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| 05:23.56 | scpeiyao | Hello,is there anybody? |
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| 05:28.16 | jn__ | scpeiyao: probably |
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| 08:48.18 | dhureen | hi, the program site asks us to upload the proof of enrollment to the site but I'm finding it difficult to identify the exact place where we are required to upload the docs, please help. |
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| 08:49.52 | thabraze | dhureen: student signups start on March 15 |
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| 08:50.25 | thabraze | You can then signup and the upload the respective docs. |
| 08:51.03 | dhureen | thabraze: thanks |
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| 08:51.22 | thabraze | :) |
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| 09:20.43 | MatthewWilkes | !numorgs |
| 09:20.53 | MatthewWilkes | Anyone remember how many orgs were accepted this year? |
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| 09:21.15 | nicolassebrecht | 180 |
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| 09:21.43 | nicolassebrecht | MatthewWilkes: why? |
| 09:22.03 | MatthewWilkes | nicolassebrecht: For giving students an idea of the range |
| 09:22.11 | nicolassebrecht | Oh. |
| 09:22.46 | nicolassebrecht | MatthewWilkes: a more relevant number would be the number of ideas but it's hard to get this. |
| 09:23.52 | MatthewWilkes | I don't agree that that's relevant, personally. People care more about org choice than idea choice inside an org, and the ideas are just that, only ideas. |
| 09:25.52 | olly | you can propose a project based on your own idea, so there are an unlimited number of ideas |
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| 09:34.32 | nicolassebrecht | I was talking about th enumber of ideas suggested by the orgs, indeed. |
| 09:35.05 | nicolassebrecht | MatthewWilkes: That's not really true because of umbrella orgs. |
| 09:35.20 | nicolassebrecht | IMHO. |
| 09:35.57 | kblin | I'm suspicious of umbrellas. that's where the zombies come from. I've seen it on TV, so it must be true |
| 09:36.15 | MatthewWilkes | Number of suborgs would be helpful to have, I agree. As the number of ideas per org various greatly I wouldn't be confident predicting number of orgs from number of ideas |
| 09:36.54 | olly | kblin: umbrellas control the weather |
| 09:37.06 | olly | if you see a lot of people with umbrellas, chances are it'll soon rain |
| 09:37.20 | kblin | or you're in the UK |
| 09:37.30 | kblin | arguably that's pretty much the same thing, though |
| 09:37.36 | nicolassebrecht | Yeah, that's nearly impossible to know unless walking through all the orgs and count manually. |
| 09:38.13 | olly | let's just agree there are probably close to 200 ideas to choose from |
| 09:38.17 | gevaerts | kblin: proof! |
| 09:38.32 | nicolassebrecht | 200? |
| 09:38.41 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Umbrellas are only useful for the limited case where there's rail and little wind |
| 09:39.19 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: which is why I never use one in Denmark. :) |
| 09:39.23 | nicolassebrecht | I'd say more something like 720 suggested ideas. |
| 09:39.26 | arthcp | or you could use them to block sun! |
| 09:39.43 | MatthewWilkes | nicolassebrecht: How did you estimate that? |
| 09:40.01 | kblin | you could pick 18 orgs at random, and count ideas |
| 09:40.18 | arthcp | why 18? |
| 09:40.23 | MatthewWilkes | 10% |
| 09:40.23 | nicolassebrecht | kblin: yes. |
| 09:40.26 | kblin | do that three times, and you've got a good estimate |
| 09:40.38 | nicolassebrecht | Statistical approach. |
| 09:40.39 | olly | better still, do it 10 times |
| 09:40.46 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: If you do it 10 times, being careful to control for duplicates⦠damn it olly! |
| 09:40.49 | kblin | do that ten times, and you've got a number slightly worse than simply counting all of them |
| 09:40.51 | thabraze | Huh! Why are you speaking about random things here. Please keep this channel clean. |
| 09:41.36 | LegendThinker | thabraze, I suppose that can never be |
| 09:41.41 | kblin | thabraze: we are more or less talking about the number of GSoC project ideas |
| 09:41.53 | kblin | arguably, that umbrella thing went off-topic |
| 09:42.07 | thabraze | rain? wind? Wow |
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| 09:42.25 | arthcp | the channel is usually inactive |
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| 09:43.23 | kblin | arthcp: I mean, you probably could go and count only 9 and go for a 5% sample |
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| 09:44.45 | arthcp | kblin: why doesn't an official list exist |
| 09:44.52 | arthcp | does it not matter |
