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| 00:07.17 | cognifloyd | I've tried adding styles (via tinymce's html button) to my Proposal to make my lists more appealing, however, the style attribute is stripped from ul elements. Is there a way to make sublists have a different list-style-types? It feels crowded with every sub list using disc. |
| 00:07.59 | cognifloyd | knows that proposals have already been submitted, but a mentor has opened editing to clarify a few things, and I would like to clean up this visual issue at the same time. |
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| 00:14.25 | nurupo | cognifloyd: i wish my mentor would at least response to by emails, which he suddenly stopped doing after 2nd of May, not even opening editing so i would fix some highlights |
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| 00:14.59 | cognifloyd | Different mentors have different styles... Figure out how your mentor likes to work, and you'll be happy :) |
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| 00:38.25 | themill | Hi! I'm not mentoring this year -- how do I unsubscribe from the gsoc-mentors mailing list? Mailing the unsubscribe addr at the bottom of the emails just tells me that I'm not a member of that group so I can't unsubscribe. |
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| 00:44.16 | ojwb | themill: i'd guess you're subscribed from a different address |
| 00:44.33 | ojwb | if you can't work out which one, google-summer-of-code-mentors-list+owners@googlegroups.com is probably the place to ask |
| 00:45.10 | ojwb | i think they auto-subscribe the address of the google account you signed into melange with, if that helps |
| 00:45.14 | themill | ojwb: I know the subscription address (it's also in the headers) but that doesn't seem to help me. |
| 00:45.35 | themill | Yeah, so the addr they are sending to is not the google account I used to sign in with, just for added amusement |
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| 00:49.34 | Cerlyn_ | I think they use the email address you enter into melange when signing up, even if it is an alias of the open ID account and cannot be used to sign into the google groups website itself |
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| 00:52.20 | cognifloyd | I would love for someone to change the following css rule in melange (A.typography.css) so that sublists look better. The specific rule that could be changed is "#main .grid_9 ul ul" to include "list-style:circle" |
| 00:56.49 | ojwb | cognifloyd: you should probably open a ticket for melange |
| 00:57.22 | cognifloyd | is searching soc issues to see if someone has already filed something similar |
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| 01:04.07 | cognifloyd | just submitted issue 1847: https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1847 |
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| 02:38.13 | proph | hello |
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| 02:39.29 | proph | Is anybody here a mentor? |
| 02:41.04 | proph | anybody there? |
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| 02:43.04 | hiker | I am a mentor, but 1st year org - but I can try to help |
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| 02:43.50 | tomarshubham24 | Hi everyone ! |
| 02:44.40 | tomarshubham24 | Anyone applying to Python software foundation ? |
| 02:45.18 | proph | hiker are you excited to mentor? |
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| 02:45.59 | proph | I hope you can help me a broader idea of what goes on with gsoc, I read as much as I could and I thought it would be a cool thing to jump into |
| 02:46.40 | hiker | The deadline for student proposals is over |
| 02:46.42 | ojwb | proph: you're a bit late for this year |
| 02:46.45 | hiker | ... if that is the question |
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| 02:46.58 | proph | yea that I found out after I discovered this whole program today |
| 02:47.15 | proph | I do understand that it is currently a review session for the mentors right? |
| 02:47.16 | hiker | Timeline is https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
| 02:47.18 | ojwb | !anyone | tomarshubham24 |
| 02:47.19 | gsocbot | tomarshubham24: "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization directly. You can find an org's contact information via the org list at http://goo.gl/yxeB0 |
| 02:47.38 | hiker | Correct |
| 02:47.40 | ojwb | you're also more likely to find students there too |
| 02:47.52 | hiker | Mentors have around 2 to 3 weeks to pick the students they want |
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| 02:49.40 | tomarshubham24 | @ gsocbot Actually, I've applied, just wanted to know if there are other students applying for the same project / organization as I am, so that we can get to know each other. |
| 02:50.42 | proph | would I possibly be able to get atleast a look if I somehow get an application in the hands of a mentoring org.? I know it is more than last minute, the application period is over, and I learned about this whole program today. I fell like with a pool of 177 organizations, and probably multiple mentors for most of them. I hope that someone somewhere would give me the time for an email |
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| 02:55.33 | hiker | proph: I can't (at this stage) hand out existing applications |
| 02:55.41 | hiker | But afaik other orgs have older apps online |
| 02:55.48 | hiker | Like the successful ones |
| 02:55.58 | hiker | And some orgs actually have apps in their wiki |
| 02:56.13 | hiker | We (SuperTuxKart) don't, but I hope to publish the successful ones once we are done |
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| 02:57.48 | proph | hiker: Can you recommend any to me? I am searching for a personal learning experience with a mentor who is as engaging and passionate as I would be. I want a truly great experience |
| 02:58.15 | hiker | I doubt any mentor will have time to give you this at this time |
| 02:58.33 | hiker | Look at the orgs and find out what you want to do first |
