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| 00:03.04 | Milan | hello! |
| 00:03.29 | Milan | Is this where we can ask questions? |
| 00:04.14 | perepujal | Milan: about GCI? yes, just ask and see if somebody knows |
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| 00:16.50 | Milan | I'm a junior in high school, but I know how to code in Python, HTML, and CSS. Can I do google summer of code? |
| 00:18.16 | waaaaargh | Milan: sure, as long as you find a project that you think you can tackle! |
| 00:19.01 | Milan | Application deadline is in March right? |
| 00:19.06 | gevaerts | uh, no |
| 00:19.15 | Milan | When is it? |
| 00:19.45 | waaaaargh | !schedule |
| 00:20.00 | gevaerts | gsoc is not for high school students |
| 00:20.48 | Milan | there's nothing i can do? |
| 00:20.53 | gevaerts | You might want to look into gci |
| 00:21.06 | gevaerts | http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2013 |
| 00:22.44 | Milan | ok thanks |
| 00:23.10 | Milan | any other ideas for high schoolers interested in computer science? |
| 00:23.20 | Milan | internships, projects, etc. |
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| 03:40.32 | bePolite | I am looking for modern tech movies like the internship any suggestions? |
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| 04:12.53 | firespeaker | does anyone know what's up with the mélange devs? |
| 04:13.55 | firespeaker | we've been trying to get help with a problem importing tasks, and have gotten no answer in #melange for 7 hours ... maybe we're looking for help in the wrong place? |
| 04:19.40 | sttaylor | firespeaker: please send an email to the melange-soc-dev@googlegroups.com group list if you aren't getting a response on the Melange IRC channel |
| 04:20.10 | firespeaker | sttaylor: thanks |
| 04:20.23 | sttaylor | firespeaker: yw : ) |
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| 11:28.32 | kikero | hello |
| 11:29.06 | kikero | I am afraid I must have not read carefully enough, but it is still somewhat unclear to me |
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| 11:29.46 | kikero | whether I can register to the contest *starting* by the 18th of November or just *on* the 18th of November |
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| 11:31.14 | kikero | also, given I'd register Wednesday, for example, would a paper attesting I am a student of the school as of the 20th of November be considered eligible |
| 11:31.15 | kikero | ? |
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| 12:15.59 | gevaerts | kikero: registration starts on the 18th, but the eligibility requirement is strictly the 18th |
| 12:16.28 | kikero | ah, ok |
| 12:16.32 | kikero | thx gevaerts |
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| 15:48.54 | Jin | For GCI, can an elder brother sign in the parental consent form ? |
| 15:50.16 | Jin | Anybody who can respond to my query , please ? |
| 15:50.27 | Jin | !GCI |
| 15:50.27 | gsocbot | Jin: "GCI" is gci is Google Code-in: A contest for 13-18 year olds. See http://code.google.com/gci |
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| 15:58.13 | Slurpee | gsocbot, needs to be updateD? 13-18 should be 13-18? |
| 15:58.52 | Triskelios | Jin: has to be a legal guardian |
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| 15:59.40 | Jin | Our parents are separated, we live with our mother. I am 23 and i am her elder brother. Can i sign on the form ? |
| 16:00.35 | Triskelios | who is your legal guardian? |
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| 16:00.41 | Triskelios | your mother? |
| 16:01.13 | Jin | I am an adult, right. |
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| 16:01.58 | Jin | Okay, to hell with confusions, we'll make mom sign it. She doesn't understand much of all this though. Thank you anyway |
| 16:02.07 | Jin | and yes |
| 16:02.38 | Jin | There is this "Please print" written on the form at some places. So, does that mean we cannot use ball pen to write ? |
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| 16:03.45 | Triskelios | it means you should write in normal block letters rather than cursive |
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| 16:10.57 | spectie | who is running gcibot ? |
| 16:10.58 | gcibot | spectie: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:10.58 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:11.00 | spectie | aviraldg, |
| 16:11.06 | aviraldg | yep |
| 16:11.07 | aviraldg | here |
| 16:11.15 | spectie | is it posssible to gt the bot not to reply when its name is said ? |
| 16:11.20 | spectie | only when addressed |
| 16:12.06 | aviraldg | Sure. Like: |
| 16:12.14 | aviraldg | gci-bot, or gcibot: ? |
| 16:12.15 | gcibot | aviraldg: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:12.15 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:12.34 | aviraldg | oops :P |
| 16:14.54 | gevaerts | aviraldg: did you talk to kblin about this? |
| 16:15.16 | spectie | aviraldg, both |
| 16:15.20 | gevaerts | There is such a thing as the #gsoc bot policy, which he knows all about |
| 16:15.22 | aviraldg | Having a bot here? Uh... nope, but if there's a problem, I'll get rid of it. |
| 16:16.15 | gevaerts | Well, I can't tell you if there is a problem :) |
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| 16:16.17 | aviraldg | kblin, hey, is there a problem if I run gci-bot here? |
| 16:16.32 | spectie | aviraldg, btw, why is it in #apertium but not other GCI channels ? |
| 16:16.42 | aviraldg | all it does is post information about GCI tasks when they're linked |
| 16:16.43 | aviraldg | it is |
| 16:16.44 | spectie | also, how do you use it ? |
