelings towards pretty much every big thing. think states, food vendors, media... |
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| 12:09.15 | Valodim | at least google doesn't do trump, animal cruelty, or war propaganda :) |
| 12:09.16 | bakshinder | gevaerts: Is sponsoring Open-Source Google keeps a check on them? |
| 12:10.43 | Anuj | Android is open source. |
| 12:11.18 | bakshinder | But when it gets abolute power God knows what it'll do? |
| 12:11.37 | Valodim | now that's just silly |
| 12:11.48 | bakshinder | haha |
| 12:12.20 | Freso | bakshinder: Lots of corporations give donations to various charities or set up various "trust funds"(?). |
| 12:12.37 | Freso | Sometimes this is public, sometimes it isn't. |
| 12:14.14 | Freso | tries to find a word on WP... |
| 12:15.58 | olly | foundation? |
| 12:16.48 | bakshinder | philanthropy? |
| 12:16.51 | Freso | Anyway, it's typically to give corp.s a "social profile" or a "green profile" etc. |
| 12:17.30 | bakshinder | CSR? |
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| 12:17.51 | Freso | CSR, yes. |
| 12:18.17 | Freso | Thank you. :) |
| 12:18.33 | olly | Cambridge Silicon Radio? |
| 12:18.51 | Freso | In the case of GSoC/GCI, Google actively heavily relies on a number of open source projects. |
| 12:19.43 | Freso | GSoC/GCI is a way for Google to help FOSS projects which in turns means that these FOSS projects will continue to be of value to Google. |
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| 12:20.22 | Freso | (Also, even for FOSS projects that Google don't use directly, "no project is an island" and improving on one project may end up making another project better too.) |
| 12:20.48 | bakshinder | But this process isn't it slower whereas google itself could have done it? |
| 12:21.21 | Freso | I doubt Google could have done the work of hundreds of students+mentors. |
| 12:21.42 | Freso | Plus, the purpose of GCI/GSoC isn't just to code stuff, it's also to bring new contributors to the projects. |
| 12:22.22 | Freso | 3/7 employees in MetaBrainz are ex-GSoC students. |
| 12:22.52 | bakshinder | Why are other big companies coming inline with sponsoring Open Source? |
| 12:23.08 | Freso | We have 2 or 3 former employees as well that used to be GSoC students too. |
| 12:23.08 | bakshinder | Sorry Aren't? |
| 12:23.15 | Freso | bakshinder: Ask them. :) |
| 12:24.12 | Freso | Really, if you really want to dig around for a nefarious reason for why Google is doing GSoC/GCI, go ahead, but you're unlikely to be aided in that in here. |
| 12:24.34 | Freso | Also keep in mind that none of us currently active here actually work for Google. |
| 12:24.40 | bakshinder | not nefarious |
| 12:24.59 | Freso | It feels like it, since you don't want to accept the reasons we give you. |
| 12:25.13 | bakshinder | just pro for Open Source |
| 12:26.15 | bakshinder | its not like I ain't accept your reasons I am just presenting my concerns |
| 12:26.49 | Freso | bakshinder: https://developers.google.com/open-source/ |
| 12:26.59 | Freso | Those are the people running GSoC/GCI. |
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| 12:31.24 | Freso | Oh, and olly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility |
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| 14:19.49 | ries | Is it possible to delete a comment? |
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| 14:27.16 | xzcxcxc | help |
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| 14:34.37 | mndar | ries: which comment? the one in google docs? |
| 14:34.47 | ries | mndar: melange |
| 14:35.50 | mndar | ries: I thought they aren't using melange for this year |
| 14:35.57 | mndar | *year's GSoC |
| 14:36.02 | mndar | are u a mentor? |
| 14:36.34 | ries | this website I mean : https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/ |
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| 14:36.42 | ries | Isn't that not the 'new melange' ? |
| 14:37.04 | ries | I am a mentor |
| 14:37.39 | mndar | ries: oh. I am a student. |
| 14:37.58 | mndar | that's the right site |
| 14:38.25 | gevaerts | "new melange" with the quotes might be correct :) |
| 14:40.48 | mndar | ries, gevaerts: I guess this new interface doesn't allow interaction between mentors and potential students. Last year's interface made that possible |
| 14:41.22 | ries | mndar: actually, the inerface is confusing and I make mistakes, so I want to remove some of my empty comments and some other typeo's |
| 14:42.27 | mndar | ries: hmmm |
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| 16:23.48 | downey | "new melange" doesn't really have a new name yet :-) |
| 16:25.11 | M-aviraldg | Materialange :P |
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| 16:28.20 | downey | oooh |
