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| 00:22.39 | stoptecheviction | for midterm evals, do we rate our mentors based on the official mentor, or based on the person we've been working with the most? |
| 00:25.02 | Izakee | I think based on the person you've been working with stoptecheviction |
| 00:25.10 | Izakee | I think based on the person you've been working with stoptecheviction: |
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| 09:56.08 | alonl | hi. I'm a mentor for a project (mediagoblin) and on melange I am not registered as such. Can anyone point me at the correct email to request help/fixing at? thanks |
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| 09:59.10 | alonl | specifically someone else is listed as a mentor instead of me, I do belong to the correct organization. |
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| 10:01.33 | olly | alonl: talk to your org admin |
| 10:02.04 | olly | they should be able to reassign mentors |
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| 12:17.28 | rushboy | Hello, I have submitted the mid-term evaluation on melange. Should I expect a mail about the confirmation of my submission ? |
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| 12:20.37 | r4chi7 | rushboy: no, no mail |
| 12:21.34 | LovelyGuyAnSh | rushboy: See in the Evaluation section. The status changes to submitted that is the confirmation.. |
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| 12:33.57 | rushboy | Thanks for the clarification. Would I know if my mentor has submitted his evaluation ? |
| 12:34.31 | r4chi7 | rushboy: no |
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| 15:01.07 | gsocbot | VaticanCameos: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
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| 15:54.30 | r4chi7 | will the students be notified of their mid term results? |
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| 15:56.10 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
| 15:59.28 | Gentlecat | r4chi7: yes, last year we received an email |
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| 16:08.28 | r4chi7 | Gentlecat: ok |
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| 16:12.37 | tlsa | hi |
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| 16:13.08 | tlsa | after submitting a mid-term evaluation, can it be edited? |
| 16:13.30 | tlsa | We have a situation where there are several mentors for one student |
| 16:14.07 | tlsa | and I want to submit an evaluation, and let the other mentors review/edit it as they get time |
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| 16:16.11 | carols | tlsa: sure |
| 16:16.18 | dhanush_ | tlsa: yes. you can edit it as many times as you wish until the deadline. |
| 16:16.19 | dhanush_ | oh. |
| 16:16.41 | tlsa | ok, cool, thanks |
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| 17:10.04 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
| 17:10.21 | downey | takes a double shot |
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| 17:18.02 | carols | hi downey |
| 17:18.13 | downey | good morning, carols ! |
| 17:18.18 | carols | good morning :-) |
| 17:19.02 | downey | carols: so proud of my mentors, all evaluations in before i had to send out any nag mails |
| 17:19.08 | carols | that’s excellent. |
| 17:19.14 | carols | can’t say the same for some other orgs... |
| 17:19.53 | downey | every time a nag mail goes out, carols sheds a tear |
| 17:19.54 | Nightrose | yeah :/ still tracking down my one missing mentor |
| 17:20.10 | carols | Nightrose: you’re forgiven :-) |
| 17:20.18 | Nightrose | hehe |
| 17:20.19 | Nightrose | thank you! |
| 17:20.27 | Nightrose | it'll be done in time but meh |
| 17:20.32 | downey | those who say "cat herding" is hard have never tried mentor herding :) |
| 17:20.44 | Nightrose | lol |
| 17:21.24 | Nightrose | downey: you should send your mentors cookies for that really |
| 17:21.35 | Nightrose | (them getting in the evaluations before nagging) |
| 17:21.38 | downey | Nightrose: bribery? :D |
| 17:21.49 | Nightrose | well i'd call it differently but... :P |
| 17:22.00 | downey | that really would put me over to the dark side |
| 17:22.12 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 17:22.19 | FlowRiser | My mentors, Sune and Aleix, are always there for me ^^ |
| 17:22.29 | downey | Sune++ Aleix++ |
| 17:22.56 | meflin | but the darkside has cookies |
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| 17:23.59 | downey | meflin: precisely :) |
| 17:24.11 | downey | meflin: most desirable cookies |
| 17:24.58 | meflin | still waiting on 2 myself .. but they have been in contact and asked for some extra time |
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| 17:29.23 | downey | data point: the process seems to take around 90 seconds |