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| 16:16.54 | spectie | <firespeaker> gcibot: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/4628925967761408 |
| 16:16.55 | spectie | <gcibot> firespeaker: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:16.55 | spectie | <gcibot> Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:16.55 | gcibot | spectie: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:16.55 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:16.56 | gcibot | spectie: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:16.56 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:16.56 | gcibot | spectie: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:16.56 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:16.57 | firespeaker | gcibot is trolling us |
| 16:16.59 | gcibot | firespeaker: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! |
| 16:16.59 | gcibot | Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:17.00 | spectie | :( |
| 16:17.08 | aviraldg | hold on a sec |
| 16:17.08 | firespeaker | :( |
| 16:17.21 | gevaerts | spots a few bugs :) |
| 16:17.25 | aviraldg | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2012/7948211 |
| 16:17.28 | gcibot | [Eden] Mapping: Potlatch integration |
| 16:17.28 | gcibot | Status: Reopened |
| 16:17.28 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Fran, Pat Tressel |
| 16:17.35 | aviraldg | ^ there you go |
| 16:17.51 | firespeaker | aviraldg: make it link to the source in the same message as it's "Hey" message |
| 16:17.59 | firespeaker | two lines every time you mention it is a little :( |
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| 16:18.20 | aviraldg | sure |
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| 16:18.40 | firespeaker | (11:18:16) firespeaker: e.g. https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/4628925967761408 |
| 16:19.13 | aviraldg | won't work with GCI 2013 tasks yet |
| 16:19.15 | firespeaker | oh, it isn't looking at gci2013 pages yet |
| 16:19.16 | firespeaker | okay |
| 16:19.18 | aviraldg | (they aren't public) |
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| 16:19.47 | firespeaker | yeah |
| 16:20.00 | firespeaker | aviraldg: why don't you just write a phenny module? |
| 16:20.17 | spectie | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/4628925967761408 |
| 16:20.21 | gevaerts | Or a supybot module, so it can get integrated into gsocbot :) |
| 16:20.35 | aviraldg | hmm... will look at that |
| 16:20.39 | aviraldg | wrote this last year, so :P |
| 16:20.47 | aviraldg | thought it might be useful this time around |
| 16:21.00 | gevaerts | It could well be useful |
| 16:21.13 | gevaerts | Although I'm not sure how often specific tasks are discussed here |
| 16:21.25 | firespeaker | gevaerts: in org channels |
| 16:21.28 | aviraldg | which is why it's on all the GCI org channels ;) |
| 16:21.40 | aviraldg | should be fixed now, gcibot |
| 16:21.45 | aviraldg | gcibot: hello |
| 16:21.45 | gcibot | aviraldg: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 16:21.46 | gevaerts | Ah :) |
| 16:21.50 | firespeaker | aviraldg: you should have it give you a list of the orgs on request |
| 16:21.53 | firespeaker | and their channels |
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| 16:25.15 | aviraldg | !orgchannels |
| 16:25.16 | gcibot | aviraldg: #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-devel #sugar #haiku #drupal #wikimedia-dev |
| 16:25.23 | firespeaker | aviraldg: :) |
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| 16:25.44 | firespeaker | ♥ foss |
| 16:25.53 | firespeaker | submit a feature request, and 4 minutes later it works |
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| 16:34.03 | binaryking | aviraldg: for Drupal - #drupal-gci and for KDE - #kde-soc :) |
| 16:34.37 | aviraldg | hmm |
| 16:34.50 | aviraldg | those aren't the channels they've got listed on their org pages |
| 16:35.31 | binaryking | aviraldg: umm, but those are the specific channels for GCI |
| 16:35.53 | aviraldg | yeah, so you might want to let them know |
| 16:35.59 | aviraldg | maybe ask them to update their org pages |
| 16:38.55 | gevaerts | aviraldg: I'd also set realname to something that has both your nick and the url in it, so /whois provides that |
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| 16:40.11 | kblin | yeah, please :) |
| 16:40.18 | Wabouz_ | Hello all :) |
| 16:40.32 | kblin | aviraldg: see gsocbot for an example |
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| 16:41.01 | kblin | aviraldg: also, why do we need two bots? |
| 16:41.30 | aviraldg | 1mo |
| 16:41.30 | aviraldg | well... you could update gsocbot to do what gcibot does? |
| 16:41.44 | kblin | aviraldg: so what is it doing? |
| 16:41.59 | kblin | I'm not saying it might not be handy, I just wonder what it does |
| 16:42.04 | aviraldg | This: |
| 16:42.05 | aviraldg | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2012/7948211 |
| 16:42.07 | kblin | because factoids we sure can have in gsocbot |
| 16:42.09 | gcibot | [Eden] Mapping: Potlatch integration |
| 16:42.09 | gcibot | Status: Reopened |
| 16:42.09 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Fran, Pat Tressel |
| 16:42.18 | kblin | uh |
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| 16:43.23 | kblin | aviraldg: ok, that might be handy, but it might also be rather noisy |
| 16:44.26 | kblin | aviraldg: so what I'd suggest is we keep the factoids in gsocbot, because it already does factoids just fine |
| 16:44.41 | kblin | aviraldg: and let gcibot do the GCI information thing |
| 16:44.55 | aviraldg | uh sure |
| 16:45.07 | aviraldg | only factoid in there right now is the irc channel list |