| 09:45.48 | MatthewWilkes | I think you'd have to count quite a few to get a half-way accurate estimate. I just picked two random orgs and saw 10 ideas and 3 ideas. Ours has 15. That's a 5-fold difference just from looking at three orgs. |
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| 09:46.06 | nicolassebrecht | 720 looks like a BIG under-estimate |
| 09:46.06 | olly | i think it really reflects that it's more about getting involved with an org than just doing a project |
| 09:46.31 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed. I do think it would be helpful to have a count of suborgs in some way |
| 09:47.29 | olly | nicolassebrecht: that's pretty obvious - more than a thousand students, and it's rare two are accepted working on something based on the same idea |
| 09:48.10 | nicolassebrecht | yes |
| 09:48.54 | kblin | arthcp: because ideas lists are in flux all the time |
| 09:49.28 | kblin | and orgs pretty much all use different ways of managing their lists |
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| 09:55.35 | nicolassebrecht | I get 201 ideas for 18 random orgs. |
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| 09:59.51 | libracious_ | can a mentor take more than project? |
| 10:00.56 | tctara | I saw the same question a few day back. someone answered that |
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| 10:01.32 | tctara | idealy, mentor should take on one project, but the mentor can take more |
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| 10:02.17 | libracious_ | can this happen..that a student's proposal's is selected for more than 1 project...if he does get selected, then would he choose between his selected proposals? |
| 10:03.01 | nicolassebrecht | libracious_: orgs are asked to decide while they might ask the student. |
| 10:03.20 | nicolassebrecht | s/asked/requested/ |
| 10:03.52 | libracious_ | one last question....does google select the proposal or the organization/mentor does? |
| 10:03.55 | panzone | libracious_: the orgs decide in that case, so you should apply only to projects you really want to complete |
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| 10:04.53 | nicolassebrecht | orgs rank proposals, next Google provide slots. |
| 10:04.53 | VarunAgw | libracious_: Also because of limited slots, org. generally prefer projects that are more important to them |
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| 10:09.22 | olly | VarunAgw: i'm not sure how true that really is |
| 10:09.25 | libracious_ | i wanted to know does google select students or the organization does? |
| 10:09.47 | arthcp | org does |
| 10:09.49 | olly | if something really needs to get done, a better option is to have someone work on it rather than mentor a student working on it |
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| 10:12.16 | VarunAgw | olly: I agree but I think it can be true in some cases. |
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| 10:12.33 | olly | VarunAgw: it' |
| 10:12.51 | olly | it is probably a factor, but it's not one I'd recommend students try to pick projects based on |
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| 10:13.38 | olly | better to pick a project you're actually interested in, rather than one you just think is more likely to get selected |
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| 10:15.16 | kblin | actually, this year we ask for slots first, and then assign students to those slots, or something |
| 10:15.26 | kblin | it's different to the last years, in any case |
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| 10:16.43 | VarunAgw | I heard Melange is retired. Does it mean it is replaced by some closed source application developed by Googlers? |
| 10:18.05 | olly | kblin: it didn't sound different in the email |
| 10:20.38 | olly | kblin: oh, do you mean "At least 1 mentor must be assigned to each project before it can be selected"? |
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| 10:23.52 | Freso | olly: 200? That's less than 2 ideas per org. :) |
| 10:24.33 | olly | ah, i see the linked document - the two big changes seem to be no slot trading, and no dedup meeting - the org who marks a student as accepted first gets to choose |
| 10:25.33 | olly | Freso: I'm pretty confident all orgs have at least one idea, and we have 20 |
| 10:28.42 | Freso | olly: Still, with nicolassebrecht's very scientific averaging, it'll be about 2010 idea, which I wouldn't say is exactly "close to 200". :) |
| 10:28.47 | MatthewWilkes | VarunAgw: The administration app is not open source and runs on app engine. I doubt we'll learn any details, Google isn't usually one to discuss their internal processes. |
| 10:29.47 | Freso | VarunAgw: Re: project important: My org. is more likely to accept a project that is likely to actually get done/succeed than one that is more "important" to us but has a lower chance of actually completing. |
