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| 00:53.53 | t4nk734 | would someone graduating in June 2014 still be eligible for this GSOC? |
| 00:54.19 | stqism | t4nk734: If you're not enrolled in College/UNI, no |
| 00:54.44 | meflin | the details are in the faq |
| 00:55.01 | stqism | !faq | t4nk734 |
| 00:55.01 | gsocbot | t4nk734: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
| 00:55.25 | terri | you have to be enrolled as of a specific date, but it might be a date before June 2014. I think it was earlier than that last year. |
| 00:55.35 | t4nk734 | ok, thanks. |
| 00:55.46 | Slurpee | t4nk734, graduating high school or uni? |
| 00:55.56 | t4nk734 | Slurpee: college |
| 00:56.12 | Slurpee | t4nk734, so you're enrolled in classes now? |
| 00:56.15 | t4nk734 | Slurpee: yes |
| 00:56.17 | brlcad | more specifically |
| 00:56.17 | brlcad | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#8._I_graduate_in_the_middle_of_the |
| 00:56.36 | brlcad | looks like the answer is yes |
| 00:56.41 | Slurpee | t4nk734, looks like you're good. |
| 00:56.57 | stqism | He meets the April 21st deadline |
| 00:56.57 | t4nk734 | yes, that was helpful. thanks! |
| 00:57.19 | brlcad | t4nk734: you're welcome, apply to work on brl-cad ;) |
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| 00:57.32 | Slurpee | t4nk734, gsoc is perfect chance to improve your chances in finding a job too :) |
| 00:57.58 | t4nk734 | yes, I'm participating for work experience. |
| 00:58.51 | Slurpee | t4nk734, I like to think gsoc projects help students learn technical knowledge not gained in a uni project. |
| 00:59.08 | MisterH | uni projects don't help students much |
| 00:59.32 | Slurpee | MisterH, not as much fun either ;) |
| 00:59.45 | MisterH | which is why gsoc is so glorious :> |
| 01:00.14 | MisterH | it bridges the gap between doing and learning, methinks |
| 01:00.25 | Slurpee | agrees |
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| 03:36.09 | thebolt | hi |
| 03:51.05 | stqism | Hello, thebolt |
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| 05:34.31 | phil` | hello |
| 05:36.17 | stqism | Hello, phil` |
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| 05:43.57 | phil` | I'm just learning about google summer of code. seems like a good opportunity. have you done it before? |
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| 05:45.17 | umccullough | as a mentor, yes :) |
| 05:45.56 | phil` | cool. what organization? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| 05:46.24 | umccullough | Haiku |
| 05:48.07 | phil` | an operating system? interesting. |
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| 05:59.32 | stqism | Haiku is a lovely OS. |
| 05:59.54 | stqism | Well, I may be a little biased, they gave me a sticker. |
| 06:00.00 | umccullough | lol |
| 06:00.12 | umccullough | in fact, i probably gave you that sticker :P |
| 06:00.15 | umccullough | or scott |
| 06:00.46 | umccullough | or you simply snatched off the table while we were'nt looking ;) |
| 06:01.11 | stqism | umccullough: I think I snuck it off the table :P but I remember talking to you folkz |
| 06:01.17 | stqism | Folks, rather |
| 06:02.34 | phil` | haha |
| 06:03.08 | stqism | umccullough: I'm waiting on Haiku messenger with Tox support :P |
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| 06:03.35 | umccullough | yeah, i've been a bit busy |
| 06:03.41 | umccullough | in fact, going to vegas tomorrow and friday :/ |
| 06:03.47 | umccullough | stupid work |
| 06:04.07 | umccullough | gotta wake up at 3am to catch my early flight |
| 06:04.10 | phil` | yea sounds rough |
| 06:04.13 | umccullough | well...3:30 |
| 06:04.41 | umccullough | vegas sucks when you go there as often as i have... |
| 06:05.00 | umccullough | i used to fly in twice a month, now it's more like once every 2 months |
| 06:05.23 | stqism | umccullough: It's fun to visit, wouldn't like that schedule |
| 06:06.01 | umccullough | it doesn't help that i live just over an hour from the airport |
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| 06:06.54 | phil` | i love vegas. i can't imagine that place wearing out |
| 06:07.21 | umccullough | i don't gamble, so... |
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| 06:07.26 | phil` | the strip would perhaps. but there's a whole lot of crazy places and people in that town |
| 06:07.41 | umccullough | yeah, i pretty much avoid the strip |
| 06:07.59 | umccullough | my company's HQ is there, so i get to hang out with coworkers who live in vegas |
| 06:08.00 | phil` | the strip is a fun time |
| 06:08.08 | phil` | nice |
| 06:08.11 | umccullough | none of them go to the strip ;) |
| 06:08.29 | umccullough | but they do know where all the good bars and food are |
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| 06:08.33 | phil` | i would love a job that forces me to visit vegas |
| 06:08.40 | phil` | yes. firefly tapas? |
| 06:08.47 | umccullough | never been there |
| 06:08.55 | umccullough | assuming that's a place |
| 06:09.01 | phil` | delicious food. duck and whatnot |
| 06:09.12 | phil` | yea. tapas are like the small dishes |
| 06:09.35 | phil` | order a bunch for the table, did i mention declious |
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| 06:14.58 | umccullough | anyhow, i'm not really a "city person" |
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| 06:16.11 | phil` | i'd still argue vegas is a good time |
| 06:16.37 | phil` | there's so many things right there |
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| 06:16.50 | phil` | skydiving and gun ranges and giant gun ranges |
| 06:17.05 | phil` | there's a place you can rent a backhoe and bulldozers and stuff |
| 06:17.11 | umccullough | heh |
| 06:17.14 | phil` | hookers are legal.. |
| 06:17.17 | umccullough | grew up on a backhoe |
| 06:17.20 | phil` | right on |
| 06:17.31 | umccullough | my dad owned an excavation business |
| 06:17.38 | phil` | well, you could go there and laugh at the people paying to do it |
| 06:17.43 | umccullough | plenty to do where i live too |
| 06:17.48 | umccullough | i'm happy here :D |
| 06:18.23 | umccullough | no "giant gun ranges" though |
| 06:18.31 | umccullough | assuming you mean like 50 cal and stuff |
| 06:18.40 | phil` | what company? haiku? or a day job? i'd be happy to take over the fly-to-vegas duties.. |
| 06:18.43 | phil` | yea |
| 06:18.50 | phil` | yea can even shoot RPGs and stuff |
| 06:18.59 | umccullough | crazy desert dwellers |
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| 06:19.00 | phil` | it's vegas! |
| 06:19.19 | umccullough | anyhow, boring day job |
| 06:19.25 | phil` | also programming? |
| 06:19.49 | umccullough | not as much as i used to - mostly product design and business analyst work direct with customers these days |
| 06:20.09 | umccullough | and lots of data manipulation :/ |
| 06:20.23 | phil` | do most people who do open source work have programming day jobs? |
| 06:20.40 | phil` | how would one get paid to make open source programs? theres's my real question |
| 06:20.40 | downey | Quite a few do. |
| 06:20.42 | umccullough | i dunno, but i feel bad for them if they do - it burns you out |
| 06:21.00 | downey | The lucky ones get paid to work on open source projects :) |
| 06:21.04 | phil` | answer of course is gsoc, ha. |
| 06:21.33 | phil` | yea. that seems like it would be the ideal. open source yet, what with the paycheck and whatnot |
| 06:21.33 | downey | http://floss2013.libresoft.es/ |
| 06:21.40 | umccullough | there are plenty of companies out there using FOSS that contribute updates to it |
