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| 01:31.24 | bePolite | Hey |
| 01:31.33 | bePolite | I am appying for this very competitive project |
| 01:31.50 | bePolite | I wonder what I can do to gain the interest of the mentors |
| 01:32.21 | meflin | involed with the whole org and patch and talk about the code |
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| 03:01.44 | rnat | As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of May 27, 2013, you are eligible to participate in the program. |
| 03:01.52 | rnat | i dont get it |
| 03:02.05 | rnat | what is the date for 2014 candidates |
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| 03:06.17 | stqism | rnat: take the link you used and change 2013 to 2014 in the URL |
| 03:06.31 | stqism | rnat: Off the top of my head, it's April |
| 03:06.50 | Slurpee | Thank you gnome for the update :) |
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| 03:11.15 | stqism | !faq rnat |
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| 03:11.19 | stqism | !faq | rnat |
| 03:11.20 | gsocbot | rnat: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 04:29.31 | dhart | I'd like to check with an admin: are multiple proposals by the same student for the same org permissible? A student would like to use the Melange feedback system to help decide where to make the best effort. |
| 04:29.49 | umccullough | yep |
| 04:29.50 | umccullough | up to 5 |
| 04:30.13 | stqism | 5 total, with every org. |
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| 04:31.00 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#6._Can_a_student_submit_more_than_one |
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| 04:40.08 | umccullough | stqism, don't you belong in #mdo with the rest of us? |
| 04:40.31 | umccullough | oh, nevermind |
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| 06:13.57 | dhart | umccullough: stqism: thanks! |
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| 06:15.58 | harshit93 | !logs |
| 06:15.59 | gsocbot | harshit93: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 06:31.17 | Dragooon | Any MediaWiki mentors around? |
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| 06:38.15 | olly | !anyone | Dragooon |
| 06:38.15 | gsocbot | Dragooon: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 |
| 06:39.26 | Dragooon | I feel I've heard this bot do this to me before |
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| 07:02.23 | rohits134 | Hello |
| 07:02.27 | rohits134 | I want to apply for sympy |
| 07:02.32 | rohits134 | Does anyone have any advice for me |
| 07:03.42 | novochen | hi rohits134, I think you can refer to the gsoc page of sympy |
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| 07:03.54 | rohits134 | Yes, I have |
| 07:04.06 | rohits134 | But, I want some advice like who all should apply |
| 07:04.09 | rohits134 | I am a python novice |
| 07:04.20 | rohits134 | I don't know if I will be up to the task |
| 07:04.32 | rohits134 | I have done some projects in python |
| 07:04.35 | rohits134 | but they are small ones |
| 07:04.39 | novochen | you can contact the mentor directly |
| 07:04.44 | rohits134 | Okay |
| 07:04.48 | rohits134 | But how do I contact him? |
| 07:04.55 | rohits134 | Send him an email? |
| 07:05.00 | novochen | yes |
| 07:05.04 | novochen | or via mailing list |
| 07:05.04 | rohits134 | Okay! Thanks! |
| 07:05.20 | novochen | IRC may be another option |
| 07:05.23 | novochen | yw ;P |
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| 07:08.13 | rohits134 | I have joined the sympy channel |
| 07:08.22 | rohits134 | but there seems to be no one active there |
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| 10:19.46 | Rovanion | Is the registration for students closed? |
| 10:21.47 | olly | Rovanion: it doesn't open for another day or two |
| 10:22.23 | Rovanion | olly: Ha, the site made my heart rate go up quite a bit: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2013 |
| 10:22.28 | olly | you can start talking to orgs you're interested in though |
| 10:22.32 | Rovanion | "Students |
| 10:22.33 | olly | Rovanion: try 2014... |
| 10:22.34 | Rovanion | Registration is already closed. " |
| 10:22.58 | olly | you are definitely too late for GSoC 2013 |
| 10:23.03 | Rovanion | olly: Well atleast we've established that I'm not the brightest |
| 10:23.17 | Nilabhra | Rovanion: better luck....this time |
| 10:23.49 | olly | manage to invoice a client for 2013 instead of 2014 recently |
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| 10:24.47 | Nilabhra | pats olly on the back |
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| 10:25.00 | olly | i;ve noticed a few people reading the 2013 FAQ or similar thouhg |
| 10:25.21 | Nilabhra | olly: happens .... |
| 10:25.34 | olly | i guess if you search for gsoc faq, you can easily get an old one |
| 10:25.34 | Rovanion | A huge red banner saying "This is old info" would help us thoughtless |
| 10:26.16 | olly | yeah, i was wondering about suggesting something like that |
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| 10:30.32 | Rovanion | How are nicks looked upon? Of course the real name must be known but can the contributions be signed under a pseudonym just like previous commits? |
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| 10:31.31 | olly | that's up to the org |
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| 11:26.04 | lemarc | where can I see the list of projects for GSoC 2014? |
