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| 02:48.13 | overflow | hi all |
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| 02:52.41 | NikolaiToryzin | Howdy, overflow |
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| 03:56.19 | olly | is the inline calendar showing here for people: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 03:56.39 | olly | it just says "gsummerofcode@gmail.com" for me |
| 03:57.11 | olly | hmm, reloading fixed it |
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| 04:48.34 | fewcha | Hi all, I was just going through http://google-opensource.blogspot.in/2014/06/google-summer-of-code-2014-by-numbers.html How can someone born in 1997 (17 year old) do GSoC? |
| 04:49.42 | fewcha | Isn't Google Summer of Code for students aged 18 and older only? :) |
| 04:50.50 | NikolaiToryzin | It is! |
| 04:51.08 | NikolaiToryzin | fewcha: Will you be 18 next year? |
| 04:52.00 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: No, I was born in 1993. So wIll be 22 next year |
| 04:52.20 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: Or maybe 23 according to how Google maybe calculating it |
| 04:52.28 | NikolaiToryzin | fewcha: Oh, you're old enough to apply next year easy |
| 04:52.45 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: I am doing GSoC this year already :) |
| 04:52.53 | NikolaiToryzin | Curious, why'd you mention 97? |
| 04:52.55 | NikolaiToryzin | Hah |
| 04:53.31 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: Anything illogical makes me curious, maybe that is why :) |
| 04:53.55 | NikolaiToryzin | Gotcha, yup, 18 is the magic age. |
| 04:54.05 | NikolaiToryzin | Curious, what org? |
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| 04:54.20 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: Are you a mentor? |
| 04:54.41 | NikolaiToryzin | fewcha: Org admin and a mentor |
| 04:55.00 | NikolaiToryzin | Guessing, student? |
| 04:55.19 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: Cool. So aren't you curious about what *I* am having a query about? :P |
| 04:55.24 | fewcha | NikolaiToryzin: yes |
| 04:55.48 | NikolaiToryzin | fewcha: A bit |
| 04:57.22 | fewcha | Although I don't have anything against the 17 year old student who is doing GSoC this year.. |
| 04:57.25 | olly | fewcha: i suspect it's poor labelling of the axes |
| 04:57.55 | fewcha | olly: Oh, thank god! makes sense now. Thanks! :) |
| 04:58.42 | NikolaiToryzin | olly: Wait, we've got a 17 year old student? |
| 04:59.03 | olly | NikolaiToryzin: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K3zCjIW1SSw/U5n38VTs01I/AAAAAAAAXtk/Sj2RAjLo8hM/s1600/image02.png can certainly be read as indicating that |
| 04:59.25 | NikolaiToryzin | Welp |
| 04:59.34 | olly | but i think the years actually mark the boundaries between the bars |
| 04:59.42 | fewcha | olly: So 1957 will be 1958, and so on, right? |
| 04:59.45 | olly | if you look at the placement of 1957 and 1997 |
| 05:00.12 | NikolaiToryzin | Percents might of been nicer |
| 05:00.44 | fewcha | I mean, 1956, sorry |
| 05:00.51 | fewcha | olly: Okay, makes sense |
| 05:00.52 | olly | well, the post says there's a 57 year old, who would need to be born in 1957 or 56, so the left most one must be 1957, which suggests the bar is to the right of the label |
| 05:01.35 | olly | and following that, 1997 labels a non-existent bar off the right |
| 05:02.49 | fewcha | olly: So, looking at the graph, the highest no. of students are those who were born in "between 1992 to 1993", right? |
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| 05:03.28 | olly | i guess so |
| 05:03.34 | fewcha | okay |
| 05:04.11 | olly | students in later years get selected more |
| 05:04.20 | olly | i don't know what the ratios are for applications though |
| 05:05.51 | fewcha | olly: Cool. Although those numbers are not important anyways :) |
| 05:08.22 | fewcha | btw assumes that the 57 year person was indeed a student so won't waste time asking that :) |
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| 05:10.45 | tian2992 | I'd like to know the Hondurean one, I was the first Guatemalan student so, It would be fun :P |
| 05:12.20 | fewcha | !next |
| 05:12.21 | gsocbot | fewcha: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 05:46.07 | kblin | grah |
| 05:46.43 | kblin | clearly needs a more efficient stick to poke people with |
| 05:47.59 | mavihs | !next |
| 05:48.00 | gsocbot | mavihs: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 05:48.08 | mavihs | !forget next |
| 05:48.09 | gsocbot | mavihs: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:48.17 | mavihs | !next |
| 05:48.19 | gsocbot | mavihs: Error: No factoid matches that key. |
| 05:48.33 | mavihs | opps sorry.. |
| 05:48.40 | olly | mavihs: you seem to have forgotten how forgetting things works |
| 05:49.14 | mavihs | I'm sorry. I thought it's a privelage operation and won't work.. |
| 05:49.28 | kblin | no, the factoids work a bit like a wiki |
| 05:49.34 | kblin | so now fix it.. :) |
| 05:49.49 | mavihs | what's the command? |
| 05:49.54 | mavihs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.57 | kblin | yup |
| 05:50.09 | kblin | learn factoid as explanation goes here |
| 05:50.16 | kblin | with a ! of course |
| 05:50.39 | mavihs | yeah :) |
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| 05:51.52 | overflow2 | why that |
| 05:51.57 | overflow2 | hmmmm |
| 05:52.03 | kblin | goes back to threatening his lazy mentors |
| 05:52.17 | overflow2 | kblin can i recommend a project for gsoc? |
| 05:52.24 | olly | kblin: they've got HOURS yet |
| 05:52.47 | mavihs | !learn next Pencils down begin 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
| 05:52.47 | gsocbot | mavihs: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. |
| 05:53.01 | kblin | mavihs: close, but no cigar |
