| 00:00.00 | olly | groundnuty: I'd suggest one proposal given you're starting late |
| 00:00.10 | olly | one is quite possibly the best strategy anyway |
| 00:00.24 | groundnuty | olly: that's what I will do, write one hell of a proposal :) |
| 00:00.24 | TCD | No way I could've gotten 2 in |
| 00:00.30 | olly | terri: we've no spam either |
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| 00:04.23 | wkoszek | I'm a project admin. Can I add a mentor to the project? |
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| 00:04.32 | wkoszek | I mean: without them requesting it. |
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| 00:05.31 | olly | wkoszek: you can invite them if they already have a profile in melange for this year |
| 00:05.53 | olly | you'll need to know their username though |
| 00:06.00 | wkoszek | olly: So I know the user anme |
| 00:06.12 | wkoszek | I type the user anme and it says: |
| 00:06.13 | olly | do to your dashboard |
| 00:06.17 | olly | ah, ok |
| 00:06.17 | wkoszek | Sorry, we could not save your data. Please fix the errors mentioned below. |
| 00:06.24 | wkoszek | Anonymous connections are not supported at this time. Please provide usernames of users with profiles only. |
| 00:06.28 | medfly | I can edit my proposal until tomorrow, right? |
| 00:06.40 | olly | medfly: until 19:00 UTC on 21st |
| 00:06.42 | wkoszek | olly: How do I fix it? |
| 00:06.46 | medfly | cool |
| 00:06.53 | olly | wkoszek: that suggests they need to create a profile for 2014 |
| 00:07.04 | medfly | whta sould "actual content of proposal" say? elaboration of abstract? |
| 00:07.20 | olly | medfly: does your org provide a template? |
| 00:07.30 | medfly | uh... I don't know? |
| 00:07.50 | medfly | I guess I could talk more to the guy who gave the idea once he shows up |
| 00:08.10 | olly | if they've set it up right it should appear automatically when you create a proposal I think, but they may have failed to |
| 00:08.22 | olly | the place to add it appeared some time after orgs were accepted |
| 00:08.31 | medfly | yeah there is a template thing, I think? I have a form to fill in |
| 00:08.47 | olly | oh, "actual content of proposal" is in their template? |
| 00:08.59 | medfly | "Content" is. |
| 00:09.16 | medfly | okay, I'll just check all this with him |
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| 00:09.42 | mudler | uh oh hi to all humans :) |
| 00:09.58 | larryxiao1 | hello! |
| 00:10.00 | mudler | it's possible to edit the proposal after the deadline? (adjusting it a little bit) |
| 00:10.07 | olly | there are various examples proposals from past years around, but orgs are not all after exactly the same things |
| 00:10.18 | larryxiao1 | yep |
| 00:10.18 | olly | mudler: no, but you can make comments |
| 00:10.30 | wkoszek | olly: Do they have to use gmail.com accounts? |
| 00:10.39 | olly | wkoszek: no |
| 00:10.50 | wkoszek | olly: OK, so I don't understand the proble, |
| 00:11.16 | olly | you need a google account to sign in, but a google account isn't exactly the same as a gmail account AIUI |
| 00:11.17 | gevaerts | You need a google account, which isn't the same at all as a gmail account |
| 00:11.18 | wkoszek | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.40 | olly | wkoszek: an account != a profile for 2014 |
| 00:11.48 | olly | it sounds like they have an account |
| 00:11.51 | olly | but not a profile |
| 00:11.55 | wkoszek | So I use "bsdimp" to add him. |
| 00:11.57 | wkoszek | Ok. |
| 00:11.57 | mudler | ok, so google will decide slots upon the proposals? or also comments will matter? defining a timeline would be a bit hard,maybe some tasks are to hard to accomplish and maybe the student could be "overloaded" |
| 00:12.11 | olly | "Please provide usernames of users *with profiles only*." |
| 00:12.29 | olly | wkoszek: bsdimp is right, but he needs to create a profile |
| 00:12.30 | gevaerts | mudler: google doesn't decide who to accept. The organisations do |
| 00:12.44 | wkoszek | So which link can I give him? |
| 00:12.55 | wkoszek | olly: I think he missed registration step. |
| 00:12.57 | mudler | gevaerts: i was talking about slots, not the proposal itself :P |
| 00:13.02 | olly | wkoszek: there will be a big orange button on front page |
| 00:13.17 | olly | !slots | mudler |
| 00:13.17 | gsocbot | mudler: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/studentallocations |
| 00:13.19 | wkoszek | olly: "Mentors and administrators" Log In ? |
| 00:13.20 | gevaerts | mudler: then I don't understand where this timeline comes in |
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| 00:13.31 | olly | wkoszek: probably |
| 00:13.36 | olly | it's weeks since I did it... |
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| 00:13.46 | mudler | thank you olly |
| 00:14.26 | mudler | gevaerts: sorry, i mean the project schedule |
| 00:14.37 | olly | mudler: google don't look at proposals |
| 00:15.04 | olly | your timeline won't influence google (except that if your proposal is poor, the org won't ask for a slot for it) |
| 00:15.33 | mudler | oh ok, thanks for the clarification |
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| 00:17.18 | medfly | man, writing this is hard, the task I'm supposed to do is simple in theory, hard in practice. not much to say about it |
| 00:20.26 | olly | medfly: you can write about things like alternative approaches to solve the problem and why your chosen one is better, the benefits your work would provide to users, etc |
| 00:20.39 | medfly | aww yiss he's online |
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| 00:35.44 | bePolite | when will the results of accepted students be out? |
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| 00:39.36 | houli | would love to use gsoc as a stepping stone into open source however a lot of the organisations seem to place a heavy emphasis on having contributed to open source before. anyone know how much this practically applies? |
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| 00:43.16 | olly | houli: that's not true for a lot of the orgs |
| 00:43.32 | olly | one purpose of gsoc is to introduce more people to open source development |
| 00:43.42 | olly | !timeline | bePolite |
| 00:43.43 | gsocbot | bePolite: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 00:44.11 | olly | houli: many may ask about previous contributions, but not having made any isn't a problem |
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| 00:47.47 | bePolite | thans olly |
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| 01:02.03 | danielinoa | Is the project proposal placed in the "Message" box? |
| 01:03.49 | umccullough | danielinoa, did you use the submit proposal feature? |
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| 01:06.36 | danielinoa | "umccullough", I don't really see it anywhere in the melange site. I just see the option to start a connection with a mentoring organization. |
| 01:06.53 | umccullough | then you've done the wrong thing |
| 01:06.56 | umccullough | !unmentor danielinoa |
| 01:07.06 | umccullough | !unmentor | danielinoa |
| 01:07.06 | gsocbot | danielinoa: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
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| 01:09.56 | danielinoa | Thank you! |
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| 02:19.34 | bePolite | do mentors get to see all the different project proposals a student has written? |
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| 02:25.45 | olly | bePolite: they'll see them if they are mentors for the orgs you send them to |
| 02:26.00 | olly | quite a few people are involved with multiple orgs |
| 02:26.38 | olly | so sending the same proposal to 5 orgs is fairly likely to be spotted, if that's what you're wondering |
| 02:26.54 | olly | they tend to be obvious anyway - they're just too generic |
| 02:27.18 | dfighter | most desirable proposal, har har |
| 02:27.33 | umccullough | my favorite so far: "Implement an idea of you" |
| 02:28.04 | bePolite | what are too generic? |
| 02:28.07 | olly | has a fondness for the offer to write us an accounting system (that was from years back) |
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| 02:28.25 | olly | e.g. what umccullough said |
| 02:28.39 | umccullough | when they don't actually have an idea, but just offer to do whatever they're told |
| 02:29.00 | olly | text that has nothing directly to do with our org, possibly with a paste from our ideas page added |
| 02:29.21 | umccullough | yeah, a paste of the timeline, but no actualy project details - that's always nice :P |
| 02:29.25 | umccullough | *actual |
| 02:29.41 | umccullough | or, a copy/paste of the student template we provide |
| 02:29.50 | emusan | what percentage of the proposals are that kind vs. ones that have a lot of effort put in? |
| 02:30.00 | emusan | Or does it vary a lot depending on the oraganization/project? |
| 02:30.00 | umccullough | this year, not too many |
| 02:30.03 | olly | emusan: it varies by org and by year |
| 02:30.10 | emusan | ah |
| 02:30.20 | olly | i've seen none like that this year, but previously perhaps 25% |
| 02:30.23 | umccullough | i hear last year was terrible :) |
| 02:30.44 | olly | i was only mentoring last year, and for a different org, so I can't really compare last year |
| 02:31.19 | olly | i suspect orgs near the top of the list might suffer more |
| 02:31.22 | umccullough | we didn't participate last year, so i have no reference beside what i hear |
| 02:31.33 | olly | or whose tags match popular buzzwords |
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| 02:38.10 | rusnic | Hi all! can any one tell me the official channel for Melange? Thanks in advance. |
| 02:39.05 | olly | rusnic: #melange - we may be able to help with some issues though |
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| 02:49.58 | rusnic | ally: Hi! i am gsoc 14 applicant. and i am looking to connect with melange to get and heads up feedback on my proposal. This is my proposal. http://www.russel.in/gsoc-melange-responsive-ui-redesign/ |
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| 03:27.08 | emusan | If we get the proposal in on time, but then make some commits to the project after that, is it possible that those commits will be considered when reviewing the proposal? |
| 03:27.21 | emusan | or is it just any work done up until the proposal deadline that gets considered |
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| 03:28.09 | emusan | I know a lot of projects seem to be very interested in students contributing at least something before the summer starts |
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| 03:41.06 | umccullough | emusan, orgs have until april 18 to decide which student projects to accept |
| 03:41.37 | umccullough | please review the timeline in detail |
| 03:41.39 | emusan | ah, but are there any rules against them basing their decision on that? |
| 03:41.50 | umccullough | there are not hard rules |
| 03:41.58 | emusan | okay, that's all I was wondering |
| 03:42.01 | umccullough | each org can decide however they choose |
| 03:44.54 | olly | emusan: it'll depend on the org, but in general they'll probably be happy to take it into account, but the later on it gets, the more likely decisions have been made |
| 03:45.07 | emusan | mhmm, I was just curious |
| 03:45.35 | emusan | The org I'm applying to mentioned that they would like to see you make some changes to code and submit a pull request, to ensure that you know what you're doing |
| 03:45.54 | emusan | but unfortunately I just found out about this yesterday, and with my coursework I don't really have time to get any code in before friday :( |
| 03:45.57 | olly | emusan: you can just ask them when you should try to do that by |
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| 03:46.17 | emusan | yup, I will, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't specifically against the rules first |
| 03:46.24 | olly | so long as you're polite about it, you can just ask questions |
| 03:46.38 | olly | it definitely isn't |
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| 04:34.27 | marti1125 | help!! where I send my proposal |
| 04:34.33 | marti1125 | I don't see a form :S |
| 04:35.11 | brlcad | send it to larry, he'll take care of it |
| 04:35.33 | olly | marti1125: have you sent your proof of enrollment? |
| 04:36.04 | marti1125 | ummmm |
| 04:36.07 | marti1125 | where is it =? |
| 04:36.18 | olly | !proof | marti1125 |
| 04:36.18 | gsocbot | marti1125: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 04:36.37 | olly | it's only linked to about 6 times from the FAQ |
| 04:37.07 | brlcad | !faq | marti1125 |
| 04:37.07 | gsocbot | marti1125: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 04:37.35 | brlcad | you are indeed expected to read that in full ;) |
| 04:37.55 | olly | or at least not complain at surprised resulting from not reading it in full |
| 04:38.01 | olly | *surprises |
| 04:38.59 | marti1125 | in my profile I don't see upload file ?? |
| 04:40.02 | olly | !unmentor | marti1125 |
| 04:40.03 | gsocbot | marti1125: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 04:40.26 | marti1125 | ok, thanks |
| 04:40.30 | olly | collect all the factoids and win a prize |
| 04:40.37 | umccullough | damn, i missed my chance |
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| 04:40.48 | olly | !chance | umccullough |
| 04:40.49 | gsocbot | umccullough: "chance" is p, where p + q = 1 and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 04:41.16 | umccullough | stop, i'm drunk |
| 04:41.31 | umccullough | !dunk |
| 04:41.34 | umccullough | !drunk |
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| 04:41.37 | umccullough | bah |
| 04:41.42 | emusan | !drunk | umccullough |
| 04:41.44 | emusan | aww |
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| 04:42.00 | umccullough | goes to find another beer |
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| 04:57.37 | CharlesHsia | hello everyone, can i continue edit my proposal after student applications deadline? |
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| 05:06.19 | olly | CharlesHsia: no, it wouldn't be much of a deadline if you could |
| 05:06.23 | olly | you can still comment |
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| 05:10.26 | _mj | When i click the submit button on the gsoc form page , i am not directed to any othe page but on the top of the form page without any errors.Is it normal or should i be directed to some other page ? |
| 05:11.42 | umccullough | it's normal |
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| 05:11.59 | _mj | thanks! |
| 05:12.01 | umccullough | if you're unsure, you can open it in another browser window to confirm it was saved |
| 05:12.16 | CharlesHsia | thanks |
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| 05:23.52 | ujjwal92 | Hello all |
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| 05:26.47 | casy | Hi |
