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| 00:31.47 | alexyakushev | pasca1: Are you kidding? It's hilarious! And pathetic. But hilarious too |
| 00:32.33 | unicodesnowman | lol i want to see it |
| 00:33.26 | pasca1 | it's frustrating to have to look through these emails, and i'm not quite at the point where I unsubscribe because something important could be mentioned there |
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| 00:34.59 | alexyakushev | Melissa and other girls/women/w.e. have probably created a new mailing list and have the time of their lives there, but a bunch of neckbeards continue their verbal battle for justice |
| 00:35.33 | alexyakushev | But yeah, you are right, it's more pathetic than hilarious |
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| 00:48.12 | opisey | I'm sick of the fighting over the mailing list. Carols still not here |
| 00:49.48 | swook | opisey: you have the option of ignoring the thread, we all do. |
| 00:50.05 | swook | If it bothers you too much, surely you're not keeping yourself busy enough |
| 00:50.46 | opisey | swook: how can I ignore a thread ? I didn't see that option.... |
| 00:51.09 | opisey | let's me look at it again. I'm busy, but I check mail everyday |
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| 00:52.10 | swook | opisey: I didn't mean ignoring as a feature, just plain old ignoring |
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| 00:57.14 | opisey | swook: well, It's like spam, but I can't press the spam button. Ignoring doesn't help. |
| 00:57.38 | swook | It's dying down :) |
| 00:57.40 | alexyakushev | opisey: Are you subscribed to every single message in the list? |
| 00:58.00 | swook | There are thousands of people on the list so it's natural that the replies might drag on for a bit |
| 00:58.05 | swook | but it shouldn't last too long |
| 00:58.06 | opisey | alexyakushev: everytime someone post something, it send email to me |
| 00:58.06 | alexyakushev | opisey: I recommend enabling digest mode to receive per-25 reports |
| 00:58.57 | opisey | alexyakushev: thanks for the advise. I guess I have to do that, I can't bear it anymore :( |
| 00:59.39 | alexyakushev | opisey: It's not like that mailing list ever gets some urgent information that you have to react to immediately |
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| 01:01.34 | alexyakushev | As a bonus, you receive all the drama in bulk, neatly organized, so you can calmly sit down with a popcorn bucket and enjoy:) |
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| 01:03.50 | opisey | alexyakushev: well, because I saw some important information in the previous year, I decided to keep the mailing list that way, but you are right. None of it need immediate reaction |
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| 01:04.21 | opisey | alexyakushev: now I do feel better :D |
| 01:05.03 | alexyakushev | Peace;) |
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| 01:05.16 | n1cky | alexyakushev: I am not one of the idiots on the mailing list trying to deny the women gsoc participants from self organizing for support, but I very much take offense that anyone who feels the way they do should be labled a neckbeard. |
| 01:06.03 | n1cky | i also disagree with the latest response from Leggitt. Men absolutely still are allowed to have an opinion on what is and is not sexist. |
| 01:06.12 | n1cky | their opinion is entirely wrong, but they're entitled to have it. |
| 01:06.12 | pasca1 | alexyakushev: thanks for the tip! |
| 01:06.51 | n1cky | What i take huge offense to is the fact that everyone is top posting and everyone is bumping this thread which does not need to continue to be bumped. |
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| 01:07.42 | swook | huge offense sounds like a bit of a strong sentiment |
| 01:08.02 | n1cky | it absolutely is. Top posting is one of the worst things in the world. |
| 01:08.03 | swook | I can never understand why the gsoc mailing list cannot be like any normal mailing list with thousands of members |
| 01:08.06 | woodruffw | i think the top posting is a result of ignorance - not many people use inline replies anymore |