| 05:53.04 | olly | isn't next the midterm deadline? |
| 05:53.16 | mavihs | I guess it's already past? |
| 05:53.20 | olly | nope |
| 05:53.22 | kblin | but one promised me to take care of it yesterday and didn't |
| 05:53.32 | kblin | and the other one seems AWOL |
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| 05:54.07 | olly | !learn next as Midterm evaluation deadline 27 June at 19:00 UTC |
| 05:54.07 | gsocbot | olly: "next" is Midterm evaluation deadline 27 June at 19:00 UTC |
| 05:54.44 | mavihs | olly: thank you :) |
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| 06:37.10 | pitush | hi, i was wondering according to the gsoc faqs, it says we should have or evalution result on file to get the payment, but we cant see the grade given by our mentor |
| 06:37.11 | pitush | ? |
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| 09:31.42 | kanwar | Hi how can i work for a organization |
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| 09:35.00 | FlowRiser | kanwar, in what way do you want to work for an organization? |
| 09:35.46 | kanwar | i want to work for an organization which does some android porjects |
| 09:36.03 | kanwar | frankly speaking i want to get into GSOC 2015 |
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| 09:36.30 | kanwar | plz help FlowRiser |
| 09:36.47 | Lennie | !manual |
| 09:36.55 | Lennie | here's to hoping that works... |
| 09:37.14 | Lennie | kanwar, http://en.flossmanuals.net/gsocstudentguide/ |
| 09:37.56 | kanwar | Lennie,thanks a ton buddy |
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| 09:38.23 | kanwar | I had very less knowledge about Android development,can i get selected for GSOC 2015 |
| 09:38.45 | tmjake | kanwar: well, you have an entire year to learn |
| 09:39.27 | kanwar | how can i connect to an org. which i want to work for |
| 09:39.33 | FlowRiser | kanwar, I think the first step is to get involved; Find a project that is close to your interests and start learning; Most importantly, try to make contacts and do not be shy |
| 09:40.11 | kanwar | FlowRiser,I had found some of the projects in which i am interested,now how can i contact them |
| 09:40.45 | FlowRiser | kanwar, most of the devs or maintainers of the project leave their emails in the project |
| 09:40.56 | tmjake | kanwar: most projects have a mailing list and/or an irc channel |
| 09:41.03 | tmjake | read/contribute to those |
| 09:41.16 | FlowRiser | kanwar, what tmjake said ^^ |
| 09:41.17 | kanwar | but on the google melange page there is no link |
| 09:41.25 | tmjake | then go to their actual site |
| 09:41.34 | tmjake | or, google the name of the org |
| 09:41.42 | tmjake | to find it if there is no link on melange |
| 09:42.13 | kanwar | ok |
| 09:42.42 | kanwar | can they hire me,even if they have plenty students |
| 09:42.44 | kanwar | ? |
| 09:43.22 | FlowRiser | you do know, we do this for free? xD The stipend from Google is just a bonus |
| 09:43.41 | FlowRiser | I'm honestly just lucky to be taught by two amazing mentors |
| 09:43.59 | tmjake | kanwar: most of this opensource stuff is unpaid work |
| 09:45.27 | FlowRiser | kanwar, but don't be shy; Find a bug and fix it yourself, that's the beauty of opensource; Send in your patch to the devs and get a review; you'll improve in no time |
| 09:45.55 | kanwar | alright FlowRiser |
| 09:46.11 | FlowRiser | And previews commits/involvement in opensource projects help your application for the next GSoC |
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| 09:51.44 | kanwar | ya,now I ahd selected few organizations and now i will contact them |
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| 11:47.20 | gitanshu | kanwar: someone asked something similar on quora recently: http://www.quora.com/How-can-I-prepare-for-GSoC-2015 |
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| 11:53.38 | dufferzafar | !logs |
| 11:53.38 | gsocbot | dufferzafar: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 12:00.59 | panzone | Uh, there are really a lot of questions about preparing for GSOC2015 |
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| 13:49.56 | carols | serves some coffee and tea |
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| 14:02.05 | mavihs | sips the coffee |
| 14:03.33 | mavihs | will we get any confirmation mail regarding pass/fail in the mid term evaluation? |
| 14:04.04 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 14:04.25 | raveesh_ | tentatively by when? |
| 14:05.03 | gevaerts | Immediately after the evaluation period closes |
| 14:05.11 | mavihs | gevaerts: thanks |
| 14:05.17 | gevaerts | One minute after, according to what was said yesterday |
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| 14:10.15 | r4chi7 | so approximately 5 hours from now? |
| 14:10.23 | carols | r4chi7: approximately, yes. |
| 14:10.36 | r4chi7 | carols: cool |
| 14:10.59 | carols | keep in mind there is only one human running this show |
| 14:11.25 | carols | and there are still mentors and students i have to wrangle who haven’t submitted evaluations |
| 14:11.45 | carols | the mind boggles. |
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| 14:14.00 | r4chi7 | carols: yeah, it's perfectly understandable. :-) |
| 14:14.14 | carols | r4chi7: some people don’t seem to agree with that.. |
| 14:14.19 | carols | they want us to do even more work |
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| 14:16.05 | gevaerts | That must mean they think you're doing things really well :) |
| 14:19.25 | r4chi7 | carols: yeah :/ |
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| 14:28.22 | VaticanCameos | !next |
| 14:28.23 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "next" is Midterm evaluation deadline 27 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 14:32.19 | carols | bkuhn: you here? |