| 05:27.14 | casy | If i get selected by two orgs in which i applied, am i asked to choose the org ? |
| 05:27.54 | olly | !multiaccept | casy |
| 05:27.55 | gsocbot | casy: "multiaccept" is If multiple organizations want to accept you, they will decide which proposal is accepted. Sometimes, but not always, they will ask your preference. |
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| 05:29.35 | casy | gsocbot: if i have preference for one one org, can i communicate to gsoc team ? |
| 05:30.00 | casy | olly: ^ |
| 05:30.03 | olly | casy: the gsoc team only intervene if the orgs can't agree |
| 05:30.15 | olly | you can tell the org you prefer if you want |
| 05:30.21 | olly | but they don't have to honour it |
| 05:30.31 | olly | it's assumed you only apply for projects you want to do |
| 05:30.47 | k_c | olly : how do i know whether my proof of enrollment is accepted or not ? |
| 05:31.07 | olly | k_c: you'll be told only if there's a problem |
| 05:31.21 | thiago | casy: be prepared to do any of the proposals you submit |
| 05:31.22 | olly | k_c: right now, worry about improving your proposal |
| 05:31.52 | thiago | it might happen that one of the orgs say "we really want this project, we have no other fallbacks", so you'll go with them and no one will ask your opinion |
| 05:32.45 | olly | you could even be their only good proposal |
| 05:32.59 | casy | ya true |
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| 05:33.33 | _mj | is it advisable to give a good mockup of your topic in the proposal ? |
| 05:33.57 | _mj | or bare introduction is enough ? |
| 05:34.56 | casy | _mj: its preferable to give as much details as possible, except if the org has limit on no of pages |
| 05:36.19 | _mj | thanks... |
| 05:37.11 | casy | casy, thiago thanks |
| 05:37.24 | casy | olly ^ |
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| 07:10.37 | numes | hi |
| 07:10.42 | numes | " In addition to a proposal, students will be required to sign a Student Participation Agreement and submit their Proof of Enrollment forms." |
| 07:11.00 | numes | what does signing a student participation agreement means? |
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| 07:12.04 | numes | in practice, do I have to do something in the melange system? |
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| 07:19.39 | Niharika | numes: For now you have to give the proof of enrollment and proposal. Participation agreement will come later, I guess. |
| 07:20.04 | shinigamiryuk | what is Participation Agreement??? |
| 07:20.15 | numes | Niharika: OK, thanks |
| 07:20.56 | numes | shinigamiryuk: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/org_admin_agreement |
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| 08:00.57 | harshit93 | !logs |
| 08:00.57 | gsocbot | harshit93: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 08:20.35 | kblin | morning folks |
| 08:21.47 | kblin | pro tip: "As I don't know the programming language your test framework uses, I'll create new tests using another language" doesn't make a particularly convincing application |
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| 08:22.38 | olly | kblin: there are whole projects whose existence is due to a developer not knowing the language an existing project is in |
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| 08:25.24 | PulkoMandy | we had "all your ideas look so cool, I can't decide on a single one" submitted in a proposal yesterday |
| 08:25.34 | PulkoMandy | unfortunately, we need a detailed action plan |
| 08:26.11 | olly | "coding week 1: decide which idea i like best" |
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| 08:27.48 | kblin | PulkoMandy: aka "please tell me what project has the best chance of getting accepted" I guess |
| 08:28.15 | PulkoMandy | probably |
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| 08:29.04 | avaneesh | I guess there is no such thing as 'easy project'. It depends on your skill in required technologies or languages. |
| 08:29.52 | PulkoMandy | we classify some of our ideas as "big" |
| 08:29.58 | avaneesh | But I can tell you, stuff in CERN Projects is slightly complicated than, say, GNOME or KDE projects. |
| 08:30.40 | PulkoMandy | not necessarily - big algorithm and dataset processing could be easier than building a (good) user interface |
| 08:30.51 | PulkoMandy | and event-driven programming that goes with UI |
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| 08:31.06 | avaneesh | Yea. |
| 08:31.15 | ashmew2 | FWIW, I feel skill as well as interest matters a lot. |
| 08:31.58 | PulkoMandy | well, we allow students to cut down our project ideas and only plan to implement a subset of them |
| 08:32.41 | ashmew2 | Since most people haven't used the concerned program, they don't have any idea (even a user perspective) about it , so they are bound to be unclear on what's big and what's small and what's needed the most. |
| 08:33.10 | PulkoMandy | yes, but they can ask the mentors for help |
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| 08:33.25 | PulkoMandy | (unless they wait for the last two days, then it becomes difficult to do) |
| 08:33.54 | PulkoMandy | we had students using the last two weeks very well for this, coming from "I know nothing about it, but it looks interesting" to quite good proposals |
| 08:33.57 | ashmew2 | PulkoMandy, yea. But some of the students I know feel "What would they feel if I ask them stupid doubts?" |
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| 08:34.32 | ashmew2 | so they end up not asking at all and trying their level best. But then it comes down to "Asking and maybe getting accepted" or "Not asking and not even being able to write a proposal". |
| 08:34.35 | PulkoMandy | yes, that's the one thing they need to avoid - we're fine with students asking questions, admitting they don't know how to do something, and getting help from the mentors |
| 08:34.44 | PulkoMandy | both in the application period and during the program |
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| 08:35.01 | PulkoMandy | communication is the key |
| 08:35.03 | ashmew2 | Yes exactly. That's the role of the mentoring organization right. I wish they understood more of that. |
| 08:35.52 | PulkoMandy | well, if the students don't even try to make contact, it's hard for the mentoring org to do anything |
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| 08:36.28 | PulkoMandy | next year I think we'll try to have much more detailed ideas, to help student get started on something |
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| 08:37.44 | olly | if it's too detailed, there's less scope to see that they've thought about it |
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| 08:40.53 | sidthekid | mentors' trash talk about students is really funny :D |
| 08:41.38 | olly | i wouldn't say it's trash talking |
| 08:41.39 | kblin | trash talk? |
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| 08:43.08 | kblin | how is "if you wait for the last two days and then decide you need extensive feedback for your application" trash talk? |
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| 08:43.50 | ashmew2 | PulkoMandy, which org do you represent? |
| 08:43.57 | PulkoMandy | Haiku |
| 08:43.58 | kblin | "students are all idiots and can't write a proposal worth the bits to store it" <-- that'd be trash talk ;) |
| 08:44.06 | kblin | and we'd never say that, of course |
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| 08:45.50 | medfly | why would there be trash talk |
| 08:46.08 | medfly | my approach to finding a gsoc project is to go to the mentordudes and be like "you guys like any projects?" and then put it on |
| 08:46.17 | PulkoMandy | olly: being an operating system project, I think a lot of students frightened away when they met the "kernel" heading in our ideas page or something |
| 08:46.43 | PulkoMandy | I don't think the ideas that involve kernel-side code are more difficult, but it's probably something students are less familiar with |
| 08:47.10 | PulkoMandy | so, at least some pointers to the relevant code could make them think "Ok, I can understand this, it's fairly classical C++ after all" |
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| 08:47.20 | medfly | weird, of the few courses I had to take in university, there were a few about operating system and lower level stuff |
| 08:47.35 | medfly | everything else, on the other hand, would be alien :) |
| 08:47.44 | ashmew2 | PulkoMandy, you could probably have a Skill Level : Easy/Medium/Hard/Insane/You-dont-wanna-do-this :) |
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| 08:47.54 | ashmew2 | for each listed idea. |
| 08:48.37 | PulkoMandy | ashmew2: as I said, I don't think that's the problem - they are not really easier or harder than other ideas, and sticking "medium" on everything doesn't really help |
| 08:48.45 | ashmew2 | PulkoMandy, true. |
| 08:49.12 | PulkoMandy | we have some ideas tagged "big", which we allow the students to split apart and work on only one part of the problem |
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| 08:53.28 | sidthekid | olly, kblin, just kidding :) maybe you should make a '10 funniest GSOC proposals' meme or something :) |
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| 08:56.35 | PulkoMandy | if only there were only 10 :/ |
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| 08:57.09 | olly | i think i'd rather focus on the good ones |
| 08:57.17 | olly | though perhaps it would be a good lesson in what doesn't work |
| 08:57.35 | olly | it's looking a lot better so far this year though |
| 08:59.00 | PulkoMandy | yes |
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| 09:02.45 | avaneesh | one of my friends was talking about some 'best projects' thing, at the end of GSoC. Is there any such thing ? |
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| 09:03.48 | olly | who could pick there? there are ~1200 projects and nearly 200 orgs |
| 09:04.05 | medfly | PulkoMandy: how does one go about getting community approval to alter a large project? |
| 09:04.09 | medfly | since mine is like that too |
| 09:05.46 | PulkoMandy | well, in our case you don't need to ask anything, we have stated this on the ideas page - we don't expect students to copypaste the idea into their proposal, but build their own proposal that may be more or less close to one of the ideas |
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| 09:06.02 | PulkoMandy | (or something completely different - which I succesfully did as a student in 2009) |
| 09:06.58 | medfly | I don't even know how one goes about adding features to something that is updated so frequently |
| 09:07.12 | medfly | obviously as soon as I get anything to work there'll be a new version |
| 09:07.18 | medfly | hopefully not too different :) |
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| 09:12.41 | olly | medfly: when you're at stable point, you can merge the main development branch to yours |
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| 09:13.01 | olly | generally that's less painful if you do it fairly often than after 3 months |
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| 09:13.53 | olly | also, some projects can be split into a series of parts which can each be completed and merged to the main development branch in turn |
| 09:14.04 | olly | so the changes you haven't merged stay smaller |
| 09:14.09 | kblin | avaneesh: they probably confused that with the GCI, where there's "grand prize winners" |
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| 09:15.09 | olly | oh, there is a thing where the org can mark projects to be shown in the random rotation on the front page |
| 09:15.17 | olly | or at least there was a few years ago |
| 09:15.22 | kblin | medfly: or said the other way around, in 2005 I made the mistake of submitting all my GSoC changes in a gigantic patch |
| 09:15.34 | kblin | no fun whatsoever to take that apart again |
| 09:15.43 | kblin | on top of CVS, as well |
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| 09:17.23 | PulkoMandy | so, at Haiku we ask students to submit patches that the mentors review before applying, and now that we use git, it's not so much of a problem to keep your patches up to date |
| 09:17.46 | PulkoMandy | moreover, our project has a small enough developer team (about 20 active devs), so actually there are few chances some changes conflicts with yours |
| 09:18.32 | PulkoMandy | if the work has too much inpact, you will have to work in a branch, in that case just plan a 1 or 2 week period around the pencil down date to merge everything, if ready |
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| 10:55.43 | apsdehal | Is it upon the mentoring organization to select who can mentor? |
| 10:56.43 | olly | apsdehal: who else could? |
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| 10:58.09 | apsdehal | I thought anybody can apply to mentor, so there must be specific conditions to mentor successfully. |
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| 10:58.36 | olly | orgs will only accept people they know |
| 10:58.42 | olly | existing members of the community |
| 10:59.29 | olly | someone we've never heard of is unlikely to know the code or how the org works |
| 10:59.56 | srichakradhar_ | what is the span of GSoC? |
| 11:00.11 | srichakradhar_ | dates... |
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| 11:00.47 | srichakradhar_ | !timeline |
| 11:00.48 | gsocbot | srichakradhar_: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 11:08.29 | polychron | Is it possible to upload the proposal as a .pdf file? |
| 11:09.58 | olly | polychron: no, but you can paste HTML source |
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| 11:11.10 | LordAro | I'm having issues sharing my proposal with anyone else, despite me setting it to be "Public" |
| 11:11.15 | LordAro | is this a known bug or something? |
| 11:11.26 | polychron | olly: I already made a pdf file using LATEX, mainly because it has quite a lot of images. Using the text editor in the page is quite uncomfortable. |
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| 11:11.58 | olly | polychron: yes, it's terrible |
| 11:12.17 | olly | you can at least switch it to source mode and paste HTML in |
| 11:12.33 | olly | it may mangle it a little, but the orgs realise that's not your fault |
| 11:13.25 | polychron | olly: I am sorry, I didnt quite understand. |
| 11:15.30 | olly | there's a button on the tinymce control to switch to show html source |
| 11:15.36 | olly | you can then just paste in HTML source |
| 11:15.55 | olly | though it does alter it a bit |
| 11:17.35 | polychron | olly: ohhh..... I see. But how about the images. I mean how do I give the "src". They reside here in my system, should I need to upload them onto an online resource so that melange can find it. |
