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02:20.42DaSpirit!faqs
02:20.52DaSpiritHehe I should stop being lazy.
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04:32.50megabitdragoncan an organization administrator act as a mentor as well?
04:33.01meflinyes
04:33.28meflinI do not advise it ... having done it ... almost every time
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04:33.50megabitdragondo you need to change the role in the melange?
04:33.59meflinnope
04:34.07meflinone admin to rule them all ;)
04:34.51megabitdragon;) thanks meflin
04:34.55ollyan admin is a automatically a mentor in melange
04:35.06megabitdragongot it
04:35.07meflindo not spread yourself to thin
04:35.07ollythough i'd also be wary of overloading yourself
04:35.28ollyespecially if you've a lot of students and mentors
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04:36.50megabitdragonwe are first time participants so not too many students
04:37.14meflinits a lot more work then it seems
04:37.25megabitdragonthanks for the heads up
04:38.12meflinbest of luck
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05:25.57bryongood god lemon
05:26.02bryonso many people in this channel
05:26.25thiagonot really
05:26.33thiagothis is only a medium-sized channel
05:26.37bryonwell, compared to other channels i'm in.
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05:30.49edunhambryon: yeah ~300 is on the smaller side of ordinary for a major project on Freenode... ever been to #python?
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05:31.06bryonnein
05:31.11bryonhey, i know you!
05:31.14bryonheh heh
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05:31.39bryoni probably SHOULD camp out in #python
05:32.31meflinbryon: :P its #python-gsoc
05:33.01bryonmeflin: duly noted
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05:37.46strik3rhello, where i can find out previous year student proposals & formats
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05:39.46ajitkr1994_strik3r : http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2013
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05:59.26DharmitHi. I am going through the student guide for gsoc. "Writing a Proposal" section states to check if one meets Google's formal requirements for participation in SoC. Where can I check these formal requirements?
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05:59.55meflin!faq
05:59.55gsocbotmeflin: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page
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06:01.36Dharmitmeflin: Thanks. Will go through it.
06:02.52ollyDharmit: you need to provide proof you're a student when you sign up this year (previously you only needed to do that if you were accepted)
06:03.16ollythe student guide probably hasn't been updated for that
06:03.52Dharmitolly: Oh okay. Thanks for that additional info. As far as I have read Student Guide, it says to check that one meets requirement. So I got eager to read them first before proceeding further. :)
06:04.19ollyit's certainly wise to check now rather than be disappointed after getting excited about it
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06:09.46Dharmitolly: Exactly my reason to check the requirements. I am confused because I am doing a part-time masters course and am employed too.
06:10.11ollymy understanding is you don't have to be a full-time student
06:10.27Dharmityep. part time is okay. but what about the employment part?
06:10.44ollybut having a job and doing gsoc doesn't really work - it's a full-time commitment for the coding period
06:12.05brlcadi.e., you will *very* likely get failed, no matter how much time you think you have
06:12.11stqismRemember, signing up for GSoC and getting chosen without letting your mentoring org know is dishonest, as it takes a LOT of work.
06:12.22ollywe had a student in a previous year who was just doing a few hours a week on the university computer help desk, and he ended up arranging to drop that because it wasn't really working
06:12.55brlcadI forget the stats from a prior year, but a substantial portion of failed students are those that try to participate with other committments, another job being the prime example
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06:12.59ollyhe'd told us in advance in that case
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06:13.29meflindepends on tjhe student
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06:14.02stqismmeflin: Not a lot of people can do school, GSoC, and work.
06:14.14meflintrue
06:14.16stqismOnly so few hours exist in a day.
06:15.17brlcadit usually ends up stressing the student and the mentor relationship suffers
06:15.38stqismWell, 80-100 hours a week isn't an easy feat
06:15.58ollymanages 168 hours almost every week
06:16.06meflin240 hours .. oh wait ;)
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06:16.20ollymeflin: you and your metric time
06:16.43brlcadyep, and it might even seem great the first couple weeks .. but it's not sustainable for the 3-4 month duration
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06:21.49DharmitThanks guys for your inputs. Sounds like it'd be better to start with small contributions in upstream rather than full blown gsoc project.
06:22.21ollyDharmit: unless you're able to arrange a 3 month break in the job
06:22.24meflindo both
06:22.53ollyif it's a job in computers, they might feel it's good for them for you to do GSoC
06:23.05ollylike a training course they don't have to fund
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06:30.09Dharmitolly: Okay. Yep it's a job in computers. I will check internally in my organization about this.
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06:45.42kblinbrlcad: thanks
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06:51.01tachyons!next
06:51.04gsocbottachyons: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations.
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09:54.34rnatwhat exactly is a student supposed to do in this interim period
09:54.54rnatcould someone guide me as its my first GSOC
09:55.10Beornwulfrnat: look at the project ideas and orgs, get to know the orgs you're interested in, etc
09:55.37Beornwulfthat's what I'm doing anyway
09:56.22dnivrarnat: Have you read http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ ?
09:56.36dnivraIf not, I think that's a great place to start.
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09:57.04rnatBeornwulf: i did
09:57.04rnatBeornwulf: how do these orgs select u?
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09:57.27rnatdnivra: nope ,thanks looks interesting
09:57.48dnivraglad I could help. It'll answer most of your questions include how orgs select a student :).
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10:00.39ollyrnat: you pick some orgs you're interested in, not the other way around
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10:06.11rnatwould presenting orgs with some half baked code ,increase the likelihood of being selected?
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10:06.39ollyfull baked is more likely to work
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10:18.29rnatis Gsoc only for ingenious students .. reading the project ideas makes me feel that i am about 40% ready for it
10:18.58Beornwulfrnat: many of them I'd have no idea about
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10:19.25BeornwulfI think it's a matter of finding something that matches your skills and that grabs you enough to learn what you don't know
10:19.31PulkoMandyyou have some time now to discuss this with the orgs
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10:20.18PulkoMandyI know our ideas page here (Haiku) is intentionally vague, as we expect the students to show they're able to research the ideas, ask the questions on our mailing lists, to build their application
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12:42.47spoffy_Dang there's a lot of people in here :P
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12:43.55spoffy_Mhhhm. It's still quite a few though. Still, to be expected I guess :P
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13:18.52denysbutenkoHI, anyone have invite for new text editor Atom?
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13:22.41rubbersheepnope
13:23.06gevaertsdoesn't think this is the right place for that sort of thing
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13:32.07Cadairdenysbutenko, lime looks more promising to be, being open source and all
13:32.19Cadairs/be/me
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13:37.48darnirdoesn't understand the fascination with editors.
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13:38.16darnirDon't people use vim/emacs these days?
13:38.38Cadairdarnir, I use a combo of vim and spyder
13:38.54darnirSpyder?
