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| 08:45.15 | Aakash | hi what we have to do for final mid term evaluations. I have already filled out the form for final eval |
| 08:45.53 | Aakash | *hi what we have to do for final term evaluations. I have already filled out the form for final eval |
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| 08:46.55 | olly__ | Aakash: that's what you have to do |
| 08:47.19 | olly__ | you'll need to upload a code sample too, but that has a later deadline |
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| 08:47.57 | Aakash | code sample? |
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| 08:51.12 | teepee- | Aakash: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/codeguidelines |
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| 08:56.37 | Aakash | when will the people who have passed final eval get their results? |
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| 08:57.02 | bshah | !timeline |
| 08:57.02 | gsocbot | bshah: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 08:57.11 | bshah | !next |
| 08:57.12 | gsocbot | bshah: "next" is Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students submit final evaluations |
| 08:57.26 | bshah | Aakash: ^^ |
| 08:58.25 | Aakash | ok so final eval deadline date is the time of announcing of results! |
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| 08:59.23 | gevaerts | That's not what I read there |
| 09:00.56 | olly__ | !next is Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students and mentors submit final evaluations |
| 09:00.57 | gsocbot | olly__: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 09:01.12 | olly__ | !learn next as Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students and mentors submit final evaluations |
| 09:01.12 | gsocbot | olly__: "next" is (#1) Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students submit final evaluations, or (#2) Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students and mentors submit final evaluations |
| 09:01.17 | olly__ | !forget next 1 |
| 09:01.17 | gsocbot | olly__: "next" is Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students and mentors submit final evaluations |
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| 10:32.09 | user4256 | Hi all, I am a student participating in this years GSoC. I've completed my project in a different manner than expected. I did Ok overall. I have a small fear that I may fail, because I didn't exactly achieve what I proposed. I've brought the project to an acceptable state my mentor adviced. Were any students in my situation failed in the past ? |
| 10:32.55 | olly__ | user4256: if your mentor's ok with it, that's what really matters |
| 10:33.10 | olly__ | he/she says whether you pass or not |
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| 10:36.24 | user4256 | olly__ : thanks for the reply. Do they tell the student beforehand normally ? |
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| 10:37.34 | olly__ | user4256: well you said "I've brought the project to an acceptable state my mentor adviced" |
| 10:38.30 | olly__ | it would seem strange to tell you that and then fail you |
| 10:40.54 | user4256 | olly__ : yeah. I have to wait and see for myself on 22nd. it's going to be a long day until then. Good day olly__ :-) |
| 10:41.47 | PulkoMandy | you can ask your mentor directly |
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| 10:47.10 | user4256 | PulkoMandy : I will. Thanks |
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| 11:06.26 | gafsa_lagare | hi all, is it possible to change my shipping address ? |
| 11:07.10 | VarunAgw_ | yes |
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| 11:07.43 | gafsa_lagare | VarunAgw_: nice, thank you ! |
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| 13:23.41 | mandarj | does anyone have any idea about when google code-in 2014 is going to start? |
| 13:24.12 | jpirie | xb |
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| 13:24.22 | mandarj | ? |
| 13:24.39 | PulkoMandy | the 2014 edition is over already |
| 13:24.55 | mandarj | not GSOC |
| 13:25.00 | mandarj | im talking about GCI |
| 13:26.02 | PulkoMandy | oh right. gci 2013 ended in january 2014, sorry |
| 13:26.25 | PulkoMandy | well, we don't know then. I don't think google has announced anything for GCI yet |
| 13:26.34 | mandarj | okay thanks |