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| 11:20.49 | kansi | polychron, or else you can include a like to ur pdf in the content section where ur supposed to write ur proposal ... |
| 11:21.00 | kansi | *link |
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| 11:21.32 | olly | polychron: people just stick them on a site like imgur usually |
| 11:21.56 | olly | kansi: personally i hate that |
| 11:22.08 | kansi | why is that |
| 11:22.15 | olly | i don't want to have to download a PDF each time you update your proposal |
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| 11:23.14 | kansi | but after the deadline u wont update the proposal ... so when ur done with ur pdf u can host it somewhere and just add the link |
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| 11:23.28 | olly | why should i have to host their pdf? |
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| 11:23.46 | kansi | its ur pdf :) |
| 11:24.02 | olly | !ur | kansi |
| 11:24.02 | gsocbot | kansi: "ur" is Ur was an ancient city located near the modern village of Tell el-Muqayyar |
| 11:24.24 | olly | but it isn't my pdf |
| 11:24.32 | olly | i'm the one reviewing it |
| 11:24.50 | kansi | ohhh ... :) |
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| 11:25.02 | kansi | them its not |
| 11:25.07 | kansi | *then |
| 11:25.11 | polychron | I will try converting my LATEX into HTML.(fingers crossed) If it doesnt work I think I will go with pasting the url of my proposal on Google Drive. |
| 11:25.39 | olly | it's also an issue that an external prposal isn't frozen at the deadline like one submitted properly is |
| 11:25.57 | olly | which is unfair on the students who put theirs in melange |
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| 11:26.21 | olly | and means mentors can end up reviewing different versions to each other |
| 11:27.45 | polychron | olly has a point, you should bring it to Google's notice. |
| 11:28.32 | olly | ? |
| 11:28.52 | olly | who should bring what to their notice? |
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| 11:43.22 | panzone_ | uh, the gsboot is more incredible than i thought |
| 11:43.42 | panzone_ | *gsocbot |
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| 11:46.28 | downey | olly: it is if you require something with time stamps :) |
| 11:47.25 | olly | downey: what is what? |
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| 11:47.59 | downey | olly: I'm responding to your comments from 20 min ago |
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| 11:49.07 | olly | i guessed so, but I'm unclear what you're trying to say |
| 11:49.48 | olly | what does requiring something with time stamps achieve? |
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| 11:51.45 | downey | A proposal is frozen if you require something with time stamps. |
| 11:51.59 | downey | Google Drive doc, wiki page, etc. |
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| 11:55.08 | olly | downey: if they can't be forged and people bother to check |
| 11:55.29 | olly | it's not actually frozen, it's just changes can be detected |
| 11:55.43 | olly | but in the google drive case at least, you can't see what it used to be |
| 11:55.56 | downey | And you can view the last version submitted before the deadline. :-) |
| 11:56.11 | downey | olly: actually you can |
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| 11:56.49 | olly | that's kind of scary |
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| 11:57.43 | downey | Why so? |
| 11:57.52 | downey | No different than a wiki page |
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| 12:01.01 | panzone_ | using melange like everybody ? with melange is very simple to avoid that a student cheats. |
| 12:01.46 | panzone_ | even with timestamp. timestamp should be checked. melange doesn' t have this problem |
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| 13:45.49 | ralpha | Hello, I have a question. Did any student from Belgium participate? Does anyone know about the regulations in Belgium with respect to student work in Belgium and participation with gcos? |
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| 13:46.35 | darnir | ralpha: Legal and/or tax matters are usually a taboo to discuss here. |
| 13:47.07 | sumanah | ralpha: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/08/google-summer-of-code-full-of-stats.html |
| 13:47.25 | sumanah | ralpha: so, in 2013, 9 participants came from Belgium. |
| 13:48.10 | sumanah | ralpha: you might want to follow the directions in https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#9._What_if_I_have_a_question_not |
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| 13:48.57 | panzone_ | 20 people from italy ? |
| 13:49.24 | ralpha | sumanah: ty for the links. |
| 13:50.21 | panzone_ | i haven' t encounter any italian so far |
| 13:50.38 | sumanah | panzone_: Have you sought them out? |
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| 13:51.36 | darnir | In India you have a separate mailing list which all students and sometimes mentors subscribe to. Indian participants in GSoC. |
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| 13:51.56 | sumanah | darnir: is it useful? |
| 13:51.57 | panzone_ | not really, but sometimes i asked in org channels and here just for curiosity |
| 13:52.08 | darnir | sumanah: Sometimes Yes. |
| 13:52.15 | sumanah | darnir: Do people get technical help, and maybe cheer each other up? |
| 13:52.22 | darnir | We used it to organize a GSoC meetup during PyCon. |
| 13:52.25 | darnir | :D |
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| 13:52.55 | sumanah | Oh nice! |
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| 13:53.29 | darnir | And also for specific things like how to use the card to withdraw money in the most efficient manner. Nice ATMs have a relatively low limit on per-transaction withdrawals. |
| 13:54.09 | darnir | Since* |
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| 13:54.55 | darnir | Although, I'm usually not sure which mailing list is being used. So I can't say if the India-specific list has been of much help. They all look the same to me. |
| 13:54.59 | panzone_ | uh, this seems useful |
| 13:55.46 | kblin | ha! converted one of my coworkers to vim by forgetting to install emacs on some machines :) |
| 13:56.16 | darnir | kblin: Nice job! :) |
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| 13:56.35 | darnir | There's an active movement in the other direction against me. |
| 13:56.51 | kblin | was on a post-it and that fell off my whiteboard |
| 13:56.53 | darnir | My thesis advisor is trying to convert me to emacs. |
| 13:57.02 | novochen2 | (I use both emacs and vim. So no convertion for me. :P) |
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| 13:57.22 | mwilkes|work | kblin: Of course, on the system I administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!! |
| 13:58.09 | darnir | runs and hides from mwilkes|work |
| 13:58.10 | mwilkes|work | http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html |
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| 13:59.32 | PulkoMandy | my school advertised use of nedit :( |
| 14:00.02 | panzone_ | my school use gedit, what we win ? |
| 14:00.16 | mwilkes|work | panzone_, A copy of ed |
| 14:00.32 | panzone_ | I also wrote a single source file for my thesis using gedit |
| 14:00.37 | mwilkes|work | It *is* the standard text editor, after all |
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| 14:03.48 | kblin | mwilkes|work: not on my system |
| 14:03.51 | panzone_ | sorry mwilkes|work, vim user |
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| 14:04.32 | panzone_ | ( i hope darnir don' t read it since he is a mentor for the org i want to apply ) |
| 14:04.51 | darnir | So? I myself use ViM. |
| 14:05.09 | panzone_ | uh, i remember you said to be a emacs user |
| 14:05.16 | medfly | hi #gsoc. how do I remove a proposal? |
| 14:05.20 | darnir | Nah. that's jemarch. The org admin. |
| 14:05.26 | sumanah | medfly: I think #melange can help you |
| 14:05.31 | darnir | medfly: You can withdraw your proposal on melange |
| 14:06.02 | kblin | not sure if that still counts towards the 5 proposals you get, though |
| 14:06.36 | medfly | no, I want to withdraw completely. something showed up which will take a lot of my time. |
| 14:06.52 | medfly | it would be cool if I didn't waste anyone's time any more :P |
| 14:07.19 | sumanah | medfly: I hope it is a good opportunity that is going to take up your time |
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| 14:07.40 | gchatzipapas | hello |
| 14:07.48 | sumanah | hi gchatzipapas |
| 14:08.16 | gchatzipapas | :) i want to ask something about the application form |
| 14:08.27 | sumanah | go ahead and ask :-) |
| 14:08.31 | sumanah | we may direct you to #melange |
| 14:08.39 | sumanah | if they can answer your question better than we can |
| 14:08.39 | medfly | sumanah: :) it's something pretty cool, but I would have done it anyway. |
| 14:08.52 | sumanah | medfly: can you tell us? |
| 14:08.55 | sumanah | or is it secret? |
| 14:08.59 | medfly | it's not secret, no |
| 14:09.15 | gchatzipapas | ok where can i fill out my application for this years gsoc |
| 14:09.18 | darnir | Good for you medfly :) We hope you have an enjoyable summer. And Open Source will miss another developer. |
| 14:09.29 | sumanah | gchatzipapas: https://www.google-melange.com/ |
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| 14:10.14 | sumanah | gchatzipapas: do you see a "submit proposal" button there? or on https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 ? |
| 14:10.35 | gchatzipapas | i have already fill out this but how can i contact companies or organisations for available projects?? |
| 14:10.36 | sumanah | you will need to log into Melange, create a profile, and submit your proof of student enrollment before you will see that button, gchatzipapas |
| 14:10.39 | sumanah | !proof | gchatzipapas |
| 14:10.40 | gsocbot | gchatzipapas: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:10.54 | medfly | gchatzipapas: a lot of those have websites with a list of projects |
| 14:10.58 | sumanah | gchatzipapas: You go to https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 and you click on an org you are interested in |
| 14:11.05 | sumanah | gchatzipapas: and you'll see a page with instructions |
| 14:11.10 | gchatzipapas | ok thank you very much |
| 14:11.17 | gchatzipapas | for your help |
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| 14:11.26 | medfly | I haven't found where to withdraw the proposal, though. |
| 14:11.27 | sumanah | gchatzipapas: Did you already read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch005_choosing-an-organization/ ? |
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| 14:12.20 | gchatzipapas | yes |
| 14:12.37 | medfly | :-( |
| 14:12.52 | panzone_ | it is on the left side of your proposal |
| 14:12.56 | medfly | In the end I'll go through with GSOC *and* the thing that is going to take up a lot of my time now! :-) |
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| 14:13.37 | medfly | woo hoo |
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| 14:13.48 | medfly | now to talk my friend into taking up the project instead ;) |
| 14:13.52 | gchatzipapas | thanks for your info ;) |
| 14:13.52 | gchatzipapas | see you |
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| 14:26.13 | dberkholz | looks like this is gonna be a pretty small year for us. |
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| 14:27.21 | kblin | dberkholz: oh, for you as well? |
| 14:27.42 | dberkholz | yup |
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| 14:31.20 | panzone_ | i' m the only one who have too much competition for the projects i want to apply xD ? |
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| 14:31.35 | kblin | dberkholz: I've also compared the pre-last-minute-rush application numbers with the last few years and been a bit underwhelmed |
| 14:31.46 | dberkholz | yeah, i was just trying to dig those numbers up myself |
| 14:32.25 | dberkholz | even if we double our proposal count in the next 28 hours, it's still gonna be a small year |
| 14:32.28 | kblin | dberkholz: if you're on the proposals page for this year, you can get the previous years by just changing the year in the URL |
| 14:32.39 | PulkoMandy | seems to be a quiet year for us as well - however, we're getting decent last-minute applications today, which is unusual |
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| 14:33.43 | kblin | it'll be interesting to see if people all applied to a few big orgs this year, or if we're seeing less applications overall |
| 14:33.57 | kblin | "we" as in gsoc |
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| 14:35.01 | dberkholz | i think the requirement for student verification before they could apply has lowered apps a fair bit |
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| 14:37.08 | kblin | but that would imply that in the last years we would have had more uneligible proposals |
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| 14:37.40 | kblin | and I can't remember ever seeing something like google saying "you can't have X because they're not a student" |
| 14:37.50 | dberkholz | not necessarily |
| 14:38.16 | kblin | unless you assume that the burden of having to prove student status deterred people already |
| 14:38.20 | dberkholz | it could imply that in past years, more students applied because it's easier to apply |
| 14:38.37 | kblin | yeah, possibly |
| 14:38.49 | panzone_ | dberkholz: what is your org ? |
| 14:38.51 | PulkoMandy | I can see it limiting the last-day rush by stopping the students at that point |
| 14:39.06 | darnir | This does limit last day rush |
| 14:39.19 | kblin | I have seen less spammy proposals, so I guess that's an additional benefit as well |
| 14:39.28 | darnir | Also, the shifting timeline seems to have caused a few problems. I don't know how many it solved. |
| 14:39.38 | kblin | or rather, all spammy proposals came in as mentor connections |
| 14:39.46 | dberkholz | so last year we got 30% of our apps in the last 24 hours, and 26% in the 24 hours prior. in 2012, we had 39% in the last day, and 14% in the day prior |
| 14:40.12 | dberkholz | seems like the rule, at least for us, is that roughly 55% apply in the last 2 days |
| 14:40.43 | PulkoMandy | yes, the earlier timeline may have prevented some european students from participating |
| 14:41.25 | dberkholz | panzone_: gentoo |
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| 14:42.27 | panzone_ | PulkoMandy: why ? i' m european and it doesn' t seem a problem this timeline |
| 14:42.46 | dberkholz | in 2011, it was 31% on the last day, and 15% the day before |
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| 14:42.55 | PulkoMandy | panzone_: here in France the courses can run as late as mid-june |
| 14:43.08 | PulkoMandy | this means when french students are done with school, it's already past midterm |
