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| 16:49.56 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 16:50.51 | downey | takes some blended iced chai |
| 16:50.55 | carols | hi downey |
| 16:51.02 | downey | Hi carols |
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| 17:01.20 | downey | carols: Passed 54% yet? |
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| 17:37.12 | carols | downey: yes! weâre almost at 60%! |
| 17:37.22 | downey | carols: woo! |
| 17:37.26 | carols | i know |
| 17:37.26 | downey | the poking stick worked |
| 17:37.30 | carols | right? :-) |
| 17:37.33 | carols | sort of :-) |
| 17:37.35 | carols | somewhat |
| 17:37.55 | downey | beware the poking stick all, it is quite blunt & ugly |
| 17:37.56 | carols | good enough for government work |
| 17:37.58 | carols | oh wait |
| 17:38.05 | carols | this isnât the government |
| 17:38.18 | downey | carols: probably better than govt work :) |
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| 17:38.46 | carols | lets hope so :-) |
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| 17:42.04 | meflin | % of PO's or rooms? |
| 17:42.14 | carols | meflin: % of room nights booked |
| 17:42.26 | carols | weâre worried about attrition because folks arenât using the rooms we booked for them |
| 17:42.29 | meflin | ah |
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| 17:43.50 | meflin | I employed the staff of Twap on several orgs and even myself ;) |
| 17:44.08 | carols | yeah, it seems to very slowly be working. |
| 17:44.09 | carols | somewhat. |
| 17:44.14 | carols | itâs still worrying |
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| 17:45.12 | meflin | have a tea it will work out we are just procrastinating like normal |
| 17:45.39 | carols | letâs hope so :-) |
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| 17:46.24 | downey | meflin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXziurFkQxM |
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| 17:48.52 | downey | carols: OTOH, think of all the many things people are accomplishing in lieu of rsvp'ing :) |
| 17:49.01 | carols | downey: right :-) |
| 17:49.19 | gevaerts | Yes. Impressive new high scores in their games of choice! |
| 17:49.33 | meflin | <--beta testing games :D |
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| 18:46.37 | Abhishek_ | downey: 60% of ? |
| 18:46.59 | downey | Abhishek_: 100% :) |
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| 18:47.20 | downey | Abhishek_: carols is working to get people to RSVP for the reunion |
| 18:47.34 | Abhishek_ | :) |
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| 20:40.42 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Yo |
| 20:42.56 | carols | hi NikolaiToryzin |
| 20:45.17 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, First, nice keynote. 2nd, is getting a "I see you've appointed one delegate for the summit" a bad thing when we have two? I've booked his hotel, but he seems hell bent on waiting till the last minute before filling out the google forms application thing |
| 20:45.44 | meflin | un hell bent that |
| 20:45.49 | NikolaiToryzin | hah |
| 20:45.59 | meflin | hotell registrations are already past |
| 20:46.00 | NikolaiToryzin | I've been working on that, but he argues "It says till september" |
| 20:46.12 | NikolaiToryzin | We have his hotel booked, did so a while back |
| 20:46.16 | NikolaiToryzin | Because I did it. |
| 20:47.45 | meflin | ah so the issue is the email thingy |
| 20:47.52 | carols | iâm not sure i understand the question |
| 20:48.05 | carols | why doesnât he want to register? |
| 20:48.28 | meflin | i think its this -> "I see you've appointed one delegate for the summit" |
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| 20:48.41 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, meflin, He's waiting till the last minute to do the final section, where you ask things like extra info on badges |
| 20:49.04 | meflin | hands NikolaiToryzin a TWAP stick |
| 20:49.04 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: yes, and i was asking _why_ |
| 20:49.11 | carols | _why_ is he waiting |