| 02:58.51 | hiker | most orgs (I assume) will be happy to get new contributors |
| 02:59.10 | hiker | And they will usually help you to get started, and provide feedback for patches |
| 02:59.32 | hiker | It might be worth looking at failed organisations |
| 02:59.38 | hiker | i.e. orgs that didn't get a slot |
| 02:59.54 | hiker | They might have mentors around, but I can't say if they have enough time to give you the experience you want |
| 03:00.09 | hiker | Most foss developer are volunteering, and therefore have only limited time |
| 03:00.50 | proph | Well thats the thing, I have no clue what I want to do. My proposal is to treat the summer as a learning experience. I have had some programming experience so I'm familiar and I want someone who will actually spend the time to help me. Have you worked with anyone in this program before that you enjoyed? |
| 03:01.19 | hiker | No, I haven't participated in gsoc before |
| 03:02.23 | proph | can you help me find the companies that didn't get a slot in gsoc? |
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| 03:07.04 | hiker | proph: Not really - google it |
| 03:07.21 | hiker | And you really should get an idea what you want to do first |
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| 03:07.42 | hiker | I mean even if you find someone with enough time, it should be something that you can enjoy or get useful experience from |
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| 03:10.15 | proph | thank you for you insight. I dont even care much about the program itself as much as I care about joining the opensource community with the help of some mentor |
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| 03:12.09 | ojwb | proph: i'd suggest thinking of a subject you're interested in, or some open source software you already use |
| 03:13.44 | proph | ojwb: I love playing video games, ive always thought of buildling a game one way or another |
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| 03:14.29 | ojwb | hiker: you're with supertuxkart aren't you? |
| 03:14.33 | hiker | Yep |
| 03:14.42 | hiker | proph: Then I would obviously recommend to look at some games |
| 03:14.52 | hiker | I know that hedgewars was not accepted this year |
| 03:15.04 | hiker | We are always looking for new contributors |
| 03:15.08 | hiker | as are many other games. |
| 03:15.20 | hiker | Find a game you enjoy, which use what you want to learn (or already know) |
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| 03:15.33 | hiker | We are using C++, and opengl via irrlicht |
| 03:16.09 | hiker | If you really have no idea about which games just google for open source games, or look at source force under the games category |
| 03:17.06 | hiker | If you want to know more about supertuxkart, best come to #stk, so we don't spam that channel here |
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| 03:17.33 | proph | Ive done some C++, ill meet you there |
| 03:17.37 | proph | #stk |
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| 03:19.44 | barb288 | can someone help me to 'translate' my mentor suggestion? |
| 03:20.07 | barb288 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.51 | barb288 | i didnt get if i'm still supposed to go on with the idea? and if i'm suposed to give up on the point already addressed by the other libraries |
| 03:22.00 | hiker | barb288: Mentors can still ask you for clarifications. I don't know the context, but maybe he wants so know what existing libraries could be used to save some work, or if your proposal included more than existing libraries |
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| 03:23.50 | ojwb | barb288: the best person to clarify what your mentor means is really your mentor |
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| 03:28.05 | barb288 | thank you guys, i'll do the search and ask the adequate approach over these libraries |
| 03:29.16 | maxday | : is the number of proposals received by each org is a public data ? |
| 03:30.58 | ojwb | maxday: no - some publish it, many don't |
| 03:31.33 | maxday | ojwb: thanks ! |
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| 03:41.30 | edsiper | maxday, you can try asking the org |
| 03:41.39 | maxday | yeah |
| 03:42.05 | maxday | but the number of slots they request today is a private data right ? |
| 03:44.10 | ojwb | yes |
| 03:44.22 | ojwb | but neither number really provides you with useful information |
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| 03:44.55 | ojwb | you'd need to know how many junk proposals they got, which seems to vary enormously |
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| 03:46.38 | maxday | yeah of course |
| 03:46.39 | ojwb | maxday: rather than trying to work out your chances, you'd do better to just work on improving them - for example, work on patches related to your project proposal to give the org confidence you can do the job |
| 03:46.55 | maxday | i totally agree with you |
| 03:47.20 | maxday | i think that being accepted has nothing to do with luck |
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| 03:49.17 | toso | !next |
| 03:49.20 | gsocbot | toso: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
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| 04:15.12 | gsocbot | rajatkapoor: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
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| 05:36.45 | gugu | i want to use it to be logged on to the IRC |
| 05:37.02 | thiago | I don't think anyone has given out free shell accounts since 1998 |
| 05:37.26 | thiago | that's also when I stopped using telnetd |
| 05:38.05 | bbc | it still exists but is very rare |
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| 05:41.27 | thiago | yes |
| 05:41.27 | ojwb | gugu: there are sites hosting free irc bouncers |
| 05:41.40 | ojwb | e.g. google for: free irc bouncer service |
| 05:41.43 | thiago | 13 €/month for a full VPS |
| 05:44.23 | gugu | hmm, VPS is cool |
| 05:44.31 | gugu | looks up irc bouncers |
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| 06:12.29 | gsocbot | pratnala: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 06:23.49 | pratnala | hey folks |