| 14:43.35 | PulkoMandy | maybe other european countries are a bit different |
| 14:44.07 | panzone_ | so in italy officially, but many courses end in the first/second week of may |
| 14:44.50 | kblin | I think in germany, the summer semester ends in late july |
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| 14:45.43 | kblin | ok, lectures end mid-july |
| 14:46.23 | PulkoMandy | on the other end, the current schedule would be a good fit for using GSoC as an internship in France - if you convince the school to allow it |
| 14:47.36 | Slurpee | Is it wrong to tell a student it is too late to start an application and finding mentors? |
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| 14:48.31 | kblin | well, technically they still may apply |
| 14:48.38 | neuro_sys | PulkoMandy: are you the Amstrad CPC guy, or is it a nickname similarity? |
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| 14:48.49 | PulkoMandy | yes! |
| 14:48.58 | PulkoMandy | and I'm fairly sure this is an unique nickname |
| 14:49.00 | neuro_sys | haha cool |
| 14:49.06 | neuro_sys | yes I thought so |
| 14:49.15 | pchaigno | PulkoMandy: I'm in France and my courses finish in May :P |
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| 14:49.40 | PulkoMandy | pchaigno: ok... maybe I was in the wrong schools? |
| 14:50.06 | neuro_sys | PulkoMandy: what is your mentoring organization? |
| 14:50.10 | PulkoMandy | Haiku |
| 14:50.35 | PulkoMandy | (so no 8bit coding in GSoC... yet) |
| 14:50.44 | kblin | Slurpee: after all there's like 28 h to go |
| 14:50.44 | pchaigno | PulkoMandy: Where were you? |
| 14:51.12 | neuro_sys | I'd be more inclined to participate in, if there were any 8-bit stuff |
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| 14:51.22 | PulkoMandy | pchaigno: IUT Bayonne Pays Basque, then ENSSAT |
| 14:51.23 | neuro_sys | haiku is as close as its gets though |
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| 14:51.41 | Bonnie | Hello, I have a question: Is the proposal only allowed to be submitted after the enrollment form is submitted? |
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| 14:53.35 | pchaigno | PulkoMandy: Oh! I know the ENSSAT, it's in my hometown :-) |
| 14:53.45 | PulkoMandy | :) |
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| 14:54.02 | PulkoMandy | the world is small |
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| 14:54.18 | osa1 | hi all. I just realized that I need to provide "enrollment form" before I can submit a proposal. unfortunately, because of some reasons I can't get that form from my school until monday(I was just about to submit my proposal now). but I get accepted to graduate school for Fall 2014 at a university and I have acceptence letter sent via email. does that letter work as a enrollment form? |
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| 14:54.48 | PulkoMandy | osa1: try it - if it doesn't work you'll be given extra time for another try |
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| 14:55.01 | neuro_sys | Is it required for the student participators to be unemployed? |
| 14:55.04 | tachyons | !timeline |
| 14:55.04 | gsocbot | tachyons: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 14:55.15 | osa1 | great, thanks. |
| 14:55.17 | tachyons | !next |
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| 14:55.19 | gsocbot | tachyons: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
| 14:55.47 | PulkoMandy | neuro_sys: I think not, but it may be a string factor against you because you may not have as much time as other students to spend on GSoC |
| 14:56.15 | PulkoMandy | and however awesome it is, working at home and everything, it's not possible to keep the motivation to run two full-time jobs for 3 months |
| 14:56.41 | neuro_sys | right, but then, the mentoring participants aren't full time working on the project, though, is it? :P |
| 14:56.57 | neuro_sys | but I see the point, yeah |
| 14:57.19 | inhumanpwnage | Hello, my college doesn't have a Student ID Card policy, although I have a letter from my college which I can use as proof of enrollment, is this enough? |
| 14:57.32 | darnir | !proof | inhumanpwnage |
| 14:57.33 | gsocbot | inhumanpwnage: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 14:58.07 | inhumanpwnage | yes darnir, however, I feel it isn't enough |
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| 14:58.51 | PulkoMandy | neuro_sys: the mentors don't get pay a full-time salary for this |
| 14:58.55 | umccullough | inhumanpwnage, if it is not enough, someone will contact you |
| 14:59.31 | VaticanCameos | I gave my 6th sem transcript (which shows that even semesters have exams commencing in May) and ID card (shows that 8th or last sem is in 2014). Very unconventional, and I'm kind of expecting a "We need more info" mail soon. Been 4 days though. |
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| 15:00.26 | umccullough | VaticanCameos, possibly you might not get anything until your proposal has been selected by the org - no reason to followup until that happens anyway :) |
| 15:00.59 | VaticanCameos | umccullough: Ah..well I should be ready for the possibility. |
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| 15:01.25 | umccullough | i'm sure you'll be given the time to get the proper info if you need to |
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| 15:02.47 | VaticanCameos | umccullough: Fingers crossed, I need to be selected first! :p |
| 15:03.14 | umccullough | yep |
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| 15:13.16 | spoffy | Hey guys! Quick question, once we submit a proposal, can we modify it again before the deadline? |
| 15:13.20 | darnir | Yes |
| 15:13.22 | sumanah | Yes |
| 15:13.22 | darnir | !next |
| 15:13.23 | gsocbot | darnir: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 15:24.14 | spoffy | Thanks darnir and sumanah |
| 15:24.29 | sumanah | Glad to help spoffy |
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| 15:26.28 | gokussjx | Hey |
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| 15:27.06 | gokussjx | I remember submitting my College ID as enrollment form a few days ago |
| 15:27.13 | gokussjx | It was up & visible fine on portal |
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| 15:27.28 | gokussjx | Today, I see it empty, with an option to upload enrollment form |
| 15:27.34 | sumanah | weird! |
| 15:27.40 | sumanah | gokussjx: check your email including your spam box |
| 15:27.58 | gokussjx | Checked it sumanah. There's nothing from Google in it |
| 15:28.02 | sumanah | maybe the Google Open Source Programs Office has sent you a request for a better enrollment proof |
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| 15:28.30 | sumanah | gokussjx: just to be absolutely sure: you only have 1 login on Melange, correct? |
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| 15:29.16 | gokussjx | Yes, absolutely |
| 15:29.46 | Niharika | gokussjx: It´s a bug on Melange. Did you edit your profile after uploading the proof? |
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| 15:30.15 | gokussjx | I think I might have, yes... Probably changed my profile image URL |
| 15:30.29 | gokussjx | Should I reupload form, Niharika? |
| 15:30.31 | sumanah | oh wow, that causes the proof of enrollment to seemingly disappear?! |
| 15:30.51 | Niharika | gokussjx: Yes, re-upload. |
| 15:31.03 | Niharika | sumanah: Apparently. :( |
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| 15:32.05 | sumanah | Goodness. |
| 15:32.32 | sumanah | Niharika: btw I don't see a proposal yet from you in http://opensourcebridge.org/events/2014/proposals :) |
| 15:32.50 | Niharika | sumanah: It´s in the works. Lemme show you. |
| 15:32.56 | sumanah | :) |
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| 15:36.23 | Ident | will it be possible to edit the proposals after the submission tomorrow? |
| 15:36.34 | Ident | i think this was possible in gsoc2012 but not in gsoc2013 |
| 15:36.41 | Ident | or vice-versa, i cant remember |
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| 15:40.43 | sumanah | I believe it's possible to leave comments in the per-proposal comment thread in Melange, but not to edit after the deadline, Ident |
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| 15:48.00 | sumanah | I don't have the energy to push on this in any coherent and systematic way, but I would love for more GSoC students this summer to do pair programming with their mentors |
| 15:48.25 | sumanah | and with each other |
| 15:48.32 | sumanah | as a means of knowledge transfer |
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| 15:49.13 | gokussjx | Thanks a bunch Niharika! |
| 15:49.21 | gokussjx | I can submit props now :-) |
| 15:49.35 | gokussjx | Weird bug, btw. Was quite unexpected |
| 15:50.16 | panzone_ | ok, last pass of error checking i i should finish with my proposals |
| 15:50.44 | sumanah | :-) |
| 15:50.54 | sumanah | I'm glad you are putting some time into your proposal panzone_ |
| 15:50.58 | sumanah | and wish you luck |
| 15:51.17 | sumanah | after your mentor or someone else from your open source community takes a look, I'd be happy to give you some second-pass feedback |
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| 15:51.48 | panzone_ | sumanah: i just hope this work will be rewarded |
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| 15:52.04 | sumanah | panzone_: well, you've already learnt a lot by doing the application process, haven't you? |
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| 15:52.28 | panzone_ | oh, that isn' t a problem, i wrote them using the orgs mailing lists and irc channels |
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| 15:53.18 | panzone_ | sumanah: just trying to write a personal and complex text in english is a great result for me |
| 15:53.34 | sumanah | understands |
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| 15:54.09 | panzone_ | it is like the first time i have to write something important in english |
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| 15:55.19 | sinhayash_ | Is it advised to add code snippets in application or just link to some demos (for POC) ? |
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| 15:55.46 | sumanah | I think it depends on your org sinhayash_ - have you asked your mentor? |
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| 15:56.45 | sinhayash_ | I have add links now. Yes, he reviewed the proposal, but did not comment on that. |
| 15:57.12 | sumanah | sinhayash_: you can follow up and ask him :) |
| 15:57.39 | panzone_ | sinhayash: your org opinion have precedence over mine, but i think adding code to a proposal is the best way to make it hard to read |
| 15:57.46 | sumanah | Personally, I would include code snippets if they are approximately 20 lines or under, and link elsewhere if the code snippet is over 20 lines |
| 15:58.06 | sumanah | You could sort of make it a footnote/appendix/endnote, sinhayash_ |
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| 15:58.09 | sinhayash_ | Thanks sumanah, panzone |
| 15:58.22 | sumanah | so it's still in the proposal but it doesn't interrupt the flow of the reader's concentration on your basic ideas |
| 15:58.35 | sinhayash_ | Ok |
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| 15:59.17 | sumanah | sinhayash_: if you have a demo site up, you should link to it no matter what, in my opinion - the only question is whether to ALSO include code snippets in the proposal |
| 15:59.57 | Bhash90 | Hi,got a problem here |
| 16:00.15 | Bhash90 | I submitted my Student enrolment sheet as proof of enrolment. |
| 16:00.31 | Bhash90 | But it does not specifically mention about 21st-April |
| 16:00.47 | sinhayash_ | Yes, I have added links to demo sites demonstrating an implementation of my ideas. Thanks sumanah |
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| 16:03.25 | panzone_ | bhash90: don' t worry |
| 16:03.36 | Bhash90 | my question is in a case of proof of enrolment refused after proposal period, what would happen? will I get a chance to submit it again? |
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| 16:03.43 | panzone_ | if it isn' t sufficent, they tell you |
| 16:04.01 | panzone_ | and yes, you have the chance and time to submit it again |
| 16:04.17 | panzone_ | even after tomorrow |
| 16:04.18 | Bhash90 | panzone_: thanks :) |
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| 16:12.46 | panzone_ | ok, one is ready. if anyone want to read it and give me some feedback i would really appreciate it ( https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/panzone/5629499534213120) |
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| 16:18.07 | sumanah | panzone_: happy to, since you said your open source community has already seen it and given feedback |
| 16:18.43 | sumanah | panzone_: "I should take my bachelor of science on the first/second week of July, so I' ll take one or two day free in this period" is this an exam of some kind? |
| 16:18.55 | panzone_ | i wrote it using the mailing lists. this version is the results of many revision |
| 16:19.14 | sumanah | Usually when we say "bachelor of science" we're referring to the entire degree; perhaps you could clarify that this is just the final exams or final paper submission |
| 16:19.30 | panzone_ | no, i mean my degree xD |
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| 16:19.53 | panzone_ | my bsc |
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| 16:23.29 | sumanah | ok, then what do you mean by "take"? |
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| 16:24.32 | sumanah | panzone_: what IRC channel is the one devoted to your mentoring org? |
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| 16:25.12 | panzone_ | i used the #glibc channel for the comunication |
| 16:25.34 | sumanah | mind if we talk in there for a few more suggestions? |
| 16:25.52 | panzone_ | i don' t think is a problem |
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| 16:27.42 | devajay | i want to contact with melange mentors but in the melange page mentors irc channel nick name or mail id is missing . so, how i contact with them . |
| 16:27.55 | sachin_h | hi. I was a GSoC student. I was wondering if I must mention GSoC as a *work experience* in legal documents and such. Would my employer then be Google? |
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| 16:28.08 | carols | sachin_h: no, google is not your employer. |
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| 16:28.32 | sumanah | devajay: you could mail the mailing list of the mentoring project and ask for the mentors to reply. |
| 16:29.07 | sachin_h | carols, well then I guess my mentoring organization couldn't be called an employer either. Right? |
| 16:29.15 | carols | sachin_h: correct. |
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| 16:29.46 | sachin_h | carols, so would it make sense to list GSoC as a work experience in a legal document? |