| 20:49.29 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, I realy wish I knew. I've spent the past 2 months bugging him to do it. |
| 20:49.47 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: you have a mentor you canât talk to? :-) |
| 20:49.56 | meflin | have you told him its past the deadline? |
| 20:50.14 | NikolaiToryzin | meflin, He knows the little drive/form thing says September ;_; |
| 20:50.32 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, That's the issue. He basically acts like it's a nonissue |
| 20:50.38 | carols | this sounds like a personality clash to me |
| 20:50.39 | meflin | that is not the deadline in this case |
| 20:50.44 | carols | in which case, i canât really help you here. |
| 20:50.52 | carols | maybe you should work out the personality issues first. |
| 20:50.59 | NikolaiToryzin | hah |
| 20:51.22 | NikolaiToryzin | I'm just asking if it would be alright if that last part gets turned in by him a little late |
| 20:51.32 | carols | sure. |
| 20:51.33 | NikolaiToryzin | Still before the deadline marked on it |
| 20:51.38 | carols | why not one more late entry. |
| 20:51.45 | carols | it only makes my life harder. |
| 20:51.48 | carols | :-) |
| 20:52.04 | NikolaiToryzin | Trust me, I see you bugging everyone to do things early |
| 20:52.29 | carols | yeah, and itâs like talking into a vaccuum sometimes |
| 20:52.32 | NikolaiToryzin | And can't say it's fun at all |
| 20:52.49 | carols | nope |
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| 21:37.53 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, The meflin approach worked quite well. He said he'd do it now after threatening to give his spot to someone else. |
| 21:38.02 | carols | great |
| 21:38.05 | carols | glad to hear it worked out |
| 21:38.24 | NikolaiToryzin | Weird how well that worked |
| 21:38.26 | meflin | sits arms akimbo |
| 21:39.46 | meflin | they pay more for a reason ... eh they dont pay me at all ;) |
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| 21:56.25 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, I'd seriously recommend making the delegate registration form require signing in to a google account or something, some troll could spam that easily |
| 21:56.49 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: we canât do that |
| 21:57.02 | carols | i donât seem to understand how many people would revolt if we did that |
| 21:57.11 | NikolaiToryzin | Damn |
| 21:57.11 | carols | we have a community that does not all like google products :-) |
| 21:57.27 | carols | i would probably get called very nasty names if i did that. |
| 21:58.08 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Well, than I can only wish you luck that no one abuses anything |
| 21:58.15 | carols | thanks very much |
| 21:58.37 | carols | we either deal with horrible people if we do one thing or we deal with horrible people if we do the other. |
| 21:58.41 | carols | welcome to my life. |
| 22:00.18 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, To be fair, don't delegates already need google accounts? |
| 22:00.31 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: to do what? |
| 22:00.40 | carols | oh, you mean to log into melange? |
| 22:00.41 | NikolaiToryzin | To join Melange |
| 22:00.46 | carols | yes, they do |
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| 22:06.32 | bkuhn | I would not call carols names in any event. I admit that I was not happy that I had to create a Google account to be a GSoC mentor. But this is ultimately Google's program, so I could always not participate if I wanted to take issue. |
| 22:06.45 | bkuhn | I sort of cheated in that my org already had a Google account in its name that I used. :) |
| 22:07.22 | carols | bkuhn: a lot of people are pretty upset about it. |
| 22:07.26 | carols | well |
| 22:07.38 | carols | would be even more upset if they had to login to register for the reunion |
| 22:07.51 | carols | itâs because i hate freedom, iâm sure. |
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| 22:07.58 | bkuhn | That's annoying. Frankly, I don't like Google's products. Most of them are proprietary software. I had to use proprietary Javascript to use Melange. I wasn't happy. But it's *Google's* program, what right do I have to complain? |