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| 06:22.43 | phil` | oh thanks downey |
| 06:22.47 | downey | phil`: above url should have some data about peoples backgrounds etc |
| 06:23.46 | phil` | yea |
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| 06:27.15 | phil` | downey: 'data' was right.. |
| 06:27.23 | downey | heh |
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| 06:30.08 | phil` | the 2002 one has pictures for my monkey brain, checking those out; i'll wait for someone else to sort through the data on that one |
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| 06:31.20 | phil` | 1.1% female in 2002, 11% in 2013. still hilarious though |
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| 06:34.37 | phil` | looks like about half the respondants work regular jobs. looks like about 7% do open source full time |
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| 06:46.06 | phil` | thanks for the info. maybe see you gentlemen more this summer |
| 06:47.46 | umccullough | hmm.. looks like i could almost get away with shorts in vegas |
| 06:48.54 | umccullough | i had a good chuckle when i was there during early december - i was walking around in a tshirt and flipflops while most people were bundled up in jackets and coats |
| 06:49.12 | umccullough | i did have jeans on though |
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| 09:23.07 | aayush | hi all |
| 09:24.14 | an92 | hello there & hello all |
| 09:24.37 | aayush | i am a newbie, trying to compete for GSOC 14. i have gone through few of the company's idea list and liked some projects |
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| 09:25.07 | aayush | now plz someone guide me, hoe to approach or made my proposal to them? |
| 09:25.45 | stqism | !faq | aayush |
| 09:25.45 | gsocbot | aayush: "faq" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page |
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| 09:26.49 | aayush | i have gone through that page several times. But still i need some help |
| 09:27.14 | kblin | !studentguide | aayush |
| 09:27.14 | gsocbot | aayush: "studentguide" is http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 09:27.39 | kblin | we're happy to answer specific questions you might have |
| 09:28.35 | stqism | Keep in mind, most questions are answered in the faq and student guide |
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| 09:29.46 | aayush | my first basic question is, in which way i can contribute to the development? if i am expected to go through the entire code and bring change to it or i will be given specific task of writing few functions with given arguments and required returns? |
| 09:30.49 | kblin | you go and propose a project you will be working on for the summer |
| 09:31.14 | kblin | a good start to get project ideas is the project ideas page from the org you're interested in |
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| 09:31.29 | kblin | but of course you can also suggest your own projects |
| 09:34.47 | aayush | should i start focusing over one organisation from the begining only or should i send proposals to multi places? |
| 09:35.03 | gevaerts | No |
| 09:36.09 | gevaerts | Unless you're already reasonably familiar with a particular community, you should probably be looking at several of them |
| 09:36.35 | gevaerts | You shouldn't be talking about sending proposals yet. Right now we're still firmly in the "discussing ideas" stage :) |
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| 09:36.42 | gevaerts | (if that) |
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| 09:39.02 | aayush | sorry.. i meant i should be looking at idea list of several organisations and should be talking to them that what the expect actually? |
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| 16:34.53 | stqism | 4 days remaining. |
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| 16:50.35 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:51.40 | jvoisin | takes a cup of tea |
| 16:53.58 | downey | passes on tea |
| 16:54.22 | stqism | carols: Odd timing |-style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;" |
| 16:54.24 | stqism | | [//jenkins.tox.im/job/Linux-Venom-AMD64/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/venom/build/Venom-0.2.0-Linux.rpm Venom] |
| 16:54.24 | stqism | | Linux - Rpm - AMD64 |
| 16:54.24 | stqism | | Jenkins |
| 16:54.24 | stqism | | Nightly |
| 16:54.25 | stqism | | SIGNED |
| 16:54.28 | stqism | Ignore that. |
| 16:54.31 | stqism | Wrong paste |
| 16:54.33 | carols | okay... |
| 16:55.25 | stqism | carols: Odd timing, correct paste http://imgur.com/VHgazZg |
| 16:55.35 | carols | looks tasty |
| 16:55.44 | carols | latte art and everything? |
| 16:56.32 | stqism | Yup, white chocolate hazelnut latte with a leaf, from my biweekly coffee shop run |
| 16:56.37 | carols | nice |
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| 16:59.38 | kblin | hey carols |
| 16:59.44 | carols | hey kblin |
| 16:59.55 | kblin | you were looking for me two days ago? |
| 17:00.03 | carols | i wanted to ask you about the queue for the rejected orgs meeting next week |
| 17:00.21 | kblin | still haven't looked into it, thanks for the reminder |
| 17:00.36 | carols | i want to say in my email: "only the first 50 orgs queued in line when the meeting starts will be addressed." will that be accurate? |
| 17:00.45 | downey | "Rejected" is such a strong word. :) |
| 17:01.03 | stqism | downey: "Let down" |
| 17:01.06 | carols | (that an org who comes later, even if the queue is less than 50, won't be queued) |
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| 17:01.28 | stqism | downey: "Not given the opportunity" |
| 17:02.38 | kblin | carols: yeah, that's the plan |
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| 17:02.49 | carols | kblin: excellent. then i will put that in my messages. |
| 17:02.51 | carols | thanks kblin. |
| 17:02.53 | kblin | carols: otherwise adding that limit wouldn't have any effect :) |
| 17:03.10 | carols | indeed, i just want to make sure i communicate it correctly' |
| 17:03.21 | carols | oh also |
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| 17:04.04 | carols | we'll have the queueing start at 16:00 UTC and not before, yes? |
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| 17:04.25 | carols | or is that actually a good idea? |
| 17:04.26 | kblin | sure, I'll just reload the queue module at that point |
| 17:04.30 | carols | should we let them queue before that? |
| 17:05.12 | carols | what do you think? |
| 17:05.17 | kblin | your call, I don't know how many actions per second the bot will do :) |
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| 17:05.39 | carols | i'm about to turn the bot into the apple store :-P |
| 17:05.43 | kblin | but there might be a slight rush to queue up if we only start queueing at 16:00 UTC |
| 17:05.47 | carols | right |
| 17:05.50 | carols | that's what i was thinking |
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| 17:06.01 | carols | maybe we should start it a half hour before or something? |
| 17:06.40 | kblin | yeah, sounds reasonable. that'd be what.. 6:30ish pacific time? |
| 17:07.32 | kblin | no, hang on |
| 17:07.41 | carols | 7:30am i believe |
| 17:07.48 | carols | let me check time and date |
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| 17:08.23 | carols | yeah 7:30 am pacific |
| 17:08.32 | kblin | ok, that's not too unfair then :) |
| 17:08.48 | carols | ok |
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| 17:09.24 | carols | and they can change their nick when they're in the queue and not lose their place in line too, right? |