| 01:08.20 | woodruffw | outside of the development world, that is |
| 01:08.25 | n1cky | swook: because they probably haven't subscribed to a mailing list before. |
| 01:08.33 | alexyakushev | n1cky: Bro, reddit is there ---> http://www.reddit.com. Allows to have and express opinions all day and night long, 24/7, any color you like ;) |
| 01:08.50 | swook | well, what I mean isn't posting etiquette, I mean the problem with people not being able to deal with irrelevant emails and volume |
| 01:09.08 | n1cky | alexyakushev: you were sharing your opinion in IRC, why cannot I share mine? |
| 01:09.30 | opisey | Am I the only one thinking about creating a subreddit for gsoc ? |
| 01:09.42 | woodruffw | opisey: https://www.reddit.com/r/gsoc |
| 01:09.47 | n1cky | i don't understand why people feel a need to socialize at all, tbh. |
| 01:09.49 | opisey | to make this drama longer ? |
| 01:09.55 | woodruffw | seems to be abandoned |
| 01:10.00 | alexyakushev | n1cky: I'm not talking about what you've just said, but about the whole mailing list discussion |
| 01:10.32 | swook | n1cky: I guess there's no real need. It's just a little sad there are no interactions whatsoever |
| 01:10.45 | n1cky | ahh... personally i'm just waiting in anticipation for one of these guys to like to weev's livejournal |
| 01:10.47 | swook | and since I've never been from a university or country with high GSoC participation |
| 01:10.48 | alexyakushev | Nightrose: if those men or women or whoever else feel they have opinions to express, there are much better places to do that, that's all |
| 01:11.20 | alexyakushev | Nightrose: sorry, wrong person! |
| 01:11.44 | swook | this channel isn't going anywhere, nor is it being used since applications |
| 01:11.58 | swook | I think communication shouldn't be discouraged unless it really is unhelpful |
| 01:12.23 | swook | but IRC has some exceptions, it's meant to be used for quick-fire questions and remarks |
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| 01:13.21 | alexyakushev | swook: I can get behind why Carol shuts down any yappering on the mailing list. Large mailgroups are not designed for that |
| 01:14.06 | swook | alexyakushev: I understand the reasoning, but I wish students were directed to an alternative channel. Which the organisers have reasons for not promoting. |
| 01:14.37 | alexyakushev | opisey: There seem to be an empty gsoc subreddit |
| 01:15.01 | opisey | yeah I saw that |
| 01:15.32 | opisey | was adding some more drama |
| 01:15.56 | alexyakushev | swook: Well, IRC seems to fit better for that. I just didn't know it exist before someone mentioned it on that thread. Makes it kinda useful! |
| 01:16.06 | swook | mission accomplished ;) |
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| 01:17.58 | alexyakushev | opisey: We need something more telling. Kinda /r/GSOCchillout or /r/GSOCanarchy, you know |
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| 01:19.50 | opisey | yeah, but we need to let's people know about that subreddit, by posting on mailing list, which I dont want to start :P |
| 01:20.35 | opisey | I like to start something like /r/GSOCMartian, since I'm from Mars |
| 01:20.42 | pasca1 | i'm sure most people have seen the /r/gsoc subreddit |
| 01:20.59 | opisey | I haven't |
| 01:21.01 | swook | pasca1: I've never seen it before |
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| 01:22.18 | opisey | you know... have more communication channel is very annoying, We all have personal channel like facebook and skype everyday, now we add mailing list and IRC to our live |
| 01:22.52 | opisey | the npeople start to create more group, like #gsoc-for-men #gsoc-for-women, #gsoc-for-country , #gsoc-for-town |
| 01:22.54 | swook | irc is entirely optional and the mailing list is meant for announcements :P |
| 01:23.11 | swook | I thought we wanted to stop that discussion. |
| 01:23.51 | pasca1 | opisey: i agree, it's becoming too much, like i get that IRC should be open for whatever, but the mailing list discussions are be regulated to keep my inbox clean ;) |
| 01:24.07 | opisey | Nah, just pointing why I don't want to start GSOCchillout :P |
| 01:24.50 | opisey | @pascal : yeah. I agree |
