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| 00:05.50 | olly_ | carols: i'd welcome a review of our project ideas page if you have the time: http://trac.xapian.org/wiki/GSoCProjectIdeas |
| 00:05.56 | carols | excellent |
| 00:06.00 | carols | i'd be happy to do that |
| 00:06.37 | carols | olly_: that looks great. |
| 00:06.51 | carols | i wish all the ideas pages i looked at were as thorough as this |
| 00:07.29 | carols | in fact, i have no useful feedback, it looks great :-) |
| 00:07.39 | downey | needs more cowbell :) |
| 00:07.44 | carols | well, yes. |
| 00:07.48 | carols | what downey said. |
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| 00:08.24 | stqism | olly_: That's one lovely looking page. |
| 00:08.53 | downey | xapian++ |
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| 00:09.24 | carols | seriously...depth, breadth, a nice intro for students. well-thought-out ideas. |
| 00:09.34 | carols | gosh, let's hope everyone takes that model. |
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| 00:10.32 | olly_ | looks up the cowbell reference |
| 00:11.09 | carols | olly_: you haven't seen that skit? |
| 00:11.11 | carols | really? |
| 00:11.19 | olly_ | we don't get SNL down here |
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| 00:12.33 | carols | fair enough, it's just one of those things i thought everyone had heard :-) |
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| 00:13.32 | kblin | holy... didn't realize what time it was |
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| 00:13.41 | ignacio|here | gcibot, you rock :D |
| 00:14.02 | ignacio|here | ouch |
| 00:14.05 | ignacio|here | gcibot, why you'rent operator :P |
| 00:16.00 | ignacio|here | hey sttaylor :) |
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| 00:16.36 | sttaylor | hi ignacio |
| 00:16.51 | ignacio|here | Good to see you in irc :P |
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| 00:18.55 | sttaylor | I pop in occasionally :) |
| 00:19.15 | ignacio|here | Yay! :) |
| 00:19.36 | olly_ | returns from watching "more cowbell", courtesy of the internet |
| 00:19.52 | carols | olly_: are you forever changed? |
| 00:19.55 | olly_ | carols: thanks for the feedback, will try to add more cowbell |
| 00:20.02 | carols | olly_: excellent. |
| 00:20.08 | olly_ | i'm always forever changed |
| 00:20.16 | ignacio|here | hey sttaylor |
| 00:20.16 | carols | fair point. |
| 00:20.25 | ignacio|here | sttaylor, what I need for be gci mentor? |
| 00:20.47 | sttaylor | ignacio: to be a vci mentor you have to be 18 |
| 00:20.49 | olly_ | has never really understood the "puts on his pants one leg at a time thing" though |
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| 00:20.52 | sttaylor | gci mento rather |
| 00:21.08 | ignacio|here | oh cool |
| 00:21.38 | carols | olly_: you don't just jump in with both legs at the same time? |
| 00:21.39 | ignacio|here | wants to participate in gsoc :) |
| 00:22.49 | olly_ | carols: i'm not sure this is totally on topic, but I usually sit on the edge of the bed and insert both legs together, then stand up |
| 00:22.58 | olly_ | perhaps I've discovered some brand new technique |
| 00:23.02 | carols | olly_: i agree. i think we've digressed. |
| 00:23.09 | carols | ignacio|here: great, as a student or as a mentor? |
| 00:23.26 | sttaylor | gsoc is an awesome program with amazing people involved. Again you need to be 18 so a few more years... ignacio ;) |
| 00:23.53 | ignacio|here | carols, just a student |
| 00:23.59 | carols | cool :-) |
| 00:24.03 | ignacio|here | sttaylor, only few mores gci's for start with gsoc :) |
| 00:24.34 | vultraz_old | is still GCI-age too |
| 00:25.04 | ignacio|here | :) |
| 00:25.05 | sttaylor | we have had quite a few GCI students go on to be GSoC students when they were old enough and we expect that number to continue to rise. |
| 00:25.13 | stqism | olly_: carols I think I'm doing something wrong, you don't do a hand stand first? |
| 00:25.24 | vultraz_old | yet I ended up developer rank in the org I first participated in GCI for, before even getting to do gsco |
| 00:25.27 | vultraz_old | ironic |
| 00:25.29 | carols | stqism: that was part of the putting on the shirt thing, i thought... |
| 00:25.54 | ignacio|here | btw |
| 00:25.55 | ignacio|here | gci changed my social life :P |
| 00:26.11 | stqism | carols: Huh, I always though you cartwheeled in to shirts. |
| 00:26.19 | ignacio|here | hey sttaylor because i won gci, now I have a internet connection :) yay! :) |
| 00:26.23 | carols | stqism: fair enough. maybe a matter of style :-) |
| 00:26.43 | stqism | carols: It's really sped up getting ready in the morning :P |
| 00:27.16 | sttaylor | ignacio: wow you now have an internet connection because you won GCI? That's pretty cool |
| 00:27.23 | vultraz_old | After 4 years, I still don't know if carols is a guy or a gal |
| 00:27.34 | carols | vultraz_old: turns out it doesn't matter :-) |
| 00:27.56 | ignacio|here | sttaylor, yeah :) The government gift me a internet connection :D |
| 00:28.10 | stqism | ignacio|here: Wait, the Goverment did that? Wow |
| 00:28.31 | ignacio|here | stqism, yeah, you need to won gci :P |
| 00:28.42 | ignacio|here | and government gift you a Fiber Optic connection 20download/2upload haha |
| 00:28.52 | ignacio|here | and maybe a laptop :) |
| 00:29.16 | vultraz_old | ignacio|here: Chile? |
| 00:29.21 | stqism | ignacio|here: I'm from Southern California, I pay absurd amounts of money for my Internet :P |
| 00:29.21 | ignacio|here | vultraz_old, Uruguay |
| 00:29.46 | ignacio|here | stqism, :/ Government gift me a internet connection for 1 year.. |
| 00:29.47 | vultraz_old | ah |
| 00:29.56 | ignacio|here | when it finish I need to pay ~$50 |
| 00:30.08 | vultraz_old | $50? cheap |
| 00:30.33 | sttaylor | ignacio: wow that's really amazing |
| 00:30.38 | stqism | ignacio|here: That's rather nice of them |
| 00:31.24 | ignacio|here | :) |
| 00:31.36 | ignacio|here | Yeah as I say |
| 00:31.40 | ignacio|here | GCI changed my life :P |
| 00:31.52 | stqism | I can tell! Glad you won :P |
| 00:32.07 | sttaylor | ignacio: well hopefully your trip to San Francisco for the grand prize trip will be life changing too :) |
| 00:33.04 | ignacio|here | :) |
| 00:33.07 | ignacio|here | sttaylor, thx :) |
| 00:42.28 | dom96 | carols: Sorry to bother you. But would you mind also reviewing our project's ideas list? https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/wiki/GSoC-2014-Ideas :) |
| 00:42.35 | carols | dom96: sure |
| 00:42.56 | carols | dom96: some of those ideas need more detail |
| 00:43.07 | carols | one sentence for a description is not enough |
| 00:43.40 | carols | and the description should include some idea of an intended outcome of the project |
| 00:43.48 | dom96 | Yeah. Some of them are less thorough than others. |
| 00:44.02 | dom96 | Will do, thanks. |
| 00:44.17 | meflin | carols: when you free could I PM you for a idea review |
| 00:44.18 | carols | dom96: you'll probably also want some info on your org itself on that page since that may be the first thing students see about you before anything else |
| 00:44.22 | carols | meflin: sure |
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| 00:45.15 | stqism | I'd totally love some peer review on our ideas page we redesigned for the 20th time :P http://wiki.tox.im/Proposed_Google_Summer_of_Code_ideas |
| 00:45.35 | ignacio|here | hey sttaylor one question |
| 00:45.50 | ignacio|here | There are translators in San Francisco? |
| 00:46.03 | sttaylor | ignacio: during the trip? no |
| 00:47.19 | sttaylor | if you are doing the Alcatraz tour there are audio tours in many languages but other than that everything will be in English. |
| 00:48.11 | ignacio|here | oh my god :P |
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| 00:48.37 | carols | stqism: i think it's quite good :-) |
| 00:49.30 | stqism | carols: Thanks :) as I think I'm starting to make apparent, I'm never truly satisfied with things like that :P |
| 00:49.43 | carols | fair enough :-) |
| 00:49.51 | vultraz_old | ignacio|here: why would you need a translator since you're speaking english right npw |
| 00:50.14 | ignacio|here | vultraz_old, I can write it |
| 00:50.17 | ignacio|here | but I can't speak it xD |
| 00:50.39 | stqism | vultraz_old: I have a friend like that, only being able to write in it is sorta common |
| 00:50.44 | vultraz_old | can you understand it, spoken? |
| 00:51.36 | sttaylor | ignacio: we have had students from all over the world come on the grand prize trip with many different native languages represented over the years |
| 00:51.51 | sttaylor | and while some students are rather shy about their English I have always found that their English is quite good and is much better than they think it is : ) |
| 00:52.06 | ignacio|here | you think? |
| 00:52.14 | ignacio|here | I cant say few words without an error |
| 00:52.18 | stqism | ignacio|here: You speak it well. |
| 00:52.42 | stqism | ignacio|here: Type, better than some native speakers I've met. |
| 00:52.45 | ignacio|here | :_ |
| 00:52.58 | ignacio|here | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.43 | ignacio|here | btw |
| 00:53.44 | stqism | ignacio|here: Don't worry, you'll be fine. I'm like that with German. At the very least, I'm sure other students will speak your native language. |
| 00:53.55 | ignacio|here | sttaylor, there are few surprises like last year? -A nexus 4 :P |
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| 00:54.02 | ignacio|here | stqism, only one :/ |
| 00:54.08 | sttaylor | ignacio: I agree with stqism. And I can guarantee you speak better English than I do any other language. Everyone understands that non native English speakers may have some broken sentences and that's totally okay. :) |
| 00:54.52 | sttaylor | ignacio: we're still working on trip details. But we always hope students are surprised... |
| 00:54.55 | stqism | ignacio|here: Don't worry, even if you make a mistake or two, we'll know what you're saying :P |
| 00:55.02 | meflin | ignacio|here: I have a secret you for you .. |
| 00:55.35 | meflin | the ppl who annoy me the most are non-native speakers always correcting me |
| 00:56.10 | meflin | your English is a lot better then you think |
| 00:56.13 | stqism | meflin: So you wouldn't like him telling you it's... "secret for you"? :P |
| 00:56.26 | umccullough | meflin, *than |
| 00:56.28 | umccullough | ;) |
| 00:56.31 | meflin | stqism: that is actually an example |
| 00:56.40 | ignacio|here | really? |
| 00:56.48 | stqism | Oh! Didn't realize that was intentional. |
| 00:57.00 | meflin | I like a whole lot of native speakers only speek bad-english |
| 00:57.08 | meflin | stqism: it wasn't :) |
| 00:57.27 | stqism | ignacio|here: You're just not confident in your English. Trust me, it isn't bad :-) |
| 00:57.36 | umccullough | some of the worst english i've encountered comes from native english speakers... |
| 00:58.08 | vultraz_old | umccullough: true, dat |
| 00:58.09 | summatusmentis | y'all ain't ne'er heard no bad english 'round these parts, y'hear? |
| 00:58.37 | ignacio|here | but what happen if I dont know a spanish word in english? :p |
| 00:58.42 | stqism | summatusmentis: wut u tryn 2 sai |
| 00:58.45 | umccullough | google translate |
| 00:58.58 | ignacio|here | umccullough, in san francisco? |
| 00:58.59 | ignacio|here | .-. |
| 00:59.03 | umccullough | oh |
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| 00:59.06 | meflin | ignacio|here: the only spanish word you need is .. taco .. order them |
| 00:59.09 | ignacio|here | in Alcatraz? :P |
| 00:59.11 | ignacio|here | meflin, haha |
| 00:59.25 | umccullough | ignacio|here, you'll be fine - san francisco is full of spanish-speakers :) |
| 00:59.47 | umccullough | in fact, California probably has more spanish-speaking people than english :P |
| 01:00.10 | stqism | We were once part of Mexico, you know. |
| 01:00.36 | stqism | Well, sorta |
| 01:00.58 | meflin | some parts where |
| 01:01.04 | meflin | tasty tasty parts |
| 01:01.36 | vultraz_old | Spain was interested in two things: missions and el dorado |
| 01:01.54 | vultraz_old | (if that's even the right word) |
| 01:02.01 | vultraz_old | (me no speak spanish) |
| 01:02.35 | vultraz_old | (city of gold) |
| 01:02.50 | stqism | ignacio|here: If you forget a word, remember, Google translator has an amazing voice translating mode. |
| 01:04.54 | ignacio|here | stqism, yeah haha |
| 01:04.55 | ignacio|here | umccullough, cool |
| 01:05.34 | umccullough | ignacio|here, you're a GCI prize winner i guess? |
| 01:05.52 | ignacio|here | umccullough, yes :) |
| 01:05.58 | umccullough | maybe i'll see you :) |
| 01:06.04 | umccullough | i plan to attend the first day anyway |
| 01:06.17 | umccullough | what org were you with? |