| 14:32.27 | bkuhn | carols: yes! |
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| 14:55.35 | raveesh_ | carols: I'm sorry to bug you, I just want to know if I heard it right, that we'd receive notification email of passing/failing in the evaluations, a few minutes after the deadline ? |
| 14:55.58 | carols | raveesh_: yes, you did. |
| 14:56.10 | raveesh_ | thanks carols :) |
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| 14:57.10 | raveesh_ | I really appreciate your help and sorry for the pains you are taking, all alone. You are strong and believe me you are doing a good job. :) |
| 14:57.37 | raveesh_ | cheers for carols ! :D |
| 14:57.50 | carols | cheers |
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| 14:58.00 | carols | any suggestions on how to get people to submit their evaluations? |
| 14:58.11 | carols | apparently even direct emails from me doesn’t persuade people. |
| 14:58.12 | carols | :-( |
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| 14:59.33 | raveesh_ | Maybe you cuold impose penalties from and/or for next time. |
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| 15:00.33 | carols | i have. |
| 15:00.38 | carols | doesn’t persuade people either. |
| 15:00.39 | VaticanCameos | I don't get why people wouldn't submit evaluations. I submitted the form the very moment it was available. |
| 15:00.43 | gevaerts | raveesh_: the penalties are quite serious, actually |
| 15:00.48 | carols | i don’t get it either :-( |
| 15:01.30 | r4chi7 | and it took merely 5 minutes to complete! |
| 15:01.56 | raveesh_ | agrees with VaticanCameos and r4chi7 |
| 15:02.07 | carols | less than that if you don’t answer the optional questions... |
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| 15:03.49 | bitner | carols -- perhaps two step deadline. as admin, i always require (or at least try to) that evals filled out 48 hours before your deadline so i can review (and sadly chase down missing) |
| 15:04.10 | r4chi7 | carols: maybe email the students that their mentors have not completed the evaluations. That will get the students to bother their mentors ;) |
| 15:04.15 | bitner | if advertised deadline was 48 hours before a "hard deadline" so burden of chasing down could be on the admins |
| 15:04.31 | luthrak | One intersting way I heard was a competition (mentors vs students) on which side will be first to submit all evals, IIRC. Thumbs up to the org admin for such a nice idea! :D |
| 15:04.55 | carols | bitner: it turns out no one cares about deadlines whether they’re hard or not. if they’re going to ignore them they’re just going to ignore them no matter what |
| 15:05.09 | Valodim | is this mentor evaluations, or student evaluations? |
| 15:05.13 | bitner | carols: sadly, true |
| 15:05.19 | carols | Valodim: both |
| 15:05.34 | r4chi7 | luthrak: ;) |
| 15:05.40 | Valodim | aren't consequences for missing student evaluation deadlines immediate failure? |
| 15:06.03 | carols | Valodim: yep. |
| 15:06.09 | carols | even if the mentor passes them. |
| 15:06.17 | carols | doesn’t seem to matter. |
| 15:06.29 | bitner | baffled by human nature |
| 15:06.33 | carols | me too. |
| 15:06.46 | Valodim | hm |
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| 15:07.09 | panzone | carols: even with the optional question it took me something like 10 minutes to submit my evaluation (thanks to your precedent mail, I prepared my answers xD) |
| 15:07.30 | angrycodr | should i ask my mentor that has he submitted the midterm evaluation ? |
| 15:07.33 | carols | panzone: yeah, it’s not like it’s this big thing... |
| 15:07.37 | angrycodr | i am currently chatting with him |
| 15:07.41 | Valodim | well considering the number of mails we get from people asking if they can still participate in the program (expecting to be paid and everything)... |
| 15:07.42 | carols | angrycodr: if you’d like to. |
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| 15:08.35 | panzone | uh, now I' m curious if my mentor submitted his evaluation. |
| 15:09.09 | teepee | panzone: very easy to find out :) |
| 15:09.22 | carols | panzone: yep, you’re welcome to just ask.. |
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| 15:09.30 | angrycodr | carols: he has ! thanks |
| 15:09.33 | panzone | teepee: true, in fact I'm just asking him xD |
| 15:10.18 | teepee | panzone: yeah, no harm done asking. we did that too |
| 15:10.28 | fewcha | carols: Is there going to be some kind of email sent to us about whether we got passed/failed? |
| 15:10.38 | rahulrrixe | carols : Hi :) |
| 15:10.39 | carols | fewcha: of course. |
| 15:10.42 | carols | rahulrrixe: hi |
| 15:10.47 | fewcha | carols: okies :) |
| 15:10.58 | carols | fewcha: how else would you find out your evaluation decision? |
| 15:10.58 | rahulrrixe | carols : I have completed the task according to the timeline but i didn't know what my mentor expectation is |
| 15:11.06 | carols | rahulrrixe: i’m sorry? |
| 15:11.09 | carols | what task? |
| 15:11.17 | rahulrrixe | carols : He never said me or discussed on this issue |
| 15:11.25 | rahulrrixe | carols : my milestone |
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| 15:11.29 | fewcha | carols: I see :) |
| 15:11.40 | rahulrrixe | carols : for the mid evaluation |
| 15:11.42 | carols | rahulrrixe: are you talking about something personal? are you sure you want to do that in a public, logged channel? |
| 15:11.58 | rahulrrixe | carols : sorry |
| 15:12.06 | carols | you don’t need to apologize to me.. |
| 15:12.09 | carols | it’s your information. |
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| 15:36.40 | gitanshu | I was wondering will a phone app for student/mentor evaluation help? :P |
| 15:37.13 | panzone | xD probably. we should write one |
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| 15:39.45 | gitanshu | I am up for it if someone from melange gives me the required API, details etc |