| 16:45.44 | aviraldg | >> #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-soc #sugar #haiku #drupal-gci #wikimedia-dev |
| 16:46.25 | aviraldg | okay, removed |
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| 16:46.29 | aviraldg | you can add it to gsocbot now |
| 16:46.34 | aviraldg | (and updated realname) |
| 16:46.46 | kblin | !learn gci channels as #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-soc #sugar #haiku #drupal-gci #wikimedia-dev |
| 16:46.47 | gsocbot | kblin: "gci channels" is #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-soc #sugar #haiku #drupal-gci #wikimedia-dev |
| 16:47.16 | kblin | aviraldg: perfect, thanks |
| 16:48.19 | kblin | aviraldg: if we find out that during GCI, the three-line summary makes the channel scroll like crazy, we might want to make that a one-line thing |
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| 16:48.37 | kblin | but let's tackle that iff it turns out to be a problem |
| 16:49.01 | aviraldg | sure |
| 16:49.10 | aviraldg | monitoring logs to make sure none of the orgs have a problem with it |
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| 16:50.10 | kblin | morning stephanie |
| 16:50.23 | aviraldg | \o |
| 16:50.31 | Darrel | o/ |
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| 16:51.09 | binaryking | = |
| 16:51.11 | binaryking | \o/ |
| 16:51.13 | binaryking | ;) |
| 16:52.16 | sttaylor | kblin: morning : ) |
| 16:52.27 | firespeaker | aviraldg: wait, gcibot is logging us? |
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| 16:52.34 | aviraldg | no |
| 16:52.42 | aviraldg | just messages you send it directly |
| 16:52.56 | firespeaker | !learn gci channels as #gsoc |
| 16:52.56 | gsocbot | firespeaker: "gci channels" is (#1) #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-soc #sugar #haiku #drupal-gci #wikimedia-dev, or (#2) #gsoc |
| 16:53.06 | firespeaker | what |
| 16:53.14 | firespeaker | what did I do :( |
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| 16:53.35 | firespeaker | aviraldg: looks like it might not be troll-proof |
| 16:54.00 | firespeaker | though I guess no bot is safe |
| 16:54.17 | aviraldg | That's gsocbot, not gcibot |
| 16:54.28 | firespeaker | oh, oops |
| 16:54.33 | firespeaker | even worse :( |
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| 16:58.33 | walterbender | aviraldg: other than looking at the code, is there some documentation for your bot? e.g., what does it do? |
| 16:58.50 | aviraldg | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2012/7948211 |
| 16:58.54 | gcibot | [Eden] Mapping: Potlatch integration |
| 16:58.54 | gcibot | Status: Reopened |
| 16:58.54 | gcibot | Mentor(s): Fran, Pat Tressel |
| 16:58.56 | walterbender | thx |
| 17:00.00 | sttaylor | all right everyone here we go… : ) |
| 17:00.06 | aviraldg | :D |
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| 17:00.40 | walterbender | got back from Malaysia just in time :) |
| 17:02.12 | sttaylor | GCI 2013 has officially started! |
| 17:03.23 | firespeaker | :) |
| 17:03.56 | Slurpee | pops open can of mountain dew in celebration ;) |
| 17:04.22 | firespeaker | no claimed tasks yet.... |
| 17:04.34 | Slurpee | lol |
| 17:05.00 | sttaylor | I'm having a hot chocolate made from melted chocolate from Ireland- thanks Mario! |
| 17:05.15 | sttaylor | they have to register first- that will take them at least 5-10 minutes…. : ) |
| 17:05.58 | dooma | Again, 404 page for Parental Consent and Enrollment Form :) |
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| 17:08.19 | spectie | hey sttaylor ! |
| 17:08.28 | sttaylor | dooma: do you mean from the GCI homepage- the Downloads tab? |
| 17:09.48 | sttaylor | dooma: you should just be able to click on the Downloads tab on the left side of the homepage and then it brings up the Parental Consent forms in 17 languages and you select the one you want and it downloads as a pdf for you |
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| 17:11.38 | Slurpee | first task claimed by Drupal :) |
| 17:11.42 | firespeaker | nice |
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| 17:12.17 | Slurpee | and here the come :) |
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| 17:13.52 | archit | what am i suppose to file in for Im network? should it be my_irc_nick:irc.freenode.net ? or is it just irc:irc.freenode.net |
| 17:14.00 | walterbender | sugar labs has assigned its first task :P |
| 17:14.13 | dooma | sttaylor: thanks. It works now! |
| 17:14.42 | Slurpee | walterbender, feels good, doesn't it? :) |
| 17:14.51 | archit | *fill |
| 17:14.52 | walterbender | it does... |
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| 17:16.21 | Slurpee | sttaylor, admins/mentors are not allowed to view student profile? |
| 17:16.42 | Slurpee | Example, I wanted to check out the student profile before assigning. |
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| 17:19.06 | sttaylor | slurpee: no you can't view a student's profile because they are under 18 |
| 17:19.17 | Slurpee | sttaylor, gotcha. |
| 17:19.54 | Slurpee | Just tried assigning a task... |
| 17:19.59 | Slurpee | Error: Server Error |
| 17:19.59 | Slurpee | The server encountered an error and could not complete your request. |
| 17:19.59 | Slurpee | If the problem persists, please report your problem and mention this error message and the query that caused it. |
| 17:20.12 | Slurpee | worked on second try |
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| 17:20.51 | waldi | Slurpee: #melange or so |
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| 17:23.24 | dooma | sttaylor: What does 'Initial here' mean? The initial of my first name or initial of parent first name? |
| 17:24.04 | dooma | sttaylor: I ask for Parental Consent |