| 22:08.26 | carols | i think you have a more reasonable view than a lot of people who email me personally. |
| 22:08.28 | bkuhn | If I don't want to participate on Google's terms, I should not participate. I made a trade-off decision. |
| 22:08.44 | bkuhn | carols: would it help if I wrote publicly about making that choice? |
| 22:08.57 | carols | bkuhn: i donât know that it would, but thank you for the offer. |
| 22:09.18 | carols | the reg form can stay the way it is for now. |
| 22:09.43 | meflin | I had to have somone else create me a G-account ( the captchas dont like dislexis ) |
| 22:09.52 | meflin | and yet I did |
| 22:10.23 | carols | i think present company for the irc channel is excepted from the discussion ;-) |
| 22:10.52 | bkuhn | However, I don't agree with the "in for a penny in for a pound" point that someone raised above. |
| 22:11.02 | carols | right. |
| 22:11.07 | bkuhn | I think it would be nice of Google to limit the number of Google proprietary products that need to be used. |
| 22:11.11 | carols | and i think a lot of our mentors feel that way as well. |
| 22:11.18 | bkuhn | But it would be a "nice thing" for Google to do, not mandatory. It's Google's program. |
| 22:11.24 | carols | bkuhn: which is exactly what weâre doing :-) |
| 22:11.30 | bkuhn | carols: thank you! |
| 22:11.33 | carols | and why the reg form is open to everyone. |
| 22:11.35 | NikolaiToryzin | bkuhn, Can't forget, Google is running its own program, can't blame them for running Google stuff |
| 22:12.16 | NikolaiToryzin | That's just how I view it atleast |
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| 22:13.25 | carols | the question is whether we believe the likelihood of the form getting 0wned is more or less than pissing off mentors who donât like google products. |
| 22:13.53 | carols | and as iâm a community manager, i choose to make people as angry as infrequently as possible. |
| 22:14.12 | meflin | everyone who uses melange uses g-mail and therefore has a g account |
| 22:14.48 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Rather impressed how you do that, sounds like a tipping scale |
| 22:15.00 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: thatâs what my job is. |
| 22:15.08 | carols | to make these sorts of decisions. |
| 22:15.24 | meflin | NikolaiToryzin: never underestimate the awesomeness |
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| 22:26.15 | bkuhn | meflin: I don't use Gmail and I use Melange. :) |
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| 22:26.57 | meflin | bkuhn: but you have a g-account? |
| 22:27.08 | bkuhn | meflin: see above, I used my org's official Gmail account to "cheat". |
| 22:27.13 | bkuhn | er sorry |
| 22:27.19 | meflin | ah |
| 22:27.20 | bkuhn | my org's official Google Account. |
| 22:27.27 | bkuhn | My org doesn't have a gmail account either. :) |
| 22:27.40 | bkuhn | My org only had a Google Account because we used to use Google Checkout for donations. |
| 22:27.44 | bkuhn | before it went away. |
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| 23:12.49 | olly | carols: the marriot booking site payment confirmation suggests it's going to bill my card for the room - have I misentered something, or does it just read like that but won't actually because I quoted the promo code? |
| 23:13.21 | meflin | you have not .. it claims the same for me |
| 23:13.49 | olly | meflin: thanks - i was suprised not to have seen anyone else concerned about this |
| 23:15.25 | carols | olly: you didnât read the email? |
| 23:15.35 | carols | sigh |
| 23:15.39 | meflin | wild palms did the same thing |
| 23:15.40 | carols | why do i write the emails? |
| 23:15.56 | carols | â4. Delegates will be asked to provide a credit card during checkout. Note that they will not be charged for the three (3) nights of 23 October, 24 October, and 25 October. Delegates are welcome to book additional nights at our group rate of $129/night at their own expense.â |
| 23:16.01 | olly | carols: I did read it |
| 23:16.06 | carols | okay |