| 15:40.20 | gevaerts | A phone app that does what exactly? Nag people to do the evaluation? |
| 15:40.29 | carols | gitanshu: sure, please contact the #melange folks |
| 15:40.42 | gitanshu | gevaerts: Yes :P |
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| 15:41.13 | gitanshu | does that sound like a bad idea? :P |
| 15:42.11 | PulkoMandy | now you need to make sure the mentors/students have installed the app... |
| 15:42.26 | gevaerts | PulkoMandy: that bit is easy |
| 15:42.41 | gevaerts | gsoc is google, android is google. Just factory-install it on all android phones! |
| 15:43.04 | PulkoMandy | mh, or maybe Google should bundle a phone in the welcome package? |
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| 15:44.41 | carols | PulkoMandy: if the student wants a phone why wouldn’t he/she buy it with his/her stipend? |
| 15:45.14 | gitanshu | because then he might buy an iphone :P |
| 15:45.30 | gevaerts | carols: because that phone wouldn't have the evaluation nag app preinstalled |
| 15:45.38 | carols | gitanshu: sorry, what’s the problem with that? |
| 15:45.51 | carols | gevaerts: i’m never going to force people to install an app... |
| 15:46.24 | gitanshu | @carols: iphone was just one example. Poeple have different phones, so make app for all OSes. |
| 15:46.43 | carols | gitanshu: indeed, and isn’t that great? |
| 15:46.50 | carols | we have a whole phone OS ecosystem |
| 15:46.55 | carols | it’s really nice |
| 15:48.05 | gopesh | why don't we go for a fully-fleged melange app |
| 15:48.24 | carols | gopesh: i’d love it. would you like to write it? |
| 15:48.28 | gitanshu | i was thinking of the same |
| 15:48.42 | gopesh | or we just redesign the melange that is responsive enough to be rendered on tabs and phones |
| 15:49.02 | gopesh | carols: write what |
| 15:49.03 | carols | gopesh: a great thing to add when you talk to the melange developers about what you’re writing |
| 15:49.03 | gopesh | ?? |
| 15:49.09 | carols | gopesh: the app you’re suggesting |
| 15:49.27 | gitanshu | there is a project for responsive design of melange in this gsoc |
| 15:49.42 | gopesh | sure I will suggest this to melange developers |
| 15:49.51 | carols | great thanks |
| 15:49.58 | gitanshu | but only responsive design won't give all those phone integration things like push notifications |
| 15:49.59 | gopesh | but this has to be for all OS's |
| 15:50.07 | carols | all things to discuss on #melange |
| 15:50.20 | gopesh | carols: cool :) |
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| 15:50.59 | gitanshu | gopesh: count me in. Maybe PM me if you go to #melange for this. |
| 15:51.18 | gopesh | gitanshu: cool :) np |
| 15:51.48 | PulkoMandy | note: you don't have to wait for next GSoC to start working on it! |
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| 15:53.53 | panzone | carols: in fact probably with this stipend I could buy a smartphone xD |
| 15:54.02 | carols | panzone: great, enjoy! |
| 15:54.33 | VaticanCameos | I'm buying a laptop with it. Couldn't be more grateful. |
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| 15:55.31 | gitanshu | PulkoMandy we don't want to wait either, or someone will be having this discussion about people not filling evaluations next gsoc too. :P |
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| 16:23.33 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
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| 16:31.02 | dufferzafar | snatches it from Abhishek_ :P |
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| 16:31.39 | Abhishek_ | it was just a cup dude, I didn't say it had either tea or coffee :P |
| 16:32.13 | pombreda | Howdy, I am an org admin and mentor: we have a difficult case to decide right away as pass or fail |
| 16:34.08 | pombreda | he was mostly inactive for 3 weeks and started submitting patches yesterday. not great. low interaction. we are quite inclined to fail him, but I like to be lenient a bit. He did some thing. (he was moving from another country in the last 3 weeks) |
| 16:34.43 | pombreda | tough decision :| |
| 16:35.20 | carols | every year we have so many grandmothers die and so many students get sick right before the midterm |
| 16:35.25 | carols | sometimes the same week as the midterm |
| 16:35.35 | carols | amazing how volatile gsoc is for the students’ health |
| 16:35.53 | Glorf | and students's related health, too :p |
| 16:36.32 | pombreda | :D |
| 16:36.34 | r4chi7 | pombreda: if you haven't, then please read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCMentoring/evaluations/, it may help you solve your doubts :-) |
| 16:37.02 | sar1 | carols: so this year how many students got sick or whose grandmothers died |
| 16:37.09 | carols | sar1: i know of 3 so far |
| 16:37.13 | pombreda | r4chi7: I have, I am mostly searching for soul support at this time :P |
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| 16:37.19 | carols | and i’ll hear about more once the students get the emails they failed |
| 16:37.38 | r4chi7 | carols: just the thought scares me :/ |
| 16:37.43 | r4chi7 | pombreda: ah ;) |
| 16:37.56 | Glorf | pombreda: toss a coin :p |
| 16:38.04 | r4chi7 | pombreda: i would have advised you to talk to the org admin, but alas ;) |
| 16:38.12 | sar1 | carols: so, how you believe them, are they suppose to submit some report or what |
| 16:38.18 | PulkoMandy | we have one student who gave no news for about 4 weeks. But at least he was nice enough to not try to rushcode something this week |
| 16:38.25 | carols | sar1: report? no, that’s between them and their mentors |
| 16:38.32 | carols | if they decide they believe them |
| 16:38.45 | sar1 | ohh, right |
| 16:39.48 | r4chi7 | carols: does it happen that a student is failed, but he/she is able to convince the org of some reason, and then the student is able to work again? |