| 17:24.17 | sttaylor | dooma: Initial here is for your parents to sign their initials to each page of the Parental Consent form |
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| 17:27.37 | firespeaker | dooma: "initial" in this case is a verb meaning "write the initials of your name", which is something that isn't done everywhere that uses the latin alphabet |
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| 17:27.50 | firespeaker | I wonder how they translated that in the various translations |
| 17:27.56 | firespeaker | probably just "sign here" :-P |
| 17:27.59 | hello_world | !logs |
| 17:27.59 | gsocbot | hello_world: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 17:39.45 | Wabouz_ | Hi, I'm waiting for my parental consent form to be verified since almost 15 minuts... :/ |
| 17:40.01 | Wabouz_ | Is there something I can do but waiting? |
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| 17:42.50 | frog_ | what is Im handle? |
| 17:43.09 | dooma | Wabouz_: as I know, you could pick a task even your parental consent is not verified. You should just uplod |
| 17:43.13 | dooma | Wabouz_: as I know, you could pick a task even your parental consent is not verified. You should just upload |
| 17:43.54 | Wabouz_ | It keeps saying me : "You cannot claim this task at this time because you you have not submitted the parental consent or the enrollment form. To submit the forms please" |
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| 17:44.05 | Wabouz_ | But I did ... :/ |
| 17:44.26 | dooma | What about enrollment form? |
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| 17:45.50 | DrJoel | What is gcibot? |
| 17:46.06 | Wabouz_ | dooma, I can't download it, there is a 404 error... :/ |
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| 17:46.51 | aviraldg | gcibot, ... |
| 17:46.52 | gcibot | aviraldg: Hey, I'm a bot written by aviraldg who inserts metadata about GCI links! Source at: https://github.com/aviraldg/gcibot. |
| 17:49.22 | sttaylor | Wabouz_: You shouldn't have to have your forms verified to claim your first task. Have you tried to claim the task? I am starting to verify forms now but I know other students have already claimed tasks without their forms being verified |
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| 17:50.05 | Wabouz_ | sttaylor, I'm trying... :/ I think I will keep trying ^^"... |
| 17:50.48 | Darrel | it works |
| 17:50.58 | Darrel | you can claim without forms being verified |
| 17:51.02 | Darrel | just make sure you uploaded them |
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| 17:53.09 | dooma | Wabouz_, click on Downloads tab(on left side of webpage) and there you could download the form in your language. Also, after you upload the forms, upload them on https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/student/forms/google/gci2013 and you are ready to go. :) |
| 17:53.38 | dooma | Verify that you uploaded all files that are required(parental consent and enrollment forms) |
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| 17:54.46 | Wabouz_ | Just reuploaded my student ID |
| 17:55.00 | Wabouz_ | It works! |
| 17:55.04 | Wabouz_ | Thanks a lot ^^ |
| 17:55.22 | dooma | Wabouz_ anytime :) |
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| 18:00.27 | zrl | hey, the link to the parental consent form is broken for the code-in |
| 18:01.15 | zrl | hey, the link to the parental consent form is broken for the code-in |
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| 18:01.44 | allman | what is the link and error message? |
| 18:01.56 | zrl | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/student/forms/google/None |
| 18:01.58 | zrl | 404 |
| 18:02.07 | zrl | should have included that in the original message, sorry about that |
| 18:02.10 | sttaylor | zrl: hello, did you try to get the Parental Consent forms from the google-melange.com homepage- under the Downloads tab on the left? |
| 18:02.16 | olly | that "None" looks suspect... |
| 18:02.18 | zrl | yeah |
| 18:02.24 | zrl | sttaylor: haven't, will try that now |
| 18:03.14 | sttaylor | zrl: the link you pasted above, where exactly did you find that? Was that on your registration profile? Thanks. |
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| 18:03.56 | zrl | sttaylor: it was shown after submitting the registration page. full url: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/student/forms/google/gci2013 |
| 18:04.17 | zrl | i'm not seeing a downloads tab on melange http://i.imgur.com/EbZH5wV.png |
| 18:04.23 | sttaylor | zrl: thank you, we'll get that fixed |
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| 18:04.34 | sttaylor | zrl: click on the |
| 18:04.44 | zrl | ah, i see |
| 18:04.48 | cvickers | how lang does it take for them to validate your registration |
| 18:04.57 | sttaylor | zrl: click on the Google Code-in page from that landing page then you'll see the Downloads tab on the far left |
| 18:05.07 | zrl | got it, thanks! |
| 18:05.39 | zrl | i'm really excited that google's doing such incredible outreach. i'm really excited to see how the code-in turns out. |
| 18:05.48 | sttaylor | cvickers: I am starting to verify forms now but there are already hundreds to review so it will take awhile. You can claim your first task without having your forms verified |
| 18:06.03 | cvickers | ok thanks |
| 18:06.17 | sttaylor | zrl: Great, we are glad you are participating this year. Have fun and good luck! |
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| 18:06.26 | sttaylor | cvickers: you are very welcome |
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| 18:07.30 | cvickers | sttaylor: just as a early guess how many people do you think will participate in gci2013 |