| 01:06.37 | ignacio|here | sugar labs |
| 01:06.41 | umccullough | oh nice |
| 01:06.42 | ignacio|here | cool |
| 01:06.54 | ignacio|here | yay :D |
| 01:06.59 | umccullough | i'll be there for Haiku |
| 01:07.22 | umccullough | and possibly also another mentor |
| 01:07.51 | ignacio|here | Cool |
| 01:07.52 | ignacio|here | Gonzalo go for sugarlabs |
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| 01:08.50 | vultraz_old | So whats it like at google? |
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| 01:09.49 | meflin | the food is mediocre at best ;) the bikes are painted in many coulors and its full of geeks |
| 01:10.20 | ignacio|here | haha |
| 01:11.36 | stqism | meflin: I saw the last one a mile away :) |
| 01:12.46 | meflin | I expect that GCI and gsoc-summit will be very different tho |
| 01:13.02 | ignacio|here | :P |
| 01:13.26 | meflin | ignacio|here: no I"m envious :) |
| 01:13.37 | meflin | mentor sumit is on the weekend when everything is shut down |
| 01:13.55 | meflin | so the geeks are nice ;) but also not normal google-day |
| 01:13.59 | olly_ | IIUC, the mentor summit food is external caterers |
| 01:14.11 | meflin | olly_: not breakfast or lunch |
| 01:14.17 | ignacio|here | who are the food in gci? xD |
| 01:14.29 | meflin | it should be noted that I'm kinda a food snob :D |
| 01:14.57 | umccullough | this year, the gsoc summit won't even be at google hq will it? |
| 01:15.11 | meflin | not this year |
| 01:15.19 | meflin | whole different thing this year |
| 01:16.16 | meflin | its also going to be huge |
| 01:17.36 | stqism | Huge? |
| 01:17.47 | olly_ | 10th year of gsoc |
| 01:17.59 | stqism | Makes sense |
| 01:18.17 | olly_ | so there's apparently going to be a big "reunion" of some sort |
| 01:18.27 | meflin | there is a cap but all years of mentors and students are invited |
| 01:19.32 | sttaylor | meflin: the details are still being decided. It is unlikely it will be completely open to everyone that has participated in GSoC. |
| 01:19.34 | stqism | That sounds exciting |
| 01:20.03 | sttaylor | meflin: we just had a long meeting about the big reunion this week and are busy working on details. |
| 01:20.16 | olly_ | meflin: ISTR LH telling me the on campus summit food was caterers too, but perhaps I misunderstood (or maybe it's no longer true) |
| 01:20.47 | meflin | sttaylor: ah I misunderstood :) |
| 01:20.49 | sttaylor | the on campus food is Google (not outside caterers) at least not jun the last 3 years |
| 01:20.54 | sttaylor | not in rather |
| 01:21.24 | sttaylor | meflin: no worries :) |
| 01:21.25 | olly_ | sttaylor: thanks for clarifying |
| 01:22.01 | meflin | sttaylor: imagine if it was all with no cap .... the bay area would double in population ;) |
| 01:22.41 | sttaylor | meflin: Carol is working very hard on the details and it will definitely be very cool! |
| 01:22.56 | meflin | I have no concerns about cool factor :) |
| 01:24.02 | meflin | every MS its always even better |
| 01:24.11 | sttaylor | :D |
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| 01:55.11 | ignacio|here | aggggggh |
| 01:55.11 | ignacio|here | http://terrycavanaghgames.com/maverickbird/ |
| 02:07.04 | ignacio|here | Good night guys |
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| 02:09.41 | ignacio|sleep | haha :P |
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| 02:44.13 | Cervator | Heyo GSOC. Anybody around who can help me figure out why neither of my backup administrators have valid profiles as per the Create Organization Profile ? I sent them to https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 and they reported back with their username |
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| 02:52.11 | Cervator | Aha - capital sensitive usernames ;-) |
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| 03:10.37 | cpg | hey guys, we have been working on our ideas page |
| 03:10.48 | cpg | wanted to see if there is any feedback: https://wiki.amahi.org/index.php/Google_Summer_of_Code_Ideas |
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| 03:13.01 | stqism | cpg: Well, some places don't have mentors, some places don't have skills, and some things don't look detailed enough. |
| 03:13.13 | stqism | cpg: Otherwise, it isn't bad. |
| 03:13.43 | cpg | stqism: yes, we're working on them. thanks |
| 03:14.19 | stqism | cpg: I like how the sections worked on mobile |
| 03:14.43 | cpg | workd? |
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| 03:14.48 | cpg | worked?* |
| 03:15.38 | stqism | No, how it worked. Like it's formatting. |
| 03:16.55 | cpg | got it |
| 03:17.16 | stqism | I can see how you were inspired by kde |
| 03:18.46 | cpg | i think way back we looked at a few and the description/objective stuck |
| 03:19.01 | stqism | cpg: You accidentally used a wrong word in the 2nd paragraph. mode |
| 03:20.14 | stqism | cpg: Also, Package VoIP and/or PBX system |
| 03:20.15 | stqism | Is empty ;-; |
| 03:20.25 | cpg | yes, we just added that |
| 03:20.34 | cpg | working on some of them as we speak |
| 03:20.49 | cpg | is that too many possible projects? |
| 03:20.55 | cpg | will adding more ideas hurt? |
| 03:21.29 | stqism | No, but your mentor to project layout is pretty small |
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| 07:47.10 | dirkhh | silly question... when completing the questionaire and hitting SUBMIT... what's supposed to happen? |
| 07:47.26 | dirkhh | I just get back to the same page, no error, no indication if this was successful or failed... |
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| 07:47.37 | stqism | dirkhh: It submit :P |
| 07:48.05 | dirkhh | hehe. oops. then I have submitted it about six times by now as I keep trying :-/ |
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| 07:48.34 | dirkhh | odd that there's no "thanks for submitting" or "successfully submitted" feedback :-) |
| 07:48.43 | stqism | Seriously. |
| 07:50.11 | dirkhh | thanks stqism |
| 07:50.22 | stqism | Np |
| 07:51.56 | olly_ | dirkhh: you can check in your dashboard that it has been submitted |
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| 07:53.21 | Regit | Hello, I may be a mentor for two organisations. Is that an issue ? |
| 07:54.22 | stqism | Regit: Nope? |
| 07:54.25 | stqism | Nope! |
| 07:54.36 | Regit | stqism: thanks! |
| 07:54.57 | stqism | Np |
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| 09:54.46 | gsocbot | joshwambua: "next" is February 14th: Mentor organization application deadline |
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| 13:32.57 | dhawal | Hello |
| 13:33.08 | dhawal | has scikit-learn applied for GSoC 2014 |
| 13:33.09 | adi2412 | Hey |
| 13:36.11 | adi2412 | yes |
| 13:36.16 | adi2412 | they will be partiicipating |
| 13:36.17 | adi2412 | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=52F3F887.4040805%40gmail.com&forum_name=scikit-learn-general |
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| 13:40.34 | derdon | adi2412: how do you know they got accepted? |
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| 13:43.25 | fsimonce | hi everyone, I am registering an organization at: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/profile/register/org_member/google/gsoc2014 "Create organization member profile", the "member" part is confusing me... should I provide the info of the organization (that wants to be member of gsoc) or the info of the representing member of such organization? |
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| 13:44.51 | dom96 | fsimonce: info of the representing member |
| 13:45.00 | fsimonce | dom96, thanks! |
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| 14:09.07 | BeckiC | I need a little assistance with the application. When I enter an Organization ID, it tells me that it is no formatted correctly |
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| 14:09.31 | BeckiC | I've tried a few different ones, incase it was an issue of it already being in use, and none of them are accepted |
| 14:09.43 | gevaerts | BeckiC: are you using uppercase? |
| 14:09.53 | gevaerts | I believe it needs to be all lowercase |
| 14:10.22 | BeckiC | perfect, thanks! |
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| 14:38.02 | mudpie22 | Is Evergreen applying as an organization this year? |
| 14:39.32 | mudpie22 | I wonder which organizations work in Core java. Half the orgs I tried from the 2013 list have empty IRC channels. |
| 14:40.39 | anshulk | I believe you can search java on the orgs list |
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| 14:43.04 | mudpie22 | anshulk: I just tried that. I was wondering whether anyone has leads here. |
| 14:43.49 | anshulk | mudpie22, fine. Just wanted to make sure you know about that. All the best. |
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| 14:47.46 | Niharika | Hello! |
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| 14:47.59 | stqism | Howdy |
| 14:48.01 | anshulk | Niharika, hello! |
| 14:48.28 | Niharika | Perfected the application, stqism? |
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| 14:50.53 | ignacio|here | gcibot, you're cool |
| 14:51.01 | stqism | Of course, Niharika |
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| 14:52.34 | DaSpirit | Hey, are they any samples to mentoring organization proposals? |
| 14:52.38 | ignacio|here | gcibot, you're the best bot :') Thx for all work in gci! |
| 14:52.49 | ignacio|here | gcibot, go off :) |
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| 14:59.02 | cdesai | ignacio|here: nice bot you got there |
| 14:59.08 | cdesai | s/got/had/ |
| 14:59.55 | ignacio|here | :'( |
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| 15:46.41 | pablohof | hi, i wrongly created the organization member profile with the user name that the organization was supposed to have. is there any way to change this (i couldn't change the user name by editing the profile)? |
| 15:47.05 | pablohof | or maybe i should ask in #melange or somewhere else ? |
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| 15:47.27 | gevaerts | I suspect #melange is the place to ask |
| 15:47.45 | gevaerts | I don't know if any of the people who can help you are awake at this time though |
| 15:48.56 | pablohof | ok, thanks gevaerts |
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| 16:12.29 | MatthewWilkes | Anyone else noticed students being more enthusiastic than usual this year? |
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| 16:12.42 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i have! |
| 16:12.50 | carols | more ready to submit patches and stuff |
| 16:13.05 | downey | MatthewWilkes: yes |
| 16:13.16 | stqism | carols: Whatever happened to no one asking for ideas review? Someone came here just for that last night. |
| 16:13.32 | carols | stqism: oh really? i'm sorry i missed him/her |
| 16:13.39 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I've spent my day fielding worried core developers who are confused why students are already making proposals |
| 16:14.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: well, that's a bit of jumping the gun... |
| 16:14.11 | MatthewWilkes | indeed |
| 16:14.19 | stqism | MatthewWilkes: Hey, thanks! Forgot to mention anything on proposals. |
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| 16:14.29 | downey | I think everyone's a bit caught off guard by things being early this year |
| 16:14.38 | MatthewWilkes | especially as they're based on old ideas lists |
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| 16:15.07 | downey | I'm having to be especially rough on my mentors to get their ideas pages pulled together :) |
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| 16:15.46 | carols | it would appear the orgs haven't been as enthusiastic as the mentors though :-( |
| 16:15.52 | carols | not a ton of proposals yet. |
| 16:15.54 | MatthewWilkes | carols: no? |
| 16:16.00 | carols | MatthewWilkes: no |
| 16:16.01 | downey | i hope i'm still not the last one |
| 16:16.04 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Well, they're not due until tomorrow, you know what we're like :P |
| 16:16.10 | DaSpirit | Does the organization application have to list available mentors? |
| 16:16.10 | MatthewWilkes | FTR, plone's is in |
| 16:16.50 | carols | DaSpirit: no, it's not required. but its really, really nice for us to see so we know how big your community is and to show you've thought out who's going to mentor what idea from your ideas page |
| 16:17.11 | DaSpirit | What if the community is small? |
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| 16:17.20 | carols | DaSpirit: then we want to know that. |
| 16:17.28 | carols | we want to know who you are :-) |
| 16:17.34 | downey | carols: does it bug y'all that we're constantly iterating on our mentors & ideas up until proposals come in? if so i could try to stop it :) |