13:39.07KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: I use Notepad++ (forced to use Windows by the employer)
13:39.40Nilabhrawhats going on here?
13:39.44darnirKolibriOS|yogev: That's just sad. But Notepad++ is a good editor. Extensible, yet no frills
13:40.00Cadairdarnir, it's a scientific python IDE
13:40.02KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: So far it answers all my needs, and even beyond. No complaints.
13:40.24gevaertsis firmly in the vim camp
13:40.25darnirTrue. I always liked Notepad++. It's not vim, but it isn't bad.
13:40.36darnirhi-fives gevaerts
13:40.53gevaertstypes escape ctrl-H 5 darnir
13:41.03KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: Our servers are mostly on Unix/Linux though, and there I do use vim
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13:41.40KolibriOS|yogev(I don't mean KolibriOS of course, but my regular paid RL job)
13:42.34darnirWell of course. I never assumed a linux OS using Windows systems for development.
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13:43.31KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: Your assumption is wrong but in totally different direction than you might think :-)
13:43.59KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: I give you 3 tries to fix yourself (you can make 3 guesses)
13:44.03darnirWell. If you say so. You'd know best.
13:45.06gevaertsthinks he knows :)
13:45.10darnirYou're not Linux?
13:45.23KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: Bingo :-)
13:45.24darnir\me cheated.
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13:45.40KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: Cheating is fine as long as you aren't noticed :-)
13:45.53darnirDamn, I'm too used to typing latex commands.
13:46.36gevaertsdarnir: surprisingly many OSes are not linux :)
13:46.54darnirI know! I was simply assuming
13:47.15KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Sadly the news editors do not agree with you, they still often list us as Linux flavor.
13:47.46KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: I am totally not insulted by that, but it's just not correct.
13:47.47gevaertsKolibriOS|yogev: I know how you feel. Every now and then we have to correct the wikipedia page on rockbox too
13:48.15gevaertsSurprisingly many people just are incapable of accepting that there are things that aren't windows or linux
13:48.58PulkoMandymh... that doesn't happen that much to us at Haiku
13:49.08PulkoMandymaybe they still remember BeOS... for now
13:49.11darnirOuch, I seemed to have opened up a fresh wound here.
13:49.16KolibriOS|yogevPulkoMandy: Because you have BeOS legacy, true
13:49.41KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: To me it's not a wound at all, just funny.
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13:50.54KolibriOS|yogevPulkoMandy: I have to admit that when I ask to write a news item about KolibriOS and they confuse us with Linux, I say "No, it's totally separate OS like Haiku", it usually works :-)
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13:51.13gevaertsKolibriOS|yogev: oh, you're based on Haiku?
13:51.26gevaertshides :)
13:51.29KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Haha, good one.
13:52.06PulkoMandywe are also the ones mentionned in XKCD, maybe that helps? :p
13:52.28KolibriOS|yogevPulkoMandy: Oh, mind to share a link?
13:53.13KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Actually that worked when I asked to add us to Distrowatch, thankfully Haiku was already there.
13:53.22PulkoMandyhttp://xkcd.com/806
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13:54.28gevaertsSometimes gsoc is a good way to meet people who do things that are not linux
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13:56.46KolibriOS|yogevPulkoMandy: Haha that was fun. And "Shibboleet" is in Hebrew :-)
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13:57.18voldymanKolibriOS|yogev: is Kolibri written in assembly?
13:58.05KolibriOS|yogevvoldyman: Most of it, yes. Kernel and drivers are 100% assembly, user software can be written in other languages as well.
13:58.33gevaertsthinks KolibriOS|yogev is insane :)
13:58.42voldymanKolibriOS|yogev: i wanted to apply for Kolibri but am too afraid of assembly, learning it in College though
13:58.44gevaertsThey invented compilers, you know!
13:58.50KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Oh, why?
13:58.56darnirsecretly agrees with gevaerts
13:59.28voldymanbows down before KolibriOS
13:59.31KolibriOS|yogevvoldyman: You are welcome to apply, because we are a small org and won't have many applications, so you have pretty good chances
13:59.51gevaertsKolibriOS|yogev: what advantages does pure assembly give you?
13:59.57voldymanKolibriOS|yogev: i have performance anxiety
13:59.59Cadaira headache :p
14:00.07CadairAll respect to you
14:00.16Cadairyou are just crazier than I
14:00.37gevaertsIt *can* give you performance, yes, but then you don't always need that
14:00.50CadairI am very impressed that your website says your kernel is <100kB
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14:00.58Cadairthat's pretty nuts
14:01.00KolibriOS|yogevvoldyman: Registering on our forums is a good start point
14:01.11voldymanKolibriOS|yogev: can i apply even if i would need time to get used to assembly?
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14:01.49gevaertsvoldyman: they want contributors, so presumably yes :)
14:02.03PulkoMandyHaiku uses C++
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14:02.14PulkoMandybut now I wonder if that's actually easier to master than assembly :)
14:02.23ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: And does KolibriOS works in real-time or protected mode? Is there any access level switch?
14:02.29darnirI would prever assembly over C++!
14:02.30KolibriOS|yogevvoldyman: Yes if you are willing to learn.
14:02.34gevaertsPulkoMandy: at least you can run static analysers on it
14:02.59KolibriOS|yogevashepelev: Real mode 16bit to boot, then 32bit protected mode
14:03.00PulkoMandyyes. and we keep finding bugs
14:03.36darnirI'm going to get Kolibri OS working on a virtual machine just for fun.
14:04.14ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: I have recently wrote switching to 16-bit protected mode on MS-DOS. Without any debugger. That was nightmare.
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14:05.38KolibriOS|yogevashepelev: We never switch back to 16 bit after boot process completed. Not point for us.
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14:06.25KolibriOS|yogevgevaerts: Sorry, I was disturbed in RL. The advantage is small size and full control of the generated code.
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14:07.31ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: it's pretty wize to use 32 bit. Even with such an unusual OS source language. I used to test it. You are heroes.
14:08.26ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: If I'm not mistaken that it's KolibriOS story that your teammate developed USB driver for about a year :-)
14:09.46KolibriOS|yogevashepelev: in 2 years, yes. And she is the only girl in the project, which is even more cool.
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14:11.18KolibriOS|yogevashepelev: She is so clever that sometimes she fixes a bug faster than I manage to explain what the bug is.
14:11.31ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: woah! :-) wonder-girl
14:11.46KolibriOS|yogevBut of course we don't require our potential students to be that clever :-)
14:12.11KolibriOS|yogevThe only requirement is basic CS knowledge and williness to learn.
14:14.52KolibriOS|yogevCadair: That's right, the current size is 82.4 KB
14:15.06Cadairo.O
14:17.28SpoffyI always find experience helps solve bugs as much as intelligence does :)
14:17.31KolibriOS|yogevCadair: Well, since you also need drivers to work with the OS, the total size of kernel + drivers is around 200 KB
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14:18.05SpoffyAlso, how does it work if you apply to GSoC multiple organisations?