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| 17:32.30 | carols | downey: which makes it even more amazing how many people don’t submit them |
| 17:32.53 | downey | carols: being busy is one thing, but waiting on a "miracle" is another :) |
| 17:33.09 | carols | downey: yep. |
| 17:36.18 | meflin | the only miricale that ever happens at midterm is when you student is to good and ate almost all of a large project already and you need to re-scope with more stuff |
| 17:36.35 | downey | yes there is that |
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| 17:36.48 | meflin | I've seen that just 1 time ;) |
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| 18:00.46 | Mathnerd314 | is there a more recent survey data analysis than http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/08/contact-early-contact-often.html ? |
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| 18:10.51 | downey | carols: I asked sttaylor but wanted to confirm that there is not in fact an org admin evaluation/survey to complete at midterm |
| 18:11.37 | carols | downey: correct |
| 18:12.10 | downey | carols: thanks :) |
| 18:12.31 | downey | Nightrose: Open Advice just got a shout-out at open source bridge :) |
| 18:12.43 | downey | good reading for all gsoc participants ^ |
| 18:12.56 | Nightrose | downey: ohhh nice! by whom? |
| 18:13.07 | downey | Nightrose: Eric Steele from Plone |
| 18:13.22 | Nightrose | i don't know him which makes this pretty awesome :D |
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| 18:41.47 | panzone | we can submit our evaluation until... ? |
| 18:42.10 | VarunAgw | !timeline |
| 18:42.10 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 18:42.16 | mavihs | panzone: 27 June 19:00 UTC |
| 18:42.27 | panzone | thanks |
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| 19:08.22 | rahulrrixe | carols : I have sent you the mail |
| 19:08.28 | carols | rahulrrixe: okay |
| 19:08.42 | rahulrrixe | carols : Thanks |
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| 19:19.46 | ishitva_ | carols: How do we get to know whether we have passed the mid term evaulation or not ? |
| 19:19.56 | carols | ishitva_: you’ll receive an email. |
| 19:20.04 | ishitva_ | Okay |
| 19:20.06 | carols | how do you find out most things online these days? :-) |
| 19:20.13 | ishitva_ | google :P |
| 19:20.33 | carols | cool |
| 19:20.51 | ishitva_ | Till when will we get the email ? |
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| 19:24.14 | meflin | !next |
| 19:24.15 | gsocbot | meflin: "next" is Midterm evaluations for GSoC 2014 begin 23 June at 19:00 UTC |
| 19:24.31 | meflin | boo :) at the end of midterms the emails go out automaticly |
| 19:25.22 | meflin | it is on the timeline ... soon |
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| 20:01.55 | holliake | Hi everyone ! can any1 tell me whether reminders to fill out the midterm evaluations have been sent to the mentors as well ? |
| 20:02.06 | carols | holliake: yes, they have. |
| 20:02.09 | carols | if they needed a reminder. |
| 20:02.19 | carols | no one receives a reminder who’s already filled in an evaluation. |
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| 20:02.42 | holliake | i haven't talked to my mentor on this subject yet. |
| 20:02.55 | carols | okay. |
| 20:03.19 | gun_ | Hi, How can I know if my mentor submitted the mid term review? |
| 20:03.39 | braverock | ask them, or your org admin |
| 20:03.50 | holliake | will the students receive an email stating they have passed or failed the mid term evals ? |
| 20:04.03 | Ivanovic | they will after the evals are over |
| 20:04.10 | Ivanovic | so relax and sit back! |
| 20:04.10 | carols | gun_: just ask him/her |
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| 20:04.33 | holliake | when should one expect the evals to be over ? |
| 20:04.44 | carols | holliake: at the deadline |
| 20:04.51 | Ivanovic | !timeline | holliake |
| 20:04.52 | gsocbot | holliake: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 20:05.06 | Ivanovic | gsoc does not feature deadline extensions! |
| 20:05.10 | holliake | that is 27th june, 19:00 UTC. Am I correct ? |
| 20:05.12 | Ivanovic | no exemptions to this! |
| 20:05.19 | carols | holliake: whatever it lists on the timeline. |
| 20:05.21 | meflin | carols: as an FYI I am off to #melange with an issue of a eval isn't being taken |
| 20:05.34 | carols | meflin: cool |
| 20:05.37 | carols | let me know how it goes |
| 20:06.21 | holliake | so carols, the students should receive the result of their mid term evaluations by 28th June, I guess ? |
| 20:06.36 | carols | results? |
| 20:06.39 | carols | you mean the emails? |
| 20:06.42 | holliake | yes |
| 20:06.48 | carols | the emails are sent one minute after the window closes. |
| 20:07.03 | Ivanovic | we are in the age of technology |