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| 06:34.56 | Sewar | thiago: that's too much, $20-$30 per year for VPS |
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| 06:37.53 | Sewar | for irc, vpn and testing, 128mb ram will do |
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| 06:41.39 | thiago | vincent_c: does that come with 100 Mbit/s connectivity and 5 TB/month of traffic? |
| 06:41.57 | vincent_c | that depends on where you live, really |
| 06:42.18 | vincent_c | unfortunately there's very little competition amongst telecoms where I live, so no |
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| 06:42.33 | vincent_c | (at least, not for a reasonable price) |
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| 06:46.02 | neverpanic | thiago: do you need 100 Mbit/s connectivity and 5 TB/month of traffic for IRC? ;) |
| 06:46.23 | thiago | neverpanic: no. But I don't use my VPS for IRC. |
| 06:46.36 | thiago | neverpanic: it's my web server, DNS server, VPN server, mail server. |
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| 07:36.00 | tachyons | !next |
| 07:36.01 | gsocbot | tachyons: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 07:36.16 | tachyons | Today is may 7 |
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| 07:36.38 | qw | Is there any way to know how many slots are given to particular organization? |
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| 07:38.57 | pratnala | isnt it may 6 already? |
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| 07:39.10 | pratnala | !help |
| 07:39.11 | gsocbot | pratnala: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 07:49.09 | qw | !next |
| 07:49.10 | gsocbot | qw: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
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| 07:50.04 | tachyons | gsocbot : update :-) |
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| 07:51.21 | ace_ | what does gsocbot do |
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| 09:11.04 | roonyH | !numapps |
| 09:11.05 | gsocbot | roonyH: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
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| 09:22.14 | roonyH | !logs |
| 09:22.15 | gsocbot | roonyH: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 09:26.12 | sinhayash | !next |
| 09:26.13 | gsocbot | sinhayash: "next" is May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots |
| 09:27.12 | derdon | next is May 6th? I'm confused |
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| 09:27.34 | derdon | what day is it? |
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| 09:28.09 | gevaerts | !learn next as May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
| 09:28.10 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "next" is (#1) May 6th: Mentor organizations should have requested desired slots, or (#2) May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
| 09:28.16 | gevaerts | !forget next 1 |
| 09:28.16 | gsocbot | gevaerts: "next" is May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
| 09:28.19 | gevaerts | derdon: better? :) |
| 09:28.34 | gevaerts | These things don't update by magic |
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| 09:29.37 | derdon | ah, I thought the bot would know the current date and read accordingly from a list |
| 09:30.01 | gevaerts | It doesn't, no |
| 09:30.02 | swook | sounds like a mini gsoc project |
| 09:30.13 | derdon | indeed :) |
| 09:30.15 | gevaerts | Sounds like a lot of effort for little gain, to be honest |
| 09:30.59 | swook | gevaerts: IRC bots tend to be :) |
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| 11:45.34 | tachyons | :-) |
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| 13:50.07 | hornig | hi there |
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| 13:51.27 | hornig | could someone tell me how the student allocation will be done? is it done by the number we stated in the melange system or via the "accepted" status of the student proposals? |
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| 13:56.40 | hornig | noone? |
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| 13:59.28 | hiker | hornig: afaik it has nothing to do with what you accepted or not. It depends on the number you (and all other orgs) have specified ... plus some google magic I'd guess ;) |
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| 13:59.49 | hiker | Like previous record, how many slots google overall has etc. |
| 14:00.15 | hornig | hehe, magic.google.com :) |
| 14:00.58 | hornig | okay, because then I just accepted one less than stated |
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| 14:01.35 | hiker | Carols wrote an email detailing the process: if you are a mentor/admin, search for "Please Read: Welcome! And the next few weeks for GSoC 2013." |
| 14:01.52 | hornig | let me check that |
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| 14:04.23 | kai | !slots | hornig |
| 14:04.23 | gsocbot | hornig: "slots" is (#1) Slot allocation is done manually by Chris DiBona and Carol Smith, be a good org, play nice on the mentor list and #gsoc, ask for a non-crazy-high number of slots, and you'll probably get what you ask. Note that non-crazy-high for new orgs is around 1 or 2., or (#2) http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/NotesonStudentAllocations |
| 14:04.54 | kai | but the email hiker mentioned is a good read as well :) |
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| 14:06.35 | mendeloza | what time will the slot allocations be out? |
| 14:07.24 | zifeitong | !next |
| 14:07.26 | gsocbot | zifeitong: "next" is May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
| 14:07.51 | mendeloza | "time" |
| 14:07.57 | tachyons | !timeline | mendeloza |
| 14:07.57 | gsocbot | mendeloza: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2013 |
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| 14:08.21 | hornig | kai, thanks :) |
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| 16:06.34 | carols | serves some tea and coffee |