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| 10:31.12 | Freso | And student motivation (ie., that they really, *really* want to work on a specific project/idea) is usually a much better factor in putting them on a path to completion than telling them what to do (directly, or by using indirect measures such as ranking "importance"). |
| 10:32.43 | gevaerts | Freso: you're no cosmologist! |
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| 10:32.53 | gevaerts | Only one order of magnitude off! |
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| 10:33.51 | VarunAgw | Got it. My advice was a bad one |
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| 10:42.25 | nicolassebrecht | Would be great to know the number of registered mentors, BTW. |
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| 12:10.18 | Manishearth | nicolassebrecht: wait, mentors were supposed to register? |
| 12:10.23 | Manishearth | nicolassebrecht: I thought this step comes later? |
| 12:10.44 | Valodim | !mentor |
| 12:10.44 | gsocbot | Valodim: "mentor" is Mentors no longer need to apply. Ask one of your organisation admins to invite you. |
| 12:11.04 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: I meant confirmed invited mentors. |
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| 12:11.23 | Manishearth | nicolassebrecht: how does this work? |
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| 12:11.49 | Manishearth | and when was this supposed to happen? |
| 12:11.55 | Manishearth | my org hasn't done it yet I guess |
| 12:12.28 | nicolassebrecht | Admins register mentors at webapp. Invitations are sent by mail. Mentors confirm by clicking the link in the email. |
| 12:12.52 | Manishearth | cool |
| 12:13.01 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: you might want to ping your admins. |
| 12:13.09 | Manishearth | yeah, will do |
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| 12:14.41 | Manishearth | ah, our org invite mentors when students apply |
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| 12:15.01 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: invitations could be started since org list release time. |
| 12:15.08 | Manishearth | yeah |
| 12:15.11 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: really? |
| 12:15.16 | nicolassebrecht | That's weird. |
| 12:16.02 | nicolassebrecht | I guess it's not how google admins are thinking the process. |
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| 12:19.09 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: you're not missing much but the dashboard with some stats, contacts and the timeline. |
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| 12:20.57 | nicolassebrecht | Manishearth: Oh, and the subsciption to the relevant mailing lists. |
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| 12:34.07 | Manishearth | nicolassebrecht: ah. Our org is alrge, and not all projects get proposals, so to avoid pre-spamming mentors only projects which get proposals get their mentors added |
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| 12:34.29 | nicolassebrecht | ok |
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| 13:10.44 | ItsMeCK_ | Hi...what all other competetionsd in opensource for one year experience developers? |
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| 13:12.08 | ItsMeCK_ | As I have completed my graduation...also any online internship for non-students? |
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| 13:24.47 | MatthewWilkes | ItsMeCK_: There are no funded programmes I know of, but any open source org would be keen on volunteers, just ask them how to get started. |
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| 14:59.42 | eonkid | Hi im new here |
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| 15:01.08 | panzone | hi eonkid |
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| 15:02.04 | eonkid | where should i start exactly |
| 15:02.36 | eonkid | i know c/c++ java |
| 15:04.07 | Valodim | did you read the student manual and faq? |
| 15:04.27 | panzone | you should start reading the rules, the student manual and the faqs |
| 15:06.00 | eonkid | i am going through it right know, is it too late to contact oraganisations and start contributing |
| 15:06.18 | Valodim | did you read the timeline? |
| 15:06.53 | eonkid | no,where is it? |
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| 15:08.22 | Valodim | when you approach an organization, be sure to read their available info material first |
| 15:08.33 | eonkid | oh i read the timeline now |
| 15:08.44 | Valodim | the timeline is literally the front page of the gsoc website |
| 15:08.58 | eonkid | oh sorry :D |
| 15:09.43 | eonkid | the deadline for submissions is 26th right?,so is it too late? |
| 15:10.13 | eonkid | *of application |
| 15:10.40 | Valodim | it's the 25th. and we have the 10th, so why would it be too late? |