| 16:39.57 | PulkoMandy | pombreda: was that an unplanned move to another country? We usually are quite flexible with our students, but only if they plan ahead for that kind of events in their original application timeline |
| 16:40.10 | meflin | I'm sure someone this year lost both grandmothers in a tragic accident, gsoc is very hard on grandmothers |
| 16:40.12 | carols | r4chi7: if the student fails the student is out. they can’t “make it up" |
| 16:40.19 | r4chi7 | carols: ok |
| 16:40.28 | carols | meflin: it sure is…so many deaths in families of students who are in gsoc |
| 16:40.37 | carols | meflin: and always at the midterm |
| 16:40.37 | meflin | they can keep working outside of gsoc |
| 16:40.43 | PulkoMandy | pombreda: if he decided to leave for a 3 weeks vacation without warning anyone, that sounds like a valid reason to fail him, however |
| 16:41.27 | carols | PulkoMandy pombreda: a valid reason to fail him/her is that he/she is not coding to the established project plan and milestones |
| 16:41.34 | carols | that’s the easiest way to decide |
| 16:42.00 | pombreda | PulkoMandy: he had said in his application he would be moving indeed, but that was not supposed to impact too much interactions with the project at least. he went incommunicado for 3 weeks. |
| 16:42.14 | carols | pombreda: then fail him, why the indecision? |
| 16:42.23 | pombreda | no indecision anymore :) |
| 16:42.27 | carols | great |
| 16:42.42 | pombreda | case closed, thanks for your moral support |
| 16:42.48 | carols | if he was an employee of your company and he wasn’t performing to standards you’d fire him |
| 16:42.55 | carols | i don’t see why gsoc should be any different |
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| 16:46.15 | panzone | uh, if a student doesn' t submit its evaluation, he/she receive a memo ? |
| 16:46.28 | carols | panzone: memo? |
| 16:46.31 | carols | i don’t understand |
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| 16:50.21 | panzone | sorry, an email for notification. i have submitted my evaluation, I' m just anxious if I have done everything correctly xD |
| 16:51.26 | carols | panzone: everyone receives an email... |
| 16:52.06 | pombreda | carols: you have a point, but I do not really see mentor/students relations as employer/employees relationships .... ;) |
| 16:52.31 | carols | pombreda: fair enough. that’s your prerogative as his mentor. you decide how you want to evaluate him |
| 16:52.48 | carols | and then you don’t need us :-) |
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| 17:04.53 | dirkhh | as org admin, can I see the evaluations that have been submitted in my org? |
| 17:06.22 | carols | dirkhh: it depends on what you mean |
| 17:06.28 | carols | whether they’ve been submitted or not? |
| 17:06.28 | carols | yes |
| 17:06.35 | carols | what the content is? only for your mentors |
| 17:06.54 | dirkhh | I mostly care about submitted or not |
| 17:07.06 | carols | dirkhh: yes, you can see that |
| 17:07.10 | dirkhh | how? :-) |
| 17:07.22 | dirkhh | I tried hard to find that but failed |
| 17:07.41 | carols | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014#mentor_evaluations http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/dashboard/google/gsoc2014#student_evaluations |
| 17:09.07 | dirkhh | excellent. Thank you so much |
| 17:09.11 | carols | cheers |
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| 17:34.10 | sawrubh | wonders when the email with the midterms results would be sent to the students |
| 17:34.20 | sawrubh | it's not popping out at me in the scrollback |
| 17:34.39 | gevaerts | sawrubh: shortly after the end of the evaluation meriod |
| 17:34.43 | gevaerts | As in a few minutes |
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| 17:36.54 | carols | sawrubh: when evaluations are over... |
| 17:36.57 | carols | they aren’t over yet |
| 17:37.09 | carols | we don’t send emails before everyone’s had their chance to submit an evaluation :-) |
| 17:37.26 | sawrubh | which means EOD today (27th US time?) |
| 17:37.47 | carols | sawrubh: which means after the deadline. |
| 17:37.55 | carols | the deadline is 1900 UTC today, as per the timeline. |
| 17:37.57 | sawrubh | checks the line of the dead |
| 17:38.00 | gitanshu | 83 minutes to go |
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| 17:41.14 | dhanush | carols: how many havent filled out? any idea? |
| 17:41.27 | carols | dhanush: yes, i have an idea. i know exactly in fact |
| 17:42.20 | dhanush | carols: how many is that? :o |
| 17:42.31 | carols | dhanush: what’s the reason you need to know? |
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| 17:43.01 | dhanush | carols: just being inquisitive. Its wouldn't matter much to me. |
| 17:43.11 | carols | great, if it doesn’t matter then have some tea |
| 17:43.23 | bshah | :D |
| 17:43.32 | dhanush | sips some tea. :P |
| 17:44.06 | gitanshu | I think it can be a good project to visualise all this kind of data. When people fill evaluations? When people send their proposals? etc |
| 17:44.31 | gopesh | gitanshu: come on #melange |
| 17:44.54 | Abhishek_ | the viz might have been done internally every year and it might have been a topic of discussion as well there I guess |
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| 17:45.18 | carols | Abhishek_: you seem to think i have a lot more time in my day than i actually do. |
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| 18:28.38 | VaticanCameos | Half an hour to go |
| 18:28.58 | dhanush | 31 mins. :P |
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| 18:36.21 | carols | no countdowns or i will mute this channel |