| 01:25.01 | swook | so... which orgs are you guys working with this summer? :) |
| 01:25.11 | alexyakushev | opisey: You are in luck then, cause I've just created it http://www.reddit.com/r/gsochillout |
| 01:25.12 | swook | I'm with OpenCV - Open Source Computer Vision |
| 01:25.30 | swook | I can't tell if you're trolling or not |
| 01:26.02 | kinggreedy | he did created that :D |
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| 01:26.46 | kinggreedy | swook: OpenCV for C++ or general ? I was working with OpenCV before |
| 01:27.25 | swook | ah sweet! I'm working on the C++ source, yes. |
| 01:27.41 | swook | Did you work with them as part of GSoC? |
| 01:29.09 | kinggreedy | swook: No, It was my school project. I'm working for Python this year, I'm looking for C++ people |
| 01:29.58 | kinggreedy | swook: Python is new for me, and I used C++ for years. So working with python is like trying something fresh |
| 01:30.40 | swook | kinggreedy: I personally love Python, it's simple and dynamic yet consistent and predictable |
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| 01:39.04 | alexyakushev | I started a vote http://www.reddit.com/r/GSOChillout/comments/35jtuy/how_many_years_have_you_participated_in_gsoc/ |
| 01:40.11 | swook | why should second years miss the excitement of their first time? :) |
| 01:41.11 | opisey | alexyakushev: I need a 6th one |
| 01:41.36 | alexyakushev | opisey: You have the 5+ option:) |
| 01:41.54 | alexyakushev | swook: I'm projecting. I missed mine :( |
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| 01:46.06 | alexyakushev | Comeon fellas, vote, let's stir that place up |
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| 02:03.26 | n1cky | this thread just keeps getting better and better. |
| 02:04.10 | n1cky | grabs popcorn |
| 02:04.47 | n1cky | !logs |
| 02:04.47 | gsocbot | n1cky: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 07:32.23 | wangyida | Is this channel for GSOC 2015 or earlier? |
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| 07:37.12 | neverpanic | yes |
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| 07:42.09 | johnhunter | got sick of the guys talking about the GSoC forum for women |
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| 07:43.59 | rharish | johnhunter: true. now, the last thing we want is for them to bring it into this channel :p |
| 07:46.18 | johnhunter | absolutely |
| 07:46.23 | vultraz | ...wat |
| 07:46.23 | bshah | rharish: you sound like troll. :p |
| 07:46.35 | bshah | hides back in cave |
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| 07:50.22 | prth | Chris Dibona himself warns the mailing-list & boots a few out ...and BAM! a new mail after 3 minutes =D |
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| 08:27.39 | Valodim | "I will consider anyone who replies to this thread as voluntarily dropping out from gsoc." dem big guns |
| 08:27.55 | Valodim | that guy was lucky he was probably just writing his reply while that mail came :) |
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| 08:56.04 | Tahir | There was 1051 selected proposals but now there are 1048, what does it mean? What happened with 3 projects? |
| 08:57.26 | mateusz_ | Three people resigned/banned/otherwise removed? |
| 08:58.42 | vin-ivar | "I'm sorry, was I not clear? This thread ends now. Thats now three people I've banned from posting..." |
| 08:58.49 | vin-ivar | don't know if that's banned from the list, or from GSoC.. |
| 09:00.15 | kblin | wtf... |
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| 09:01.53 | Ihatemyself | !numapps |
| 09:01.54 | gsocbot | Ihatemyself: "numapps" is 2015: 137/416 orgs; 1051/6409 proposals (by 4425 students). 2014: 190/371 orgs; 1304/6313 proposals (by 4420 students). 2013: 177/417 orgs; 1192/5999 proposals (by 4144 students). 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students). |
| 09:02.19 | kblin | there's a reason I set that list to online-only |
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| 09:06.34 | swook | vin-ivar: I think "banned from posting" is quite clear |
| 09:06.42 | kblin | in any case, I'll hapily follow cat's and chris' lead if people feel they need to continue this asinine discussion in here |