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| 16:07.00 | white | thanks carols for tea |
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| 16:10.56 | gsocbot | gugu: "tea" is Have some tea and try to relax! |
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| 16:11.04 | gsocbot | gugu: "coffee" is over there, go take a cup. |
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| 17:00.39 | JordiGH | I'm uneasy about proposals from students using obvious pseudonyms or online handles. Can we demand real names? |
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| 17:04.17 | swook | JordiGH: doesn't the melange profiles require real names? |
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| 17:04.48 | swook | no nevermind, the public name can be anything it seems |
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| 17:05.57 | JordiGH | Well, I mean, we do have some pseudonymous contributions in our source tree, but only from people we already know and trust. |
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| 17:07.22 | gevaerts | JordiGH: I don't see anything wrong with requiring real names for commits |
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| 17:08.30 | JordiGH | If pseudonyms were good enough for Mark Twain, then they're good enough for me. We're mostly just concerned about the copyright situation. |
| 17:08.40 | JordiGH | But still, I want to know who these students are or claim to be. |
| 17:08.51 | gevaerts | nods |
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| 17:09.00 | gevaerts | I'd want to know that as well |
| 17:12.20 | sumanah | gevaerts: I'd prefer not to require wallet names for commits |
| 17:12.47 | sumanah | for a variety of reasons |
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| 17:13.21 | gevaerts | sumanah: I'm not saying the names *have* to appear in the commit log. Depending on organisation preference, a record somewhere (even private) can be more than enough |
| 17:13.40 | gevaerts | Or a rationale for not having it |
| 17:13.55 | gevaerts | Of course an organisation can also decide not to ask for real names at all |
| 17:14.13 | sumanah | Right |
| 17:14.23 | sumanah | We don't require them, for instance (Wikimedia) |
| 17:14.55 | gevaerts | But I don't think asking for real names is unreasonable, especially if you're prepared to accept exceptions for people who have a good reason |
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| 17:15.26 | sumanah | http://mynameisme.org/ I think that you will sometimes drive away people who don't want to deal with someone else's gatekeeping |
| 17:15.33 | sumanah | transfolk, for instance |
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| 17:17.54 | sumanah | (sorry, I do not mean *you* you; I mean orgs that say "give us your wallet name or give us a reason why you won't give your wallet name and we will judge whether that reason is good enough") |
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| 17:44.55 | chro | there were some guys from the org I applied, commenting on my proposal, saying that it looked good. Should I thank them in the comments as well? |
| 17:45.17 | |Kev| | To whom you say thank-you is, I suspect, entirely up to you. |
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| 17:46.37 | swook | I personally think you can never thank too much |
| 17:46.43 | swook | unless your thanks are insincere |
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| 17:47.07 | chro | ok |
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| 18:33.55 | Nightrose | carols: thank you! :) |
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| 18:37.09 | carols | yw Nightrose :-) |
| 18:37.19 | carols | Nightrose: really, it's chris to thank :-) |
| 18:37.34 | Nightrose | carols: hehe fair enough |
| 18:37.35 | carols | or not thank, as the case may be |
| 18:37.41 | Nightrose | hah |
| 18:38.49 | sonney2k | !numapps |
| 18:38.49 | gsocbot | sonney2k: "numapps" is In 2013, 177 of 417 mentoring orgs were accepted. In 2012, 180 of 406 mentoring orgs were accepted; 4258 students submitted 6685 proposals, of which 1212 were accepted. In 2011, 175 of 417 orgs were accepted; 3731 students submitted 5474 proposals, and 1116 were accepted. In 2010, 151 of 367 orgs were accepted; 3464 students submitted 5539 proposals, and 1026 were accepted. |
| 18:39.12 | sonney2k | carols, do you already have updated stats? |
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| 18:39.21 | carols | sonney2k: nope |
| 18:39.30 | carols | should be in a blog post when we announce accepted students |
| 18:39.48 | sonney2k | ok so 3 more weeks |
| 18:39.52 | carols | yep |
| 18:40.02 | carols | is there something specific you're looking for? |
| 18:40.46 | laurion | !logs |
| 18:40.46 | gsocbot | laurion: "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc/ |
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| 19:02.30 | kushalkhandelwal | !next |
| 19:02.31 | gsocbot | kushalkhandelwal: "next" is May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
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| 19:04.33 | manugupt1_ | carols: hey thanks a lot.. question if an org wants to apply for waiting list, should we state a reason why we want so (does it change anything) |
| 19:04.45 | carols | manugupt1_: no, no need for a reason |
| 19:05.16 | manugupt1_ | carols: also is it on a first come first basis or is there anything else |
| 19:05.38 | carols | manugupt1_: it's a first come first serve basis unless the org giving back the slots specifies what org for it to go to |
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| 19:06.18 | manugupt1_ | carols: thanks a lot.. |
| 19:06.20 | kushalkhandelwal | carols: Slots released to org ? |
| 19:06.21 | carols | yw |
| 19:06.26 | carols | kushalkhandelwal: yes |
| 19:06.42 | kushalkhandelwal | carols: Thanks |
| 19:06.45 | carols | yw |
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| 19:17.22 | sdumitriu1 | !next |
| 19:17.23 | gsocbot | sdumitriu1: "next" is May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