| 18:39.18 | avikpal | are we going to get the mail right away or google will take some time to decide upon the evaluations(don't know if mentors are asked straight away questions regarding whether to keep someone or not) |
| 18:40.00 | avikpal | * or some people may be completing it at this very last moment :P |
| 18:40.09 | pchaigno | avikpal: we'll know right away by mail |
| 18:41.23 | avikpal | pchaigno: great then |
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| 18:57.59 | VaticanCameos | Writing tests is a good pastime. |
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| 18:59.28 | NikolaiToryzin | VaticanCameos: Can't say we share hobbies then. |
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| 19:00.28 | VaticanCameos | NikolaiToryzin: I meant for passing the time until the evaluation deadline |
| 19:00.47 | VaticanCameos | If only writing tests were my hobby, I wouldn't participate in gsoc. |
| 19:01.12 | fewcha | carols: When can we expect the mails to be sent? :) |
| 19:01.21 | carols | fewcha: how about having some tea? |
| 19:01.34 | fewcha | carols: sure! :) |
| 19:01.36 | VaticanCameos | fewcha seems to have had red bull ;p |
| 19:01.38 | carols | great |
| 19:02.02 | gevaerts | gives fewcha an extremely hot cup of tea that has either the word "pass" or the word "fail" written on the bottom |
| 19:02.10 | gevaerts | You'll have to drink it to find out! |
| 19:02.20 | Abhishek_ | fortune coffee :P |
| 19:02.32 | Abhishek_ | *tea |
| 19:02.41 | fewcha | tries to drink it |
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| 19:03.11 | Abhishek_ | carefully fills up his mug with hot chocolate |
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| 19:04.25 | mavihs | is keenly looking at the watch |
| 19:04.50 | Abhishek_ | time's already passed though I guess |
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| 19:05.24 | gevaerts | Abhishek_: time passes continuously! |
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| 19:05.44 | panzone | gervaerts: unfortunately |
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| 19:06.07 | mavihs | lol; |
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| 19:06.43 | Abhishek_ | s/passed/past |
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| 19:09.58 | holliake | !next |
| 19:10.00 | gsocbot | holliake: "next" is Midterm evaluation deadline 27 June at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:10.53 | holliake | hello, are the students supposed to receive emails stating whether they have passed or failed their evaluations ? |
| 19:10.54 | dhanush | gsocbot: update yourself. :P |
| 19:11.17 | PulkoMandy | dhanush: you can do that, use the !forget and !learn commands |
| 19:11.20 | dhanush | holliake: yup. in a while. |
| 19:11.43 | carols | holliake: they’re going out now. please keep in mind there are 1,300 students who are receiving emails |
| 19:11.47 | dhanush | !forget |
| 19:11.47 | gsocbot | dhanush: (forget [<channel>] <key> [<number>|*]) -- Removes the factoid <key> from the factoids database. If there are more than one factoid with such a key, a number is necessary to determine which one should be removed. A * can be used to remove all factoids associated with a key. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 19:12.25 | holliake | so even if they are to fail their evalutions, they would still receive emails ? |
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| 19:12.45 | carols | holliake: yep |
| 19:12.45 | mavihs | !forget next |
| 19:12.46 | gsocbot | mavihs: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:12.50 | dhanush | passed! |
| 19:12.58 | carols | holliake: you don’t just get forgotten and not receive emails if you fail :-P |
| 19:13.01 | dhanush | does the hula dance! |
| 19:13.05 | gevaerts | holliake: it would be rather "interesting" not to tell the people who failed about that |
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| 19:13.40 | mavihs | !learn next as Pencils down 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:13.41 | gsocbot | mavihs: "next" is Pencils down 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:13.51 | mavihs | good bot :) |
| 19:14.07 | carols | mavihs: that’s the suggested pencils down date. |
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| 19:14.12 | carols | you may want to list that |
| 19:14.19 | mavihs | oh. sure. |
| 19:14.20 | panzone | arrived |
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| 19:14.37 | mavihs | !forget next |
| 19:14.38 | gsocbot | mavihs: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:15.00 | mavihs | !learn next as Suggested 'Pencils down' 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:15.03 | gsocbot | mavihs: "next" is Suggested 'Pencils down' 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
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| 19:19.21 | fewcha | carols: yippee, I passed! :D |
| 19:19.25 | carols | great |
| 19:19.27 | carols | congrats |
| 19:19.28 | prth | have everyone who passed received the mail saying "from our data it `seems` that you have successfully passed"? |
| 19:20.39 | umccullough | would be surprised if a student didn't know they were failing already |
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| 19:21.26 | fewcha | !next |
| 19:21.27 | gsocbot | fewcha: "next" is Suggested 'Pencils down' 11 Aug at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:22.39 | Abhishek_ | cleared :) |
| 19:23.14 | THT | I still didn't get my email (I'm confident that I should've passed). I hope, it's not a reason to worry |
| 19:23.46 | THT | nvm, got it a second ago, all good. |
| 19:23.59 | mavihs | congrats :) |
| 19:24.28 | _dstorm | is waiting for payoneer mail now ;) |
| 19:24.47 | THT | Thanks) |
| 19:24.52 | THT | *going back to push those commits |
| 19:25.11 | Glorf | got it too hehe |
| 19:25.21 | Glorf | any idea when payoneer mail will be incoming ? |