| 16:17.44 | carols | downey: no, not at all. |
| 16:17.44 | DaSpirit | All right, I'm trying to get this game engine to sign up for Google Summer of Code. |
| 16:17.53 | carols | DaSpirit: great :-) |
| 16:17.55 | DaSpirit | carols, do you work for Google? |
| 16:18.01 | carols | DaSpirit: i do, yes. |
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| 16:18.25 | DaSpirit | carols, the game engine I want to apply, the founder is getting interviewed to work at Google today :p |
| 16:18.41 | carols | DaSpirit: cool :-) |
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| 16:18.56 | MatthewWilkes | PSA: Make sure you push your ideas pages live before tomorrow, don't leave them in state where only logged in users can see it |
| 16:19.02 | DaSpirit | It's his second interview, I hope he gets in. |
| 16:19.23 | carols | take it from MatthewWilkes . he knows. |
| 16:19.40 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I'm resigned to being a cautionary tale. |
| 16:19.43 | umccullough | lol |
| 16:20.13 | carols | MatthewWilkes: you know, it makes for a good story for the youngin's |
| 16:20.19 | MatthewWilkes | It does |
| 16:20.27 | MatthewWilkes | got quite a laugh at the summit last year! |
| 16:20.33 | carols | i get to call you out at the mentor summit every year |
| 16:20.33 | quanon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:21.19 | carols | quanon: much improved! but i still would expect the description/expected outcome to be more in depth. |
| 16:21.45 | DaSpirit | How many organization applications get rejected each year? |
| 16:21.58 | carols | !numapps |
| 16:21.59 | gsocbot | carols: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 16:22.22 | stqism | quanon: It might just be the train WiFi, but I can't load that. |
| 16:22.22 | stqism | I take that back. |
| 16:22.26 | carols | quanon: and could you put the description above the bullet points? it'll just make it easier for me to read |
| 16:23.00 | MatthewWilkes | carols: oh, actually, I've got a question. May I PM? |
| 16:23.05 | carols | MatthewWilkes: of course. |
| 16:23.10 | quanon | carols, ok, is there some guideline I could follow for expanding the description and expected outcome |
| 16:23.14 | DaSpirit | What's the biggest thing that makes an application get rejected? |
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| 16:23.38 | carols | quanon: you've already read the section of the FAQ and the manual on your ideas page? |
| 16:23.44 | carols | DaSpirit: a poor ideas page. |
| 16:23.48 | brlcad | throws a wet snowball at carols |
| 16:23.53 | DaSpirit | Makes sense. |
| 16:24.05 | DaSpirit | Also, is it fine if the organization has no mailing list but has forums? |
| 16:24.17 | stqism | carols: I thought you said that people don't ask you to review things! |
| 16:24.18 | quanon | carols, yes. |
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| 16:24.31 | carols | stqism: they don't! this is all new! |
| 16:24.46 | stqism | carols: You tell me that but it's all I see :P |
| 16:25.07 | carols | quanon: then that's the guidance :-) i can't help you further from there since i don't know your ideas, you're the only one that can tell the students what the project should look like |
| 16:25.55 | quanon | carols: ok, will try expand on the description and expected outcome |
| 16:26.00 | carols | quanon: great |
| 16:26.07 | carols | you're already moving in the right direction |
| 16:26.16 | carols | brlcad: you missed. |
| 16:26.18 | carols | :-P |
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| 16:36.09 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:36.54 | meflin | I'm going to need a lot of tea today |
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| 16:37.15 | meflin | since its the last min everyone decided to answer there email :D |
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| 16:40.00 | brlcad | carols: I realized that when I threw it west and it barely made it to the end of the block |
| 16:40.07 | brlcad | it was at least in your general direction |
| 16:40.28 | brlcad | (over a foot and a half of snow came last night here) |
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| 16:42.23 | ilv | carol: I've been looking for 2014 idea pages in several orgs that participated last year and I've noticed a considerable amount that has no 2014 idea page so far |
| 16:42.41 | brlcad | ilv: that's usually the case -- give them another 24 hours |
| 16:42.45 | ilv | considering there are less than 2 days left to deadline, is this normal? |
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| 16:42.51 | ilv | alright that was my doubt |
| 16:43.19 | Cervator | are there nerds that do not procrastinate? :D |
| 16:43.24 | meflin | it is oddly normal |
| 16:43.53 | umccullough | ask me again later |
| 16:43.56 | stqism | Cervator: My first draft proposal was done on the 2nd day. |
| 16:44.17 | stqism | Cervator: Absurdly early group here, it's weird. |
| 16:44.38 | Cervator | we got ours done a day or two ago, i'm somewhat amused that still sounds to be slightly early :-) |
| 16:44.59 | stqism | Earlier than 99.9% of applicants :P |
| 16:45.02 | brlcad | we get started crazy early but then aren't ever done until the last minute... it's a busy week |
| 16:45.11 | carols | ilv: yeah, it's kind of a sad truth about this program. we tell the students not to wait until the last minute, but the orgs wait until the last minute. |
| 16:45.25 | brlcad | our app was submitted the first day and will probably be tweaked until the deadline hour |
| 16:45.38 | carols | brlcad: i owe you some socks for that, i think |
| 16:45.49 | carols | your app was the first one if you don't count ospo |
| 16:45.54 | umccullough | heh |
| 16:45.57 | brlcad | carols: you don't know how many socks I went home with last year |
| 16:46.08 | ilv | where I live people say that doing things in the last minute is part of our culture |
| 16:46.11 | carols | brlcad: i'm sure it was a lot if you listened to us trying to get people to take tem |
| 16:46.19 | ilv | but I see it's not just here |
| 16:46.28 | carols | ilv: it's sad |
| 16:46.31 | umccullough | are they thermal socks? |
| 16:46.35 | stqism | It's starting to sound like you guys are practically throwing gsocks at people. |
| 16:46.44 | carols | because every year it's 3 minutes after the close and people are whining to me |
| 16:46.47 | brlcad | umccullough: they are "GSoC" (gee-socks) |
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| 16:47.03 | umccullough | so... they're not thermal? :( |
| 16:47.24 | brlcad | calf socks, reasonably soft and warm |
| 16:48.27 | rick_h_ | carols: ping, hello it was suggested I see if you have time to peek at the task list I've got for this year's gsoc. First time mentor finding way through things. https://docs.google.com/a/mitechie.com/document/d/1F51s9_faKf_GraKthtT0mCsQQvu-LMdnLwlliSZ3rJ4/edit |
| 16:48.27 | carols | umccullough: you're asking for a feature request on a pair of socks you've never seen or worn that are free?? |
| 16:48.35 | carols | rick_h_: i would love to! |
| 16:48.42 | carols | this is so refreshing. |
| 16:49.02 | rick_h_ | carols: thanks, appreciate it |
| 16:49.13 | carols | rick_h_: so, firstly, we need an intro to your project and who you are. the ideas page is the first place people are going to look to find out about you |
| 16:49.33 | rick_h_ | carols: sorry, yes. I guess you don't see all the other form stuff I submitted. |
| 16:49.41 | carols | rick_h_: oh, i do! |
| 16:49.46 | carols | but if you're accepted the students won't |
| 16:49.55 | rick_h_ | carols: oh good to know. |
| 16:49.57 | carols | the first thing the students will see is your ideas page |
| 16:50.05 | carols | rick_h_: we fight for the students |
| 16:50.09 | rick_h_ | carols: gotcha, makes sense. Will update. |
| 16:50.14 | meflin | to the death :D |
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| 16:50.49 | carols | rick_h_: obviously, i'm sure you know this, but the skills need to be filled in in all those sections |
| 16:51.07 | Cervator | curiously, does the ideas page get recorded right at the deadline or are we not supposed to edit it afterwards? |
| 16:51.19 | carols | Cervator: it depends on what you mean by that |
| 16:51.25 | rick_h_ | carols: yes, I listed out the skills in each task |
| 16:51.33 | Cervator | tweaking formatting, adding more ideas if we come up with them, etc :-) |
| 16:51.37 | umccullough | carols, is there a bug tracker for reporting enhancements to the socks? |
| 16:51.39 | rick_h_ | carols: sorry, I'll reformat. It's not clear that the paragraph below is the skills details |
| 16:52.07 | carols | Cervator: it's publicly available at the exact moment that accepted orgs are announced. but you can still edit it whenever you want..it's your page after all |
| 16:52.11 | carols | rick_h_: cool |
| 16:52.34 | Cervator | okay :-) |
| 16:52.58 | carols | Cervator: but you should expect students to see it immediately |
| 16:53.06 | carols | and that's one of the criteria we use when judging ideas page |
| 16:53.09 | carols | *pages |
| 16:53.20 | Cervator | that's fine, it is available now even and not particularly hidden or anything |
| 16:53.21 | carols | "would this be approachable to a student who visited this page right now?" |
| 16:53.31 | carols | great |
| 16:53.34 | Cervator | yep we're still adding some polish :-) |
| 16:53.38 | carols | great |
| 16:53.44 | stqism | I feel like I started a org ideas page review movement. |
| 16:53.50 | Cervator | incoming review request a little later :D |
| 16:53.54 | meflin | you did |
| 16:53.57 | carols | stqism: i think you did. it's so great |
| 16:54.22 | kblin | the heck? |
| 16:54.33 | kblin | publishers, the same everywhere |
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| 16:58.53 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: s/everythere/throughout The Territory/ |
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| 17:05.52 | rick_h_ | carols: thanks for the feedback. Updated and reads a lot nicer. |
| 17:06.01 | carols | rick_h_: excellent |
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| 17:18.17 | rubbersheep | hey guys |
| 17:18.44 | carols | hi rubbersheep |
| 17:18.58 | rubbersheep | any idea when can we participants start applying? |
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| 17:19.08 | carols | rubbersheep: have you checked out the timeline? |
| 17:19.08 | scorche|sh | !timeline |
| 17:19.08 | gsocbot | scorche|sh: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 17:19.24 | rubbersheep | i will. |
| 17:19.27 | rubbersheep | thanks a lot |
| 17:19.29 | carols | cool |
| 17:19.30 | carols | yw |
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| 17:21.01 | carols | any other easy questions? |
| 17:21.04 | carols | :-) |
| 17:21.15 | rubbersheep | so it's after 24th i suppose |
| 17:21.17 | rubbersheep | cool |
| 17:21.28 | downey | carols: what's the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 17:21.52 | Ivanovic | carols: giw are you? |
| 17:21.52 | rubbersheep | really looking forward to this time's gsoc |
| 17:21.59 | Ivanovic | downey: your question is not too fair |
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| 17:22.14 | umccullough | african or european? |
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| 17:22.25 | Ivanovic | downey: you need to at least specify the material of which the "air" constsists... |
| 17:22.36 | downey | umccullough: i don't know that..... |
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| 17:22.52 | downey | is suddenly cast into the gorge |
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| 17:23.23 | galaxyfeeder | hi |
| 17:23.41 | carols | Ivanovic: giw? |
| 17:23.43 | carols | hi galaxyfeeder |
| 17:24.00 | Ivanovic | oh, after a day of work typing is no longer possible... i meant "how" |
| 17:24.18 | Ivanovic | obviously too much brainstorming today, now the brain is empty |
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| 17:25.19 | vultraz_old | brainstorming projects? :) |
| 17:26.12 | Ivanovic | vultraz_old: nah, normal work stuff |
| 17:26.43 | Ivanovic | just thinking how we can save/destroy the world, no idea how you view it |
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| 17:28.05 | carols | Ivanovic: i'm fine. to answer your question. how are you? |
| 17:28.26 | Ivanovic | i am fine, too, just tired after a working day where i actually had to use my brain... |
| 17:28.34 | Ivanovic | (okay, that is usually the case, but, uhm...) |
| 17:28.40 | carols | pity, that having to use your brain thing... |
| 17:29.08 | Ivanovic | yeah, using the brain will for sure lead to headaches when done too often |
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| 17:29.32 | carols | Ivanovic: i have a headache right now. think that's why? :-) |