| 18:07.53 | zrl | i'm a little disappointed to see data entry/validation tasks though. |
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| 18:08.15 | sttaylor | cvickers: I have no way to really guess that. A lot of students register and then don't actually complete a task. But I would guess around 500 or so |
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| 18:09.00 | cvickers | sttaylor: ok thanks for the info off to go start on a task :) |
| 18:09.20 | allman | ZRL: There are many ways to contribute to FOSS :) |
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| 18:09.36 | sttaylor | zrl: There are a variety of tasks available for students to choose from. Open source development isn't just about coding, this contest tries to get everyone involved. not all students are comfortable coding but they want to learn about the open source projects. |
| 18:09.46 | Johnaudi | hey guys I've got a problem with GCI |
| 18:10.01 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: what can we help you with? |
| 18:10.07 | Johnaudi | A signed Parental Consent Form from your legal parent or guardian. To download the sample form or one of its translations click here.' |
| 18:10.16 | Johnaudi | when I press the 'click here' it shows me error 404 |
| 18:10.31 | Johnaudi | https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/student/forms/google/None to be exact |
| 18:10.34 | madrazr | zrl: that URL should be a valid link now |
| 18:10.44 | zrl | Johnaudi: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/content/list/google/gci2013 |
| 18:10.44 | madrazr | zrl: thanks for reporting! |
| 18:10.50 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: that is currently being fixed. we implemented an easier way to get the forms from the homepage that was just implemented last night |
| 18:10.52 | zrl | madrazr: thanks for the quick fix! |
| 18:10.58 | Johnaudi | wow you guys fix stuff prettu quick haha |
| 18:11.27 | Johnaudi | excuse to me to ask but do I have to have a scanner? |
| 18:11.27 | sttaylor | you can go to the Downloads tab on the far left and then the Parental Consent forms will be available to download in 17 languages |
| 18:11.36 | Johnaudi | can'tI take a picture with my phone or something? |
| 18:11.38 | zrl | allman, sttaylor: agreed, it unfortunately seems that there's a large gap between the skill-level of tasks though. there aren't very many "beginner" tasks outside of manual stuff. |
| 18:12.00 | Johnaudi | @zrl the stuff is pretty basic, I was hoping for more C++ and C# tasks |
| 18:12.11 | Johnaudi | .NET is what I trained for the past year D: |
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| 18:13.00 | zrl | Johnaudi: maybe this'll be a good chance to learn something new? being relatively language-agnostic is important, at least from what i've seen. |
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| 18:13.05 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: You can take a picture with your phone as long as it is legible so that I can read it. Sometimes people upload them in a format that can't be enlarged and I am unable to read them and they have to resubmit |
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| 18:13.47 | Johnaudi | That's great, thanks a bunch -- another issue I have to report though |
| 18:13.59 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: these are just the tasks available today, more tasks will be uploaded throughout the contest, quite a few more will be entered by the end of this week I suspect by all of the orgs |
| 18:14.33 | Johnaudi | ''A scan of your Student ID, School transcript or letter from school. For examples click here.' <- when I press 'click here' it will guide me to the Parental Consent form |
| 18:14.47 | Johnaudi | Thanks for giving me more hope sttaylor! |
| 18:15.40 | madrazr | Johnaudi: If I am correct sttaylor is going to upload those samples later in the week |
| 18:16.03 | madrazr | Johnaudi: the page it takes you to is a generic page where we will upload everything that can be downloaded, not just parental consent forms |
| 18:16.25 | sttaylor | they are available on the wiki right now at: https://code.google.com/p/google-code-in/wiki/AcceptableProofofEnrollment |
| 18:16.26 | zrl | Johnaudi: mind if i pm you? |
| 18:16.29 | Johnaudi | Okay, thanks for answering my questions |
| 18:16.49 | Johnaudi | sure but I doubt I'd be a big help unless it's coding wise @zrl |
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| 18:17.43 | Johnaudi | thanks sttaylor! a bunch |
| 18:18.14 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: you are very welcome : ) |
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| 18:20.29 | allman | sttaylor: Nice bunch of people so far this morning :) |
| 18:21.00 | sttaylor | allman: yes, looks like we are going to have another awesome bunch of students and mentors for GCI! |
| 18:23.52 | Darrel | Alright, I'll admit that my eyesight isn't in perfect condition today (Missed obvious stuff a few times -.-), but I really can't find where to file bug reports to google-melange |
| 18:23.52 | Johnaudi | mentors? |
| 18:24.06 | Darrel | I spotted 2 bugs.. or 1 sure bug, and 1 that I'm not sure is a bug |
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| 18:24.46 | Johnaudi | If it's about the 'click here' or submission form I think they're working on it |
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| 18:26.03 | Darrel | Nope, different |
| 18:27.00 | darkapex | Heh. I got so excited, that I prepared a patch for a claimed task; and it is not yet assigned to me. \o/ |