| 17:09.33 | carols | in case they don't identify with their org name to begin? |
| 17:09.52 | kblin | uh, I guess the queue entry will still be on the old nick |
| 17:10.17 | carols | should i direct them about their nick in the email i send so they know? |
| 17:11.04 | kblin | but I guess we can manage if the queue spot for 'eve, foobar, http://foobar.org/gsoc_ideas' now is foobar_eve |
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| 17:12.07 | kblin | they just might not be able to change the information related to their queue spot |
| 17:12.33 | carols | alright, well, i'll just ask them when they come up in the queue what their org name is and it will be fine |
| 17:12.41 | stqism | Can't you track people via hostname? |
| 17:13.10 | kblin | sure, but if they get disconnected that might change as well |
| 17:13.28 | kblin | and of couse "patches welcome" :) |
| 17:14.00 | stqism | True :P |
| 17:14.40 | olly_ | and especially with NAT, hostname's not unique |
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| 17:18.34 | kblin | ok, time to move to another desk :) |
| 17:18.47 | carols | :-) |
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| 17:31.26 | carols | final round of reviews :-) |
| 17:31.30 | carols | we've almost got our list |
| 17:31.51 | Nilabhra | carols: yay! |
| 17:31.55 | carols | i agree :-) |
| 17:32.34 | Nilabhra | carols: cern is i this time too? |
| 17:32.40 | Nilabhra | *in |
| 17:32.50 | carols | Nilabhra: you're asking me about an unannounced decision? |
| 17:32.55 | carols | just hoping i might slip? :-) |
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| 17:33.12 | Nilabhra | carols: yes absolutely! ^_^ :D |
| 17:33.16 | carols | right |
| 17:33.24 | carols | Nilabhra: did they apply? |
| 17:33.35 | stqism | This is /so/ stressful :_: |
| 17:33.36 | Nilabhra | :/ no clue... |
| 17:33.46 | carols | Nilabhra: then that would be the place to start |
| 17:33.53 | carols | since we can't accept any org that didn't apply |
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| 17:34.16 | olly_ | if they did, it wasn't with short name "cern" |
| 17:34.27 | stqism | carols: I have a feeling you didn't need to mention that |
| 17:34.36 | Nilabhra | carols: ah! okay! weird thing about them ,they dont have irc channel, seems they like jabber more |
| 17:34.52 | carols | stqism: oh, i've gotten upset people in the past who wanted to know why they weren't accepted and it turns out they never applies... |
| 17:34.54 | olly_ | there's no requirement to use IRC |
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| 17:35.06 | carols | what olly_ said :-) |
| 17:35.43 | Nilabhra | olly_: I know, just that it's better if they have irc/mailing list ... |
| 17:35.44 | stqism | carols: That's a surprising level of ignorance :P |
| 17:35.56 | carols | stqism: all kinds in this field. all kinds. |
| 17:36.50 | olly_ | Nilabhra: jabber offers similar facilities to IRC really |
| 17:37.57 | Nilabhra | olly_: yeah, I used it last time to talk to my mentors, ended up chatting with other students, mentor never replied....never... |
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| 17:49.10 | kblin | carols: I have a bad feeling about that "a" org in my dashboard |
| 17:49.28 | kblin | carols: they didn't fill in any of the questionaire |
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| 17:57.20 | carols | kblin: well why didn't they do that |
| 17:57.22 | carols | ? |
| 17:59.09 | Nilabhra | carols: secret mission to make students write codes to detonate nuclear warheads perhaps? |
| 17:59.20 | bePolite | lol |
| 17:59.20 | carols | an interesting theory. |
| 18:00.32 | vultraz | No, it's North Korea wanting code for their rocket to the sun :P |
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| 18:01.48 | Nilabhra | vultraz: now why didn't I think of that |
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| 18:04.13 | vultraz | Nilabhra: because you do not have the vision of the Great Leader ;) |
| 18:04.39 | Nilabhra | vultraz: amen |
| 18:06.28 | olly_ | a rocket to the sun could work, you just need to make sure you land at night |
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| 18:07.27 | Nilabhra | olly_: dude, this is getting to somewhere else, considering gsoc's standards :D .... I like it |
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| 18:44.46 | carols | serves more tea and coffee |
| 18:47.10 | downey | cooks some crumpets |
| 18:47.20 | carols | why thanks downey |
| 18:47.26 | carols | you don't have to go to all that trouble ;-) |
| 18:47.31 | downey | these are the last ones that will be round |
| 18:47.39 | downey | (final round crumpets) |
| 18:48.25 | downey | hmm, it doesn't look as funny on screen as it was spoken aloud |
| 18:48.37 | stqism | downey: Most things don't |
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| 20:04.28 | chomu | hi guys |
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| 20:05.16 | chomu | i want to get selected in gsoc this year .what should i do? |
| 20:05.38 | chomu | i m good at c and c++ found boost c++ libraries interesting |
| 20:05.59 | olly_ | chomu: if you haven't already, find some orgs which interest you and talk to them |
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| 20:06.32 | chomu | i found organisation named as boost |
| 20:06.39 | carols | chomu: have you reached out to them? |
| 20:06.58 | chomu | i have just subscribed on their mailing list |
| 20:07.18 | carols | great |
| 20:07.37 | paultag | perhaps try to play around with Boost, it's pretty documente |
| 20:07.38 | paultag | d |
| 20:07.49 | paultag | and if you find something that's broken, perhaps send in a patch if you're interested :) |
| 20:08.09 | chomu | ok |
| 20:08.12 | paultag | it's no secret that orgs try to pick students that will stick around |
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| 20:08.46 | paultag | and being involved before it starts shows that you're willing to spend time on it without the promise of getting paid, which some orgs weigh higher than others |
| 20:08.47 | chomu | so you mean to say i start working on boost from now on my chances will improve |
| 20:08.49 | edsiper | +1 -> <paultag> it's no secret that orgs try to pick students that will stick around |
| 20:09.06 | paultag | chomu: depends on the org, and of course don't do it just to try to get picked |
| 20:09.20 | paultag | but when looking at students, one that engage well before soc catch my eye |
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| 20:09.30 | edsiper | chomu, try to get involved earlier, talk to the organization mentors, ask for tasks from now as you can learn and prepare better for your application |
| 20:09.30 | chomu | ok |
| 20:09.37 | paultag | it shows a lot of self-motivation, a lot of drive, and a willingness to learn |
| 20:09.46 | olly_ | they're likely to be able to write a better proposal too |
| 20:09.49 | paultag | indeed! |
| 20:09.53 | paultag | and willing mentors |
| 20:10.17 | edsiper | proactive students are always two step forward than others |
| 20:10.26 | paultag | yep |
| 20:10.27 | chomu | true dat |
| 20:10.33 | paultag | it shows they won't bail halfway through, at least |
| 20:10.43 | chomu | ya |
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| 20:11.12 | paultag | whoops |
| 20:11.27 | edsiper | akash_kanodia, dont put a space on front of a IRC command :) |
| 20:11.35 | paultag | and perhaps pick a different password |
| 20:11.37 | edsiper | and consider to change your password :) |