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| 19:19.51 | manugupt1_ | carols: can I ask one more question if you dont mind |
| 19:19.56 | carols | sure |
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| 19:20.46 | manugupt1_ | carols: What are the things do you take in account while allocating slots, probably we could improve next year |
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| 19:21.12 | carols | manugupt1_: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/studentallocations |
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| 19:22.04 | manugupt1_ | carols: pm ? |
| 19:22.07 | carols | sure. |
| 19:23.08 | qgil | hi, I'm org admin for Wikimedia. Just checking: when accepting a proposal, can the student see that s/he has been accepted? Or is this only visible to mentors? |
| 19:23.17 | carols | qgil: it |
| 19:23.20 | carols | only visible to mentors |
| 19:23.25 | carols | sorry, hit return too fast |
| 19:23.39 | qgil | hi carols ! ok, this is what I suspected but wanted to be sure |
| 19:23.51 | carols | students won't know anything unless you tell them |
| 19:23.53 | carols | so don't tell them |
| 19:24.11 | qgil | I sent huge warnings to all mentors to avoid leakages :) |
| 19:24.18 | carols | thanks |
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| 19:24.40 | gevaerts | now knows why wikileaks won't ever be accepted as a mentoring organisation :) |
| 19:24.52 | qgil | Thank you for all your good work. And for the trust. Now, me goes back to melange. :) |
| 19:25.02 | paultag | gevaerts: the us gov't? |
| 19:25.20 | gevaerts | paultag: not being allowed to leak acceptance info tostudents |
| 19:25.33 | paultag | oh. heh. |
| 19:25.35 | paultag | I get it. |
| 19:26.21 | techkid6 | Ah meh, missed the deadline, welp, always next year xD |
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| 19:27.04 | p_l|omoikane | heh, hopefully GSoC'14 starts before my time as student ends :D |
| 19:27.19 | derdon | p_l|omoikane: that's all up to you |
| 19:27.32 | p_l|omoikane | derdon: not exactly |
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| 19:28.05 | p_l|omoikane | unless I purposefully fail an exam to do a retake in august, which would be stupid and counter-productive |
| 19:28.23 | derdon | you may always change the subject you're studying or the uni you go to |
| 19:28.38 | d33tah | carols: is there a way to find out how many slots does an organization have? |
| 19:28.38 | derdon | as long as you have the money (or someone else has for you) |
| 19:28.46 | p_l|omoikane | derdon: ... in last year of Master's degree? And without funding? Ha Ha |
| 19:28.52 | carols | d33tah: yes, you ask them. and then they decide if they want to tell you or not. |
| 19:28.59 | d33tah | okay. |
| 19:29.02 | swook | p_l|omoikane: a PhD? |
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| 19:29.17 | derdon | p_l|omoikane: yeah, my phrase was more "in theory, ..." |
| 19:29.21 | p_l|omoikane | swook: not so easy, and boxes me in |
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| 19:29.44 | p_l|omoikane | swook: requires in my case to either start printing money, or get a grant |
| 19:30.03 | p_l|omoikane | and I am not sure I fit in right for a PhD right now :P |
| 19:30.10 | swook | some countries and institutes have deeper pockets |
| 19:30.15 | swook | than others |
| 19:30.25 | techkid6 | Oh, also, I gotta be 18, welp, in four years, I will be ready! :D |
| 19:31.25 | Arthur_D | hi, just a quick question: are we allowed to spill the beans on slot numbers to our students already or should we wait until tomorrow? |
| 19:31.32 | p_l|omoikane | swook: maybe if I somehow decided that I want to have triple MSc and find a way to take a certain dual-MSc scholarship in Nordic countries :) |
| 19:31.59 | dhaun | techkid6: in that case, look out for a possible re-run of Google Code-in, http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012 |
| 19:32.01 | megha | p_l|omoikane: where are you from ? |
| 19:32.12 | p_l|omoikane | ponders if he would be able to write MSc^3 on his business cards then |
| 19:32.13 | carols | Arthur_D: you're welcome to tell the students if you've decided as an organization that you want to share that information. |
| 19:32.17 | swook | p_l|omoikane: well I've no idea about the situation but if one is intent on doing a PhD, it shouldn't be impossible. |
| 19:32.27 | p_l|omoikane | megha: Poland, stuidying in UK (Scotland to be specific) |
| 19:32.28 | swook | but this goes off-topic a little bit... |
| 19:32.32 | carols | Arthur_D: and no, there's no need to wait if you want to tell them now. |
| 19:32.45 | p_l|omoikane | swook: well, yeah, but it goes into range of "do you really want to do a PhD" :) |
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| 19:33.16 | swook | p_l|omoikane: fair enough :) I'm undecided myself so do understand. |
| 19:33.25 | p_l|omoikane | as well as "might be easier to actually advance your field like your PhD thesis is supposed to do by working in industry" |
| 19:33.47 | megha | p_l|omoikane: :) |
| 19:34.26 | p_l|omoikane | actually, my current employer would probably work better than uni in trying to have a sensible, useful PhD |
| 19:34.53 | p_l|omoikane | (MSc at my uni required industrial placement) |
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| 19:36.05 | techkid6 | dhaun: thanks :) |
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| 19:52.31 | qgil | I'm trying to assign two mentors to one proposals but I must be doing something wrong since I can't get more than one there. Both are available as wish-to-mentor already. |
| 19:52.55 | sdumitriu1 | qgil: You can't do that |
| 19:53.09 | edsiper | qgil, i think one of them should be the official, it does not matter if you use a second one |
| 19:53.11 | sdumitriu1 | You can track backup mentors outside of Melange |
| 19:53.29 | qgil | ah ok |
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| 19:54.45 | qgil | We are following quite strictly the advice of "A good rule of thumb when finding and assigning mentors is to have two mentors per student." https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors |
| 19:54.57 | qgil | I hope we don't gt any co-mentor upset now :) |
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| 19:58.09 | sumanah | qgil: in my opinion it's best anyway to have a primary & a secondary mentor |
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| 19:58.15 | sumanah | avoiding Tragedy Of The Commons stuff |
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| 19:58.43 | qgil | sumanah, yes, and ideally Melange would reflect just that |
| 19:58.48 | sumanah | make it clear who's primarily responsible, and that way avoid "oh I thought you were gonna do it" (unfortunately qgil when you have multiple mentors....) |
| 19:58.52 | sumanah | qgil: agreed! |
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| 19:59.18 | qgil | anyway, no biggie :) |
| 20:01.28 | rajatkapoor | !next |
| 20:01.30 | gsocbot | rajatkapoor: "next" is May 8th: Slot allocations published to mentoring organizations |
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| 20:19.55 | JordiGH | Nice, we got precisely the slots we asked for. |
| 20:20.23 | sumanah | congrats JordiGH |
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| 20:22.17 | rihnapstor | JordiGH: which org ? |
| 20:22.29 | JordiGH | GNU. |
| 20:22.34 | JordiGH | 32 slots. |
| 20:22.42 | rihnapstor | ok cool |
| 20:22.49 | paultag | Debian got a very generous allocation as well |
| 20:22.51 | rihnapstor | what 32 slots ? |
| 20:22.52 | paultag | we're all very quite happy |
| 20:22.54 | rihnapstor | :D |
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| 20:24.02 | edsiper | we got what we requested too :) |
| 20:24.42 | thiago | so did KDE |
| 20:24.52 | rihnapstor | how much slots can a new org get ? |
| 20:25.07 | rihnapstor | 4 ? 5 ? |
| 20:25.23 | sdumitriu1 | rihnapstor: The documentation says 1-2 slots for new orgs |
| 20:25.47 | rihnapstor | on what condition |
| 20:25.50 | rihnapstor | ? |
| 20:25.58 | sdumitriu1 | WDYM condition? |
| 20:26.15 | rihnapstor | sdumitriu1: what you mean |
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| 20:26.58 | sumanah | "wdym" means "what do you mean" |
| 20:27.01 | sdumitriu1 | Yes |
| 20:27.17 | rihnapstor | ok thanks people |
| 20:27.39 | sdumitriu1 | rihnapstor: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/studentallocations |
| 20:28.11 | rihnapstor | on what condition they will get more slots or greater than 2? |
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| 20:28.38 | sdumitriu1 | Well, that I don't know |
| 20:28.45 | sdumitriu1 | How many did you get? |
| 20:28.58 | swook | it mentions popularity so I'd imagine that's a contributing factor |
| 20:29.19 | thiago | probably on your second year |
| 20:29.36 | thiago | or if you're already an established Open Source project that Carol and the googlers recognise |
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| 20:30.09 | sumanah | There are a lot of factors, and you aren't going to be able to come up with a formula. :) |
| 20:30.22 | sumanah | rihnapstor: are you asking out of curiosity? |
| 20:30.33 | sumanah | Do you have a more specific question you really want to ask? :-) |
| 20:30.35 | rihnapstor | no |
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| 20:56.15 | kushalk124 | ++ |
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| 21:04.31 | pdjota | hello, I just realized I apply to the wrong organization is it possible to change it after submission time? |
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| 21:05.21 | carols | pdjota: please speak to the melange developers. |
| 21:05.39 | pdjota | thanks @carols I will try to contact them |
| 21:05.42 | edsiper | pdjota, you should ask in the mailing list NOW() |
| 21:05.43 | carols | great |
| 21:05.49 | meflin | carols *wave* |
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| 21:05.56 | pdjota | which mailing list? |
| 21:05.57 | carols | hi meflin |
| 21:06.05 | meflin | I got everything I asked for .. unusual complain ... meh more work ;) |
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| 21:06.20 | edsiper | pdjota, follow carols suggestion |
| 21:07.05 | meflin | I belive there is #melange |
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| 21:10.54 | lordkryss | it's too late for a student to sign up of GSoC right? :( |
| 21:11.01 | sdumitriu1 | lordkryss: Yes |
| 21:11.04 | sdumitriu1 | Much too late |
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| 21:11.08 | kushalkhandelwal | Very late |
| 21:11.11 | sumanah | Too late for 2013, lordkryss |
| 21:11.15 | sdumitriu1 | But there's always time to volunteer |
| 21:11.26 | sumanah | And check out http://openhatch.org/ for other ways to get in, lordkryss |
| 21:11.31 | sumanah | (to open source) |
| 21:12.33 | lordkryss | thanks for the link :) |
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| 21:13.35 | sumanah | Glad to help, lordkryss! If you start contributing to open source as a volunteer now, you're far more likely to discover a project you like, and be very well-placed to apply to jobs or GSoC in the future |
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| 21:14.05 | meflin | plays with the lego's |
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| 21:14.30 | lordkryss | the fact is that i already use some open source projects (haxe, nodejs-express) but i don't think i'm good enough to contribute right now |
| 21:14.44 | sdumitriu1 | You can always contribute |
| 21:14.55 | sumanah | lordkryss: yeah! don't reject yourself |
| 21:15.10 | sdumitriu1 | Not with serious code, true, you need a lot of experience to add major new features to a mature software project |
| 21:15.14 | meflin | you do not need to be a programer to contribute |
| 21:15.18 | sdumitriu1 | But you can always help in many other ways |
| 21:15.21 | sumanah | The code review of experts stops you from making a commit that will harm the project |
| 21:15.39 | sumanah | Detailed bug reports, especially ones from Windows users, are really useful |
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| 21:16.05 | meflin | dont forget doc's and some projects have other things they need ( especially games ) |