14:18.06CadairThat's still silly size
14:18.34CadairSpoffy, if you get accepted to multiple, a bun fight ensues :p
14:18.37KolibriOS|yogevSpoffy: You can submit up to 5 proposals. If you are only selected in 1 place, then nothing happens.
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14:18.58KolibriOS|yogevSpoffy: if 2 or more orgs want you, then they fight over you.
14:19.12SpoffySounds funny. Alright, that's what I was interested in, thanks :)
14:19.13downeyKolibriOS|yogev: "fight" is such a violent word :)
14:19.13KolibriOS|yogevSpoffy: The org that wins the fight, gets you.
14:19.21SpoffyCan you place bets?
14:19.23DaSpiritCan the student choose what they do?
14:19.25SpoffyA duel to the death perhaps?
14:19.34KolibriOS|yogevdowney: Well, not literal fight of couse :-)
14:19.48downeyDaSpirit: Every time we've had a duplication issue, the student's preference played a major consideration
14:19.55KolibriOS|yogevSpoffy: That's exactly the problem, you do not decide who gets you but orgs decide.
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14:20.21PulkoMandyDaSpirit: the orgs make the decision, but you can tell them what you prefer, and they usually listen
14:20.21CadairWhen we had this last year the student basically decided.
14:20.25KolibriOS|yogevSpoffy: So if you strongly prefer 1 org over other, you should be careful with submitting multiple proposals.
14:20.26SpoffyAh, okay. I suppose the moral of the story is don't apply to orgs you don't want to do work for :P Thanks, that's been helpful :)
14:20.27darnirKolibriOS|yogev: Not really. The student also has a choice. Only they need to be smart enough to voice it at the correct place
14:20.45DaSpiritAnd where is the correct place?
14:21.24PulkoMandywe ask our students to tell us in their application
14:21.26darnirI would l think your proposal.
14:21.44darnirneeds more caffiene
14:22.02PulkoMandyjust tell "I'm also applying at project xxx" somewhere in there - no need to rank your preferences yet
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14:22.56DaSpiritJust wondering, what if a student starts their project before summer and finishes early?
14:23.03DaSpiritIs that allowed?
14:23.41darnirdepends on how large the shift is and if the organization is willing
14:24.10PulkoMandystarting early shouldn't be a problem
14:24.20darnirA few days or a week here or there, no one would care. But shifting dates by a month would be a problem.
14:24.51PulkoMandywell, if you finish the project and continue working on other things/polishing for the extra month at the end, it's not a problem
14:24.51darnirWell, it's open source. You can start anytime you like. It's defining the problem within the period of GSoC.
14:25.16PulkoMandyif you plan to disappear one month before the end of the program, better make sure that's ok with the org you're working with
14:25.26ashepelevKolibriOS|yogev: I just phoned to my groupmate. He was very interested in some asm and GSoC :-)
14:25.46KolibriOS|yogevashepelev: So tell him/her to connect with us :-)
14:26.04darnirYeah! Else, you might not get passing grades through your org. Which means missing out on the T-shirt
14:26.28Cadairdarnir, Don't forget the sticker
14:27.08DaSpiritIs the website for students up yet? Where they apply?
14:27.19KolibriOS|yogevDaSpirit: Even if you finish earlier and it's ok with the org, you would have to be present at the dates defined by Google to submit your code etc.
14:27.34KolibriOS|yogevDaSpirit: So you can stop coding if it's ok with the org but you cannot disappear.
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14:28.01KolibriOS|yogevDaSpirit: Did you read the channel topic? :-)
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14:29.36darnir!timeline | DaSpirit
14:29.37gsocbotDaSpirit: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014
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14:33.25k-joseph!next
14:33.26gsocbotk-joseph: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations.
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14:34.03Cadairoh gsocbot I forgot about the fun times friday
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14:34.51DaSpiritDo many rejected orgs join?
14:35.12darnirOnly 50 may
14:35.18DaSpiritAre any pissed?
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14:35.38darnircarols is the only one who can answer that. And she's not around
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14:35.53DaSpiritcarols is a woman? I did not know that.
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14:36.17dougdastew1Hi, I was a mentor last summer and now want to mentor again. I can login to Melange. Do I have to do anything more now -- like re-register?
14:36.20CadairDaSpirit, I might be drunk, not angry tho :p
14:36.25KolibriOS|yogevdarnir: Well I saw one org admin on Monday that was totally nuts being rejected.
14:36.58CadairI had really hope to get in this year
14:37.03darnirdougdastew1: Yes. You have to register as a mentor again. Every year
14:37.07DaSpiritI'm a little mad on how an org I was trying to get into this program got rejected.
14:37.24PulkoMandywell, there can't be space for everyone
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14:37.26Cadairbut it's not the end of the world as we can hopefully still get a student or two under the PSF
14:37.27DaSpiritCadair, link to your ideas page?
14:37.32darnirMany orgs get rejected.
14:37.33DaSpiritPSF?
14:37.38Cadairhttps://github.com/sunpy/sunpy/wiki/Gsoc-2014-ideas
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14:37.43CadairPython Software Foundation
14:37.45PulkoMandywe got rejected last year too, but we're back!
14:37.48dougdastew1darnir: thanks
14:37.51darnirBut you can always use Umbrella Organizations. That's what they are for
14:38.08KolibriOS|yogevWell although it's sad being rejected, if you are accepted every year then there is no chance for new orgs like us.
14:38.09DaSpiritUmbrelle organizations?
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14:38.40darnirDaSpirit: Python, GNU, etc.
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14:38.54DaSpiritCadair, your ideas list is awesome. You probably got rejected due to lack of room :(
14:38.56darnirYou can approach tme and have your project listed on their ideas page.
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14:39.33CadairThanks DaSpirit
14:39.38darnirAnd it's not against the rules. carols will herself suggest you do this
14:40.10CadairWe are quite a small org and in some ways it is easier for us to work under the PSF
14:40.15PulkoMandyI guess people that can reattach to an umbrella organization tend to have it less easy to get slots on their own
14:40.15Cadairless admin etc
14:40.58PulkoMandywell let's find out, when is the meeting about that ?
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14:41.43CadairFriday
14:41.44Cadair!next
14:41.45gsocbotCadair: "next" is (#1) The student application period opens on 10th March, or (#2) 28 February 16:00 UTC: IRC meeting with rejected mentoring organizations.
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14:50.58eLobatohi?
14:51.24Cadairhi!
14:54.19eLobatoCadair: can we queue up for feedback already?
14:54.30darnirI don't think so.
14:54.34CadairI don't know
14:54.36CadairI doubt it
14:55.18dougdastew1How can I change my login user name????