| 19:26.12 | THT | If everything is automated, shouldn't take too long. But with all the transfers, I imagine it could take up to a week |
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| 19:27.32 | gitanshu | Just checked the mail and I was all like http://goo.gl/Wc7a8B |
| 19:27.51 | mavihs | yeah. In the email it was written that we will receive the payments by 2nd july |
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| 19:28.45 | mavihs | carols: Any official stats on how many students passed/failed? Just curious to know :) |
| 19:28.56 | carols | mavihs: sure, it’s already online |
| 19:29.00 | carols | and on our plus page |
| 19:29.07 | mavihs | thanks :) |
| 19:31.02 | Abhishek_ | carols: Out of curiosity, how many students failed because they didn't fill up their evaluations (while the mentors passed them)? |
| 19:31.14 | carols | Abhishek_: that’s not something we make public |
| 19:31.18 | Abhishek_ | k |
| 19:31.19 | VaticanCameos | Abhishek_: However many there are, it must be the worst feeling. |
| 19:31.20 | carols | it’s really none or the public’s business |
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| 19:36.37 | kremlin- | i took a look at the data from the past and it seems GSoC has an already high but growing success rate :) |
| 19:36.58 | THT | yep, around 95% this year (so far) |
| 19:37.04 | gitanshu | So 1238 passed. how many were the total? |
| 19:37.17 | umccullough | 1307 |
| 19:37.29 | kremlin- | THT: oh wow, that's great! last year was only ~90% :) |
| 19:37.41 | umccullough | at midterm, or total? |
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| 19:42.53 | kremlin-_ | i even got my code to compile with -Wall and -Wextra for the occassion |
| 19:43.08 | Turl | yay email :) |
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| 19:44.04 | s0014 | It really feels great when something you work for is accepted. ^.^ |
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| 19:44.36 | THT | Agreed. I learned many amazing things (from my personal perspective). And it's a great feeling to see those things work |
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| 19:45.50 | mavihs | that is why gsoc is one of the best thing to do in summers :) |
| 19:46.00 | kremlin-_ | not seeing "Segmentation Fault (Core dumped)" already reward enough :) |
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| 19:46.18 | THT | lol, yeah. I had that in the beginning too |
| 19:46.21 | mavihs | next to interning in Google MVC HQ |
| 19:46.28 | THT | And yes, it's much better than working for my tuiting on a construction |
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| 19:46.45 | PulkoMandy | more fun is "Too many errors, giving up" from the compiler |
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| 19:47.18 | THT | yeah, I had "Confused by previous errors. Bailing out" |
| 19:47.28 | THT | How can I not love computer science after that... |
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| 19:49.48 | Abhishek_ | stuff I'm developing with BeagleBoard.org should be bundled in the next system image of the BeagleBone Black. Love that feeling :) |
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| 19:51.55 | holliake | passed ! yipee ! :-D |
| 19:52.22 | kremlin-_ | congrats! |
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| 20:19.24 | holliake | hello, when can the students expect mail from payoneer ? |
| 20:20.05 | NikolaiToryzin | Not a student, but you should of received something long ago |
| 20:20.07 | carols | holliake: payoneer? |
| 20:20.10 | panzone | july 2nd |
| 20:20.12 | carols | did you read my email? |
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| 20:20.57 | holliake | carols: I didnt get any email from you |
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| 20:21.17 | carols | holliake: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-summer-of-code-students-list/bk-EH1iQmCI/GqXNLU5RPHMJ “I will file payments for all passing students after the evaluation window closes on 27 June, which means you can expect your funds to be active in your Payoneer account on or before 2 July if all your evaluations are in order.” |
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| 20:24.33 | holliake | okay carols , thanks :-) |
| 20:24.37 | carols | yw |
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| 20:31.51 | dhanush | carols: thanks for the acm memberships! :) |
| 20:32.00 | carols | dhanush: sure, you should thank them |
| 20:32.16 | dhanush | carols: :P |
| 20:32.26 | carols | dhanush: why is that silly? |
| 20:32.29 | gitanshu | @carols: My old acm membership expired 30th May :') |
| 20:32.37 | carols | :-) |
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| 20:33.14 | dhanush | carols: no not silly. just that since it is you who is arranging all of this. I thought to thank you. :) |
| 20:33.28 | Abhishek_ | carols do forward our thanks to ACM :) |
| 20:33.37 | tachyons_ | what is ACM |
| 20:33.43 | tachyons_ | googling |
| 20:33.45 | panzone | uh, really nice. I always want to try it |
| 20:33.45 | carols | tachyons_: did you look it up? |
| 20:34.09 | panzone | tachyons: binging, not googling |
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| 20:34.25 | kremlin- | thanks for the ACM membership! was this only offered to USA citizens? |
| 20:34.40 | carols | kremlin-: it had nothing to do with citizenship. |
| 20:34.52 | kremlin- | carols: just checking, thanks :) |
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| 20:36.29 | prth | just fyi, GSoC'14 Untracked Projects http://pastebin.com/eiacqeXH |
| 20:37.28 | carols | prth: what is this? |
| 20:37.33 | carols | and why are you posting it here? |
| 20:37.51 | prth | carols, the projects which were dropped after mid term evaluation from the accepted project's list |
| 20:38.17 | carols | prth: in the future you don’t need to post that here. |