| 17:29.39 | Ivanovic | might very well be |
| 17:29.44 | carols | yep. |
| 17:29.47 | Ivanovic | or you did not have enough coffee / tea |
| 17:29.47 | carols | i should take the day off. |
| 17:29.48 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:29.49 | carols | oh wait. |
| 17:29.53 | carols | i can't do that :-P |
| 17:30.07 | downey | passes the ibuprofen |
| 17:30.12 | carols | thanks downey |
| 17:30.16 | carols | got that one covered |
| 17:30.21 | carols | and having some tea for the caffeine as well :-) |
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| 17:33.16 | carols | over 300 people in here :-) |
| 17:33.21 | carols | you'd think it was org app time |
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| 17:33.32 | Cadair | should really get on that |
| 17:33.42 | carols | Cadair: i hope so |
| 17:33.48 | carols | the numbers are a bit sad right now :-( |
| 17:33.56 | Ivanovic | carols: i guess it is org app time |
| 17:34.04 | carols | Ivanovic: so it must be |
| 17:34.11 | Ivanovic | and tomorrow you will be *very* busy... |
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| 17:34.25 | carols | Ivanovic: and over the weekend, and next week, and next weekend... |
| 17:34.33 | Cadair | hopes for better luck this year |
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| 17:35.15 | carols | Ivanovic: but maybe not if the numbers don't improve... |
| 17:35.37 | Ivanovic | carols: such a low number of applications so far? |
| 17:35.41 | Ivanovic | wow, that surprises me really |
| 17:36.07 | carols | Ivanovic: yeah, 219, which is less than half what we had last year |
| 17:36.21 | carols | well, okay |
| 17:36.25 | carols | not quite less than half |
| 17:36.27 | carols | but still |
| 17:36.47 | carols | surprises me too! |
| 17:37.02 | carols | i had really hoped our efforts at outreach this year would have upped the numbers... |
| 17:37.16 | carols | (and the fact we're trying to accept more orgs than ever before) |
| 17:37.44 | carols | downey: i think my videos didn't work :-( |
| 17:38.09 | downey | carols: do you know the last-minute trend from last year? |
| 17:38.11 | downey | or years past |
| 17:38.31 | carols | downey: yes, for sure. but do you really think we'll get another 200 apps in less than 24 hours? |
| 17:38.43 | carols | i mean, that's a big jump.. |
| 17:38.53 | Cervator | i hear the timeline was moved up a bit, could that be throwing some orgs off? |
| 17:40.23 | carols | Cervator: possibly? |
| 17:40.26 | carols | i guess that's it? |
| 17:40.32 | carols | that's distressing :-( |
| 17:40.41 | umccullough | i know it threw us off a bit |
| 17:40.52 | carols | sighs |
| 17:41.02 | carols | i guess there really is no "right" timeline for this program |
| 17:41.10 | meflin | nope :) |
| 17:41.11 | umccullough | i think consistency is important ;) |
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| 17:41.48 | umccullough | what's going to happen is - people will see the announcement of orgs accepted, and realize "crap, we forgot!" |
| 17:41.57 | umccullough | and then they'll plan for next year |
| 17:41.58 | downey | i can imagine that happening this year |
| 17:41.59 | umccullough | hopefully |
| 17:42.01 | carols | umccullough: yeah, i hate to say it, but i think you're right |
| 17:42.30 | meflin | its also possible that apps will be of higher quality this year |
| 17:42.33 | umccullough | i guess we could make some news today... |
| 17:42.52 | carols | meflin: actually, i think i agree with you on that. the ones i've seen have been much improved over last year |
| 17:43.36 | meflin | last years decline is student apps from my point of view left me with even more good apps |
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| 17:44.00 | umccullough | carols, did ReactOS submit their app yet? |
| 17:44.05 | downey | this year is 6 weeks earlier, right? |
| 17:44.14 | umccullough | goes to poke the admin |
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| 17:44.56 | carols | umccullough: did you ask them? :-) |
| 17:45.08 | carols | umccullough: you get the same answer the students get on this |
| 17:46.03 | downey | !numapps |
| 17:46.04 | gsocbot | downey: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 17:46.46 | meflin | my recreational irc channel is full of gsoc'ers and none of us where caught unaware of the earlier date |
| 17:46.52 | ignacio|here | gsocbot, ping |
| 17:46.52 | gsocbot | pong |
| 17:46.57 | ignacio|here | yay |
| 17:47.14 | meflin | altho that kinda makes it easy only 1 persons for like 10 orgs needed to notice ;) |
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| 17:48.22 | umccullough | carols, i asked him, they submitted it |
| 17:48.28 | carols | umccullough: excellent |
| 17:48.33 | carols | see, you didn't need me :-) |
| 17:48.39 | umccullough | i had reminded them last week but forgot to follow up ;) |
| 17:48.46 | Ivanovic | made sure that the wesnoth application was already submitted last saturday |
| 17:49.04 | Ivanovic | what is remaining now is adding stuff to and polishing our ideas list |
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| 17:49.52 | Ivanovic | carols: regarding the outreach: i think it really helps with getting students aware, that does not mean it makes mentor orgs aware |
| 17:50.09 | Ivanovic | though the larger ones should long now and the rest should based on how early stuff was started |
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| 17:50.21 | carols | Ivanovic: it's true, it doesn't. it's a shame. or maybe it's a good thing, because only the orgs that really know what they're getting into applied? |
| 17:50.30 | Slurpee | Another point of view is that orgs are waiting on last minute project submissions within their community. Drupal setup a deadline of Wednesday (yesterday) to submit and we still have ideas coming in that need to be finalized for our application. |
| 17:50.54 | Ivanovic | Slurpee: i submitted when there was only *one* idea on our ideas page which was "write your own idea" |
| 17:50.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:50.56 | carols | Slurpee: it's certainly possible. and i'm sure we'll see an influx of apps in these last 24 hours |
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| 17:51.11 | carols | it's just hard for me to believe it will be an additional 200+ orgs waiting until the last minute :-) |
| 17:51.12 | Ivanovic | in the meantime more ideas were created and added |
| 17:51.22 | Slurpee | carols, I agree. 200 is a bit much. |
| 17:51.25 | carols | yeah |
| 17:51.34 | Ivanovic | carols: there will be about 30 saying " we tried to submit in the last minute and our computer failed!!!!" |
| 17:51.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:51.43 | carols | Ivanovic: oh, ain't that the truth. |
| 17:51.48 | meflin | so I guess I'm going to win the org count pool :D |
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| 17:52.03 | carols | meflin: it's looking more likely! |
| 17:52.05 | brlcad | carols: while the downside might be fewer orgs to select from, that's not necessarily a bad thing |
| 17:52.10 | brlcad | GCI having fewer orgs works out fantastic |
| 17:52.17 | carols | brlcad: oh, i completely agree. |
| 17:52.21 | Ivanovic | brlcad: GCI is different! |
| 17:52.23 | brlcad | the students have a smaller sea to wade through |
| 17:52.30 | Ivanovic | requires a completely different setup on the orgs side |
| 17:52.30 | meflin | also think of how many hours of your weekend will be saved! |
| 17:52.31 | carols | not having to spend 80 hours next week sifting through applications will be amazing. |
| 17:52.58 | Ivanovic | fears for carols sanity after reading completely through all proposals |
| 17:53.08 | carols | Ivanovic: i fear for it as well. every year. |
| 17:53.16 | paultag | haha |
| 17:53.21 | Ivanovic | carols: it might have been easier if i just sent you the diff for wesnoth compared to last year |
| 17:53.23 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 17:53.30 | carols | Ivanovic: you make a fair point. |
| 17:53.52 | brlcad | Ivanovic: very different, but the student perspective is still the common question "who should I work with" and chosing 1 out of 100 vs 200 makes things easier for them I'd think |
| 17:54.12 | Slurpee | or everyone is busy watching to olympics ;) |
| 17:54.25 | Ivanovic | brlcad: the common answer will still be "look for a project which interests you in your normal time!" |
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| 17:54.27 | Slurpee | or everyone is busy watching the olympics :( |
| 17:54.32 | Ivanovic | brlcad: so no difference there |
| 17:54.36 | carols | Slurpee: maybe that's the new theory. "less org apps due to olympics" |
| 17:54.53 | Slurpee | lol |
| 17:55.04 | meflin | gsoc is cutting into my hockey watching I'm afraid |
| 17:55.08 | brlcad | sure, but less looking |
| 17:55.12 | Ivanovic | the most intersting part about olympia this year is how germany leads the medal ranking |
| 17:55.22 | brlcad | certainly wont' make the questions go away unless there was just one org ;) |
| 17:55.37 | brlcad | which I'd be fine with so long as we're the one org (hah) |
| 17:55.39 | AmineKhaldi | hey hey carols |
| 17:55.43 | Slurpee | is watching Canada vs Norway hockey as we type |
| 17:55.44 | carols | hi AmineKhaldi |
| 17:55.45 | AmineKhaldi | we didn't need you ? :) |
| 17:55.51 | AmineKhaldi | of course we did :) |
| 17:55.57 | carols | AmineKhaldi: need me? for what? |
| 17:55.59 | meflin | Slurpee: no spoilers its on the dvr :D |
| 17:56.03 | AmineKhaldi | you just helped us a couple days ago with the name thing |
| 17:56.13 | AmineKhaldi | is the ReactOS admin ;) |
| 17:56.16 | carols | AmineKhaldi: ah, well, that was simple :-) |
| 17:56.38 | AmineKhaldi | okay, here's something a little trickier: how does https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014 look ? :) |
| 17:56.39 | carols | AmineKhaldi: and that was done over email and i don't tell people in publicly logged channels about what i say in emails :-) |
| 17:56.50 | AmineKhaldi | hehe |
| 17:56.52 | carols | AmineKhaldi: i'll take a look |
| 17:56.56 | AmineKhaldi | thanks |
| 17:57.13 | skaldarnar | thanks for the hockey hint :D |
| 17:57.39 | carols | AmineKhaldi: looks good over all! there's a few ideas on there i'd like to see have a more lengthy description and/or expected outcomes |
| 17:57.45 | carols | AmineKhaldi: but overall, very strong |
| 17:58.08 | Slurpee | meflin, one advantage of working from home is being able to watch Olympics all day every 2 years. |
| 17:58.20 | AmineKhaldi | carols: thanks, can you give me some examples ? because we relied on the extensive overviews/documentation in the references for some |
| 17:58.34 | Slurpee | meflin, world cup is fun too :) |
| 17:58.45 | carols | AmineKhaldi: sure, hold on a sec |
| 17:58.45 | AmineKhaldi | (for example some ideas are extensively covered through MSDN...etc) |
| 17:59.18 | Slurpee | AmineKhaldi, nice work on the wiki. Very nicely organized. |
| 17:59.26 | AmineKhaldi | thanks :) |
| 17:59.31 | carols | AmineKhaldi: so for example "inter high definition audio bus driver" basically doesn't tell me at all what the student is expected to produce there |
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| 17:59.36 | carols | *intel |
| 17:59.47 | AmineKhaldi | notes down |
| 18:00.00 | carols | AmineKhaldi: i mean, sure, it's got a one-liner. but for a student who might want to work on that, what does that mean? |
| 18:00.16 | carols | AmineKhaldi: same for "internet protocol helper" |
| 18:00.30 | carols | AmineKhaldi: same for "multi-monitor support" |
| 18:00.40 | carols | i mean, it might be obvious to you and i what that means |
| 18:00.42 | AmineKhaldi | these are the ones we relied on MSDN for :) |
| 18:00.48 | carols | but might not to students who have never heard of you before :-) |
| 18:01.00 | AmineKhaldi | I guess we need to summarize a bit from the references into description sentences |
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| 18:01.08 | carols | AmineKhaldi: yeah |
| 18:01.23 | carols | those are the ones that leap out at me |
| 18:01.46 | AmineKhaldi | understood |
| 18:01.51 | AmineKhaldi | thanks ! :) |
| 18:02.01 | carols | yw |
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| 18:04.45 | carols | you know, maybe we're moving into a new world with gsoc org apps. one where people ask for feedback on their ideas pages and i get a smaller number of higher quality apps |
| 18:04.51 | carols | this is totally fine with me. |
| 18:06.04 | carols | gosh, maybe the rejected orgs meeting will be shorter too. |
| 18:06.08 | carols | that would be nice. |
| 18:06.15 | AmineKhaldi | :) |
| 18:06.32 | downey | carols: can the leftover budget go for tea? :P |