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15:01.14darnirdougdastew1: Try #melange
15:01.27dougdastew1ok
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15:06.58harshit93Hello, I have a doubt
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15:07.55harshit93The list of confirmed orgs that is posted on the google-melange site, all of them have a list of ideas of their own. So is it necessary to apply with the ideas that are suggested there only?
15:08.07stqismNo
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15:08.31elbthat depends on the individual organization's policies, but in general a well thought-out application that is a new idea is welcome
15:08.48PulkoMandyyou want to discuss this with people from the org you're applying with
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15:08.56harshit93So ther's nothing like those are the ideas and the softwares that have been confirmed, and the new ideas/ideas on new softwares won't be welcome?
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15:09.28PulkoMandyyou have to work for one of the accepted organizations
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15:10.00PulkoMandywhat you work on is something you decide with that organization, so get in touch with them and ask them if they'd accept your project
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15:10.30harshit93Okay. I will do that. Thanks!
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15:15.14KolibriOS|yogeveLobato: You can queue up for feedback only 1-2 hours before it starts, so it's in about 24 hours from now.
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15:39.01eLobatoaccording to the email rejected projects will get feedback in 20 minutes right?
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15:39.55Tomkiewiczin 24 hours + 20 minutes - I did the same mistake
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15:40.51KolibriOS|yogeveLobato: Does your email say Feb 27 or 28?
15:41.19eLobatoKolibriOS|yogev: Friday, 28 ..
15:41.32KolibriOS|yogeveLobato: That's correct. And what day is today?
15:41.55Lenniewell if you live in Australia... :)
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15:42.20KolibriOS|yogevLennie: For that reason it says UTC (=Greenwich time) :-)
15:42.27paultagUTC != GMT
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15:42.30LennieSmart move :)
15:42.41KolibriOS|yogevpaultag: Formalities, formalities
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15:43.05paultag:)
15:43.06PulkoMandyUTC = GMT, within off-by-one errors
15:43.08KolibriOS|yogevpaultag: If you simplify it enough, they are equal now.
15:43.23paultagPulkoMandy: ~= * :)
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15:43.53Lenniewell I'm off for the day, I wonder how many people think it will be today :)
15:44.09KolibriOS|yogevLennie: So far it was 3
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15:44.32KolibriOS|yogevLennie: And 1 more though it's yesterday (26th) :-)
15:44.37KolibriOS|yogev*thought
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15:49.13kblin!learn queue as you can queue up on Friday, the 28th of February
15:49.13gsocbotkblin: "queue" is (#1) not open yet., or (#2) you can queue up on Friday, the 28th of February
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15:49.43kblin!forget queue 2
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15:49.49kblinok, sufficient :)
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15:51.15eLobatokblin: what's the command to queue up tomorrow?
15:52.19kblineLobato: it will be "!queue your org name, url://of/your/ideas/list"
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15:53.07kblineLobato: also, please change your nick to yourorgname_nick for the meeting
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16:40.59Tomkiewiczdoes yourorgname have to fit org name closely, or may be abbreviated?
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16:44.20KolibriOS|yogevTomkiewicz: I think org ID is actually what is expected
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16:44.29KolibriOS|yogevNot full name
16:44.59KolibriOS|yogevi.e. "gimp", not "GNU Image Manipulation Program"
16:45.49Tomkiewiczgot it, thanks
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17:02.04sumanahhttp://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/02/26/0 - some advice for people new to open source, inspired partially by conversation here in #gsoc
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17:03.20sumanahpaultag: ^ you may find some formulations there helpful
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17:03.40paultagawesome!
17:03.41paultagthank you!
17:03.48paultagalso hi, sumanah!
17:03.55sumanah:) (hi)
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17:11.55PulkoMandyprobably
17:11.57sumanahyes
17:12.10TCDHrm, okay
17:12.14sumanahTCD: you can learn :)
17:12.16PulkoMandyyou'll have a mentor to guide you, and there is time before the coding period starts so you can get more up to speed
17:12.56TCDsumanah: Yeah, I'm fine with the 'I don't know about X, but I'm fine learning about it with little sleep for the next 2 months' but I wasn't sure if the mentors would prefer 'I have actually done X' :P
17:13.16hellerTCD: the best way would be to just ask them
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17:13.39markthema3I think some experience would be helpful, but you have a while to do some research before application time, so I'd recommend doing that research.
17:13.59sumanahTCD: I understand your concern. But you are not going to be competing against an imaginary ideal person. There are real people out there. Some have experience in the domain, some have experience in the right languages, etc. but no one is perfect
17:14.08TCDTrue, true.
17:14.16sumanahTCD: for instance, you seem to have pretty good English communication skills. Not everyone has those!
17:14.40sumanahYou have the initiative and openness to talk about your questions in a public IRC channel. Some applicants have a really hard time with that.
17:14.57TCD(I'm glad this is irc and not a room with real people, heh)
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17:15.36sumanahTCD: you mean a physical room? :) (we are real! I promise!)
17:15.44sumanah(at least I am)
17:15.49markthema3I find that those who doubt their skills generally have more of them, in general. The more you know, the more aware you are of what all you don't know. So the fact that you're asking these questions points to some sort of skill or at least awareness.
17:15.55TCDsumanah: Yeah, haha :P
17:16.53TCDI think it's that point of 'I think have the skills...but I doubt my ability to actually show that I have them, or doubt that I'm right about having them'.
17:17.25KolibriOS|yogevmarkthema3: So true. When I was working in my RL job for 1 year, I thought I know everything. Now after 8 years there I understood I know nothing :-)
17:17.46sumanahTCD: sometimes I find it helpful to find samples out there
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17:18.28TCDsumanah: Samples of what?
17:18.46sumanahTCD: so, I'll give you 2 examples
17:18.53markthema3I remember back in 8th grade when I thought I was cool as hell for being able to toss a basic website together. Now I'm aware of about ten thousand different web technologies that seem really interesting or that I want to learn and I feel like I know nothing.
