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| 20:19.50 | mautbaba | can anyone guide me on how to get started with GSoC ? |
| 20:20.25 | meflin | read the faq check the orgs out join your project early and start working on it |
| 20:20.33 | tierra | and read http://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
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| 20:21.39 | mautbaba_ | can anyone guide me on how to get started with GSoC ? |
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| 20:21.56 | meflin | [13:20] <meflin> read the faq check the orgs out join your project early and start working on it |
| 20:21.58 | meflin | [13:20] <tierra> and read http://flossmanuals.net/GSoCStudentGuide/ |
| 20:25.38 | kshitij8 | Have mentors started floating ideas for GSoC'14? |
| 20:25.57 | meflin | that would depend on the org |
| 20:26.39 | mautbaba | what programming languages do I need to know ? |
| 20:27.07 | meflin | that would depend on the org |
| 20:30.16 | kshitij8 | Last I recall somebody here mentioned they were starting to look for students. |
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| 20:30.45 | meflin | I'm always looking for students |
| 20:30.59 | meflin | 2014 I will be on my 3rd org in 3 years :P |
| 20:31.30 | kshitij8 | what org are you moving to this year? |
| 20:31.46 | kshitij8 | or is it a secret? ;-) |
| 20:31.56 | meflin | for now a secret |
| 20:32.16 | meflin | technically admin isn't announced |
| 20:32.39 | kshitij8 | Yeah what I thought. Officially no org as of now. |
| 20:33.17 | meflin | yep |
| 20:33.23 | kshitij8 | Any project ideas on your mind? |
| 20:33.37 | meflin | nope |
| 20:33.46 | kshitij8 | is a student btw |
| 20:34.32 | meflin | _I_ find good students are hard to find ... good project ideas rain down in unending quantities |
| 20:35.41 | kshitij8 | If you dont mind, which org did you work with in 2013? KDE? |
| 20:35.43 | meflin | to be fair for 2013 I had good students running out my ears |
| 20:36.01 | meflin | Systers ... before that kernel.org |
| 20:36.36 | meflin | small stuff vs KDE :D |
| 20:38.04 | kshitij8 | lol. kernel.org sounds pretty cool! |
| 20:38.23 | meflin | its not what you think ;) |
| 20:38.39 | meflin | linux kernel dev happens under the linux foundation |
| 20:39.51 | kshitij8 | ohh yes. I forgot there's the Linux Foundation too. |
| 20:40.15 | kshitij8 | So kernel.org does packaging and repo stuff? |
| 20:40.38 | meflin | its an umbrella ... |
| 20:41.06 | meflin | so kernel bug reporting systems, mirroring/tracking, drivers for net booting |
| 20:41.14 | meflin | and a few other things |
| 20:42.17 | meflin | Systers is the Anita Borg Institute ... mostly mailman ( python ) |
| 20:44.37 | kshitij8 | mailman wasnt that from GNU (thats an org too right?)? |
| 20:44.59 | meflin | GNU is an org yes ... not sure about mailman ..... |
| 20:45.19 | meflin | mailman is its own org ... its just that most of the Systers work was on mailman |
| 20:45.41 | meflin | last year mailman unbrella'd under the Python Foundation |
| 20:47.25 | kshitij8 | Hmm.. Its a bit confusing with the umbrella org's. |
| 20:47.53 | meflin | mailman and python are a good example |
| 20:48.13 | meflin | mailman was not selected as an org but has mentors and projects |
| 20:48.28 | meflin | python by its nature has little to "DO" much like kde |
| 20:48.44 | meflin | but there are a zillion sub projects ... like mailman |
| 20:49.49 | meflin | so kde python ect admin up ... rally the little projects around and set up as a group |
| 20:51.26 | kshitij8 | Indeed kde too had some orgs under its umbrella. |
| 20:51.48 | meflin | kde _IS_ a pure umbella |
| 20:52.08 | kshitij8 | didnt know that. |
| 20:52.10 | meflin | as an example a sub project for python is "core python" |
| 20:52.41 | meflin | ie the programmers who program the language itself |
| 20:52.52 | kshitij8 | thats the only purely relevant project for Python Foundation |
| 20:53.04 | meflin | kde is the same |
| 20:53.33 | olly | the umbrella org concept is partly (perhaps mostly) a way to simplify things for google |
| 20:53.49 | kshitij8 | kde is a collection k* projects. |
| 20:53.52 | olly | since they only have one full-time person running gsoc |