| 16:30.03 | carols | sachin_h: no, you should list it as an "Activity" if you list it at all |
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| 16:30.46 | sachin_h | carol, okay, thanks. |
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| 16:32.05 | devajay | sumanah: there have no mail id of mentor in project details |
| 16:32.18 | sumanah | devajay: I'm not sure you heard what I said. :) |
| 16:32.55 | sumanah | devajay: I'm suggesting that you send an email to the organization's *public mailing list* and say, within that email, that you're interested in working with these specific mentors. |
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| 16:34.43 | devajay | sumanah : can you please give me melange public mail id . |
| 16:35.07 | sumanah | devajay: The thing you want is probably on the page you're looking at. |
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| 16:35.49 | sumanah | If you actually want to work on the Melange software itself as your GSoC project, devajay, you can ask for more information in #melange . Is that what you're aiming to do? |
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| 16:36.12 | devajay | sumanah: thank you |
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| 16:38.53 | aalekhN | hi sumanah, after our last talk and various community disscussion i have made several changes in the proposal, please give me your feedback about the proposal: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:AalekhN/GSoC_proposal_2014 |
| 16:39.28 | sumanah | aalekhN: No, I don't have time. |
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| 16:40.06 | aalekhN | ok, no problem but whenever you do please have a look at it. |
| 16:40.09 | epifanio | HI All |
| 16:41.02 | sumanah | aalekhN: No, I probably won't have time before the deadline. |
| 16:41.05 | sumanah | hi epifanio |
| 16:41.15 | devajay | sumanah: once again thank you |
| 16:41.25 | aalekhN | ok :) |
| 16:41.34 | epifanio | I'm looking for info about the "Proof of Enrollment" |
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| 16:41.48 | sumanah | !proof | epifanio |
| 16:41.48 | gsocbot | epifanio: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
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| 16:42.05 | epifanio | i went on : .. too fast :) .. i was pasting the same link |
| 16:42.23 | sumanah | oh that's ok epifanio :) |
| 16:44.57 | epifanio | i finally received the letter of ecceptance for a offer of admission is to the Doctor of Philosophy in Oceanography |
| 16:45.24 | epifanio | and i was wondering if this is ebough, because i'm now going to fill the taxt form that is needed to receive the VISA |
| 16:45.42 | kblin | hmm |
| 16:46.01 | kblin | clear case of http://i.imgur.com/JcrwDOJ.jpg |
| 16:46.04 | kblin | straps in |
| 16:46.06 | epifanio | is there someone that can have a look at the pdf i received and tell me if it is ok, or i should ask more docs to my univ ? |
| 16:46.30 | nikhatzi | lol kblin |
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| 16:46.35 | epifanio | hehe |
| 16:47.02 | epifanio | i've written the proposal already, now seeking the right docs i need to attach as proof of enrollment |
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| 16:48.00 | sumanah | epifanio: I figure you should just go ahead and upload that. If Google needs more they'll email to ask. |
| 16:48.01 | epifanio | i'm officially accepted and i received an ID at UNH (univ of New Hampishare) what i'm looking for is the right doc to attach |
| 16:48.08 | epifanio | ok |
| 16:48.20 | sumanah | congratulations epifanio on getting your PhD admission! |
| 16:48.34 | epifanio | sumanah: i'm so happy too :) |
| 16:48.56 | epifanio | and class will start 2 sept .. gsoc ends the 19 aug .. so i'm safe ;) |
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| 16:49.48 | sumanah | Nice! |
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| 16:50.01 | sinhayash | Congos epifanio |
| 16:50.05 | sumanah | Gives you a little time to move, if you have to move to NH |
| 16:50.22 | sumanah | it must feel wonderful to have that settled, and to have interesting work for the summer in between |
| 16:51.00 | epifanio | i'm already in US .. i'm (goin back to school) i'm switching from h1b (i had for 3 years) back to a F-type visa |
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| 16:51.31 | sumanah | oh interesting |
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| 16:53.16 | sinhayash | Is it ok if I move to US in between GSOC period? What documents do I need? |
| 16:53.30 | carols | sinhayash: the person to answer that would be a tax advsior |
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| 16:54.00 | ankush92 | carols: I submitted my proposal but I can't view it in the proposals page |
| 16:54.16 | carols | ankush92: #melange |
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| 16:54.50 | ankush92 | k thanks |
| 16:55.04 | epifanio | ok, pdf sumbitted .. do you know how can i find the "exact name" of my organization on melange ? |
| 16:55.17 | panzone_ | ankush92: i had a similar problem |
| 16:55.20 | epifanio | should i go on #melange too ? |
| 16:55.40 | stqism | epifanio: Yes |
| 16:55.48 | epifanio | ok |
| 16:55.52 | stqism | for Melange questions, ask in #melange |
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| 16:56.14 | sinhayash | carols: Ok the tax advisor would have a detailled answer, but have students done it in the past? |
| 16:56.15 | panzone_ | my problem was the abstract that exceed 500 characters. it still say "data saved succesfully" but in reality no |
| 16:56.30 | stqism | panzone_: That's a #melange issue :) |
| 16:56.37 | carols | sinhayash: i don't know, i don't really speak to the students directly about such things... |
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| 16:56.55 | sinhayash | Ok thanks carols |
| 16:56.58 | carols | yw |
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| 17:09.27 | Slurpee | It's The Final Countdown - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJ-wNmazHQ |
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| 17:10.27 | carols | Slurpee: i'd discourage posting videos in here, please |
| 17:10.38 | carols | i know it's just for fun, but if everyone started doing it... |
| 17:10.39 | Slurpee | apologizes |
| 17:10.58 | carols | no problem |
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| 17:17.40 | ankush92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.46 | carols | ankush92: how long has it been? |
| 17:19.12 | ankush92 | carols: 20 minutes |
| 17:19.31 | carols | yeah, they're not required to answer for 48 hours, so i'd suggest you be patient :-) |
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| 17:25.56 | stqism | carols: Patience is a skill a lot of folks seem to be lacking :) |
| 17:26.19 | carols | stqism: yeah, it seems to be a problem our world has... |
| 17:26.51 | meflin | I'm tired of waiting for the patch for this issue :D |
| 17:27.29 | stqism | meflin: Sometimes it's faster to do something yourself :P |
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| 17:39.51 | carols | serves some more coffee and tea |
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| 17:42.08 | panzone_ | uh, i could really use a coffee |
| 17:42.49 | ankush92 | Sorry; it was my mistake. I had more than 500 characters in the Abstract because of which my proposal was not being accepted. |
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| 17:42.53 | stqism | Curious, anyone else getting proposals via email that look like resumes? |
| 17:43.31 | stqism | This guy just sent me a pdf, 2 pages were about him and his experience, 1 line mentioned his proposed project. |
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| 17:43.51 | arrdem | someone didn't read the "how to proposal" in the FAQ.... |
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| 17:44.07 | stqism | Seriously, and he wasn't the first |
| 17:45.04 | gsocer | Hi.. Had a doubt regarding who would review the proposals sent? |
| 17:45.12 | gsocer | Is it google or the mentoring orgs? |
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| 17:45.16 | carols | gsocer: the mentoring org |
| 17:45.18 | carols | never google |
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| 17:46.05 | gsocer | carols, what about in big organizations? Would there be one representative for whole gsoc programme or something? |
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| 17:46.25 | carols | gsocer: you'd have to ask them how they manage their reviews, i'm not the person to speak to about that |
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| 17:46.57 | gsocer | ah! okay. so it differs from org to org.. |
| 17:47.13 | stqism | gsocer: Every org does everything in its own special way |
| 17:48.01 | gsocer | k.. thanks. :) |
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| 17:48.35 | downey | warms up some tea |
| 17:48.50 | carols | hey downey :-) |
| 17:48.52 | jjestrel | Seems like a lot of organizations want mailing list contributions + patches |
| 17:48.55 | downey | Hi, carols! |
| 17:49.00 | carols | :-) |
| 17:49.05 | stqism | jjestrel: 100% based on the org |
| 17:49.16 | JordiGH | I've got a GSoC applicant who is evidently very underqualified but I feel I can't just tell them to go away because I feel like I have to be fair. Would it be ok if I just ignore them or tell them to talk to someone else? |
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| 17:49.38 | carols | JordiGH: what does your org admin say? |
| 17:49.48 | stqism | JordiGH: Answer his questions, even if you know he won't be chosen. It's the least that you could do, in my opinion :) |
| 17:49.52 | carols | is he/she telling you you have to keep speaking to him? |
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| 17:49.56 | jjestrel | stqism: Most of the ones I want seem to unfortunately |
| 17:50.08 | downey | jjestrel: Unfortunately? |
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| 17:50.20 | JordiGH | I don't suppose anyone is telling me that I have to speak with him. I just feel like I should because otherwise Google will think we're being awful to applicants. |
| 17:50.28 | stqism | jjestrel: You've got tons of time till people are chosen fully |
| 17:50.44 | jjestrel | Can we do proposal then make patches/mailing list while the orgs are deciding? |
| 17:50.50 | stqism | jjestrel: Yes |
| 17:50.57 | jjestrel | that makes things much easier then :) |
| 17:51.10 | stqism | You're also free to make patches and contributions outside of GSoC, too :) |
| 17:51.21 | stqism | !faq |
| 17:51.23 | gsocbot | stqism: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 17:52.49 | downey | jjestrel: That decision is up to each organization. You should ask them to clarify whether or not they'll consider your proposal without a previous patch/contribution. |
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| 17:53.16 | panzone_ | ok, i have finished my proposals. now it is the time for some luck xD |
| 17:53.29 | stqism | panzone_: Luck? Nothing is luck :) |
| 17:53.35 | scorche|sh | panzone_: if they are good ones, you shouldnt have to rely on luck ;) |
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| 17:54.13 | sidthekid | try out http://sidthekidder.github.io/will-i-be-accepted/ to find out your fate ;) and to pass the time :) |
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| 17:54.36 | scorche|sh | panzone_: also, make sure to communicate with the org a lot - we like people who do more than just submit a proposal =) |
| 17:54.47 | panzone_ | stqism, scorche|sh: i don' t rely on luck. i put everything i have, but i also know that there isn' t place for everybody |
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| 17:56.33 | panzone_ | scorche|sh that shouldn' t be a problem, since i wrote my proposal using the orgs mailng list |
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| 17:57.19 | panzone_ | i think they can' t tolerate me anymore |
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| 17:58.51 | panzone_ | xD with 20 tentatives i have obtained 16 no and 4 yes. good thing that gsoc isn' t about luck otherwise i have a problem |
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| 18:00.51 | sidthekid | panzone: its all about Math.random()...or not :D |
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| 18:00.59 | jjestrel | Will the comment section still be open when proposals stop being taken? |
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| 18:17.21 | etern | correct me if I'm wrong but 2:00 PM Est time is when the deadline for proposal submission is right? |
| 18:17.47 | carols | etern: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=GSoC+2014+Student+Application+Deadline&iso=20140321T19 |
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| 18:18.07 | etern | thanks carols |
| 18:18.10 | carols | yw |
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| 18:19.03 | yellepe | Hey apart from the proof of enrolment do we have to submit anything els e? |
| 18:19.11 | carols | yellepe: your proposal... |
| 18:19.17 | yellepe | yeah! |
| 18:19.26 | yellepe | just the 2, right ? |
| 18:19.36 | carols | yellepe: does the org want anything else from you? |
| 18:19.39 | etern | Rushing to finish a proposal. Can't believe the deadline is here already, I was busy with college work and didn't get to finish my first proposal. I planned on submitting at least 3 but now I'll submit just one. |
| 18:19.56 | yellepe | no |
| 18:20.02 | yellepe | it doesnt mention anything els e |
| 18:20.06 | carols | yellepe: then that's it |
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| 18:20.12 | yellepe | ok thanks! |
| 18:21.46 | panzone_ | etern: i can understand. i started with a great advance i' ve finished just now. |
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| 18:22.11 | etern | panzone_: nice. good luck! |
| 18:22.21 | panzone_ | etern: you too |
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| 18:23.30 | LovelyGuyAnSh | carol: If I make my proposal to public.. can others view it before 21 or not..? |
| 18:23.45 | carols | LovelyGuyAnSh: yes, they can, if you give them the URL |
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| 18:24.10 | LovelyGuyAnSh | carols: ok thanks.. |
| 18:24.14 | carols | yw |
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| 18:26.19 | panzone_ | LovelyGuyAnSh https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/public/google/gsoc2014/panzone/5629499534213120 |
| 18:26.47 | carols | sips some tea |
| 18:27.17 | panzone_ | this should be a good answer |
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| 18:28.06 | LovelyGuyAnSh | panzone_: thanks.. I also made public but i tried google search but it won't show it in result.. |
| 18:28.35 | stqism | LovelyGuyAnSh: That's normal, Google doesn't go around indexing random proposals, and not that fast |