| 11:26.48 | Strangerke | lemarc: On melange |
| 11:27.01 | Strangerke | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 11:28.21 | lemarc | I cant see it on the link you gave, Strangerke |
| 11:29.42 | cff | lemarc: You have to go to each organization and see their project ideas! |
| 11:29.51 | lemarc | cff, ok thanks |
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| 12:10.45 | abhinavsv3 | Hi , I am new to GSoC and want to participate in it . Can I have a brief on what Student Propsal is ? and Student applications Period . |
| 12:10.58 | abhinavsv3 | *anyone |
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| 12:11.43 | abhinavsv3 | *Can anyone brief on what Student Propsal is ? and Student applications Period . |
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| 12:12.20 | gevaerts | !studentguide | abhinavsv3 |
| 12:12.20 | gsocbot | abhinavsv3: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 12:12.24 | gevaerts | !faq | abhinavsv3 |
| 12:12.25 | gsocbot | abhinavsv3: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 12:12.32 | gevaerts | Those two should get you started |
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| 12:15.52 | abhinavsv3 | Thank you . If we apply / submit proposals earlier what is the advantage ? |
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| 12:17.22 | gevaerts | Formally applying early probably doesn't matter much (except of course that it reduces your risk of missing the deadline if e.g. you're suddenly offline in the last few days), but talking to the organisation early gives you more time to get feedback on what you're proposing |
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| 12:19.51 | abhinavsv3 | ok . also if I have submitted can I alter it till the deadline date ? |
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| 12:20.28 | gevaerts | Yes |
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| 12:20.58 | abhinavsv3 | Thank you gevaerts . |
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| 12:23.47 | abhinavsv3 | Where can I view model proposals [ not description of writing a proposal] , not to copy but to have a first look of it .. |
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| 12:26.24 | john123 | Hi! I'd like to know what happenes if under some circumstance I'm unable to complete the project? |
| 12:26.27 | teja | abhinavsv3: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode/SampleApplications/2 |
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| 12:27.42 | gevaerts | john123: then you won't get the money (although you keep any money you already got), and depending on *why* you couldn't complete it yoiu might reduce your chances to get accepted next year with that organisation |
| 12:27.57 | gevaerts | Also, you don't get the tshirt |
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| 12:28.28 | john123 | Oh, thanks. :) |
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| 12:30.07 | abhinavsv3 | I have been talking to 2 organizations and I have not yet fixed a bug. Can I fix it before the end of the dead line ? |
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| 12:30.47 | MyrAchle | abhinavsv3, have you asked them about it? |
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| 12:52.04 | dhanvi | hi |
| 12:52.37 | Niharika | dhanvi: Hi there. |
| 12:52.57 | dhanvi | r u partispating in gsoc |
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| 12:56.15 | Niharika | dhanvi: Yes. |
| 12:56.50 | dhanvi | u r from which country |
| 12:57.00 | Niharika | India. |
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| 12:57.19 | dhanvi | where in india ?? |
| 12:57.55 | Niharika | Delhi. Why are you asking this? |
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| 12:58.31 | novochen | lol |
| 12:58.34 | LordAro | Niharika: they want to steal your skin, obviously |
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| 12:59.05 | Niharika | puts on a spacesuit |
| 13:00.50 | dhanvi | which open source r u working on |
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| 13:01.30 | Niharika | dhanvi: Elaborate, please. |
| 13:01.45 | croozeus | !logs |
| 13:01.46 | gsocbot | croozeus: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 13:05.29 | lemarc | Niharika, is it the first time that you are applying for GSoC? |
| 13:05.42 | Niharika | lemarc: Yep. |
| 13:06.04 | dhanvi | me too |
| 13:06.06 | lemarc | Niharika, what languages do you work on? |
| 13:06.11 | dhanvi | first time |
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| 13:07.12 | dhanvi | anup11894: hi |
| 13:07.30 | Niharika | lemarc: PHP, JS and Python for now. C, C++ too, but only for algorithmic programming. |
| 13:08.08 | anup11894 | hi |
| 13:08.32 | anup11894 | dhanvi |
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| 13:11.21 | d3r1ck | kblin: hello |
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| 13:24.29 | d3r1ck | any link on gsoc application template for me to guide myself with? |
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| 13:25.23 | waldi | d3r1ck: ask the organization you want to apply for |
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| 13:27.05 | MyrAchle | d3r1ck, http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch008_writing-a-proposal/ |
| 13:27.24 | d3r1ck | waldi: i have done so and no reply from them |
| 13:27.36 | d3r1ck | waldi: now i am doing a google search |
| 13:27.45 | d3r1ck | MyrAchle: thanks |