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| 13:26.50 | gevaerts | They did, IIRC |
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| 13:27.06 | gevaerts | checks |
| 13:27.11 | PulkoMandy | ok, so I missed that, too... |
| 13:27.42 | gevaerts | I could be wrong :) |
| 13:28.24 | gevaerts | Yes, I *am* wrong |
| 13:28.44 | gevaerts | I remembered them announcing gci and gsoc at the same time, but that was gci2013 and gsoc2014 |
| 13:29.35 | PulkoMandy | yes, I think that's how I ended up thinking gci 2014 was already over |
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| 15:55.56 | jp__ | !logs |
| 15:55.56 | gsocbot | jp__: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 16:00.49 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:01.09 | meflin | crawls to the tea |
| 16:01.15 | meflin | only 1 review to go |
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| 16:48.50 | carols | quiet in here |
| 16:48.56 | carols | i hope everyoneâs finishing their evaluations |
| 16:49.16 | meflin | just 1 left |
| 16:49.30 | carols | good luck :-) |
| 16:49.43 | meflin | I scared the snot out of the rest ;) |
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| 16:51.02 | meflin | 90 out of 91 on the bord ... I think thats good altho I hate the red one |
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| 16:54.14 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, 75% done in the first 2 days, 88% by the 3rd, day 4 and still 88% ;-; |
| 16:54.39 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: seems like itâs always the last 10% that are the hardest :-) |
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| 16:55.30 | carols | i donât think iâll ever understand why people are so resistant to filling in a survey with some radio buttons. |
| 16:56.02 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, I just know he's getting the emails you guys are sending too. It's not even like he's a mentor and has to figure out if he wants to pass or fail someone either |
| 16:56.10 | carols | itâs so weird |
| 16:56.15 | carols | if you figure it out, please let me know |
| 16:56.16 | NikolaiToryzin | ikr? |
| 16:57.25 | carols | completely perplexing. |
| 16:57.31 | NikolaiToryzin | I'm sure if someone figures it out they'll |
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| 16:57.56 | NikolaiToryzin | They'll make him a Nobel prize category, seems like a common issue |
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| 16:59.48 | meflin | if he isn't a mentor what paperwork does he need to fill out |
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| 17:07.35 | downey | we got to 100% in 40 hours this year, it might be a record for us :) |
| 17:08.07 | meflin | nice |
| 17:09.20 | meflin | heh I have a student bothering me ... i wrote some more code what do I do ... heh |
| 17:09.37 | carols | why did he/she write more code? |
| 17:09.45 | carols | the deadline was monday... |
| 17:09.57 | meflin | well sometimes ppl like the job ;) |
| 17:10.13 | carols | oh, okay. just doing some additional volunteer work? |
| 17:10.14 | carols | i see |
| 17:10.41 | meflin | so my answer was just pull your branch from last week for the code sample ... and well keep coding :D |
| 17:10.52 | carols | yeah, good answer in that case :-) |
| 17:11.17 | meflin | Sync's students are annoyingly good ;) |
| 17:11.25 | carols | nice :-) |
| 17:11.29 | carols | well done in choosing them :-) |
| 17:11.42 | meflin | there is a method to the madness :D |
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| 17:15.31 | NikolaiToryzin | meflin: The student evaluation part |
| 17:15.38 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, gsoc evals finished for MoinMoin \o/ |
| 17:15.53 | meflin | student evals are by mentors tho .... |
| 17:16.15 | meflin | I thought you typed that this person was not a mentor |
| 17:16.22 | ThomasWaldmann | (at least for mentors, unsure about students) |
| 17:16.24 | NikolaiToryzin | meflin: Students fill out something too. |
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| 17:16.34 | meflin | ah well true |
| 17:16.45 | meflin | I dont worry about students much .... |
| 17:16.59 | meflin | if they do not do there eval's they fail as I recall |
| 17:17.19 | ThomasWaldmann | yeah, they have big motivations to fill out evals. :D except if they assume failure maybe. |
| 17:17.21 | meflin | I've yet to see a student not fill out there paperwork |
