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| 00:05.00 | Robert_S | terri: Hrm. Ok. I can't replicate it, but I suspect it's all related. |
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| 00:37.13 | cokovskis | Hi, can anyone tell me how much ECTS credits do we get if we successfully complete GSoC? |
| 00:42.02 | teepee | cokovskis: you probably need to ask someone from your university |
| 00:42.36 | cokovskis | I thought so, teepee. Thanks. |
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| 00:47.33 | relsqui | terri: heh, glad it helped |
| 00:47.38 | relsqui | Robert_S: lmk if you want answers to those questions for me also |
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| 01:00.51 | Robert_S | relsqui: Unless you remember the exact sequence of what you typed in and clicked on, not sure. |
| 01:01.56 | relsqui | was pretty much top down, but, k. I'll stick around for a bit and am pokeable if that's useful |
| 01:02.50 | Robert_S | relsqui: Are you a student or a mentor? |
| 01:03.29 | relsqui | I've been invited as a mentor; the person who invited me mostly actually wants people to help review student proposals, I'm not sure how involved I'll actually get beyond that |
| 01:03.36 | Robert_S | nods. |
| 01:05.40 | Robert_S | Ok, let me test this as a mentor. |
| 01:05.51 | Robert_S | relsqui: Did you use any non low-ascii characters anywhere |
| 01:05.56 | relsqui | nope |
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| 01:09.08 | dark0de | Ha finally in |
| 01:09.47 | meflin | yes you are |
| 01:10.18 | relsqui | good job :) |
| 01:13.11 | Robert_S | relsqui: Ok, assuming you entered a First, a Last, a Phone, and picked a gender. |
| 01:13.29 | Robert_S | You left Receive Stuff on by default and picked a t-shirt style and size. |
| 01:14.06 | Robert_S | You opted in or out of the mailing lists, and got down to your address. |
| 01:14.15 | Robert_S | I don't want specifics, just yes no. |
| 01:14.25 | Robert_S | Feel free to not answer if you're not comfortable. |
| 01:14.29 | Robert_S | Are you in the US or Canada? |
| 01:15.31 | relsqui | correct, US |
| 01:16.03 | Robert_S | Did you click between fields or tab? |
| 01:16.50 | relsqui | tab, mostly or all. but I did the dropdowns by clicking since I couldn't navigate them with my keyboard |
| 01:16.58 | relsqui | so I might've clicked into some fields because I was doing that |
| 01:17.18 | Robert_S | up/down should work after you tab into the dropdowns. |
| 01:17.23 | Robert_S | Did you click ship to the above address? |
| 01:17.33 | relsqui | yes |
| 01:17.43 | relsqui | that I definitely clicked on |
| 01:18.10 | relsqui | (and yeah, true, re dropdowns -- but the behavior I'm used to is being able to e.g. hit 'o' three times in the "state" dropdown to get to oregon, and that didn't work so I stopped trying) |
| 01:18.28 | Robert_S | It's more like autocomplete. and it's a little flaky |
| 01:18.47 | relsqui | oh, as in if I typed "or"? didn't even occur to me, heh |
| 01:20.35 | Robert_S | Thank you. |
| 01:20.41 | Robert_S | Replicated twice. |
| 01:20.44 | Robert_S | And once more for good luck. |
| 01:20.46 | relsqui | sweet :) no problem |
| 01:21.49 | Robert_S | And three times. |
| 01:21.51 | Robert_S | Time to re-file the bug. |
| 01:25.05 | Robert_S | Thank you again for your help. |
| 01:25.16 | relsqui | quite welcome, thanks for digging into it! |
| 01:26.22 | relsqui | of public things google does, I bet gsoc has a higher than typical rate of the people who encounter bugs knowing how to investigate and talk about them, heh |
| 01:26.40 | Robert_S | One would hope. |
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| 02:24.34 | bywaterloo | Public Labs folks. is there anything i should be doing right now as a potential mentor for GSoc? i've read through the GSoC Ideas page, and placed my name by the ones I'm interested in |
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| 03:22.44 | gsocer14 | hi, is there any ETA on how much time it will take to get enrollment proof approved? |
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| 03:25.06 | olly | gsocer14: i've not heard one, but i wouldn't worry about it - you'll get a chance to provide something else if what you've provided isn't suitable |
| 03:25.44 | olly | right now better to focus on your proposal |
| 03:26.34 | gsocer14 | OK, thanks for information |
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| 03:45.57 | s | heyyy |
| 03:46.33 | Guest5495 | anyone here knows how many proposals can b applied to the google code of summer |
| 03:47.23 | Guest5495 | ??????? |
| 03:48.42 | olly | Guest5495: the limit is 5, but sending 1 or 2 is more sensible |
| 03:48.55 | olly | this is not a lottery, quality > quantity |
| 03:49.04 | Guest5495 | is it applicable for any country ??? |