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| 13:32.42 | wiruzx | oops |
| 13:32.49 | wiruzx | wrong channel |
| 13:32.49 | d3r1ck | wiruzx: what is the problem? |
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| 15:50.04 | Egbert9e9 | I suck at writing proposals |
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| 15:54.19 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: why? |
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| 15:57.16 | Egbert9e9 | d3r1ck: I'm not sure how I'd actually complete this or that project |
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| 15:57.31 | Egbert9e9 | d3r1ck: I only had one in mind, that of biohaskell's |
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| 15:59.09 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: then go for it |
| 15:59.54 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: write a proposal for it |
| 16:00.10 | Egbert9e9 | the guy mentoring it was so discouraged he said he only got some t-shirts |
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| 16:00.48 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: what? |
| 16:01.01 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: are you interested in the money or t-shirts? |
| 16:01.16 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: but are you sure the guy was right? |
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| 16:01.49 | meflin | mentors always only get tshirts |
| 16:01.51 | Egbert9e9 | could you explain the money bit for a bit? do the mentors get money as well? |
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| 16:02.12 | meflin | org's get some small moneys not mentors |
| 16:02.16 | Egbert9e9 | oh |
| 16:02.18 | Egbert9e9 | dang |
| 16:02.47 | meflin | $500 per slot/project |
| 16:02.59 | Egbert9e9 | ah |
| 16:03.00 | Egbert9e9 | cool |
| 16:03.16 | d3r1ck | meflin: do the explanation. |
| 16:03.25 | d3r1ck | meflin: i am quite busy now |
| 16:03.32 | meflin | heh ok :) |
| 16:03.33 | Egbert9e9 | i got it |
| 16:04.03 | Egbert9e9 | each project has a few slots for students. |
| 16:04.20 | Egbert9e9 | each student is 500 USD for their respective project |
| 16:04.22 | meflin | I'm just here for the tshirts ... I only use G-shirts for quite some time ;) |
| 16:04.35 | Egbert9e9 | that's cool :| |
| 16:04.39 | d3r1ck | Egbert9e9: at the end of your project, you will have end about 5500 USD |
| 16:04.51 | Egbert9e9 | i'm here for the knowledge :| |
| 16:05.02 | meflin | that was a bit of a joke ;) |
| 16:05.45 | meflin | are your sure your mentor is discouraged? |
| 16:05.58 | Egbert9e9 | he's not my mentor |
| 16:06.15 | Egbert9e9 | (i just want him as my mentor) |
| 16:06.20 | meflin | heh |
| 16:06.34 | meflin | so your issue exactly is what? |
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| 16:07.09 | abhinavsv3 | Hey . I have been in contact with 2 organization and not yet fixed a bug , Should I put up some proposal before that ? |
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| 16:07.34 | meflin | abhinavsv3: yes but continue on with the bug fixing as well |
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| 16:09.35 | Egbert9e9 | i'm not quite there in the terms of technical knowledge. it says "Needs somebody with a bit (or a lot) of experience optimizing Haskell, and good knowledge of high-perf libraries (like vector)" |
| 16:09.50 | Egbert9e9 | but i would REALLY like to learn such things |
| 16:10.15 | Egbert9e9 | "not quite there" is an understatement |
| 16:10.34 | meflin | engage with your org and get there :) |
| 16:10.44 | Egbert9e9 | hmm.. |
| 16:10.52 | meflin | be commited |
| 16:11.47 | meflin | you are probably under-rating yourself ... but the only way to be sure is to give it all you got |
| 16:12.11 | meflin | worst case you get better |
| 16:12.23 | meflin | brb |
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| 16:13.50 | degasus | When will it be decided how many "slots" each organization may get? |
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| 16:17.15 | Niharika | degasus: After the application period is over. |
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| 16:20.35 | degasus | Niharika: Do organisations have to choose which of their project/students they want to get? |
| 16:21.12 | Niharika | degasus: Yes. And then they request a specific number of slots from google. They may/ma not get that many slots. |
| 16:22.28 | meflin | back |
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| 16:26.10 | cnj_ | !log | Palash |
| 16:26.11 | gsocbot | cnj_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 16:32.50 | Palash | wonders why cnj_ wants to see my logs. |
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| 16:37.37 | VaticanCameos | degasus: Older organizations tend to get more slots, or so I've heard. |
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| 16:38.22 | meflin | slots depend on many many things |
| 16:39.44 | Palash | any chances Institutions who got selected for the first time getting more than 1-2 seats? |
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| 16:40.50 | meflin | not much |
| 16:41.06 | meflin | mentoring is very hard you need xp to learn this truth |
| 16:42.48 | Palash | okay ! |
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| 16:44.06 | degasus | Which one is the common way for well known projects? They get less applications then ideas or less slots then good students? |