| 20:07.04 | holliake | oh, okay. Thanks :-) |
| 20:07.11 | Ivanovic | there is no extra manual evaluation of the results |
| 20:07.24 | carols | Ivanovic: i don’t even know what that would look like... |
| 20:07.28 | Ivanovic | if the mentors say "pass" it is a pass, if they say "failed", the student failed |
| 20:07.37 | Ivanovic | carols: neither do I |
| 20:07.46 | Ivanovic | but sometimes people expect manual processes |
| 20:08.03 | Ivanovic | including reviews of the evaluations by a 3rd party and stuff like this |
| 20:08.19 | carols | i want as little manual process as possible. |
| 20:08.26 | Ivanovic | understandable |
| 20:08.33 | Ivanovic | and it does not make sense |
| 20:08.36 | carols | i already have to email people directly to tell them to submit their evaluations since they don’t pay any attention to the deadlines as it is |
| 20:08.42 | Ivanovic | since nobody from google had direct contact with the students |
| 20:09.11 | Ivanovic | carols: btw the reminder mail for one of the mentors in our group was sent about 1h after i sent one reminder as org admin |
| 20:09.13 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:09.21 | carols | Ivanovic: :-) |
| 20:09.47 | Ivanovic | and the other mentor i contacted 2h before via irc |
| 20:10.28 | Ivanovic | what i personally can't understand if students "forget" to fill out their survey |
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| 20:10.45 | Ivanovic | would be interesting to see a matching between "student did not fill out survey" and "mentor org failed student" |
| 20:12.06 | Ivanovic | my guess is that >90% of the students who do not submit their survey fall into the group of "mentor org failed student" |
| 20:13.00 | carols | Ivanovic: oh, we definitely get a few students each year who get passed by their mentors and don’t submit their own evaluation |
| 20:13.07 | carols | and usually the org asks me to pass them anyway |
| 20:13.30 | carols | which suprirses me…they miss a major program deadline and you still think they should be in the program? |
| 20:15.38 | gevaerts | carols: they're all coders. That means the only raison d'être of deadlines is to be missed :) |
| 20:17.26 | carols | gevaerts: yeah, but being a coder doesn’t excuse you from responsbility in life |
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| 20:18.32 | gevaerts | carols: of course it doesn't, but it's probably fairly easy to forgive people things one is prone to oneself |
| 20:18.51 | carols | gevaerts: i guess. i don’t understand it myself. |
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| 20:19.33 | gevaerts | carols: that's why you're the right person to be in charge :) |
| 20:19.43 | carols | haha :-) |
| 20:19.47 | carols | thanks gevaerts :-) |
| 20:20.12 | downey | carols: Is there any canonical definition for the failure reason "Life got in the way"? |
| 20:20.21 | downey | (or something like that, I forgot the exact wording) |
| 20:20.35 | carols | downey: sure, medical issue, grandparent died, i took another internship |
| 20:20.54 | carols | downey: read: “it didn’t have to do with the code” |
| 20:20.59 | downey | carols: ok. :-) |
| 20:22.03 | downey | did we ever sort out if org admins were (from a policy perspective) supposed to be able to see student evaluations? if so i'll bug #melange |
| 20:22.48 | meflin | as I recall only after the eval time ends |
| 20:23.13 | downey | ah |
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| 20:23.32 | meflin | I can see mentor evals now |
| 20:24.10 | meflin | in past years I recall post eval time counseling mentors based on the feedback |
| 20:24.40 | downey | yes, it's very helpful |
| 20:25.07 | downey | I also find it interesting conversation material to discuss why a student thinks they're doing great even though a mentor thinks they are failing. |
| 20:26.34 | meflin | that I have never ran into |
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| 20:27.22 | Uli- | good $time_of_day to you all |
| 20:27.44 | meflin | most of my work has been small orgs where you can keep an eye on all the things |
| 20:28.05 | Valodim | I wonder if there are students who check "less than 10 hours a week" in the questionaire, and how many of those fail/don't fail |
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| 20:31.04 | s1991 | carols: is it possible to know, has my mentor done evaluation or not? |
| 20:31.33 | meflin | not till the end no |
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| 20:33.41 | blast007 | s1991: well, I'm sure you could ask the mentor or the admin about if the eval has been completed |
| 20:34.10 | s1991 | what I'm suppose to fill in "Give one example of a very good or very bad interaction you had with your mentor." |
| 20:34.23 | meflin | what ever you want to fill in |