| 03:49.22 | Guest5495 | cz the organizations differ frm country to country |
| 03:49.29 | olly | you should perhaps read the FAQ |
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| 08:07.54 | Guest12602 | hello, could anyone tell me what is the maximum number of proposals we could submit for gsoc |
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| 08:10.25 | Ch3ck | !faq Guest12602 |
| 08:10.42 | Guest12602 | !faq |
| 08:10.42 | gsocbot | Guest12602: "faq" is https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq |
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| 08:11.51 | valorie | Guest12602: keep in mind that quality is the important part |
| 08:12.06 | valorie | quality and communication with the org |
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| 10:47.31 | tonyj_ | Just curious about how a mentor sign up for GSoC this year? |
| 10:47.41 | gevaerts | !mentor | tonyj_ |
| 10:47.41 | gsocbot | tonyj_: "mentor" is Mentors no longer need to apply. Ask one of your organisation admins to invite you. |
| 10:47.49 | gevaerts | That's the short answer :) |
| 10:48.18 | tonyj_ | aha~ Got your |
| 10:48.22 | tonyj_ | got you |
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| 11:05.25 | RAHUL_ | Is there any benefit of submitting final proposal early ? Though i have shared the draft ... |
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| 11:10.38 | panzone | RAHUL_: I can't actually see a benefit, if you remember to submit the final proposal in time. |
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| 13:58.46 | Thomas_ | Hi all |
| 13:59.05 | kvps | HELLO |
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| 14:00.17 | ThomasHuehn | Hi all... I have a question to aks, maybe soneone can hel me out here |
| 14:01.25 | ThomasHuehn | I am a mentor in our Freifunk GsoC organisation and I potentially supervise three topics |
| 14:02.16 | ThomasHuehn | I do not find any login for me as mentor on the google GsoC page ... is my expectation wring that there should be a mentor login or am I wrong here ? |
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| 14:03.05 | gevaerts | !mentor | ThomasHuehn |
| 14:03.07 | gsocbot | ThomasHuehn: "mentor" is Mentors no longer need to apply. Ask one of your organisation admins to invite you. |
| 14:03.25 | ThomasHuehn | ah ok |
| 14:03.43 | ThomasHuehn | ... thx .. than I contact our admin in this case |
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| 14:10.18 | abhishekg5 | Hi, While student registration on gsoc site, under Education, we have to enter school name or college name or wherever we presently are ? |
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| 14:13.42 | kvps | ya collage name |
| 14:15.32 | abhishekg5 | kvps: Are you sure ? |
| 14:19.45 | kvps | yes |
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| 14:44.55 | shaif | hii ,, how much time does it take to review proof of enrolment ?? |
| 14:45.50 | kvps | about university enrolment |
| 14:46.13 | shaif | kvps:yaa |
| 14:46.24 | shaif | i uploaded id card recently |
| 14:46.37 | kvps | okzzzz |
| 14:46.53 | kvps | you have to weight until they conform your identity |
| 14:47.13 | anne__ | it will probably happen before the student projects are announced |
| 14:47.45 | bshah | so students can submit proposal even if it is not confirmed? |
| 14:47.48 | bshah | <-- mentor |
| 14:47.54 | gevaerts | I believe so, yes |
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| 14:48.30 | shaif | And if the id is not accepted do i get another cance to upload .txt document?? |
| 14:48.34 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 14:48.45 | gevaerts | If it's not good enough, you will get contacted |
| 14:49.43 | shaif | O-o.. Thanks everyone.. |
| 14:49.53 | gevaerts | The procedure as I understand it is to upload something you believe is sufficient and then proceed as if everything is OK. If everything is *not* OK, you get contacted and you fix the issues |
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| 14:50.10 | bshah | this time it says they will send email if it is accepted |
| 14:50.31 | gevaerts | The workflow is really designed to minimise the workload on the google side of things, because there are only a few people there who have to manage all of entire gsoc |
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| 14:52.22 | halo | does gsoc organisations have a training or a short induction period before the real project begins, such that students can catch up ? |
| 14:53.07 | kvps | yes |
| 14:53.30 | gevaerts | halo: nothing formal, but that's what the community bonding is for |
| 14:53.50 | kvps | that's known as a community bonding period, where you plan your code |