| 21:16.14 | sumanah | I got started as a tester |
| 21:16.31 | lordkryss | i'll try :) do you guys know of any project like GSoC? i would like to contribute, but i'd also like to get a little bit of money to go to uni :P |
| 21:16.34 | sdumitriu1 | For example, http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/Community/Contributing lists a few ways of contributing that aren't code |
| 21:17.07 | sdumitriu1 | (the example is for XWiki, but they apply to any project in general) |
| 21:17.13 | sumanah | lordkryss: can you talk about where you are? some things are local to specific places |
| 21:17.19 | sumanah | also, are you 18 or over? |
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| 21:17.41 | sumanah | (I presume you are because you have to be 18 or over to do GSoC but I just want to check) |
| 21:18.12 | lordkryss | yes i'm over |
| 21:18.35 | lordkryss | and i'm from italy |
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| 21:20.04 | olly | there's socis, if they run it again this year: http://sophia.estec.esa.int/socis2012/ |
| 21:20.11 | sumanah | lordkryss: you ought to see whether there are any opportunities among CS professors at your university/college |
| 21:20.14 | olly | (i've no idea if they plan to) |
| 21:20.20 | sumanah | for paid research/development students |
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| 21:21.37 | sumanah | Check out http://www.fossjobs.net/jobs/ -- you might be eligible for http://www.fossjobs.net/job/68/privacy-and-expression-intern-at-tactical-tech/ if you can go to Berlin |
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| 21:22.23 | sumanah | lordkryss: lordkryss|2 Check out http://www.fossjobs.net/jobs/ -- you might be eligible for http://www.fossjobs.net/job/68/privacy-and-expression-intern-at-tactical-tech/ if you can go to Berlin .... or http://www.fossjobs.net/job/73/website-backend-developer-at-greatfireorg/ is anywhere |
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| 21:23.46 | lordkryss|2 | sumanah: olly thanks :) |
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| 21:41.13 | roonyH | !next |
| 21:41.14 | gsocbot | roonyH: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 21:42.13 | sumanah | hi roonyH how are you? |
| 21:42.26 | roonyH | hi sumanah |
| 21:42.35 | roonyH | I am fine. how are you? |
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| 21:44.39 | sumanah | I'm not bad |
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| 21:46.50 | roonyH | sumanah: So did Wikimedia got the desired no of slots? |
| 21:47.11 | sumanah | Yes |
| 21:47.39 | roonyH | thats great |
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| 21:54.28 | carols | serves some more tea and coffee |
| 21:55.04 | hiker | Thanks Carols - and also for the early slot allocaation! |
| 21:55.10 | hiker | enjoys the tea |
| 21:55.11 | carols | hiker: you're welcome |
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| 21:57.32 | GorillaWarfare | :) |
| 21:57.45 | GorillaWarfare | carols: Not sure if this has already been asked; I just joined |
| 21:57.51 | GorillaWarfare | Can you say how many total slots were allocated? |
| 21:57.51 | carols | GorillaWarfare: ok.. |
| 21:57.59 | carols | for each org? |
| 21:58.04 | GorillaWarfare | Just overall |
| 21:58.07 | carols | nope |
| 21:58.15 | GorillaWarfare | Hah, okay |
| 21:58.19 | GorillaWarfare | Just curious |
| 21:58.20 | carols | :-) |
| 21:58.23 | carols | indeed. |
| 21:58.29 | carols | you'll know how many were allocated on may 27. |
| 21:58.49 | meflin | a slot doesn't exist until its filled |
| 21:58.49 | gevaerts | GorillaWarfare: you can either try extrapolating from previous years, or ask every organisation and hope they all tell you :) |
| 21:59.50 | GorillaWarfare | Haha, not a problem |
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| 22:03.33 | sumanah | GorillaWarfare: have you ever seen http://codingbat.com/ ? |
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| 22:04.12 | GorillaWarfare | I haven't! |
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| 22:05.15 | sumanah | It's pretty neat. |
| 22:05.39 | sumanah | I think the CodingBat exercises and the OpenHatch missions would be nice things for nervous applicants to do while they wait for acceptance/rejection results :-) |
| 22:06.56 | sumanah | later.... |
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| 22:09.17 | sinhayash|Zzz | slots for smc? |
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| 22:09.41 | carols | sinhayash|Zzz: are you asking how many slots a particular org got? |
| 22:09.52 | sinhayash | yes may I? |
| 22:10.02 | carols | sinhayash: you're welcome to ask them, yes. |
| 22:10.11 | carols | but it's their choice if they tell you or not. |
| 22:10.26 | sinhayash | carols: thanks |
| 22:10.28 | carols | yw |
| 22:11.41 | sinhayash | Good Night people, it is late night here in India. |
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| 22:14.38 | roonyH | :) 3.44 is early morning than late night |
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| 22:17.04 | MatthewWilkes | Ah, the slots are published? Awesome! |
| 22:17.32 | gh_ | !next |
| 22:17.33 | gsocbot | gh_: "next" is May 24th: All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor |
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| 22:18.17 | agliodbs | has the procedure for giving up a slot changed this year? |
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| 22:27.14 | zamN | Hi, on the gsoc calendar it says "First round of de-duplication checks happens; organizations work together to try to resolve as many duplicates as possible." What does that mean exactly? |
| 22:27.28 | zamN | Does that mean an org that has more than 1 person for a project? |
| 22:27.46 | carols | zamN: are you asking from a student or a mentor perspective? |
| 22:27.49 | zamN | student |
| 22:27.53 | gevaerts | zamN: the reverse |
| 22:27.56 | zamN | I know it doesnt concern me, I"m just curious |
| 22:28.02 | carols | zamN: it means the student has been accepted by more than one org. |
| 22:28.07 | zamN | Ah. |