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| 15:41.37 | Pratik151 | hi, the project which I am interested has already most of the work in some papers, So can I add text from papers to proposal? i will ofcourse add link to paper. |
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| 15:51.34 | blast007 | Pratik151: ask the organization |
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| 17:28.59 | catallman | Good Morning from San Francisco. |
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| 18:32.31 | catallman | Any questions for the google Open SOurceteam? |
| 18:33.04 | catallman | (Warning - worse typing than usual - I'm on a bouncy busâ¦) |
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| 18:41.23 | catallman | going once⦠|
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| 19:49.05 | perepujal | mansi #tux4kids |
| 19:50.15 | mansi_ | thank you |
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| 20:04.16 | VarunAgw | Next time you want want to try to google "tux4kids irc". It takes much less time than asking |
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| 20:18.29 | dm_kiselev | I have read that students who accepted into GSoC receives a package with bank card for money ordering. But Program Rules says "Google will not ship physical goods to Restricted Countries". And I'm from Russia. How I will receive card if I will be accepted? |
| 20:19.00 | olly | presumably they just send the card |
| 20:19.21 | olly | e.g. as a letter rather than a package |
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| 20:29.48 | VarunAgw | !logs |
| 20:29.48 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 20:41.25 | schrilax | hi |
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| 20:50.53 | ardian | Can anybody help me understand if my college is accepted by Google ? |
| 20:51.54 | meflin | did you read the student guid and the faq? |
| 20:52.34 | dm_kiselev | May I be accepted if I had finished my education in 2015? |
| 20:53.06 | meflin | dm_kiselev: the dates for enrolement are in the guide+faq probably not |
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| 20:58.41 | rkennedy | Hello, it's me |
| 20:58.48 | rkennedy | Hola |
| 20:59.29 | ardian | meflin, yes I did, but I don't really understand it. It directs me to a wiki page which I am still clueless. For one thing I know that it's accredited by my country, on the other hand my country is not even found on dropdown lists in Google services |
| 21:01.13 | ardian | I was told that kblin might help? |
| 21:01.26 | olly | i doubt it - he doesn't work for google |
| 21:01.35 | olly | if you want an official answer, email the contact address |
| 21:02.02 | gevaerts | As far as I know, "accredited by the country the school is in" is really the only thing that matters |
| 21:02.18 | olly | and that the country isn't embargoed by the US government |
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| 21:03.18 | olly | ardian: sttaylor can probably clarify |
| 21:03.40 | ardian | hi sttaylor |
| 21:04.00 | sttaylor | hi ardian |
| 21:04.05 | sttaylor | what was the question? |
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| 21:04.42 | ardian | sttaylor, I am addressing the question here since most of my time is on freenode. I am not sure if my college is accepted by Google |
| 21:04.58 | ardian | my college is accepted by my country (Kosovo) |
| 21:05.11 | ardian | but Kosovo is not found on most Google services |
| 21:05.48 | sttaylor | if your college is accredited in your country then it should be fine. |
| 21:06.11 | sttaylor | It doesn?t have anything to do with whether your country uses Google services |
| 21:07.56 | ardian | sttaylor, I think it has to do that Kosovo still doesn't have an ISO code (I belive ISO 3166 code) that's why it's not found on some sites |
| 21:08.23 | ardian | but some companies like Microsoft, Adobe, Cisco etc, have Kosovo in the list of countries. |
| 21:09.15 | ardian | Actually I just tried to sign up for a Gmail, seems Kosovo is in the list. Great! |
| 21:09.29 | meflin | these services are not gsoc |
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| 21:11.49 | ardian | meflin, I know, but maybe they share the same infrastructure ('code base') |
| 21:15.49 | meflin | you would have to ask the gmail ppl about this issue ... nothing to do with #gsoc |
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| 21:22.12 | Watkurem | Hello. I learned about GSoC literally yesterday, liked the idea, but got severely intimidated after investigating a bit. Maybe someone would like to answer my dumb questions and to help understand if I got any chance? |
| 21:22.48 | Valodim | can you code? |
| 21:23.08 | sttaylor | Watkurem: No question is dumb. But we do suggest you read the Program Rules and the Student Manual to help familiarize yourself with GSoC |
| 21:23.40 | Watkurem | Valodim, code is a bit broad |