| 09:06.48 | vin-ivar | haha |
| 09:07.18 | kblin | puts his /kick boots on |
| 09:07.23 | swook | :( |
| 09:08.11 | swook | Sometimes it's necessary to have some order, but over-policing can feel a bit sad |
| 09:08.24 | kblin | no, seriously, spend 5 seconds googling and you'll find great explanations answering each and every point that was brought up in that thread |
| 09:08.26 | swook | hopefully irc will remain a relatively open channel |
| 09:08.36 | olasd | as an org admin I feel like I'm missing a piece of context, but from what I gather I'm pretty sure it's not a bad thing |
| 09:08.39 | olasd | *cough* |
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| 09:08.54 | olasd | (to be missing the context) |
| 09:08.59 | swook | olasd: I can pm you some of the details |
| 09:09.08 | kblin | olasd: yeah, it's one of those "don't read the comments" things |
| 09:09.15 | kblin | so you're not missing out |
| 09:09.22 | olasd | ah, well. |
| 09:09.42 | olasd | swook: I'm angry at my plumber for being late already, so thanks but no thanks ;) |
| 09:09.58 | vin-ivar | swook: eh, everything doesn't have to descend into fighting |
| 09:10.08 | swook | vin-ivar: ? |
| 09:10.09 | vin-ivar | so here's Wales and Bhutan with their dragons swapped |
| 09:10.10 | vin-ivar | http://i.imgur.com/StTPHYd.png |
| 09:10.16 | vin-ivar | policing, I mean |
| 09:10.22 | kblin | swook: I'm happy to point people at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWRCQYRZJzo first |
| 09:11.03 | swook | eh kblin, I understand the need in many circumstances, but I wasn't continuing that discussion |
| 09:11.24 | swook | I'm of the opinion GSoC doesn't have any communication channel for students in the first place |
| 09:11.48 | kblin | shrugs |
| 09:12.01 | kblin | I think IRC was pretty active 5-10 years ago |
| 09:12.03 | vin-ivar | the need is honestly quite irrelevant, there are absolutely no laws dictating who can or can't begin a mailing list. If I wanted one for three-eyed invertebrates from Io, I could make one |
| 09:12.09 | swook | we need to revive IRC :) |
| 09:12.32 | swook | on irc no one's a guy or girl, everyone's a username |
| 09:12.34 | vin-ivar | iirc freenode 10 years ago had more people than all networks combined do today |
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| 09:14.00 | kblin | I'm happy to have active discussions in IRC, but I'm not going to sit idly while a bunch of members of the majority group tell the members of the minority group how they feel oppressed by a minority self-support group |
| 09:14.31 | kblin | because I'm seeing quite enough of that kind of crap going on, I don't need any more |
| 09:16.06 | swook | kblin: There were one or two inflammatory posts, but others had their reasoning. I think the main counter-argument was whether the necessity is high in a GSoC like environment. |
| 09:16.14 | swook | But I don't want to continue this discussion anyway... |
| 09:16.38 | swook | I'm completely fine with little groups forming around GSoC |
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| 09:16.51 | swook | just hoping some people find gsoc-ch some time :( |
| 09:17.13 | kblin | I agree it would be nice if we could get more students to hang out on IRC again |
| 09:17.33 | kblin | but I'm happy if they hang out with their org's community |
| 09:18.00 | vin-ivar | the point is that nobody is putting out any new arguments, it's quite pointlessly incendiary |
| 09:18.11 | swook | yeah, orgs should be a priority |
| 09:18.15 | digitalcircuit | has the 'hangout on IRC' part down. Just needs to get into the gsoc part :) |
| 09:18.16 | swook | sadly my org is quite academic |
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| 09:20.55 | swook | digitalcircuit: if you're still a student next application season, there's a lot of advice and help available here :) |
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| 09:22.02 | teepee-- | kblin: have an (somewhat) official #gsoc-discuss then instead of last years offtopic? |
| 09:22.46 | digitalcircuit | swook: Yup, I've been paying idle attention to the good advice flowing around here. I meant to apply this year, but had too much I had to deal with. Hopefully next time! |