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17:19.46sumanah1) I tried to contribute to an open source project, and discovered - as I worked on it, fixing little things - that the code base had a lot of problems. I wrote up a sort of audit on their mailing list http://lists.libresoft.es/pipermail/metrics-grimoire/2013-November/002280.html   Seeing this, a sample of real-world code that other people are depending on, but that has problems that I can see, helped me develop confidence in my skill as a programmer
17:20.28TCDOhh, I get you now
17:20.58sumanah2) when I applied to Hacker School, I saw that the application asked me to code up a solution to a very small problem - you can see it here as "CracklePop" https://www.hackerschool.com/apply .  I did, quickly. Then I remembered that there are people out there who say they are programmers but cannot do that, in any language. I was amazed and remembered that I am actually a programmer :)
17:21.45sumanahSo, seeing samples of other people's work and/or their self-perception can help us see how good we actually are, or give us a goal for what we want to be
17:21.49TCDOh right, that '8/10 people cannot do fizzbuzz' thing? (or whatever the number is)
17:21.52TCDTh
17:22.48sumanahstarted doubting her proficiency as a programmer a lot less after that application :)
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17:23.27TCDYeah..maybe the fact I've been programming on and off jumping around between (personal) projects for far too long means I don't have anything to base it off :p
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17:24.02sumanahTCD: right, I understand. Diagnostic questions can be rare
17:24.08markthema3The first project I contributed to was Blender, some of that code dates back to the mid 90's. That's a project that needs some consistency and a good audit :P
17:25.28TCDI figured there's 2 weeks before applications open..plenty of time to try and contribute and get a feel for being useful to something. xD
17:25.31sumanah:)
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17:26.35sumanahTCD: by the way, check out the "pre-assessment questionnaire" at the end of http://f1000research.com/articles/3-62/v1 - the "how would you solve this problem" and "consider this task" questions. There are a lot of working scientists who program every day and can't solve them
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17:26.45sumanahwhich is why Software Carpentry exists - to teach them
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17:28.55TCDI feel like a few of those answers would be 'with documentation' because it's areas I haven't touched on before
17:29.01sumanahsure
17:29.07sumanahsame here
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17:30.27TCDBut overall...I just feel like I'd be able to do any project given enough time to research/find documentation and enough time to implement it, rather than thinking 'I couldn't do that ever'. I mean sure, I doubt I could ever go and lift 200lbs..but writing software? Just seems like anything is possible if you've got the time and patience.
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17:30.59sumanahyou have a growth mindset, which is good :)
17:31.07TCDwoo
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17:31.34sumanah(the difference between a "fixed" mindset and a "growth" mindset makes a big impact)
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17:35.27PulkoMandyone more real-world example from GSoC... at Haiku we request students to submit a patch to our codebase, just to check basic C++ knowledge, and ability to use our bugtracker
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17:35.56PulkoMandywe get much better results out of GSoC since we do that - before we managed to pick student that couldn't actually write any code
17:37.04stqismPulkoMandy: We interview students and ask for other OSS work.
17:37.11TCDI saw stuff like that on one of the other projects' sites about getting one line proposals saying 'I want to work on X'..why do people even do this? D:
17:37.27PulkoMandyif people from the project you pick see you around their mailing lists/IRC channels, asking questions to get your GSoC proposal written, things should be fine
17:37.37PulkoMandythat's what I did when I was a student and it worked well
17:37.49stqismTCD: That happens so much
17:38.01PulkoMandyTCD: can't hurt to try, I guess
17:38.05TCDHaiku was one of the ones I was interested in looking into more, but I feel the level of rust on my C++ skills may let me down, heh
17:38.23PulkoMandythere is a lot of people doing a proposal just good enough to get selected, get the initial $500 payment, then disappear
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17:38.40PulkoMandyTCD: well, don't let that stop you
17:38.45TCDOh yeah, I forgot you get money upfront..surely google would pull it?
17:38.59PulkoMandythey didn't in previous years
17:39.08PulkoMandyno idea if that changed for this time
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17:39.30PulkoMandyalso, you don't need extensive knowledge of C++ to work in Haiku
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17:39.53PulkoMandyI'm still learning about parts of C++ every day, I don't think it's possible to know everything about it
17:40.03TCDOh no, I was never extensive by any means, heh
17:40.10PulkoMandyand, Haiku isn't the most crazy use of C++ out there
17:40.24TCDJust been a little while since I've used it :P
17:41.05PulkoMandystill better than "never heard of it"
17:41.45TCD'huh..what are these * signs everywhere?'
17:42.04PulkoMandyI did GSoC for Haiku in 2009, and I hadn't even written any real-world C++ code before that
17:42.28PulkoMandyI had read some books about it, and I knew most of C
17:42.40PulkoMandythe mentoring team helped me with that and it went fine
17:42.48TCDReassuring :D
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17:45.29ajitkr1994Does anyone know how to contact mentors from the wxWidgets organization ?
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17:47.25TCDPulkoMandy: Anywhere else I should consider joining in except #haiku for more info? :)
17:48.10PulkoMandy#haiku is a good start :)
17:48.15PulkoMandywe also have a mailing list
17:48.34PulkoMandyhttp://www.freelists.org/archive/haiku-development
17:48.59PulkoMandyand a website, but I guess you have a link to that already
17:49.11TCDGotcha, thanks :) Just making sure there wasn't some kind of haiku-gsoc channel or something :)
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17:50.34markthema3No, I don't think there are any project channels specific to gsoc. You typically just join the main project channel.
17:50.57PulkoMandywe had one, but we stopped doing that
17:51.14TCDI've been joining some main channels, but I've noticed at least one having a soc specific one too
17:51.23KolibriOS|yogevActually I saw that Pyton does have one.
17:51.31PulkoMandythe idea is to make you part of the Haiku developer team, so, better use the same communication channels as everyone else
17:51.40markthema3^
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17:52.22PulkoMandywe have a separate ML for gsoc, but we don't use it for discussing development-related stuff - only for midterms evaluation and other "paperwork" stuff
17:52.45PulkoMandyand only accepted students (and mentors) are subscribed there
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17:53.21stqismOther people use mailing lists?
17:53.25stqismGosh
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18:03.52PalashAnyone mentoring any Django project online?
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18:06.32TCDI had personally assumed mailing lists had fallen out of use until I looked into gsoc :p
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18:07.02BeornwulfTCD: me too :)
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18:18.00hjpotter92Hi, I've a question. Why do most of the organisations' IRC/mailing list point back to their GSoC description pages?
18:18.12hjpotter92mailing list links*
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18:19.32hjpotter92For eg. IRC links on Bookie (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/bookie) and Dr. Memory (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/drmemory)
18:20.14meflinirc links are not well understood ( even by me )
18:20.40meflinyou can find bookie at #bookie on this network
18:20.53hjpotter92I can find both of them on freenode
18:21.04meflinfeel free to let them know there link is wrong ;)
18:21.37hjpotter92Also, lablua's mailing list link points to http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/labluapucrio@freelists.org instead of labluapucrio@freelists.org
18:21.39tierrahaving helped setup one of the orgs, I did notice that the forms for filling out those details ask orgs to specify either a link or an email address for mailing lists, but if you just put in an email address, the link doesn't use a "mailto", so it's actually broken... the same is kind of going on with the IRC links
18:21.55tierraso yeah, there's some improvements the Melange team could do there
18:22.26tierrabut in the mean time, it's helpful if you let your orgs know the links don't work correctly
18:22.33territierra: the melange irc channel is, I gather, #melange
18:22.59terriprobably worth reporting directly to them
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18:23.08tierraprobably
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18:37.23tierrahjpotter92 / terri: I've submitted that as a Melange issue here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2058
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18:38.22hjpotter92tierra: Cool. =)
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18:58.49carolsserves some tea and coffee
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18:59.09TCDBiscuits?