| 17:19.19 | NikolaiToryzin | He's just lazy sometimes. |
| 17:19.33 | NikolaiToryzin | I know my one student who hasn't done one will do one. |
| 17:19.57 | meflin | sometimes lazy is a feature not a bug ;) |
| 17:20.05 | NikolaiToryzin | As a general rule of thumb most of my fellow project members see a deadline and assume they can do it 10 minutes beforehand. |
| 17:20.34 | NikolaiToryzin | I don't like that feature |
| 17:22.04 | ThomasWaldmann | meflin: how many psf mentor evals missing right now? |
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| 17:24.21 | panzone | and my eval is submitted |
| 17:25.16 | carols | panzone: one less person i have to hound, so thank you |
| 17:28.42 | lool0 | carols: this has already been studied, keywords "paperwork burden", "administrative burden", "regulatory burden", etc... it has little to do with how easy it actually is to fill out a form and a lot to do with the general attitude towards it, so people are more likely to procrastinate on this ^^ |
| 17:28.46 | ThomasWaldmann | meflin: ignore, read "1" in the backlog. guess you don't need help then. |
| 17:28.47 | meflin | ThomasWaldmann: 1 |
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| 17:31.50 | carols | lool0: yes, well, this is a bit different than paying taxes or going to the dmv. the studentsâ $2700 is on the line |
| 17:32.15 | lool0 | ah I thought it was about the mentors |
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| 17:32.29 | carols | well, itâs about them too. but i understand that a lot more. |
| 17:32.34 | lool0 | students are chronic procrastinators though ;) |
| 17:32.37 | carols | theyâre just volunteers, they donât care |
| 17:32.39 | meflin | mentors who do not fill out there paperwork ... shall be eaten by a grue |
| 17:32.43 | lool0 | it's an addiction |
| 17:32.43 | carols | itâs the students i dontâ understand |
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| 17:35.47 | bshah | I am confused that on timeline its written that on 25th "Final results of Google Summer of Code 2014 announced" so students will get to know that on 25th or 22th? |
| 17:37.17 | NikolaiToryzin | bshah: You answered your own question. |
| 17:37.45 | bshah | well no.. |
| 17:37.53 | carols | bshah: students are emailed their results one the deadline has passed. |
| 17:38.00 | carols | just like at the midterms. |
| 17:38.08 | bshah | yes.. thats what I wanted to know.. |
| 17:38.11 | bshah | cool.. :) |
| 17:38.13 | carols | great |
| 17:38.14 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:42.28 | tkamppeter | carols, I have a little problem. |
| 17:42.34 | carols | tkamppeter: play... |
| 17:42.36 | carols | okay... |
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| 17:44.14 | tkamppeter | carols, All mentors have submitted their evaluations so far except Phillippe Ombredanne and Hin-Tak Leung, both SPDX projects under the Linux Foundation where I am admin. |
| 17:44.23 | carols | tkamppeter: okay... |
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| 17:45.11 | downey | !next |
| 17:45.12 | gsocbot | downey: "next" is Aug 22nd: Final Evaluation Deadline date: Students and mentors submit final evaluations |
| 17:45.16 | tkamppeter | carols, Hin-Tak wants to fail the student, an Egyptian, suffering a lot of power breakdowns (you have probably read the thread). |
| 17:45.24 | carols | tkamppeter: yes, iâm aware. |
| 17:45.25 | downey | the entire world has read that one |
| 17:46.23 | tkamppeter | carols, all the SPDX community is now coming up to me telling the student did well under these circumstances and learned a lot and he should pass. |
| 17:46.36 | carols | tkamppeter: okay⦠|
| 17:47.17 | tkamppeter | carols, now there is a race condition, like the end of an auction at eBay, who of me and Hin-Tak edits the evaluation of this student closer to the deadline wins. |
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| 17:47.34 | carols | tkamppeter: well, as the org admin your decision stands. |
| 17:47.56 | tkamppeter | carols, but the GSoC rules are AFAIK that the admin rules in such a case. |
| 17:48.05 | carols | tkamppeter: yes, thatâs exactly what i mean |
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| 17:48.14 | waldi | tkamppeter: this looks like a communication issue |
| 17:48.26 | carols | tkamppeter: iâm not sure what the question for me is then? |
| 17:48.26 | tkamppeter | carols, eval for the student is not entered yet. What should I do? |