| 20:11.41 | paultag | (now that we all know it :)) |
| 20:11.50 | carols | it is kind of a cute password... |
| 20:11.58 | paultag | totally |
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| 20:12.01 | akash_kanodia | yeah i will have to do that now |
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| 20:12.19 | akash_kanodia | dumbledore didnt work :P |
| 20:12.45 | carols | much better than 1234 |
| 20:12.54 | carols | or "password" |
| 20:12.55 | paultag | damn, now I have to change my suitcase luggage lock |
| 20:13.00 | gevaerts | carols: now I have to change mine! |
| 20:13.03 | gevaerts | is upset! |
| 20:13.08 | carols | gevaerts: darn! |
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| 20:13.13 | paultag | hunter2 |
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| 20:14.16 | olly_ | akash_kanodia: using "/query nickserv" is a good way to avoid such slips, and saves typing if you're doing several nickserv commands |
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| 20:18.11 | edsiper | wondering if for the mentors summit will attend mentors plus students, how the handshake-presentation game will be done |
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| 20:18.59 | carols | edsiper: we're not doing the handshake game |
| 20:19.04 | carols | everyone hated it last year :-( |
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| 20:19.48 | paultag | carols: It was paced differently last year than two years ago |
| 20:19.57 | carols | indeed it was... |
| 20:19.59 | paultag | it was a lot faster two years ago |
| 20:20.01 | carols | and people still complained... |
| 20:20.09 | edsiper | carols, it was complicated because of the sun... 1:1 is slow, 1:n will be faster, so i would suggest to make N circles of 8 people so you can speed up a little |
| 20:20.10 | paultag | people will always complain :) |
| 20:20.21 | olly_ | wow, it seemed to take forever two years ago |
| 20:20.22 | paultag | that sounds just complicated :) |
| 20:20.26 | carols | it's fine, we're not doing it again :-) |
| 20:20.30 | carols | so need to optimize |
| 20:20.33 | olly_ | it's a nice idea though |
| 20:20.36 | paultag | yeah |
| 20:20.40 | paultag | but it's so big these days |
| 20:20.41 | edsiper | its nice to met each other, but split in circles will work |
| 20:21.19 | brlcad | carols: could bring in Mr Beautiful People (doc sprint) to work through mass socailization activities |
| 20:21.39 | carols | brlcad: no, no mass socialization this year at all |
| 20:21.45 | carols | we're dealing wit hundreds more people |
| 20:22.26 | brlcad | shucks, it was nice knowing more people than usual had washed their hands ;) |
| 20:22.55 | gevaerts | The big question is, will they be hundreds more people bringing or eating chocolate? |
| 20:23.09 | carols | probably not :-) |
| 20:23.18 | olly_ | we'll need a reinforced table |
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| 20:27.42 | edsiper | the logistic for this Summit should be crazy |
| 20:27.52 | paultag | Yeah. |
| 20:27.58 | paultag | Kinda sad I'll be missing it this year. |
| 20:28.08 | paultag | (or rather, have no chance of getting there :) ) |
| 20:28.14 | edsiper | just imagine the number of Visa letter requests that needs to be processed |
| 20:28.23 | edsiper | paultag, why ? |
| 20:28.27 | paultag | edsiper: let's not get carols to ragequit before it starts :) |
| 20:28.34 | paultag | edsiper: because I'm not going to org admin for Debian this year |
| 20:28.35 | carols | i'm fine :-) |
| 20:28.42 | carols | we've already got a lot of the balls in motion |
| 20:28.43 | paultag | (or likely mentor, due to workload) |
| 20:28.47 | paultag | carols: \o/ |
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| 20:28.54 | edsiper | paultag, ahh ok |
| 20:29.00 | paultag | bummed, it's always a lot of fun. |
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| 20:30.40 | edsiper | yep |
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| 20:32.31 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 20:35.07 | carols | downey: new video :-) |
| 20:35.26 | carols | you said you liked them, so I thought i'd let you know |
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| 20:45.33 | carols | through our final round of reviews :-) |
| 20:47.25 | gevaerts | So this is when you shuffle the applications and take the top ones? :) |
| 20:47.30 | carols | yep |
| 20:47.35 | carols | you got it in one there gevaerts |
| 20:48.04 | KaylieG | Anything you can exclusively tell us? |
| 20:48.12 | gevaerts | Maybe next year you could save time and not do the reviews! |
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| 20:48.35 | carols | KaylieG: yep! that the decisions have been made |
| 20:49.14 | carols | and i can also confirm that we are accepting 190 orgs this year like we said we would |
| 20:49.15 | KaylieG | Hahah I meant anything more exclusive than that? |
| 20:49.23 | KaylieG | Ah that's more like it. |
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| 20:49.41 | carols | sure, there you go |
| 20:49.45 | carols | you heard it here first |
| 20:49.46 | a_k_a_s_h | Well thats a good news |
| 20:49.50 | carols | or on the FAQs if you read them |
| 20:50.16 | KaylieG | I thought I did read them, but I must have missed that part. |
| 20:50.25 | carols | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#5._How_many_mentoring_organizations_does |
| 20:50.29 | KaylieG | I do remember reading a lot about 10% increases. |
| 20:50.44 | carols | 10% increase is for the number of students and their stipends |
| 20:50.57 | KaylieG | Ah I see. |
| 20:51.16 | carols | we're accepting 10 more orgs than we ever have before...which is 190. |
| 20:51.27 | KaylieG | That's good to hear. |
| 20:51.32 | carols | i agree. |
| 20:51.55 | carols | unfortunately, it didn't make the decisions on rejections any easier. |
| 20:51.59 | carols | those never get easier. |
| 20:52.03 | carols | always breaks my heart. |
| 20:52.29 | KaylieG | Do famous organizations also get rejected? |
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| 20:52.52 | carols | everyone has an equal chance at success and failure every year. |
| 20:53.28 | gevaerts | Assuming equally good ideas pages, presumably :) |
| 20:53.35 | carols | indeed |
| 20:53.37 | olasd | <paultag> edsiper: because I'm not going to org admin for Debian this year <- lazy paultag |
| 20:53.43 | paultag | so lazy :) |
| 20:54.28 | carols | gevaerts: assuming accessible ideas pages :-) |
| 20:55.14 | KaylieG | carols, do you work at the Mountain View office? If not, where is this being run from? |
| 20:55.19 | gevaerts | carols: I'm assuming you got more than 190 of those :) |
| 20:55.31 | carols | KaylieG: i work in san francisco. and this is being run from the internet. |
| 20:55.48 | carols | gevaerts: we did! luckily... |
| 20:56.08 | gevaerts | bets it was only just! |
| 20:56.28 | carols | it's always surprising |
| 20:56.46 | carols | i mean, would it take you that long to open another browser window just to check before you submit your app? |
| 20:57.18 | MisterH | paultag: do you know where I can find a list of organizations? first timer here, I want to see what kinds of projects these orgs offer/whatnot |
| 20:57.25 | gevaerts | If it's a permissions issue, that may not help |
| 20:57.37 | paultag | MisterH: not for this year, since they're not accepted yet |
| 20:57.44 | paultag | MisterH: but eventually, it'll be at http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
| 20:57.45 | MisterH | I see |
| 20:57.54 | MisterH | thanks for the link |