18:59.15carolsTCD: did you bring some?
18:59.32TCDI've got a few, but the channel's kinda grown.
18:59.48carolsTCD: well, then you will have to decide on your own if you share or not :-)
18:59.56PulkoMandywas working with cookies today, but the HTTP flavour
18:59.58TCDUnless people want a block of cheese, a can of mushroom soup, and some pasta sauce. :p
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19:04.49downeycarols: is that youtube video indeed new?
19:04.59carolsdowney: the one i posted today?
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19:05.22downeycarols: yeah, just confirming :)
19:05.36carolsdowney: yeah, we're posting videos of people talking about the experience being a student
19:05.43carolssince the way i explain it seems to be so confusing
19:05.52carolsi thought maybe if students explained it it would help
19:06.01carolsbut that might be wishful thinking
19:06.20downeycarols: heh, one can hope
19:06.27carolsdowney: did you watch it?
19:06.37downeycarols: can't yet, in a hangout
19:06.40carolsiain is awesome :-)
19:06.43carolsit's a great video.
19:07.17meflinheh my iaian ?
19:07.31carolsmeflin: maybe?
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19:07.38carolsmeflin: did you watch the video?
19:08.04meflinstarting it now :D
19:08.08carols:-)
19:08.30meflinyep
19:08.35carolscool :-)
19:08.42meflinI hope he didn't stalk smack about me :D
19:08.50meflintalk
19:08.51carolsmeflin: i guess you'll have to see ;-)
19:09.16meflinmy first student actually
19:09.26carolsmeflin: iain is great to have as a first student
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19:09.40meflinheh yea we turned him into a mentor :D
19:10.06carolsand he founds gsoc just from googling :-)
19:10.38meflinhist first year he helped other students with there apps for the same project
19:10.50carolsnice
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19:10.57meflinwe noticed ;)
19:11.11carolsamazing what being involved and enthusiastic will get you
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19:13.07meflinheh he still looks like such a kid :D
19:13.38meflinhe was a great mentor as well
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19:21.38meflinnope no smack ... heh :D I'm sure I'll get some this MS tho ;)
19:22.37downeycarols: did anything ever become of those interviews recorded during mentor summit?
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19:23.02carolsdowney: yes. we're putting together an intro video to go along with them and we'll be publishing them a little later in the year
19:23.11downeycarols: cool :)
19:23.12carolswe thought student videos would be more appropriate this time of year
19:23.21downeyindeed
19:25.08VarunAgw!stats
19:25.08gsocbotVarunAgw: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
19:25.26VarunAgwThese are not program stats
19:25.36carolsVarunAgw: what stats exactly are you looking for?
19:25.39carols!numapps
19:25.40gsocbotcarols: "numapps" is In 2014, 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 117/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students)
19:25.41carolsthose?
19:25.55VarunAgwYes, Thanks
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19:38.40gevaertscarols: did you see that http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/ospo suffers from the usual "the IRC url isn't ideal" syndrome?
19:38.48gevaertshttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2014/ospo#gsoc%20on%20freenode.net
19:39.01carolsgevaerts: i did, thanks
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19:40.05gevaertscarols: it may be a good idea to leave it like that, as it will make other org admins feel less bad about it :)
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19:40.14carols:-)
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19:42.39meflinirc links seem to be unworkable at least for me
19:43.36gevaertsThey're awkward. Do "proper" irc urls actually work for anyone?
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19:44.08meflinI think my links are good but none of my 3 browsers handle them ......
19:44.47meflinI could I guess google and configure and such ....
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19:45.32meflininstead I put some links into the wiki on how to irc :D
19:46.02gevaertsYes, that and webchat links are about the only things that seem to work
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19:49.00gevaertsmwilkes|away: http://cantillon-events.be/info says "There is not deadline for the visit-tasting" :)
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20:07.49CFS-MP3carols is it common that an organization get less student applications than slots?
20:07.57carolsCFS-MP3: no
20:08.02carolsthe reverse is often true though
20:08.03gevaertsYou can't
20:08.14carolswhat gevaerts said
20:08.30gevaertsSlots are only allocated after student applications close, so it's impossible to get more slots than student applications
20:08.32meflininconceivable
20:09.06carolsexactly
20:09.07CFS-MP3OK then let's me ask it another way - is it common that an organization doesn't get any student application, or that the own organization decides that none of the applications are good enough?
20:09.19carolsCFS-MP3: common? no
20:09.22carolshas it happened? yes.
20:09.29carolsbut why do you care? :-)
20:09.35CFS-MP3I do care a lot
20:09.40carolstell me more.
20:09.45CFS-MP3for my very small organization this is a huge deal
20:09.55CFS-MP3we're taking it extremely seriously
20:09.59carolsCFS-MP3: so you're worried that you're not going to get any applicants?
20:10.30ollyif you aren't buried in interested students at this point, you might want to check your contact details work, that you've set suitable tags in melange, etc
20:10.32CFS-MP3carols I'm worried I'm not going we're not going to find 1 or 2 students promising enough, sure :-)
20:10.42carolsCFS-MP3: well, that's a gamble of course..
20:10.49gevaertsMake sure students can contact you easily :)
20:11.03FireFlyCFS-MP3: what organization, by the way?
20:11.05carolsCFS-MP3: have you done everything in your power to publicize you involvement in gsoc?
20:11.19CFS-MP3olly really? I should be buried already? Now I'm worried. Just got 2 so far
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20:11.26CFS-MP3FireFly It's CCExtractor Development
20:11.46gevaertsIf they e.g. have to look around to then find subscription information for a closed mailing list, and then you don't accept their subscriptions quickly, they'll go away :)
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20:12.08meflin2 for a new small org isn't bad
20:12.15CFS-MP3carols I've written about GSOC in my local GDG communities for example, and one of our key users is an university which I believe plan to do something too
20:12.21carolsgreat
20:12.27gevaertsspots list archives :)
20:12.30gevaertsA good start!