| 18:27.13 | allman | Darrel: If you scroll to the bottom of the page in the GCI site you'll see a Melange link. It takes you to the project wiki. See Issues https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 18:27.22 | Darrel | thanks :) |
| 18:27.35 | allman | Thank *you* |
| 18:27.39 | RoonyH | Darrel: And also there is #melange |
| 18:28.09 | Darrel | yeah, I've been camping #melange for like months, but I dont think there is much reason to spam there :P |
| 18:28.49 | RoonyH | Darrel: It should be active today :) |
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| 18:32.25 | Dalimil_ | Are we not allowed to upload work before our forms are checked? |
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| 18:33.38 | sttaylor | Dalimil_: you can work on a task before your forms are verified but no, the system shouldn't let you submit the work until the forms are verified. |
| 18:33.49 | Dalimil_ | ok |
| 18:34.27 | Johnaudi | Just a pointer here, the world is so small... |
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| 18:35.11 | Johnaudi | Question, are two people allowed to team up and help each other up on each other's tasks? |
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| 18:38.49 | d1master | hi |
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| 18:39.25 | blast007 | Johnaudi: that is covered in the FAQ :) |
| 18:39.36 | d1master | How much time I have to wait for my students foem bw verified |
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| 18:40.07 | d1master | How much time I have to wait for my students form be verified? |
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| 18:41.31 | Johnaudi | !faq gci |
| 18:41.42 | Johnaudi | how do you make that bot speak? |
| 18:41.44 | Lingo__ | The downloads page isn't working for me? |
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| 18:42.46 | darkapex | d1master: It'll take some time, but you only need to upload the forms to start claiming tasks. If you have uploaded both, you can claim. Best of luck :) |
| 18:42.55 | sttaylor | d1master: you can claim a task without your forms being verified. We are currently going through the forms but it takes a long time to download each form and verify it for each student. We will get through these as quickly as we can. Thanks for your understanding. |
| 18:42.58 | blast007 | Johnaudi: the FAQ is linked on the GCI page |
| 18:43.38 | d1master | Ok thanks i lot |
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| 18:46.43 | d1master | ok i got task |
| 18:46.44 | d1master | This is your current task! |
| 18:46.54 | d1master | and what i have to doing now ?! |
| 18:46.58 | d1master | do now ? |
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| 18:48.01 | Johnaudi | work on the task and submit the form when done |
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| 18:52.02 | JakeRullman | Can we sign the consent forms digitally? |
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| 18:56.38 | Johnaudi | can '18 years old sister' be considered as a legal Guardian? |
| 18:57.30 | d1master | I have no idea what i have to do on this tasks :D |
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| 18:58.17 | allman | JakeRullman: yes |
| 18:58.36 | JakeRullman | awesome, thanks |
| 18:58.51 | Darrel | d1master, don't worry, you will get the hang of it :) |
| 18:59.04 | d1master | I hope so :D |
| 18:59.43 | d1master | Some one speak Macedonian, Serbian ? |
| 18:59.50 | Johnaudi | uhmm |
| 19:00.06 | Johnaudi | sorry this might sound harsh but why did you take a task that you have no idea to do with it? |
| 19:00.20 | Johnaudi | it's just like renting a house and just leave it there |
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| 19:00.24 | d1master | I didd't take it |
| 19:00.35 | Johnaudi | oh makes more sense now, I'm sorry |
| 19:00.47 | d1master | i take it and then Untake :D |
| 19:03.07 | olly | Johnaudi: is she your legal guardian? |
| 19:04.25 | spectie | d1master, #apertium if you have a question you want to ask in Macedonian/Serbian |
| 19:05.14 | d1master | ojey |
| 19:05.16 | d1master | okey |
| 19:05.58 | allman | Johnaudi: The legal guardian needs to actually be your legal guardian - a sibling doesn't usually count. |
| 19:06.01 | Dragooon | Ooooo GCI started! |
| 19:07.49 | Dragooon | I can't participate :( |
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| 19:17.48 | Johnaudi | Anyways, should I take a picture of the whole Parental Consent or just the page where my dad filled the parts? |
| 19:18.02 | Johnaudi | aka the last |
| 19:20.15 | waldi | allman: a sibling can be legal guardian, at least where i live. however this usualy means all parents and grandparents are dead |
| 19:21.48 | allman | waldi: true, they can be. My point was that the "legal guardian" must in fact *be* the legal guardian. :) |
| 19:21.54 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: You need to submit all pages of the Parental Consent form and your parent needs to be sure to put their initials on the bottom of each page in the spot indicated. |
| 19:22.50 | Johnaudi | okay so my dad filled it up but he puts in my email and phone number, was that correct or should he change that? |
| 19:23.16 | Johnaudi | another thing, his name is Antoine Audi so he put in the Initial spot the letters 'A/A' is that correct? |
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| 19:27.29 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: Yes, your Dad should initial AA on the bottom of each page. |
| 19:27.56 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: it's supposed to be his phone number and email, but if he doesn't have an email you can use yours |
| 19:28.32 | Johnaudi | Ah, he uses his for work and doesn't expect anyone calling him besides from work |