| 20:58.01 | paultag | you got it |
| 20:59.15 | perepujal | MisterH: Check the last year page for an overview |
| 20:59.16 | edsiper | carols, what would you say about quality of organization applications on the last two years ? getting better ? |
| 20:59.30 | MisterH | perepujal: will do, thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:59.39 | carols | edsiper: i would absolutely say that the quality of ideas pages went up this year |
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| 20:59.55 | carols | many more that have integrated the feedback about structure and depth |
| 21:00.02 | edsiper | nice |
| 21:00.07 | carols | still more than a few that are inaccessible or broken links |
| 21:00.11 | carols | which is disappointing |
| 21:00.17 | KaylieG | Any participants from previous years here? |
| 21:00.39 | carols | KaylieG: are you looking for other students? |
| 21:00.42 | carols | or mentors? |
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| 21:00.49 | KaylieG | students |
| 21:01.02 | carols | ok |
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| 21:03.26 | edsiper | KaylieG, there should be a bunch here, just post your question... |
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| 21:04.44 | KaylieG | Well, for people who were rejected, what do you believe was the reason your proposal was not accepted? Do you intend to change somethings around this year? How? |
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| 21:07.02 | carols | KaylieG: the section of the student manual on being turned down might help you. |
| 21:07.03 | carols | http://en.flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ch009_being-turned-down/ |
| 21:07.30 | KaylieG | Oh I've read the manual |
| 21:07.34 | carols | great |
| 21:07.45 | KaylieG | I was just wondering about individual stories |
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| 21:08.16 | edsiper | KaylieG, i think those reasons can be *many*. Many years ago before my first GSoC as student i was rejected two times... i would say that first you need to identify not what was wrong with the app, just what would help you to increase your chances, e.g: previous involvement with the organization, previous contact with org admin or mentors, your public code contributions, ability to understand the project code or at least know what it does technica |
| 21:08.16 | edsiper | lly and what each project needs to be done, convince the org you are the right one .. |
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| 21:08.55 | edsiper | KaylieG, i am 200% sure if you were rejected before, review your student application and you will find how to improve it |
| 21:09.12 | edsiper | 12 months later makes a big difference |
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| 21:10.08 | edsiper | KaylieG, first of all, make sure you are motivated to apply again, if not.. i would suggest do not try unless you change that |
| 21:10.30 | KaylieG | Oh I'm actually a first time applicant. |
| 21:10.33 | MisterH | how does one bridge the gap between uni projects and real life projects? |
| 21:10.48 | edsiper | KaylieG, so do your best and stop worrying about be denied :) |
| 21:11.22 | KaylieG | Haha it's just while I've been programming for a while now, in multiple languages, I've never gotten very far or deep in any. |
| 21:11.26 | edsiper | KaylieG, read the student manual and focus on the given suggestions |
| 21:11.40 | KaylieG | And even my experience with Linux has been fairly limited. |
| 21:11.44 | edsiper | KaylieG, you will have at some point, and doing open source will take you to the next level |
| 21:12.00 | edsiper | KaylieG, its not just about what you know, its about if you are capable to do |
| 21:12.09 | KaylieG | So I feel like my experience is the complete opposite of what open source is about. |
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| 21:12.23 | KaylieG | I'll definitely apply. |
| 21:12.33 | MisterH | KaylieG: don't limit yourself by what you know |
| 21:12.45 | KaylieG | Is there anything I should be learning right now to prepare myself? |
| 21:12.47 | carols | KaylieG: well the great thing about open source is you can start getting experience in it whenever you want. so start now. |
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| 21:12.55 | edsiper | KaylieG, if you want to join there is no problems, you have to convince your self first |
| 21:12.55 | MisterH | this is a learning opportunity as well in my opinion |
| 21:13.06 | KaylieG | Any particular language, any framework? |
| 21:13.13 | KaylieG | Or even an operating system? |
| 21:13.21 | carols | KaylieG: what does the org you want to work with say to that? |
| 21:13.42 | perepujal | KaylieG: you should learn that what a person can do, any other person can do too, including you :) |
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| 21:14.32 | KaylieG | Haha that's a nice though. I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 21:15.04 | erikw | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.10 | MisterH | erikw: I believe so |
| 21:15.14 | KaylieG | carols, I haven't decided on what organizations I'm applying to, I'll probably be waiting till the 24th. |
| 21:15.26 | MisterH | as long as you're enrolled at the time |
| 21:15.27 | carols | erikw: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#8._I_graduate_in_the_middle_of_the |
| 21:15.34 | KaylieG | But thanks for all the advice, everyone. |
| 21:15.40 | carols | KaylieG: okay, then you should ask them those questions. |
| 21:15.41 | erikw | The website seems to only require students to be enrolled before april |
| 21:15.41 | edsiper | KaylieG, you should start checking the gsoc2013 orgs so you get an idea of organizations around and projects |
| 21:15.44 | olly_ | KaylieG: you'll find orgs are rather busier then |
| 21:16.27 | carols | olly_: i think "overwhelmed" is the word you're looking for |
| 21:16.37 | carols | "deer in headlights" |
| 21:17.02 | KaylieG | Haha does it really get that bad for them? |
| 21:17.16 | gevaerts | For some, yes |
| 21:17.28 | carols | KaylieG: yes. particularly the new orgs that have never had that many people contact them at once |
| 21:17.46 | MisterH | What is a good way to make my knowledge relevant to real life scenarios? I'm stuck in the Uni Programming rut right now and I feel like what I know isn't very relevant |
| 21:17.47 | gevaerts | I'd expect it to be wordt for new orgs that happen to do games |
| 21:17.50 | gevaerts | *worst |
| 21:18.08 | KaylieG | Then I guess I'm going to have to take an extra effort to stand out without being too annoying. |
| 21:18.17 | stqism | I'd imagine it being bad for orgs not used to a bunch of publicity |
| 21:18.18 | carols | MisterH: start submitting patches to the org(s) you want to work with |
| 21:18.37 | MisterH | see, that's the thing, i'm unsure of how to apply my knowledge right now |
| 21:18.52 | MisterH | because i'm so used to writing stuff from start to finish |
| 21:18.58 | carols | MisterH: and what has the org you're working with said about that? |
| 21:19.10 | MisterH | I haven't contacted any org yet |
| 21:19.16 | carols | MisterH: start there |
| 21:19.22 | MisterH | Alright |
| 21:19.32 | stqism | MisterH: Well, here's something, use if it's C or C++, use Clangs static analyzer. Otherwise, a issue might be a start |
| 21:20.12 | MisterH | I see |
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| 21:20.40 | stqism | MisterH: It's about getting people to notice you |
| 21:20.46 | gevaerts | Well |