| 14:53.56 | gevaerts | Although of course you should usually be interacting with the organisations even before that |
| 14:54.23 | kvps | yes , through irc |
| 14:54.24 | gevaerts | If you have no idea what's going on, your proposal is unlikely to get accepted in the first place :) |
| 14:54.33 | gevaerts | Not necessarily irc... |
| 14:55.14 | kvps | ? |
| 14:55.16 | gevaerts | While many organisations do use irc, not all of them do, and for those that do it's not always the most used communcation medium anyway |
| 14:55.24 | halo | how do I communicate to them any official links or any freenode channels |
| 14:55.43 | kvps | search for their mailing list |
| 14:55.51 | gevaerts | They should have listed ways to talk to them on the organisation page on the gsoc website |
| 14:56.13 | halo | thanks |
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| 15:00.57 | halo | I haven't communicated to organisations yet and I got really interested in one of the projects should I communicate now or just leave it to proposal |
| 15:01.20 | gevaerts | Communicate |
| 15:01.42 | gevaerts | Communication is really key to a successful gsoc project |
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| 15:02.06 | halo | but i've got no references from anybody |
| 15:02.47 | endle | Excuse me, I've sent my proof of enrollment to the website two days ago, but it is still pending reviewing. Is it normal? |
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| 15:03.45 | gevaerts | endle: yes, don't actively wait for that to be complete. Assume it's OK, and get on with your proposal and with talking to organisations |
| 15:03.58 | endle | Thanks |
| 15:04.17 | gevaerts | You'll get told when it's accepted, or if it's not good enough and you need to provide something more |
| 15:04.48 | gevaerts | halo: I'm not sure what you mean by that. You don't need references to talk to people |
| 15:04.51 | shaif | Can I reupload proof of enrolment even after student prop time?? |
| 15:06.03 | kvps | no just weight for a while , you still have 8 days to go |
| 15:06.16 | halo | got it gevaerts, thanks |
| 15:06.38 | kvps | if you didn't get any conformation in two days then try it again, |
| 15:06.53 | kvps | i am sure you will get it soon |
| 15:08.21 | gevaerts | shaif: I don't know when the ultimate deadline is, but I assume that if what you uploaded isn't sufficient you get enough time to provide more, and I suspect the ultimate deadline is a bit before the decision deadline, not the proposal deadline |
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| 15:10.00 | kvps | things take time |
| 15:10.14 | kvps | work more on proposal |
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| 15:42.48 | martianwars | hey everyone! Had a small question. The website asks for an initial draft and a final proposal. Once I upload a PDF for the Final Proposal, am I permitted to edit this upload? Or is this the final document that will be submitted to the organization? |
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| 15:48.36 | teepee` | martianwars: yes, you can update the final proposal too, that is just not visible to anyone until the application period closes |
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| 16:09.44 | irene_ | Hello everyone. Can we edit the proposals even after 25th? Last year, I think the project mentor could give you the permission to edit the proposal. |
| 16:09.57 | irene_ | Is it the case this year too ? |
| 16:10.51 | gevaerts | I don't know, but I wouldn't count on it (just like in previous years counting on organisations allowing it was a bad idea) |
| 16:11.35 | irene_ | gevaerts, thanks. |
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| 16:13.18 | sttaylor | irene_: no, once you submit the final proposal and the deadline passes on March 25th you can not edit your proposal. |
| 16:14.10 | sttaylor | if you are accepted as a student you can change your abstract and project title later but not your actual proposal as that would not be fair to other students who submitted their final pdfs before the deadline |
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| 16:57.43 | akshays | did you guys get my email from akshayshipurkar@gmail.com |
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| 17:07.23 | tyyppi_ | another one I keep hearing good things about it The Illusion of Life |
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| 17:07.35 | tyyppi_ | oops, wrong channel /o\ |
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| 17:40.24 | sneelu | hi |
| 17:40.39 | sneelu | I'm trying to sign up to the Google Summer of code, but it doesn't let me |
| 17:40.49 | sneelu | It says I'm ineligible. |
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| 17:41.14 | sneelu | What's the minimum age for participation? |