| 19:28.38 | Johnaudi | should I tel him to change that anyways? |
| 19:28.58 | Johnaudi | tell* |
| 19:30.08 | sttaylor | Johnaudi: Yes, please. Thanks. |
| 19:30.42 | Johnaudi | Since I was using a permanent pen, I'll put both... Thanks for the respond! |
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| 19:50.29 | frog_ | For what do i have to give my phone number away? |
| 19:53.35 | sttaylor | frog_: When we ship your package to you (with the certificate and t-shirt if you complete 3 or more tasks) the FedEx shipping folks use that phone number to contact you in case you are not home when they try to deliver. |
| 19:54.16 | frog_ | sttaylor: in europe the partner from fedex? |
| 19:54.42 | sttaylor | frog_: yes, whoever we use internationally will need that as well. |
| 19:54.42 | gevaerts | fedex does operate in Europe |
| 19:57.33 | frog_ | ok |
| 19:57.41 | frog_ | gevaerts: i didnt know |
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| 20:18.07 | kblin | evening folks |
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| 20:21.49 | Aaron1011 | How should I contact the mentors from Haiku OS? |
| 20:22.43 | kblin | !gci channels | Aaron1011 |
| 20:22.43 | gsocbot | Aaron1011: "gci channels" is (#1) #sahana-agasti #sahana #sahana-eden #apertium #brlcad #CopyleftGames #rtems #kde-soc #sugar #haiku #drupal-gci #wikimedia-dev, or (#2) #gsoc |
| 20:23.18 | Aaron1011 | Okay, thanks! |
| 20:25.20 | spectie | aviraldg, <firespeaker> aviraldg: how about getting a list of tasks needing review? |
| 20:25.21 | spectie | +1 |
| 20:25.22 | spectie | :) |
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| 20:29.34 | Adib | hai |
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| 21:09.01 | zrl | Adib: hi |
| 21:09.13 | Adib | omg |
| 21:09.14 | Adib | its alive |
| 21:09.15 | Adib | ,3 |
| 21:09.17 | Adib | <3 |
| 21:10.06 | zrl | <3 |
| 21:10.47 | zrl | has anyone completed a task yet? |
| 21:12.28 | walterbender | we have several very close to complete at Sugar Labs |
| 21:13.20 | Darrel | I got 2 done |
| 21:14.00 | zrl | i'm hoping tasks will show up for go |
| 21:15.15 | Dragooon | So, how are you guys doing? |
| 21:15.20 | zrl | walterbender: that's very exciting. i'm a huge fan of sugar's mission. |
| 21:15.44 | walterbender | zrl: just marked the first task as Compelte!!! |
| 21:15.54 | zrl | nice! |
| 21:18.22 | Adib | so, can this be done in any language or is it strictly webbased languages? |
| 21:18.34 | zrl | Adib: it varies from task to task |
| 21:18.46 | Dragooon | There's hardly any web based language task except for Drupal |
| 21:19.23 | Dragooon | There are* |
| 21:19.27 | kblin | I've worked on a web service written in C once, does that mean C is a web based language? |
| 21:19.42 | Dragooon | No |
| 21:19.43 | kblin | :) |
| 21:19.53 | Dragooon | Oh wait, that was a rhetorical question |
| 21:20.09 | zrl | maybe web-oriented is a better word |
| 21:20.30 | kblin | for the record, if you ever get the idea of writing your CGI programs in C, then please lie down until you feel better |
| 21:20.44 | Dragooon | Haha yeah |
| 21:20.54 | Dragooon | You should try and use Fortran |
| 21:21.10 | Adib | so, from my understanding i just sign up and get a mentor appointed we pick a task and i complete it? |
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| 21:21.54 | Dragooon | Pretty much, yes |
| 21:22.19 | sttaylor | Adib: the tasks already have mentors assigned to them. If you claim a task an email is sent to the mentor who will then assign it to you and you can start working on the task |
| 21:22.31 | Adib | ok thanks. |
| 21:23.32 | Dragooon | Are the winners based on points this time or is it following the organisation picks two winners structure from last year? |
| 21:27.02 | sttaylor | Dragooon: The same structure as last year where each organization chooses 2 winners based on the work of the 5 students who complete the most tasks with the organization. |
| 21:27.25 | Dragooon | So each organisation can have a max of 5 students working for them/ |
| 21:27.26 | Dragooon | ? |
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| 21:27.41 | Dragooon | Oh wait, I read that wrong |
| 21:29.09 | Adib | hm |
| 21:29.15 | Adib | i mi ght not be able to participate |
| 21:29.29 | Dragooon | Why not? |
| 21:29.33 | Adib | accredation stuff |
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| 21:37.10 | zrl | so, just to get a conversation started, how did everyone here get started with programming/interested in technology? |
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| 21:39.55 | Adib | games :P |
| 21:40.07 | Adib | im a 3d artist student |
| 21:40.42 | zrl | interesting, i find a lot of people get started with games. in many ways, they seem to be a "gateway drug" of sorts into tech. |
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| 21:42.31 | zrl | it's one of the many reasons i'm particularily excited for code combat. they introduce programming through a game. |
| 21:42.50 | zrl | i'm interested to see how easily their students transition from their game to real-world programming |
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| 21:43.11 | Adib | oh yeah code combat is certainly interesting |
| 21:43.18 | Adib | i feel like it was way too buggy when i played it though |
| 21:43.30 | zrl | they're super beta right now. |
| 21:43.34 | Adib | but a great concept and hope they can fix it :P |
| 21:44.06 | zrl | i had a brief chance to talk to the founders at startup school. they launched the day before their office hours with ycombinator. |
| 21:44.20 | zrl | pretty much the definition of a nightmare |
| 21:45.20 | Adib | LO |