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| 21:20.56 | gevaerts | It's about getting people to notice you in a positive way :) |
| 21:21.00 | stqism | ^ |
| 21:21.27 | gevaerts | If you forget about the "positive" bit, it won't work |
| 21:21.34 | MisterH | I'm not asking about that. That's not the problem i'm facing right now. |
| 21:21.59 | MisterH | My problem is more of a mental wall between real programs and baby-uni programs that calculate something or solve some silly puzzle |
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| 21:22.20 | MisterH | my question isn't just with regards to soc so excuse me if it isn't relevant enough |
| 21:22.21 | gevaerts | MisterH: if you're using some open source software, find something about it that annoys you or that's wrong, and see if you can fix it |
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| 21:22.28 | stqism | MisterH: Shouldn't you be looking for orgs than? To take a look |
| 21:22.28 | MisterH | it's just a general proglem |
| 21:22.29 | KaylieG | I know what you mean about the uni thing. |
| 21:22.30 | MisterH | ah, I see |
| 21:22.54 | stqism | That's a good idea, try to break some OSS and try to fix it |
| 21:23.02 | KaylieG | They take up so much of your time doing extremely simple stuff. |
| 21:23.06 | erikw | carols: oh perfect! |
| 21:23.11 | carols | :-) |
| 21:23.13 | gevaerts | It's going to be different for different people, but I think having a specific issue or improvement in mind is a good way to start looking at a pile of source code |
| 21:23.19 | KaylieG | Not actually helping learn, or even giving the time to externally learn, much new. |
| 21:23.22 | MisterH | I mean, i've messed around a bit with xmonad but that's as far as i've gone into real stuff |
| 21:23.44 | stqism | dwm is a nice wm to play around with |
| 21:24.30 | MisterH | I see |
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| 21:27.25 | perepujal | I began to learn C by trying to fix bugs before reporting them, and was a long time before I fixed the first myself :) |
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| 21:32.00 | stqism | As a general rule of thumb, try not to fix something incorrectly. |
| 21:32.01 | stqism | A few days ago someone tried to make something match our style guidelines, and essentially broke the whole cross platform networking part using sizes |
| 21:32.01 | stqism | Of course we didn't merge it, and while we did explain to him what he did, I'm not looking at him in that good of a light. |
| 21:32.01 | perepujal | so do you don't consider that as a investment on formation of that person? I'd do |
| 21:32.01 | stqism | Well, all I got from that is while he wanted to help, he wasn't all too skilled with what he was trying to do. |
| 21:32.37 | gevaerts | It all depends on the *next* patch |
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| 21:32.54 | stqism | True |
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| 21:33.00 | gevaerts | If that one shows that lessons were learned, things should be well |
| 21:34.49 | sthorpe | One of the things I find is that while it's summer in the northern hemisphere it doesn't work that well in the southern hemisphere as all my genious students are head down in their studies. I'm in New Zealand and I wonder about the possibility of a "Google Summer Of Code Downunder" to see if there is the possibility of creating something for Ausstralians, South African's and those in the South Americas. Has this been posed before? |
| 21:35.39 | carols | sthorpe: it has! i'd absolutely love to see it happen |
| 21:35.49 | gevaerts | sthorpe: nothing involving timing has *not* been proposed :) |
| 21:35.55 | carols | please tell me you know some folks who'd like to organize it |
| 21:35.58 | carols | it would be great |
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| 21:37.46 | sthorpe | I've just stepped out of my role as the Deputy Head of the School of Computer and Mathematical Sciences at the Auckland University of Technology and it's one of the things the students have been asking. Now I have a bit more time to focus on more exciting things than staffing an dbudgets! |
| 21:37.54 | carols | awesome! |
| 21:37.58 | carols | that would be super cool |
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| 21:39.49 | sthorpe | I'm sure I could form a team on campus and bring in the others in the Australasian Computer Science Community on board. I was on the organising team of the Australasian Computer Science Week last month so can tap into the 300 or so academics that were here on campus |
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| 21:40.10 | carols | sthorpe: that's great news |
| 21:40.25 | t4nk134 | hi all |
| 21:40.42 | carols | hi t4nk134 |
| 21:41.17 | sthorpe | What's the best way to move this forward do you think? Would the discussion list be the way to go? |
| 21:41.29 | t4nk134 | my first time here. trying to get a sense of how irc's work. |
| 21:41.54 | carols | sthorpe: um, sure, you're welcome to post to the discussion list, but i assume you'd probably want to start one of your own for your program, right? |
| 21:43.01 | brlcad | t4nk134: this may help: http://brlcad.org/wiki/IRC |
| 21:43.47 | t4nk134 | great, thanks for the link! |
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| 21:45.16 | t4nk134 | a bit of background here, im a junior software engineering student at UBC vancouver canada. I've had previous experience as an intern at big software companies but have not had any open source software experience. |
| 21:45.36 | sthorpe | Not necessarily attached to my curriculaum but mor of I'd love it to be something that anyone interested in coding could step into and have the university as a possible host and promoter locally to get the young people involved. |
| 21:46.19 | sthorpe | Gidday yo UBC Vancouver from New Zealand, (my wife's from Edmonton). |
| 21:46.53 | t4nk134 | Are students allowed to pursue intern opportunities during the gsoc coding period? |
| 21:47.27 | carols | t4nk134: no, that wouldn't make you a good candidate for gsoc |
| 21:47.55 | perepujal | they are expecte dto work around 40 hours per week, so... |
| 21:49.47 | t4nk134 | I am imagining that the mentors expect students to work on their own schedule as long as they meet the deadlines and show considerable progress. |
| 21:50.08 | carols | t4nk134: it's a very good thing to discuss with your potential org. |
| 21:50.13 | carols | everyone's different/ |
| 21:51.02 | t4nk134 | yes will do that. 40 hours a week seems steep (and project dependant). |
| 21:51.05 | carols | but i can say that if you don't have a summer's-worth of activities if you're accepted into gsoc either you didn't represent yourself correctly to your org or your org did you a disservice in judging your abilities |
| 21:51.20 | carols | t4nk134: no, it's not steep. it's about right |
| 21:52.14 | MisterH | 8 hours a day of working on projects is hardly steep, imagine all the work/debugging that goes into it |
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| 21:53.03 | t4nk134 | i understand. this puts me in a tough position where i must decide between taking up a lucrative intern position (big company in Ottawa) or pursue gsoc. |
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| 21:53.29 | carols | t4nk134: well then why not go with the job? gsoc is a great program, but if you have another commitment... |
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| 21:53.36 | carols | why not do it? |
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| 21:53.52 | MisterH | well, discuss it with the organization you intend on applying to, they may accomodate you if you're willing to work hard towards both commitments |