20:12.52CFS-MP3gevaerts I'm replying emails about GSOC faster than I reply my wife's emails at this point
20:12.59ollyCFS-MP3: that seems a bit low, though new orgs probably do get less interest
20:14.14carolsCFS-MP3: it's entirely your responsibility to publicize yourself and your gsoc involvement. google's not going to do it for you
20:14.16ollymaybe not having an IRC channel puts some off, though I wouldn't just create an IRC channel if you aren't able to staff it usefully
20:14.30carolsCFS-MP3: so instead of spending energy worrying about not getting enough applicants, put all the energy into more publicity
20:14.34gevaertsCFS-MP3: I'm mainly saying that because every year there are one or two organisations that seem to be impossible to get in touch with
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20:14.56ollyCFS-MP3: you could probably add a few more tags, like the language(s) project would be in
20:15.07meflinalso have a tea and dont stress out to much
20:15.13carolswhat meflin said
20:15.17ollymaybe things like "video" too
20:15.21gevaertsOr coffee, if you prefer that
20:15.23CFS-MP3olly yeah, done :-) Good advice
20:15.55ollyindeed, student applications aren't open yet, and things get busier then
20:16.03meflinwork hard and we have plenty of time to freek out later :D
20:16.19carolsolly: and 60% of the apps come in on the last day :-)
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20:16.28ollyalmost every year there's a thread on the mentors list about the student applications being down on last year, and then as the deadline approaches, the flood in faster and faster
20:16.28CFS-MP3carols I know. I don't really expect google to publicize me, but I don't want to spam either. I want to make sure I'm doing things right... if I'm not I'm not
20:16.47carolsCFS-MP3: have you done everything in your power to make everyone know about you and your org and gsoc?
20:16.58carolsCFS-MP3: if your answer is yes, then stop worrying :-)
20:17.01ollythere's a graph for debian last year here: http://survex.com/~olly/blog/debian/debian-gsoc-applications-2013.html
20:17.03carolsif your answer is no...then get it to yes
20:17.05edunhamCFS-MP3: link to whatever your project is? I've never heard of it
20:17.09ollyit's often even more of a surge
20:17.33gevaertsedunham: there's a handy link on http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014 :)
20:17.36ollyhttp://survex.com/~olly/blog/xapian/xapian-gsoc-applications-for-2012.html for example
20:17.37CFS-MP3carols I'm sure I haven't - but often you realize things you could have done when it's late, so best to take a few hints from veterans
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20:17.51edunhamgevaerts: yeah, yeah, serves me right for trying to be lazy... sorry
20:17.53carolsCFS-MP3: sure, good idea :-)
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20:18.09CFS-MP3edunham ccextractor.sourceforge.net
20:18.26CFS-MP3I've you've ever downloaded a .srt for a TV show... CCExtractor produced it
20:18.40s1991carols: i want to ask a general question that org do specify you can suggest some idea, but how can a student can know what actually the org. wants to get done or in what other field do org needs coders
20:18.51carolss1991: umm
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20:18.53CFS-MP3it's the kind of program with not many people actually using it but with millions for users using its output
20:19.09carolss1991: could you phrase the question differently? i don't think i follow.
20:19.22edunhams1991: as a student, I look at the org's ideas page then ask in irc with questions
20:19.47edunhamso things the org can do to make the student aware of what the org wants done include having a clear ideas page with contact information, including mailing lists and mentor irc handles, listed
20:20.08s1991edunham: but they do specify that you can suggest some other ideas, so how they actually wanted it
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20:20.47gevaertss1991: those are the things they may not know they want yet :)
20:20.54ollys1991: if you think you have an idea of your own, talk to the org about it
20:21.14ollythey can tell you if it's feasible, and help you shape it into a project of a suitable size
20:21.27edunhams1991: the students should go into irc or the mailing list and ask about similar ideas or changes to project descriptions
20:21.40edunhams1991: also it's unclear from your wording whether you're a student or mentor
20:21.44gevaertsI wouldn't recommend going outside the ideas list if you're not familiar with the organisation yet, to be honest
20:22.03s1991edunham: ok, got it, i'm a student
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20:22.27edunhamdo you have a particular org in mind?
20:22.28s1991ok thanks
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20:38.12CFS-MP3carols, don't know if this is something for you but, googling for GSOC returns this as the first hit: code.google.com/soc/  - and that's a non-existing page
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20:38.36carolsCFS-MP3: i don't control the google results :-(
20:38.51meflinmy first result is -> http://www.google-melange.com/
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20:39.44GentlecatCFS-MP3: this page works fine on my side
20:39.49CFS-MP3carols I know, but maybe you can create that page so the link is OK :-)
20:39.51CFS-MP3Gentlecat really?
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20:40.03carolsCFS-MP3: i can't, but thank you for the offer :-)
20:40.08Gentlecatyes, redirects to https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/?csw=1
20:40.25CFS-MP3The requested URL /soc/ was not found on this server
20:40.31CFS-MP3Gentlecat that's weird
20:40.33CFS-MP3OK
20:40.53ollycode.google.com probably isn't a single server
20:41.15CFS-MP3OK no worries
20:41.19meflinwelcome to the internet .. its weird ;)
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20:42.44CFS-MP3carols are there stats by country? In particular I'd love to find out how many Spanish students applied last year and how many got accepted
20:42.54carolsCFS-MP3: sure, on our blog
20:43.06carolseach year we run the program we post them
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20:44.02CFS-MP3found it
20:44.03CFS-MP3thanks
20:44.05carolsyw
20:44.08x_cr33dlink ...
20:44.23carolsx_cr33d: did you look for it yourself?
20:44.40derdonCFS-MP3: google search results are personalized based on your "surfing experience"
20:45.10x_cr33dhttp://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/program/home/google/gsoc2012
20:45.26ollyderdon: so if you see a lot of 404 links while surfing, google will return more dead links for you?
20:45.43derdonolly: no, that's not what I meant
20:45.50gevaertsolly: well, if you seem to like those... :)
20:46.17CFS-MP3derdon yes but the weird thing is that the same URL works for Gentlecat and not for me
20:46.39derdoncache?
20:46.41CFS-MP3http://google-opensource.blogspot.com.es/2013/08/google-summer-of-code-full-of-stats.html
20:46.52CFS-MP3that seems the last stats
20:47.03CFS-MP3anyway I see more Spanish students there (35) than I actually expected
20:47.08x_cr33dthanks :) ..
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20:47.51derdontwo from Moldavia and I know half of them :)
20:48.30x_cr33dHighest from india ..
20:48.46x_cr33d271 ..
20:48.50derdon56 from sri lanka is quite much for such a small country
20:48.54derdoninteresting stats
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20:51.08ollyif it gets actively promoted within a particular university, that can make a huge difference
20:51.41ollyapparently there are courses where the homework is to apply to gsoc
20:51.51meflinskills/person are the only thing that mater for student apps anyway
20:52.29derdonyes, interesting nevertheless :-)
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20:58.15meflinmmm tea
20:58.23carolsgood idea meflin
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21:20.21carolsserves more coffee and tea
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21:22.18ravi280how to schedule a meeting with mentoring organisations ?
21:23.09terriravi280: depends on the organization, but usually sending an email and suggesting some possible times is a start.
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21:26.00ravi280where do we get the information about the organisations and their mail ids ?