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| 18:29.26 | LovelyGuyAnSh | stqism: yup understood.. thanks for reply.. |
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| 18:30.17 | etern | yeah, only 2 proposals are indexed so far in Google. one of them is really short, with a paragraph. it'd be interesting to see if it gets accepted. |
| 18:30.35 | VarunAgw | too |
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| 18:32.15 | etern | nevermind, the one paragraph guy made a detailed PDF which he linked to in that one paragraph proposal. |
| 18:32.50 | dfighter | what if he changes it after the deadline? |
| 18:32.50 | stqism | What's with all the pdfs? |
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| 18:33.23 | LovelyGuyAnSh | dfighter: good question.. |
| 18:33.42 | LovelyGuyAnSh | some operator must answer this issue.. |
| 18:34.47 | darnir | It depends. Some orgs want you to keep your proposal as a separate file outside of melange so that it can be changed and reworked if need be. |
| 18:35.10 | dfighter | but then there's no point for a deadline |
| 18:35.12 | stqism | LovelyGuyAnSh: dfighter To answer your question, despite not being an Op, if he changes the pdf, people will see whatever copy of the pdf they have at the time, or however they look at it |
| 18:35.24 | stqism | dfighter: That is not true |
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| 18:35.36 | stqism | dfighter: You're not even on the list of people to look at without a proposal |
| 18:35.46 | stqism | A proposal before the deadline |
| 18:35.59 | dfighter | stqism, yes but you can't edit your melange proposal after the deadline |
| 18:36.05 | darnir | I'd assume that organizations asking for such PDF's don't really care if the student changes it, as long as it improves things. |
| 18:36.07 | dfighter | if there's a way around it, then there's no point for that |
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| 18:36.38 | stqism | dfighter: That isn't a way around it, in our case I'll do something special, download every little pdf the moment the deadline comes |
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| 18:37.02 | dfighter | stqism, that's you |
| 18:37.03 | darnir | The point of a deadline is to ensure that students apply by then. Orgs are allowed to ask for more information. As a mentor, I'd ask the student to update his/her proposal outside of melange to reflect the changes and answers to our questions. |
| 18:37.11 | dfighter | you can't assume everyone else will do the same |
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| 18:37.23 | stqism | dfighter: This depends on what the org does, man |
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| 18:37.49 | yatharth01 | Who's applying to mozilla here? |
| 18:37.50 | stqism | dfighter: If you submit a proposal with just a blank pdf planning to edit it later, we'll know |
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| 18:38.32 | darnir | Although rather than PDF's, I think a better idea is to use GitHub gists. |
| 18:38.47 | stqism | Github gists are nice |
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| 18:38.58 | darnir | Each edit is tracked. Hence, you know when the edit was made, and more importantly, you get diffs |
| 18:39.11 | stqism | gists are just small git repos |
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| 18:39.44 | etern | stqism: rats, i was gonna use the blank pdf method. |
| 18:39.51 | darnir | I don't care if the student polishes the proposal or makes grammatical changes to it after the deadline. And with diffs its really easy to see that |
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| 18:40.00 | dfighter | stqism, I don't think you get the point I'm trying to make, maybe I'm expressing myself poorly. If there are people submitting PDFs and have the opportunity to change it later, they will have an unfair advatage, compared to submits proposals using the Melange text editor |
| 18:40.03 | stqism | darnir: +1 |
| 18:40.19 | dfighter | so in essence there's no point in having a deadline and freezing the Melange proposals |
| 18:40.25 | PulkoMandy | dfighter: it's not that unfair |
| 18:40.28 | stqism | dfighter: Here's the fun part, an org might even disregard PDFs |
| 18:40.55 | stqism | dfighter: Everyone can submit something extra, it isn't like only Asian students get to submit a pdf |
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| 18:41.05 | dfighter | PulkoMandy, it's QUITE unfair, because some people would have more time to work on their proposals |
| 18:41.05 | darnir | dfighter: But if an org *asks* for PDF's, every student applying has done so. And hence, they're all equal |
| 18:41.35 | VarunAgw | I guess there can be dispute about deliverable during evaluation period too because there is no proof what is deliverable |
| 18:41.35 | PulkoMandy | dfighter: you're not directly cmpeting against all students |
| 18:41.41 | etern | do organizations look at every proposal or stop looking once they find the first few proposals they like? |
| 18:41.50 | PulkoMandy | each org picks the best students in their own applications |
| 18:42.02 | stqism | etern: We look at all of them, and discuss who we like in our secret channel |
| 18:42.04 | PulkoMandy | so on that part you're equal to other students from the same org |
| 18:42.19 | etern | stqism: alright, thanks. |
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| 18:42.26 | dfighter | PulkoMandy, I'm well aware thanks. I was accepted in 2012 and 2013. It's still unfair if some have more time than others |
| 18:42.28 | stqism | etern: It's up to the various org thogh |
| 18:42.30 | darnir | Also, I see it as a sort of weeding process. Some people simply write proposals without actually going through the org's guidelines. If the guideline says, PDF mandatory. It allows you to weed out those students who didn't even bother to read that. |
| 18:42.37 | scorche|sh | dfighter: and some orgs may deny looking at PDFs for that reason |
| 18:42.42 | PulkoMandy | dfighter: it doesn't grant any more slots to the org |
| 18:42.46 | scorche|sh | and some orgs may encourage that for that reason |
| 18:42.47 | dfighter | scorche, which is great |
| 18:42.52 | scorche|sh | either way, it is all up to the org |
| 18:43.00 | PulkoMandy | and, as a mentor I'm watching the applications as they come |
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| 18:43.21 | scorche|sh | it isnt unfair if you can do the very same thing - the important part is to do things the way the org is expecting |
| 18:43.25 | stqism | PulkoMandy: I've made a vow to refuse to look at melange proposals till the deadline is hit |
| 18:43.30 | PulkoMandy | and I can say you that students that were working in the last two weeks and discussing the proposal with us have a lot more change of getting in than the proposals we wil lget tomorrow anyway |
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| 18:43.35 | stqism | PulkoMandy: I'll review one via email though |
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| 18:43.57 | darnir | PulkoMandy: +1 |
| 18:44.03 | scorche|sh | i can tell you that we have had students go the PDF route and it is very clear when they make changes |
| 18:44.20 | darnir | scorche|sh: How so? |
| 18:44.21 | scorche|sh | i can also tell you that we have had times when we wished we could let them change the proposal |
| 18:44.32 | scorche|sh | it really isnt a big deal |
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| 18:45.09 | scorche|sh | darnir: it is pretty obvious when they add whole sections =) |
| 18:45.15 | scorche|sh | the small changes that we might miss likely wouldnt have much impact either |
| 18:45.34 | CFS-MP3 | I have the complete opposite strategy to stqism ... I check proposals (and comment on them) as they arrive |
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| 18:46.05 | scorche|sh | and that is the glory of GSoC - the org does things in the manner that best fits their workflow =) |
| 18:46.12 | stqism | CFS-MP3: You know, I like people who take the effort to contact me directly :) |
| 18:46.33 | darnir | I work in a hybrid fashion. |
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| 18:46.51 | darnir | Instantly review only those proposals that come from students who have contacted us in the past |
| 18:46.54 | stqism | Some of my mentors review them, even do counts and stuff :) |
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| 18:47.36 | darnir | The others, they will be seen after the deadline. If a student has been in contact with us, they ask us for reviewing the proposal on melange and we suggest changes. |
| 18:47.48 | makoscafee | has any person ever accepted during his first year for GSOC? |
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| 18:48.06 | VarunAgw | yes |
| 18:48.11 | VarunAgw | Don't ask me who |
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| 18:48.34 | stqism | makoscafee: If no one got accepted on his/her first year, we'd have no one for the 2nd years |
| 18:48.39 | darnir | makoscafee: I'd assume hundreds |
| 18:48.56 | PulkoMandy | stqism: not true. I failed in 2008 and I was a student in 2009 |
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| 18:49.01 | darnir | Also me, last year :P |
| 18:49.05 | PulkoMandy | (and a mentor since then) |
| 18:49.25 | stqism | PulkoMandy: I assume that if everyone failed the first year, we'd have zero students that year |
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| 18:49.34 | PulkoMandy | but yes, we don't get much returning students |
| 18:50.23 | darnir | PulkoMandy: What do you think could be the reason? |
| 18:51.05 | makoscafee | sorry i mean has any one ever aceepted when he was in first year in university? |
| 18:51.06 | PulkoMandy | darnir: my best gues would be they try another org, or give up |
| 18:51.52 | stqism | makoscafee: I'm sure tons |
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| 18:55.23 | VarunAgw | I was wondering if there will be any GSoC related work for student after tomorrow for one month? |
| 18:55.32 | carols | VarunAgw: what does the org say? |
| 18:55.50 | VarunAgw | carols, I haven't asked :) |
| 18:56.01 | carols | VarunAgw: then that's your next step :-) |
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| 18:56.44 | osa1 | is there a way to see my submitted proposals? I think I just submitted one but I can't see it again(just to make sure I'm really submitted and no errors happened) |
| 18:56.56 | stqism | osa1: #melange |
| 18:57.00 | stqism | They know, always |
| 18:57.07 | osa1 | thanks |
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| 18:57.19 | VarunAgw | osa1, http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/list/student/google/gsoc2014 |
| 18:57.32 | makoscafee | what is a enrollment form must b? can it be admission letter? |
| 18:57.42 | VarunAgw | !proof |
| 18:57.42 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 18:57.43 | osa1 | VarunAgw: thanks. apparently my submission worked |
| 18:58.36 | electro_ | Is it okay to ask people to review your proposal on IRC? |
| 18:58.40 | VarunAgw | osa1, It is assessible from Side Bar -> My Dashboard -> Proposals |
| 18:58.48 | carols | electro_: in the org's channel? |
| 18:59.01 | electro_ | On any channel. |
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| 18:59.20 | carols | electro_: you're welcome to ask the org to review it in IRC if that's one of their preferred communication methods. |
| 18:59.24 | stqism | electro_: Any? No, the orgs? up to them. |
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| 19:00.42 | electro_ | Okay, do the orgs know when a new proposal is submitted? |
| 19:00.58 | carols | electro_: yes, if they have notifications turned on |
| 19:01.01 | stqism | electro_: They get an email |
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| 19:01.54 | electro_ | Okay. I was asking because I submitted my proposal about 4 hours ago and didnt receive any comments. |
| 19:02.07 | carols | electro_: they're not *required* to respond |
| 19:02.11 | carols | they just do if they choose to |
| 19:02.33 | carols | also, please keep in mind, even if their policy is to respond to proposals, they are getting lots right now |
| 19:02.43 | carols | and they might need more than 4 hours before responding |
| 19:02.53 | VarunAgw | electro_, I submitted 4 days ago and not received any comment yet. So, just wait |
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| 19:03.32 | CFS-MP3 | VarunAgw what org? |
| 19:03.55 | stqism | carols: Tell me about it, I've got rows of emails from no-reply@etc, actually having trouble finding non proposal emails |
| 19:04.33 | VarunAgw | CFS-MP3, Why? Actually, I don't want to name any organisation publicly |
| 19:04.59 | etern | don't expect a response at all, if you want feedback you can try asking them in IRC or some other method. but don't hunt down their e-mails because that would annoy them. |
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| 19:05.11 | CFS-MP3 | VarunAgw just to check if it was mine and I missed your proposal... |
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| 19:05.38 | CFS-MP3 | Anyway hopefully you won't be so shy during the coding stage and will be more open to share stuff :-) |
| 19:05.57 | VarunAgw | So, which organisation you represent? It is PHP related. |
| 19:06.12 | tierra | VarunAgw: I've reviewed yours, sometimes feedback doesn't come immediately if it's generally looking pretty good already ;) |
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| 19:06.26 | CFS-MP3 | Sorry, not going to play that way. If you don't feel like sharing who you applied for then don't |
| 19:06.49 | CFS-MP3 | really ridiculous I think, but well |
| 19:07.06 | CFS-MP3 | I'm going for tea |
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| 19:07.27 | LovelyGuyAnSh | VarunAgw: you can have private dialog window with CFS-MP3 if you are using any chat client |
| 19:07.38 | VarunAgw | ok |
| 19:07.44 | stqism | This is from yesterday and today http://i.imgur.com/D8cd0Aa.png |
| 19:07.49 | sinhayash_ | makoscafee: 2 of my friends got selected in 1st year |
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| 19:08.09 | stqism | After that, there are like 50 more spread out |
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| 19:08.14 | VarunAgw | tierra, Thanks |
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| 19:13.37 | VarunAgw | !logs |
| 19:13.37 | gsocbot | VarunAgw: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:14.52 | VarunAgw | Why can't we see latest logs. They are two day old. :( |
| 19:15.25 | carols | VarunAgw: maybe take that up with the person who manages the logs? |
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| 19:17.36 | VarunAgw | but bot manages the log. Anyway, I catch bot owner later :) |
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| 19:24.47 | panzone_ | uh, just for curiosity, anyone from italy ? |