| 21:54.11 | MisterH | but it'll be like working 2 full time jobs so it's difficult |
| 21:54.32 | carols | why stress yourself out like that? |
| 21:54.38 | carols | why not just do the job and enjoy it? |
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| 21:54.53 | MisterH | that's up to the person deciding though carols |
| 21:54.58 | t4nk134 | the only reason this is still a debate in my mind is because i've come to realise that gsoc on the resume has a greater pull than the company i will go work for |
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| 21:55.36 | t4nk134 | i think i will take my time with this decision and potentially ask the mentor for advice. |
| 21:55.36 | terri | t4nk134: really? what sort of terrible company in ottawa are you talking about? ;) |
| 21:55.51 | carols | t4nk134: you called it "lucrative" |
| 21:55.55 | carols | surely it can't be that bad |
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| 21:56.02 | t4nk134 | not terrible at all - alcatel |
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| 21:56.23 | stqism | t4nk134: Well, do whatever pulls you more, just don't wrong both people |
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| 21:56.38 | terri | But yeah, I can say that we have rejected students because they had too many other commitments for the summer. |
| 21:56.44 | t4nk134 | yea of course i'm mindful of that. |
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| 21:57.22 | terri | And we have once or twice accepted one who had an internship o rsomething starting before the end of the GSoC period. |
| 21:57.45 | t4nk134 | sidenote: it will be interesting to gain some insight on how many students have held full time intern positions while successfully completeing gsoc. |
| 21:57.49 | terri | But generally speaking, if you're early in your career, it's much more beneficial to do one thing well and be able to get glowing recommendation letters. |
| 21:58.32 | gevaerts | t4nk134: don't forget to find out how many tried and failed |
| 21:58.47 | terri | yeah, we've had more than a few failures |
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| 21:59.16 | t4nk134 | still does not seem like an alien concept - if i am willing to lock myself in over the weekends to stay on track with gsoc coding, this should be a no-brainer for the mentor. |
| 21:59.20 | gevaerts | I think some people have said that for their organisation it's the main cause of failure |
| 21:59.57 | terri | gevaerts: We've never been sure if the students were making it up, but definitely "you're failing midterms" is sometimes met with "but I took on this part time job an dI just need..." (they still fail) |
| 22:00.31 | gevaerts | terri: of course they still fail. They're telling you it's their own fault :) |
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| 22:01.21 | MisterH | there's no real point in stressing yourself out that much and leaving that much to chance |
| 22:01.23 | terri | t4nk134: It's definitely possible to do both, but let's just say that many orgs have gotten burned by students who over-estimated their dedication. You're pretty likely to get flat-out rejected. |
| 22:01.23 | gevaerts | t4nk134: you'd have to convince the organisation that you can actually do that, including e.g. at times where both your internship and gsoc aren't going brilliantly |
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| 22:02.02 | terri | Many projects get a *lot* of applicants. you just aren't going to look that appealing compared to someone who's willing to commit more strongly. |
| 22:02.10 | stqism | Well, this has been a lovely talk from a potential mentor orgs point of view. |
| 22:02.26 | MisterH | what exactly does a mentor do? |
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| 22:03.17 | gevaerts | Depends |
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| 22:04.29 | gevaerts | Help the student with technical issues, explain how the community works, help the student navigate mailing list flamewars, get annoyed when the student hasn't shown up for a few days or more, ... |
| 22:05.05 | gevaerts | And get involved in student selection of course |
| 22:05.10 | t4nk134 | thanks for bringing up valid concerns - i do not wish to spread myself too thin. i will take my time with making the decision. anyway looking forward to begin wokring on open source projects. |
| 22:05.22 | t4nk134 | thanks all |
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| 22:06.27 | terri | t4nk134: good luck! Definitely a hard choice. I know folk at Alcatel who felt it was a great place to work (and others who left in disgust) but you're right that it will be very different than an open source experience. |
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| 22:09.15 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 22:09.39 | gevaerts | runs out of cough syrup, so he gets some tea |
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| 22:10.54 | stqism | serves cough syrup, for some reason |
| 22:11.14 | gevaerts | Thanks! |
| 22:11.44 | carols | sorry you're sick, gevaerts :-( |
| 22:12.02 | gevaerts | carols: I'm getting better. Just the cough left, really :) |
| 22:12.20 | carols | i hate that part of the cold...you feel fine but all your friends and coworkers are scared |
| 22:12.41 | carols | and you know you're going to end up in some very quiet area and start coughing uncontrollably |
| 22:12.42 | carols | at least |
| 22:12.44 | carols | i always do |
| 22:12.51 | gevaerts | *everyone* at work is coughing these days anyway :) |
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| 22:13.52 | downey | is slow |
| 22:13.59 | downey | Oooh, video! |
| 22:14.11 | downey | goes to Youtube |
| 22:14.23 | carols | enjoy downey :-) |
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| 22:17.05 | carols | downey: i mention in the video that i'm on irc :-) |
| 22:17.08 | carols | so here i am |
| 22:17.09 | carols | for questions |
| 22:17.28 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 22:17.53 | downey | carols: i'm looking but cant find it yet ... url? |
| 22:18.06 | carols | downey: https://plus.google.com/102168248469649733567/posts/R1F9W2S4WmP |
| 22:18.30 | downey | thanks, have tried to avoid G+ today to get work done ;-) |
| 22:18.44 | carols | seems like that's working for you so far ;-) |
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| 22:20.02 | downey | carols: now if i could only do something about the meetings .... |
| 22:20.11 | downey | updates his org ideas page with the video |
| 22:20.14 | carols | downey: yeah, can't help you there...sorry |
| 22:20.27 | carols | downey: what a great idea :-) |
| 22:20.40 | downey | carols: is the title supposed to be "Google Summer of Code 201"? |
| 22:21.04 | carols | downey: i'll check |
| 22:21.18 | Talad | hi carols, if you need anything about our application "Atomic Blue" please let me know. |
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| 22:21.33 | gevaerts | downey: that way it can server for a few more years :) |
| 22:21.34 | Talad | like if something is not clear or you need more info |
| 22:21.34 | carols | Talad: we're all done with reviews this year, but thanks for the offer :-) |
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| 22:21.46 | Talad | ok, good. |
| 22:21.50 | gsock | good news for students, stipend is up to $5,500. I'm applying this year. |
| 22:22.27 | downey | gevaerts: 201x |