| 18:06.40 | carols | downey: absolutely. |
| 18:06.44 | carols | but don't tell rob. |
| 18:06.49 | carols | he'll want to use it for chocolate. |
| 18:07.02 | downey | hmm, rough call |
| 18:07.09 | d3r1ck | hello carols |
| 18:07.14 | carols | d3r1ck: hello |
| 18:07.25 | AmineKhaldi | carols: cookies ! |
| 18:07.27 | d3r1ck | one mre day left for mentoring organisations |
| 18:07.31 | d3r1ck | *more |
| 18:07.36 | carols | d3r1ck: tell me about it. |
| 18:07.59 | d3r1ck | what you are the admin of GSOC channel and you are telling me to tell you about it? |
| 18:08.07 | carols | d3r1ck: :-) |
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| 18:08.15 | d3r1ck | or are my interpreting a different thing? |
| 18:08.34 | AmineKhaldi | (it's an expression) |
| 18:08.41 | carols | what AmineKhaldi said. |
| 18:10.48 | Ivanovic | tea and chocolate... |
| 18:10.55 | Ivanovic | this sounds like a great chance for a summit! |
| 18:10.58 | downey | cocoaTea++ |
| 18:11.17 | carols | d3r1ck: did you have a question? or were you just saying hello? |
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| 18:12.07 | stqism | Coffee time http://imgur.com/sFSS7LV |
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| 18:15.58 | ignacio|here | Anyone can access to |
| 18:15.58 | ignacio|here | https://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/6141100335038464 |
| 18:16.57 | carols | ignacio|here: why are we visiting this page? |
| 18:17.17 | ignacio|here | carols, I'm are gci participant, and I want to see another tasks .-. |
| 18:17.22 | ignacio|here | (I know that finished) |
| 18:17.26 | carols | ignacio|here: ok |
| 18:17.34 | carols | yeah, we're focusing on gsoc right now :-) |
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| 18:17.39 | ignacio|here | I know :P |
| 18:17.43 | carols | great |
| 18:17.45 | ignacio|here | But bugs, are bugs :P |
| 18:17.57 | carols | indeed they are. |
| 18:18.12 | ignacio|here | :( |
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| 18:18.19 | ignacio|here | I get the 500 eror |
| 18:18.21 | ignacio|here | *error |
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| 18:25.42 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 18:25.54 | carols | sips some tea |
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| 18:30.55 | umccullough | ignacio|here, i think probably #melange is the best place to discuss those bugs :) |
| 18:31.09 | ignacio|here | umccullough, oh cool |
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| 18:38.20 | Cervator | okay, here's another review request then :-) https://github.com/MovingBlocks/Terasology/wiki/GSOC |
| 18:38.30 | carols | Cervator: sure, i'll take a look |
| 18:38.31 | Cervator | oh how i wish GitHub wikis had an auto-TOC :-( |
| 18:39.08 | Cervator | skills are kind of mixed into the relatively brief descriptions, can split them out into a separate bullet point if needed |
| 18:39.41 | carols | Cervator: yeah, i think i'd like that. not a huge deal, but it would make it easier to read. |
| 18:40.38 | carols | Cervator: also, are the "contacts" supposed to link somewhere? or are you just intending that as a list and students are using some other method to interact with you? |
| 18:40.59 | Cervator | haven't linkified the names yet :-) |
| 18:41.03 | Cervator | still more polish coming |
| 18:41.42 | carols | Cervator: yeah, i think more polish, but otherwise quite good |
| 18:41.47 | Cervator | i figure link the names to github users and forum users |
| 18:41.50 | Cervator | thanks :-) |
| 18:41.50 | carols | sure |
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| 18:43.37 | stqism | ignacio|here: If you want bugs to fix I have a lovely curses resizing bug :P all you've gotta do is deal with a signal correctly |
| 18:43.58 | ignacio|here | :P |
| 18:44.18 | tomreyn | hi, i've heard from a couple games that hey won't apply this year since they're under the impression (apprently due to how projects were chosen those past years) that google is rather looking for 'classic scientific' projects. is there any truth to this, or is it just a rumor? |
| 18:45.11 | stqism | tomreyn: That's just a rumor, I hope. |
| 18:45.29 | carols | tomreyn: that's a rumor, and quite a vicious one at that |
| 18:45.37 | gevaerts | tomreyn: I can't speak for google of course, but that has never been my impression |
| 18:45.44 | carols | i should hope just looking at the list of orgs that have participated in the past would lay that rumor to rest |
| 18:46.05 | tomreyn | yes i did look at this list |
| 18:46.12 | carols | great! |
| 18:46.15 | tomreyn | and i see that there were games on it all the time |
| 18:46.20 | carols | then surely that shows you how not true that is :-) |
| 18:46.57 | tomreyn | sorry for bringing it up then ;) |
| 18:47.10 | gevaerts | I think I've seen complaints about the gsoc selection being biased against X every year, for all sorts of X |
| 18:47.51 | gevaerts | Actually, I'm pretty sure people have been upset about there being (in their view) too many games |
| 18:47.55 | tomreyn | well those weren't complaints, just staetments |
| 18:48.03 | gevaerts | Usually people who didn't get in :) |
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| 18:48.24 | gevaerts | "Why did you accept X, which is a *game*, while we, who are a serious project, got rejected?" |
| 18:48.34 | tomreyn | :) |
| 18:49.01 | tomreyn | this sounds quite subjective, too |
| 18:49.11 | gevaerts | Of course, if those rumours are there, and if people believe them and don't apply for that reason, there will be fewer games this year, so the rumour-spreaders will feel vindicated... |
| 18:49.25 | gevaerts | hopes that won't happen |
| 18:49.38 | carols | tomreyn: well, if your complaint is that our org app review is subjective, that's one we'll have to take. it is in fact done by people and not computers. |
| 18:49.48 | Cervator | submitted a game and is hoping for the best |
| 18:50.56 | gevaerts | hopes this year will be *all* games :) |
| 18:51.02 | tomreyn | carols: no, no, no, i did not mean to suggest that the review process i flawed at all. it could have been that there is a policy on this, maybe public or not, and then it'd still not be a problem. |
| 18:51.26 | carols | tomreyn: we have no such policies. |
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| 18:51.38 | carols | in fact, quite the opposite |
| 18:52.05 | carols | we try to choose as wide a *range* of projects as possible so we ensure students will find someone doing something they're interested in, whatever that is |
| 18:52.17 | tomreyn | i was never involved in gsoc and i heard people say something about games, i'm involved in a game, i'm preparing the application and should now spend some time on myking it look nice, and wondered whether it's worth the time. |
| 18:52.30 | tomreyn | that's why i was asking. and now i'm convinced it's worth it. |
| 18:52.35 | carols | great. |
| 18:52.49 | meflin | you could even have your ideas page reviewed here |
| 18:53.01 | carols | now i've got meflin campaigning for me :-) |
| 18:53.07 | tomreyn | thanks |
| 18:53.08 | tomreyn | hehe |
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| 18:53.28 | meflin | I counting that for today if they do :D |
| 18:53.35 | tomreyn | i might get back on that offer by proxy when i'm ready, if it still stands then |
| 18:53.50 | meflin | well not much time left :) |
| 18:54.10 | tomreyn | when's the deadline, sometime tomorrow isn't it |
| 18:54.21 | meflin | yes |
| 18:54.25 | carols | tomreyn: the offer stands until 18:00 UTC tomorrow, at which point I can't do any further reviews since i have to make sure the program apps close correctly |
| 18:54.27 | gevaerts | tomreyn: carols *will* review your ideas list, but if you ask for it before the deadline, things she doesn't like about it don't count against you and can still be fixed :) |
| 18:54.50 | tomreyn | sounds like a great offer :) |
| 18:54.58 | tomreyn | thanks for your time. |
| 18:55.03 | carols | yw. |
| 18:58.41 | meflin | makes more tea |
| 18:58.50 | carols | thanks meflin |
| 18:59.02 | carols | i've been drinking a lot of it this morning myself. |
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| 19:10.08 | stqism | I gave up a day of excessive gsoc proposal page editing for travel. Can't tell if it was the right call or not. |
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| 19:10.28 | carols | stqism: only time will tell |
| 19:10.53 | meflin | if it was wrong it wasn't excessive :) |
| 19:11.04 | stqism | carols: You're stressing me out ;-; |
| 19:11.12 | carols | sorry :-) |
| 19:11.14 | meflin | passes stqism some tea |
| 19:11.37 | stqism | meflin: It'll spill on the train :P |
| 19:11.59 | meflin | ah so kind of you to share with your fellow passengers |
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| 19:20.12 | meflin | carols: that one counts for me |
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| 19:20.31 | carols | meflin: alright |
| 19:20.48 | meflin | :D |
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| 19:41.39 | carols | well, that was a fun flurry of requests for ideas page reviews earlier |
| 19:41.41 | carols | any more? |
| 19:41.58 | meflin | still poke a few with sticks :D |
| 19:42.02 | meflin | poking |
| 19:42.04 | carols | yeah :-) |
| 19:42.07 | AmineKhaldi | :) |
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| 19:46.24 | dom96 | carols: Can you review mine again? I've made some improvements. https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/wiki/GSoC-2014-Ideas :) |
| 19:46.29 | carols | dom96: sure |
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| 19:46.48 | carols | dom96: wow, so much better! |
| 19:47.00 | dom96 | carols: Thanks! :D |
| 19:47.01 | stqism | I love it, it's like I've caused a movement. |
| 19:47.27 | meflin | carols: stqism should probably get some Gsox for that ;) |
| 19:47.42 | carols | dom96: i can only quibble that a couple idea descriptions are a little short, but it's really not a problem at all. it looks *much* better. |
| 19:47.55 | carols | that's a good point meflin |
| 19:48.01 | carols | stqism: would you like some gsocks? |
| 19:48.14 | stqism | carols: I wouldn't mind a pair :P |
| 19:48.25 | carols | stqism: sure, email me your address. i'll send them along |
| 19:48.43 | gevaerts | wonders what people *do* with all these gsocks :) |
| 19:48.55 | carols | gevaerts: do you always wear sandals? :-) |
| 19:49.02 | gevaerts | I do :) |
| 19:49.03 | meflin | gevaerts: I put them up for santa to leave me geeky things in |
| 19:49.11 | gevaerts | Oh, clever! |
| 19:49.17 | carols | gevaerts: that's probably why you're confused :-) |
| 19:49.30 | dom96 | carols: I tried to expand them as much as I could. You can only write so much about wrapping GTK heh. I will still try to think about what else I can write about though. Thank you again :) |
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| 19:49.40 | carols | dom96: no problem. looks good. |
| 19:49.47 | gevaerts | carols: my sandals aren't *that* confusing! I only rarely mix up left and right :) |
| 19:49.52 | carols | gevaerts: :-) |
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| 19:57.38 | Slurpee | carols, since you're checking out idea pages...do you mind looking at Drupal's idea page real quick? I cleared the entire day to organize the ideas and finalize application with backup admins. Any feedback before we start would be truly appreciated. https://groups.drupal.org/node/404778 |
| 19:57.46 | carols | Slurpee: sure |
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| 19:58.05 | umccullough | carols, sounds like some of our mentors will be embellishing our ideas page possibly this weekend - I assume that's not a big deal |
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| 19:59.02 | carols | umccullough: depends on what you mean by "big deal." there will be members of our team judging your ideas page starting at 19:02 UTC tomorrow, so you should be sure that whatever you have at that point is what you want to present to our committee. However, do we care if you modify things for yourself? no. |
| 19:59.13 | umccullough | ok |
| 19:59.18 | olly_ | ooh, so 2 minutes leeway! |
| 19:59.19 | umccullough | I will let them know |
| 19:59.40 | umccullough | fwiw, the timeline says you will be reviewing them starting on 2/17 ;) |
| 19:59.52 | gevaerts | olly_: yes, we can relax now! |
| 19:59.57 | gevaerts | *plenty* of time left! |
| 20:00.00 | carols | Slurpee: i feel like there's some cases where you emphasized quantity over quality on these ideas. :-) you certainly have a lot of them, but some of them don't quite get the objective across.. |
| 20:00.32 | Slurpee | carols, one of our goals it to clean up, merge, and filter out some of those ideas. |