| 16:44.28 | meflin | you always get more apps then idea's ;) |
| 16:44.50 | meflin | good students? it varries |
| 16:45.10 | meflin | I've both given a slot back ( no good student ) and wished I has asked for 1 more |
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| 16:48.32 | degasus | I still hope there aren't that much other good students on the project I want to apply ;) |
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| 16:49.11 | meflin | this isn't a lottery .. BE the good student |
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| 16:49.31 | umccullough | it does take some effort, you can't really just "hope" |
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| 16:58.01 | MindfulMonk | Hi, I'm graduating in July this year, from what I googled I can apply for gsoc right? |
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| 16:58.31 | Niharika | MindfulMonk: Yep. |
| 16:58.44 | umccullough | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#2._Whos_eligible_to_participate_as_a |
| 17:00.26 | umccullough | actually, i meant: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#8._I_graduate_in_the_middle_of_the |
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| 17:03.54 | MindfulMonk | are there any statistics on gsoc? how many projects per year there are, how many students apply, which are more popular than other? |
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| 17:08.07 | umccullough | !numapps |
| 17:08.07 | gsocbot | umccullough: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 17:08.22 | umccullough | note, that 117/417 is wrong, it's supposed to be 177 |
| 17:09.12 | MindfulMonk | so a lot of students apply for mostly 1 place? |
| 17:09.25 | umccullough | yes |
| 17:09.30 | umccullough | well, not necessarily |
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| 17:09.38 | MindfulMonk | and only 1 in 4 gets in, not bad odds |
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| 17:09.46 | umccullough | sometimes students apply and the orgs simply don't accept them because the quality of their proposal is poor |
| 17:09.59 | umccullough | trust me, there's a lot of "spam" submissions |
| 17:10.09 | MindfulMonk | why would you do that?! |
| 17:10.10 | umccullough | students who don't actually intend to do anything, just get paid |
| 17:10.16 | MindfulMonk | oh |
| 17:10.32 | umccullough | getting accepted earns a student $500 initially |
| 17:10.40 | umccullough | so even if they do no work, they get that for being accepted |
| 17:11.01 | MindfulMonk | I see, thanks for being so helpful :) |
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| 17:20.37 | meflin | this isn't a lottery .. BE the good student |
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| 17:22.46 | MindfulMonk | well it isn't a lottery, but luck always plays its role |
| 17:23.02 | meflin | no it doesn't |
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| 17:24.37 | wiruzx | Is there a way to know just how many slots allocated for the project? |
| 17:24.58 | meflin | they havent even been alocated |
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| 17:25.20 | wiruzx | and whet it will be? |
| 17:25.38 | PulkoMandy | after the students make the proposals |
| 17:25.45 | PulkoMandy | don't wait for that, or it will be too late |
| 17:26.53 | wiruzx | I've already made my proposal. But I can't send it before March 10 |
| 17:27.11 | meflin | so dont wory about slots just be the best student you can be |
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| 17:29.40 | wiruzx | I'm not worried about my skills and knowledge, but worried about I can not tell about it well. I'm not very good in speaking English |
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| 17:30.26 | meflin | your english seems fine to me ( native ) |
| 17:30.39 | meflin | like many natives I only speak bad-english |
| 17:30.42 | PulkoMandy | you can show it in other ways |
| 17:31.01 | meflin | fix bugs get involved |
| 17:31.03 | PulkoMandy | start submitting patches, be active on ML and/or IRC for your org, etc |
| 17:31.36 | meflin | you can also ask for help with your proposal :D |
| 17:31.49 | wiruzx | I've already made ​​a few pull requests |
| 17:32.38 | wiruzx | Can you check my proposal? https://gist.github.com/wiruzx/819074aba26da64a4c8f |
| 17:32.57 | meflin | that wont do much good since that isn't my project ;) |
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| 17:33.36 | meflin | altho that is very very sparse on words |
| 17:34.01 | PulkoMandy | yes, this looks short |
| 17:34.05 | wiruzx | that's my problem |
| 17:34.11 | PulkoMandy | have you looked at proposals from previous years? |
| 17:34.15 | PulkoMandy | some are public |
| 17:34.46 | MindfulMonk | if I'm correct in the proposal you should tell a bit about yourself and write a bit more what you want to do? |
| 17:34.52 | meflin | you need much more detail .. on the timeline and why you want to do this and what you are going to do |
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| 17:37.45 | meflin | wiruzx: I wouldn't wory about the lang issues .. I had a student a few years back from the ukrain lots of google translate at the start\ |
| 17:37.46 | wiruzx | I just have no idea how you can describe some things, such as iPad version. It's either all very obvious. Or so many things that just can not describe. |
| 17:38.11 | MindfulMonk | wiruzx, just because its obvious to you, it might not be so obvious to the other person |