| 17:41.38 | sneelu | I'm in the UK, if that makes a difference... |
| 17:42.17 | sneelu | Never mind, I saw this: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/ |
| 17:42.22 | sneelu | Thanks anyway |
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| 17:52.47 | snbk1897 | Hi! I had a question to ask: I have a basic understanding of coding (Not very much comfortable with structural programming) and have tried out few of the languages like python, C a bit of Java. I'm not very proficient with their respective libraries. So is it recommended for me to join Gsoc2016 or skip this year? |
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| 17:57.41 | snbk1897 | ... |
| 17:57.48 | snbk1897 | Hello..?! |
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| 17:58.27 | snbk1897 | ... |
| 17:58.33 | snbk1897 | Indians... |
| 17:58.56 | meflin | it depends find project you like and get involved |
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| 18:00.01 | snbk1897 | I saw few code bases and it took me quite a bit of time to understand it , even needed online resources for few |
| 18:00.26 | snbk1897 | I checked them at google melange 2015 |
| 18:01.05 | meflin | the student guide has a section on this |
| 18:02.09 | agobin | snbk1897: GSoC is not only for the best. I'll advice you to look at organisations and their ideas list. Check out their projects and see which of them you can do then contact the project's mentor and discuss further. |
| 18:03.43 | snbk1897 | Thanks! I'll try to find organization |
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| 19:14.10 | AlexP11223 | if I upload my proposal to the GSoC website, I can change/reupload it later if needed? |
| 19:15.04 | terri | AlexP11223: yes, up until the applications close on march 25th |
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| 19:24.28 | kvps | yes |
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| 19:43.38 | AlexP11223 | "Final proposal" (step 4) can be reuploaded too? What's the point of this separation between draft and final? |
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| 19:49.26 | olly | AlexP11223: "yes" and "orgs can't see the final PDF until after the deadline |
| 19:49.29 | olly | " |
| 19:49.40 | olly | well, that's the major difference |
| 19:50.02 | olly | i'm not really sure it makes sense - I guess the idea is to make it clear that orgs won't review a PDF submission |
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| 20:11.28 | ddobrev | Hello all. |
| 20:11.36 | ddobrev | There's a bug in your web-sire. |
| 20:11.40 | ddobrev | *site |
| 20:11.50 | ddobrev | When I upload my PDF, it says: |
| 20:12.00 | ddobrev | "File type must be PDF". |
| 20:12.15 | ddobrev | The PDF is created by your very own Google Docs. |
| 20:12.21 | ddobrev | What do I do? |
| 20:16.06 | olly | ddobrev: there seems to be some browser compatiblity issue |
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| 20:16.46 | ddobrev | olly: I use FF 44.0.2, latest. |
| 20:17.03 | ddobrev | Am I supposed to install Chrome just because of this? |
| 20:17.13 | olly | sadly it seems so |
| 20:18.14 | olly | if you've a different browser already installed, you could try that first |
| 20:18.15 | ddobrev | olly: do you know if there are any Google people here? Who maintains the GSoC web-site? |
| 20:18.28 | ddobrev | olly: I don't. |
| 20:18.50 | olly | Robert_S seems to work on the technical side of the website |
| 20:19.08 | olly | he might be able to say if this is likely to be fixed before applications close |
| 20:19.46 | ddobrev | olly: thank you very much. |
| 20:20.35 | ddobrev | Robert_S: I cannot upload my PDF using Firefox 44.0.2 (latest), when is this going to be fixed? |
| 20:21.19 | meflin | try chrome |
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| 20:28.26 | blast007 | Is the new Google Summer of Code site open-source so we can try to help fix issues like this? |
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| 20:29.10 | olasd | blast007: it's not |
| 20:29.36 | olly | cat has said something like they may open parts of it later |
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| 20:29.45 | olasd | right, exactly |
| 20:30.19 | olly | not sure that'll help though - if you can't set up an instance of it, trying to debug an issue is hard |
| 20:30.28 | olly | lack of a public bug tracker seems unhelpful too |
| 20:30.57 | olly | i'm reluctant to invest a lot of time in reporting something if it's likely someone else already did |
| 20:31.09 | olly | with melange you could easily check |
| 20:31.38 | olly | but it's their program, so ultimately they get to decide |
| 20:32.04 | olly | not really enjoying the push towards google docs either |
| 20:32.10 | olly | not that I enjoyed tinymce much |