| 20:37.03 | carols | s1991: did you ask him/her? |
| 20:37.41 | meflin | not sure you should ask your mentor for an example of communication |
| 20:38.00 | Valodim | "this one time, we talked about what to fill in for the example of a good interaction question. it really helped me find an answer to that question" |
| 20:38.02 | Mathnerd314 | carols: is there a more recent survey data analysis than http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/08/contact-early-contact-often.html ? (repeated from earlier) |
| 20:38.24 | carols | Mathnerd314: nope |
| 20:39.20 | Mathnerd314 | ok. it's been 5 years, maybe time to do another one? :-) |
| 20:39.50 | carols | Mathnerd314: did i just hear you suggest more work for me? |
| 20:39.53 | carols | i hope i didn't |
| 20:40.18 | Mathnerd314 | no, I was suggesting someone else do it |
| 20:40.36 | carols | Mathnerd314: “someone else” who exactly? :-) |
| 20:40.41 | carols | i am the only one running gsoc... |
| 20:41.24 | carols | Mathnerd314: or were you volunteering yourself? |
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| 20:42.55 | Mathnerd314 | hmm, let me check.... |
| 20:45.41 | meflin | carols: browser issue .... all is good |
| 20:45.46 | carols | okay |
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| 20:54.06 | Mathnerd314 | carols: maybe "Cat Allman", author of http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/06/google-summer-of-code-2014-by-numbers.html, could do the analysis? |
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| 21:01.59 | sttaylor | Mathnerd314: we are a very small team (4 of us) and unfortunately we do not currently have time to work on the survey data anytime in the near future. |
| 21:06.08 | Mathnerd314 | sttaylor: ok, but what about in the "distant future", say sometime before the next GSOC? |
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| 21:09.13 | PulkoMandy | there's GCI to run, and probably other things to do the rest of the year |
| 21:09.40 | PulkoMandy | unfortunately the opensource programs office is not where google puts most of their money and engineers |
| 21:10.04 | Mathnerd314 | but what's the point of having of a survey if you never even look at the responses? |
| 21:10.28 | meflin | Mathnerd314: are you voluntering your time to get it done? |
| 21:11.25 | Mathnerd314 | I would, except it's not clear how I could analyze the data without also leaking it to the world at large... |
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| 21:11.52 | carldani | Hi! |
| 21:11.58 | meflin | that could be a convo is you are serious with OSPO |
| 21:12.42 | carldani | Can students find out whether a mentor has already filled in the midterm eval? |
| 21:12.53 | meflin | not untill the end no |
| 21:13.01 | Mathnerd314 | carldani: yes, if you ask him/her :-) |
| 21:13.36 | carldani | (speaking with my mentor hat on, and being a bit unsure whether the review I submitted was registered successfully... unstable internet connection here) |
| 21:14.06 | carldani | I would have asked my student if he had the ability to see whether the review is done or not |
| 21:14.34 | meflin | student does not ... your view of melange will tell you ... or you could ask your admin |
| 21:14.49 | Mathnerd314 | carldani: so you can communicate with your student, but not with the internet? |
| 21:15.21 | carols | carldani: sure, just ask them |
| 21:15.43 | olly | Mathnerd314: and with us it seems |
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| 21:16.59 | carldani | Mathnerd314: communication with my student is over a irc client running in a screen on a stable server, so even if the connection from me to the server drops, the screen will stay alive and connected |
| 21:17.19 | carldani | carols: ok, will ask our admin. thanks! |
| 21:17.24 | carols | cheers |
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| 21:17.58 | Mathnerd314 | carldani: then why not use lynx on the stable server to do the form? |
| 21:18.23 | gevaerts | Mathnerd314: for a javascript-intensive web app? |
| 21:18.34 | carldani | Mathnerd314: I had assumed it would only work with graphical js-capable browsers |
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| 21:26.54 | Mathnerd314 | hmm, you appear to be correct. s/lynx/http://links.twibright.com/ then |
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| 21:27.46 | carols | Mathnerd314 carldani gevaerts: you guys want to take this to a PM? |
| 21:32.24 | carldani | carols: our admin cross-checked, the eval shows as submitted |
| 21:32.31 | carols | carldani: cool |
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| 21:33.16 | carldani | carols: It is a pleasure and a privilege to have flashrom/coreboot in GSoC again this year, thanks for that! |
| 21:33.26 | carols | cheers |
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