| 17:38.44 | meflin | we chose him anyway |
| 17:39.44 | MindfulMonk | wiruzx, I'm currently writing my dissertation, here is an example http://homepages.abdn.ac.uk/f.guerin/pages/teaching/CS4PRO/past_projects/Kindness_Peter.pdf |
| 17:39.50 | MindfulMonk | maybe you will find something useful in that |
| 17:40.16 | akki2200 | So what happens after 21st ? When will org select the students? |
| 17:40.24 | wiruzx | Okay, thank you all, I will try to write anything else |
| 17:40.26 | meflin | see timeline |
| 17:40.33 | MindfulMonk | akki2200, https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 17:41.51 | akki2200 | Yea i saw that i its in april i think |
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| 17:42.11 | akki2200 | So until then org wont decide whom to select? |
| 17:42.38 | meflin | we decide when we decide :D .. but not later then that |
| 17:43.05 | MindfulMonk | meflin, what organization are you in? |
| 17:43.22 | meflin | Python and SyncDifferent |
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| 17:44.57 | wiruzx | nice name :) |
| 17:45.10 | meflin | each org has its own selection process so when they decide varrys |
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| 17:49.19 | banda | hello i want to know can i applay more than one roject of the same company |
| 17:49.30 | meflin | you can |
| 17:49.43 | meflin | but its not a company |
| 17:50.19 | banda | ? |
| 17:50.29 | Abhi001 | hey how to make proposal for gsoc? i tried my best but couldn't find good answer.. |
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| 17:51.29 | meflin | banda: the org's are not ( usually ) companys projects full of volunteers |
| 17:51.39 | MindfulMonk | banda they are not companies, but organizations ;) |
| 17:52.01 | MindfulMonk | Abhi001, you can apply from tomorrow |
| 17:52.52 | Abhi001 | Mindfulmonk, but what to do |
| 17:53.13 | Abhi001 | I mean to say how to make a proposal? |
| 17:53.26 | Abhi001 | what can i do for it?? |
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| 17:53.42 | MindfulMonk | Abhi001, take a look here http://www.di.ens.fr/~baghdadi/TXT_blog/5_advices_to_get_your_proposal_accepted.lyx.html |
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| 17:54.41 | banda | actually my problem is i was interested in for one project of an organization but when i talk to them i found it bit difficult to handle them and i want to swith to another project of the same organization will be creating negative image |
| 17:54.41 | Partiallogic | Hi there, are there any restrictions on applying to this years gsoc if I failed my final evaluation in the 2013 edition? |
| 17:55.05 | meflin | Partiallogic: nope |
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| 17:55.23 | Partiallogic | meflin: Thanks |
| 17:55.37 | meflin | be up front about that and why |
| 17:56.08 | Partiallogic | meflin: Of course |
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| 17:59.13 | banda | will the every project ideas given by the organization will be allowed(given slot) |
| 18:00.00 | meflin | nope |
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| 18:00.34 | meflin | banda: you need to stop thinking this way .. just be the best student |
| 18:01.07 | meflin | every idea CAN have a slot in the end if the right student shows up |
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| 18:01.52 | banda | meflin:Thanks |
| 18:02.12 | meflin | as a student what you need to do is prove you are the right student ;) |
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| 18:03.50 | bipul | ,time |
| 18:03.55 | bipul | ]time |
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| 18:04.06 | bipul | ;time |
| 18:04.10 | bipul | !time |
| 18:04.10 | gsocbot | bipul: "time" is http://xkcd.com/now |
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| 18:05.42 | CFS-MP3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.00 | CFS-MP3 | no point in making people wait until April 21st if the decision is made earlier |
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| 18:06.37 | akki2200 | Yea that would be better |
| 18:07.47 | meflin | its not that simple always |
| 18:08.32 | CFS-MP3 | wiruzx that's not my project but I can tell you that your proposal as-is won't get you anywhere |
| 18:09.22 | wiruzx | CFS-MP3: thanks, trying fix that now |
| 18:10.11 | CFS-MP3 | meflin usually the difficulty is selecting the ones you keep, but for some proposals you know very quickly that you won't accept their writers |
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| 18:10.32 | CFS-MP3 | we will tell them as soon as we can so they can make other plans |
| 18:10.48 | meflin | I feel so schooled :P |
| 18:12.39 | akki2200 | So if more than one student is competing for selection on same idea and they have good proposal the org will w8 till last day in april? |
| 18:12.53 | meflin | it depends |
| 18:14.03 | meflin | as a student dont wory about that just be the best student you can be |
| 18:14.43 | CFS-MP3 | akki2200 for us yes. I'm afraid we'll only have 2 slots and I'm already losing sleep... there's 4 students I already like (they haven't sent a proposal yet, but they've been digging into the code and speaking their minds -even correcting a couple bugs-)... it really seems like a last minute decision |
| 18:16.08 | MindfulMonk | so if I didn't contribute yet to an organization I think to applying, then I'm in a bad spot? |