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| 19:29.11 | pr0ggie | does the enrollment confirmation need to be submitted by today as well? |
| 19:29.17 | pr0ggie | *by tomorrow |
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| 19:29.29 | carols | pr0ggie: it needs to be submitted whenever you want to submit a proposal |
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| 19:33.01 | pr0ggie | carols, so it's impossible to submit the proposal without sutmitting that? |
| 19:33.01 | pr0ggie | is a photo going to be ok |
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| 19:35.05 | stqism | pr0ggie: Yes, and no. You need to submit a proposal to submit a proposal. |
| 19:35.13 | carols | pr0ggie: correct |
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| 19:35.53 | stqism | pr0ggie: also, your proposal has to be done through melange, you can't just send an email of a photo :) |
| 19:35.55 | agliodbs | where do we report Melange bugs? |
| 19:36.06 | carols | agliodbs: on the issue tracker |
| 19:36.08 | etern | agliodbs: #melange |
| 19:36.28 | carols | agliodbs: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._Where_do_I_file_bugs_and_feature |
| 19:36.29 | agliodbs | ok, will try IRC first |
| 19:36.44 | stqism | IRC will direct you to the issue tracker |
| 19:36.51 | agliodbs | then issue tracker ... |
| 19:36.56 | agliodbs | stqism: yeah? ok |
| 19:37.07 | pr0ggie | stqism, i meant if uploading a photo of my enrollment confirmation on melange is fine |
| 19:37.20 | carols | pr0ggie: you read over the instructions, yes? |
| 19:37.26 | pr0ggie | because I dont have a scanner |
| 19:37.42 | stqism | pr0ggie: You'll know if it was accepted or not. |
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| 19:39.27 | pr0ggie | oh i see I need to submit the enrollment form first, sorry |
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| 19:39.38 | stqism | Correct |
| 19:39.47 | pr0ggie | does it take longer to process? |
| 19:39.50 | pr0ggie | *long |
| 19:39.53 | stqism | No |
| 19:40.03 | pr0ggie | great, thank you |
| 19:40.30 | stqism | Though this is something you should of taken care of sooner |
| 19:40.56 | carols | stqism: it falls on deaf ears. |
| 19:41.00 | carols | i've been trying for 4 years. |
| 19:41.03 | carols | I've given up |
| 19:41.47 | stqism | carols: Perhaps patience doesn't mean hours before the deadline. |
| 19:41.55 | carols | stqism: maybe. |
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| 19:45.34 | agliodbs | carols: *hours* before? For a student, that's pretty good. ;-) |
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| 19:46.00 | carols | yeah |
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| 19:46.17 | dj_jazzy_jeff | sweetness |
| 19:46.35 | Ivanovic | carols: hmmm, would it help to say in the middle of the application time that the deadline was move *up* one day so things have to be in the day before? |
| 19:46.54 | Ivanovic | having something like this happen once a week it might make some of the students submit the stuff earlier... |
| 19:46.56 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 19:46.57 | carols | Ivanovic: no, it would help for people to not assume there's going to be a deadline extension |
| 19:47.19 | stqism | carols: I'm curious as to how you read all those GSoC emails, I feel like a fish in the entire ocean reading all the mailing lists, proposals, and student emails. |
| 19:47.20 | agliodbs | carols: I feel that the lack of a deadline extension is an important lesson for the students. |
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| 19:47.33 | etern | i wouldn't mind a deadline extension. go ahead if you want. :) |
| 19:47.37 | arrdem | as a student deadline extensions are a terrible thing to plan on |
| 19:47.38 | carols | stqism: you get used to it. it's my job, after all. |
| 19:47.42 | Ivanovic | carols: i have been doing the org admin job for 6 years now and students will just not learn what a real deadline is |
| 19:47.44 | stqism | agliodbs: Lesson one, the world is a cruel mistress |
| 19:47.51 | Ivanovic | at least not all of them |
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| 19:47.58 | carols | Ivanovic: it's really sad. it's particularly sad when the orgs do it |
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| 19:48.27 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 19:48.33 | agliodbs | carols: student emailed us today that he wants help coming up with a proposal, and just looked at the PG code for the first time today |
| 19:48.49 | dj_jazzy_jeff | lol |
| 19:48.54 | carols | agliodbs: well, sounds like you've got a volunteer developer prepped for next year on your hands |
| 19:48.58 | agliodbs | me: "Here's what you should do *next year*" |
| 19:49.01 | pr0ggie | carols, great I can already submit the proposal |
| 19:49.08 | carols | pr0ggie: great |
| 19:49.20 | agliodbs | carols: yep |
| 19:49.26 | stqism | pr0ggie: Now start writing it, you've got hours when others have had weeks. |
| 19:49.33 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: spounds to me as if you got a student at hand who wants to proof that he is a fast learner |
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| 19:50.01 | Ivanovic | the submission deadline does not mean that the proposal has to be 100% perfect (at least not for us) |
| 19:50.17 | agliodbs | I'm just so happy for the comments that go to the student. That's saved me a lot of time |
| 19:50.17 | Ivanovic | since we will ask for changes and improvements to see how the students react on the feedback |
| 19:50.31 | Ivanovic | those starting early with us of course got the benefit that they get the feedback earlier |
| 19:50.34 | agliodbs | people who are bitching about melange this year have NO IDEA ... |
| 19:50.50 | Ivanovic | it seems to be really working well this year |
| 19:51.11 | carols | Ivanovic: would you tell the developers that? i'm sure they would really like to hear it |
| 19:51.16 | carols | they've been working their tails off |
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| 19:53.00 | Ivanovic | carols: done! |
| 19:53.10 | carols | Ivanovic: thanks very much. |
| 19:53.15 | carols | all they really get is complaints |
| 19:53.22 | carols | not a lot of "job well done" messages |
| 19:53.22 | Ivanovic | those folks really deserve some praise |
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| 19:54.04 | nikhatzi | +1 |
| 19:54.09 | etern | to be fair melange is not all that perfect |
| 19:54.25 | nikhatzi | Daniel saved my &&&& some days ago fixing the withdraw function within minutes after the bug report. Respect. |
| 19:54.25 | Ivanovic | etern: noone said it was perfect |
| 19:54.28 | stqism | etern: We're all human, humans make errors. It's simple. |
| 19:54.32 | Ivanovic | it is just working well this year |
| 19:54.49 | etern | stqism: oh i agree, good job to the developers for improving it. i'm sure it will only keep getting better. |
| 19:55.24 | agliodbs | etern: it's software. by definition, it has bugs. |
| 19:55.43 | nikhatzi | one thing i don't like on melange is it's small fixed width on the proposal form... it's damn too narrow to have a big picture of your proposal onthefly |
| 19:55.44 | panzone_ | stqism; well, this year there aren' t less student ? |
| 19:55.52 | stqism | panzone_: Pardon? |
| 19:56.00 | agliodbs | etern: but this year I can rate and comment on all of our proposals in a few minutes. That's getting the important stuff right. |
| 19:56.01 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: uhm, i can't agree 100% |
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| 19:56.17 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: often getting the software close to bugfree is just freaking expensive |
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| 19:56.35 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with |
| 19:56.48 | Ivanovic | [20:55:24] <agliodbs> etern: it's software. by definition, it has bugs. |
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| 19:56.51 | etern | agliodbs: that's great. |
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| 19:57.03 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: right. All software has bugs. |
| 19:57.11 | arrdem | Edsger Djikstra is rolling in his grave... |
| 19:57.27 | agliodbs | and for that matter, all software can be simplified |
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| 19:57.29 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: hmm, not sure |
| 19:57.37 | agliodbs | therefore, the ultimate program is one line, with a bug |
| 19:57.38 | gevaerts | writes a buggy line of code |
| 19:57.48 | Ivanovic | if the aim of the software is just a hello world: might be bugfree |
| 19:57.57 | arrdem | but since the purpose of this one line is to exhibit a bug, is it not correct? |
| 19:58.02 | riteshkarval | I need some help on dr memory's project system call tracing |
| 19:58.13 | agliodbs | arrdem: ooooh! clever |
| 19:58.14 | stqism | agliodbs: Tell that to our lead engineer. He's rather sure of himself with his buffer overflow prevention. |
| 19:58.34 | panzone_ | riteshkarval: what type of help ? i wanted to apply for that project |
| 19:58.44 | agliodbs | stqism: Bug: buffer overflow preventer causes server to crash. ;-) |
| 19:58.49 | panzone_ | but i prefer to concentrate my resources to other proposals |
| 19:59.02 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: if you said that any software of some complexity is likely to have bugs i would agree |
| 19:59.19 | riteshkarval | panzone: I also want to applt, but I can't understand how to write path for them |
| 19:59.20 | Ivanovic | but there are cases where just "enough" money is spent to create software that is as close to bugfree as possible |
| 19:59.27 | stqism | To be fair, the bugs could be a part of the library that prints text. |
| 19:59.29 | Ivanovic | think of those fly by wire systems in modern aircrafts |
| 19:59.54 | Ivanovic | there they go far enough to document every single line of code providing which purpose that single line has |
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| 20:00.02 | panzone_ | riteshkarval: first question: have you asked on dr. memory irc or mailing lists ? |
| 20:00.04 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: those still have bugs. |
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| 20:00.09 | Ivanovic | so development gets freaking slow and even more expensive |
| 20:00.13 | agliodbs | fewer bugs, less, but not none |
| 20:00.28 | riteshkarval | panzone: not till now |
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| 20:01.16 | panzone_ | so ask to them. every project use different methods for patch submission or commit operations |
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| 20:01.29 | gevaerts | riteshkarval: have you tried asking for organisation or project specific help in organisation or project specific places? |
| 20:01.55 | riteshkarval | gevaerts: not till now |
| 20:02.00 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: one of the guys in SFPUG actually writes auditing code for aircraft software. He'd tell you that it's not bug-free. Their standard is "don't crash the plane", not "eliminate all bugs" |
| 20:02.14 | riteshkarval | panzone: thanks |
| 20:02.33 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: sure |
| 20:02.36 | riteshkarval | is anyone working for RAXA? |
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| 20:02.48 | Ivanovic | gsocbot: anyone | riteshkarval |
| 20:02.48 | gsocbot | riteshkarval: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 20:02.58 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:02.59 | panzone_ | riteshkarval: i was expecting a technical questions |
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| 20:04.28 | riteshkarval | gsocbot: I mean to say is anyone has proposed to RAXA? I need help in marsing technologies |
| 20:04.41 | riteshkarval | sorry parsing technologies |
| 20:04.49 | Ivanovic | riteshkarval: why not ask in their chan? |
| 20:05.02 | riteshkarval | k |
| 20:05.06 | carols | riteshkarval: what they sent you applies. if you want to speak to people about raxa, you should talk to the raxa people. |
| 20:05.07 | Ivanovic | you should always get in contact with the org |
| 20:05.11 | Ivanovic | the mentors are not evil |
| 20:05.13 | suraj | hi |
| 20:05.20 | Ivanovic | they will most likely help you create a good proposal |
| 20:05.25 | panzone_ | ivanovic: probably |
| 20:05.26 | Ivanovic | but you need to communicate with them |
| 20:05.29 | carols | hi suraj |
| 20:05.42 | Ivanovic | so go there, ask questions and follow advice |
| 20:05.45 | suraj | i need to apply for the melange ideas |
| 20:05.55 | carols | suraj: you may want to try in #melange in that case |
| 20:06.18 | suraj | ok i will thankyou |
| 20:06.18 | carols | downey: any spam? |
| 20:06.23 | carols | suraj: you're welcome |
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| 20:07.43 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: and if the mentors *are* evil, it's better to find out *now* |
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| 20:08.00 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: still some students might even enjoy that |
| 20:08.01 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:08.14 | arrdem | I for one refuse to work with someone less evil than myself.. |
| 20:08.39 | gevaerts | arrdem: that sounds very reasonable, so you can't be very evil :) |
| 20:08.51 | Ivanovic | arrdem: but, uhm, does a being like this exist? |
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| 20:09.20 | arrdem | Ivanovic: until you see the robots marching, no one doesn't |
| 20:09.29 | Ivanovic | arrdem: considering that some fluffy guinea pig is probably more evil than you are... |
| 20:09.31 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:09.34 | agliodbs | gevaerts: well, he's applying to the OSELE |
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| 20:15.23 | laura___ | hi all |
| 20:15.29 | carols | laura___: hi |
| 20:15.43 | laura___ | hi carols |
| 20:15.56 | carols | laura___: how's your day going? |
| 20:15.59 | laura___ | just one question :) |
| 20:16.03 | carols | sure |
| 20:16.32 | laura___ | i'm a phd student at an Italian University |
| 20:16.38 | carols | great |
| 20:16.43 | carols | congrats on the phd :-) |
| 20:16.56 | stqism | dj_jazzy_jeff: You followed me ;_; |
| 20:17.44 | laura___ | can I use as proof of enrollment a formal declaration from the coordinator of the PHD course? |
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| 20:18.25 | carols | laura___: will it have the school's seal or letterhead? |
| 20:19.24 | laura___ | maybe letterhead |
| 20:19.31 | carols | then it's probably fine |
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| 20:19.33 | carols | just submit it |