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| 20:33.46 | Robert_S | ddobrev: Still there? |
| 20:34.21 | Robert_S | olly: Why don't you like Docs? |
| 20:34.24 | ddobrev | Robert_S: Yes. |
| 20:34.27 | olly | so far we've had spam comments on proposals after the student put a link in an IRC channel and students asking for feedback but not enabling comments |
| 20:35.07 | ddobrev | @Robert_S: Yes, I am here. |
| 20:35.13 | olly | it also seems rather sluggish |
| 20:35.51 | Robert_S | ddobrev: I have something for you to try. Give me a second to package it up. |
| 20:36.04 | ddobrev | @Robert_S: OK. |
| 20:36.20 | Robert_S | olly: The spam is an interesting problem. The second one is sthe student not following instructions. I'm surprised you find docs sluggish. |
| 20:37.40 | Robert_S | Docs is an experiment, we've found that it works really well for doc review. |
| 20:38.26 | olly | sadly many students don't seem great at following instructions |
| 20:38.51 | olly | which I tend to count against them, but it seems unreasonably to rule them out entirely based on that |
| 20:39.04 | Robert_S | olly: We've tried extra hard to make the instructions extra clear. |
| 20:39.25 | olly | we also had someone invite just the org admins to view it |
| 20:39.40 | Robert_S | olly: Instructions again |
| 20:39.44 | olly | indeed |
| 20:40.02 | olly | i can certainly see the attraction in not reinventing the wheel here |
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| 20:42.47 | Robert_S | We tried hard to avoid reinventing wheels. Because everyone wants a different one. |
| 20:43.19 | Robert_S | I'm going to be curious to see how many people did their proposals as github files and got comments that way. |
| 20:44.03 | ddobrev | @Robert_S: Should I try now? |
| 20:44.18 | Robert_S | ddobrev: I just sent you a private message with a link that has a test script in it. |
| 20:44.33 | Robert_S | ddobrev: This upload thing is weird, we're not 100% sure what causes it. |
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| 20:48.24 | Rio_C_R | hi |
| 20:49.44 | Calinou | how do I go about providing a translation of my student card? I made a scan of both front and back |
| 20:49.54 | Calinou | put text besides it? over it? |
| 20:49.59 | Calinou | it doesn't have much text |
| 20:50.15 | Calinou | mostly the "if this card is lost/stolen please give it toâ¦" notice |
| 20:50.21 | Robert_S | Either is good. It should be possible to read both the original and the translation, and clear what text goes with what. |
| 20:50.38 | Robert_S | Althogh we won't care much about the lost/stolen text. |
| 20:50.52 | Calinou | ok :) |
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| 20:55.36 | srflorea | hello everybody |
| 20:55.50 | srflorea | I am student interested in applying this year for a project |
| 20:56.11 | srflorea | I submitted a couple of days ago a proof an enrollment in my university and I still didn't get an answer |
| 20:56.37 | srflorea | I am afraid that I will not get the acceptance in time for submitting my application |
| 20:56.53 | srflorea | can anybody help me with some information about this issue? |
| 20:57.22 | meflin | if there is a problem with your documention you will be informed |
| 20:57.25 | Rio_C_R | hi, I would like to join GSOC, can someone take me a guide to start, i am being confused to start |
| 20:57.37 | meflin | !studentguide |
| 20:57.37 | gsocbot | meflin: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:57.41 | olly | srflorea: you don't need to wait to submit the application |
| 20:58.59 | srflorea | ohhh... yeah right |
| 20:59.11 | srflorea | thank you |
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| 21:16.56 | tandon | can I submit 2 or more proposals under a single umbrella organization ? |
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| 21:20.53 | terri | tandon: yes |
| 21:22.41 | tandon | thanks for the information |
| 21:22.47 | terri | tandon: Python has a small internal de-dupe process because we have this come up on occasion, so I'm quite sure it happens. ;) |
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| 21:24.59 | tandon | ok |
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| 21:32.17 | ddobrev | @Robert_S: It works, my proposal has been submitted. |
| 21:32.42 | Robert_S | ddobrev: Yay! Hopefully we can get a server-side workaround implemented soon. I don't expect most people to go edit a config file. |
| 21:32.50 | Robert_S | ddobrev: Thanks for your help tracking it down. |
| 21:33.47 | ddobrev | @Robert_S: you're welcome. And yes, a workaround is highly desirable because of: |
| 21:33.48 | ddobrev | https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/applications-panel-set-how-firefox-handles-files |