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| 18:16.31 | meflin | it helps but is not required |
| 18:16.40 | CFS-MP3 | MindfulMonk no, why? You're probably a bit late, but the proposal period ends on the 21st |
| 18:16.53 | meflin | proof of work/commitment does help alot |
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| 18:17.11 | CFS-MP3 | however I think you should submit drafts, ask (clever) questions, etc, before you submit your final revision |
| 18:17.37 | CFS-MP3 | writing the proposal without any kind of discussions with orgs is possibly a recipe for disaster |
| 18:17.38 | meflin | this |
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| 18:18.04 | MindfulMonk | there is also a problem for me that I like about 20 organizations, and don't really feel my skills are good enough for most |
| 18:18.17 | MindfulMonk | but maybe its just my fear |
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| 18:18.38 | meflin | choose one :D just about all students do not think they are good enough .. there is even a FAQ entry for that |
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| 18:19.47 | CFS-MP3 | MindfulMonk don't spread yourself too thin |
| 18:20.02 | CFS-MP3 | first, you can submit a max of 5 proposals |
| 18:20.17 | MindfulMonk | there is a lot of fun linux ones(fedora, debian), musicbrainz is great, some ruby projects and I would like to try with python, but its a long time since I did anything with it |
| 18:20.20 | CFS-MP3 | but if you think you're not good enough then maybe you should put all the effort in just one |
| 18:20.26 | MindfulMonk | oh only 5, well then its simple |
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| 18:20.46 | meflin | more then 2 is insane |
| 18:20.56 | CFS-MP3 | Yes, I agree with meflin |
| 18:21.44 | meflin | personaly I would only go with 1 and give it all you got |
| 18:22.00 | umccullough | i think 2 is reasonable if the one you're going for is saturated with other proposals |
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| 18:22.13 | umccullough | 1 main proposal and 1 backup |
| 18:22.34 | olasd | the key to success is to engage with the mentors early |
| 18:22.40 | olasd | IMO at least |
| 18:22.42 | umccullough | if they're for hte same org, at least all the work you put into showing them your skills can overlap :) |
| 18:22.45 | MindfulMonk | is it a good idea to propose your own project or is it better to find an org that has projects listed you like? |
| 18:22.46 | meflin | s/mentors/org/ |
| 18:23.04 | umccullough | MindfulMonk, a lot of the best projects are proposed by the student |
| 18:23.11 | umccullough | rather than from an ideas list |
| 18:23.23 | meflin | but you had best kick some major ass on your own idea ;) |
| 18:23.29 | umccullough | indeed |
| 18:23.38 | umccullough | you gotta be an "A" player at that point |
| 18:24.23 | meflin | I've seen it myself ... we didn't even know we needed X until the proposal , and it blew us away and so did the student |
| 18:24.37 | umccullough | yes |
| 18:24.55 | umccullough | i don't remember, but I think the 64-bit port of Haiku was done that way |
| 18:25.03 | meflin | dang |
| 18:25.10 | umccullough | although, it might have been on our ideas list already, i don't remember |
| 18:25.21 | meflin | either way that is hard core |
| 18:25.29 | umccullough | indeed, student did an awesome job |
| 18:26.07 | umccullough | anyhow, bbl |
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| 18:27.32 | meflin | students do not get discouraged by that exchange |
| 18:27.47 | meflin | we are not asking you to port a whole os ;) |
| 18:28.14 | meflin | well unless we are |
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| 18:31.52 | MindfulMonk | syncdiff page has an application template https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/syncdiff |
| 18:32.06 | meflin | and ? |
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| 18:32.21 | MindfulMonk | maybe someone is interested :) |
| 18:32.42 | meflin | melange has templates as well ;) |
| 18:33.30 | meflin | hmm that is melange heh |
| 18:34.28 | MindfulMonk | ruby 12 projects, python 52 |
| 18:34.34 | meflin | that is specific to the org ... but I have to agree being admin an all ;) |
| 18:34.56 | meflin | MindfulMonk: not a usefull indicator |
| 18:35.06 | MindfulMonk | meflin, just for fun |
| 18:35.31 | meflin | you need to find the idea you WANT to do |
| 18:35.36 | MindfulMonk | still though I see a lot more python in open source world than ruby |
| 18:36.18 | meflin | that is true but .. so? |
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| 18:36.41 | MindfulMonk | just an observation |
| 18:36.43 | meflin | are we going to argue c vs c++ next? |
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| 18:36.55 | abhi001 | hei how to contact org.?? |
| 18:37.03 | MindfulMonk | it isn't about better :) |
| 18:37.17 | meflin | abhi001: its on the org page in melange ( each has there own ways ) |
| 18:37.32 | yatharth01 | abhi001: irc channels or mailing lists |
| 18:38.33 | banda | what is use of mailing list? |
| 18:38.41 | cnj_ | abhi001: Check out Org page on melange, Check ideas and mentors and their contact details |
| 18:38.50 | meflin | banda: comunication? |
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| 18:39.17 | banda | how |
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| 18:39.33 | meflin | banda: send an email? |