21:26.35terriravi280: Usually their ideas page should have information about how to contact them.
21:26.54carolsravi280: on their melange homepage.
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21:28.08meflincarols: memes -> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ArcRiley/posts/6kNfH5FbtjM
21:28.38carolsmeflin: that's an error for me :-(
21:28.44livingstoresame here :(
21:28.58meflinhuh
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21:29.48meflinhow about -> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RvYr6v7gjf4/Uw0NvoJ3GDI/AAAAAAAAS8w/KwKB4b2NLuc/w633-h893/IrdYVVi.jpg
21:30.01carolsmeflin: yep, that works :-)
21:30.05carolsi saw that one, it's great
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21:32.09meflingrr I forgot to set my tea timer .... heh
21:32.21bryonOPEN SOURCE IDEA
21:32.32bryontea infuser with built-in timer
21:32.34bryonheh
21:32.41meflinI would buy that
21:32.45bryonsome mentor somewhere is doing something with tea, right?
21:32.56meflinumm yea me
21:33.04bryonare you a mentor?
21:33.09meflinmostly brewing and drinking tho ;)
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21:33.15meflinyep
21:33.19bryoni sign up to work on your infuser project
21:33.33meflinsadly we have no tea projects :(.....
21:33.40bryonsucky darn
21:33.41bryonerr
21:33.43bryonshucky *
21:33.56meflinits hardware anyway try kickstarter ;)
21:34.13bryonheh, yeah
21:34.30bryonwho are you with?
21:34.42bryoni mean, what org?
21:34.42meflinPython and Syncdiff
21:34.51bryonah
21:35.36gevaertsmeflin: actually, searching for tea in the tags on melange does get you one org :)
21:35.45meflinoh?
21:35.57bryon"tea"ching
21:36.01bryonMoodle
21:36.01meflinperhaps I should add that tag to sync ;)
21:36.02bryon=]
21:36.04terridebates if she should put the tea tag on python, just because. :)
21:36.09meflinheh
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21:36.33meflinStudent requirements : be able to debate tea
21:36.41terriI'll start a new project for a python tea timer.  the org admin will never deny me as a sub-org. ;)
21:36.52bryonceylon vs pekoe vs green vs herbal
21:37.00meflinI dono she can be hard to work with
21:37.02meflinhides
21:37.10terri*is* the admin for python, for those who don't know
21:37.24territosses a wet teabag at meflin
21:37.31bryonterri: i humbly submit my candidacy to work on the tea project =]
21:37.37meflinok lipton I deserved that
21:38.13terribryon: I don't know, it's a project that only takes expert level tea students.  You have to pass an interview with meflin first. ;)
21:38.26bryoncrams on tea.
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21:38.51ravi280@carols when will we come to know about the projects that we're gonna work with ?
21:39.00carolsravi280: now, if you so choose.
21:39.23PulkoMandyit's up to you to let the project know you want to work with them
21:39.47kblinevening carols
21:39.48carolswhat PulkoMandy said.
21:39.50carolshey kblin
21:40.00carolskblin: we all ready for the meeting tomorrow?
21:40.05carolsi'm going to get lots of sleep tonight.
21:40.16kblincarols: when did we want to enable queueing again?
21:40.23kblinhopes to get any sleep
21:40.29carolskblin: a half hour before the meeting.
21:40.39kblincologne is crazy with carnival going on
21:40.49carolskblin: would it be possible for you to change the topic of the channel tomorrow with queueing and nick instructions?
21:40.54carolsin case you're in here before i wake up
21:41.11kblinsure
21:41.17carolsexcellent. much appreciated.
21:41.31carolsi'll try to be up as early as possible, but it's 7am my time
21:41.42carolswell, 7:30 when we start queueing, but..
21:43.06kblinI'll change the topic around noon utc, I guess
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21:43.20carolsthanks kblin.
21:44.07kblinmy pleasure
21:44.51stqismOh, it's already rejection meeting time?
21:45.02kblin!when
21:45.02gsocbotkblin: "when" is later
21:45.02meflinhappy fun time ;P
21:45.11stqismThat went by surprisingly quick
21:45.18scorche|shkblin: if you are worried about sleeping, dont forget that I am around too  ;)
21:45.40kblinscorche|sh: I doubt that'll help :)
21:45.56gevaertsscorche|sh: sleeping under your desk, no doubt!
21:45.56scorche|shjussayin'
21:46.02kblinscorche|sh: I'm worried about sleeping because of all the drunkards outside yelling like crazy
21:46.13scorche|shkblin: ah
21:46.18scorche|shwell, anyway, i am around
21:46.28carolsthanks scorche|sh
21:46.31ollystqism: it isn't yet, but not too far off
21:46.36carolsi'll probably need both of you tomorrow to corral the hordes
21:46.44scorche|shcarols: we still on for tomorrow?
21:46.47kblinthanks, that'll ne handy if the german railway lets me down :)
21:47.01derdonkblin: I'm really sorry for you :(
21:47.01stqismolly: Aaah, I wanted to see the fireworks
21:47.05carolsscorche|sh: maybe? it depends of course on how long the meeting goes..
21:47.07scorche|shhell, i may even be able to finish up my work in the morning and then handle the queue by your side carols ;)
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21:47.28ollystqism: everyone's generally pretty polite about it
21:47.42scorche|shstqism: yeah - there generally arent too many fireworks
21:47.43stqismolly: Stop spoiling it :(
21:47.50kblinderdon: well, if that's the price to pay for a nice flat close to the city center, I'm happy to just take some days off next year :)
21:47.53stqismscorche|sh: ^^
21:48.31derdonkblin: always see it positive! that's how I like it
21:48.50meflinI dono my tea mug is 1/2 empty ;)
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21:49.08bryonmeflin: no it's 100% full
21:49.13bryonjust no 100% full of tea
21:49.23bryon1/2 tea and 1/2 air
21:49.28gevaertsmeflin: don't worry about it being half empty or half full. Complain about it getting cold!
21:49.35meflinits a long standing problem :D
21:49.56meflingevaerts: you let you tea get cold? unless it is iced?
21:50.10stqismIced tea, done.
21:50.14meflinyou obviously do not have a drinking problem ;)
21:50.15gevaertsmeflin: I can't drink it in zero time, so yes :)
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21:52.51meflinI would start a 12 step MS session for tea .. but after #1 I'm afraid I would say ... lets have a tea! ;)
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22:48.30hkshahHello all
22:48.35stqismHi
22:48.46hkshahIs there a way to know the list of selected organizations?
22:49.14terrihkshah: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2014
22:49.32terrior from the main page, click on "see all 190 mentoring organizations"
22:49.45hkshahThanks terri!
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23:26.21callamHi guys
23:26.37TCDHai.
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23:27.04callamReally looking forward to gsoc this year!
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