| 21:33.56 | Robert_S | terri: meflin: olly: FYI, the PDF upload thing is related to some unexpected firefox behavior. See ttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373621 -- easiest workaround is a different browser, although you can also edit one of the firefox config files. |
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| 21:34.03 | ddobrev | "There is no way to identify or delete a bad entry in the list." |
| 21:34.13 | ddobrev | That is, there's no way through the GUI. |
| 21:34.36 | Robert_S | ddobrev: Yeah, we'll get this fixed on the server side. It just might be Monday or Tuesday. |
| 21:34.45 | terri | Robert_S: huh, good to know. Should we warn our students about that in the meantime? |
| 21:35.42 | Robert_S | terri: I don't think you need to warn them unless they run into it. Up to you. Thanks to ddobrev's help we were able to nail down the cause. |
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| 21:41.20 | olly | Robert_S: ironically after adding the missing leading "h" I spent a while wondering how bug 37362 was relevant |
| 21:41.31 | Robert_S | ;) |
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| 21:41.48 | Robert_S | Oops. |
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| 21:44.05 | olly | wow, so downloading a file with firefox can modify the mimetype mappings used for uploading files? |
| 21:44.09 | Robert_S | Yup. |
| 21:44.18 | olly | that's got to be exploitable |
| 21:44.29 | Robert_S | That might get it fixed faster. |
| 21:45.12 | olly | that means a fairly simple workaround for FF users is probably to create a new profile temporarily |
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| 21:45.35 | Robert_S | Yes. |
| 21:45.58 | olly | simpler than installer a new browser, since you'd have to sign into google stuff again anyway |
| 21:46.02 | olly | *installing |
| 21:46.46 | Robert_S | nods. |
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| 22:54.42 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.42 | JordiGH | ect_Ideas |
| 22:54.55 | JordiGH | Oops, url got cut off: http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas |
| 22:55.16 | JordiGH | Ah, wait, it's actually the second project. |
| 22:55.22 | JordiGH | Perhaps the description makes it sound too easy? |
| 22:56.55 | JordiGH | Also, we need to figure out a way to indicate to potential applicants that listing off your school's name and programming languages does very little to attract our attention. |
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| 22:58.39 | terri | JordiGH: I do think it's funny when we get emails that are pretty much "I so-and-so from university-i-don't-know. I know python. what project should I do?" (uh, how should we know?) |
| 22:59.42 | JordiGH | terri: Well, instead of asking us what project they should do, a large majority seems to be mentioning this one project. |
| 23:00.33 | terri | JordiGH: at least you have some proof they read your ideas page? You should be grateful! ;) |
| 23:01.37 | JordiGH | A mixed blessing. |
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| 23:01.55 | terri | I agree that it's weird, though. Usually it's the easy ideas that get the most applicants |
| 23:02.22 | terri | maybe someone told the students that aiming for the difficult ones would increase their chances of success or something? I've definitely heard this rumour from students this year. |
| 23:02.41 | olly | JordiGH: some orgs have noticed a tendency for students to apply for the first idea in the list |
| 23:03.16 | terri | I got asked basically, "is it true that only students applying for difficult projects will get accepted?" so I do wonder if there's a bad rumour going around |
| 23:03.21 | olly | we deliberately put one which requires being fluent in a particular language first to force most of them to read further |
| 23:03.41 | JordiGH | Hm. |
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| 23:03.59 | mviola | hi |
| 23:04.45 | JordiGH | terri: I've been basically responding to this wave of same-looking requests with a form reply. |
| 23:05.44 | olly | JordiGH: in this particular case, it probably also is partly because the idea is easy to grasp |
| 23:06.01 | JordiGH | olly: You mean for me? |
| 23:06.09 | olly | yes - the difficult part is the maths behind it, not understanding what needs to be done |
| 23:06.19 | mviola | I'm a sophomore in university right now and havent done any open source before. Is there any chance of getting accepted or are most accepted applicants usually already involved? |
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| 23:06.36 | JordiGH | The task is basically to absorb about a decade of papers published by this group and distill their knowledge into code. |
| 23:06.40 | olly | and if you've not studied numerical analysis, it might seem like it isn't really difficult |