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| 18:40.04 | banda | they send an email to my mail address |
| 18:40.18 | cnj_ | banda: mailing list has collection of recipients which can be used to send email to many at once |
| 18:40.56 | crt__ | hi. I have seen everyone saying to contact the org. So, is it okay to contact the mentor or I have to contact the org admin too? |
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| 18:42.52 | cnj_ | crt_: It depends upon the Org's policy some orgs prefer to contact both while some to only mentors |
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| 18:43.58 | crt__ | cnj_: My preferred org doesn't list any such instruction. Any suggestions? |
| 18:43.59 | banda | if we taking to them through IRC how will they know us |
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| 18:45.18 | cnj_ | banda: You may introduce yourself on IRC |
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| 18:45.49 | crt__ | Also, if a mentor is interested in me is there still a chance of me not getting selected? I mean do mentors have a say in students' selection |
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| 18:46.37 | cnj_ | crt_: Your org might have listed how to contact. If they say mailing list or irc channel then it is to contact in group but if they provide individual email then directly to mentor |
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| 18:48.09 | CFS-MP3 | crt__ slots are limited so yes even if one specific mentor wants you there's a chance there might no be an slot for you |
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| 18:48.56 | crt__ | CFS-MP3: okay. thanks |
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| 18:53.14 | MindfulMonk | thanks meflin and CFS-MP3 it seems I figured out which 2 orgs fit me best ;) |
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| 18:56.06 | bipul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.06 | meflin | its not yet time |
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| 18:58.07 | bipul | meflin, but today is 10th March |
| 18:58.41 | MindfulMonk | bipul, March 10, 2014, 7 p.m. UTC. |
| 18:58.43 | teepee | not everywhere yet ;) |
| 18:58.45 | meflin | correct for UTC |
| 18:59.00 | meflin | its only 9 here :P |
| 18:59.20 | bipul | ok. |
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| 18:59.50 | bipul | But I am waiting :) to take participate :D |
| 19:00.59 | gevaerts | umccullough: you can fix that number, you know :) |
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| 19:06.05 | abc_ | hello every one... |
| 19:06.45 | meflin | hi |
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| 19:07.48 | abc_ | i'm new to irc. |
| 19:08.10 | meflin | its good stuff ... |
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| 19:09.30 | LordAro | i joined irc once... |
| 19:09.33 | LordAro | i'm still here |
| 19:09.42 | LordAro | that was about 3 years ago :) |
| 19:09.49 | meflin | LordAro: idler :P |
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| 19:09.54 | DogeHayashi | irc is a pretty cool guy |
| 19:09.58 | abc_ | i'm using webchat. what are you using for irc? |
| 19:10.39 | meflin | there are many clients see www.irchelp.org |
| 19:10.39 | DogeHayashi | irssi, but that's a command line/text based client |
| 19:10.44 | abc_ | any suggestion for irc clients for me? |
| 19:10.45 | DogeHayashi | what do you use, LordAro |
| 19:11.00 | LordAro | xchat |
| 19:11.02 | rubbersheep | what OS do you use abc_? |
| 19:11.03 | meflin | abc_: not without a lot of info about your OS/env |
| 19:11.10 | abc_ | win 7 |
| 19:11.11 | LordAro | ( and znc) |
| 19:11.32 | LordAro | i tend to use kvirc when on windows |
| 19:11.34 | DogeHayashi | xchat is pretty portable, though you have to get things like hexchat or custom builds of xchat for windows |
| 19:11.37 | rubbersheep | checkout a xchat (an older version, not the current one) its free |
| 19:11.49 | meflin | abc_: check irchelp.org but probably mirc :(.... |
| 19:11.49 | gevaerts | uses MSN Messenger 3.11 For WorkGroups |
| 19:11.57 | DogeHayashi | I used to use xchat before I became an irssi nut |
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| 19:13.59 | abc_ | xchat is older and not being updated from long time... |
| 19:14.20 | gevaerts | Well, either that or a client that allows changing the ctcp version reply :) |
| 19:14.56 | LordAro | abc_: that just means it's "finished" :p |
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| 19:15.10 | PulkoMandy | kvirc works reasonably well on windows |
| 19:15.13 | MindfulMonk | Please do not use xchat, please switch to hexchat |
| 19:15.42 | MindfulMonk | or http://quassel-irc.org/ |
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| 19:18.09 | ggherdov_ | ehy meflin, I am the admin for mercurial at GSoC. You wanted to alert us on some bad entries somewhere? |
| 19:18.25 | meflin | yes PM |
| 19:18.31 | ggherdov_ | ok |
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| 19:22.53 | abhinavsv3 | HI , I have contacted 2 Organiations . Talked with them , but I am yet to fix a bg. Can I write and submit my Proposal ? |
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| 19:24.54 | gevaerts | abhinavsv3: that depends. Will your proposal consist of you repeating the same question over and over? If so, don't bother... |
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| 19:26.22 | meflin | abhinavsv3: or you could be awesome ... we love awesome |
| 19:29.02 | FrejaValk | awesome is the best |