| 20:38.25 | tachyons_ | carols, but it is a student membership , My UG course will finish within one one month :-) |
| 20:38.32 | carols | tachyons_: okay |
| 20:38.48 | prth | carols, sorry, i'll surely keep that in mind |
| 20:38.52 | carols | great |
| 20:41.43 | kremlin- | bizarre timing for this ACM thing -- i was going to take a crack at debugging a SCSI device today and it looks like there's a whole book about it i'll be able to access soon :) |
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| 20:48.05 | somaen | SCSI is still in use? |
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| 20:48.35 | umccullough | yes |
| 20:48.47 | kremlin- | somaen: the drivers are, yeah. this is specifically for an ATA optical drive but it sits on top of a SCSI driver |
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| 20:49.18 | umccullough | the SCSI api was always more advanced than the old IDE api, so it became the "standard" for more modern devices |
| 20:49.47 | umccullough | i know it's different, but iSCSI is still very relevant |
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| 20:50.34 | kremlin- | aye, it is an *extremely* complex driver, i might be in over my head. there's a whole book dedicated to it, after all :) |
| 20:50.41 | somaen | the more you know... I always thought of SCSI as "that high-end equipment I could never afford untill it was obsoleted by SATA" |
| 20:50.48 | badescunicu | carols: thank you and acm for those memberships! :D |
| 20:52.17 | umccullough | somaen, yeah, SATA/AHCI pulls much from the SCSI api |
| 20:52.34 | gevaerts | somaen: ever plugged in a USB disk? |
| 20:52.35 | issam | are we able to read the evaluations? |
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| 21:00.15 | tachyons_ | issam, no |
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| 21:03.25 | issam | I see :) |
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| 21:04.22 | apsdehal | If a project has five mentors, how mentors' stipend is distributed? |
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| 21:05.03 | gevaerts | apsdehal: there is no mentors' stipend, technically |
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| 21:05.14 | apsdehal | What about $500? |
| 21:05.14 | gevaerts | The organisations get $500 per student they mentor |
| 21:05.32 | apsdehal | Okay so money goes to mentors. |
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| 21:05.35 | gevaerts | They *can* pass that on to the mentors, but that's entirely their business |
| 21:05.42 | apsdehal | afterwards |
| 21:05.50 | gevaerts | For some organisations, yes |
| 21:05.56 | umccullough | our org doesn't give it to the mentors |
| 21:06.05 | NikolaiToryzin | apsdehal: No, that depends on the orgs policy |
| 21:06.09 | NikolaiToryzin | umccullough: We don't either |
| 21:06.18 | apsdehal | So its upto organization only. |
| 21:06.26 | apsdehal | Thanks |
| 21:06.27 | NikolaiToryzin | Yes, exactly |
| 21:06.32 | umccullough | considering that each student may be mentored by several people, it's hard to really do that anyway |
| 21:06.36 | umccullough | we have a "mentor pool" |
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| 21:07.03 | gitanshu | I heard mentors get goodies |
| 21:07.16 | gitanshu | Is that right? |
| 21:07.17 | NikolaiToryzin | They.... Don't. |
| 21:07.25 | gevaerts | They get a tshirt |
| 21:07.35 | NikolaiToryzin | At the end. |
| 21:07.35 | gevaerts | Same as the students |
| 21:07.51 | gitanshu | Ah! Wrong information source I got. |
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| 21:08.57 | gitanshu | I have a friend though who mentored Google Code In last year |
| 21:09.07 | gitanshu | and he has hell lot of google goodies |
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| 21:09.32 | gitanshu | many tshirts and sweats and a cap |
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| 21:10.56 | tachyons_ | gitanshu, I was a mentor for gci 2013 |
| 21:11.13 | tachyons_ | one t shirt only :-) |
| 21:11.27 | gevaerts | He probably bought at least some of it |
| 21:11.38 | issam | tacgyons_ did they give you anything else ? |
| 21:11.51 | issam | tachyons_* did they give you anything else ? |
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| 21:12.22 | issam | funds for example |
| 21:12.50 | tachyons_ | issam, yes , an email ;-) |
| 21:12.55 | issam | lol :) |
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| 21:13.12 | umccullough | in past summits i have picked up extra goodies (mostly shirts) |
| 21:13.41 | tachyons_ | BTW it is google code in , not google summer of code :-) |
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| 22:00.58 | gitanshu | He did attend a summit |
| 22:01.03 | gitanshu | maybe he got them from there |
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| 22:22.10 | pombreda | alright, gsoc admins, we failed a student and then he is now making a good case for us to keep him. I am willing to give him that one chance, if this is still possible to unfail him at this stage. if not he is willing to contribute to the project anyway. |
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| 22:22.40 | thiago | pombreda: mail carols |
| 22:22.43 | pombreda | kblin: scorche` nathanielmanista : is there such a possibility? |
| 22:22.53 | pombreda | thanks thiago , will do right away |
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| 22:25.11 | scorche|sh | pombreda: we are not GSoC admins - it is carols that you need |
| 22:25.29 | scorche|sh | though, i can say that historically, "second chances" rarely work out well |
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| 22:36.13 | pombreda | scorche|sh: yep, I know been there for a while, though I willing to try this one time |
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