| 21:24.08 | Watkurem | sttaylor, I did read them, a bit at least |
| 21:24.25 | sttaylor | Watkurem: ok great. what questions do you have? |
| 21:24.49 | Valodim | less broad maybe: can you finish a twelve weeks coding project while reading into a potentially large codebase, with some - but not unlimited - guidance? |
| 21:25.26 | Watkurem | Well, I didn't ever had any project more serious than course work (I believe that is correct translation), so I can't really judge about that |
| 21:25.49 | Valodim | if the answer is "I hope so" or any stronger level of confidence, you're qualified :) |
| 21:25.54 | Watkurem | Hoped to get a bit help here ^_^" |
| 21:27.03 | perepujal | Watkurem: are you passionated in any area? health, education, programming, anything else |
| 21:28.25 | Watkurem | I'm using Linux every day (switched from Windows long ago and boot it only for games sometimes; have no Windows at all on laptop except VM). Use emacs as editor/IDE. I guess I'm passionate about Linux and FOSS |
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| 21:29.14 | Watkurem | I believe that I know C (pure C, not C++) on a decent level and somewhat know Python. I can do assembly, but got little to no practice |
| 21:29.24 | Watkurem | I never did any GUI programming and I dislike GUI in general |
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| 21:32.13 | perepujal | With that criteria you could do an org search and contact the ones that meet your interests |
| 21:32.36 | Watkurem | I tried to, but got intimidated by skill requirements |
| 21:32.44 | Watkurem | So I came here |
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| 21:34.06 | perepujal | Did you read the chapter amigoodenough from the student guide? |
| 21:34.44 | Watkurem | I did, but surely orgs wouldn't ask for skills I don't really need? |
| 21:35.09 | perepujal | if you have half of the required skills but show that you are working hard to full have them |
| 21:35.27 | perepujal | then you have chances to get selected |
| 21:35.58 | terri | !studentguide | Watkurem |
| 21:35.58 | gsocbot | Watkurem: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 21:36.07 | terri | you might find the "am I good enough?" section in there pretty helpful. |
| 21:37.17 | terri | And you might also find it helpful to just try fixing a bug or something. different orgs have different requirements, and there's so many projects that it shouldn't be hard to find one that actually matches your skill level pretty well. :) |
| 21:37.29 | Watkurem | I came here to clarify after reading it. So, I still have chances to complete the program even with no experience of 'real' development? |
| 21:37.55 | terri | yes, there ar emany projects suitable for relative beginners |
| 21:37.57 | Watkurem | terri, if I try to fix bugs and study in university now at the same time I'll only be able to come in the next year ^_^" |
| 21:38.13 | terri | but you may have to work to find them, which is probably a better use of your time than asking here. :) |
| 21:38.52 | Watkurem | Ah, thank you all then. I'll go ask around specific orgs for how my skill applies |
| 21:39.20 | perepujal | many orgs look for people that will stay with them after GSoC |
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| 23:18.51 | Sam___ | Hello |
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| 23:26.06 | Samson | Hello everyone :) |
| 23:26.30 | meflin | if you have a question ask |
| 23:26.56 | Robert_S | meflin: Why do birds have wings? |
| 23:27.14 | Samson | I am wondering if Google Summer of Code is considered employment. As a F1 student, I am trying to figure out the legality of applying. |
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| 23:27.53 | Samson | By F1 student I mean a foreign student enrolling in an American University on F1 visa. |
| 23:27.56 | meflin | legalities are answered by lawers |
| 23:28.01 | meflin | we are not |
| 23:28.24 | Robert_S | I agree with meflin. |
| 23:29.43 | Samson | Does application to Google Summer of Code require work authorization in the U.S? Is this a question that you can answer? |
| 23:29.57 | meflin | that is a legal question |
| 23:30.53 | gevaerts | never understood why legal opinions don't seem to fall under free speech in the US :) |
| 23:30.54 | teepee | which is actually answered in the faq |
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| 23:31.54 | Samson | I have found the answer. Thank you teepee |
| 23:33.19 | Robert_S | gevaerts: I believe they do. But that doesn't mean a legal opinion won't bite you in the rear later. |
| 23:33.44 | meflin | there is also an issue of my legal opinion is just about worthless :) |
| 23:34.03 | Robert_S | gevaerts: Also, I think I just gave a legal opinion. ;) |
| 23:36.51 | gevaerts | Robert_S: got you! :) |
| 23:36.58 | Robert_S | gevaerts: Doh! |
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