| 20:19.44 | carols | if it's not what we need we'll contact you to submit something else |
| 20:19.55 | dj_jazzy_jeff | stqism, im watching everywhere all the time! |
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| 20:20.15 | stqism | dj_jazzy_jeff: ....... |
| 20:20.17 | laura___ | ok, thank you :) |
| 20:20.20 | carols | yw |
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| 20:28.51 | downey | carols: so far so good. |
| 20:28.58 | carols | downey: awesome |
| 20:29.13 | agliodbs | wierdly, we're getting fewer *bad* proposals this year |
| 20:29.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | I am amazed that there is actually carlos as well as carols in [GSoC Mentors] mailing list :-) |
| 20:29.50 | agliodbs | can the senior org admin edit a proposal? |
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| 20:46.24 | etern | test |
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| 20:47.43 | dj_jazzy_jeff | etern test test |
| 20:48.18 | etern | dj_jazzy_jeff: test test test back :P |
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| 21:00.22 | Ivanovic | agliodbs: i don't think that the org people can edit the proposals |
| 21:00.38 | Ivanovic | but, once the edits are closed, they can usually allow their students to change the proposal agian |
| 21:00.39 | Jeremy_Rand | so I registered on https://www.google-melange.com a while back with the intent of being an administrator, but my organization wasn't approved... now I want to be a student, but the website is only showing me administrator-related functions... have I missed something? |
| 21:00.48 | Ivanovic | plus comments should always be possible |
| 21:01.06 | stqism | ^unmentor | Jeremy_Rand |
| 21:01.08 | pchaigno | !unmentor | Jeremy_Rand |
| 21:01.08 | gsocbot | Jeremy_Rand: "unmentor" is If you can't see a FORMS section in your profile page, you've registered as a mentor not a student. EITHER mail melange-soc@googlegroups.com and Cc: carols@google.com with your melange username (top of the page) and say you mistakenly registered as a mentor, OR just register again with another Google account |
| 21:01.15 | stqism | That freaking ! |
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| 21:01.19 | pchaigno | stqism: :P |
| 21:01.22 | stqism | My bot uses ^ :( |
| 21:02.07 | Jeremy_Rand | thanks |
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| 21:02.47 | stqism | Jeremy_Rand: You need to hurry, you've had weeks to do that and now you have hours to do what others have had weeks to do :) |
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| 21:04.08 | Jeremy_Rand | stqism: I've been talking with the organization I want to be a student at for a few weeks, I just haven't formally posted a proposal on Melange yet |
| 21:04.16 | Jeremy_Rand | is that a particularly complex process? |
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| 21:04.38 | stqism | No, but you have to hope that they are able to change your account to student in less than a few hours |
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| 21:05.28 | Jeremy_Rand | stqism: ok |
| 21:05.53 | Jeremy_Rand | as a backup, should I just register another Google account? |
| 21:06.06 | stqism | It might be faster |
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| 21:06.35 | warthog9 | Jeremy_Rand: that's what I'd suggest |
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| 21:06.48 | Jeremy_Rand | ok, thanks |
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| 21:08.47 | gevaerts | thinks that the proof of enrollment requirement should be dropped for students applying during the last minute before the deadline |
| 21:09.18 | stqism | gevaerts: I'm sure carols would like that :) |
| 21:09.56 | gevaerts | Well, what better proof of being a student can you get than applying at the last minute? :) |
| 21:10.04 | olly | gevaerts: heh |
| 21:10.17 | stqism | :) |
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| 21:26.58 | dj_jazzy_jeff | so basically. |
| 21:27.07 | dj_jazzy_jeff | I fucked up Google summer of code. |
| 21:27.14 | dj_jazzy_jeff | I will see you guys next summer. |
| 21:27.23 | dj_jazzy_jeff | I got this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:29.58 | olly | classy |
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| 21:43.10 | agliodbs | Ivanovic: the issue is a formatting bug which causes melange to barf on a proposal. But looks like Melange folks fixed it. |
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| 22:03.52 | agliodbs | yay! we got a credible proposal from a female student! |
| 22:03.55 | agliodbs | is happy |
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| 22:12.09 | gammer | Hi, guys! Is there anyone studying at first course? |
| 22:12.34 | olly | gammer: there are applicants from all years |
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| 22:14.18 | ijimenez | agliodbs: Do you do celebrate all your credible male proposals too? |
| 22:14.43 | agliodbs | ijimenez: we celebrate *any* credible proposal |
| 22:14.57 | ijimenez | agliodbs: nice :) |
| 22:15.01 | agliodbs | ijimenez: but given that we're a database project, ones from female students are extra-sparkly special |
| 22:15.10 | gammer | olly: i know, but it's interesting for me to chat with them) Because i am understand it's pretty hard to participate in just on first course |
| 22:15.25 | agliodbs | ijimenez: since enrollment of female students in database concentrations < 10% |
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| 22:16.08 | ijimenez | agliodbs: yes pretty sad :( so I agree on the great news |
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| 22:20.39 | derdon | gammer: why do you think so? I learned most of programming in the internet and the open source world, not at my university |
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| 22:20.54 | Taggnostr | if I was a student last year, do I have to create a new profile to apply for this year? |
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| 22:21.16 | derdon | Taggnostr: not a new account but a new profile, yes |
| 22:21.25 | Taggnostr | derdon, ok, thanks! |
| 22:21.32 | derdon | you're welcome |
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| 22:22.21 | hitlin37 | for the deadline, it is required to submit Proof of Enrollment? |
| 22:22.28 | gammer | derdon: so did I. my university education it's too poor. our c++ lector known just a bit about, and can't explain something. she just knew a basics. and can't do something serious, all i knew i'd lear myself |
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| 22:23.07 | gevaerts | hitlin37: you have to submit your proof of enrollment before you can submit your project proposal, so yes |
| 22:23.19 | derdon | gammer: I didn't blame my university for anything, I didn't want to sound negative! |
| 22:23.28 | hitlin37 | hmmm...thanks gevaerts |
| 22:23.30 | derdon | I don't expect the university to teach me programming |
| 22:23.39 | gammer | derdon: but it's hard to participate if u hadn't learned programming b4 university studying |
| 22:23.50 | derdon | I expect it to teach me the theoretical background of computations, for example |
| 22:23.54 | gevaerts | Or words, even :) |
| 22:24.04 | hitlin37 | then i would need to get the enrollemt letter for my college... |
| 22:24.22 | derdon | gammer: university is hard if you haven't programmed before, so ... ;) |
| 22:24.53 | gammer | derdon: and so do i :D it's cool that it's nice chance to teaching yourself learning yourself :D |
| 22:25.10 | olly | hitlin37: or one of the other items on the list |
| 22:25.13 | olly | !proof | hitlin37 |
| 22:25.14 | gsocbot | hitlin37: "proof" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/proofofenrollment |
| 22:25.32 | hitlin37 | oh |
| 22:25.37 | derdon | gammer: I wonder if your nick is a typo for "grammar" :P |
| 22:25.37 | gammer | i'd programmed before just a bit web-programming, but it's isn't hard to studying at university. it isn't easy to participate in GSOC) |
| 22:25.39 | hitlin37 | didn't saw :Any *one* |
| 22:25.44 | olly | student card is a popular option |
| 22:25.49 | olly | if it has the date on |
| 22:25.51 | hitlin37 | thanks olly gsocbot |
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| 22:26.12 | hitlin37 | so the processude is proof and then application. and them i can relax |
| 22:26.16 | VarunAgw | derdon, maybe gamer |
| 22:26.35 | hitlin37 | s/procedure |
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| 22:27.05 | gammer | derdon: why?) did u meant my english so bad?)) |
| 22:27.13 | olly | hitlin37: then you can watch out for comments and questions from the mentors and respond to them |
| 22:27.22 | gammer | n.b. GAMMER, that's right, not gammer, not grammar) |
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| 22:27.46 | derdon | gammer: sorry, didn't want to sound offensive |
| 22:27.58 | gevaerts | Well... |
| 22:28.05 | gevaerts | English has words like "you" in it |
| 22:29.41 | Taggnostr | do I have to submit the proof of enrollment before being able to submit the proposal? |
| 22:29.50 | derdon | yes |
| 22:29.55 | olly | !u | gammer |
| 22:29.55 | gsocbot | gammer: "u" is the chemical symbol for Uranium, a silvery-white metallic chemical element in the actinide series of the periodic table with atomic number 92 |
| 22:30.21 | Taggnostr | derdon, ok, thanks again |
| 22:30.28 | derdon | olly: is there something gsocbot doesn't have an answer for? |
| 22:30.41 | olly | there are many things it shouldn't have an answer for |
| 22:30.45 | gevaerts | !unanswerable |
| 22:30.53 | gammer | derdon: don't mind, i like all the critic sounds directly to me)) |
| 22:30.57 | gevaerts | derdon: yes |
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| 22:31.25 | gammer | olly, gsocbot oh, thanks, just a bad habbit ( |
| 22:31.30 | gammer | i'm sorry |
| 22:31.58 | olly | !forget |
| 22:31.59 | gsocbot | olly: (forget [<channel>] <key> [<number>|*]) -- Removes the factoid <key> from the factoids database. If there are more than one factoid with such a key, a number is necessary to determine which one should be removed. A * can be used to remove all factoids associated with a key. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 22:32.10 | olly | ah, interesting |
| 22:32.19 | olly | so that factoid is particularly useless |
| 22:32.30 | gevaerts | !learn forget as let's see if this works |
| 22:32.30 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "forget" is (#1) not to remember anything anymore., or (#2) let's see if this works |
| 22:32.32 | olly | gsocbot: whatis forget |
| 22:32.32 | gsocbot | olly: "forget" is (#1) not to remember anything anymore., or (#2) let's see if this works |
| 22:32.37 | gevaerts | Ah, I see :) |
| 22:32.42 | olly | gsocbot: forget forget * |
| 22:32.43 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:33.22 | derdon | reading "forget *" makes me think "ah yes, that's me!" |
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| 22:33.55 | gevaerts | !forget derdon |
| 22:33.55 | gsocbot | gevaerts: Error: There is no such factoid. |
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| 22:35.18 | derdon | I don't even exist, I wasn't worth remembering :( |
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| 22:37.39 | olly | !gnome |
| 22:37.40 | gsocbot | olly: "gnome" is (#1) a small humanoid statue for gardens, or (#2) GNOME is not a small humanoid statue for gardens |
| 22:37.48 | olly | !forget gnome |
| 22:37.48 | gsocbot | olly: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 22:37.51 | olly | !forget gnome * |
| 22:37.51 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:39.40 | gammer | !u |
| 22:39.40 | gsocbot | gammer: "u" is the chemical symbol for Uranium, a silvery-white metallic chemical element in the actinide series of the periodic table with atomic number 92 |
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| 22:39.57 | gammer | !music |
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| 22:40.23 | olly | !botabuse | gammer |
| 22:40.24 | gsocbot | gammer: "botabuse" is (#1) If you want to play with the bot, please do so in a private /query so as not to spam the channel, or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> |
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| 22:46.10 | gammer | oh, how it's cool to work Google, it's seems for me now like mission impossible :D |
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| 22:51.44 | hitlin37 | does the id must be scanned or good mobile picture is enough |
| 22:52.10 | terri | hitlin37: as far as I've heard, mobile as fine as long as it's legible. |
| 22:52.33 | hitlin37 | thanks terri |
| 22:52.50 | hitlin37 | 8mp camera on mobile gives good enough picture |
| 22:53.24 | terri | yeah, I was just wondering if my camera is actually higher resolution than my (much older) scanner. |
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| 22:56.36 | pchaigno | Hi all! Are mentors notified when we update our proposal? |
| 22:57.00 | derdon | yes, they get an e-mail each time |
| 22:57.17 | derdon | well, the mentors who belong to this project. not all mentors in general ;) |
| 22:57.19 | KolibriOS|yogev | derdon: Actually no, there is a bug and we still don't |
| 22:57.34 | derdon | oh, ok. didn't know that because I'm not a mentor ;) |
| 22:57.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | derdon: We get a notification on new proposals and on new comments, but not on update proposals |
| 22:57.42 | derdon | I only heard of it from other mentors |
| 22:57.49 | terri | KolibriOS|yogev: Oh, phew ,I was just going to ask becaus eI haven't seen a single one. |
| 22:58.01 | derdon | sorry for the confusion then |
| 22:58.04 | KolibriOS|yogev | derdon: We should but we don't because of a bug |
| 22:58.12 | derdon | ah, I see |
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| 22:58.51 | KolibriOS|yogev | pchaigno: Just add a comment to the proposal that says you have updated it, your mentor will get notification on the comment and this way check the proposal :-) |
| 22:59.48 | pchaigno | KolibriOS|yogev: Thanks. I'll do it :-) |
| 23:00.24 | kblin | whoa |
| 23:00.35 | kblin | clear case of http://i.imgur.com/JcrwDOJ.jpg indeed |
| 23:01.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | kblin: Well, the last minute is in 20 hours or so :-) |
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| 23:02.19 | kblin | still |
| 23:02.25 | kblin | anyway, bedtime |
| 23:02.32 | olly | pchaigno: it's a good idea to explain briefly what you changed too, as we can't see that |
| 23:02.47 | pchaigno | kblin: You say that because of me? |
| 23:03.15 | pchaigno | olly: That's what I'm doing :-) |
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| 23:37.08 | agliodbs | !next |
| 23:37.09 | gsocbot | agliodbs: "next" is Student applications close for GSoC 2014 on 21 March, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 23:38.50 | mbt | Hi, |
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