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| 22:25.32 | gsock | out of curiosity, are any organizations being flooded by gsoc e-mails right now? |
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| 22:26.41 | terri | gsock: as in, emails from students? it doesn't seem worse than last year for me. |
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| 22:26.52 | gsock | terri: yes, students. |
| 22:30.26 | carols | gsock: i think the "flooding" happens after org announcement :-) |
| 22:30.37 | carols | currently its a trickle of the students who know what's best for them |
| 22:31.12 | hiker | We (supertuxkart) already had the first students asking, and starting to work on tickets ;) |
| 22:31.25 | carols | hiker: would you call it a "flood"? :-) |
| 22:31.34 | hiker | carols: link to your video added to our gsoc page ;) |
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| 22:31.39 | carols | hiker: cool! |
| 22:31.44 | carols | hope it helps |
| 22:31.48 | hiker | Not a flood yet, but more than we had last year |
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| 22:32.18 | hiker | btw, I have an interview/blog post with sourceforge lined up for gsoc ;) |
| 22:32.33 | gsock | carols: yes I think so too, but i wouldn't be surprised if some people are already inquiring in advance. i'll be waiting until Monday. |
| 22:32.35 | hiker | Unfortunately too late to help with the orgs applications |
| 22:33.03 | carols | gsock: why not reach out now? what's stopping you? |
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| 22:34.35 | gsock | carols: good idea, it's really going to be competitive. i'll check past organizations that i'm sure will be accepted and look up their ideas page for 2014 (if they're up). |
| 22:34.45 | carols | gsock: great idea. |
| 22:36.24 | Talad | carols: if all analysis is done, is it fair to ask privately ask results for your org? |
| 22:36.33 | carols | Talad: nope |
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| 22:36.40 | Talad | or you prefer to do all at once at announce date? |
| 22:36.42 | carols | everyone finds out at the same time |
| 22:36.47 | Talad | ok, sounds good to me |
| 22:36.47 | carols | not only would i prefer it, i require it :-) |
| 22:36.59 | stqism | gsock: Never assume someone will get accepted :P |
| 22:37.14 | Talad | is there public data on how many orgs applied compared to last year? |
| 22:37.19 | carols | Talad: yes |
| 22:37.20 | carols | 371 |
| 22:37.24 | carols | (this year) |
| 22:37.38 | Talad | a good number |
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| 22:38.28 | gsock | stqism: i understand what you mean, but wikimedia, KDE, Mozilla, Apache and others seem to get accepted every year, so I think there are some organizations we can reasonably assume will be accepted. |
| 22:41.33 | stqism | gsock: Last year Haiku wasn't let in to give others a chance, as I hear :P |
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| 22:42.22 | carols | stqism: every year we cut orgs that have participated before to make way for new orgs |
| 22:42.51 | stqism | carols: I see, now my info is officially confirmed :) |
| 22:42.56 | carols | we try to always get "new blood" and that often means rejecting orgs that we have no problem with their app or their ideas page, we just need the space |
| 22:43.16 | carols | stqism: i'm sure if you looked at the IRC logs from the feedback meeting i said that as well |
| 22:43.23 | carols | probably multiple times to multiple orgs |
| 22:43.58 | gsock | stqism: right. WordPress wasn't accepted before last year either, anyway we'll see on Monday. |
| 22:44.24 | stqism | carols: Yeah, I haven't read the logs of long ago, but I'll be watching this years |
| 22:44.54 | carols | i think it would probably be very informative for most outsiders |
| 22:45.14 | carols | i do a whole pre-amble too where i talk about trends we saw in this year's apps and so forth |
| 22:46.18 | carols | gsock: wordpress participated in 2011... |
| 22:46.41 | gsock | carols: i mean it wasn't accepted in 2012 but it was accepted last year. |
| 22:46.48 | carols | right. |
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| 22:47.33 | gsock | carols: is it 5 proposals per organization or 5 proposals total? |
| 22:47.48 | carols | gsock: 5 proposals total, you decide how you want to split them |
| 22:47.51 | carols | having said that |
| 22:47.59 | gsock | ok, thanks. |
| 22:48.00 | carols | i really would recommend quality over quantity |
| 22:48.26 | carols | i would much prefer that you submitted two really great apps than 5 mediocre ones |
| 22:49.23 | gsock | i agree, both quality and quantity matter. 5 quality proposals would increase chances of being accepted. |
| 22:49.40 | carols | no, you know what would increase your chances of being accepted even more? |
| 22:49.54 | carols | having already contributed to the org through patches and community involvement |
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| 22:50.01 | gevaerts | Five quality proposals is almost unheard of |
| 22:50.09 | carols | that's going to get you much farther than 5 proposals will |
| 22:50.20 | carols | what gevaerts said |
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| 22:50.41 | gevaerts | So sure, if you manage to do that, you're increasing your chances, but the expectation would be that you're just lowering quality |
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| 22:52.04 | gsock | ok, i don't think i'll have that much time so i'll be working on two organizations and submitting patches too. |
| 22:54.01 | olly | has noticed that our highest ranked proposals have almost all been the student's only application |
| 22:54.24 | olly | (and we don't use that as a ranking criterion) |
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| 22:54.50 | gsock | olly: wait, organizations can see we're applying to other organizations too? |
| 22:55.12 | carols | gsock: no, they can't see that. |
| 22:55.20 | olly | we ask students if they are, as it's useful to know |
| 22:55.30 | gsock | carols: ok, good. |
| 22:55.39 | carols | and it will become public if you end up in a duplicate situation :-) |
| 22:55.46 | olly | if we have 4 slots, we need to pick 4 proposals plus enough to cover any we might lose due to duplicates |
| 22:56.05 | olly | or decides we want to return a slot then |
| 22:56.22 | olly | though melange also gives clues about whether a proposal is the only one from a student |
| 22:56.52 | olly | gsock: but i wouldn't worry an org will penalise you for applying elsewhere |
| 22:57.21 | olly | we realise students will often want to apply elsewhere |
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| 23:00.13 | terri | concentrating on two orgs seems reasonably doable, if the de-duplication meeting is any indication |
| 23:05.00 | downey | still thinks keeping proposals secret doesn't seem very "open source" ... oh well ;-) |
| 23:05.28 | olly | downey: you can require students to make the public - debian does for example |
| 23:05.40 | downey | olly: We don't require it but do encourage it ;-) |
| 23:06.37 | brlcad | we usually tell students to submit at least two proposals to our org (if they're our top pick) and at least one more to another org |
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| 23:07.00 | brlcad | we nearly always have had more mentors than qualified students, though |
| 23:07.26 | brlcad | so we don't want a good student to not get selected just because a particular proposal isn't in an area of mutual interest |
| 23:07.37 | brlcad | (relatively speaking of course) |
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