| 20:00.43 | carols | Slurpee: okay, cool. i like that plan :-) |
| 20:00.58 | carols | the format and structure and a good portion of the ideas look good to me |
| 20:01.02 | Slurpee | Yesterday was our deadline, but ideas keep coming in. |
| 20:01.05 | carols | but it's not quite primetime material yet |
| 20:02.00 | Slurpee | carols, do you care to see info for students/mentors? Or should I create an "organized idea page" that is only info about approved tasks and mentors? |
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| 20:02.53 | carols | Slurpee: all on one page is ever-so-slightly preferable, but with the length of your ideas page i could certainly see an argument for breaking it out. it's up to you. |
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| 20:09.51 | Slurpee | carols, are you interested in seeing all of the mentor profile info? Many mentors did not add profile info about themselves to wiki, but we thought it was good to show our mentor support in various languages/countries/timezeones. |
| 20:10.17 | carols | Slurpee: nope. i just want to know that these people exist and are committed to mentoring. i don't need to contact them |
| 20:10.18 | livingstore | hi carols, were talking to meflin and terri and they told us to run our ideas page by you. Here's the link http://binpy.github.io/ideas |
| 20:10.25 | carols | oh my gosh! |
| 20:10.28 | carols | this is so amazing. |
| 20:10.30 | carols | livingstore: sure! |
| 20:10.31 | livingstore | any suggestions?? |
| 20:10.36 | carols | looking now |
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| 20:11.08 | carols | livingstore: lots of suggestions. 1) you should introduce your org on this page, tell students who you are and what sort of developers you're looking for |
| 20:11.16 | Slurpee | carols, do you need a list of everyone for application? Some people don't want to be on a random wiki list. |
| 20:11.39 | livingstore | hmmm , onto that |
| 20:11.42 | carols | livingstore: 2) it looks like you're a small org? how many people? mention that somewhere so it's clear you're not just wimping out on ideas :-) |
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| 20:12.16 | carols | Slurpee: no. just make it clear that the projects that are there have someone who will potentially mentor it. the details are up to you to work out with the students |
| 20:12.29 | Slurpee | carols, awesome. Thanks for checking it out. |
| 20:12.37 | Slurpee | gets to work |
| 20:13.14 | carols | livingstore: only 4 ideas seems a bit short, and idea #4 needs more detail. if you're going to keep it to just 4 ideas, they all need to be super high quality and really in depth |
| 20:13.16 | carols | Slurpee: yw |
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| 20:14.36 | carols | livingstore: there's a fine balance on ideas pages between quantity and quality. not only do your ideas need to be clear to the students who might work on them, but they also need to convey to our review committee that you need developers for these projects and why |
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| 20:18.35 | carols | sips some tea |
| 20:19.39 | meflin | 4 so far :) |
| 20:19.45 | meflin | sips some tea as well |
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| 20:34.14 | naywhayare | just curious, what is the retention rate for organizations that have already been a part of GSoC? does that statistic exist somewhere? |
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| 20:34.53 | carols | naywhayare: what do you mean retention rate? |
| 20:35.12 | umccullough | that could mean: orgs that re-apply? or orgs that actually get selected? |
| 20:35.30 | naywhayare | yeah, I mean, percentage of organizations that re-apply and are re-selected |
| 20:35.48 | carols | naywhayare: i have no idea, and we wouldn't care to track that anyway |
| 20:36.00 | naywhayare | yeah. you couldn't learn very much from it, but I think it would be an interesting number to know |
| 20:36.00 | carols | it's up to the org each year to decide if they want to apply and can handle mentoring. |
| 20:36.01 | umccullough | i think the results on the latter are going to be skewed anyhow, due to the limited availability each year |
| 20:36.26 | carols | naywhayare: i never want to encourage even indirectly an org to apply if they're not prepared to handle mentoring |
| 20:36.31 | gevaerts | naywhayare: if I counted correctly, 13 organisations have been in *every* gsoc |
| 20:36.51 | naywhayare | carols: I understand, makes sense |
| 20:37.02 | carols | :-) |
| 20:37.08 | naywhayare | gevaerts: interesting, thanks for looking that up |
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| 20:37.28 | umccullough | it can definitely be a huge distraction for an org - especially if they're in the middle of a release cycle |
| 20:37.33 | gevaerts | naywhayare: I was bored for a few hours after the org selection last year :) |
| 20:37.57 | olly_ | and especially for a smaller org |
| 20:37.58 | carols | naywhayare: but don't take the fact that an org has participated every year as an indication they're the "Best." lots of orgs have decided not to apply for a particular year, which is a good thing, not a bad thing |
| 20:39.02 | umccullough | last year's denial of our org gave us some time to catch up on random things |
| 20:39.32 | umccullough | we even considered whether we should avoid it again this year... but opted to apply after all :) |
| 20:39.42 | naywhayare | oh, definitely. certainly considering all organizations at once for a statistic like that entirely misses the individual situations surrounding each, which I assume are largely varying. |
| 20:39.49 | meflin | some orgs also change directions |
| 20:39.54 | umccullough | we've had good student retention |
| 20:40.09 | AmineKhaldi | hi carols.. we worked on the ideas page some more, can you please review it again ? |
| 20:40.18 | carols | AmineKhaldi: sure, give me the link again? |
| 20:40.20 | AmineKhaldi | (we addressed all the notes) |
| 20:40.21 | AmineKhaldi | https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014_Ideas |
| 20:40.25 | gevaerts | wonders if he can find out if anyone has been a mentor in every gsoc so far |
| 20:40.51 | meflin | gevaerts: would be intersting I have the last 4 |
| 20:40.56 | meflin | not this time tho :) |
| 20:41.17 | carols | AmineKhaldi: still just a couple ideas i can quibble with the description on, but this is like 99.8% ready :-) |
| 20:41.24 | meflin | also look up admins |
| 20:42.37 | gevaerts | I'm not sure I can find the admins |
| 20:43.18 | carols | naywhayare: also keep in mind that if an org is rejected in a given year that's not an indication that they're "bad." we often reject orgs simply to give space for a new org that's never participated or for lots of other reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the org itself |
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| 20:43.38 | umccullough | that's the "skew" :/ |
| 20:44.01 | carols | umccullough: indeed |
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| 20:44.25 | naywhayare | carols: yes, certainly. I think my question came with a lot of implications that I didn't mean for it to... I was just interested in it as a standalone statistic :) |
| 20:44.46 | meflin | statistics hardly ever stand alone ;) |
| 20:44.54 | carols | naywhayare: i know, but i'm telling you why we don't track it |
| 20:44.55 | carols | :-) |
| 20:45.03 | naywhayare | :) |
| 20:45.19 | umccullough | i would guess, based on complete hunch, that most orgs that do participate in GSoC find it valuable enough to apply again |
| 20:45.27 | umccullough | it's a very positive experience |
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| 20:45.42 | naywhayare | yes, it was a huge boost to our small organization |
| 20:45.48 | meflin | well like I mentioned org direction can change |
| 20:46.05 | meflin | if your not looking for new dev's anymore gsoc makes little sence |
| 20:46.23 | umccullough | was openoffice ever a participate? |
| 20:46.26 | umccullough | can go look |
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| 20:46.47 | umccullough | looks like ys |
| 20:46.49 | umccullough | yes |
| 20:46.51 | olly_ | they were |
| 20:46.55 | carols | umccullough: openoffice? as opposed to libreoffice? |
| 20:47.08 | umccullough | right |
| 20:47.13 | olly_ | one of my former students did GSoC with openoffice the next year and now has a job working on libreoffice |
| 20:47.19 | meflin | good example of what I mean :D |
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| 20:48.01 | umccullough | i could imagine that they probably went through some period where gsoc didn't make a lot of sense ;) |
| 20:49.22 | umccullough | actually, it seems they've applied every year regardless? |
| 20:50.28 | umccullough | ah no, i was looking at the wrong stuff |
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| 20:52.28 | hiddenpearls | carols, we edited our ideas page, can u please review it in more detail ? |
| 20:52.35 | carols | hiddenpearls: link? |
| 20:52.53 | hiddenpearls | carols: http://www.codeforpakistan.org/gsoc.html |
| 20:53.34 | carols | hiddenpearls: i'd like info for students on your organization and why you're looking for student developers |
| 20:54.52 | carols | hiddenpearls: a few of these ideas don't actually quite follow, too. like idea #6: you say it's an online civic engagement website, and then you want the outcome to be a web app. that seems to me like you're trying to get people to build something that's already built |
| 20:55.39 | carols | hiddenpearls: idea #1 too. you say the outcome is "it needs fine tuning." what does that actually mean? |
| 20:56.44 | hiddenpearls | #1 Android app is not complete yet. So we want to get that completed. |
| 20:57.03 | carols | hiddenpearls: then say that. tell the student what he/she is actually supposed to *develop* for you. |
| 20:57.24 | hiddenpearls | Ok |
| 20:58.28 | hiddenpearls | and about #6, We should be more focused what needs to be done i.e what features are left to complete that website. am I right ? |
| 20:58.31 | hiddenpearls | :) |
| 20:58.51 | carols | hiddenpearls: yes. this is your interface to potential student developers to tell them what you want their gsoc projects to be. |
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| 20:59.05 | hiddenpearls | Ok |
| 20:59.05 | carols | assume they have no context on you, your org, or your codebase. |
| 20:59.12 | carols | give them the information |
| 21:00.16 | hiddenpearls | plus we want students to suggest their own ideas, can we include those ideas if we are accepted into GSoC ? |
| 21:00.37 | carols | hiddenpearls: sure. you can make that the final point on the list and call it a "blue sky" proposal |
| 21:01.12 | hiddenpearls | Ok |
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| 21:03.36 | meflin | I always like to include 1 blue sky .. you can get amazing proposals ... most students need more structure tho |
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| 21:07.49 | hiddenpearls | meflin: agree |
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| 21:09.57 | naywhayare | carols: I did not know until just a few hours ago that you were reviewing ideas pages. are you willing to take a look at ours (mlpack)? http://trac.research.cc.gatech.edu/fastlab/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
| 21:10.05 | carols | naywhayare: sure |
| 21:10.08 | naywhayare | thank you |
| 21:10.27 | carols | can't believe you didn't know this until a few hours ago. i've been offering in this irc channel for the last 3 weeks |
| 21:10.32 | carols | but i'll look anyway :-) |
| 21:10.45 | naywhayare | I've been idling and not paying very much attention :) |
| 21:10.47 | carols | i've been talking to myself mostly up until this point |
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| 21:10.55 | carols | i do that a lot |
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| 21:11.00 | naywhayare | hah |
| 21:12.06 | carols | naywhayare: i think this looks great. i would like to see maybe 1 or 2 more ideas that are on the easy scale, but that's really just a quibble |
| 21:12.16 | naywhayare | yeah... the easy ideas are hard for us :( |
| 21:12.21 | carols | fair enough |
| 21:12.25 | carols | i can understand that |
| 21:12.35 | gevaerts | carols: not sure if you're the one to report this to, but the 2009 and 2010 links on https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/ are broken. They need to point to google-melange with urls similar to later years |
| 21:12.36 | carols | it looks great otherwise! |
| 21:12.49 | carols | gevaerts: yeah, i can fix that |
| 21:12.51 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 21:12.53 | naywhayare | it even makes me hesitant to say implementing low-level tree data structures is a 3/10... we will keep thinking though |