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| 16:47.27 | bakshinder | Hey is stephanie there? |
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| 16:48.24 | bakshinder | gevaerts: what's stephanie's IRC nick? |
| 16:48.47 | olasd | bakshinder: you might want to ask your real question instead of highlighting random people? |
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| 16:50.18 | M-aviraldg | She is, but you'd probably get a better response if you asked your question directly. |
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| 16:56.38 | bakshinder | How to tell org of preference during conflicts phase? |
| 16:56.56 | meflin | are you a student? |
| 16:57.08 | bakshinder | yep |
| 16:57.26 | meflin | talk to your mentors beforehand |
| 16:57.43 | meflin | you agreed to do either and its not your decision |
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| 16:58.29 | bakshinder | i didn't get your last part |
| 16:58.38 | bakshinder | sorry pardon? |
| 16:58.50 | meflin | the orgs make the decision not you |
| 16:59.24 | bakshinder | how to tell them politely? |
| 16:59.55 | meflin | I also applied to x and prefer Y |
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| 17:01.13 | neverpanic | (potentially add: for reason Z) |
| 17:01.24 | bakshinder | But this may sound rude isn't it if its not that org |
| 17:01.38 | meflin | that isn't rude its reality |
| 17:02.05 | meflin | you should have already informed them that you where applying to other orgs |
| 17:04.06 | bakshinder | So telling them today out of blue would raise concerns in them |
| 17:04.35 | meflin | stop over thinking and be honest |
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| 17:06.45 | neverpanic | if you want to be excessively polite: "I'd really love to work with both your orgs, that is not an easy decision, would prefer X, see you maybe next year, yadda yadda" |
| 17:07.25 | gevaerts | neverpanic: that *does* sound like it's your decision |
| 17:08.07 | neverpanic | s/decision/choice of preference/ then |
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| 17:11.09 | bakshinder | If first org does not get enough slot then it may detrimental for chances in second org too isn't it? |
| 17:11.22 | meflin | that isn't your problem |
| 17:11.26 | olasd | you're really thinking too much |
| 17:11.36 | meflin | stop thinking and start coding |
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| 17:16.39 | panzone | bakshinder: look, I'm also a student and I tell you that you shouldn't worry about these problems |
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| 18:05.20 | Uli- | fellow org admins, do you know of a way how to get the list of potential mentors to display or export? |
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| 18:30.55 | meflin | click members up top from the dashbord page to view |
| 18:31.04 | meflin | or exports to export |
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| 21:25.17 | lfam | Hi, I'm trying to register an account on https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/ to serve as a mentor for the GNU organization, but it appears that registration is closed. Is there any recourse? |
| 21:25.51 | gevaerts | lfam: mentors get invited by an org admin this year |
| 21:25.52 | meflin | lfam, you get an invitation email if the org admin invites you |
| 21:26.13 | lfam | Okay, I'll pass that on to the person that asked me to register. |
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| 21:36.44 | meflin | ';lkgfdmnbv |
| 21:36.52 | meflin | oops |
| 21:37.29 | gevaerts | Oh, is it time for the cat-or-password quiz? :) |
| 21:37.45 | meflin | cleaning keybord after I spilled water all over |
| 21:39.46 | meflin | fortunatly its a waterproof keybord |
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| 21:41.37 | gevaerts | Those are always useful |
| 21:42.29 | meflin | oddly I spill water alot but never my tea |
| 21:42.39 | meflin | probably mental :) |
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| 22:19.09 | mateusjabour | hello |
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| 22:20.37 | teepee | hi |
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| 22:34.35 | mateusjabour | I need help with an issue with the proof od enrollment |
| 22:35.01 | meflin | you should use the email in the faq |
| 22:35.02 | teepee | if it's something general, just ask, otherwise |
| 22:35.05 | teepee | !proof |
| 22:35.05 | gsocbot | teepee: "proof" is If you have questions or concerns about your enrollment document, don't ask on IRC or on public mailing lists, read https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/proof-of-enrollment - if you still need help, contact gsoc-support@google.com instead. |
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