| 23:07.02 | olly | sure, i read maths so i realise it likely isn't easy |
| 23:07.07 | JordiGH | I mean, you don't have to read every paper, but you have to be able to know how to navigate the literature. |
| 23:07.21 | olly | but most students understand what a log and a square root are |
| 23:07.28 | gevaerts | mviola: I don't think you're too late |
| 23:07.46 | JordiGH | olly: Ah. Perhaps I should be using more high-falutin' language. |
| 23:08.08 | JordiGH | "Implement holomorphic or meromorphic mappings of a matrix argument." |
| 23:08.20 | perepujal | !odds | mviola |
| 23:08.20 | gsocbot | mviola: "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 23:08.45 | gevaerts | JordiGH: if you want the thing to be done, don't overdo it either :) |
| 23:08.55 | JordiGH | "Distribution of the eigenvalues of the linear operator should not adversely affect the performance of the implementation" |
| 23:09.23 | JordiGH | gevaerts: Perhaps relying in shibboleths is a good idea. |
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| 23:09.45 | terri | mviola: many successful students have never done any open source before, and some orgs I've worked with even save a slot for a new person, so you've definitely got a chance! |
| 23:10.39 | JordiGH | pats himself on the back for deciding to call them "linear operators" instead of "matrices". |
| 23:13.22 | mviola | thanks for the responses. Wasn't really asking for probabilty of acceptance, but I was searching online and some people were waying that a good number of accepted students are already involved in the open source community they apply to. Was just wondering if its relatively common to find someone who has never done open source before/had an internship to get accepted. |
| 23:13.33 | JordiGH | olly: It's like page 3 here: http://arxiv.org/abs/math/9404236? |
| 23:13.57 | valorie | mviola: we love it when new people show up and fix bugs, and try to help out |
| 23:14.08 | valorie | as well as propose a project |
| 23:14.12 | valorie | (KDE) |
| 23:14.26 | valorie | we want to grow our community |
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| 23:14.48 | mviola | valorie: good to hear :) |
| 23:15.07 | olly | i'd say most of the students we accept have little of no previous experience with contributing to open source |
| 23:15.25 | terri | mviola: also, you've got several weeks before mentors will be making their decisions, so you've still got time to become a contributor right now if you want. :) |
| 23:15.56 | valorie | as terri said, just plunge in |
| 23:16.06 | valorie | the water's fine! |
| 23:16.20 | michal_ | Hello, I didn't find any answer in FAQ so, regarding applying for GSoC, what if my university if not on the accredited institutions list? |
| 23:16.31 | michal_ | is not* |
| 23:17.07 | michal_ | Actually none from my country are on the list |
| 23:17.26 | terri | michal_: is your university accredited in your country? |
| 23:18.11 | mviola | olly & terri: awesome, I just recently heard about gsoc and have been interested in contributing to some open source so this is definiately a good oppourtunity |
| 23:18.12 | terri | michal_: I believe the usual recommendation is "submit your info and someone will get back to you if there's a problem" regardless, though. |
| 23:19.42 | gevaerts | Where is this list of accredited institutions, actually? I've seen several people mention it, but I haven't managed to find it... |
| 23:20.20 | michal_ | @gevaerts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation |
| 23:20.21 | olly | gevaerts: i think when you sign up as a student there's a field for "university" |
| 23:20.34 | terri | oh, ouch. that is not a useful list. |
| 23:20.48 | michal_ | yeah I mean this is kind of strange list |
| 23:20.53 | olly | and it's wikipedia, so just add yourself! |
| 23:20.57 | gevaerts | That's a wikipedia page explaining what accreditation *is*, it's not a list... |
| 23:20.59 | michal_ | What does it actually mean, accredited in my country? |
| 23:21.42 | terri | michal_: more or less, they mean "is it a known university recognized by the government or other body as a legitimate source of higher education" |
| 23:21.49 | gevaerts | michal_: broadly it means: does the governent recognise the degrees the institution gives out as valid |
| 23:21.49 | valorie | usually means that if you transfer to another college, your credits will also transfer |
| 23:21.55 | michal_ | ok well yes |
| 23:22.05 | olly | rather than some dodgy online place that hands out degrees just for money |
| 23:22.57 | michal_ | OK thank you for your answers |
| 23:23.03 | terri | But yeah, if you at least meet that level of legitimacy, just submit your proof of enrollment and get started on your application. :) |
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