| 21:45.27 | zrl | their office hours are online at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syoqjYLDs48 |
| 21:46.36 | Adib | you lucky bastard :P |
| 21:47.04 | allman | No profanity please. |
| 21:47.29 | zrl | Adib: lol |
| 21:47.37 | kblin | heyas cat |
| 21:47.47 | Adib | Im sorry, i dont consider "bastard" profanity, it is certainly not aimed at someone and not aimed at being offensive to others |
| 21:48.03 | allman | kblin: hi - how are you? |
| 21:48.36 | kblin | allman: good, putting the final touches to my dissertation, hoping to be able to get the whole thing over with this year |
| 21:48.59 | allman | Wow - Good luck! |
| 21:49.22 | kblin | thanks |
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| 21:50.30 | Palindrome | Is Sean Here? |
| 21:50.40 | kblin | sean who? |
| 21:50.50 | Palindrome | From BRL-CAD |
| 21:50.54 | kblin | is this a knock knock joke? :) |
| 21:50.56 | kblin | oh |
| 21:51.19 | kblin | try brlcad |
| 21:51.25 | kblin | pokes brlcad |
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| 21:51.48 | kblin | so I think the answer is he's here, but he might be afk :) |
| 21:53.18 | Palindrome | Alright, do you know what font the BRL-CAD header is? http://cpp-tricks.com/brlcad/ |
| 21:53.34 | Palindrome | It is that big header, is that open sans? |
| 21:53.45 | zrl | Palindrome: open sans extrabold |
| 21:53.57 | Palindrome | thanks zrl |
| 21:54.30 | zrl | you can see the find by inspecting the element in firefox's debug tools and then clicking on the fonts tab, just for future reference. |
| 21:54.58 | zrl | s/the find/the font/s |
| 21:56.10 | kblin | zrl: I'm not convinced code combat really teaches you much about programming at the moment, but I haven't had the opportunity to try it on someone suitable yet |
| 21:57.02 | zrl | kblin: i haven't used it myself, just saw them at startup school. what do you think of codecademy and friends? |
| 21:57.11 | Adib | i might go as far as it teaches the basic concepts and gets them intersted to try something out like unity |
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| 22:07.17 | kblin | zrl: haven't played with codecademy, to be honest |
| 22:07.35 | kblin | zrl: I mostly tried code combat because I got to beat up some orcs :) |
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| 22:08.21 | Adib | lol |
| 22:09.49 | zrl | kblin: you bring up a good point with that - engagement. code combat, to some extent, nailed the engagement part. i've yet to see an interactive online tool that really gets the learning part down. i've heard good things about khan academy's curriculum though. |
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| 22:13.26 | summatusmentis | depends on how you define "nailed" |
| 22:13.52 | summatusmentis | psychologically, 'gamification' doesn't engage user's intrinsic motivations |
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| 22:15.07 | zrl | summatusmentis: i'd love a reference for that. |
| 22:15.18 | summatusmentis | there's a bunch of psych research on it |
| 22:15.30 | summatusmentis | lemme see if I can find the name of the guy |
| 22:16.19 | summatusmentis | I should stipulate, the research I'm aware of doesn't cover "games using a different goal as the mechanic" |
| 22:16.37 | summatusmentis | just the simple 'gamification' stuff like points, badges, etc. |
| 22:16.43 | gevaerts | On the subject of nailing it, I'd look for carpenters, not psychologists |
| 22:17.32 | kblin | summatusmentis: code combat doesn't seem to have badges.. |
| 22:17.51 | kblin | it does have a whole lot of dead orcs if you get things right, though |
| 22:18.03 | summatusmentis | I'm not familiar with the specifics of code combat, so I might just be off-topic |
| 22:18.10 | summatusmentis | http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2488398 is the most recent HCI paper I've seen on it |
| 22:18.36 | kblin | I thought gamification was the attempt to turn boring things into games by awarding achivements on things |
| 22:18.51 | kblin | like visual studio has something for refactoring code |
| 22:19.16 | olly | kblin: or dead awks maybe |
| 22:19.19 | summatusmentis | it really depends on how people use it |
| 22:20.17 | gevaerts | Instead of fighting orcs, they could have you fight badgers, which is a step towards badges |
| 22:22.28 | kblin | gevaerts: I had the impression fighting badgers is a really british thing these days ;) |
| 22:22.55 | gevaerts | Yes, it sometimes seems that way |
| 22:23.02 | gevaerts | They probably make badges out of them |
| 22:25.14 | summatusmentis | and here's a psych paper on it - http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8279.1977.tb02353.x/abstract |
| 22:25.24 | summatusmentis | I'll stop derailing the conversation now |
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| 22:30.49 | kblin | and I'm off for the night :) |
| 22:33.09 | allman | sleep well! |
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| 22:59.11 | Palindrome | brlcad Are you online? |
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| 23:25.35 | HectorAE | I have a question about the Code-In? |
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| 23:27.49 | sttaylor | HectorAE: sure, go ahead |
| 23:28.17 | unitraxx | ping university of antwerp |
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| 23:28.53 | HectorAE | I'm in a dual-credit program, where I'm taking college courses but haven't actually finished high school. Am I still eligible? |
| 23:29.24 | sttaylor | HectorAE: as long as you are still attending a pre-university (high school) on a daily basis yes you are eligible |
| 23:29.27 | KristofDM | unitraxx, UA student here :) |
| 23:29.53 | HectorAE | Okay, good. |
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