| 20:54.11 | meflin | there is a lot of truth in what olly is saying |
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| 20:54.37 | meflin | I remember once at k.org a project didn't make the cut for gsoc and G sent them to us |
| 20:54.48 | kshitij8 | how do the umbrella orgs organise themselves? org admin,subadmin, mentor? |
| 20:54.59 | olly | it's up to the org really |
| 20:55.03 | meflin | depends |
| 20:55.35 | kshitij8 | so did you take the project in? |
| 20:56.10 | meflin | yes they had 1 awesome idea and awesome mentors to back it up |
| 20:56.58 | meflin | also the boss is smart and it was right in line with what we where doing |
| 20:57.30 | kshitij8 | nice! |
| 20:58.02 | kshitij8 | So basically everyone tries to make sure a good makes it in. :) |
| 20:58.25 | meflin | everyone's idea of good varies |
| 20:59.06 | meflin | different orgs even have different ideas of sucess |
| 21:01.10 | kshitij8 | success as I understand is meet many/most project goals and have students become contributors. |
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| 21:02.15 | meflin | the longer I do this the more convinced that sucess is students being contributors |
| 21:02.26 | meflin | perhaps not your own project but some project |
| 21:03.59 | kshitij8 | Indeed, that probably is the idea behind GSoC. |
| 21:04.14 | meflin | of course |
| 21:04.26 | meflin | just image the internet without a web server |
| 21:04.42 | tierra | I've come mostly to the same conclusion... if the student turns into a regular contributor even outside of GSoC, that's the pinacle of success for a GSoC project |
| 21:04.50 | tierra | imho |
| 21:05.08 | meflin | I've become a bit less then humble about that ;) |
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| 21:07.16 | kshitij8 | Its the most activity we've had on this channel in a while. Soon it'll be bursting with students again :D |
| 21:07.24 | meflin | still watching the last years hatchlings to see if the pain was worthwhile ;) |
| 21:07.25 | tierra | given of course, it's still useful if it results in contributions that end up officially merged into the project and actually used, even if the student disappears, but if the student sticks around and keeps going with it, that's what I try to accomplish with students if possible |
| 21:08.16 | kshitij8 | and how are your hatchlings turning out? |
| 21:08.43 | olly | perhaps the bigger benefit of actually merging the code is motivating the student |
| 21:09.22 | meflin | it takes time to tell |
| 21:09.23 | kshitij8 | yes its HUGE confidence booster if the code goes upstream. |
| 21:09.33 | meflin | check back in 2 years |
| 21:10.29 | kshitij8 | 2 years? thats really long! specially considering your first batch of hatchlings took flight 2 years back. |
| 21:10.40 | meflin | 4 years ago |
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| 21:11.23 | meflin | one from 2 years ago is still growing wings but its promising |
| 21:12.52 | kshitij8 | ohh.. I thought this will be your 3rd time as a mentor. :P |
| 21:13.12 | meflin | dont that 4 times |
| 21:13.24 | meflin | also admin'd 4 times |
| 21:16.31 | kshitij8 | Were you a part of GSoC in 07? |
| 21:16.58 | meflin | nope |
| 21:17.17 | kshitij8 | 08? |
| 21:17.28 | meflin | 09 |
| 21:18.03 | meflin | I was dragged in kicking and screaming in protest |
| 21:18.15 | meflin | it took a calling in of a personal favor |
| 21:18.25 | kshitij8 | haha.. |
| 21:18.46 | meflin | and dont think I will ever get to live it down ;) |
| 21:19.00 | kshitij8 | Did you mentor the first time around? |
| 21:19.13 | meflin | mentor and admin ... every year i've done this |
| 21:19.31 | kshitij8 | It'd be interesting being an unwilling mentor ;-) |
| 21:19.52 | meflin | once I hit the ground I was right in the grove |
| 21:20.03 | meflin | my friend knows me better then I know myself ;) |
| 21:20.46 | meflin | that is why I can't live this down ;) |
| 21:21.18 | meflin | F->lets do X? me->no! F->remember that time me->shut up when do we do this thing |
| 21:22.02 | kshitij8 | Its great having such awesome friends. :) |
| 21:22.16 | meflin | it is :D |
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