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| 19:29.40 | gevaerts | I don't know. Last time I looked at awesome it seemed to be impossible to configure to do what I wanted :) |
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| 20:07.13 | ggherdov_ | hi, is this channel logged? |
| 20:07.31 | kblin | !logs | ggherdov_ |
| 20:07.31 | gsocbot | ggherdov_: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 20:07.40 | ggherdov_ | thanks kblin |
| 20:12.58 | mayorga | Hi guys! I've got a doubt. Must mentors register on Menlange site? |
| 20:13.10 | kblin | yes |
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| 20:14.53 | mtae | Hello, could anyone tell me the minimum level of coding experience you need to have a reasonable chance of getting selected in GSOC? |
| 20:15.38 | olly | !amigoodenough | mtae |
| 20:15.38 | gsocbot | mtae: "amigoodenough" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch003_am-i-good-enough/ |
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| 20:16.41 | mtae | olly: thanks! |
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| 20:25.14 | pchr8 | That amigoodenough page is interesting on many levels, thanks from me too :) |
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| 20:43.02 | olly | pchr8: the rest of that manual is worth reading too |
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| 20:46.25 | pchr8 | olly: doing that right now :) That was part of the "many levels" |
| 20:46.34 | pchr8 | Strange I missed it before |
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| 20:50.44 | pchr8 | "Each student can send up to 5 proposals" -- that includes multiple proposals to one org, right? |
| 20:50.59 | meflin | yes |
| 20:51.25 | meflin | the more proposals the more thin you spread yourself |
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| 20:52.11 | manofsnow | I'm not sure you would want them to be the same proposal, however. |
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| 20:54.15 | libergeekingkid_ | can some body guide me regarding selection of projects to work up on. |
| 20:54.20 | pchr8 | stop; formulated the question ambiguosly even to myself. If hypothetically I send 5 proposals to one org I won't be able to send any more? |
| 20:55.03 | gevaerts | pchr8: that's correct |
| 20:55.17 | pchr8 | I see, thanks :) |
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| 21:06.58 | olly | pchr8: i would recommend asking the org about it before sending more than one to the same org |
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| 21:07.55 | olly | writing a good proposal takes a significant effort, so if they can guide you towards one of the ones you're interested in, you can probably write a better proposal for that |
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| 21:08.21 | pchr8 | olly: thanks for the advice, I think I'll get in touch with all orgs I find interesting before sending them formally anything |
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| 21:08.47 | olly | yeah, it's definitely good to talk to orgs first anyway |
| 21:08.56 | pchr8 | You can change your already sent proposals before April 21, right? I saw this mentioned somewhere but can't find it now |
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| 21:10.53 | downey | pchr8: It's up to the orgs/mentors whether or not to allow edits of the proposals. |
| 21:11.16 | downey | pchr8: each proposal individually can be given that option at their discretion |
| 21:11.26 | olly | you can change them up to the submission deadline |
| 21:11.36 | olly | don't expect to be allowed to edit it after than |
| 21:11.49 | olly | it's really annoying to be pestered by students about that |
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| 21:13.13 | pchr8 | I see, thanks, will keep in mind |
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| 21:20.29 | PankajSakariya | hello sir. |
| 21:20.58 | downey | Sir who? :) |
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| 21:23.49 | PankajSakariya | i've doubt.if organization not specified mentor yet then for those project whom should i contact? |
| 21:24.51 | olly | PankajSakariya: contact the org |
| 21:25.45 | olly | unless you're told to, you probably don't want to contact mentors privately anyway |
| 21:26.02 | olly | though that does vary with orgs |
| 21:26.43 | PankajSakariya | thanks olly. |
| 21:27.09 | olly | but speaking for myself at least, if I'm reviewing proposals and you've been discussing privately with a mentor, I won't know about that and so that won't be taken into account |
| 21:27.31 | olly | if it's on the mailing list or irc channel, I can take it into account |
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| 21:29.22 | PankajSakariya | ok.olly. |
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| 21:53.20 | pankaj_cdr | hello |
| 21:53.35 | libergeekingkid_ | PankajSakariya: Which project have you selected to work up on? |
| 21:54.13 | pankaj_cdr | have anyone selected any project for gsoc? |
| 21:55.29 | meflin | yea |
| 21:55.54 | pankaj_cdr | which project? |
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| 21:56.39 | meflin | python and syncdiffrent |
| 21:57.06 | pankaj_cdr | great!! |
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| 21:58.02 | meflin | you have not noticed this this channl isn't all students? |
| 21:58.20 | pankaj_cdr | i have noticed |
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