| 22:28.13 | zamN | Luckily I only applied to one :) |
| 22:28.16 | carols | great |
| 22:29.55 | agliodbs | carols: I thought you were on vacation? |
| 22:30.05 | carols | agliodbs: as per my email, it starts on 10 may. |
| 22:30.16 | vshivam | I suppose there's no chance of getting to know if I got into an org before hand ? |
| 22:30.28 | agliodbs | oh, ok! |
| 22:30.30 | meflin | vacation is relative anyway |
| 22:30.35 | gevaerts | carols: you didn't specify which base that 10 was in :) |
| 22:30.41 | meflin | vshivam: nope\ |
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| 22:31.59 | vshivam | I have another internship offer that I need to accept in case I dont get through gsoc. |
| 22:32.50 | vshivam | Kind of stuck here. |
| 22:33.00 | meflin | vshivam: you did tell your org that right? |
| 22:33.26 | vshivam | No, do I need to ? |
| 22:33.41 | vshivam | I mean I'll be working full time for Gsoc if I get through |
| 22:33.42 | meflin | should have yes |
| 22:33.43 | gevaerts | meflin: *offer* |
| 22:34.10 | meflin | clear communication is always key |
| 22:34.33 | gevaerts | If you don't plan to do both at the same time, and you don't plan to accept the other offer if you're in gsoc, I don't think there's any need to mention this |
| 22:34.46 | vshivam | ^^ Yes |
| 22:34.53 | vshivam | Exactly this. |
| 22:35.36 | vshivam | I'll go only if I dont get through. |
| 22:36.09 | dberkholz | carols: thanks for the slots, as always. i was frankly amazed at how high our ratio of awesome and good proposals was this year |
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| 22:36.26 | carols | dberkholz: you're welcome. glad to hear it |
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| 22:36.55 | dberkholz | i wonder if most people are starting to figure out that you need quality to get in |
| 22:37.32 | dberkholz | i mean, i read the first 10 apps and 8 were just ridiculously good, one was quite good, and only 1 was mediocre. |
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| 22:37.34 | meflin | dberkholz: I hope not ... I've always look at at quality first |
| 22:38.35 | dberkholz | carols: i would really like at some year if you could push the slot allocation much much later in the eval period though |
| 22:39.05 | carols | dberkholz: wait, you want us to allocate slots after orgs have decided who to accept? |
| 22:39.14 | ojwb | it does always seem a bit of a frantic rush to come up with a number |
| 22:39.16 | dberkholz | carols: i would like it to be more like may 20 than may 6 |
| 22:39.43 | carols | i'm surprised to hear that. everyone else seems to like it this way so they don't have unrealistic expectations of who they can accept. |
| 22:39.45 | dberkholz | carols: ojwb is mirroring my experiences ... coming up with the right number means we're just going like crazy between friday and yesterday |
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| 22:40.12 | ojwb | carols: i think it depends how accuracy you want from the orgs on your side |
| 22:40.27 | carols | dberkholz: that's interesting feedback. i guess i'll consider that for the future. i've heard a lot of people say just the opposite. |
| 22:41.00 | meflin | slots are tricky at least for us small orgs |
| 22:41.06 | dberkholz | carols: it effectively means we need to have a very good idea of who we're going to accept and reject by day 3 of the 20-whatever day eval period |
| 22:41.38 | carols | dberkholz: i guess it depends on how you define "very good." that's why there's two numbers…it's a range, not an exact number one way or the other |
| 22:42.21 | meflin | in my experience it take TIME to get a handle on who is good enough or not |
| 22:42.46 | ojwb | though friday wasn't the first you've heard from most of them |
| 22:42.55 | carols | ok, fair enough. i'll have to weigh this feedback against all the feedback i've gotten on the other side of the fence :-) |
| 22:43.01 | ojwb | and if it was, they aren't going to be in the "amazing" pile |
| 22:43.13 | carols | maybe i'll just split the difference and put it smack in the middle. |
| 22:43.16 | carols | make everyone unhappy |
| 22:43.19 | meflin | ojwb: I disagree |
| 22:43.41 | dberkholz | ojwb: likely not the first we've heard from them, but maybe the first time we've seen the proposal |
| 22:43.49 | meflin | weekend irc interviews have work well for me in the past and changed my mind on the app itself |
| 22:45.35 | ojwb | carols: yeah, wherever it happens, someone would rather it happened earlier or later |
| 22:45.45 | carols | yep. same with the timeline this year. |
| 22:45.56 | carols | apparently i made a lot of people angry delivering what other people wanted this year. |
| 22:46.18 | meflin | carols: you live in place where 1/2 of everyone is angry |
| 22:46.25 | carols | yep. |
| 22:46.26 | meflin | passes tea |
| 22:46.31 | carols | thanks meflin |
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| 22:47.00 | dberkholz | carols: i mean, basically there's enough time for me to personally pick ones that i think are automatically in, in with refinement, and out. but not enough time for the rest of our community to get involved. and i would really like more of an opportunity to get their input first |
| 22:47.03 | gevaerts | You shouldn't have called it the Google Summer of Complaining if you didn't want people to complain ;) |
| 22:47.28 | meflin | slot selection does seem short |
| 22:47.28 | carols | gevaerts: a very good point. |
| 22:47.46 | carols | dberkholz: i'll take it under advisement. |
| 22:48.15 | gevaerts | Doesn't easy slot trading make up for having to come up with numbers early? |
| 22:48.15 | dberkholz | carols: i probably have enough of an ego and power trip as-is, i need some help deflating it |
| 22:48.25 | meflin | I was not able to get a decent amount of mentor feedback and just winged it |
| 22:48.38 | carols | dberkholz: well, i made the application review period longer this year, partly based on your feedback. |
| 22:48.46 | carols | so i don't know if you get any more "wins" out of me. |
| 22:48.57 | dberkholz | lol |
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