| 21:12.59 | naywhayare | thank you for taking a look :) |
| 21:13.03 | carols | naywhayare: yw |
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| 21:24.03 | tomreyn | carols: may i private message you for a question regarding the organization member profile? |
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| 21:24.22 | carols | tomreyn: sure, but please keep in mind that most of the web app questions should be direct to #melange |
| 21:24.28 | carols | i'm not a software engineer :-) |
| 21:24.40 | carols | i couldn't code my way out of a paperbag |
| 21:24.43 | tomreyn | it's more organizational |
| 21:24.47 | carols | sure |
| 21:24.48 | tomreyn | :) |
| 21:25.29 | dom96 | Mentors sign up during the student sign up period right? |
| 21:26.08 | Talad | If I have a date in the field "Questionnaire Submitted On" under "Manage Organization", does it mean our application is submitted? |
| 21:29.04 | Talad | is there anything else to do apart from the questionnaire to submit your org to GSoC? |
| 21:29.49 | umccullough | make sure your ideas page is completed ) |
| 21:29.50 | umccullough | :) |
| 21:30.34 | Talad | yes, I'm speaking process wise on the tool |
| 21:32.34 | olly_ | Talad: they sign up after org acceptance |
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| 21:34.09 | carols | dom96: mentors sign up any time from organization acceptance until the end of the term. |
| 21:35.13 | umccullough | Talad, you always have the option of requesting a preliminary review from carols :D |
| 21:35.25 | carols | how true! |
| 21:35.35 | carols | it's becoming a regular occurrence around here |
| 21:35.38 | carols | it's so...nice |
| 21:35.40 | MatthewWilkes | carols: If any are particularly amazing can you call them out? I'd be interested |
| 21:35.51 | meflin | meh my ratio is declining! |
| 21:35.57 | carols | MatthewWilkes: particularly amazing ideas pages? |
| 21:36.23 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Yep |
| 21:36.27 | carols | the one i saw yesterday that i actually had no useful feedback on... |
| 21:36.27 | MatthewWilkes | I'm always curious about others |
| 21:36.31 | carols | that one was amazing |
| 21:36.32 | MatthewWilkes | I look at some |
| 21:36.35 | MatthewWilkes | scrolls |
| 21:36.40 | carols | let me see if i can remember who that was |
| 21:36.44 | olly_ | me i think |
| 21:36.52 | carols | olly_: probably so :-) |
| 21:36.54 | olly_ | http://trac.xapian.org/wiki/GSoCProjectIdeas |
| 21:36.55 | carols | what's the link again? |
| 21:37.02 | carols | yes! |
| 21:37.04 | carols | that one |
| 21:37.10 | carols | that one was superb |
| 21:37.19 | carols | *is* superb |
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| 21:38.00 | MatthewWilkes | That is nice |
| 21:38.04 | MatthewWilkes | I like the resources links |
| 21:38.13 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i know, right? |
| 21:38.34 | MatthewWilkes | I'm not sure how I feel about difficulty – I am scared of influencing people too much, but it's probably useful |
| 21:38.46 | meflin | that page makes me depressed ( especially about the 1 ideas page that was solely in my control ) |
| 21:38.47 | umccullough | makes a note |
| 21:38.47 | gevaerts | At first sight, no single mentor was in all gsocs |
| 21:38.53 | olly_ | it's mostly a way to avoid having to answer the same student questions about more info over and over |
| 21:39.06 | brlcad | carols: if you're relaxed and willing, I've got another ideas page for review |
| 21:39.13 | carols | brlcad: go for it. |
| 21:39.19 | carols | i've got tea. |
| 21:39.31 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: yeah, difficulty is very subjective |
| 21:39.37 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas |
| 21:39.46 | MatthewWilkes | So, this is our draft at the moment, if people are interested: http://plone.org/events/summer-of-code/2014 (there are ideas missing and some need details adding) |
| 21:39.55 | brlcad | we're not done, but the overall structure is updated |
| 21:40.00 | olly_ | i liked the org a few years ago which had a "slacker" idea to weed out the students who just wanted an easy ride |
| 21:40.05 | olly_ | i forget who that was |
| 21:40.09 | carols | brlcad: the colors are a little hard on the eyes :-P |
| 21:40.30 | brlcad | that's fair |
| 21:40.31 | carols | MatthewWilkes: when do you make it a student project to help the melange UI? |
| 21:40.52 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: well, it's publically readable, which is a good start |
| 21:40.52 | MatthewWilkes | carols: hmm? |
| 21:40.57 | MatthewWilkes | olly_: Yeah, yeah, yeah |
| 21:41.08 | carols | MatthewWilkes: you've got a nice UI. GSoC has given you lots of stuff. surely you could give back to gsoc? :-) |
| 21:41.44 | carols | brlcad: other than that quibble, it looks great. i like that they're broken out with their own pages to go into more depth. |
| 21:42.09 | MatthewWilkes | carols: That is just cobbled together from bits of javascript in our main template, I get a lot of stick from the plone.org team for it being so ugly code. |
| 21:42.12 | brlcad | okay, thanks -- we'll try to tone it down |
| 21:42.23 | carols | MatthewWilkes: i think it looks good. and i can access it! |
| 21:42.26 | carols | that's a huge plus |
| 21:42.29 | brlcad | haha |
| 21:42.35 | meflin | hmm the sub-org that isn't answering my emails is improving there ideas page as sugested ... sigh well it will have to do |
| 21:42.40 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: the "technologies" icons are nice |
| 21:43.01 | MatthewWilkes | olly_: I'm glad. I just added them and I'm not sure it works |
| 21:43.26 | meflin | MatthewWilkes: very nice page |
| 21:43.38 | brlcad | MatthewWilkes: love the drop-down expansion (though can't seem to retract back) |
| 21:43.49 | carols | MatthewWilkes: don't feel bad, though. i've seen applications submitted this year with ideas page links that either don't work or link to the project's homepage. so you aren't the only ones to do it |
| 21:43.51 | meflin | it even works in konq |
| 21:43.57 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: not sure they're so great on the green background, but the basic idea works I think |
| 21:44.13 | MatthewWilkes | carols: This year, though, they're not final yet |
| 21:44.19 | MatthewWilkes | carols: We had a holding page before now |
| 21:44.22 | carols | MatthewWilkes: it's true. |
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| 21:44.38 | carols | i'll see if i can count how many are still inaccessible after the deadline |
| 21:44.42 | olly_ | takes a while to herd the cats to round up ideas |
| 21:45.04 | carols | olly_: surely announcing the program in october of last year gave you all enough time to do that? |
| 21:45.05 | MatthewWilkes | olly_, brlcad: Indeed, I can't add any styles other than inline, or JS at all, so I'm trying to stay with what's already in the site's CSS and JS |
| 21:45.07 | carols | :-P |
| 21:45.15 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Surely nobody would fail to check it? |
| 21:45.21 | carols | MatthewWilkes: surely. |
| 21:45.23 | carols | surely. |
| 21:45.35 | MatthewWilkes | once delayed a security patch by 45 minutes because it "wasn't working" at the last minute |
| 21:45.37 | olly_ | carols: that definitely helped |
| 21:45.39 | olly_ | but human nature means it's hard to get most people moving well before deadlines |
| 21:45.40 | MatthewWilkes | turned out I was logged in as an admin |
| 21:45.50 | MatthewWilkes | You'd think I'd only make that mistake once |
| 21:45.53 | MatthewWilkes | but noooo |
| 21:45.59 | carols | hehe :-D |
| 21:46.13 | meflin | olly_: like the 4 sub-orgs I've seen show up in the last 24 hours? |
| 21:46.55 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Also, I'm moving to a Django and app-engine project starting on Monday, so once I'm caught up a bit I'd be happy to do some more Melange work |
| 21:47.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: now there's the way to get my favor. |
| 21:47.21 | olly_ | is pretty certain we'll get another mentor or two appear if we're actually accepted |
| 21:47.23 | carols | every year, lots of complaints about melange, every year, no patches from orgs :-) |
| 21:47.30 | meflin | I'll thow in a tea |
| 21:47.35 | brlcad | carols: we have a completely new website getting rolled out that is a modern revamp, but it's deployment is on hold because we don't want to risk you encountering another ex-plone-sion like last year |
| 21:47.38 | carols | thanks meflin. tea helps too. |
| 21:47.54 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: are you at google now? |
| 21:47.57 | carols | brlcad: i'm laughing out loud that we're now calling it a "ex-plone-sion" |
| 21:48.08 | MatthewWilkes | carols: https://code.google.com/p/soc/source/browse/AUTHORS#44 *ahem* |
| 21:48.09 | carols | you see what you've done, MatthewWilkes ? |
| 21:48.14 | MatthewWilkes | olly_: Nope, I'm not |
| 21:48.24 | carols | MatthewWilkes: right, right. |
| 21:48.46 | MatthewWilkes | brlcad: It was 2012, actually! We didn't mess up last year! |
| 21:48.53 | MatthewWilkes | Well, not in that way, anyway |
| 21:48.58 | brlcad | that was already two years ago? yeesh |
| 21:49.10 | meflin | some things are never lived down |
| 21:49.36 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: It's a bit too funny to live down, tbh. |
| 21:49.51 | carols | the sheepish confession at the mentor summit was my favorite. |
| 21:49.52 | MatthewWilkes | For CMS, anyway. If we were bioinformatics, or embedded OS, etc, it wouldn't be |
| 21:49.55 | meflin | heh well I recall the meeting ... should be a faq |
| 21:50.01 | meflin | probably is |
| 21:50.05 | carols | might have been my favorite moment from the mentor summit so far. |
| 21:50.09 | MatthewWilkes | meflin: If it was nobody would know about it |
| 21:50.17 | meflin | true |
| 21:50.22 | MatthewWilkes | carols: Glad to help |
| 21:50.26 | carols | :-) |
| 21:50.41 | carols | a bright spot in an otherwise chicken/head detachment weekend |
| 21:50.41 | meflin | I have to admit I ahem had to laff a bit that year |
| 21:51.48 | meflin | MatthewWilkes: perhaps you should get some tshirts to wear to MS ? |
| 21:53.03 | MatthewWilkes | "Plone. Workflow systems so advanced even the core developers can't understand"? |
| 21:53.58 | stqism | MatthewWilkes: I'd be curious what the coredevs do in that case. |
| 21:54.08 | olly_ | or some plone branded bullet proof (g)socks? |
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| 21:54.47 | MatthewWilkes | I'll bring embarrassing themed gifts if carols can promise the beer at the wild palms will be as good as it was last year |
| 21:54.52 | MatthewWilkes | I've never seen so much Pliny |
| 21:55.14 | carols | is quite chuffed about the beer at the summit last year |
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| 21:55.53 | MatthewWilkes | carols: I got in after all the food was gone and saw the sign about Pliny the Elder being there while it lasted. Was sure there'd be none left, but no, masses. |
| 21:56.09 | carols | MatthewWilkes: wonderful, wasn't it? |
| 21:56.13 | carols | like shangri la |
| 21:56.14 | brlcad | had to make sure chuffed meant good, because it was far better than ever before |
| 21:56.44 | MatthewWilkes | I'm going to an event at Cantillon co-hosted by the brewmaster at Russian River in a few weeks, with Elder available. I honestly think I might skip it in favour of some of the other stuff |
| 21:56.59 | MatthewWilkes | http://cantillon.be/br/3_18 - can't wait |
| 21:57.57 | carols | looks fun |
| 21:58.04 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
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| 22:03.22 | MatthewWilkes | So, when writing the application I went back through past students. From the students we had a while ago, specifically 2009-2011, we have received about 5k commits in the last year from people who previously weren't contributing. |
| 22:03.29 | MatthewWilkes | I know it's a round-about stat, but it's pretty awesome. |
| 22:04.01 | olly_ | yeah |
| 22:04.03 | carols | MatthewWilkes: that's a lot! |
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| 22:04.24 | olly_ | what's the rough commit total for the last year? |
| 22:04.43 | MatthewWilkes | checks |
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| 22:12.40 | vijay13 | Hi all, do google-melange support table format in proposal ? |
| 22:12.53 | carols | vijay13: a great question to ask #melange |
| 22:13.07 | vijay13 | carols: thank you :) |
| 22:13.10 | carols | yw |
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| 22:15.57 | Guest35611 | hey anyone there? |
| 22:16.20 | meflin | nope |