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| 17:48.51 | waldi | tkamppeter: prod the mentors and students, aka send an e-mail? |
| 17:48.55 | carols | tkamppeter: well, as the org admin your responsibility is to submit an evaluation of the student on the mentorâs behalf if he/she does not submit it. |
| 17:48.59 | carols | is that what you mean? |
| 17:49.24 | carols | tkamppeter: or are you saying the mentor is going to âgo rogue" |
| 17:49.29 | carols | and change your decision? |
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| 17:50.03 | carols | tkamppeter: if itâs the former, then just submit the evaluation. if itâs the latter, make the mentor not a mentor for your org anymore |
| 17:50.35 | tkamppeter | As we are short before the deadline, I usually fill the missing evals with neutral values and pass the students for the case the mentors forget their duty, to keep the right to access the Summit, to assure the students getting their money and to be welcome on the GSoC next year. |
| 17:50.47 | carols | great, then thatâs fine by me. |
| 17:51.27 | tkamppeter | What I fear is that Hin-Tak will come shortly before the deadline and edit the eval to what he wanted to enter and then the student fails if I do not come back closer to the deadline. |
| 17:51.40 | carols | tkamppeter: okay, then just make him not a mentor in melange anymore. |
| 17:51.42 | carols | easily done |
| 17:52.10 | carols | if you donât know how to do that, the melange developers iâm sure would be happy to help you. |
| 17:52.18 | tkamppeter | carols, yes, great, I will do so. |
| 17:52.22 | carols | great |
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| 17:55.27 | tkamppeter | carols, I have removed the mentor roll from Hin-Tak, is this enough? |
| 17:55.42 | carols | tkamppeter: i would recommend you ask the melange developers just to verify? |
| 17:55.58 | meflin | they can be found in #melange |
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| 17:56.30 | tkamppeter | carols, ho do I access the student's application, so that I can make me the mentor of the student (get Hin-Tak out of there)? |
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| 17:56.51 | carols | tkamppeter: again, things to ask the melange developers. i canât do tech support for the software :-) |
| 17:57.45 | downey | tkamppeter: "Proposals" under the dashboard |
| 18:00.53 | tkamppeter | downey, "Proposals" is empty for me. |
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| 18:01.52 | meflin | set status in the drop down to accepted |
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| 18:05.07 | tkamppeter | meflin, thanks, mentor of this student is me now. |
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| 18:08.07 | tkamppeter | carols, student is passed now, I hope I do not have to do an emergency landing right before the destination again ... |
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| 20:50.54 | Guest45805 | hello, in order to complete everything from my side for the final evaluations I just need to populate the questionnaire ? |
| 20:51.05 | Slurpee | Guest45805, basically |
| 20:51.08 | carols | Guest45805: are you a student or a mentor? |
| 20:51.32 | Guest45805 | I am a student |
| 20:51.50 | Guest45805 | I am asking because I saw this in the events from the web site: |
| 20:51.53 | Guest45805 | [GSoC 2014] 1. Final evaluation deadline Google begins issuing student and mentoring organization payments provided forms and evaluations are on file. |
| 20:51.54 | carols | Guest45805: then you need to submit your evaluation and then after the deadline tomorrow if youâve passed you need to submit your code sample |
| 20:52.12 | Guest45805 | and I was not sure that are the above mentioned forms |
| 20:52.28 | carols | Guest45805: have you submitted your proof of enrollment and tax form? |
| 20:52.35 | Guest45805 | carols, yes I have |
| 20:52.40 | carols | those are the forms. |
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| 20:52.50 | Guest45805 | ok, so I am prepared :) |
| 20:52.52 | Guest45805 | thank you very much |
| 20:52.53 | carols | great |
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| 21:08.07 | downey | tea |
| 21:10.10 | NikolaiToryzin | downey, I tea too. |
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| 21:13.50 | downey | mmm tea |
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