| 23:16.07 | carols | itâs fine |
| 23:16.10 | carols | you wonât be charged |
| 23:16.13 | olly | but I was still concerned by the payment page |
| 23:16.24 | carols | if youâre very very worried please call the hotel |
| 23:16.33 | carols | or just believe the email when it says you wonât be charged |
| 23:16.47 | meflin | wild plams was just the same |
| 23:16.53 | carols | what meflin said |
| 23:17.51 | meflin | I obsess about it every year and yet to have a charge on my card |
| 23:18.09 | olly | I guess it's been too long since I went to a summit, or I'm getting too old to remember stuff |
| 23:18.26 | meflin | olly: hasve a tea |
| 23:18.34 | NikolaiToryzin | Guys, it was my first summit and I still trusted carols's emails ;_; |
| 23:18.34 | olly | now that's a plan |
| 23:18.41 | NikolaiToryzin | Haven't led me astray yet |
| 23:18.49 | carols | thanks NikolaiToryzin |
| 23:19.24 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, I'll be sure to send you a bunch of angry emails if that changes though ;) |
| 23:19.29 | meflin | olly: it will be ok untill your mentor's flight show no open seats for the return ;) |
| 23:19.42 | carols | NikolaiToryzin: please donât even joke about that |
| 23:19.48 | carols | i get a lot of mean emails every year :-( |
| 23:19.50 | olly | meflin: that's OK, I can just stay longer |
| 23:20.13 | NikolaiToryzin | carols, Yeah, sorry about that. Wanted to make a joke about it |
| 23:20.17 | meflin | olly: not much of a solution when you mentor can't fly home ;) |
| 23:20.18 | carols | itâs okay |
| 23:20.23 | carols | itâs very demoralizing. |
| 23:20.50 | meflin | turns out is some weird fligy thingy with internation .. .all was good |
| 23:20.58 | olly | hugs carols - thanks for remaining awesome despite us |
| 23:21.00 | meflin | passes carols a tea |
| 23:21.08 | carols | thank you olly. and meflin. |
| 23:21.11 | carols | i appreciate it. |
| 23:22.07 | olly | goes to chase our other delegate to fill in the forms too |
| 23:22.36 | carols | thanks very much |
| 23:22.49 | carols | olly: bkuhn is probably happy to talk to you too btw, if you want. |
| 23:22.57 | carols | just a thought. |
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| 23:24.24 | sttaylor | Reminder to all folks interested in attending the GSoC Reunion in October |
| 23:24.47 | NikolaiToryzin | Don't you say the reminder now? |
| 23:25.20 | bkuhn | reads backlog. |
| 23:25.34 | sttaylor | Tomorrow we will be doing our third and possibly final lottery draw |
| 23:25.57 | olly | carols: i've talked to him at a previous summit, but failed to actually do anything very concrete about it |
| 23:26.05 | olly | bkuhn: re joining SFC |
| 23:26.34 | olly | in reference to an email i sent carol recently, rather than anything here |
| 23:26.35 | sttaylor | if you would like to come to the event you still have time to fill out the lottery request form today |
| 23:27.10 | sttaylor | we will be holding the drawing tomorrow am PST. We do have folks that have canceled and quite a few spaces open so your chance are pretty good |
| 23:29.12 | carols | olly: bkuhn was just mentioning to me at oscon that he was looking for more folks to join sfc |
| 23:29.43 | bkuhn | olly: we always welcome applications. |
| 23:29.58 | bkuhn | olly: which project is it? (Sorry if it's in backlog, I'm having trouble filing backlog at the moment) |
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| 23:36.19 | olly | bkuhnIdle: xapian (not in backlog) - you encouraged us to apply when I discussed it at the summit with you (probably 2 years ago), and I sounded out people in the org who were OK with joining, but I've failed to actually apply so far - i'll send a mail to apply@ today or else we'll just stall indefinitely |
| 23:36.44 | NikolaiToryzin | Question, what exactly is sfc? |
| 23:36.52 | NikolaiToryzin | You guys keep using that word everywhere |
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| 23:36.56 | olly | NikolaiToryzin: http://sfconservancy.org/ |
| 23:37.12 | olly | non-profit umbrella for Free Software projects |
| 23:37.15 | NikolaiToryzin | Oh! Nice, nice |
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