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| 22:18.20 | mmadia | !stats |
| 22:18.20 | gsocbot | mmadia: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 22:18.50 | mmadia | bah. does anyone recall the keyword for the statistics from previous years? |
| 22:19.02 | olly_ | !numapps |
| 22:19.03 | gsocbot | olly_: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 orgs and 1212 of 6685 proposals (by 4258 students) were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs and 1116 of 5474 proposals (by 3731 students) were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs and 1026 of 5539 propsals (by 3464 students) were accepted. |
| 22:19.05 | umccullough | !numapps mmadia |
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| 22:19.15 | MatthewWilkes | !this cookie | umccullough |
| 22:19.15 | gsocbot | umccullough: "this cookie" is for you |
| 22:19.22 | mmadia | thank you olly_, umccullough. |
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| 22:22.48 | MatthewWilkes | olly_: Something on the order of 30k |
| 22:23.43 | carols | goes to lunch |
| 22:23.51 | carols | tell anyone who need feedback i'll be back soon :-) |
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| 22:25.09 | olly_ | 1/6 is pretty impressive! |
| 22:25.55 | MatthewWilkes | We've got some very active people from GSoC over the years |
| 22:26.46 | livingstore | carols http://binpy.github.io/ideas |
| 22:27.09 | livingstore | some details are on other pages whose links are provided |
| 22:27.27 | livingstore | more ideas are being added as of now |
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| 22:31.11 | olly_ | MatthewWilkes: or perhaps people who like making lots of tiny commits |
| 22:32.55 | ignacio|here | !hist cookie | ignacio|here |
| 22:33.01 | ignacio|here | !this cookie | ignacio|here |
| 22:33.01 | gsocbot | ignacio|here: "this cookie" is for you |
| 22:33.03 | ignacio|here | :D |
| 22:34.20 | MatthewWilkes | olly_: I don't think so, they are pretty active. |
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| 22:35.22 | bePolite | Do you need to be fammiliar with an organization's activities before appying to work with them for gosc? |
| 22:36.10 | ishan1604 | @bePolite Not really. But its recommended to do and you have a better chance to get through if you do that. |
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| 22:39.11 | bePolite | Most projects I see in C involve applications which I've never used or seen |
| 22:39.21 | bePolite | It seems I need to start using them |
| 22:39.40 | ishan1604 | Better Late than Never Bro. |
| 22:40.32 | bePolite | actually |
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| 22:43.58 | Botanic | bePolite, part of the idea of gsoc is to get people intrested in open source |
| 22:44.14 | Botanic | so not knowing about a project isnt a -problem- persay |
| 22:48.43 | bePolite | Ok |
| 22:48.54 | bePolite | I've been a linux fan since so I understand open source |
| 22:49.50 | mrsud | Anyone to review this Ideas page http://binpy.github.io/ideas.html |
| 22:49.52 | DaSpirit | Hey, I have a student question. Say I want to make a tool for a project. Say an IDE for a compiler. Is that allowed? |
| 22:49.54 | mrsud | ? |
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| 22:50.45 | gevaerts | mrsud: carols will be back soon (lunch now), after which I'm sure she'll want to have a look |
| 22:50.53 | umccullough | DaSpirit, would it become part of the project itself? |
| 22:51.16 | DaSpirit | Yes. It currently has a Java based IDE, I would make a C++ based one from scratch. |
| 22:51.37 | umccullough | seems reasonable if that's a project they're interested in taking on and maintaining |
| 22:51.42 | gevaerts | DaSpirit: as far as gsoc in general is concerned, that's fine |
| 22:51.53 | gevaerts | Of course, the organisation has to want it |
| 22:52.00 | DaSpirit | It does want it. |
| 22:52.07 | DaSpirit | (I started making such an IDE last year) |
| 22:52.07 | umccullough | then, absolutely :) |
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| 22:56.39 | DaSpirit | Do mentors get paid? |
| 22:56.53 | olly_ | DaSpirit: the org get US$500 per student mentored |
| 22:57.02 | olly_ | it's up to the org what they do with that - some pass it on to mentors |
| 22:57.32 | umccullough | our org just adds it to their coffers and uses it for funding other stuff |
| 22:57.42 | umccullough | often times development ;) |
| 22:57.47 | DaSpirit | Right. |
| 22:57.58 | DaSpirit | This is excellent, trying to get an org to sign up :) |
| 22:58.07 | umccullough | in fact, we've had gsoc students turn into "contractors" later down the road |
| 22:58.08 | olly_ | has concluded that's a better approach overall |
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| 23:00.54 | mmadia | one is even still on contract and started in late September/early October. |
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| 23:16.12 | gevaerts | carols: mrsud was looking for a review of http://binpy.github.io/ideas.html |
| 23:16.22 | carols | thanks gevaerts |
| 23:17.15 | carols | mrsud: this was for you? |
| 23:17.47 | meflin | it is |
| 23:18.12 | carols | i have him in my chat queue as livingstore |
| 23:18.17 | carols | or her, actually |
| 23:18.21 | carols | whoever you are :-) |
| 23:18.28 | meflin | not sure those are the same members |
| 23:18.37 | olly_ | carols: both of them asked |
| 23:18.47 | carols | ah, fair enough |
| 23:18.53 | carols | just members of the same community |
| 23:18.59 | meflin | yep |
| 23:19.09 | carols | well, i'll wait for at least one of them to come back to respond |
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| 23:25.34 | mrsud | carols, i'm back |
| 23:25.42 | carols | hey mrsud |
| 23:26.08 | carols | i was going to say, i still have no sense of why you need student developers to do these ideas instead of your community of developers |
| 23:26.17 | carols | it's not necessarily something you have to answer on your ideas page |
| 23:26.29 | carols | but if you only have 3 things for students to work on, do you really need gsoc? |
| 23:27.50 | mrsud | its not about three things in binpy.its a growing idea for us and we hope for participation to help it grow better |
| 23:28.38 | carols | mrsud: okay, fair enough. however, the ideas page is the point i consider your application from. so whatever you have on there by tomorrow reflects what you want our committee to see and what you want students to see |
| 23:28.54 | carols | and right now i see you've got some great things you could get some volunteers to help out with :-) |
| 23:28.59 | carols | you don't need gsoc for that |
| 23:29.06 | carols | in fact, i would recommend against gsoc |
| 23:29.14 | mrsud | y? |
| 23:29.23 | carols | gsoc is a huge time commitment and the developers are going to need lots of handholding. |
| 23:29.34 | carols | it will take you more time to get them to make the features than to just do it yourself |
| 23:30.55 | olly_ | and with a higher risk of failure |
| 23:31.28 | carols | what olly_ said. |
| 23:31.28 | mrsud | higher risk of failure?dont have much to lose here :P |
| 23:31.30 | perepujal | well, that applies to any org |
| 23:31.59 | olly_ | mrsud: if your mentor puts in say 5 hours a week for 13 weeks, that's a lot of potential development time lost |
| 23:32.00 | mrsud | anyway,i understand what you are trying to say |
| 23:32.04 | carols | mrsud: yes, you do. you have a lot to lose. you have a possible three months of committing to a developer only to have them fall offline and you to not have any more code than when you started the program |
| 23:32.23 | olly_ | plus all the time to talk to potential students, review proposals to choose which to accept |
| 23:34.22 | perepujal | with the approach of "mentors do the code better and faster" only orgs who have "spare devs" would benefit from gsoc |
| 23:34.28 | olly_ | that said, i've mentored at least one student that probably implemented his project in less time that I would have taken |
| 23:34.39 | olly_ | perepujal: I think of it more as an investment |
| 23:35.06 | perepujal | me too |
| 23:35.13 | mrsud | but how else do you suggest to get the concept of Binpy out there for the developers to contribute,all about the concept of "open source" |
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| 23:35.40 | umccullough | gsoc shouldn't necessarily be used as a marketing instrument for your project... |
| 23:35.58 | mrsud | i agree,and we are not |
| 23:36.06 | umccullough | but it does help a bit :) |
| 23:36.30 | mrsud | I dont see it as a benfit for me as an entity |
| 23:36.33 | umccullough | i think getting a small project out there is a tough thing |
| 23:36.38 | olly_ | i'd blog about it, get it packaged for distros, talk about it at user groups and conferences, etc |
| 23:36.51 | DaSpirit | Does GSoC accept organizations with as few as 5 active contributors? |
| 23:37.02 | umccullough | hurd? :D |
| 23:37.19 | umccullough | ok, that was uncalled for, sorry :) |
| 23:37.20 | carols | DaSpirit: sure! all the time |
| 23:37.26 | carols | lots of them |
| 23:37.27 | DaSpirit | carols, great! :D |
| 23:37.28 | mrsud | we are not applying as a separate org. but under PSF |
| 23:37.35 | DaSpirit | carols, I'm really excited. |
| 23:37.39 | carols | mrsud: that's great! that's a really good call |
| 23:37.43 | carols | DaSpirit: cool |
| 23:40.42 | mrsud | carols, anything else you'd like to add?on a final note? |
| 23:41.20 | carols | mrsud: no, actually, if you're applying under PSF and not as a separate org then i think your page looks excellent |
| 23:41.30 | carols | and you should go forth and be happy |
| 23:41.44 | mrsud | that's great to hear :) |
| 23:41.47 | mrsud | thanks |
| 23:42.27 | vkmc | Hi, is there any coordinator to take a quick look to our projects ideas page? |
| 23:42.37 | ignacio|here | http://www.lookingatsomething.com/ raiiin |
| 23:43.05 | DaSpirit | In what format does the proposal have to be? |
| 23:43.43 | olly_ | DaSpirit: the student one needs to be entered into a web form as HTML |
| 23:43.48 | carols | vkmc: sure |
| 23:43.51 | carols | what's the link? |
| 23:43.53 | olly_ | unless things have changed since last year |
| 23:43.59 | DaSpirit | And for organizations? |
| 23:44.06 | carols | DaSpirit: have you read the faq and the manual? |
| 23:44.06 | olly_ | there's a form to fill in |
| 23:44.10 | vkmc | carols, Thanks, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2014 |
| 23:44.18 | olly_ | two forms actually |
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| 23:44.49 | carols | vkmc: some of these ideas are going to need more in depth descriptions and expected outcomes |
| 23:45.05 | carols | vkmc: i assume you know some of the difficulties are blank, i'll assume you'll fill those in by tomorrow, right? |
| 23:45.09 | blueCmd | hi. the 'Backup administrator' - I get 'No profile exists for username X.' for whatever I put there, what am I missing? |
| 23:45.25 | carols | vkmc: yeah, a lot more description for the ideas! i need to know what these are |
| 23:45.28 | vkmc | carols, Yeah, we are waiting for mentors to fill those in |
| 23:45.40 | carols | blueCmd: who's your backup admin and has he/she created a profile too? |
| 23:45.45 | MatthewWilkes | blueCmd: I'd guess a profile ;) Make sure the backup admin has signed up for gsoc2014 as an admin |
| 23:45.49 | carols | vkmc: cool, so i can look again once those are filled in |
| 23:46.13 | mcanini | carols: hello. Is it possible to change my username after I created my personal profile? by mistake I entered the organization ID |
| 23:46.17 | vkmc | carols, Should all the ideas look like this one? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2014/Queues/Storage |
| 23:46.26 | blueCmd | MatthewWilkes: carols: he has a profile. how do I check if he's an admin? |
| 23:46.47 | MatthewWilkes | blueCmd: He becomes an admin by you naming him |
| 23:46.47 | vkmc | carols, Or should we add more details? |
| 23:47.13 | carols | mcanini: i have no idea, you should ask the melange folks |
| 23:47.29 | mcanini | in #melange? |
| 23:47.42 | carols | vkmc: yes, that would be great |
| 23:47.45 | carols | mcanini: yes please |
| 23:47.49 | blueCmd | MatthewWilkes: well, that's what I'm trying to do I guess. but alas, the error is stopping me :( |
| 23:47.53 | carols | blueCmd: could you please speak to the melange folks? |
| 23:47.58 | carols | i'm not a software engineer :-( |
| 23:47.59 | blueCmd | carols: sure |
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| 23:48.03 | carols | i'm a lowly project admin |
| 23:48.04 | vkmc | carols, Thanks a lot for reviewing :) |
| 23:48.07 | carols | yw |
| 23:48.52 | mcanini | carols: thanks |
| 23:48.56 | carols | mcanini: yw |
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