| 09:22.57 | swook | I second the suggestion - but it'd be nice if people were pointed towards it somehow |
| 09:23.17 | swook | digitalcircuit: happened to quite a few of my classmates, GSoC applications are a lot of work and some courses are tough! |
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| 09:24.09 | digitalcircuit | Ah, glad to know I'm not the only one. Aiming for computer engineering myself... |
| 09:24.25 | kblin | that's a discussion to have with carol, though. I'm not involved in running gsoc :) |
| 09:24.42 | swook | kblin: I've already asked, the approach is understandably hands-off |
| 09:24.56 | swook | It's a: do what you want, we only run the mailing list and programme |
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| 09:26.09 | teepee-- | which is fine, if it's accepted and actively used to point people to instead of hushing them into PM |
| 09:26.10 | olasd | kblin, lh: that talk was great, thanks for linking it |
| 09:26.48 | olasd | (and also a great reminder that one shall not read youtube comments) |
| 09:27.40 | mateusz_ | olasd: "one shall not read youtube comments" - I recommend hiding comment section on Youtube with adblock. |
| 09:27.56 | mateusz_ | It nicely improves opinion about world. |
| 09:28.04 | swook | teepee--: If we're to setup a channel for students, I'd suggest #gsochillout since a student setup reddit.com/r/GSOChillout last night |
| 09:28.22 | swook | but it's not the most simple name I guess |
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| 09:30.31 | digitalcircuit | The little play on the acronym sorta fits the intent. |
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| 11:58.33 | MisterDev | Hi everyone |
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| 11:59.14 | teepee-- | hi! |
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| 12:06.42 | MisterDev | I've created a country specific mailing list for gsocers, to talk about taxes, to get to know each other etc.. Which is the best way to let people know about it? Is it a good idea to create a topic on the Gsoc student list? |
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| 12:22.20 | blast007 | MisterDev: tax advice should be provided by tax professionals, not a mailing list |
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| 12:37.12 | sahil | hi, can I ask question related to payoneer here? |
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| 12:40.51 | knbk | sahil: sure, but you're probably better off contacting their customer service for any help |
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| 12:41.33 | knbk | MisterDev: you could add it here, it's linked on the mailing list as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PouCVgiSsNOSPH6zsYEklrcJD3qIk5VgoM7CAkYbyNA/edit#gid=0 |
| 12:44.41 | MisterDev | blast007: Yes, you are right, but I think that tips from people who already has experience about can be useful too |
| 12:45.11 | MisterDev | knbk: Thanks a lot, that is very useful! :) |
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| 16:11.55 | nikketan | hi carols ! Do we get any kind of acknowledgment that all the documents (Student + tax forms) submitted are accepted and we are good to go with this program ? Also I am outside US candidate , So the foreign certificate forms is sufficient(for tax-forms at melange) or do I need to attach the tax forms which are relevant to country ? Thanks |
| 16:12.16 | carols | nikketan: youâll only be contacted if thereâs a problem with your forms, just like the proof of enrollment |
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| 16:15.22 | nikketan | carols, And we will be contacted on or before 25th May (in any such case) ? So, if I didn't hear from you I should consider that all the documents provided by me are acceptable by you (obv.) ? |
| 16:15.39 | carols | nikketan: yes, if thereâs a problem with your form youâll be contacted before 25 May. |
| 16:15.55 | nikketan | ok thanks . (y) |
| 16:15.58 | carols | yw |
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| 16:28.58 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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